Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 393 - Dolph Lundgren

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

Today we are joined by the Legend Dolph Lundgren, an amazing actor and someone we all have looked up to since his early roles in the Rocky Films. We start off the pod talking about his time at MIT as a Chemical Engineer and start drafting Best Elements. We pivot to old hollywood stories and how Dolph started in the industry. We talk Sparring in Rocky films with Sylvester Stallone and end the ep with a toast of Dolph's new Vodka - Hard Cut. #chadandjt #goingdeepwithchadandjt  Dolph's New Vodka Here: https://www.hardcutvodka.com/ We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! San Di is the next stop!Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Here is the Total Draft Standings: (s/o HandA on reddit)Chad: 11 wins JT: 13 wins Strider: 13 wins Chris Parr: 10 winsBrad Fuller: 1 win (The Ultimate Champ)Joe Marrese: 1 winKevin Fard: 0 wins  Thanks to our Sponsors:Brotege: The Best Skincare products for bros. Visit https://www.brotege.com and use code deep at checkout!BILT REWARDS: Pay your rent with BILT and start earning points towards travel, fitness, restaurants and more! Go to https://www.joinbilt.com/godeep to get started today!  PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

What's up guys welcome to the podcast we got a banger of an episode today with the Dolph Lundgren Pretty sick it's epic stoked on it also we're brought to you by the legends at Brodage and we want to welcome this new epic sponsor I love Brodage it's gotten me in the loge game which I never thought I'd say but Brodage has done it Brodj is the new skincare company for bros, not pros, and they're the newest sponsor of our show. Go to brodej.com slash deep right now for a special offer. Also, we got some shows coming up. I got, we got Bros Before Joes at the Comedy Store, the Belly Room, this Friday, the whole crew,

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that's gonna be a banger, that's gonna have tons of headliners at 8 p.m. on July 1st. And then September we're gonna be in Florida, the 23rd Tampa, 24th Orlando, 25th Danny Beach. Get your tickets at ChadJT.com. Let's start the show. I've heard you can't put on muscle on a day where you drink. I never thought of that, but I wish I knew 40 years ago because I used to work out and drink a lot.

But you're yoked. Well, you know, I drink about once or twice a week, maybe. That's perfect. You're supposed to enjoy it when you drink, you know, and so you got to sort of compartmentalize a little bit. What's the go-to beverage in Sweden? Alcohol-wise, I would say Akvavit, which is kind of a distilled liquor, which there were some just clean versions of it,

and then they put a lot of, they put different herbs in it. So it's like an herbal kind of distilled liquor, around 80 proof. That's strong. They'd drink beer Well, they'd do it pretty much anything to get their hands on because it's you know, it gets dark at 2 p.m. In the winter and Light you're on 10. So you have to like get the daylight hours when you can and when it's gone, then you end up You know hanging in the bar. That's a You drink have you ever drank and worked out at the same time?

Drank and worked out. Well, it depends what you define as a workout. I mean, let's say like- Was that a double entendre? Yeah, it was, it was. Bro, that's what it's all about. I've done plenty of that, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome, dude.

That's what we're all about. Not the gym workout. Did it ever hurt your wiener? What? Like being drunk that your guy wasn't able to get the blood it needed? No, I never had that problem. That's what I'm talking about, dude.

That's what I'm talking about. That's awesome. That's awesome, dude. What's up? Just gotta keep forging on, man. No matter how much luck you have had. I feel like you've got such a strong mental fortitude that those kinds of things like ED don't affect you ever.

Well, it does affect me, but it affects everybody. It's just a matter of how much you let it affect you. I mean, if you can come back from something, it is not how hard you not a hard you get in hard you get hit. Just you know how quickly you get up. You know it's like everybody gets hit. Rocky six. Rocky whatever. Yeah. Rocky 14. Yeah. Everybody gets hit hard. I mean but would you come back from it or do you you sulk or do you come back and you know. Keep moving. Yeah keep moving. That's what helps me. I'll have my wife just rush at me and lay me out on the bed. Just, you know, spear me like Goldberg

if I'm ever struggling and that gets me going right away. I've seen it. Sounds good, man. Yeah. So the sun goes away at two o'clock. Did that ever bum you out? We're big on tanning. Well, there's a reason I lived here for 35 years in Spain.

I mean, Sweden, you know, is my home country, but I started getting out of there when I was about 18. I came to America when I was 18, studied chemistry, Washington State, and then I went back to Sweden. You know, I couldn't afford to travel without scholarships, so I got scholarships through academia,

through being good at science and engineering. And so when you were at school and you're like a big strapping dude, but you're also ripping in your intellectual pursuits, did that draw a lot of attention from people? I think it confused some people, yeah, that I would go to the engineering school carrying a

large bag with karate uniform and gloves and stuff like that. And so that was a bit unusual. And the fact that when I showed up at the karate dojo, I was always carrying a workout bag and a briefcase with engineering papers. There weren't too many people doing both. That was a bit unusual. It's awesome. That's so sick. Did you always have an interest in engineering and all that kind of stuff, or was it kind of

your family expected you to study that? It was a bit of both. I think my dad was an engineer and my older brother's an engineer and my other brother's an engineer. So it was kind of in my blood from being a kid and I would sit there with my older brother, and my dad would go through integral calculus or something.

And I didn't really understand what they were talking about, but I would copy it, and then I sort of had a bit of an edge on the other students later when I started studying, because I was familiar with math and physics on a different level. And I was pretty good at it, you know, logical thinking. And also I realized later it was a way for me to leave Sweden to get out of there

and you know, get to go to Australia, get to go to America and you know, using my engineering skills or my study skills rather. Well, we're gonna put you to the test today. We're gonna see how much of this you remember. Yeah, we do drafts Drafting the best elements on the periodic table people have been asking for it. They want it What are the best elements? How do you rank them? Is it on atomic weight? I don't know We're gonna find out today. Okay, so to start it off

We throw out an odds or an evens. You throw out a one or a two to figure out what our drafting order is. Oh. You ready? Oh yeah, okay, you want me to pick? No, you're gonna throw out a one or a two on three. With your hand, one or two. So you hide it and then you're ready.

Yep. Okay. One, two, three, shoot. Oh, good. Oh, you're last, dude. All right, one, two, three, shoot. Okay, okay, okay, okay. One, two, three, shoot. Okay, okay, okay, okay. One, two, three, shoot. Oh!

Okay, now paper rock scissors. Wow. Have you played paper rock scissors before? I thought. Look at the size of that fist. It's awesome. But the one, I didn't understand. I thought you did.

So now you're in pole position to get. Yeah, you're in pole position to get the first pick. We've now switched games because you can't play odds or evens with only two. So you guys are gonna rock, paper, scissors at one another and whoever wins. Paper, scissors, rock, right? Yeah, and whoever wins this match has the number one pick

and gets the top element according to their judgment. Okay. You ready? Okay, so in Swedish style, do you say paper, scissors, rock then shoot? Very respectful. Very respectful. Okay, we'll do it Swedish style in your honor and then we'll shoot

On shoot throw out whichever. Yeah. Yeah. So all right here. We go. Okay paper scissors rock shoot Dude, of course Dolph goes rock Of course he goes wrong So I have a choice you have the top pick whatever you want Best element in the world or universe. Best element in the world. Well, there's a plan to my sort of picking because I had 10 minutes to think about it. So I would pick carbon. That's what I would have taken.

Oh, nice. The bedrock of all biological molecules. And also a significant building block of alcohol. Oh, wow. What up? Hey, see you. That's good to alcohol. Oh, wow. What up? Hey, see you. That's good to know. There we go.

Yeah. The party element. Carbon, yeah. It's such a special element because it has in its outer proton layer, like four protons for bonding, right? Which makes it very, that's why it's the building block. Other elements can- Hyper reactive.

Yep. Other elements can have, I think when they bond, elements are having- making love with each other. They're boning. Yes. And they- so carbon would- what does it mostly bond with, carbon? Carbon? Pretty much-

Oxygen. Okay. Oxygen a lot, like CO2 and alcohol, there's oxygen. Carbon is a pretty inert element as well isn't it? I mean I have not reactive. I blew that. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. Yeah, I haven't read up on it lately but it is inert in some ways in its natural form but you know it does bond with, But it does bond with forms quartz and it forms a lot of the different materials and rocks and the core of the earth, right? Yeah, it's super abundant in the crust, right?

That's the number one element if you start rocking and heaving into what we're standing on. Yeah. I'll only be using Kelvin for the remainder of this podcast. I'd like that to be stated. I'll be using fresh Kelvin. But yeah, so it is electrons per shell, two and four. So it's just element six.

Yeah. It's good stuff. Sixth element. How does it become a diamond? Is it just pressure and time? I think it's pressure and time, yeah. That compresses it really far into Earth, right? And then it's sort of different you know earthquakes and

movements brings it up to the surface so like areas like South Africa and I made a film in South Africa and Namibia it's actually used to be used to lean laying around like right on right on top of the dirt really actually pick it up well that's where they found the biggest diamond in the world. I think it's about 2,000 carats or something. It's about that big. Some dude just found it. Some worked it.

Really? That's the one they cut into the royal British crown jewels. Oh, there it is. Beautiful. Put up an image. 1905, dude. All right, who's up strata? You're up with the number two pig dude. All right Since Dolph I want to say mr. Lundgren. I just want to

Ever Freaking legend it you took my pick. So that was a good pick smart for number two There's a lot on the board here guys a For number two, there's a lot on the board here guys. Lot of elements on here, I believe another 260 something. Is it that, I thought it was 118. That's a good call, I had no idea. I just pulled that number.

On the periodic table. That we know of. Yeah, how many are there? They're discovering more, Livimorium? They've added a bunch lately, all these artificial elements. They're like, they've been used in the lab. Yeah, those ones that have a super short half-life,

are we even giving those like anytime? I don't give them anything. And then some of them are purely synthetic. I'm going with my boy, Dmitri Meddileev's original discoveries, dude. Okay, and this element's definitely on Demetri's list. This is also an element that builds empires. It gets you jacked.

If you're deficient in this, you're gonna pass out. No! I'm talking iron, dude. Dude, good pick, bro. I'm pulling a game of Mothrake. Iron, dude. Wow. Okay, very grabby pick.

It's Earth's core metal, okay? That's the planet we live on, all right? So it's a naturally occurring element. It exists in its state. It's a pure element on its own. This is a heavy metal. It's unbelievably sick. It's stored.

Honestly, we were talking about earlier, if you're having a little limp hog, you have enough of this in your blood, that's gonna help you not have such a limp hog. You eat a steak. You eat a steak. Which is sick too. Yeah.

Dude, I think it's the number one medal. I think it's just a fire pick, bro. Thank you, dude. Core of the earth. Yep, exactly. And it's melting point is in Kelvin. I'd like to get stats on that. Thank you very, 118.11 Kelvin.

Yeah, that's very sick. Yeah, so it's not as quite as high as carbon. No. So they use it, you can shape it. You can melt it, you can shape into a sword, or you know, which is kind of interesting. Carbon is so high, it's hard to get there. I think carbon you could melt with a fire, but I think iron you can melt in a probably

in a regular fire with some kind of, if you add some oxygen, sorry, that's... That's on that. That's coming on. That's combustible, which you need. Having that malleability at a human scale is huge. Absolutely. I mean, this is a, speaking of melting and shaping, this is an element that shaped our world

that we live in today, you know? Me as a valet, I like to tell my dad, so I don't disappoint him, I say, I operate heavy metals, which is basically a vehicle. So I'll tell him that, even though it's just parking cars. So it makes me feel sick. And you lift heavy metals too. And I lift heavy metals.

That's true. Yeah, what do you, Dolph, what do you pump? You pump iron. Yeah, I do, but now I'm sort of, I'm trying to balance my workouts now because I'm an entrepreneur, I don't have much time, so I'm trying to balance it between cardio, flexibility, some strength, and some martial arts.

I love that. And that's kind of, like before, and some martial arts. I love that. That's kinda, like before when I first, when I was younger I had it naturally, you know, but I didn't really have to think of it, plan it, but today I have to kinda work it out, so when I travel I can, you know, I'll do some cardio, like today I do some biking, and then I'll probably do some martial arts

with some dude, you know, on Wednesday, do a little hit the pads. What kind of martial arts are you doing? Karate, Japanese karate. What, Shotokan? It's Kyokushin karate. Shotokan is the biggest, Japanese style. Then there's Waduru, Shitoruru, and Gojuru,

and then Kyokushin. So you're kicking a lot. Yeah, some, knees mostly. I kick a little bit, front kicks. I don't throw the high kicks anymore because I had some hip injuries. Sure. Too much of that, too many millions of these 15 kicks.

Some more teeps and stuff. Just kind of some. Here's like the hard front kicks, some knee kicks, punches, you know, elbows. Hell yeah, dude. I'm thinking about getting into karate. Jiu-jitsu's big, but I wanna do like- Jiu-Jitsu's good too.

But I don't wanna tumble around. I'd like to do like- Stand up fighter all day. I'm a stand up guy. Yeah, yeah. We're tall guys. Yeah, they say all fights go to the ground, but not all fights I've seen go to the ground.

A lot of times, one guy ends up on the ground because he gets hit. That's what I'm saying. I think also, if you're in a bar and you end up choking him, his buddies can like kick you in the head or something. So many variables. I think standing up would be better.

Yeah, if you're kicking a guy's away from you. And also I do think for being in shape, I don't do it really to get in a fight. Yeah, I want to just- You don't get to get out of fights. Right, yeah, me neither. Yeah. I like it.

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Oh nice. Yeah, K-1, the guys were formed K-1 with Kyokushin fighters. So there's like a karate style where there's kind of a stand up a little more, show up to kind of this little lower. Where Kyokushin is a bit stand up, his hands are higher and you know a little more like Thai boxing. What's the best to get into for a novice? If I was interested in going to like a studio in LA, I think kickboxing is pretty good. Something like kickboxing because then you get to, you don't have to learn all the katas and all the all the traditional stuff. You can just get into hitting the pads, kicking, you know, you know, it's very all-around pretty good workout, I'd say. Okay. And also it gives you, sorry, it's good for your mental state too.

Any combat sport, if you're a man, in our society, you don't really get an outlet for that because you have special guys who do it, but back in the day everybody had to know how to fight, how to carry a gun and all of that. What's the kind of ask? So when you're working out, are you sparring with someone else or are you just hitting the pads? Mostly hit pads, a little sparring, but mostly like just a strengthening.

You kind of go to the body, you spar to the body so you get some body shots to kind of stay tough. Sometimes I do back and forth movements with different techniques, but I don't really spar too much because I'm a little, I don't want to get injured. Did you and Sly ever spar? Not really full on. I mean we did choreography. Getting it down for the movie. Yeah, and then you kind of end up freestyling it sometimes. Like if one guy is in the corner, the other one will kind of freestyle

and you get hit a little bit. A lot of trust there that you're not gonna open up on each other. He was my boss, so you know. I mean, he was getting through a divorce at the time. He'd come from divorce court in a suit to go and get changed and then I would be like, oh, fuck, here we go.

And then he'd be like, if I didn't get, I have to get really close for it to look good on camera, but if I touched him, he'd be like, you know, fire your ass. But then if he was too far away, they needed to get upset too. So it was like, you know, this 27 year old Swedish kid.

Small degree of margin. I'm hungry. And I got used to it. So I'm pretty good at stage fighting after that experience. Six months of that, twice a day. Yeah. Wow. How nervous were you for your first day on set?

I was a bit nervous. I did a lot of rehearsing. I really knew the character down. I had it pretty much down, but I was nervous. Yeah. You know, I realized the pressure and I'd done a Bond movie. I had a little small-

A Time to Kill, right? Yeah, a year to kill. And so I went to the premiere of that. And it was a big deal. You know, there was Duran Duran was this band and Roger Moore. So it was a big deal, but you know, like Sly told me, you know,

the Rocky thing is much bigger. Just wait till it's our opening. And he was right. You know, it was like the rocky thing is much bigger. Just wait till this bar opening. And he was right, you know, it was like, the rocky thing was just 10 times bigger. And did I read you got discovered dancing at a club? Not really, not as an actor. I was in a club and with my girlfriend at the time, who was a singer in New York, Grace Jones,

she was like a, kind of like a nightclub singer. And some little guy came up to me and took a picture and said, you know, in an estimate with a small camera said, oh, hey, what are you famous for? And I'm like, nothing, as far as I know. And he's like, oh, I put you in my magazine. And it was Andy Warhol. It was a famous Warhol.

And he had an interview magazine. And you know, he kind of liked me, you know, little extra I think. And got a few photo shoots going. And then, you know, I decided to try some acting and I'd done some acting in junior high. And then I liked it. And pretty soon I was up for various movies.

One was a boxing movie and it was the Rocky picture. Wow. Yeah, so it was kind of happened very quickly. If you're watching one of your own training montages, does it get you pumped up to work out? Yeah, I can. Plus it makes me realize what kind of shape I was in and how kind of indestructible I thought I was.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of was indestructible, but obviously the body takes a beating and it kind of shows up later. So now I'm being a bit more careful. Is there something you wish you would have done in those days like yoga or something to protect your body or?

Yeah, it would have been good. Maybe not go out party all night, go straight to the set in the morning. Would have been a good idea, but you know, you're 28 and you're a movie star and what the hell. Ready to mingle and hard to say no. Yeah. So you have one life. So what the hell? I know like if I party a lot, I can be a bit like erratic the next day. Yeah, I was erratic too, but You know not if it really if I had something important like on the rocket picture I wouldn't do it, but maybe a smaller movie where I didn't have sly looking over my shoulder. Maybe I would you know

And it probably impacted some of my performances to some degree all the physical stuff I could do in my sleep, so I never really had anything to do with it. But I think it wore me down a little bit. Probably had some injuries because I didn't get sleep. Not enough sleep for a while. Was Sly pretty intense on set? He was very intense back then when he was 37.

I was 27, he was 36 or something. He was intense. He was like, I think the biggest he was 36 or something. He was intense, he was like, I think the biggest movie star in the world at the time and he had full kind of carte blanche, could do anything he wanted and yeah, pretty intense. He would fire people right and left, like if somebody left up, they didn't get,

maybe got a second chance but that's it, you know? That's true for a lot of people at that level, right? When you hear of people like Steven Jobs, who I kind of admire for what he did, I've been watching a lot of his talks about how he started his company. But I heard people said he was not easy to deal with. He was not a nice guy, you know? Yeah, he said, we have the most beautiful disagreements at Apple. And what he meant is I yell at people.

Yeah, yeah. But I think for him, fighting wasn't a bad. You yell at people and fire them afterwards. Yeah, and it wasn't a bad thing for him to have that kind of conflict. He thought it generated more good ideas. I think so. I mean, I think success is important,

but I think what you leave behind as far as your reputation or your, you know, as a man, it's also important. I think you have to balance those two. Yeah. You know, you can also strive for success and people talk shit about you a hundred years after you're done, you know, that's not too good either. Was it different for you too when you went from like Rocky and you're like two on the

call sheet to being number one on the call sheet? Did you feel a difference in responsibility? Yeah, I did. Well I was not I was number seven I think in Rocky it was Sly and Tyler Schire and you know Carl Weathers and the rest of them. But I did go from like say six or seven to one and that was different. I felt a bit kind of lost and I didn't really I didn't have anybody to confide in. And Stallone was also a great director.

And my next picture after that, it was a fairly large budget picture, Masters of the Universe. And they're actually reshooting it now in London. It's coming out next year, rebooting it. Big budget, $200 million picture. But yeah, I felt I was a bit lost. I was kind of scared.

I didn't really know how to be the number one guy in the movie. I learned it over the years. Just because everyone's kind of looking to you to set the tempo. Yeah, it's true. I mean, I set the tempo as far as being fair and being a good guy. But there are other things, you know, that I probably should have been better at,

which is tended to set, you know, boundaries and to for people to have a sense of, to have a sense of focus to focus the whole company and the whole company and to maybe call some people on their bullshit. Well, I mean, this is crazy. I mean, the 80s in Hollywood is the most loco time in its history, right? Like, I mean, you have like Jerry Brockheimer and Don Siegel was that, his name, these huge producers who were just doing tons of blow

and they're green lighting the craziest action. And the creativity was awesome. Like the movies hold up great. Yeah, you're right. But you must've just been around so much chaotic energy. Yeah, well I think what happened was when Jaws came out in 1975, it was 76, and then you had Star Wars.

That meant that movies were made for people to see multiple times. People see Star Wars like ten times. Before that it wasn't like that. The audience were kind of older and a little more sophisticated and it became more of a kind of family business where you're supposed to make a couple hundred million dollars in box office. So it changed everything. I think you're right.

These kind of cowboys came up and took over the business. These kind of super producers, young guys doing a lot of blow, kind of leveraging all their assets. But it worked for a lot of them and it was a different time because there was no real accountability. I mean, there was no Me Too movement, anything like that. There were no mobile phones. Basically people were taking advantage of each other quite a bit.

I was part of that. Some bad shit happened to me too, like being used and not really getting the proper advice and stealing money from you and shit. I went through all of that, but nothing really damaging, but still pretty harsh on a kid who came over a couple of years earlier from Sweden and as a chemical engineer, it wasn't like I'd been a movie, you know, like a script writer, like Sly for instance, since I was, you know,

since I was my teens, he wanted to do that. So he was kind of mentally prepared, but I wasn't, you know. Right. And did you have a good understanding of, because it seems like once you're number one on the call sheet, you're kind of your own businessman. Yeah. Did you have a good understanding of, because it seems like once you're number one on the call sheet, you're kind of your own businessman. Did you have a good understanding of the business or how to handle stuff like that? Or was that a pretty, was that a tough learning curve? It was very tough for me. I was not a businessman.

I was too kind of gullible and too trust, too much of a people pleaser, you know? Which you have to be, but because of my upbringing, you know, my dad was pretty harsh on me and I kind of had, I was fairly insecure as a person. That's kind of what fueled me into the martial arts, contact sports, you know, like a lot of guys who are in contact sports, you know, boxing or football or if you become a police

officer. There is not always, but there can be some history of, you know, physical abuse or violence like in the family. You know, you kind of, you need to sort of feel stronger. And part of that is also, you can also be a people pleaser. You can also be a really good soldier, you know. Take orders, yeah, go and kill those guys. Yeah, okay, yes sir, you know, I'll do it, fuck it.

I don't care what happens to me. You know, and I was like that, but it didn't really help me as a business person. So I think I was taking advantage off quite a bit. And yeah, certainly you're right. I did not have the business acumen to sort of judge what is smart as move or strategically and so forth. It's tougher because you're big and jacked and handsome too, where people think you must

have it all figured out all the time. Yeah, and I think also it's tough because I was also kind of you know I came from a very shot kind of a different part of society where I was a martial artist and drink never went out didn't have a girlfriend I was like 25 or something I mean I've seen some girls but I didn't have a steady girlfriend how old are you when you lost your virginity oh I was probably like pretty young, like, well young, like 16 or something. That's awesome.

Amen. But I wasn't really sexually active, so. You weren't chasing it. No, I wasn't chasing it. I was just working out all the time. So basically when the floodgates open, you know, when you become famous movie star in the 80s, and there are no like reality show, none of that shit exists.

There is only movie stars or TV stars, but they're second class. So when you're on the big screen and you do a world tour and every city you go, there is screaming fans everywhere. I mean, it's easy to get caught up in that. Yeah, and that much ass can make you sad, right? You can, yeah.

Because it's like so much of a good thing. So then if you feel bad, you're like, why do I feel bad? I'm getting all this good thing, and then nothing makes sense. Yeah, you're right. Now you get, yeah, it's like overload. Fortunately, I kept training through the whole thing. The working out is huge. Yeah, I think so.

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That's j o i n b i l t dot com slash go deep make sure to use our urls They know we sent you join built comm slash go deep to sign up for built today Did you ever scrap with any famous 80s actors like get into you guys were like young and hot under the collar and you're like You think you're a big tough guy Michael Douglas? No, I know it was dumb enough to scrap with me I don't think. I mean I was a pretty dangerous guy in those days you know I mean I had nice temperament but I wouldn't have wanted to be on the other side of a punch for me or a kick back in those days. Kick would have been very bad, Bad news.

Not really. No, I was pretty friendly with everybody. You know, I always get a feeling if somebody said, you know, 99% of the time you can always avoid a fight, you know, maybe sometimes you get pushed into it up against the wall, there's nowhere to go. But a lot of times you can talk your way out of it or you don't have to. Are you Swedish actors close? Like, do you know the Skarsgårds? I've met them. I know their dad a little bit,

Stelen. I met them, but I'm not close to them. No, I know Peter Stormare. Oh, he's great. Yeah, he's a good guy. He's such a good actor. Yeah. The guy from Fargo, right? Yeah, from Fargo. The guy who's the kind of quiet guy or psycho guy. He plays a deranged dude better than any other. He's the best.

He's the guy that does the wood chipper. He gets great actors. Oh, yeah. The one who's watching television, remember? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, he's. And you guys have really good filmmakers, but it's like Ingmar Bergman's Swedish, right?

Actually, I spoke. I did something with the Cohn brothers, and it was funny, because it was actually the little scene I did was cut out of the movie, but they wanted me to do something, I did it, and anyway, in a Clooney picture, it was the one where he plays a screenwriter. Remember he's an actor or a screenwriter? Hale Caesar? Yeah. Anyway they said that where they grew up in Minnesota there was always a crazy Swede around somewhere because a lot of Swedes moved to Minnesota. So there was like Poles, Jews and Swedes they said. So in all their movies, they always have those three characters

and they have that Swedish dance teacher in them, Hail Caesar. So it's like some insane character. But anyway, yeah. That's funny. Are Swedish people, cause like the art that I've consumed from Sweden is always pretty dark, right?

And pretty existential. Yes, dark and it's like Lutheran, you know, Lutheran. Oh. Lutheran is part of being a Protestant in the old days religion where everybody's, you're born a sinner basically. And there's really no way you get out of that. That's, you're gonna, you can try to get to heaven,

but a lot of times you're gonna go to hell no matter what you do. So it's like a dark kind of look it's not like Catholicism where you can go in and you can't fix it no you can't fix it that's awesome in Italy you know you have a couple of fairs you go and speak to yeah priest and you know 10 Hail Marys you're good. There's no grace in Sweden. So you'll never rid yourself of the darkness. It's in you. But they do have a good music industry in Sweden.

They have a lot of good music producers, Max Martin and guys like that. But I mean, Bergman is kind of dark. And it's dark there a lot too. The sun goes down. It's dark. It has a darkness to it. The whole culture. Yeah, you're right.

Are you still religious? Not really, no. No? No, I mean I like the history of religion. I like how you kind of, if you go to a church in Europe, you like feel the centuries and history and so forth. You can find it right there. So I like to visit churches, but I'm not really religious that much.

No. How important is being tanned to you? Being tanned. I think it's it was really important in the 80s. Yeah. And there was no self tanning cream, shit like that. You have to like get out there and you had to earn it. Burn it. Earn it. Burn it. Yeah. That's right. Do you ski? Did you ski in Sweden? Hmm. Burn it. Burn it. Burn it. Burn it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Did you ski? Did you ski in Sweden?

I did cross-country skiing, downhill, mostly cross-country actually. That's a lot of work. Yeah, because where I grew up, it was very flat, kind of, but a lot of snow. I grew up in a place up north when I was a teenager. My dad sent me away. We had disagreements.

So he said, I'll get the kid out of here. Sent me to his parents, which is above the Arctic Circle. So when you came to California, were you just like, this is it? Yeah, even America. I mean, I first came to Washington State to go to school up in Pullman, Washington, which is like in the prairie. Oh, you're a cougar.

Yeah, cougars. Yeah, cougars, yeah. I was there when I was 18, did some boxing, did a little, you know, did chemistry, and then I came to, went to South Carolina as well, to Clemson. I was there doing some research, and first thing I noticed was that people were really upbeat and kind of friendly,

and they were interested in like You know me. Okay, just I was just a nobody from Sweden in my mind And you know, it was kind of cool the chicks kind of yeah the Swedish guy. So it was like Yeah, I was kind of I always wanted to come back, you know, which I did of course So did you rock a speedo? Do you still rock a speedo if you go out to the beach? Not much, no. I would. I was used. I think my wife would let me, but I used to rock it, yeah.

Hell yeah. What was your family, when you started acting in movies and started to make a career out of it, how did your family respond? I think they were in shock. I mean, first time anybody knew about it, I was studying, and I was studying acting in New York and my dad was, you know, I was also going out in New York.

I was studying acting and partying and I hadn't told my dad I quit MIT and I was, you know, living in Manhattan with Grace Jones, my girlfriend, and he was reading the newspaper one day in Sweden and there was a picture of, she was kind of famous, Grace Jones in those days, and with her, you know, toy boy, boyfriend, you know, and it was me, you know, and he's like, is that my son?

And I was wearing like leather pants. No shirt glasses. Oh, yeah And it's a studio 54 if you would if you could you would 54 yeah, that's cool. I was there man. Did you ever meet that owner guy? Oh, yes, Steve Rubell He seemed like a character. He was he was he was funny. He was He was actually a good friend of gracious. I got to know him pretty well. He was And I read about it later on the tax evasion stuff? Yeah that too, but he always wore, even in the summer he wore this down jacket, you know, kind of oversized, but kind of something French, like a French kind of fashionable down jacket. It was, what the hell's up with a down jacket?

And I saw this documentary about it where that's where he kept all the drugs and all them cash, you know? Because he would like deal very quickly like all the VIPs, hit them some blow, you know? Then he had cash, because he would go outside once in a while, when there's too big of a crowd, he would hand out 50s to people to go home. Because if they stay there,

the fire department would shut down the club. So he would just go like hand out like a few thousand bucks hey guys get the fuck out here you know amazing so it was like another time yeah such an operator yeah he was not did you meet Truman Capote when you were there I think I saw him somewhere yeah he used to go a lot who were like the biggest characters in 54 well see rebel it was Jerry Cooney wasca Jagger, and Mick Jagger was there sometimes. David Bowie, I met him.

Michael Jackson, met him. What was Michael Jackson like? I didn't meet him, I didn't talk to him that much. Did he dance? Yeah, I was actually at that, the 25th Motown anniversary was at the Uptown Theater, what's it called, the... Apollo? No, the Apollo Theaterown Theater, what's it called? Apollo?

No, Apollo Theater, yeah Apollo Theater. And I was there with Grace and I remember David Bowie was there and he had this cool bodyguard and I kinda checked him out. He looked badass with his suit. He had a tuxedo on him. And I mean the bodyguard looked badass. And Michael Jackson did that moonwalk for the first time

And I remember I said I think it was right before thriller was Right. It was about to be released and I said to grace like what's up with this Michael Jackson guy? What's what's the big deal? Just like don't ever say that about him. He's gonna be a huge star. Yeah. Anyway, there you go So you saw him the night he did the moonwalk? Wow Anyway, there you go. So you saw him the night he did the moonwalk? Wow. That was awesome. I was in the backstage. Wow.

I was carrying two guns myself. Really? Yeah, because Grace, when I was with Grace, one of his first nights, you know, she said, get the cigarettes out of my purse. And I came out with this little, like a toy gun. It was a Derringer two shot, 32 caliber. And it was a real gun and I said, well.

Not much stopping power on that though. No, but you know. In the head. In the head, close range is good enough. Right, right, right. Yeah. Thought you were talking about your biceps for a second. You know what I'm saying?

But anyway, she said she had been tied up at gun point in her apartment, her and her ex-boyfriend. I said, it's not going to happen to me, fuck that. So we went to Colorado and I bought some guns there where you could just go and get them in those days. The best, like Wyoming? Yeah, yeah. Back in the day.

You just walk in that day. You got a friend who's got an ID from there, they'll give you the whole arsenal. And you threw them in the suitcase because in those days there was no like x-ray and shit like that. Oh wow. And then there was no metal detectors-ray and shit like that. Oh wow. And then there was no metal detectors. You could wear them to go to 54. You could come in armed.

Back when we were a proper country. My dad one time went into Gart Brothers in Wyoming and he goes, I want the Glock and my friend's gonna buy it. He's from Wyoming and the guy goes, sir, I'm an officer of the law and that is a straw purchase. You must leave this premises right now. All right, later. I'm really sorry.

Anyway, here is Hard Cut, right? Yeah. This is your vodka. All right, later. We're like, sorry. Anyway, here is a hard cut, right? Yeah, this is your vodka. Let's go. Cheers. I haven't drank in three years. I'm throwing my chip away. Later, AA. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Cheers. Oh, that's good. Oh, this is great. Smooth. Wow. Dude, this makes me want a party dude Call my wife dude. She's a therapist end your session cruise over babe bring some speedos Boys are rocking speedos on a Monday.

I love that. So what made you want to do this? It was actually my wife, I was dating her at the time. I think, you know, we were just talking about the vodka section, I didn't like any of them. Looked boring, everybody's doing tequilas. Tequilas look really cool. And I decided to, she said, you're a chemical engineer,

you're from Sweden, you played a Russian, you should be able to come up with a vodka. And I decided to do it and found one in Idaho of all places. We tried them from all over the world, but potato vodka from Idaho and overproof, 90 proof, 45, so kicks a little ass, a little badass. And it was something I'd never done any, I hadn't been an entrepreneur like that. I'd just done movies so it was like a challenge on another level.

And when did you first launch? We launched here in California about two months ago. Cool. Nice. And we just launched in New York. It's a sleek design, I like it. Thanks man. Yeah, a little design, I like it. Thanks man, yeah. Yeah. A little more, yeah a little stance out

with the old Vodkas look a bit kind of tall and slender and there's a little bit of badass looking. Do you think, back to acting, do you think acting is harder than people think or easier than people think? I think harder. It's harder I think. Because like people say, just be yourself.

Just don't do any, no acting, just be yourself. But that's what people get 20 million for, to be able to live authentically under fake circumstances. To be able to be completely relaxed and normal when there's five cameras on you and you're about to speak to Nicole Kidman or somebody. I mean, that's kind of the, it's a lot of,

like I heard Jack Nicholson say, it's 90% relaxation acting. And there's something to that. It's a very meditative type of art form. It's pretty cool, actually. That's probably why you're so good at it. You're good at meditating. Yeah, because you have to, like, you know,

you gotta relax and be in the moment. And I think it's difficult. Yeah, because my body gets too jacked up and then the words stop making sense. Like, I'll have to say, I want your money, Ellis. But then I say it 30 times and I'm like, I want your money. And by the time I'm done, I don't even, it sounds like I'm speaking not English to myself.

Yeah, yeah, that's why a lot of, some directors prefer, you know, the first take, you know, at Clint Eastwood. Oh yeah. The actors know, you know, they get two or three takes, you know, and that's it, so you have to be fully rehearsed and then the first time you say something, it has a certain kind of

freshness to it. First time you utter a line. Like I know a lot of actors like Sam Jackson, I understand he never speaks a dialogue once. He's never said the lines before the kind of role. That's why it always sounds natural as far as I'm concerned. Some people like to rehearse like Al Pacino rehearses like a thousand. Like the stage actor rehearses a lot. And that gives him a chance to be spontaneous. But some other actors don't do that.

And you know, some directors like to, like Sly for instance, he's very not married to the dialogue. Like you can rewrite stuff. Right on the, right there. You know, just say this instead of that. And sometimes it kind of frees you up too. What kind of actor are you? Do you like to rehearse a lot?

Me, I like to rehearse a lot. Because for me, it's a lot of physicality, especially in the movies I do. It's a physical art form. So I think a lot of times, if you feel comfortable in your movements, if I feel comfortable in my movements and the body language of this person,

I'm supposed to portray, then I feel comfortable in my movements and the body language of this person I'm supposed to portray then I feel more relaxed. Yeah I saw one actor say, you know that if and I agree with that They've if I don't feel like if I show up on set first day of shooting for a scene and the director says, you know Something I don't fucking like this scene. We're gonna do it this way instead If I don't fucking like this scene we're gonna do it this way instead if I don't feel comfortable with that meaning you have to own the character not so much be oh I'm gonna play the scene this way mm-hmm but if he says let's do this instead and you feel completely comfortable then you know you you got it you know that whoever you're playing you can

understood it when you played like the the bad guy in Universal Soldier. Yeah. Did you play in like a kind of Android robot? Yeah, like the machine, I guess. We call it a, yeah, a Android or... Synthetic or something. Yeah, yeah, like a... Did you carry any of like...

What, a cyborg or was it? Cyborg, yeah. When they said cut, were you like stuck in cyborg mode for a while? Like, would you go home and be like turn off the TV? Turn it off. I think Yeah, well, you're not really like that but yeah, you get stuck in it a little bit where you may want to practice it and annoy your

Your girlfriend or your friends because you're like being a little cyborgish at home. I saw that with Val Kilmer when they did the doc about him and they showed him at, it almost felt like it was his passive aggressive way to fight with his wife, but he would get into character all day and they have home footage of her being like, shut the fuck up Val, and he just won't,

you know, he's being Jim Morrison 24 hours a day. It's amazing. Yeah, no, I mean, some actors do that for sure. I mean, yeah, it depends. I mean, it's a very, can be very immersive art form where you totally get lost in it. And then your normal life can be, you know, it's beautiful when you're on screen,

but everything else is just crap falls apart. Yeah, great. Relationships, everything else sucks. I mean, it's typical for actors or musicians, too So it's tough to compartmentalize where you're like, I got to go do this scene where I'm being happy today But then your your girlfriend's yelling at you your dog bit you the way the set and it's like it's not easy No, it isn't but that's kind of the beauty of it that you get to escape Normal life a little bit and just play it play act Do you get so like the Drago character is so iconic probably the most iconic villain

I think it might have been like number one or two in our villain draft Yeah, when you travel the world do people just instantly associate you with Drago a lot of times Yeah, I think so. I mean I think it depends on who it is if it's more of a real fan than no other characters like Master. He man, for instance, were now because the new movie people are kind of right in that. But yeah, I think Drago is, I think the first time people see an actor on screen and if it's a good movie and if you're doing a good job, it sort of.

Defines who you are in their minds. You know, like, if you see Stallone as Rocky Balboa the first time you see him, then he's always Rocky Balboa, especially if it's a good movie. He could do another, and he has another 50 pictures. And you, you know, you remember him as that guy. But have you been in like, cause I saw, I watched Rocky IV in a Pueblo town in Costa Rica and the bar there Oh shit, like I mean it just like corners of the world

It's it's just a mainstay. I feel like it's a you could be in Mongolia and they'd be like, yeah, that's true No, there is something about certain movies that you know like They say it takes you know, what 15 years for if you know movies, a classic or not to 20 years. Some people, some movies weren't appreciated when they came out. Yeah.

Like Casablanca or something and then it becomes a classic or Wizard of Oz or something, but you know. Shawshank I think opened with a week and it's a classic. Yeah, you're right. What's your favorite movie? Well, my favorite, I like, I mean, I like some of these kind of epic pictures, like The Godfather, or like Gladiator,

those stuff. My favorites. You know? Yep. Warrior, pictures about warriors. Men Under Fire. Great movie. Saving Private Ryan. One of my all time favorites. Yeah, it's the same thing. If you're a man, you know there were a lot of guys before you who actually did that for

real and you're kind of wondering what it would be like. I've always thought about that as a kid. But I think Rocky IV has managed to get some kind of iconic status and people remember it and I'm sure people are going to watch it. It's got a good message. Long after all the people were in it, they're not around anymore, you know. So some pictures don't age well and that one does.

When you wrote the script for Creed II, did you feel like that was the right landing place for the character? When I first heard about it, I didn't wanna do it. I thought it's gonna just screw up that character's kind of legacy, that they were going to make it just another bad Russian, you know, badass Russian guy, one dimensional. But because the original Rocky character, the Drago character had some little bit of

some layers to it. Like that's why I think I ended up doing a playing a lead in the movie after that. You know, it wasn't really his fault. It was the Soviet state and all of that. But no, I read the, I heard about the script. I read a version of it that didn't like Creed II, but then this director came in and- Steven Cable? Steven Cable. He came in and rewrote it and did a great job. And he wrote it kind of with the Drago's as almost the leads in one way. They came from Ukraine in those days,

and they were poor, and they don't have anything. Sort of how Rocky Balboa started. Whereas, you know, Michael B. Jordan's character, and those guys, they're kind of fairly well off. Well, he's a champion, so. Yeah. Yeah, so you kind of, the Rocky movies are always good for the underdogs.

Correct. That's why it worked for Creed 2. So, it seems like there's an epidemic right now of dudes who are sad. Okay. Like young men are sad and they feel kind of lost. What's some advice you'd give to young men who feel kind of lost in these times?

Oh, you mean like Jordan Peterson speaks about that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Do you think we should make our beds? Yeah, make your bed in the morning. That's important. I don't know. It probably is good advice. You know, I think this generation will do just fine. Like all generations before, there's always a complaint. There's this famous quote about the youth of today, they're useless, and they're lazy, and you read through it and at the bottom it says, Plato, 2000 BC, complain about all

his students. So I think... It's an eternal struggle for men to find meaning. It's an eternal struggle, but I do think that something with internet has changed, and also the fact that men don't do military service these days, like you had to in the old days, and everybody was sort of, you have to kind of

do the tribal coming of age thing, where you tested yourself and you went through some real hard, physical physical hardships and I think that kind of gives you certain kind of Scale you you have some it makes you wait up it finds you find a way to Kind of look at your normal everyday problems and don't they don't they don't seem so bad

Yeah, if you've been shot at or you've been crawling around the mud, you know. And especially if you really went to war. But even if you didn't, just the training and living by yourself, taking care of, like you said, make your bed every morning, get yelled at by the officers. I think I did it in Sweden because it was conscription when I was a kid.

So things like that have changed. So you were in them. You did like a national service. National service. Yeah. I think, you know, men will find a way. I think MMA is big because young men want to try themselves. They want to.

They want that sort of coming of age, ritualistic sort of experience. And I think, you know, well, I think it's just search that out a little bit maybe a good way to to make yourself give yourself some ammunition to to battle you know depression and such because you know social media and all that shit kind of makes us feel inferior sometimes oh yeah what's on there is not real it can make you feel inadequate. Everybody's a fucking billionaire and everybody's fucking living to 120. Yeah you have all these secret pills you gotta take. Well maybe before we wrap up I think one thing that would jack up the young men of America especially the ones who listen to this is if you could come from

the heart and tell us your wildest sexual escapade. And it can still happen right now. It's classified, that one. For sure. Gotta get the clearance. That was very Drago of you. You can't reveal that to us. The state would... Yeah, they would have to kill all of you.

Chopper would just stand here and the seals would show up. Put a bolt underneath your head. Well, I think in terms of who won the draft, I mean, we only got through two more elements. Yeah, we got to pick two more. We'll go two real quick, Chad. You go and then I'll go. All right, I'm gonna go real quick.

So this element, you know, it gives us life. It keeps us alive. But most importantly, you know, it gives us life. It keeps us alive. But most importantly, you can shred it. You can also get high off it, which I think is two of the sickest things in life, shredding and getting high, oxygen. Yeah, that's huge. That's huge. Oxygen's huge.

Yeah. So, and when it turns into water, you can just carve the shit out of it. And dude, you love busting and oxygen is huge for combustion. So that creates fire and you can manipulate other elements with the power of oxygen. Of course it has to be combined with what's fire, it's oxygen and what, hydrogen or? Fire is oxygen and carbon.

Okay, together. Do nice. And they combust. I didn't realize that that's actually what goes on when you bust. Fire is oxygen and carbon. Yeah. Okay, together. Too nice. Yeah. And they combust. I didn't realize that that's actually what goes on when you bust. Yeah, fire is basically a busting. Bro, it's crazy to me that I'm gonna get this.

I can't believe you all let it slide to four. I'm going with the most abundant element in the universe. It makes up the stars and carbon may be the basis for biological molecules, but this is the thing that allows those biological molecules to develop into life and survive. I'm going with hydrogen, dude. Smart.

Number one on your periodic table, number one in your heart. It's got to be the top pick. Dude, mixed for a great bomb too. Dude, you get fuel, baby. That's what's keeping us flying. I agree. You're a big Hindenburg guy. Oh, always, always, bro.

You know, actually, and they're making a comeback. Really? Yeah, hot air balloons are making a comeback. They're actually pretty safe. They're super easy on the environment. It's a good way for mass travel. So, you know. That's hilarious, dude.

Don't be afraid of it. We should tour by hot air balloon. That'd be awesome, dude. It's like Greta Thunberg of convenience. But also, did you realize if you take carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, you could make ethanol, which is vodka. There we go. Oh, there we go.

That's how you wrap it up, brother. That's how you put a bow on it. Dude. But what about iron? Iron, yeah, iron. That could be, what is iron? The bar where the bar stools. That's what I'm talking about.

I've got a bar stool. But what about iron? Iron, yeah, iron. That could be, what is iron? The bar with the bar stools. That's what I'm talking about. You gotta put your elbows. You know, rub elbows. Or the steak you're having with it. Yeah. All right, well we don't have time to call Aaron,

but we do have time for Jake to weigh in on who the winner was. Jake, what do you think? I gotta go with oxygen. Oh, dude. That's why I'm alive. Thank you, thank you, dude. Nice, oxygen was good too.

Chad, congrats, you got the WB, Dolph, dude. You can take that to the grave, dude. Dolph, it was great having you. Yeah, thank you so much, man. You make me wanna party and lift at the same time. Thanks. It's a great vibe. I've never met a jacked scientist, dude.

That's rad. Thanks, guys. Thanks guys. Yeah, appreciate it As the morning deepens I hear the sounds of our breath inside you Going deep Going deep My babies are going deep In time to see