Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 396 - DRAFT - BEST FILM DIRECTORS

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Today we are joined by Strider Wilson and Chris Parr to draft the BEST FILM DIRECTORS OF ALL TIME. This draft has been talked about in the comments for years and it might be the most passionate, resea...rched draft in the history of our podcast. But what actually makes a film director GREAT? Is it storytelling? Is it Framing Style? Is it the ability to captivate an audience? or could it be as simple as leadership on set? Each bro will make 5 selections and will give a dank reasoning behind each one to get the judges approval. Today we have a LIVE chat voting and we also call our hollywood dad Brad Fuller to judge! Let us know who you think won in the comments! #chadandjt #goingdeepwithchadandjt  We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Here is the Total Draft Standings: (s/o HandA on reddit)Chad: 11 wins JT: 13 wins Strider: 14 wins Chris Parr: 10 winsBrad Fuller: 1 win (The Ultimate Champ)Joe Marrese: 1 winKevin Fard: 0 wins  Thanks to our Sponsors:Brotege: The Best Skincare products for bros. Visit https://www.brotege.com/deep PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret #filmdirectors #draft #mountrushmore

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up guys welcome to the show we are brought to you by Brodage a the best new skincare company for the bros Not for the pros. I love bro. Deje make sure you get on your loge game Go to bro J calm slash deep right now for a special offer also guys Tour dates, what do we have coming up? one man show July 19th the jam in the van in Los Angeles. That's next Saturday and then we got Long Beach Laugh Factory July 24th, the Jam in the Van in Los Angeles. That's next Saturday. And then we got Long Beach Laugh Factory,
Starting point is 00:00:27 July 24th in Long Beach. Make sure you come out to that. And then we're gonna be, oh, Comedy Store. 30th, right? Yeah, July 30th, we're gonna have some heavy hitters on that show, the Main Room Comedy Store. And then Florida, we are coming in hot. September 23rd,th 25th Tampa
Starting point is 00:00:45 Orlando and Daniel Beach respectively yep get your tickets at ChadJT.com let's start this pod Guys, it's a big draft today. Some would say it's the biggest we've ever done. I mean, we are going after something that has been mentioned so many times in the comments and just never felt like the timing was right. But coming off the 4th of July, wanting to give you guys something equally spectacular, we're doing it, we're going,
Starting point is 00:01:33 the best film directors of all time. This is huge. It's a scary one. I was doing my research, just crushing YouTube videos. Gonna try to keep up with you guys. We'll see. Yeah, this is big.
Starting point is 00:01:49 I mean, JT is a big, like the podcasting one we did, JT's heavily influenced my tastes, what I take in artistically. So it's like kind of going up against, you know, you're here in a way and I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to kill him, dude. Yeah, I think I'm, I hope I win, but also sometimes when it's the thing you like the most, you don't pick good.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Yeah, you get in your dome. I was worried about you, cause you were just, we've been hanging out for like 15 minutes, he didn't say one word to me and he was writing a lot in his notebook and watching a lot of YouTubes of directors talking about their films. And I'm like, he might be gripping it too tight.
Starting point is 00:02:31 I kind of went the other way. I just wrote down a bunch of names, sorted them a little bit, and then just kind of backed off and figured maybe I'll be underprepared, but I am worried you're overprepared. Well, we'll see. We'll see.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Yeah. All right, well, let's do it then. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah. All right, well, let's do it then. Let's see. Oh, no. On three, shoot. One, two, three, shoot. Oh. One, two, three, shoot.
Starting point is 00:02:53 Hey, yo. One, two, three, shoot. Oh. One, two, three, shoot. Oh. Oh. OK. OK, I'm getting one of the guys.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Fuck. Let's do the top three. There's a big three. I can't have a big three. For me, there was a big three. Do you know what's soon as it's a top three, there's a big three. For me, there was a big three. Do you know what's funny? I had a top three too, but I didn't mind going at the turn. The turn's not bad, but you know what? I think three is the spot. Alright, here we go. So I want to lose this.
Starting point is 00:03:16 That's actually a good point. You guys know more than I do. You're playing 5D chess right now. One, two, three, shoot! Oh, dude! You did the same one! No, we did the same one! Alright two three shoot. One two three shoot. One two three shoot. Okay good good good. You wanted to lose that you wanted the three spike you call it. Yeah shoot. What do you say shoot right? Yeah. Fuck. I didn't even try and win, but I'll do it. I want a very unfortunate position being number one,
Starting point is 00:03:53 to pick the greatest director of all time. It's hard. It's hard. You know what? I'm just going to go Spielberg. That's what I would've done. I think he's the number one. I think he's the number one.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Because if you look, one, he's made. All right, here we go. All right, sorry. I can number one. Yes. Because if you look one, he's made it. All right, here we go. Sorry. I can't breathe. OK. This is yeah. Make the case. How many decades in a row has he produced at least one great movie?
Starting point is 00:04:16 Thank you. What? 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s. Does he have a great movie this decade? I don't know. But at least 50. Not this one. one at least what like 45 years of great movies Yes, like always delivering. He's also like he does the Oscar ones, right? He does super fun popcorn ones. Sometimes he does both at the same time. He's just done so many
Starting point is 00:04:39 He definitely has like it's definitely on like the more popcorn II version, but he still does the very Oscar-y ones. He's done sick action, you know what I mean? Like he's just done it all. He's so prolific. He's unreal, dude. Look, invented the summer blockbuster with Jaws. Yeah. Okay, boom.
Starting point is 00:04:58 It's a 50 year- Brought us dinosaurs. Brought us dinosaurs. He brought dinosaurs to life, dude. That movie's so sick. Saving Private Ryan, I think, is my favorite movie. Yes. The opening D-Day sequence, I think, is one of the greatest action scenes of all time. Yes. He's like the Steadicam stuff. He has evolved over his career. Like, he was doing, what is it, JT, correct me if I'm wrong, this American New Wave in the 70s. He has bangers in the
Starting point is 00:05:23 70s. Then in the 80s He's making bangers Indiana Jones, and then he adapts to this steady cam sequence in Saving Private Ryan. That's absolutely beastly I mean, yeah in terms of camera work I think he's probably the most instinctive filmmaker that's ever lived. You can just feel it when you watch his movies. You're like Everything's in the right place Everything's in perfect order It's um, he's just natural. He combined like everything's in the right place. Everything's in perfect order. He's just natural. He combined popular tastes with artistry
Starting point is 00:05:51 in a way that I don't think anyone's ever matched. Some super, like you look at the Oscar, more Oscar-y ones, it's like biopics like Schindler's List, Lincoln, but then you also have Catch Me If You Can, which is just one of the best family movie like everyone loves that movie who how can you not all the fucking Indiana Jones dude dude oh my god he's so good and then you have like decent movies that are like kind of forgettable like ready player one still fun still a good movie you know Minority Report rips. Sick. And dude, here's a crazy thing. ET and Indiana Jones back to back, 82 and 83.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Then in 1993, he releases Schindler's List and Jurassic Park in the same year. Unreal. Crazy. And then in I think 99, he comes out with Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can in the same year. Crazy. So he's doing post on one of those like and then think about how different
Starting point is 00:06:48 like you're making Jurassic Park and Schindler's list at the same time you have both those worlds in your head and then think about how Perfectly complete both those movies are like how big is this motherfuckers brain? Yeah, dude that he can juggle all that shit My favorite thing about or not my favorite but one thing I like about him too is he kind of wants to capture that he has optimistic View on the human spirit and he kind of leaves his movies with an optimistic kind of like even when he tackles things like schindler's list, it's like uh, I In terms of my sensibilities,
Starting point is 00:07:25 I prefer that over more nihilistic view. Me too. I mean, sometimes I like the nihilistic movies, it's fun how they leave you just feeling depressed, but yeah, he's definitely got a more positive outlook on humanity, and he just knows how to deliver fun and drama and just, man, how many Oscars, just like sweeping music, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:47 Like obviously like a lot of credit to John Williams for coming up, but like, like the whole movie always starts with the director and he just fucking gets it, he's so fun. He changed our whole opinion on sharks. Yeah. He, he, he. Yeah, he made them into sharks. he, he built the new sharks.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Yeah, he fucked them for decades. And famously the shark, the animatronic shark wasn't working so he, it was supposed to be earlier in the movie and then he just build tension around it. And then the reveal of it in the second act or towards the end of the second act, his breakthrough moment. And to what you were saying too about his like,
Starting point is 00:08:22 he does have like a childlike sensibility. There's a childlike sensitivity in all of his movies. Yeah, a lot of them are about people who are having issues with their parents Yeah, the first half of his career was more about the dad because he thought his dad was a bad guy Then he found out later that his mom had kind of been I think Misrepresenting his dad and then his later movies. The mom's a bad person. Yeah he's I think catch me if you can's a big later movies the mom's a bad person. Yeah. He's he I think Catch Me If You Can's the big flip where the mom becomes like the kind of more challenging one but um the way he was able to put those childlike stories into these adult movies is like in Catch Me If You Can the kids
Starting point is 00:09:00 parents don't want him so what does he do he starts stealing so that the FBI guy chasing him becomes like his dad. He's like, well, if my parents won't chase me, I'll make this FBI guy chase me. And that'll be like my version of love. Whoa. Yeah, and I mean, you know, we were young when Jurassic Park came out, but he brought dinosaurs to life,
Starting point is 00:09:20 which is pretty, at that time too, it seemed pretty incredible. And you go look at it, and it looked amazing. Dude, I watched Jurassic Park recently, like the T-Rex is still terrifying. It still looks so good. It still looks more real than anything, I just saw Jurassic World Rebirth,
Starting point is 00:09:37 and like the dinosaurs look way better, and it came out 30 years ago. The details, dude, like you think about how iconic it is to Jurassic Park, you got. The details, dude, like you think about how iconic it is to Jurassic Park. You got the T-Rex. He creates this incredible, you know, digitized dinosaur. Looks amazing.
Starting point is 00:09:54 But then he cuts to the, just the little cup of water and the water is shaking. And then, you know, he creates these amazing velociraptors that are jumping and moving and they feel real. But what do you remember? You remember the little finger? Yeah, get on the door handle like you can see he totally understands What's gonna trigger your reptile brainage? But what the hell's going on here for for jaws?
Starting point is 00:10:14 I think it was maybe it was the author was on set when they were and then tucked in the tank in the mouth You know to be he's like he's like but that wouldn't happen like no one's gonna believe that he's like At this point in the movie basically like, I'll have him wrapped around my finger, they'll believe whatever I want them to believe. I love it, I love it. Yeah, I think that was the right number one pick, Chris. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 00:10:34 The guy. And the music, dude, the music in all of his films. Oh, John Williams, dude, you gotta talk about Johnny Williams. Even Spielberg himself has said his most important, you know, film is a collaborative medium. Of course, the director is the auteur, but he has said his most important you know film is a collaborative medium of course the director is the art tour but he has said himself John Williams is my number one yeah he's got a lot of aspect he's got some uses you know like he's done some he's done some great obviously him and Tom Hanks have worked a lot
Starting point is 00:10:56 together some great shit but he's worked with plenty of actors a couple times and you know do the father-son stuff Indiana Jones last crusade is all that yeah way is all like You know dad, you know father-son daddy stuff Yep, and when the fabled men's is basically him going straight at it and being like this is what I thought happened This is what actually happened. Well, did you guys watch I watched part of West Side Story? Did you guys watch it? I tried I tried I I mean like 10 minutes. I saw the knife fight scene.
Starting point is 00:11:27 That was about it. I mean his last movie I probably dug dug was Bridge of Spies. I love Bridge of Spies. Which is really good. I so love it. I rewatch it all the time. Co-written by some guys who will come up later.
Starting point is 00:11:36 And then I think his last masterpiece was probably Lincoln. Which I think is just. I love Lincoln. I love Lincoln, yeah. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. The acting, more good actors in that movie
Starting point is 00:11:48 than any movie. It's like 40 deep on the, you got like Tim Blake Nelson in the 40 hole. James Bader. I love to yell for shame at somebody, dude. Yeah, yeah. Like the way that they talk is just so good. It's so good.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Dude, Lincoln's stories, dude, are just incredible. Just him just telling stories stories dude, sitting down, just talking at dudes for 20 minutes. You're the master. All right Strider, you're up dude. Dude, this is so hard. I really wanted the number one pick in this just so I could rest easy.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Film. Now is where, look, I wrote a list down here, okay? You understand? Pen and paper, I'm old school, I wrote a list down here, okay, you understand? Pen and paper, I'm old school, I'm old school. And this is just a guy who, his movies are fucking sick. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say, this guy's movies are sick. There might be a heavier hitter here that's a master of every genre that maybe I should take, but I'm not doing it. I'm taking a guy who makes sick movies,
Starting point is 00:12:49 whose movies I wanna rewatch, and he's a writer, director, absolute beast, and maybe no one knows more about filming this guy. I'm going Tarantino here in the two hole. I'm going Quentin Tarantino. The guy, once upon a time in Hollywood Hollywood absolute beast. I just rewatched His historical whimsy. I'm a history guy. I like this genre that he's carved out of real like I love a lot of time in Hollywood where he rewrites the endings. I love things and it works
Starting point is 00:13:18 Inglorious bastards. It works So I mean, I love him dude. I rewatched Jackie. I watched Jackie Brown for the first time recently unbelievable movie did it's really fun, dude No one's movies at this point in my life for more of a must-see event He's probably you know Spielberg even some other guys would get picked they can make a movie I'm like, I'm gonna skip that one Tarantino. I'm going to see it in theaters. I gotta watch it Yeah, I mean he was the first Well, I was growing up, I really, I was watching Kill Bill and I was like,
Starting point is 00:13:51 or I really understood, like, oh this is like his, like him as the director, this is his vision. Like every time he watches, you know it's a Tarantino movie when you watch it, just with the shots the music the dialogue it's it's so distinct and It's so just him and and you're he takes your imagination away with him Like you just totally give it to him and you're like dude, where are you gonna take me on this ride?
Starting point is 00:14:20 He does cool so well. No one does cooler than Tarantino. Like he'll make, you can be so cool on screen, dude. It's just, it's awesome. And his music that he curates and picks is like, this is a man of taste. And you know, it's so true. He like, if you think about Pulp Fiction, it's just a sick, cool movie. And it's not overly emotional.
Starting point is 00:14:40 I mean, it does have like the religiosity with the Jules character. And you feel really good when Jules kind of makes his way out at the end. Like he puts it in there. But that's why I think Jackie Brown and Once Upon a Time are such special movies because they both have like a real aching heart to them. And it's probably the most like,
Starting point is 00:14:57 I know it's probably the most I feel his movies in those two, especially Jackie Brown with the older couple. Like I love that movie and you really feel and the loan officer is incredible that actor I forget his name. He's so good and who's like the novels that he's based on the Elmore Leonard Yeah, Elmore Leonard like greatest writers ever. Yeah, he There's so rewatchable too. I mean in glory in glorious bastards. I can we watch I can wait watch that repeat and still be Entertaining our dogs was on TV the other day. I watched like 40 minutes of it.
Starting point is 00:15:26 It's so fun. I mean, just the dialogue is always, and it's his credit as a writer as well. Everyone's so fun. There's so much cursing. There's so much like intensity, but also lightness to it, because like they're always funny. They're always just like such romps. It's funny about Kill Bill, because I remember leaving it with my parents. My parents were like, they're always funny. They're always just like such romps.
Starting point is 00:15:45 It's funny about Kill Bill, because I remember leaving it with my parents. My parents were like, I don't know, it didn't have the normal pizzazz that a Tarantino one does. It's like, I like kind of hear where they're coming from, but it's still a cool movie. Yeah, the one sequence where she fights all the guys,
Starting point is 00:15:58 is it Kill Bill one? Yeah, I think it's probably because my parents don't like, I don't think my dad cares for like, that extreme of violence, and they didn't find it I think it was probably too campy for him. Yeah, whereas he's like wanted like the pulp fiction like pitter-patter and like, you know, like But it's still criminal underbelly, but he makes such he just makes such fun movies It was way more specific than Paul. Yeah, I'm in turn like I could see the alienated if you I mean if you look He I think he's only made one movie. I don't love to rewatch and that's hateful eight
Starting point is 00:16:31 But that's good, I love but I disagree I mean it's brutal yet You know, maybe I'll maybe I'll maybe I'll skip the part where the dude gets evil eating alive my dog Yeah, exactly. I'd like change the channel for 10 minutes. I think Django, I agree with you, it's not as rewatchable as like Once Upon a Time or Jackie Brown, but it has, I think his best scene maybe, ever, the Leo one where he goes nuts and his hands bleeding. That's a great scene.
Starting point is 00:16:55 And I think it might have his best perfo- Samuel L. Jackson in that movie. Bro, he's unreal. He's like an Uncle Tom. It's crazy cause in Django, it's like Christoph Waltz, Leo, and Sam Jackson all could have won Best Supporting Actor because they're all so fucking good in that movie
Starting point is 00:17:12 and the characters are so fun. I think my favorite thing about him and Spielberg too is that, is the fun aspect. They understand the importance of like, the movie experience. They want the audience to have a great time yeah at the movies and I think that's you know if you're going to a Spielberg movie or Tarantino movie you're gonna have a great time it's gonna be a memorable experience I think that that like they
Starting point is 00:17:38 understand that it's entertainment yeah and as JT said it's an event when because he's done a really good job of, I mean, like he it's UFC QT. It's any and because he's like Spielberg's way more prolific. So if you can slip to the cracks, but like Tarantino, because he's been so targeted with like how many movies he makes and he's and he writes and directs them, it's it does help eventize it a lot. All right. So you guys picked great picks.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And you know, the thing is Spielberg, the influence. I mean, we don't have Iron Giant without him. We might not have Zemeckis without him. So we don't have Back to the Future without him. Quentin Tarantino, we don't have Gross Point Blank without him. I mean, just the waves that they created were substantial enough to ride.
Starting point is 00:18:21 But this next guy is right there with him. And I can't believe I get to get him I'm very excited. I mean come on. He is synonymous with American film Spielberg's got like 12 certified bangers. I think QT's got eight this next guy Some would say 11 I could say 15 certified bangers. let's go plus documentary I mean he is the master of the authentic world of the frenetic camera of the high-paced edit of rock and roll music I'm going none other than Martin fucking Scorsese, dude Nice dude. Yeah, dude. He's a freaking beast, dude It's gonna be a lot of white guys the last waltz dude
Starting point is 00:19:04 That's why I like his documentary of The Last Waltz, probably that crazy that I said that first after you said this pic. Yeah. Cause he's got so many movies that are above and beyond. Yeah, it's so good. But it's just incredible. I mean look, yeah, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull,
Starting point is 00:19:16 King of Comedy, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs in New York, The Departed. It's insane. All the movies are super rewatchable. I don't think anyone, Wolf of Wall Street, I don't think anyone is better with a camera than him. I don't think anyone. He's Casino? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:37 I don't think anybody. Just watch it. Exactly. It's got Gimme Shelter in it. You know it's, you know it's sort of, they're outscores. I'm not a huge camera guy, like in terms of like studying the compositions and the lighting
Starting point is 00:19:49 and stuff like that. But one thing I like a lot is like theme. And I can remember so many moments in his films where he just nailed what the theme of it was, with just the way he orchestrated his scene that it stayed with me forever. Like when I was probably 13 or 14, I saw Gangs in New York. And that remains one of my favorites,
Starting point is 00:20:11 even though it's kind of a mess of a movie. It's long and has a lot of digressions, but I absolutely love it. And if you think about the ending, you got Leo DiCaprio representing his gang, which is the immigrants from Ireland, right? And they're being used as political foils and they're fodder for the war And then but he's just trying to carve out a niche for his people in this new world
Starting point is 00:20:29 And he's fighting against Daniel Day-Lewis of the natives who are somewhat misguided They've only been there for like 30 years longer But they're like no this is our country and he's trying to protect his home turf and they're gonna have their final Mega battle dude. They're gonna go toe to toe and settle whose land is whose land. And right as they're about to fight, cannonballs just blow them up from the army trying to break up a riot. And you realize their whole squabble over turf,
Starting point is 00:20:56 it means nothing to the grander machinations of technology and government and just time. And then by the end of it, they're both covered in dirt. You can't tell them apart. I remember being so disappointed because I'm like, man, they didn't even fight. We didn't even see the battle. I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:21:13 But I guess, like I understood, I understand that that was the point, but yeah, it just, and it stuck with me because I'll always remember that because I'm like, I didn't see that. But you're supposed to have the big fight. What happened? Yeah. And it's obscured. You can't really see him you know he's so good I mean my two favorite are probably good fellows and Wiffle Wall Street
Starting point is 00:21:33 I mean taxi driver 20 years apart yeah and taxi driver I watched that you know a few years back and that I mean even though it it stuck with me for days it's so it's psychotic and super fun yeah and then I mean departed you know when I was coming up that that was just I know it's not your favorite but departed sick though it's still really good yeah and this I mean has so many I mean Jack Nicholson I mean Mark Wahlberg again it's so memorable. It's one of those ones where I'm like, I don't think that that's his best. So I feel like I was more negative about it because it won so many awards.
Starting point is 00:22:09 And I was like, he had made better movies, but you know, I was still glad that he got, that's what, so happy that he got his Oscar, even if it's like not the movie that I would have picked. And we liked the original a lot too. I thought Infernal Affairs, I liked that it focused more on the Damon character. But yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:27 I mean, he's 80. He's still the fucking greatest. And I think the most people cop him too. He's the most influential. Yeah, I think so. Like there's people that do bad versions of him. And we haven't even really talked about Goodfellas yet or just how fucking funny his movies are. They're so funny.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Because they're so entertaining. It's characters on the edge They're wild, but there's a naturalness to it and a spontaneity to it that always you're like Oh, this is totally real like these are real guys and they're always Pesci It's just so good and casino and good fellas and they're lovable. They're always like the worst people ever But I remember after mom saw the Irishman. She's like, I really liked all those characters. I'm like they're murderers She's like but they had such good manners. Like dude, he grew up around these guys. He loved them.
Starting point is 00:23:10 And so when he makes movies about them, he doesn't make them all bad. He shows you why they're, why they get away with stuff because you feel their charisma. Was it you that told me the story? I forget what film it was, but Scorsese was directing this actor and he was one of the smaller roles in it,
Starting point is 00:23:27 but he had a big scene coming up and he's like, hey man, don't fuck. Like if you fuck, you're gonna ruin this scene and the guy went cold turkey for like six weeks and then finally was like, look I got a bone and then bone and literally when the camera went up Scorsese's like, cut, you fucking idiot, you had sex. I can tell you had sex.
Starting point is 00:23:45 You said that was for After Hours, right? Bill Simmons just told that story, that Griffin Dunn said it like, and then Scorsese knew, dude, he understands movies on like a DNA level. And he knows what he wants from his actor, and he can just sense the humanity. And After Hours is a great comedy, and like, you know, it's not in the mobster canon, so I think it gets overloaded, but all of his movies are really cool and always super smart and
Starting point is 00:24:09 Fuck my mother you motherfucker fuck my mother. That's what I was thinking That's always like that line from casino of Pesci. It's just it's so funny Even though it's like during a torture scene, and it's brutal and like but it's oh you find advice Yeah, I'm like the guys, is that when he puts his head in the vice? Yeah. Oh, dude, yeah. And the guy's like, eyes are popping out of his head. It's just the dialogue that he says during it's just so funny. The way he just does blunt violence, the bat scene in the Field and Casino,
Starting point is 00:24:32 you're just like, it's brutal. It's rough. Or even in Departure when he shoots the guy in the kneecap. Oh yeah. That stuck with me. Dude. Yeah. I tried to triple X. All right, Chad, you're up with two picks, dude.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I think it's tough, you're in a hard spot. Do you, what is your big three? That was my big three, yeah. No. I'm in a hard spot. This first pick, I might get some hate on it because I haven't seen all his movies, but he's a top lister guy.
Starting point is 00:25:01 The movies I have seen stuck with me. I mean, he's kind of undeniable. He takes on huge subjects. Stanley Kubrick have seen stuck with me. I mean he's kind of undeniable. He takes on huge subjects. Stanley Kubrick. Full Metal Jacket, The Shining. I've never seen Space Odyssey. Eyes Wide Shut, Boning. Yeah, yeah. I think that was the right pick. Yeah, I would I would try to get him on the swing back I think he is he's known for having hits in every single genre right comedy horror. Yeah He's his movies Move you like I saw Full Metal Jacket. They disturb you no guy can do something that will disturb you better than him in my opinion and
Starting point is 00:25:40 For free watchability probably not the best but if you're gonna rewatch Clockwork Orange, you know what's going on with you. Like. I watch Full Metal Jacket a lot, but not. Yeah, it's just they're rough. They're rough watches. 2001 Space Odyssey, great movie. Like, yeah, like you said,
Starting point is 00:25:59 he takes big bites and big swings and like. Yeah. I think almost more than any other director, you like assume an intelligence from him when you're watching his movies, you're like, oh, this guy's fucking smart. And there's complete mastery of craft at every level. Like the lighting, the composites,
Starting point is 00:26:18 everything just feels like you're like, yeah, you're not gonna make it any better than this guy just did. Yeah, and certain you're not gonna make it any better than this guy just did yeah and certain scenes or images like just Are well, I think we'll stick In you know the film culture throughout time is like Jack Nicholson is shining him coming through the doors Yeah, the twins in the hallway I mean full metal jacket when I watch I watched full metal jacket like the whole thing a few years ago
Starting point is 00:26:44 and it just like Oh man, Private Pile sitting on the toilet with the gun. Yeah, it just sticks with you Yeah, there's an existential eeriness to his stuff Also when they get the sniper and you roll up on the sniper towards the end of the movie. Yeah Yeah, I mean it's so disturbing dude. Yeah, sorry I'm not describing it because you know go watch it if it if you wanna know, but it's fucked up. Yeah, and I prefer more of like a Spielberg where it's not such a cold take on humanity,
Starting point is 00:27:15 but it does stick with you and it is so, well, it's just so masterfully done, you can't deny it. He's got so many good lines, like Dr. Strange Love and how I fell in love with Abe. Like social satire to be good and to be funny needs to be like an 11 out of 10 and the guy does like a 12 out of 10 with it. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:27:34 So good, somebody great. Gentlemen, there's no fighting in the war room. Just like great iconic lines, very smart, very well done. I was reading a review of a space odyssey and just what a bold movie that was to to like use so little dialogue So little exposition and just like let you kind of figure it out like he Very brave but in the review Roger Rupert was like the moon landing in space Odyssey would prove to look as
Starting point is 00:27:58 Realistic as the real space as the real moon landing the next year. Mm-hmm, which is interesting because people think Kubrick might have shot that right? Yeah, I read that review. I was like, well, maybe it's cuz they shot him back to back. Yeah Yeah, dude, that might be his most important film the moon Interestingly him and Scorsese Both afraid of flying really I think control freaks dude Yeah, and you feel the control freakness Martin Scorsese He's a control freak too But because his camera is moving so fast and because he edits like off rhythm a lot You're like no, this is like wild and edgy like Kubrick. You're like you can feel the vice grip that he has on everything
Starting point is 00:28:35 Yeah, Scorsese Scared of flying made a movie the aviator. He told them Like we want you to the aviators like do you know me? Actually, I read in New York Times you came across kind of like a prima donna But if it's bad weather on the day, he doesn't fly his assistant has to rebook him Yeah, that's a great pick man, I mean just So unique all those movies. I haven't seen Barry Lyndon or 2001 so it's never gonna be one that I picked just cuz
Starting point is 00:29:08 Spartacus is sick. I mean I really need to see Dr. Strangelove. It's fun And it's like an hour and a half Pads of Glory is like because it's not as exciting as some of his other movies like or Lurid subject matter wise I think that's a masterpiece too. It's one of the only purely anti-war movies I've ever seen yeah, and it was before he was really in his bag subject matter wise, I think that's a masterpiece too. It's one of the only purely anti-war movies I've ever seen. And it was before he was really in his bag, but it's really good.
Starting point is 00:29:29 And also just the legend around him, that like the way he works with his actors, especially like Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, there's just so much like, there's so much to his process that people might talk about his process just as much as the movie of like Yeah, the time it took to film eyes wide shut sometimes he takes like Like ten years to make a movie like just thought that whole like there's just so much legend around him Or like the shining that he like terrorized. Yeah, what's her name?
Starting point is 00:29:58 Shelly, uh, shelly devol. Yeah. Yeah, he like was like horrible to although, although you know I don't think she was as I read something where she was lately where before she passed where she was like Wasn't his didn't seem better or anything about it even though it seemed like he was I think it's consistent with a lot of really Especially older on tour directors is there's like a sadism to how they treat everybody Yeah, and especially you know his movies of about that. And yeah, like with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman and as well, he kept Tom Cruise isolated from everybody. He wanted him in his head. He spent like a year just doing like therapy sessions with them and learning what his insecurities were so he could amplify those
Starting point is 00:30:35 when they were on camera. And then when he shoots the scene where Nicole Kidman's talking about how she fantasizes about cheating on him, he kept them alone in a room where there was no camera ops in there. They had cameras set up, but there was no one else in the room where there was no camera ops in there. They had cameras set up, but there was no one else in the room. And he just kept them in there for like the whole day. So that Tom Cruise really did feel like he was locked
Starting point is 00:30:53 into hearing this awful shit. Yeah, some hot sailor. It's like, that scene sticks with you. It seems so good, it's so good. It's like, it's just, yeah, it's just her describing, yeah, just a fantasy of just a sailor that she saw one time and it's fucked up. I haven't seen The Killing, someone mentioned The Killing.
Starting point is 00:31:11 People really liked that one and think it did a lot for crime and wire films and stuff. All right Chad, you're up with the next one. All right, this next one, I love this guy. Every time his movie, every time he has a movie, it's an event and you know he takes on This guy is epic. You know he controlled the lights in Chicago for one of his shoots I heard he he messes with time he messes with your head
Starting point is 00:31:36 He takes on huge subjects whether it's space dreams and Batman himself, I'm going Christopher Nolan. You guys don't like it. I think it's a good pick actually. No, I like it.
Starting point is 00:31:56 I like it. I'm just looking my chops, hoping that some people come back around to me. So I'm focused on my list. I've heard his style as patrician, glossy, aristocratic. He directs in his suit.
Starting point is 00:32:13 You know what I think he's the best at? Is cross cutting at huge scale and multiple settings. Like what do you think's the best Christopher Nolan scene? I think it's probably the one where you don't know if Rachel or Harvey is going to blow and the way he cuts between everybody and Batman in his motorcycle and the Joker in the interior. I mean, he's cutting between like four different settings. And the tension is just ramping up and ramping up.
Starting point is 00:32:44 And you're like What is and you really don't know and then when he pops in and then he does the shot of like Batman's POV Where you just see Harvey on there? You're like, oh fuck. He's gonna Rachel's gonna die Yeah, like and I think a lot of his movies. It's the way he cuts between different rooms places I'm Dunkirk the whole movies that yeah that. But he's so good at that. I got one for you that's that, where it's like all of Inception,
Starting point is 00:33:08 where you're cutting between the dreams. So you have them on the lower level where it's like the snow fortress. And then they cut to like Arthur working in like the fucked up gravity of his, like fighting in the hallway where it's rotating. And then it'll cut back to the car still dropping, and you're like, fuck! And every time they cut back to the car and the music's blasting you're like uh
Starting point is 00:33:29 Hans Zimmer just working it baby you're like oh man like the climax for that movie feels like 30 40 minutes because every time they cut back to the van going towards the water where they got to ride that jump out, or whatever it's called. Like it's so, and it's to your point of like just cutting between all those and just everything, like there's so much going on. Everyone's working, everyone's attention. Yeah, he's so fun. I think the criticism people make is that
Starting point is 00:34:00 his movies are like unbelievably big and well made, but that the ideas aren't as like provocative as the other directors we've met. I don't know. I don't know if I believe it. For me, it's just he's not as emotional as some of the other ones that I might've picked. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:34:19 But I don't, it's fine. Like he does what he does really well. He's an upper-class British guy. The rewatchability, I think. I mean, I mean, I rewatch Dark Knight, Interstellar, Inception, all the time. I only watch the third act of Interstellar though.
Starting point is 00:34:34 The first two acts, yes. Yeah. And then Dark Knight, yes. I watch the docking sequence. The docking, yeah. This is so sick, but. You know. And I like the idea that he messes with these things,
Starting point is 00:34:47 or that he, I like that he's taking on things like an interstellar, it's like quantum physics. It is, yeah. And it makes you think, and then. But I don't know if he really, I think he mentions those things, but then he kind of doesn't Like but then it turns into like it's about love or something
Starting point is 00:35:15 Like I like inception is like I mean inception is crazy. It's a crazy idea now people say incepted so yes He's got influence. That's my favorite movie. I feel like Inception I feel like it's just backlash and it'll come back around because that movie is Fucking great. Like you talk about like dude the amount of times we like the amount of times in that movie where you just went whoa Like that was one where I like I described as like mine bombs going off The trailer was the first one ever used that noise. I was like wall Villain away without yeah, like that was like that changed trailersaah. Oh my god. It's like, bong. There's no any villain away without, like, yeah. That was like, that changed trailers for the next 10 years, easy.
Starting point is 00:35:49 But, and like now it's all in films throughout. It's just cut to a dude ripping up, bong. I feel like it was, I feel like everyone just watched Inception too much that they started to be over it. Yeah, they did, right. But like, it fucking rules. It's so fun. When you rewatch it,
Starting point is 00:36:01 it does feel a little, like, thinner. Yeah, when you watch it for the 30th time,'re like oh I see that plot hole now yeah but you watched it 30 times movies get richer after 30 viewings that's true that's yeah but no no if you watch Jackie Brown 30 times or you watch like Michael Clayton you know I mean like it's just like but I don't know I just do sunset I just can't tell with with with Nolan we've maybe talked about a little before I'm like it's just like but I don't know I just Sunset I just can't tell with with with Nolan We've maybe talked about a little before I'm like just stop playing with Thematically he plays with time in so many different ways. I'm over it in the Odyssey
Starting point is 00:36:34 But are you over it because you watch it so many times? No, no, no, no, like it was new at the time It was a good count an inception Chad's on his game. When inception came out It was an event everyone was talking about interstellar everyone was talking about now you're over it because it's I feel like it don't come around mad because Maybe mad maybe mad with the cascading timelines and it's like a day and hour and you look back and you're like Oh that is smart and it's like just give me an ad to the movie in that instance Not much. Spielberg did Dunkirk?
Starting point is 00:37:06 Dunkirk was a disappointment. Give it to me baby Spielberg. Yeah give me Dunkirk. Give me Tom Hardy the whole time. If Dunkirk was two hours of Tom Hardy in the plane it'd be my favorite movie ever. You cover his face in every movie and Batman you cover his face and Dunkirk you cover his face. Not Inception. Let me look at his lips.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Not Inception dude. That's why it's a good movie. I think Chad's right though when he says it's an event. I can remember who I was with for every Nolan movie when we went we saw inception in suits the Dark Knight I think 30 of us went to see that yes interstellar. We went to the It's a big day I'll go see all like I'll wait to make sure that I see it on like legit I'm act because that's how Nolan wants me to do it and I he's done so much for me that I have a lot of
Starting point is 00:37:44 Fun in his movies that I'll see it how you want me to see it Chris And he's done so much for me that I have a lot of fun in his movies that I'll see it how you want me to see it, Chris Nolan, because you've earned that right. And he's one of the few guys where it's still like, hey, he made a movie, we have to go. We have to go. Well, I mean, yeah, Oppenheimer was huge. Yes.
Starting point is 00:37:56 A little bit of a disappointment, but. You know, after the fact, I was like, didn't need to see that in IMAG. Just close up of Cillian Murphy on the big screen. And I'm like, you know, like, all right, look, the same. The same Interstellar. Yeah, but I mean, there's one, how epic it is in Interstellar when he starts spinning the ship, the music that goes along with that when he's trying to dock with the spinning. It's one of the best, it's such a fun scene. I'll be watching it on the planet and it'll be like,
Starting point is 00:38:25 and you're like, oh. It's unreal. You just skip to that. Because we've talked about it so much, it's amping the pickup now, so I gotta end it with one more zinger. Oh, here we go. I think he's bad at directing,
Starting point is 00:38:42 like physical action, fist fighting and running. Right, right, right. It's real uncoordinated, you lose where you're at all the time, you're like, what, and then, I mean there's famous moments of it now that maybe because people like in like Dark Knight Rises, Batman, Bane misses, punches a wall, Batman skirts away, and then Bane, when no one's there,
Starting point is 00:39:01 swings and hits the wall again. No, he punches, because he's frustrated, so yeah, that part rules. That part rules. But he does it. With his action moves a little bit. Look, I get it. Like Batman looks a little, Batman looks like he's stuck
Starting point is 00:39:14 in a rubber suit. It's an insomnia too. Like he looks like he's wearing a suit where he can't turn his neck. And like Tenet has the problem of somebody, somebody fighting forwards and somebody fighting backwards, you can't tell who's throwing punches. So it just, it looks like, it looks like the fight in Team America
Starting point is 00:39:31 where the two, where the two dolls, like are just going, and I don't know, that's like all the fight scenes. And he took the, with Batman, he took the superhero movie to the next, like they're kind of like a little cheesy beforehand. And he told you they're kind of cheesy after. He made the grounded superhero movie,
Starting point is 00:39:49 like became a thing that happened for years later where they're like, yeah, no, we're gonna do like, the amount of people that were probably, we'll all do like the grounded, gritty superhero take. They all got that from Batman Begins. He totally figured out a new way to do a superhero movie that people hadn't done before. And then Marvel comes along later doing, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:08 the glossier action comedy version. And like, I don't even think you would have gotten that, had the Dark Knight, or Batman Begins not set the other, like the opposite aesthetic for it. He's a beast. All right, that was a great pick, man. With this next one, oh man, I uh. That Strider licking his lips.
Starting point is 00:40:30 I know I'm going to lose out on some bros I really love. You know what actually, I'll let one of you guys have it. I'm going hard today. I'm going with, look I grew up watching movies and I had the distinct honor of getting to grow up watching movies with this guy. I mean what's better than having a bro when you're watching some flicks and you guys can turn and experience them together? And so in honor of that tradition, I'm going with a brother combo that has been described
Starting point is 00:41:01 as two brains and one mouth. That's what I would take. I'm going with guys who have been making masterful films for 40 years. Are they heartless? Do they make movies that anger me? Do they perpetuate an idea of meaningless and the futility of control? Yeah, but they do it with a level of joy and absurdity and with intelligence that they are just undeniable geniuses and I'm grateful
Starting point is 00:41:27 to be walking the earth getting to check out their shit. I'm going with the Coen brothers baby. It's good to be back to it. I knew this was gonna come to me but I was hoping. This is for when you said who was in my top three it was the Coen brothers. I was hoping to get them on the way back. That was a great description. I don't even know who you were gonna take besides them like this is exactly who I would have taken the Coen brothers. I was gonna go know who you were gonna take besides them. This is exactly who I would have taken, the Coen brothers. I was gonna go older, but I mean, just Joel and Ethan. It's like, what else do you need besides,
Starting point is 00:41:50 put these two movies up, right? No Country, The Big Lebowski. Yeah. Incredible, yes. I mean, just between those, just like, and then get everything in between, you know what I mean? Like a fucking hilarious stoner comedy, and then one of the darkest, wonderful movies that you'll ever see, like fucked up,
Starting point is 00:42:13 western-y kind of vibe. There are two masterpieces done by the same dudes that are completely different. And dude, if you watch No Country For All Men, you're like, oh, you guys could have been the best action movie directors of all time if you watch no country for all men you're like oh you guys could have been the best action movie directors Of all time if you wanted it Yeah
Starting point is 00:42:27 Like it they'd be the best in any genre if they want but they want to just make like annoying Literary movies that just like you're like life sucks you suck. I'm like, you know what? You're so good at doing it I'll let you like the fact that they get all these movies made is crazy. Yeah, their movies are such bitter pills You're like who financed Inside Lewin Davis. I'm like well thank god they did because it's like oh that movie's great. Oh it's their best late period. And they just, the goofiness they bring to some movies. It's so like you know when you're watching a movie and you're like you can just feel that the director, in this case directors, have
Starting point is 00:43:05 such a strong perception or understanding of what they like and they're throwing it in there. And so when you watch their movies, it's like that absurdity that they throw in there is you're like, it's so unique to them. You almost automatically know that it's a Coen brother movie. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, you almost automatically know that it's a Coen brother movie. And then, like such interesting choices, like no music on no country, or no score.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Dude, just found out that my wife hasn't seen that. What a country. And I was like, you're in for such a fucking treat. Also, no wonder you don't love Javier Bardem as much as I do. She's like, I love Javier Bardem. I'm like, yeah, but it's not enough. You don't love him enough Bardem as much as I do. She's like, I love Javier Bardem. I'm like, yeah, but it's not enough. You don't love him enough. You just see his best character.
Starting point is 00:43:48 Because you've seen, like, yeah, you've seen Vicky Christina, but you haven't seen Anton Chigurh. That's like, he's so fucking weird. Babe, you want to get horny? Check out Anton Chigurh. Well, that's the thing. She's got the hornyness version. Now you need to see the other side.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Dude, like, no country. I mean, talking about the futility of control, lots of their movies are about a guy who finds money and tries to like make it happen, maybe, you know. And again, like Gangs of New York, you think, all right, collision course, bad guy, good guy. They're gonna hit on the head at some point. And then by the end of second act,
Starting point is 00:44:19 they kill off the main character and you're like, what? But there's such good filmmakers, instead of that being disappointed, it actually makes the whole thing work. you're like, what? But there's such good filmmakers, instead of that being disappointed, it actually makes the whole thing work. You're like, oh. Also talking about influential. You don't get your hero's journey every time. Sometimes that gets thwarted.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Dark small town, somebody finds a pile of money. Like, I don't know if they invented that, but they definitely like made it big. And that's one of like the most enduring like premises to movies. Like you will see of like the most enduring like premises to movies. Like you will see a movie that starts with that premise every year and that'll happen for eternity it feels like.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Yeah, the corrupting elements of money and then the corrupting element of control. Like trying to be like, oh, I can make this happen. And I mean, just the dialogue in Fargo too. From when I was a kid, like I still say darn tootin Like there's just like Specificity yeah, you know any mean like so many people yeah, like you bring up Fargo and they go oh Yeah, what shipper like it's like like it's just it was such a cultural touchstone For so many for like people our age up to our parents age and beyond you know any mean like who just like
Starting point is 00:45:23 And I love Miller's Crossing. It's not as it's not as well known but it is such a good fucking movie it's so good. I mean the writing in that one and then this one that I saw in the field was still their DP and like that one is and that action scene with Albert Finney is to your point about like they could have been the best action like it's like this old like kind of bumbling crime boss and you're like half the movie you're wondering, how the fuck is this guy in charge? And then guys break into his house to try and murder him.
Starting point is 00:45:49 And it's the sickest action scene with an old guy as like, it's like their version of a taken scene and it's fucking awesome. It just ends with him just laying waste with a Tommy gun. Ah, it's so sick. I love their movies. I like Burn After Reading too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:08 Brad Pitt and Burn After Reading, I just get so much joy out of that performance. That's like an intentionally like confounding movie too, where especially after they do a masterpiece like No Country or Fargo, they always come back and they're like, we're just gonna weird you out with this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:22 And now the bros are separated and it's funny watching their movies because you really see how much they need each other because Ethan's movies are too absurd and kind of don't have enough grounding and then Joel's movies are too heavy and like portentous and you're like, oh y'all we're like balancing each other. Yeah, you need to get the band back together.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Intolerable cruelty, I do like that movie. It's kind of, I get it if you don't, cause it's a lot, but I don't know. I really like that movie. Who, are they back together now? No, they're still doing their own. Like Joel did Macbeth and Ethan did Drive Away Dolls. And then he just had another one come out
Starting point is 00:47:00 that I haven't seen. I watched Macbeth in theaters. I was more just like, I was like, I need to see this. I need to see Denzel do Macbeth. Doing Shakespeare. Yeah. I think it's a great pick. I regret not picking them out.
Starting point is 00:47:13 You know what's interesting is they aren't mentioned that much in like, as much as they should be, I don't think, in like some YouTube videos or lists. It's like they're farther down the list than I think. They're like a top tier. There's some 70s guys who get ranked ahead of them, but I don't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Like they're crazy. They're crazy good. Strider, you're up. All right. That's exactly what it would have taken. Damn. That's tough. All right, I've had time to think about it.
Starting point is 00:47:45 You're over here going on a case driver. Why are you so quiet? You know, maybe it's because I'm captured and enthralled with suspense. And I will now take the master of suspense. This is chalk for all the dads out there. I gotta go with Alfred Hitchcock. I just rewatched Rear Window last night
Starting point is 00:48:10 and I couldn't understand why Grace Kelly's into the dude. What's the name of the actor again? The famous actor James. James Stewart. Yeah, Jimmy Stewart. I'm like, this guy's annoying. And then Grace Kelly just comes over, total smoke show, just to hang out, dude.
Starting point is 00:48:24 But I mean You know, this is like film head chalk here, you know, you got bird This is a movie like that. My dad's like, okay, you got to watch this you got what we got to watch the birds great movie You know, of course, I don't know. Maybe the number one horror film of all time Psycho ever heard of it? Just iconic scenery, iconic cinematography. I don't know, dude, the guy moves the camera well. I guess he mastered the push zoom, I read that.
Starting point is 00:48:54 But yeah, dude, the guy makes fucking films, bro. Let's get into this baby. The way they filmed The Fall in Vertigo, I remember I was at Universal Studios as a kid and they were showing us that. I was like, whoa. And then I was at Universal Studios as a kid and they were showing us that. I was like, whoa. And then I was so pissed because they recreated the psycho scene where she gets stabbed and shot.
Starting point is 00:49:11 My mom covered my eyes for that and I'm still mad at her for it. I'm like, why did you do that? Dude, if I was a little kid next to you, I would've turned you into a fucking nerd. I know, I was like, mom, stop. Dude, Ropes of Fun, Rear Window is a wonderful movie. Just a guy who's stuck, he's like temporarily in a wheelchair and he starts to suspect that one of his neighbors is a murderer, but he can't move.
Starting point is 00:49:38 And so he's just looking out his window. It's basically like Disturbia is just a version of that. For sure. You know, which is like, it's such a fun concept. It's so intense. Rope is basically just the play, it's awesome. North by Northwest is super fun. I mean, he's just, he's the man.
Starting point is 00:49:55 He did a lot of good movies. You know, he said interestingly, my films are not slice of life, they're a piece of cake. Dude. And I think he had such maybe of any director the best understanding of how our brains work like I don't think his films are is people do like psycho analyze them and get into kind of like the Freudian stuff because he was like obsessed with punishing women and like Yeah, he said like blonde women die best on camera blonde women die best on camera. Oh, interesting.
Starting point is 00:50:23 But like, Debatable. Every woman's blonde in rear window. But yeah, but you can discount it. He loves blondes. And then you realize, except his movie's RIP and we're still talking about him, so maybe we should just listen to him.
Starting point is 00:50:32 But I think more than any filmmaker, like dude, just strapped you into a roller coaster of suspense. And he, more than anybody, made your brain. When you're watching his movies, it's like the tick tick of the roller coaster, and you're like, wait, what's coming next what's coming next and he just keeps you on that with the subjective camera and all the tricks he
Starting point is 00:50:50 uses and I don't know I think in terms of just putting you into an experience he's the best. And the kind of the how do you say like the mystique around him like he's he's like kind of like when you think of like old school classic film like immediately you go to Alfred Hitchcock yeah there are other ones but they're they don't have the mystique he always had he always put a cameo of himself in there so people like look for it you know like yeah he did like he definitely built up his legend yeah and his look too he's yeah so weird and you're like what is going on in your brain cuz yeah it's obviously
Starting point is 00:51:24 fucked up. And his movies are not boring. Like dude, Psycho, I watched it for the first time. My fiance is a huge fan. Bro, I watched it before the horror movie draft as prep. And that was my first time. The pace is crazy. And like, it's super, it starts off,
Starting point is 00:51:38 it's people having an affair. And you're like, okay, that's fun. Then the next scene, she's stealing money and escaping town. And so you're not thinking this, that's fun. Then the next scene, she's stealing money and escaping town. And so you're not thinking this is a slasher movie. You're like, oh, this is like a woman on the run like Thelma and Louise kind of movie. That next thing you know, she's at a hotel
Starting point is 00:51:56 and you're like, this guy's kind of creepy, but it seems like he's just pent up. Maybe she's gonna teach him how to live life. And then he murders her. It's like, it switches genres three times on you and you lose the main character a lot of these greatest directors do this The main character is gone 47 minutes in it's um You wouldn't think that of a movie that came out like in 1950 or something. It's crazy I
Starting point is 00:52:19 Don't know just uh You can tell that they're older but like they age extremely well because they're well plotted. The pacing's great. Like, master of suspense, like all those things. It's modern, yeah. The setup still feels modern. Because sometimes you watch, I don't know, I have a bias towards movies from the 80s on,
Starting point is 00:52:36 just because I feel like the pace is a lot faster than them, but sometimes you'll watch an old movie and you're like, and it feels old, and sometimes you'll watch an old movie and you're like, this feels, this would totally work nowadays Like yeah, it looks older and like they speak a little differently But like it definitely feels like it could have worked now Yeah, when she's driving away in psycho from town and the windows are murky you can't you're like dude
Starting point is 00:52:55 We don't know where we're going you just stole something We're going into the heart of darkness, then she wakes up in a fucking he was always suspicious of cops ahead of his time that way And I'm not a cab though, but like a huge cop head pops in the window dude, and and you're like you better get to that hotel It's um yeah, just really great for the movie notorious You weren't allowed there there was a code I think it was the Hayes code like you weren't allowed to like make out for that long like they had they literally had a time limit How long you could kiss on screen so what he did if you watched the movie, the dialogue between the male actor and the main female actress, they're almost lip to lip the whole movie and they just do little
Starting point is 00:53:36 peppery little baby kisses and it's super intimate. And that's how he got around. He's like, oh, just have them kiss throughout the whole scene, but they won't kiss for longer than a second because, and that's how I'll do it. Amazing All right, what a beast Chris you're up with two picks. This is a very tough spot brother, man I got a nice and smoke some weed. I Have to pee too do it guys. We just started this new podcast channel. Thank you so much for watching It means a lot, it would mean a lot if you could drop a like or a comment or subscribe
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Starting point is 00:55:54 that I really want. I feel like I had to go with Hitchcock there, but there was a few names where I'm like, there's a director that I want to fall. Just to rib you a little bit, bro, how many Hitchcock movies have you seen? Fuck I think I'm gonna go I'm gonna go
Starting point is 00:56:16 David Fincher James Cameron. Oh He just rattles him off like a baby back top. Yeah, let's go. Let's go one at a time. So Fincher deed Oh, and he just rattles them off like a baby back top back. Let's go one at a time, dude. Okay, so Fincher, dude. Love the social network, love the soundtrack. Maybe it's because I watched the second half of Fight Club like a week ago, because there was on TV. I forgot he was Fight Club.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Yeah. Every bro's favorite movie at some point, the sublime of the films. The last, like when he's looking, when he's trying to track down Tyler to the twist to the end of the movie, I don't know if there's a more fun because he does the thing is There's I don't know if there's a more fun like 40 minutes in any movie
Starting point is 00:56:52 But like he's he does suspense incredibly well He does creepy his movies will make you feel gross and stick with you But he also can do super fucking fun like Gone Girl is such a fun movie. Fight Club for as icky as it can make you feel and it just kind of looks gross. Like everything is like, everything feels like it's covered in goo.
Starting point is 00:57:14 You know, like dark nasty oil. Like the whole movie looks like that. But it's still so fucking fun and the performances are so fun. He just, I don't know. I don't know. Seven is just so creepy. Zodiac. Zodiac's incredible. Zodiac, that movie dude is underrated.
Starting point is 00:57:34 That's a creepy movie, dude. The scene when the woman gets pulled over on the highway and then like he leaves. It's giving me anxiety thinking about it. Yeah. And he's just done and then he's also just got some like Seven the way he uses that Vivaldi score in seven incredible dude and even like I don't love girl with the dragon tattoo But it's a fun fucking movie. The killer was really fun. Yeah the social network He took a subject like that could he could have made a really boring movie, but like you watch it
Starting point is 00:58:03 It's so you're watching it the whole time, you're just captivated the entire time. I think that's one of my favorite movies. Did he do Lord of the Dogtown? No. He produced it. Dude, you know what? He's the best at when a character learns information,
Starting point is 00:58:16 the closeup on the actor's face, and so in Zodiac, creepiest scene, right, is the basement scene. Yeah. And when he- Not a lot of basements in California. That's creepiest scene, right, is the basement scene with. Yeah. And when when he not a lot of not a lot of basements in California, not a scene. Exactly. Is he saying there's not a lot of and then he goes, yeah, but I have one. And then you just see Jill and Hall's face react to it. Or then like in Gone Girl, when Rosamond Pike is watching Ben Affleck
Starting point is 00:58:39 be nice about her on TV and she's like, and then it cuts over to what's the kids? Neil Patrick, Neil Patrick Harrison, he looks at her and he's like, and then it cuts over to, what's the kids, Neil Patrick Harrison. He looks at her and he's like, he can see her changing. And then he turns off, like he's so good at just capturing like new information on people's faces. He's also known for being a bit of a psycho doing a lot of takes. I think, yeah, I think because he's waiting for it.
Starting point is 00:59:02 He's like, he's like, he's like, you got to match up. Your face hasn't given me the right stuff yet. So he knows what he wants. It's nice to have one of those people on my list. You know, the very, the very meticulous, meticulous and like, you know, maybe an asshole, you know, but his movies are fucking great. I mean, dude, uh, fight club too. I know it's more the writer, what's his name, Chuck Palin? Polonic or something? But like the philosophy behind it, like the philosophy behind Tyler Durden
Starting point is 00:59:32 and like that kinda, you know, there's so many, there's, I mean tons of movies have been analyzed but Fight Club I think is one of the most deeply analyzed movies just for its philosophy on like, oh yeah, it was, I mean, N nihilism and all that kind of stuff. The influence of it was crazy. Like Strider said, you know, every dude had a poster of it in his room.
Starting point is 00:59:51 And his camera work is like, he's described it as coldly omniscient. Whoa. Like the camera always knows where you're going before you do. So it feels like all this stuff was gonna happen no matter what. Like these characters are on a track and they're reacting to it and we're seeing their reactions to it never does handheld only does it once in a while
Starting point is 01:00:11 Which is pretty unique and I do love the social network man. That movie's awesome. I mean, yes a seven gone girl Fight club zodiac social no, I'd say those are his bad Those five like absolute bangers right and then you just kind of like, beyond that, like The Killer, Panic Room, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, like not, I don't think they're as good. Benjamin Button, like they're not as good as his other movies, but like,
Starting point is 01:00:36 they just kind of help fill out the oeuvre, you know? Yeah, they do. And his movies are cool. They got interesting colors, right? A lot of yellows. The sequence in Benjamin Button where he does like her, how she hurts her leg is pretty amazing. I remember being like, wow,
Starting point is 01:00:50 they did that in an interesting way. Like in a movie about like time going backwards, he like does a micro time going backwards for that character and it was like really impressive. And then dude, social network when Zuckerberg's coding, but then he's cutting to all the elite club parties and you're like, oh, that's where he wants to. And that soundtrack that he chooses for that
Starting point is 01:01:08 with like the beats going. Yeah, dude. Oh, Trent Reznor, fuck, that's so sick. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen Benjamin Button. I like Dragon Tattoo. I've watched that a couple times. Dragon Tattoo has a woman kicking a dildo
Starting point is 01:01:21 into a guy's ass. He ripped her. Yeah. So that alone is like this movie, this movie's pretty chill. And it came out on Christmas. The tattoo she gives him. Yeah. You know what I like most about that movie
Starting point is 01:01:32 is I liked Daniel Craig's style. Yeah, his style. The clothes he was wearing. I was like, dude, I wanna dress like that, dude. He always wears, him and Owen always have good dressed dudes. Yeah. And I remember too. Masculine to be well dressed.
Starting point is 01:01:45 When I was younger I would watch just like clips of Tyler Durden when he'd just be like, Oh, dude. And you're like, I want to be like that kind of dude where I'm just like, don't give a fuck. And I can say like, I can just dance while there's cops running through the hallway. Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:01:59 And the ending of that movie with the, where is my mind playing and the buildings going? Yeah. It's so funny. You know, the girl, the dragon tattoo and zodiac have similar scenes too, where there's that scene where Daniel Craig gets stuck with Stellan Scarch, guys. He's like, why did you come down here?
Starting point is 01:02:16 Like you knew that I was potentially a murderer, but you came down here because you didn't want to make it awkward. And then Gyllenhaal has the same thing with the basement scene. And I think that's something he's like really interested in is like our own lurid fascination with like death and ugliness always pulls us into bad spots.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Gone Girl has some of that too. It's interesting I think. I think that's amazing. Who's next? We're watching Go To May Relay. I did James Cameron next. And for me it's just epic. Like I did the two movies for the Coen brothers.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Let's put Terminator 2 over here and let's put Titanic over here. Yeah, isn't Titanic like the most awarding decorated movie of all time maybe? I mean those two movies alone, because he actually actually doesn't he hasn't made a ton of movies But they're sick yeah, and t2 is just the dopest it's one of the most fun movies you'll ever see it's unreal It also feels smart. You know it's like got like it's like about stuff while just being like the most fun action movie He's the best at this Universal thing what's the biggest theme possible here like He's the best at this universal. What's the biggest theme possible here?
Starting point is 01:03:27 Like what's the thing that everyone's going to understand and then cutting edge technology. Yeah. Smash them together. Yeah. You got a trillion dollar movie. And then Titanic. I mean it's just it's just one of the best movies.
Starting point is 01:03:43 The best the best song for a movie of all time. You know, like that's, you're never gonna beat My Heart Will Go On. It's the greatest song ever made for a movie. Dude, the Titanic sinking, even though it was made in 97, it still works. Like I don't think they could have made it any better today. And yeah, a love story on the Titanic.
Starting point is 01:04:04 He's penniless. She's from the rich aristocracy, you know? She's got a shithead fiance. It makes sense right away. It's so good. And then you just, and then like Avatar, very fun. It's not like one of the greatest movies ever, but it's super fun and watchable. Same with True Lies, The First Terminator Rules,
Starting point is 01:04:25 The Abyss. He's made other good movies and then he's made two of the greatest movies of all time in completely different genres. It's crazy how few movies he's made. Because he spends so much time on the technology. He's almost more into the tech than the movies sometimes. Yeah, that's what's awesome. Like Titanic and Avatar. He's just in into the tech than the movies sometimes. So yeah, that's like Titanic and Avatar He's just in a room like being like how can we make the computer graphics do more of this? I mean, that's like yeah, even I mean like I think Tarantino's and he's obsessed with underwater stuff He loves being underwater and then dude He's instincts as a writer or crazy like like Avatar 2 which was sick and just has like that 40 minute digression where we just go To the water Navi and I was like this is amazing and the water not be or hot because he just understands how to make things hot
Starting point is 01:05:08 No matter it's under like you are But like the beginning of the movie where I'm like do why I have a tar too What is even this movie gonna be about and then the bad guy from the first one's kid is now living with the Navi and right Away, I'm like I'm hooked. I mean, this is so smart and Interesting do you don't keep seeing all those Avatar movies and theaters and that's another one where it's like you want me to see this and how whatever format you want like I'm down dude however you want me to do it I'll do it because like you know what you're talking about and I'm along for the ride so let me do it and
Starting point is 01:05:38 do the end of t2 where Arnold bro now I know why, now I know why you cry. Yeah, come on man. A robot? And 10 minutes before that, that's like, I think I talked about this on the action movie draft. Dude, when he's on top of the big rig with the assault rifle and he's just unloading into the T-1000 and you just see the muzzle flash,
Starting point is 01:06:01 it's just getting lit up, it's so fucking sick. And that bad guy, Liquid Metal is the bad guy. You're like, how do you stop? Best bad guy, you're like, how do you stop this thing? And he's like, dude, you freeze it, but fuck, we're in a fucking smelting factory. Shit. He'd probably be.
Starting point is 01:06:16 The one place that he can't be, he's like, that's where we are. And it totally rips. He'd probably be top four if he made more movies. I know, I know. But you know what, he's probably, I wonder, I think he's outgrossed all, like, you know. Yeah, you gotta put everyone that's been taken so far
Starting point is 01:06:35 against James Cameron. And always strong female leads. Yeah. Yeah, he friggin' loves chicks, dude. He does. Unlike Chris Nolan. And was married to another director that might come up who's hot and good at making movies. Makes good movies for dudes.
Starting point is 01:06:49 Alright, I gotta pick. Great pick. Strider, you're up. Alright. I see some of the people on your list. There's no way you're picking so much. No, these are my sleepers dude, don't worry. Oh yeah, oh yeah. You're just right now looking at Jim Jarmusch's name right there. I'm not picking Jim Jarmusch. That's a sleepy sleeper, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:06 That's for you, dude. That's for you, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's to throw you off, bro. That's funny. Oh, shit, man. Collective box office, two million dollars. Yeah, exactly, dude.
Starting point is 01:07:17 He does make good movies. Oh, yeah, because we watched Broken Flowers together. That's a great movie. And we talked about it, and we pitched a show together where you reference it. I'm like, oh, this guy's legit. I was like I need to know this. All right, dude. I mean, shit, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:28 There's a few directions where I want to go right now where I'm like minus the chat, Jake, because they're giving away too much. Yeah, thank you. Don't worry. Dude, I'm like, you know, it's crunch time baby. I've got a horror guy on there. I've got Tarantino who's just a beast. Do I wanna start going into some genre stuff here
Starting point is 01:07:50 and getting a little sleepy? Or do I just wanna get a guy right now that has done two of my favorite movies? He's also done some movies that I don't know about. I think that's a good fit for you. He does great characters. It's true to you. He does great care you might not know who I'm talking about I know who you're talking about I watch
Starting point is 01:08:07 this movie a lot but it's not necessarily a movie that you should rewatch also this guy in JT has a quote for this director he says no one puts information on a screen better you go the way he has moved the camera he set up an entire world in one shot. I got a look at my list. What? Then there's another director right now who's done probably my favorite franchise of all time. Bro. Then there's a comedy guy on here that I might want to get.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Oh. Oh. There's a comedy here guy that but I'm at wait interesting. And you know what our people are gonna be mad at our list because we don't have like, look, we're all subscribing to the Artora theory. We all believe in what Andre Bazin established that the director is the the linchpin of cinematic storytelling. But we are missing.
Starting point is 01:08:58 We're going to be missing a lot of the the foreign greats. So if you're on here expecting those guys, you're not going to get them. All right. This is American centric post greats. So if you're on here expecting those guys, you're not gonna get them. All right, this is American-centric post 1970s century. American and British. Yeah. There's gonna be a lot of them. And modern.
Starting point is 01:09:15 So sorry if you're like, hey, where's a, Swedish existentialist who reflected on his nightmares and dreams in a way that is still provokes. It's not happening. I was never gonna pick that. Like, I got a couple guys that have grossed over a billion. You know? Money talks, baby.
Starting point is 01:09:32 We're capitalists, all right? If those movies were so great, how come they're only on Criterion? I think... Look, I get it, but, like, you know, I just ain't watching them a lot. And rewatchability is just so huge for me. It's huge.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Oh, dude, look, the chat had Nolan and Cohen tied in the diggy, the picky. I got to go with this guy. Seen a lot of his movies. It pains me because there's a guy that I want to come back. But I feel like that kind of puts my list kind of one note if I do this. But I think he's a beast. He's a master of practicality. He took horror and put it into suburban neighborhood.
Starting point is 01:10:10 The guy does a soundtrack very well. I'm going John Carpenter. Oh, wow. Great pick, man. I was wondering if he was gonna get taken. That's really smart, dude. And he's not on a lot of lists, actually. No, he's not.
Starting point is 01:10:21 I texted some buddies, okay. Joe Pella's not one of them. Did Joe say this? He did say, I texted some buddies. Okay, and you probably don't want to know what I talked about He did say I actually didn't text him but I know Joe is a John Carpenter guy But like the thing all-time suspense incredible and then fun movies with like Escape from New York the snake pliskin fun ideas Halloween in a little Chinatown. One of the most fun action movies that's just like an ephemeral like Trouble in little Chinatown. One of the most fun action movies that's just like an ephemeral like fun just start to finish. Starman the Jeff Bridges movie where he plays an alien who takes the form of a woman's dead
Starting point is 01:10:52 husband and they go on like a road trip running from the government. Super fun movie. Jeff Bridges said he bases his performance on a bird. Really? Okay dude a lot of great acting performances. What's his name? Ace Ventura. Jim Carrey said he based it on a bird. performances. What's his name? Ace Ventura. Jim Carrey said he based it on a bird.
Starting point is 01:11:07 And then who's the psycho? Anthony Hopkins said he based his performance on a bird. And I think Joaquin Phoenix said something like that too for Joker. Oh, interesting. Escape from LA, that one stuck with me as a kid. We didn't. When he catches the wave.
Starting point is 01:11:22 I still don't know if I've seen all of Escape from New York, but I've seen escape from LA 20 times did the weird plastic surgery people I Also I like I've gotten it a couple times where I you know I get push stories on IG that apparently Kurt Russell hit all those shots in the basketball Where they're like, this guy actually sucked at the sport.
Starting point is 01:11:47 They're actually like, you know what? Charlie Sheen could throw a 90. Or like, you know. No, he couldn't. No way. I think they're publicists. That's what they say. Totally.
Starting point is 01:11:54 They're like, hey, he's going to do this movie, but you got to say he was good at the sport. Well, I'm also like, I'm like, sure, I'd like to believe it, because Kurt Russell's the fucking man. Yeah. And I should have taken him on the hot guy draft. It's a great pick, dude I love that you went personal doggy cuz uh Dude the music is so good, and he does the music. Yes. He does it all
Starting point is 01:12:13 That's what I'm saying. He's like and he's I think he was like the first one to do like a lot of that like Synthesizer like for like the music set for like the score of a movie stranger things Stranger things blew it out and then like it's come back around and like it Carpenter did such a good job. Hold do He does concerts sometimes or he had in the past this concerts at like the ball Where like it's to the back or like clips of his movies and he does the scores from them, which sounds fucking and dude He um, he says he wrote music. He came out with a couple albums. I think with his son recently like last five ten years That's meant to be listened to when you drive through the Hollywood Hills. I did it one night it's pretty fun. Oh wow. It's just a cool day to hear like yeah it's the night you know. What I love too about it is in this
Starting point is 01:12:58 era of CGI and all this type of stuff which is can elevate the medium but the practical stuff that he uses like his like in the thing that it just looks extra creepy when the aliens like in like the paddle scene is just one of it's one of the all-time great like holy fuck yeah like I did not see that comment it's so fun in his misdirect where he'll have like the some like a in Halloween where the guy's like looking in his car right here and then all of a sudden fucking something comes out of here, just manipulating. Yeah. Really well.
Starting point is 01:13:30 And you know, really good like themes and ideas in all of his movies too. Like the body snatching one. Yeah, like they live is like, you know, you got to wear these sunglasses to be able to see what's really going on. Not everybody can see it. We're being taken over by zombies.
Starting point is 01:13:42 Like is that consumers and what's going on? It's um. And it's so funny. The movie's going on? It's um. And it's so funny. The movie's so funny. Oh the fight is unbelievable. That fight scene. You put those glasses on or you start eating that trash can.
Starting point is 01:13:52 And then it's just like a 15 minute fight that just, you just think it ends like five times. It's so good. Yeah, he's got a great sense of humor. All right. I'm up. Dudes, I gotta go chalk on this one with score says Ian Cohen brothers I have you know a set of directors that have had legendary careers that have spanned classics over multiple decades
Starting point is 01:14:13 With this next director. I'm going in the opposite direction This is someone who reached the highest of highs and they say when your legs go as a director you're done and this guy wore Himself out. He broke his back Making the greatest four movies stretch in cinema history He is the godfather of Filmmaking I'm going with Francis Ford Coppola. Yeah. Yeah. I mean come on the godfather. I mean do the thing with his movies especially with the Godfather movies, you're just sitting there chilling, watching it,
Starting point is 01:14:49 and you can feel the meaning. He's so good with mood. I can't even explain to you sometimes why the Godfather is so good. I just know when I'm watching him, like, holy shit, this is important and a lot is happening. Totally. And like, I feel, it's a novel.
Starting point is 01:15:03 That's what it is. It's, you know, he takes his time with the movie. He's going to Italy, we're coming back, Michael's in the mob, he's out of the mob. And by the end of it, what you feel isn't a movie. It's like a real American story. It's, to me, between those two, the conversation a little bit,
Starting point is 01:15:23 although I find that one a little hard to get through, an apocalypse now, the mood he was able to establish and the feeling he was able to imbue in you is beyond what any other filmmakers ever accomplished. It's been a while since I've watched the conversation, but it is a really good movie, and it's like, it's creepy. Like, it's like, it just has like, there's just this dread to it that it's just like,
Starting point is 01:15:43 that only like, guys who really know what they're doing can get that it that it's just like it that only like guys who really know what they're doing can get that where you're just like you're just watching like a normal dialogue scene like why does this feel so intense and heavy like they're not even talking about anything but it's just it's just imbued and it's awesome. The legend around the making of Apocalypse Now. Heart of Darkness dude. Yeah it's uh, just so quotable. I mean, Godfather, when you grow up, you always hear about the Godfather. That's like the first movie you hear about. You got to see the Godfather. It's the touchstone. Yeah, I
Starting point is 01:16:13 mean, Apocalypse Night, they were supposed to only shoot for like three months. It ended up taking more than a year. Martin Sheen had a heart attack. Fritz Ford Coppola went through a breakup. Everyone got sick, typhoons wiped out all the sets. But you know, Truffaut has this quote where he says, I only want to see films that are about the ecstasy or agony of making films. Mm. And I think Coppola lived his life exactly,
Starting point is 01:16:40 like he's like, dude, if I can't make it big and huge and memorable, it's just not worth it. And then he now he directs movies. He's so tired from those four movies. He directed all the rest of his movies. I think for the most part from his trailer. Yeah. He has a specially designed trailer and he just directs it from there. Amazing. I do.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Amazing. He's not even on. He can't even do it anymore. Another important, that's a short film, Captain EO with Michael Jackson where you have the 3D movie theater in Disneyland. Oh, he directed that? Yeah, he directed that. Amazing. I remember seeing it as a kid.
Starting point is 01:17:12 Yeah, yeah. So the theater moves with you and you're like, damn, he's all right, Michael, dance. That's hilarious. Dude, he famously may be a bit of a knock JT here. This guy's a great, they say famously Bob Evans, the famous producer, you know, Ryan Paramount. They say he's the one who really stitched together the version of the Godfather you love.
Starting point is 01:17:34 They said Coppola shot it, he shot it, but that movie is what it is, cause of Bob Evans. That's what they say. They say on the cutting room floor. What do they say about number two that I don't know what they say They say only Coppola gets credit for number three. No kidding No, no one loves Bob Evans more than me the kid stays in the picture is incredible wonderful storyteller I thought the facelift he got to do that movie in 92 actually worked pretty well
Starting point is 01:18:04 Creative producer there's no doubt about it um and you know when the first cut of Godfather 2 came out it was five hours so someone had to give notes I had to come down but I bet you there is the ledge look at a facelift um yeah that's interesting no I feel confident though I think love the smell of napalm in the morning take take the gun, leave the cannoli. The flights of the Valkyrie dude. Take the cannoli, leave the gun. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:31 The Wagner score to the helicopters coming in is just unreal dude. All right Chad, you're up with two picks. All right, I'm very excited to pick this next guy. This guy might have the most movies that I love to watch and rewatch and rewatch. You know, he makes epic movies, he makes fun movies. I'm going Ridley Scott. Yeah. Bro, that's a great pick. I thought you were going there too.
Starting point is 01:18:56 He was on my list, I had him big time. Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Thelma and Louise. Well, it's American Gangster. You know, Thelma and Louise. Well, it's American Gangster. You know, Thelma and Louise is the movie that puts them over the top for me. Yeah, agreed. For me, it's like another one where it's like, I picked two movies and it's like Thelma and Louise
Starting point is 01:19:14 and I'm gladiator. Like, cause I think those are just two best movies and they're so different. And then Blade Runner and Alien, which are also total classics. Fuck, I thought about taking that. And those four movies are so different from one another. Yeah. Yeah, he's the best.
Starting point is 01:19:31 I thought The Last Duel was good. American Gangster is good. Dude, The Martian's a great movie. The Martian. It's super fun. He did G.I. Jane? Yeah, maybe. Wow.
Starting point is 01:19:40 You know what's different about him than a lot of the other guys we've picked? A lot of the other guys we've picked are more like writer, director, auteurs where they're like, I've been obsessed with this subject forever, I wanna make this movie. And he's more of a director for hire, but he's the best director for hire.
Starting point is 01:19:53 Like if you're like, hey, we got Ridley Scott to do this, I'm like, well, this could be the best movie of the year. Yeah, and whenever I hear Ridley Scott movies coming out, I'm like, I gotta see it. The Martian. The Martian, I mean. Do we ever say that? Yeah, but it's just a super funny,
Starting point is 01:20:07 because it's like you take the person's great movies and he has, in a similar way that I talked about Spielberg where it's like he's so prolific, you know what I mean? And like he has like some great ones and then he has some like just good movies, you know what I mean? Where like, where like, cause if you're like,
Starting point is 01:20:23 If you're going desert island, you know what I mean? like you might like you might take a Spielberg or Ridley Scott over like the more Autori ones because they've just made so many movies and so many of them are at the very least good and plenty of them are Great and they're different too and they're different He's like all the Coen brother movies kind of feel like Coen brother But if you get Ridley Scott, you're like, oh, I feel like being light tonight. Yeah, I feel like being heavy Yeah, oh I haven't I have an alien. Oh, I forgot to talk about aliens with James Cameron Yeah, I just you thought that movie's so fucking awesome. But like with you have alien. It's like a horror movie in Space no one can hear you scream best tagline ever
Starting point is 01:20:59 But then you also have like, you know, just Thelma and Louise is like a road trip drama that has some comedy in it You know, and then gladiators just like the sickest fucking movie ever. Yeah, I mean Thelma Louise I just found it to be so delightful. Yeah, I was like blown. I was like I Love that movie. It gives me my favorite feeling after a movie where you just it's just that goofy It gives me my favorite feeling after a movie where you just, it's just that goofy, like giddiness. It's a beautiful movie. Which is crazy for a movie that ends like, on like a tragic note that it tells,
Starting point is 01:21:30 but it also feels empowering in a way. Yeah. It shows their way out. And he's a great commercial director. I think he did the famous Apple commercial from the 80s that like- Oh, where they shatter the thing? Yeah, and people say it's the greatest commercial
Starting point is 01:21:43 of all time. And then Black Hawk Down and Gladiator, I think those are two of the movies I've rewatched the most. Gladiator, when I saw that in theaters, that's up there with one of my top movie theater experiences. I saw it three times. Dude, White Squall bummed me out. White Squall is not his best,
Starting point is 01:22:04 but still, the thing is it's still watchable. Yeah, yeah. You're still watching it like, yeah, it's a good movie. It's not a good movie, but like it's like it's enjoyable. Kingdom of Heaven rips. Oh, bro, the speech in Kingdom of Heaven. Come on, dude. Like it's got its moments, you know, I don't think it's his best, but like it's super watchable.
Starting point is 01:22:17 Yeah. No, he's the man. Saladin. Okay. This next guy, I can't believe I got him in the four spot. I'm so pumped to pick him. He's a prodigy. He's you know, a legend still working today. He's got so many good movies. I'm going Paul Thomas Anderson. Damn, I would have taken him. Damn, that's great.
Starting point is 01:22:37 Yeah, Boogie Nights. Incredible. That's what I was saying when you put information on the screen. Boogie Nights is incredible. Magnolia when I watched that, I was blown away when I watched Magnolia. There will be blood. It's one of my favorites. Just those opening shots, like the, how beautiful those shots are. He's the devil coming out of the earth, out of the oil. This character is true evil.
Starting point is 01:22:59 Yeah, and it's like his sort of study of humanity is really interesting. The master, I watched the master when I was hungover. I need to re-watch it not hungover because when I watch it I was kind of like, this is just bumming me out. Oh dude. I think his later movies,
Starting point is 01:23:16 he's got a little too hermetic in a way where he's not thinking about the audience as much. And he's kind of lost his broader sensibility. But I think- Yeah. Inherent Vice was like that where I'm just like, I don't know, maybe it's because it's like how the book is supposed to be. But I haven't read the book. And I'm like, it's just unsatisfying. I read half the book.
Starting point is 01:23:35 Experience is a movie. I don't know. It wasn't that it was super faithful to the book either. It's definitely his own spin. Actually, no, Phantom Threat ruled out. I fucking loved Phantom Threat. And the movie rocked. Punch Drunk Love, I think, is a sleeper. Very good movie. Yeah, it's awesome. And dude, his dialogue. Yeah. And like just the crazy kind of Tourette's that all of his characters have. Yeah. Like, what's up, pig fuck? Like, yeah, Phil Seymour Hoffman. He's unreal, dude.
Starting point is 01:23:58 Oh, he's, and him and the master, that's when he says the pig fuck line. It's just like, yeah, he's so good. I think behind Spielberg, he's probably the second most instinctive filmmaker ever where like you're just like, you feel like he was born with a camera. You're like, you just know what you're doing at all times. And if I had, if my life was on the line and they were like, you gotta hire, maybe not for a movie altogether,
Starting point is 01:24:19 but they were like, you gotta hire one guy and he has to make the greatest scene of all time. And if he does, you live, I'd pick Paul Thomas Anderson. Like even though the master, all of it doesn't quite come together for me. Like the auditing scene where they're just- The first one with him and oh my God. Where they don't blink.
Starting point is 01:24:35 Like when I was watching that in theaters, I was like, how did they fucking achieve the insanity of this? And then Boogie Nights, the Alfred Molina scene with the firecrackers and stuff. Yeah, T'Jessie's girl playing in the background. Oh dude.
Starting point is 01:24:48 Just like, coked out, gonna rob a drug dealer. And how old was he when he did boogie nights? Probably like 27 or something. Something crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. Dude, the getting into the pool where the camera goes in the pool. The man, the first half of boogie nights. It's unreal.
Starting point is 01:25:03 Dude, the way that crane moves. You're having so much fun. Yeah. And then the second half, you're having the worst fucking time. But it's so good. Oh, dude, it's such a, yeah, it's such a let down. You really feel like, like just like everyone's just doing so much coke in that movie. And it's just like the anxiety from like that whole second half of just like everybody just kind of looks like shit.
Starting point is 01:25:21 And they're just like obviously too cooked up. Oh, it's so good. And he's. He's a He's a weirdo. He's unabashed about his weirdo nests. Like there's always perversion in his movies There's always like juvenile kind of like dick and potty humor But that's combined with like I know when I watch one of his movies like whether it's Phantom Threat or there will be but I'm Like I know this motherfucker read 6,000 books on fashion design or on the oil business Mm-hmm and knows everything about this thing. Yeah
Starting point is 01:25:49 Yeah, he's the man. I hope he his next movie looks like it could be We're coming back to banger town. I'm coming back to like boogie nights Magnolia. I'm really excited for it What is his next? It's Leo DiCaprio and The White City, you see how to I think no, it's like a in the White City. Benicio too, I think. No, it's like a weird like- It's got a long ass title, I can't like- Seems like it's about like an all right conspiracy guy. One battle after another. Oh, that looks good.
Starting point is 01:26:13 And I think in his trailers now he uses no footage that will be in the actual movie. Hilarious. How weird. I don't know, I don't, man, sometimes I feel hoodwinked by that. Yeah. It annoys me.
Starting point is 01:26:23 Dude, speaking of which, to go back to my Nolan, Nolan's taken on the Odyssey, which I'm excited for.ed by that. Yeah, I know his name did speak of which to go back to my Nolan Nolan's taking on the Odyssey Which I'm excited that should be Time so much it's gonna be so Yeah, maybe it all takes place at Calypso's Island and they don't know time is moving without whoa Oh yeah, maybe it all takes place at Calypso's Island and they don't know time is moving without them. Whoa, I'm annoyed. Yeah, I'm annoyed too. He's gonna be stuck on Cersei the Witch for too long.
Starting point is 01:26:50 Get out of here, dude. I'm gonna be annoyed. Anyway, dude, PTA is a great pick. Yeah, like you said, the scenes, like Inherent Vice, I don't really like that movie, but there's scenes in that movie where I'm like, this is incredible. The scene where Watterson comes back
Starting point is 01:27:02 and is seducing Joaquin Phoenix, you're like, dude. It's unreal unreal dude. Yeah, he's the best It's just his movies are all like they don't He's not worried about three-act structure the way some of these other guys are so you're just like dude. You're just really just You're just driving around on a bike in neighborhood. You're like I want to go look over here for a little go look over here for a bit I mean that opening I think it's the tracking shot and there will be blood. It's unreal.
Starting point is 01:27:26 There will be blood. We probably haven't talked about that enough. The opening tracking shot and boogie nights is unreal. Yeah. I mean it's I drink your milkshake. I drink it all. I love it dude. Well, he did.
Starting point is 01:27:36 Shrider often on a group text will send a lot of Daniel Plainview things as if he's Daniel Plainview and it works so well. It's my favorite. It's like when someone were like sometimes... I hate most people. I have a competition in me. I look around at people and I see that there's not much that I like. So good.
Starting point is 01:27:59 And man, the talk about just like a banger of a scene when he goes to Paul Dano's church. Oh, bro. I've abandoned my boy scene. Oh my Lord. Yeah, dude. about just like a banger of a scene when he goes to Paul Dano's church. Oh, bro. I've abandoned my boy scene. Oh my god, dude. I've abandoned my child. I've abandoned my boy. It's unreal, dude.
Starting point is 01:28:13 And he gets, and like, dude, any director that can get Daniel Day-Lewis to work, like, thank you, because he's such a good actor and he only, you know, he retires after every movie now just to come, just to unretire and do like, you know, a super famous person's movie. But like, it's awesome because they're usually really great performances. Like, they're just like a fucking dressmaker. You're like, this psycho is awesome. I love watching. It's incredible. So specific. Yeah, it's the best. Great pic. I think it was PTA great pick did
Starting point is 01:28:46 Yeah, it was a good one So you're gonna take for gonna Wes Anderson do Well, you know, it's crazy is like and If you would have just and talk about getting like her medic and getting too far up your butt with like what you're into and not Enough with the audience is do if you do Wes Anderson after bottle rocket Rush more and Royal Tenen the audiences. If you do Wes Anderson after Bottle Rocket, Rushmore and Royal Tenenbaums, you would have said he's gonna,
Starting point is 01:29:08 Scorsese had him pinned as like, he's gonna be the director of this era. And like, you know, now he does like New Yorker articles for movies and you're just like asleep just watching the trailer. I haven't seen the last two, but I heard Asteroid City was good. No one actually thought that.
Starting point is 01:29:22 I saw it, I just watched it. Come on, man. But yeah, it's actually like, there are a one actually saw I just watch it. Come on But yeah, it's actually like there are a couple ones when I was thinking about these lists that like man if you would Have asked me ten years ago, you know, well like who I thought would have been the guys Yeah, I mean like I love Ryan Johnson, but like no But like he which is like it's hard to be like one of the best directors of all time or Shane Carruth You know, like yeah, thought he was gonna be the guy I
Starting point is 01:29:49 Love you, Ryan Johnson. Don't I like him a lot to no disrespect. He's hurt. I fucking love your movies. So Okay, cool, I'm gonna go And I love Wes Anderson movies. So do I. I'm gonna go personal with this one. Can never go wrong. Let me settle into my energy. You gonna take, yeah. A lot of filmmaking, like Nolan I think does this, I think Fincher does this.
Starting point is 01:30:24 There's kind of a masculine cool to these movies. Yeah. Ah, I thought you were going. And I think that's a very popular way to make movies. There's maybe too many of those filmmakers. You know, masculine cool. And when you're young, the kind of masculine stuff you like is like Sly Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger. But then you get a little older and you're
Starting point is 01:30:49 like, you know, I think the world's a little more complicated and sophisticated than these dudes could handle. And that's when you discover this dude's movies. And this guy is the peak of competent men, which for me, when I need a lift, when I'm feeling down, I'll watch this guy's movies and I'm like, you know what, I'm a dude and dudes can make things happen. He's got a long list of bangers. I'm going with the master of masculine skill, Michael Mann.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Oh, fuck, dude, great pick. Such a good pick. Michael Mann's a beast. He's the man. And I think it's two N's. And it peaked with Miami Vice, where it's just skill porn. You're just like, dude, these guys are good at everything. They talk well about the things they do well.
Starting point is 01:31:43 They can drive anything. They can fix anything. And he shoots it beautifully. You know, the famous digital camera. He's very into masculinity and kind of unpacking his movies. I think that was best done probably in collateral. And he's just, he brings so much intelligence to badassness that I could just watch his movies forever. I think the best ones, Heat, The Insider, Collateral, Miami Vice, more than almost any director, oh, and last the Mohicans, more than almost any filmmaker, I could just watch his movies on a loop.
Starting point is 01:32:20 And just feel like, just in a cool, like narcotized, just like, ugh like like the drug of just badass dudes. I'm just like yeah, baby. Keep it coming. It's yeah He every time I watch heat you just and Miami Vice he just gets so fired up. He just you watch it like every time I start watching it, I'm like I gotta finish it and I mean that it's a movie, but you just pop in any time. You're like, I'm like, I gotta finish it. And I mean that. It's a three hour movie. But you can just pop in any time and you're like, fuck. It's so good, the shootout. Downtown, I mean, so iconic.
Starting point is 01:32:51 Tom Sizemore. It just feels so real too. And then I just, you know, Miami Vice got bashed on when it came out, but I think it's re-emerged as a classic, I think. It looks amazing. And yeah, I don't think the story's as deepemerged as a classic, I think. It looks amazing. And yeah, I don't think the story's as deep as like collateral or heat,
Starting point is 01:33:09 where you're really feeling the themes underneath it. But just in terms of like, dude, this is just some sick shit to check out. It's incredible. And dude, if you're gonna, sorry, go ahead, Chris. Oh, I was gonna say, it just feels like more of like a popcorn movie. I mean, I would enjoy eating popcorn to all these movies,
Starting point is 01:33:24 but it's just like, like, yeah, it just feels a little bit more surface, but it's super fun. I mean, they're just fucking cruising on GoFast boats, dude. Can you imagine watching Heat in theaters? Moby. I know, it sucks that I wish I could go back and watch it. Or last of the Mohicans in theaters, I love.
Starting point is 01:33:40 The last eight minutes, dude, if your job as a director is to put information on a screen, there's no dialogue in like the climax of that movie. It's just that unbelievable score. That score is unreal. And then it's just payoff, payoff, payoff, payoff in the highest stakes action you can ever see, dude. It's just unreal.
Starting point is 01:33:57 And he's super simple with the motivations with a lot of his characters. It's just like, dude, I'm a bad-ass dude and all I care about is my craft. But wait, I just fell in love with the chick, and now I might have to change. Yes, yes. And then the endings of his movies, dude, you think about the ending of Heat and Collateral, which I think are probably is, the insider's amazing and super sick,
Starting point is 01:34:14 but it's not a shooter, and he's a shooter guy. So like Heat and Collateral, at the ending of Heat, you got De Niro going against Pacino, you don't know who you wanna win, you love them both. Yeah. And then- On like a tar, like off of a tarmac, so you got like planes coming in,
Starting point is 01:34:28 just like such a cool setting. What gives De Niro away? The light. The light, his shadow. The shadow of his crime life, the shadow of his mistakes, it gives him away, that's what gets him killed. Then at the end of Collateral,
Starting point is 01:34:40 how did, I used to be bummed out, I'm like how did Jamie Foxx kill Tom Cruise when Tom Cruise is like the predator? I watched a video on it. So the sliding doors on the subway, right? If you look at where Tom Cruise shot, as he does in the whole movie, he shoots two into the chest, one into the head.
Starting point is 01:34:55 He hit the sliding doors right in the middle. Whereas Jamie Foxx shoots everywhere. Tom Cruise, his masculinity was trapped by his rigid life and his inability to access his own feelings. So when the moment came, he was stuck being the same guy. Jamie Foxx had transcended himself and was able to adapt to the moment. Right.
Starting point is 01:35:14 I mean, dude. That's awesome. Bro. I'm trying to say, Yi-ching, adapt. Bro. And he's peppering this stuff in. He's peppering this. And that's interesting.
Starting point is 01:35:24 And it's so cool, because I'd seen the movie for like 10 or 15 years before it was pointed out that like, yeah, you see the bullet, like where the bullets hit in the metal doors. Because he's always double tapping, dude. He's addicted to it. Chapter of JT's life where I'd roll over to this place when you're living in WeHo, and kind of by Air One dank,
Starting point is 01:35:44 and you'd walk in and he'd be like, dude, sit down and watch this thing on heat real quick. And I'd sit down, and place when you're living on in we hoe and kind of by air one dank and you'd walk in anybody Dude sit down watch this thing on real quick Came out on YouTube and I was like did this You see the coyote you have to understand you're like I don't really watch movies anymore. I just watch video breakdowns There's some really good Like what do you talking about? I'm like, well, here, we gotta pull up this video real quick. You got three hours?
Starting point is 01:36:10 The movie that we're talking about is an hour and a half. The video essay is three. Dude, two things. His use of audio slave and collateral. Dude, yeah. So sick. Epic. With the coyotes, with the coyotes. It's also, it's a freaking LA at night movie dude.
Starting point is 01:36:26 I love it. I love how much he loves LA too. Then he, the cafe scene, like in acting classes, they're like, this is the scene between De Niro and Pacino. Like they're like, this is, you can learn all about acting by watching the two of these guys just go at it. And it's all singles, right?
Starting point is 01:36:45 I don't think he does any like, you don't see them at the table together. It's like just one-off. He makes really great choices. The jargon, the way people talk, you know, what's that gotta do about the visit? Oh, God, I'm going to go to the toilet. Dude, John Boyd's hair in that movie. Oh, yeah. He's got like a lot.
Starting point is 01:37:01 And dude, Wayne Grow, that's the guy? How much do you hate that guy? Wayne Grow, yeah. You hate that guy. Boy, he has no code, dude. Yeah, you hate that's the guy? How much do you hate? Wayne Grow, yeah. You hate that guy. Boy, he has no code, dude. Yeah, you hate that guy. You gotta have a code.
Starting point is 01:37:09 I had to get it on. Dude, the way he kills- who's in collateral? Who's the detective? Ruffalo. Ruffalo. Yeah, the way he kills Ruffalo, too. You just do not see that coming. Oh man, it's such a bummer. I know. Just leaving the club, dude.
Starting point is 01:37:21 Yeah. That's a great fucking pick. What's the fucking pick? I forgive you. So Michael Mann, what a Yeah. What's the club name? What's the fucking pick? I forget. But yeah, so Michael Mann. What a G. What a great pick. All right, Strider, you're up. Dude, this is just so fucking hard to do this.
Starting point is 01:37:33 You know, make choices with great directors, they make choices, dude. And I'm trying to make one of those right now. And it's just so difficult. I mean, that was such a good pick. It kept me from going to my notes, so I apologize that I'm sort of vamping here as I'm diving into my next pick.
Starting point is 01:37:49 Really difficult. There's, ah man. There's some franchises here I like. There's some guys who do, some of these guys are like, they do it, what they do so well. I'm thinking about getting international.
Starting point is 01:38:11 I'm thinking about going across. I'm thinking about switching up. Nah, nah, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna take that. I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna go with heart. I'm gonna go with stuff that I like to watch, dude. I think- You're doing really well right now,
Starting point is 01:38:29 according to the audience. Thank you, bros. Absolute legends, love you, bros. Oh, fuck yeah. Oh man, we're running long, shit. Yeah, shit. I gotta text Brad. Oh really, shit.
Starting point is 01:38:41 Okay, I'll hurry it up here, fuck. You wanna do just four rounds? No, we gotta do five. we have to did I got to hurry up come on come on Strider Don't drop the hack you say you got to make a choice. Exactly. This is just so directors make choices Did you already say that? Yes, but but you know damn, I Don't think too much. I do I'm gonna go with Oh Dear god What do I do here? Oh man, I'm gonna go with, shit, I'm so scared dude, I'm just so scared. Okay, alright, fuck it, I'm gonna do it,
Starting point is 01:39:21 I'm gonna go with Mel Brooks. Oh, dude, that's cool. I'm going comedy. I think you could win this thing. That's a good list. I'm going comedy. He's old school. I'm old head. I get it.
Starting point is 01:39:31 They're gonna, everyone's, you know, Strider dude, you know, get your hemorrhoids checked. Whatever, dude. Time for your colonoscopy. Fine. Whatever. The guy has made some of my favorite comedies. He's an absolute beast.
Starting point is 01:39:42 He is a comedy artor. I think if you're gonna pick a comedy director, and I'm going John right here, I do have two horror guys, so I should have mixed it up maybe, but I don't know. Just talk about Mel Brooks, dude. I mean, Blazing Saddles, this is the 70s.
Starting point is 01:40:01 This is a movie that you probably, you know, dudes go, dude, you can't even make these type of movies today, what he's doing. Young Frankenstein, absolutely incredible. These are, I think comedy is the most difficult film to make that has longevity. Comedy and longevity don't go hand in hand together. I guess maybe you say it's too soon to make a joke.
Starting point is 01:40:20 That's just different. But I think if you're gonna make a film that's still funny for an audience that's 70 years old and you could show a 17 year old the same comedy, I think you would get them both laughing just as hard. I think Mel Brooks does that. I love that he's so tongue in cheek. I love this just straightforward comedy
Starting point is 01:40:37 like History of the World, part one, when there's like is no other part, it's just the title's a joke as well. Spaceballs, all time parody. Robin Hood, Men in Tights, I don't know, that's where I went personal where I'm like, this is just one of the first comedies where I was like, dude, when I seen Curiel's in that, I was like,
Starting point is 01:40:55 I wanna be that guy, that's like the role I wanna play. It's amazing, and then Gene Wilder, iconic, you know, comedic actor, truly a beast. And yeah, just, I don't know, Blazing Saddles is probably like the best movie, I think. Comedy wise, perhaps. Spaceballs is just my favorite,
Starting point is 01:41:16 probably because I just love Star Wars so much. And it was like, the Star Wars were like my favorite movies growing up. And then I saw Spaceballs and I was like, this is also like, just with Rick Moranis saw Spaceballs and I was like, this is also like, just like, Rick Moranis and Spaceballs. It was just like, just yesterday.
Starting point is 01:41:29 I was just going to, fool you. Like, I loved it. It's so good. Dark helmet. It's so good. And you know, his movies work for kids and adults too. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:39 It can, yeah, they can like bridge the generation gap so, so well. And just like the insane places they go, the meta, he does like bridge the generation gap so so well and just like the insane Places they go the the meta he does it like very meta like the whole last act of blazing saddles When they're on the studio and it's a dance number and it just like he yeah, he'll surprise you. It's strong Yeah, so it's good pick huge Chris. You got to do it and then you're done skis There's a lot of these lists, I'm wondering if I take a freaking pervert Like my second or third pick and now and so I think you have to take them Dude don't be worried about, he's,
Starting point is 01:42:26 yeah, I would question one of the most influential filmmakers of our lifetime. This is an artist. And dude, if you're going by number of bangers, like Spielberg's got like 12, Scorsese's got like 12, this guy has like, he's in that range. There's actually two huge perverts. There's two huge perverts right here that you can get.
Starting point is 01:42:43 Like I have my, I have my tier one one tier two honorable mentions and then my pervert list But I kind of want like yeah, I have like don't take them don't take I'll take Yeah, no, that's what I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out what I because obviously it's two picks Chris is a great list Here did Spielberg venture camera You know, we're lucky we're not calling Aaron though, cuz I think Aaron would say flip venture and Cameron. Yeah, he probably would yeah Yeah, oh no, I want to like I wanted to get like more outtourie and then I mean they're all out tours but like I wanted like the more box office Boost I wanted in the three hole and get somebody more like artistic even though
Starting point is 01:43:25 they're both artists you know in the two hole. Oh man. Fuck. I hear you dude. You got a reference to your list. It's so tough because there's also people that like they're like I can take and like I think they'll definitely get there. Just pick one and we'll talk about them and then.
Starting point is 01:43:44 Yeah you know Let's do it. Let's do it. What are you Alan? It's the right big Great pick, you know, what's so hilarious about this pig? Is that as a director like if you're talking about a director is the guy who sets up the camera and knows where to move it he is horrendous like Vickyina Barcelona is like, a lot of his movies are all wide shots and a lot of his shots that he leaves in the final cut
Starting point is 01:44:10 are out of focus. Really? Like there's literally out of focus shots and then, you know, great filmmakers don't use narration. He always has narration. I say all that to say- He says he uses a lot of narration. I say all that to say none of it matters.
Starting point is 01:44:23 His movies are the best and I can watch them all day. If I was stuck with only his movies, I'd be a happy guy. Yeah, he's made so many iconic films. Manhattan. One, two, three. I mean, Annie Hall is probably his most famous. Yeah. But then he like, match points great,
Starting point is 01:44:45 blue jasmine fucking rules. Midnight in Paris, delightful. Yeah, after 2000. Midnight in Paris. I love that movie. And those are like, it's another one that he's done it for decades. He made a shitload of movies,
Starting point is 01:44:57 so he's got plenty of forgettable ones, but he also has like, so many amazing ones. Yeah, every time I watch his movies. It just sucks that like he molested his stepdaughter. Yeah, bummer. Every time I watch his movies, especially like Midnight in Paris, I'm just like, man, that was a good time.
Starting point is 01:45:15 He's funny, man. And you know what, he's very unsparing about people. Like you can tell he thinks we're all pretty selfish and stuff, but he's not heavy handed about it. He's just like, you know what, you're selfish, but life is still fun. Yeah. And I think that's a, it's a cool angle to take.
Starting point is 01:45:30 And then sometimes he does get a little darker about it. Like I think Matchpoint is, Matchpoint Crimes and Misdemeanors, both about guys who get stuck in a spot, ended up killing someone for self-preservation. Yeah. And then his thing is, in both instances, they don't get punished. Yeah, they get out.
Starting point is 01:45:47 Yeah, exactly. And you want them to get punished. You're like, dude. Which is kind of the, you know, he's a dark guy. He says when he looks, he's little and he think he'd be happy go lucky because he can be, but he says when he looks out at the ocean, he just thinks about all the death that's happening out there. Dang.
Starting point is 01:46:02 But he's very funny in interviews. I'm like, Woody, how do you feel about, because he's so obsessed with death, like how do you feel about the fact that you're old and that you could die? He's like, I'm still against it. Yeah, he's such a good writer. Yeah, and I think he's talking about somebody
Starting point is 01:46:19 who's influential, you know? Yeah. Like I feel like you could see like as you said earlier like ripple effects of like the type of movie that he made you know what I mean where was Eddie Burns dude all these guys just trying to do what Woody Allen movies yeah and like I love like it's like you can tell somebody is really good when you see knockoffs of their movie and they're still good like Tarantino's like that like watching a Tarantino knockoff or like a Coen
Starting point is 01:46:44 Brothers movie knockoff like you're like Yeah, it's still watchable. It's like you know they just they they copied somebody's a paper And you know it's like a B-minus like feel pretty good All right now my last pick If I pick is tough Yeah, I'm gonna go around it out. Yeah, I'm kinda like, I could pick somebody who had like one of the best like streaks ever. And like from the end of the 80s into the 90s.
Starting point is 01:47:14 Or I go with somebody that's a little bit more contemporary and I'm kinda projecting forward, assuming that they're gonna keep making bangers because they're making bangers. And I think, And I think I'm gonna go go maybe it's recency bias but I'm gonna go Denis Villeneuve. Yeah it's just nice. Denis Villeneuve. Whoa! And like I said so like whoa it's still early for this guy but he also has a pretty big filmography
Starting point is 01:47:37 I mean like he's made as many movies as some of these other ones who are at the end of their careers and it feels like this guy is in the midst of his career you know what I mean and then he's gonna be making sick fucking movies for another 20 to 30 years so I'm gonna go to knee again it's like because I think by the by the time it's all said and done he will be definitely like it will be looking at this going man he should have gone in the third round or higher, you know? Dude, Sicario. Bro, come on. Sicario's unreal.
Starting point is 01:48:07 So good. Sicario is epic. It's what it's Dune Part II, ruled arrival, amazing movie. Prisoners is so fucking good. There's just great. And it's a great movie. His movie in Sandes is so fucked up and it's so good I mean just one of those movies that just ends up being about you know sexual assaults and incest and just you know all the you know war prisoners just great stuff just all like you know all the big themes what we need yeah he's been movies since
Starting point is 01:48:42 94 he's in his 50s, so he's been around for a while, but it feels like he had like, like Sicario was probably like, or Prisoners I guess was the introduction, but Sicario, oh that's the guy who did Prisoners? Like that's when he was like, mainstream American, like Americans knew about him,
Starting point is 01:49:02 and that's only been, you know, 10 years now. So I feel like he's still got a lot of room to run. I'm pumped for Dune Messiah. I think Dune too is like a masterpiece. I think that movie's gonna age. I think it's amazing. It's an epic, but like the storytelling is so good and it's unpredictable.
Starting point is 01:49:20 Like the turn at the end, I thought it was real. I know it's all based on the book, but I was really moved by it. I think he's, when you can make a movie that big that you still feel something afterwards, that's, yeah, you're one of the guys. You're in rare air. You get, they give you the $500 million check
Starting point is 01:49:36 and let you go do your thing. Yeah, he's great pick. And that's another one where like, I'm like, if this dude made a movie, like, I'm seeing it in theaters. It's an event. It's somebody that I'm so excited to go see what they're going to do So I haven't seen him make I haven't seen enemy but like I haven't seen him make a bad movie I didn't love Blade Runner 2049 but like it's well done and like it looks good And like it's just like the first scene is kind of my favorite scene. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:06 Bautista dude. The six on like the farm or whatever. Yeah. That's a great fight scene too. It's great. So good. And yeah, he does action scenes extremely well, but he's not really an action director. But if he, it was like, you know, we were talking about with the Coen brothers were like,
Starting point is 01:50:21 man, if he wanted to just be like, if he did a John Wick, it it would be like just like it's John wick yeah it'd be unreal yeah exactly all right Strutter you're up all right dudes to find out to round out the list I got to consult my list cuz I'm I've been nervous this whole time I've been on the edge of my seat drafting here. Okay, just to To say this has been a movie in and of itself today I'm gonna go with the guy I've got some chalk on there now. I'm just gonna go with the guy The best thing in life's are short-lived I
Starting point is 01:51:02 Don't think any director captures the ephemeral moment better than this guy. Also, I've never left a theater or a rewatched viewing going like this, fucking let's go. More than when I've watched this guy's movies. Oh, interesting. I would say, maybe there's better artists out there,
Starting point is 01:51:24 but I love this guy and I love his style. Richard Linklater. Dude, great pick, man. I think, you know, just the movies that he had that take place over a day. And look, Dazed and Confused, it's ultimate, just pop in a bro movie. Everybody wants some based like on his life. And he's kind of a guy that's, if you're getting into film early on, you're like, I joked around earlier where I was like,
Starting point is 01:51:50 Kevin Smith's like the first director you get to know with your buddies. You're like, oh yeah, dude, Kevin Smith, he does Mallrats, whatever. Maybe Linklater's the next step. But I don't know, man, I love his movies. I love the romances that he does before midnight. Just like these like, really good,
Starting point is 01:52:06 if you're an actor, you can really have a lot of space in his movies, which I think is nice. Very grounded. And super sensitive to people, yeah. Dude, Mark Maron put it really well. He said he makes movies about how we move through time, and now he makes movies about how time moves through us. Dude.
Starting point is 01:52:26 And yeah, he's, you know, it's funny, you picked him, he's kind of the opposite of Nolan. Exactly, literally the opposite of Nolan. He's not an ornate watchmaker, he's just like, hey, this is kind of where we're stuck, and this is what it feels like. Yeah, I like this, just this brief moment of time, films, and just like.
Starting point is 01:52:42 He's got some great vibes in his movies, man. That's it, it's a vibe. That's what I'm trying to say. He's the smartest bro. He's like the smartest guy you went to college with that like you would want to be annoyed because he's reading books, but then you hang out with him and you're like,
Starting point is 01:52:54 yeah, but you're like good with chicks and you can smack a baseball. You're just kind of the man, dude. I mean, I, Hitman I thought was, I really enjoyed Hitman. I really liked it too. I feel like it kind of like flew under the radar I don't know feeling it wasn't talked about as much because like it was actually really it was really fun movie and I didn't see Where it was going like where it ends up. I was like, oh, yeah, it's kind of like it's fun
Starting point is 01:53:16 It really and do the chemistry on scene between him. Yeah, pal and uh, well, I forget the other actresses name Sorry, but she's amazing. I think too, if you take like the before trilogy, I think is one of the greatest achievements in filmmaking history. It's so amazing. And then just picking it up every nine years and meeting back up with this couple.
Starting point is 01:53:34 And like, you're like, this is kind of feels, it's so romantic that it can only exist in movies, but then it still is so grounded. But you take those movies that like before midnight, I'll just watch it with my fiance, we'll just cry about how hard relationships are. And like, even though the two people can be fundamentally good, it's just a struggle because that's just the nature of life. But you take that and then he made School of Rock. It's just so fun. It's yeah, the versatility
Starting point is 01:54:00 is insane. It's a great pick, man. And yeah, I didn't personally. It's a great pick, man, and a deeply personal one. Yeah, I loved it. It's a great one, because his movies are so, they were so fun, and also like, I mean, I don't think Boyhood's like super rewatchable, but like plenty of them are. Like all the befores are very rewatchable. Everybody wants them. Days and Confused is one of the most rewatchable movies
Starting point is 01:54:19 you could ever have. Bernie is also an amazing, it's so funny. Like he's had like two of the best Jack Black vehicles you could ever ask for between that and School of Rock. Bernie is so good. And it'll end like just gets, and it's just Jack Black just cooking. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 01:54:36 That's an insane script. All right, great pick. I'm excited to talk about Honorable Mentions too, because there's so many. It's crazy. I know, I know, I know. I'm excited to talk about honorable mentions too, because there's so many. It's crazy. I know, I know, I know. I'm going to go... You're like ready, but then you're not ready.
Starting point is 01:54:53 Exactly. Dude, take your time. I'm very empathetic to your cause right now. Because there's one who's like, I think one of our favorites, it's still on the board. Is he a black guy? There's two. There's two of our favorites, it's still on the board. There's- Is he a black guy? There's two. There's two of our favorites. I thought about doing him in that,
Starting point is 01:55:11 but then I went- Or is he a Mexican guy? Oh, fuck! Oh, I fucked up. You would have taken him? Oh yeah, over Villanueva. Yeah, over Villanueva. Or even,
Starting point is 01:55:24 or even in the four hole. Fuck, I would have taken him. There's so many good ones left this sucks Yeah, I'm already like I'm kind of like I understand why I picked everyone that I did But there's also I could sub out names right now, and I'd be happy same or I'd be in the same place. Yeah Yeah, I'm gonna go Fuck I should take it's between those two for me It's so funny cuz it was one of the first ones that I've mentioned and then I didn't even write it down it was like talking to like talking to back out was like I mean probably this dude and then I fucking forgot to put him on the list just
Starting point is 01:55:57 because then I google it and he wasn't on there when he should have been yeah exactly those Google lists are sometimes like I didn't IMDB wonder like what are you talking about these? You know what though? I'm gonna go with the black guy Yeah, I'm gonna go with the my first favorite filmmaker. I think you should be on your list. I think of a He's kind of like the Coen brothers for me where this dude will fix the movies that are so offensively bad I'm like, are you even a director? But then he's got five movies that I think are, his top five might rank above anybody else's top five for me. And I think he's, from like 90 to like 2005,
Starting point is 01:56:37 is probably the best chronicler of what it was to be alive in those eras. I'm going with the number one New York Knicks fan, Spike Lee. Bro, this is huge. This is huge. I wrote this. Great call, dude. I think along with Scorsese and probably beyond him, he has the greatest sensitivity to the internal conflict of his character. You are in the vice of unfair systems with his character, so you not only excuse but sympathize
Starting point is 01:57:06 with their complicated choices. And yeah, when I watch He Got Game, 25th hour, do the right thing. Yeah, bro. These protagonists are like such flawed people, but I feel like I'm best friends with them. And so even when they're being shitheals, I'm like, I would have done the same thing.
Starting point is 01:57:23 And as Roger Ebert said, film is a vehicle for empathy. And no one has given me more empathy in their movies than Spike Lee. He he will just take you so deep inside a fucked up person and just make you live with them, but also, you know, there's humor and sex and violence and all the fun parts of movies in there, too. So I I gotta pick Spike. It's a great pick. Coming into this I was like a hundred percent chance that he's on your list because because you just love his movies I love his movies but I think you love like you I love his movies because you were like, dude, you have to watch this movie
Starting point is 01:58:06 and this movie and. I know how much you love 25th hour. Like I remember like you showing me do the right thing. And like I was like, like it's still the best movie on race. It's so charged. And it's like what it's about. It's about like riots and stuff. It's what we're in
Starting point is 01:58:25 somebody else mentioned this we were like watching somewhere they're talking about we're like walking out of that movie like These people were on this person's side and these people were on Like on this person's side like like different people go into that and they come out Hating different characters and saying that character shouldn't have done that, they fucked up. Like the fact that it like creates these tensions within the audience and that's what it's about. It's about like people who just can't seem to find common ground and like just these things that come out
Starting point is 01:58:55 of like race, you know what I mean? And just how like. I still do, I didn't get it. When I saw it I was against Mookie afterwards. I'm like why'd he burn down the pizza shop? But it's the same conversation we have today which is like property versus human life. And he put it perfectly,
Starting point is 01:59:10 like in his sophomore film, like he barely had any cash to put that together. And then there's all the other parts of it too, the color saturation, the heat, you feel the sweat of that movie. He's very just evocative filmmaker. And then also the marketing of calling all of his movies a spiky joint Smart at a time were like it like like weeds legal now pretty black most places
Starting point is 01:59:34 But like at the time it wasn't as like yeah, this is a spiky joint is so fun It's great And it's just like his movies can be so intense and dark But he can also just have like, they can also just be such fun watches. Totally. And people used to say like, oh, but all he does is make movies about black people.
Starting point is 01:59:50 It's like, well, of course, he makes movies about Italian people, he's a black guy. But to that criticism, like 25th hour and Inside Man are, like Inside Man is his for hire movie, but it's like the best Cindy Lamet ask bank. We all saw it together. Yeah, it's so bad. It's like you're like now, dude.
Starting point is 02:00:10 And he puts all the details in there. There's the racist copy. You end up liking the racist cop. Totally. And then there's also like, you know, like they release one of the hostages. It's like a Middle Eastern guy. And they go, oh, fuck. It's like it's like it's like post 9 11, where they're like, like the cops, the SWAT team automatically assumes like,
Starting point is 02:00:27 oh, this guy might have a bomb strapped to him, which like, it did feel, that's like, it grounds you in that time period where it was like, post 9 11 New York, where like, that was very top of mind for obvious reasons, even though it's like, no, this guy's just like an innocent bystander. And then the next scene on it.
Starting point is 02:00:42 He just happens to be wearing a turban. He's complaining to the cops, the guy's like, I'm a sheik, I'm not even Arab. He's like, I go around, people are judging me, they're frisking me, and then Denzel goes, but I bet you got no problem getting a cab. And then like, he always was like,
Starting point is 02:00:54 doing the social justice stuff, but there was a sense of humor around it that didn't make it like didactic. And dude, just given Denzel, who I think I took with the first pick in our actor's draft, you know, just given him such meaty roles. I mean, Malcolm X is such a good movie and the performance is.
Starting point is 02:01:18 Yeah, one of the best of all time. To live up to Malcolm X's charisma, and Denzel does it, you can listen to him all day. Yeah, all right. Chad, you're up. All right. I'm gonna go with a guy who makes just movies that delight me. And they, you know, he's got actually he's pretty versatile. You know, he's got some classic rom-coms. He's got some good dramas. He has maybe the first mockumentary or one of them. Oh, dude.
Starting point is 02:01:51 I'm gonna go with Rob Reiner. Dude, I was gonna take him. I love Rob Reiner. I love When Harry Met Sally. I love Spinal Tap, A Few Good Men, Princess Bride. Do you know what's crazy about, I was gonna, this is, I was gonna say this is a sixth movie run
Starting point is 02:02:07 that it's hard to beat because it's Spinal Tap and then it's Stand By Me and then it's, fuck, hold on, let me pull it up just so I don't get it wrong. Princess Bride, right? Princess Bride. I love Princess Bride, so good. Misery, a few good men in there and then American President. And then American president. Yeah, it's insane, dude
Starting point is 02:02:27 You know and when Harry met Sally, yeah, so six. Oh my god besides a besides um Besides the American president All those movies that we just listed were in a row. Yeah, he did spinal tap. Yeah Yeah, he's he doesn't get the credit. He deserves I think because we're creating a whole genre Yeah, and also just, I think his movies were all so commercial, but that people kind of discount him as just like a 80s guy.
Starting point is 02:02:52 But like maybe the best courtroom drama with a few good men. Created the mockumentary. Maybe the best coming of age movie with Stand By Me. Maybe the best romantic comedy when Harry met Sally. Maybe the best like fairy tale movie with Princess Bride. Maybe maybe the best like prisoner movie with misery like all different genres and Every one of them they don't feel like they're from the same guy and they're all 10 out of 10s Yeah, and then maybe the best political movie with the American president
Starting point is 02:03:16 It's crazy. It's it's just it's one of like the greatest runs Anyone could ever go on because like you said, the variety is just insane. And then he kind of fell off a cliff and now everything goes to schmaltz. And then it's like, the part that was hard for me is, but then he made movies for another 30 years and I don't watch any of them. But that run is insane.
Starting point is 02:03:37 It's insane. I mean, I could re-watch any of those movies in that run any day of the week. Him and Wolf of Wall Street too is pretty classic. He's a good actor. He's in NTV, he's good in that movie. He plays the evil networking sec. It's a great pick.
Starting point is 02:03:56 And you know what, dude, his movies rip when you're a kid, they rip when you're an adult. He's just banger, banger, banger. They're so fun. Spinal Tap is so fun. It's so funny. It's amazing. It's so funny. It's amazing. It's so funny. It's so good.
Starting point is 02:04:06 I didn't realize that was him, dude. I thought that was like Christopher Guest for some reason. No, Guest did, I think wrote it. Oh, he did? Yeah, and then it was before Guest started doing his own moves. But I think he was a big, I think that's the thing about Reiner,
Starting point is 02:04:17 he's gotta be with a good, like he got Sorkin on a few good men. He had William Goldman on a Princess Bride. He had Guest on that. I think he had Stephen King and' on A Fugue in Mania, William Goldman on Princess Bride. He had guest on that. I think he had Stephen King and Goldman on Misery. He just always had. Misery is, have you seen that movie? I haven't seen it.
Starting point is 02:04:34 What's her name, isn't it? Kathy Bates plays, she like, a famous writer, like gets in a car accident and she saves him from it. And she wants, he had ended a book series that like kind of defined his career, but he was over it. And she basically forces, like, holds him in captivity to finish the book. To like bring a character back from the dead
Starting point is 02:04:54 because she didn't want that character to die. And like, it's a horror movie of this guy stuck in a house. And there's like one brutal scene where to keep him incapacitated, she uses a sledgehammer and a couple wooden planks. I think in the script and in the book, she actually sawed his feet off. Ah!
Starting point is 02:05:10 And Goldman wrote it that way or someone did and Rob Renner was like, dude, we're not chopping his feet. Like, we're just gonna break him. And I think Goldman quit the movie. He was like, you're ruining it. And then after he saw it, he's like, no, no, that was the right thing. That would be too savage.
Starting point is 02:05:24 That scene is, and the scene is plenty gnarly yeah, it's It's calm plays the writer. It's so good. This was great. Let's call a Brad and see what he thinks. Let's go You know what I think everyone had a killer list real quick with them I don't know my you there's some bad I think Spike Lee in the five spot is an all time draft winner there. And big, big sorry to people who wanted Orson Welles, Kurosawa, Ozu, Bergman. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:05:53 After we talked to Brad, can we do a little mention for a while? Yeah, yeah, we'll do a lot of home improvement. But I just feel like the... Yeah, for like finish the draft, also we don't wanna keep, I don't wanna keep him waiting cause like we haven't talked about Danny Boyle. I love Danny Boyle you know
Starting point is 02:06:06 like Spike Jonze a lot of the 90s yeah I wanted to get Tony Scott but I was like I can't get both Scott brothers but I love Tony Scott. George Miller. Spike Jonze would still make movies he just like does great commercials. Miyazaki I was almost gonna go Miyazaki. Miloš Forman I mean we'll get into it also like another guy on like the I think he will be on it like Part of me was like what if I take your saw one the five spot Seen I've seen seven samurai and I saw another one was movies, but I got half way through Roshamon
Starting point is 02:06:44 I was just so I liked R through Rashomon. It's just... Oh, I liked Rashomon because it's short. And like it was like... Also, it's basically the same story but from multiple perspectives and you just never know what the real one is. So it's like... Smart. You can write a lot of essays about it. For sure.
Starting point is 02:07:00 You know what I mean? Alright, you guys ready? Yeah, Kurosawa would have been a great pick. Invented the team hired for a mission movie. Yeah. Kurosawa would have been a great pick. Invented the team hired for a mission movie. Yeah. You don't have Avengers without him. Yeah. And he inspired, he inspired Tarantino. Yep.
Starting point is 02:07:13 Scorsese. Scorsese. And every action director. Yeah. Bill Hader talks about him all the time. He's like, Hey guys. Hey, thanks for doing this, man. No problem. What's going on? We're going gonna send you our list anonymously of all the directors
Starting point is 02:07:28 we picked for best directors of all time. Yeah You go through them rank them for us going backwards to forwards to start at four end at one and let us know who won this one. That's how you want to do it. Okay, so So I have to rank do it. OK, so so I have to rank these directors. Yes. And so you're ranking them as sets. It's like who had the best set of directors?
Starting point is 02:07:52 Oh, is that what I'm doing? Yeah. So like we each picked five directors. So pick the guy who's got the best five. But start with who got last and then build up to who got who did the best. OK, then um
Starting point is 02:08:08 What's the criteria we're using guys? I mean I didn't hear what your discussion was is it is it artistic is it commercial is it? Is it a combination of the two is it artist even like tell me what you guys were talking about as the As the you know criteria. Well I mean I think you'll see that you know Spielberg went first so I guess he he's a great combination of artistry and popularity but you know box office matters to us. There's no Jim Jarmusch on here. All these guys had some hits.
Starting point is 02:08:43 All right so and there are how many groupings are there? How many? How many what? Yeah, there's four pickers and we each picked five movies. OK. And you want me to rank those groups?
Starting point is 02:08:55 Yeah. Which one has the. OK. Do you want me to? When do you want to do? You want to do this right now? Are we doing this live now? It's live on the fly. We'll edit it so you sound like
Starting point is 02:09:04 you were extremely Decisive I know it's the michael bay's not on that list Oh, dude honorable mention though for sure. I mean iconic filmmaker and your producing partners. So um He's we were naming the list the michael bay draft Okay All right. So, okay. Hold on guys. I'm just walking up to my office and then we'll do this nice
Starting point is 02:09:29 What are you wearing? I'll expect these hell I got some old 501s classic nice. You don't even know what that is Levi's Levi 501 baby. Hell yeah, I'm a 511 guy kind of tall skinny, you know Levi 501 baby, hell yeah. I'm a 5'11 guy, kind of tall, skinny, you know, fit in. My wife likes the way my high knee looks. By the way, who's in the room? It's Chris Parr, JT Parr, Strider Wilson, and Chad Kroeger. Well, hi guys, sorry, I should've opened with that.
Starting point is 02:09:55 No, you're good, dude. You got a job to do, man. You're a beast, dude. And you're employing what is important in filmmaking is movement. You're walking while drafting. That would be a very interesting scene to shoot. And I think all of our favorite filmmakers
Starting point is 02:10:07 would have skipped the salutation and gotten straight to the meat of it. Yep, what do they say the French term in medio tempo, whatever it is, you pick up right in the middle of the scene. That's when the scene starts. Immediate rest, dude. Crisp beast, let's go.
Starting point is 02:10:22 Okay, so I'm looking at the, you guys ready? Yes, sir. Okay, so I'm looking at these four groupings. The first one that comes up to me is the Spielberg, Fincher, Cameron, Woody Allen, Denny Venue. I mean, that is a very strong grouping right there. I'm very excited about that grouping. The second
Starting point is 02:10:45 one just to go through it is Tarantino, Hitchcock, Carpenter, Mel Brooks, Winklater. I am less excited but we're not done yet. I'm just going through it. I feel like the third grouping, the Scorsese, Cohn Brothers, Coppola, Mann, Spike Lee, it feels like a East Coast oriented grouping it just feels like yes I get what that is and then the last one is you know Qbert, Nolan, Ridley Scott, Paul Thomas Anderson and Rob Reiner now which is also very strong so I'm gonna for the one that I think is the least of this group. And it does break my heart to say this. But I think that the, oh my God,
Starting point is 02:11:29 because it's one of my favorite filmmakers, I think Quentin Tarantino is my favorite filmmaker, but that grouping to me, I think I have to eliminate first. The Tarantino, Hitchcock, Carpenter, Mel Brooks, Linklater, and I think that's the one that I have to eliminate the first. So that leaves the other three. Am I doing this the right way guys?
Starting point is 02:11:49 Yeah, you're doing great. Okay so then, oh this is so hard for me because I think you know, Stanley Kubrick, Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott, Paul Thomas Anderson, and Rob Reiner. I mean, that's as strong a grouping as you can get. And then I keep coming back to the Spielberg Fincher, James Cameron, Woody Allen. Oh my God. By the way, those two are the strongest ones. So I'm going to eliminate the Scorsese, Cohen brothers, Francis Ford Coppola, Michael Mann and Spike Lee which leaves us with the Spielberg grouping and the Stanley Kubrick drink grouping. We're so funny.
Starting point is 02:12:32 Because I'm watching the two boys, the guys who are in it, we have a huge amount of excitement. Edge of our seats. All right. Hold on. This is so hard for me. a huge amount of excitement, edge of our seats. Hold on. This is so hard for me. God, this is so hard. Okay. Look at the focus.
Starting point is 02:12:53 Look at the focus. You want it bad, do you? I feel like the second strongest grouping is the Kubrick, Nolan, Scott Nolan Scott Anderson Rob Reiner grouping I think that's this and and the strongest grouping overall is Spielberg Fincher Cameron Allen and Danny Deneap in you really wow I've heard him say five different ways he's a modern Shakespeare. I get it. All right, so whose grouping is that? Because that to me, that's the one that wins.
Starting point is 02:13:29 Whose is that? It's mine, Chris. Chris Parr. I support Chris. He's a beast. He's a beast. Brad, you're a great guy. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 02:13:37 This one means a lot. I really appreciate it. Now, do you want to go through my process in this or is that am I done? No we'd like it go for it. Okay the reason that one to me is the strongest well Steven Spielberg arguably is the greatest filmmaker you know I mean across the board and across genre and so that and David Fincher also although I don't love I mean his work is so strong I just you know I don't love every I mean his work is so strong. I don't love every one of his movies the way I love
Starting point is 02:14:08 pretty much everything Spielberg made, but Fincher is such an artist and so good, and I don't know, he's so good. And James Cameron is undeniable. And Woody Allen comedies, I think, are the best comedies were ever made. And the fact that, you know know that Dunnean is directing You know James Bond. I think that
Starting point is 02:14:30 Not a week is he really not Yeah, he's directing it. Oh Yeah, I don't say with that one he's got all I think it was a bit forward-looking with that last pick and Spielberg was the Number one overall so it did help Spielberg was the number one overall. So it did help that I got the number one pick. You did good work with the later stuff. You did. For sure.
Starting point is 02:14:51 Now, I do want to say that the next grouping that was sent to me is the Tarantino-Hitchcock carpenter Mel Brooks, Linklater. And so, just so everyone knows, I think, you know, Quentin Tarantino is, I think he's my favorite filmmaker, and Alfred Hitchcock just so everyone knows i think you know quentin tarantino is i think it might be a virtual maker now for the hedge cock uh... is definitely the director that influenced by wanting to be in this business the most of that one kind of breaks my heart
Starting point is 02:15:13 but i'd i don't feel that they carpenter melbrooks and link letter hold up in the same way that like cameron woody allen and denise holdup So that's why I did that. Martin Scorsese is certainly as great a director as there is in the world and ever will be, but some of the other filmmakers on there I felt like
Starting point is 02:15:37 their more recent work hasn't held up in the same way that some of the other guys did. And Stanley Kubrick is amazing chris nolan best ever really got this one really broke my heart with the cards i i love it crystal is moving back still the other day i want to go watch uh... the opening of but you know and the dark night and i a master it's just so i mean
Starting point is 02:16:02 i don't know if i've seen anything better so many of his movies that I feel that way you know Ridley Scott consistent Paul Thomas Anderson I love his movies that this could have potentially won if if Paul Thomas Anderson's new movie is as good as I hope I haven't seen it I don't think anyone else's and and and Rob Reiner great comedies but has it new movie is expected is that i hope that i'm seeing a big enough and and and rob reiner great comedy but has it been is relevant in the immediate
Starting point is 02:16:32 uh... as some of the other directors on the list it's it's good reasoning she's reasoning i agree with that judgment to be honest it's pretty solid yet besides i should have won really valued guys who kept making good stuff for a very long time idea and alfred his truck did that can be but like some of our history will be like frenzy
Starting point is 02:16:52 her family plot you know people don't no one even knows that he made those movies of the the the the work although as good as it ever when he was good he was good it's a kid did kind of tail off a little bit at the end and that's i really think with some of the filmmakers that's what happened here and that you know why that first grouping at field work venture
Starting point is 02:17:14 you know and his camera that group is so strong because all their work continues to be good with the exception of what he i haven't seen a lot of his work but those even know and put out more great comedies in a Extended amount of time than Woody Allen. I think most people you guys would agree with that, right? Yeah. Yeah one hundo All right. Well, thanks Brad. You're a legend dude And that that felt so right having you be the judge on this and of course as you always do you delivered? Thank you. Well, I love it. This is really fun. I love it.
Starting point is 02:17:46 I wish I could have been in the room to hear you, to hear the, you know, all of the, the logic and all of the stuff that goes into it. I can't wait to hear this pod. I'm excited to hear it. Awesome. Thank you, Brad. It means a lot.
Starting point is 02:17:58 Thanks so much, Brad. Brad, you're the man. All right, boys. Have fun. Late. Well, Chris, you know, we haven't been given the belt out in a while, but I think you get to take the belt home for this one. Cause this is a belt worthy draft. That was a fun one. Can we talk?
Starting point is 02:18:12 Can we talk honorable mentions? Are we shutting it down? Probably do you got to head out, but let's run through some speed run them. Alfonso Cuaron. Yeah, that's what I almost took him. I wrote this about him. His movies are simple journeys. It's guys going to the beach a lady escaping a ship a guy delivering a kid to the coast But the backdrops are just as as filled out and meaningful as possible. Yeah, I mean between children of men Gravity to Mama Tambien and the best Harry Potter movie and the best. Oh, you're right the best It is the best Harry Potter movie and the best oh you're right the best it is the best Harry Potter movie
Starting point is 02:18:45 which one did he do? Prisoner of Asgard Oh he did? He's the one who set the tone for what the rest of them will be And it's so I mean he's just the man Soderbergh Soderbergh he just does so many I just don't have it see he's I just haven't seen as many of his movies lately I would say his movies. I don't know what's his best movie So that's the toughest I think like I think like it's like probably like out of sight and like oceans 11 Maybe those are amazing movies, but I just eat No, it's not it doesn't feel as is. I don't know if he has a masterpieces. Yeah, Danny Boyle does though Danny Boyle
Starting point is 02:19:18 Yeah, yeah, talk about him. What are his masterpieces 28 days later? I haven't seen the most recent one between They're trying plotting train spotting is amazing Some dog is amazing. I mean dogs incredible and like millions is like a good movie. He has plenty of good movies No, he's great. I mean, he's great. Even jobs is like not my favorite, but that's a good movie. I almost did George Miller Yeah, just for Mad Max. I was like, it's just one day and babe. Yeah, dude an affleck Ben Affleck I almost picked him. I thought about writer, I thought about actor directors. I was like Mel Gibson and Ben Affleck. Mel Gibson is a great one.
Starting point is 02:19:49 Yeah, Mel Gibson too. Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood, probably the best. Yeah, even what's his face dude? Robert Redford did one that was pretty good, I think. But. Oh, yeah, he's a great dude.
Starting point is 02:19:59 Jordan Peele could. I mean, his last couple movies weren't, Get Out was incredible, but. Amazing. You know know he has the talent I think he probably totally Ryan Coogler I put in that camp of like I think I think Ryan Coogler will be one of the greatest when it's all said and done We're gonna say he just he just hasn't made that many movies Greta Gerwig has made three movies and they've all been bangers good to great and like so if she if she keeps it up
Starting point is 02:20:21 She'll definitely be on it. You know what I mean? Like, there's something that I'm excited to see. Kugler is behind Nolan and QT is, it's an event. I have to go see it. I have to go see it. I have to go see it in theaters because I love Kugler. I should have seen sitters in theaters. I saw it on TV, on the screen. Yeah, it's, I'm just like, he's someone that like,
Starting point is 02:20:39 I'm going to drop everything and make sure that I see it in theaters. I got to shout out to two guys from the 70s to have been kind of lost to time, one more so than the other, but they are as good as, they're not as popular, but like, if you want like Spielberg score, so these guys are right there.
Starting point is 02:20:54 Robert Altman movies, please go watch it, Stokers. McCabe and Miss Miller, get through the first 20 minutes, you can't understand a word of dialogue because he used this like dioramic sound, but his movies are phenomenal the long goodbye so cool and then player man like that's a super watch short cuts yeah his nine short cuts is really and then Hal Ashby has five like masterpieces and someone made a funny quote about him he did the worst thing you can do in Hollywood he died
Starting point is 02:21:21 but his movies are incredible to you. Oh, who's one that I kept seeing on this? He did Scarface. Brian De Palma. De Palma, yeah. I mean, that's what we were doing. Modern Hitchcock. Watch the documentary that Noah Baumbach
Starting point is 02:21:37 did about Brian De Palma. Hilarious, you get to see all the cool stuff he does with the way he shot stuff with negative space and all the camera breakups he did, genius. Some action movie directors, dude, McTiernan, Tony Scott. Yeah. Dude, Tony Scott.
Starting point is 02:21:50 Tony Scott made some, I mean, just made some great movies. Crimson Tide, Top Gun. Yeah, I mean, he's one of my top directors for sure. My all-perv team was Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Bryan Singer. You forgot a big one. Who?
Starting point is 02:22:03 Bernardo Budolese. Oh, right. Bryan Singer. I forgot a big one. Who? Bernardo Budalecchi. All right. I hate Bryan Singer. I hate Bryan Singer, yeah. There's kind of like the Ivan. Plansky Rips. Sam Raimi.
Starting point is 02:22:12 Harold Ramis. John Hughes. John Landis. Yeah, John Landis. Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright. Like him. The, oh, dad, I was gonna take Peter Jackson for Lord of the Rings but I'm like, I don't
Starting point is 02:22:23 know, he's just done Lord of the Rings, but I'm like, I don't know. He's just done Lord of the Rings Yeah, but it's amazing feat. Yeah, but it's just one thing George is Lucas is a bad director people say no, but he's up there. He's up there. I'm in Star Wars Yeah, it's insane. It's probably the most influential film ever I like Adam McKay but probably only because I like Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly. My break in Zero Dark Thirty are like two fucking awesome movies. And Hurt Locker's so good. Orson Welles, Truffaut, none of us did any French New Wave guys. Yeah, because there's not enough story there. It's just like, you know, I don't know. I haven't seen them. Or not story, but like it's just it's not my favorite kind of movies.
Starting point is 02:23:16 You know, the westerns like Sergio Leone. John Ford is John Ford. Dude, David Lean just only seen two of his movies. But Bridge on the River River Quiet and Lawrence of Arabia are two fucking phenomenal. Yeah, David Lean just only seen two of his movies, but Epics Bridge on the River River quiet and Lawrence of Arabia are two Fucking phenomenal. Yeah, David Lynch David Lynch is all He would have been a good one to snipe just very I don't know I'm not wild there does a lot of classics. We talked about Michael Bay with Brad Yeah, no, but that's a good one. Yeah, he's great. Dude, Bad Boys, Armageddon.
Starting point is 02:23:45 Bad Boys, Armageddon, The Rock. The Rock. Oh, John Woo, another action film. Did we say Gus Van Zant, dude, for uh... Good Will Hunting. Good Will Hunting. Good Will Hunting. Drugstore Cowboy, To Die For.
Starting point is 02:23:55 Um... There's some guys who have like the best movies ever, like who's the dude that does all the Stephen King movies? Uh, Shawshank, and then he does... Uh... Frank Darabont? Yeah, Darabont. Yeah, Robert Zemeckis, who did Forrest Gump and back to the future Yeah, he's made some great, you know
Starting point is 02:24:08 A lot of my favorite movies are like like the right stuff's one of my favorite movies Philip Kaufman good director But he's not like Spielberg out of sight one of my favorites, but not like yeah, it's so it's so tough for somebody to make multiple Yeah, like maybe the like arguably greatest movies of all time That's what makes the number one But we I think we had the right top four because like Spielberg Quintet, Tarantino, Martin Scorsese, Stanley Kubrick What's crazy about them is that each one of them has? Like five to ten masterpieces. Yeah, really if I could have if I somehow could have gotten the Coen brothers
Starting point is 02:24:36 Oh, dude, I would have loved to have gotten that on the way back I know it would have been so nice because like they're just yep. Brad really sniped me by saying I had an East Coast list. I didn't even realize it. I did live in New York from 20 to 23 when I discovered all these filmmakers. Well, Michael Mann, I mean, I guess he had mad me, but he's a lot of LA centric. And he went to London for film school.
Starting point is 02:24:57 I know that. But Spike Lee went to NYU and I think got taught by Scorsese who also went to NYU. He got taught by Scorsese, who also went to NYU. He got taught by Scorsese. I think he was one of his students, yeah. Oh wow, where did he, in NYU? Yeah, a lot of Jim Jarmusch went there and they all kind of teach you,
Starting point is 02:25:13 they would drop in and stuff, it's pretty wild. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, it just talking about these guys, it just gets you fired up on creativity and just having a full dome. Oh, William Friedkin got no love. Oh, Friedkin, fuck. That's the thing, but this one,
Starting point is 02:25:30 it's one of those ones where I'm like, I just like, I'm too jacked up. Like, I love my list and I'm also like, there's, I could, I'm never gonna be fully satisfied because there's so many people that I just love their shit. Well, you can say that as the champ. I can say that That was fucking say
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