Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 398 - DRAFT - BEST ACTORS v2

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Starting point is 00:00:32 Also, we got some tour dates coming up. We have the Comedy Store main room, July 29th. We got Bobby Lee on the show. We got Atsuko on the show. We got, who else we got on the show? Bobby Lee, Atsuko, Noel Miller. Big Al. Us.

Starting point is 00:00:53 And probably another heavy hitter, so make sure you come out. I mean, it's such a fun, the Comedy Store main room, you can't beat it. If you're in LA, get your tickets at ChadandJT.com. And then we've got, my next one man show is August 15th at Jam in the Van. Next Bros Before Joes is August 8th,

Starting point is 00:01:14 Comedy Store Belly Room. Then Tampa, we're coming in hot September 23rd. Orlando, we're coming in hot September 24th. Daniel Beach, we're coming in hot September 25th. Daniel Beach were coming in hot September 25th. Get your tickets at ChadJT.com. ["Going Deep"] Trey McBride was your best player? Lamar Jackson, brother. Oh, I need a quarterback. Who cares? Lamar Jackson.

Starting point is 00:01:53 Our quarterback was like QB20. That's right. And whose drafting strategy is that? Mine, bitch. What do you mean? That's mine. Because QB's have the most depth. And you took a well-balanced approach to your draft. No, our Anthony? Wait, it's your strategy, but you don't employ it? I had to switch it up this year. Like I said, I had to mix it up. I had to mix it up We've been QB agnostic for a decade now and that was only reinforced when we lost to Mike White in the Super Bowl

Starting point is 00:02:19 Let's get this thing going. Yeah, so Brad can't judge. I think it's gonna be air on let's go thing going. So Brad can't judge, I think it's gonna be air on. Let's go. We should have had all on the stream. Now we're fired up at each other. Did you record all that? I gotta put respect on your guys's names. You got the dub. Yeah. No don't do that. And if you're in the league you've heard all my talking points because I've said that multiple times before but they still stand. Still true. When's the draft? Mid August? Yeah August 23rd. Yep. Yes, so true. When's it when's the draft mid-august? Yeah, I'm gonna serve. Yeah

Starting point is 00:02:47 Yep, Saturday, August 23rd. How are you feeling about it? I haven't done any else really start my research till August That's what started this is really fantasy stuff starting to circulate But dude my team's so sick if I just kept my team from last year I'd win did minus Michael Pittman jr. Piece of shit. Fuck me Actually your Steelers. The guy broke his back. Minka Fitzpatrick, hit the shit out of him, and literally he broke his back during the season.

Starting point is 00:03:10 Do you think our team would be good if we kept it? Like if we had BTJ, AJ Brown, and Justin Jefferson, do you think that would be a good receiving core for a 14-team league? Who's throwing the ball to Jefferson? J.J. McCart doesn't matter, dude. Was Sam Darnold a a high ranked quarterback last year? Yeah, he did well.

Starting point is 00:03:28 He got paid this year. Was he ranked before the season? No. All right. Is that maybe why Justin Jefferson went for a discount last year? Mike Ennemeckin for a discount. What was the discount? 67.

Starting point is 00:03:40 That is a discount in our league. Yeah. Yeah. Our league drives up the top guys because because we're a bigger league, you want to get one of those top guys. It's not like a 12 team league where you can play the value game and still get a top guy.

Starting point is 00:03:55 I've won with a 12 man and a 14 man format playing the value, so it's erroneous. You have to be careful spreading false information. It's been a while. How long has it been? It's been a while. How long has it been? It's been a while. How long? How long has it been?

Starting point is 00:04:08 I don't know. I should have looked at the trophy. So long I can't count. I don't think it's been in the, what do we call these? I think it was in the teens of the 2010s. It hasn't been in the 20s. So it wasn't from the earlier decade, but maybe within a decade. It was in the Brady years, we'll say.

Starting point is 00:04:26 The Brady Patriot years. My boy Drew Brees. My boy Drew Brees, speaking of quarterbacks. 2016, 2018 maybe the latest. Maybe. Who has the most titles? Me. We're tied.

Starting point is 00:04:37 They're the ones that don't count. That's what they're trying to claim. We have been in the league longer, but a lot of football teams are like that. The Chiefs don't have, or no that's not like if you were to say Newer team if you were to take like Chris and JT like split three titles So like that he has one and a half and he has one and a half and I have three It's harder to co-manage that's tough, especially when you don't even have the app on your phone Show me up You know that you should have done app on your phone. I have the app. Show him the app. Let me see it.

Starting point is 00:05:05 I have the app. And also, you should have done this two years ago. You would have had them, dead to rights. He doesn't have the app. I'm serious, he doesn't have the app. I have it. I mean, if he doesn't have it now, it's deleted, that's okay. Yeah, it's off-

Starting point is 00:05:14 Because it's off- What's your team name? What does that say? Put that on the record. Striders Dank. Actually, no, IPA guy. I'm IPA guy. What does that say?

Starting point is 00:05:21 Does that say fantasy? All right, respect. What's your team name? The G-Nine. He's just trying to throw stuff at us. G-N throw stuff at us. It's a picture of Einstein. Which is G9's plural for genius And it's been our only name Since we joined the league. I think well at least we've been to five Super Bowls. We've won three That's pretty good. It's pretty incredible. It's nice. All right, but today we're competing over something else.

Starting point is 00:05:49 We're running it back. As some of you guys who've been long time listeners know, we've been drafting for three years and our first draft was Best Actor Draft. And it was me, Chad, and my bro. And I came out of the gates, I think with the number one pick pick and I went with Sean Penn. And it's been a stain on your legacy

Starting point is 00:06:09 for these past three years. It's been tough. You are the Sean Penn guy. It was my first time drafting. I do like Sean Penn but thinking about it, I think people think of about 50 to 100 other guys. Like when you say actor, the Rolodex is deep before you get to-

Starting point is 00:06:24 I was getting lunch with Jimmy was in town and we went to Yang Chao, got some Chinese food and I was like, yeah we're redrafting actors and he took Sean Penn with his first pick. He goes, two Oscars, it's a pretty good pick. And he actually like, he kind of stopped me in my tracks and I was like, yeah maybe it wasn't as bad as we said. I mean he is on a love list and he's not like, Maybe it wasn't as bad as we said. I mean, he is on a lot of lists and he's not like, you know, he's up there in the top 50 for sure. My eyes just got really like, I looked at you like, are you being nice about this? Do you know what I mean? Nice. I went and did research on you bros and I listened to that episode, episode two oh two, I believe.

Starting point is 00:06:58 And Chris, thank you for sending. You were being really nice because this was before we did rock, paper Scissors or odds or evens and then you're like, Chris, you're the guest, you should go first and you guys both wanted the same number one guy. And then afterwards you're like, you guys kind of talked at the same time and JT you were like, oh no, go ahead. So then you then Chad went, so you went third in that draft.

Starting point is 00:07:20 Yeah, I think I was trying to, it was probably before I was comfortable with people knowing who I am. Right. And how much I want to win. Yeah, I think I was trying to is probably before I was comfortable with people knowing Who I am right and how much I want to win and like your Hosting and I'm hosting and then I'm like obnoxious and I just want to win all the time It was at your place to the hosting. Yeah, like you weren't here yet. So yeah I wasn't trying to dunk exactly now you want to dunk on me, dude, and I'm not gonna let it happen I'm gonna get let it happen. Maybe I'll go with Sean Penn again, but this is our first draft where we're running it back with the full squad, and let's see how our picks have changed.

Starting point is 00:07:51 I haven't listened to it, so I don't know, maybe we'll regurgitate some. Do you want to recap your old lists? Yeah. I fucking have them here. No, don't recap them. Okay. Because I'm curious to see how we repeat or don't.

Starting point is 00:08:01 And that time we only went four picks. So now we go five. All right, one, two, three, shoot. Oh now we go five. Alright, one, two, three, shoot. Oh wait, that was tainted. One, two, three, shoot. One, two, three, shoot. One, two, three, shoot. Oh, wow. One, two, three, shoot.

Starting point is 00:08:17 Oh, yeah. Could be good. Alright. I like it in this one. One, two, three, shoot. Oh, tits McGee. Oh, I don't even know if I want this. Alright, here we it. One, two, three, shoot. Oh, tits McGee. Oh, I don't even know if I want this. All right, here we go.

Starting point is 00:08:27 Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Oh man, number one pick. Dude, you gotta go Sean Penn, bro. You gotta do it, bro. That would be nice, indeed. No, you know what? I worked really hard on this list, guys. I'm very proud of myself.

Starting point is 00:08:40 I think, for me, the greatest actor of all time. Now why is it? All the great actors have this too, they have intensity. They have commitment. They have believability. They have interesting faces. A lot of them are aspirational.

Starting point is 00:09:03 I wanna be that guy. But what do they really do? A lot of them are aspirational. I want to be that guy. But what do they really do? A lot of them, it's talking. Since we got out of the silent era, it's who can sling that dialogue the best. To me, no one is better at talking than this guy. If you look up the greatest monologues in film history, he's got half the top ones. I'm going with Al Pacino.

Starting point is 00:09:26 Baby, what up? I love my dog Pacino. I mean, dude, any given Sunday speech alone, I listen to that every day when I wake up. It's like, who gets like, it's so fun to do Pacino. Yeah. You know, like, who's, it's like him and Chris are walking, probably get the most impersonations, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:44 by just everyone. Because it's just so fun to do Pacino and any I was I was talking to my fiance about it say here's my thing about Al Pacino You want to have sex with him? That's part of it. He has a good face, but He cannot be miscast Mm-hmm. He is he can play Anything and everything like when you think about what's an Al Pacino role, I mean he has been like a sad guy in Donnie Brasco and in Sea of Love. He can be cocky as shit in Glengarry Glen Ross.

Starting point is 00:10:13 He can be a badass cop and fighter in Heat. You know, he can be subtle like he wasn't the Godfather. He can be over the top in Scarface. And yeah, I just think he, He can be over the top in Scarface and Yeah, I just think he I Can't think of a role that he couldn't play. I think every time he's on screen It's you're like this is a privilege to watch this guy My first watch dog day afternoon. I was I was blown away. I was like, you know, it's a 70s movie I generally I think 70 movies are kind of depressing watch. I was like, you know, it's a 70s movie. I generally think 70 movies are kind of depressing.

Starting point is 00:10:45 But I watched it, I was like, this is awesome. Godfather, I mean, you gotta mention Godfather. And for me, I broke it up like this. I think a pic that's probably coming next. I think there's one guy who's the best at not talking on camera. And then for me, Al Pacino is the best at talking on camera.

Starting point is 00:11:02 Yeah. He's great. He doesn't really do like the, he's a very. Yeah, he's great. He's he doesn't really do like the he's a very versatile actor. He's amazing. But he's not going to do a light comedic fun role. And I do think like, but he could be can be very funny. Like his thing in fucking the Irishman is like, gun, you charge knife. You run like so funny, so good.

Starting point is 00:11:20 I think you're not really casting him in like be interesting to see him like in a romcomcom, but that's a lesser Jack and Jill is I'm seeing the Adam Sandler movie. Did I mean Al Pacino and a meet cute? Hey, hey That's my bus ticket, what are you doing? Magazine you look at a magazine and I'm moving to London soon He couldn't do an action movie you know I Mean Al Pacino no not like not like a more modern one. You know was 80

Starting point is 00:11:52 Yeah, no, but when he was young you know what I mean like he never did like Like like I've been doing research on you. He can't be in a Tom Clancy movie. He totally got he probably could He was in Heat. He was in Heat. It's a total action movie. Yeah, all the action. Even when people accuse him of overacting in Heat, it's the best overacting of all time. I like overacting.

Starting point is 00:12:12 I'm gonna say that I like choices. I like swings in my actors. I like that. He's a great ass. Oh, they're the best ones. I mean, that's like the best line. The thing is, he's like, I don't know. He just kind of owned...

Starting point is 00:12:24 That's like a guy who might talk about later. But like some of the guys just are just better overacting than other ones. Because they're just really good actors. So they can get away with more. And it also makes it super memorable. And his voice is just so good. It's so good.

Starting point is 00:12:40 It's one of the best voices. His face. He's your classic. His face is amazing. Oh, his face. JT says this. His face has stakes. Literally, you could the best voices. His face. His face is amazing. His face, JT says this, his face has stakes. Literally you could just put him, he could be working at CVS,

Starting point is 00:12:50 and he wouldn't need to say a line. You look at him and you go, this guy's got a backstory instantly. And he's, Pacino's one of these actor studio, New York guys, leather jacket wearing in the middle of summer, smoking a cigarette, being like, I'm fucking doing Eugene O'Neil tonight at 3 a.m. in a little theater where they piss next to the stage and it's gonna be the best performance you ever seen

Starting point is 00:13:09 the guy's an actor. He said when he was in high school he used to practice Shakespeare monologues in his room. Love it. Like he was doing Macbeth. That's code for jacking off. I don't know. And he could do Shakespeare. Some of these other guys coming up, could they do the Merchant of Venice? No. And what was it? My favorite line, my life is a disaster zone. My life is a disaster.

Starting point is 00:13:36 I got on the edge of my third marriage or second. They say impression is the highest form of flattery and like you said, is it so much fun to talk like Pacino? Yeah, it, yeah They say impressions the highest form of flattery and like you said is it so much fun to talk and like Pacino Yeah, it's so fun. Well, and then you know him and De Niro shot that scene at one in the morning really they really yeah That's active Wow, and I think that when I was when I heard that I was like man you think oh it must have just been An easy day they rolled in their catering to the start. It's like no no no that was they were tired as shit

Starting point is 00:14:01 Yeah, and they brought it like it was It's like, no, no, no, that was, they were tired as shit. Yeah. And they brought it like it was. Dude, he plays a good devil. Sunday day in Santa Monica. And devil's advocate. Oh, he's incredible. I think a lot of the stokers,

Starting point is 00:14:12 they're saying in the chat they don't like it. I think it's cause they don't really watch movies. Yeah. Like damn dude. A good exercise is if you put someone else into Pacino's iconic roles, does it get better or worse? And then also, can you put Pacino in other amazing roles and would he crush it?

Starting point is 00:14:30 Yeah. I don't want to do that yet because we're probably going to talk about other actors, but I think he could step into a lot of roles he wasn't cast in and still do a great job. All right, who's up next? I am and I'm kind of torn because do I switch it up from last time or do I just stick? Do you remember? I remember his list Yeah, oh, yeah, you got it. Yeah, you're right you Steal don't think I don't know what happened last or after it was your late round steel

Starting point is 00:14:59 I'll switch it up later. I'll stick with it. I'm gonna go Denzel smart I'll switch it up later. I'll stick with it. I'm gonna go Denzel. Smart. Smart. If you didn't do it, I would have done it. The ultimate alpha. Yeah, dude. He is the top alpha male actor. Yeah, I've never seen him play Nebbish. And you know what? I don't think I need to.

Starting point is 00:15:15 And you know what it is? For me, it's pure presence. Yeah. Like he, he's conveying something through the screen and it's grabbing you and pulling you in. Like there's just an energy coming off him I don't know if I talked about because it probably would have been like the 30th movie that I mentioned but man two guns is so fun But he's He's just he's a really good actor he can do drama he's very, although never really in comedies. But like, he's just, he's just got,

Starting point is 00:15:48 he's just such a vibe, dude. He's just so cool. Another guy, I mean, super well trained actor does this day. He could do Shakespeare. Does he do it right now with Jake Gyllenhaal? What are they doing? I think they're doing Othello. I would love to go see that. Oh, that sounds awesome. Dude, I was doing research on Denzel yesterday, training day, one of his great performances. Do you know how much of that he improvised? Tell me.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Dude, he improvised the liquor license scene. Does she have a liquor license? That was his line. Really? Yeah. King Kong ain't got shit on me. He improvised. Geez. The howling like a wolf when they're in the car

Starting point is 00:16:26 was like, cause you're a wolf. Takes a wolf to catch a wolf and he goes, ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo ooo o And Denzel created new through lines that go throughout the whole movie. He had it all in his head and then they just let him be charismatic as shit. It's unbelievable. That's so awesome. I mean Training Day is incredible. I haven't watched it in a while. I should re-watch it.

Starting point is 00:16:57 It's so good. Flight. He's amazing. When he's saying he's an alcoholic, like trembling in his lip. Yeah, it's just so Sorry, what was that? Mr. Whitaker? I said God help me It's been getting memeified a lot Get pushed on me lately. I keep seeing that clip. It's so unbelievable. Yeah Drugs Keep seeing that clip. Oh, it's so unbelievable. Yeah

Starting point is 00:17:33 What John Goodman when he's you know what he's passed out drunk before the final like before he admits to it a junkie Massacred like yes, you're a bunch of drugs When he went in that opening scene when he like does the line of coke and it just cuts to him in the shade Honestly, yeah, awesome. Well, it's like man Denzel's really gonna act like he's on coke Great action star. Yeah, but the dramas are just are Are just as good like he Like I said, like he just hasn't played nevish. I'm sure he could in the right scenario, but I don't know it's just nobody's ever wanted to do that He's so fucking cool. It's like able to dunk and then why would you just do a layup when you can just two-hand jam? He's like why am I gonna even do that? Right? I watched American gangster again recently so good

Starting point is 00:18:20 my you might I think I mentioned this before on the pop of my Basketball coach my high school played Dr. J. Whoa! You see him walk and it was a huge deal. He's like, yeah, I'm in the... He used to call, he's like, he, what do you call him? He's like, he's like, do you call me Malibu? He's a Malibu. He's like, hey Malibu. Good pick.

Starting point is 00:18:47 He's one of the greatest ever. All right, who's up? I mean, you know, okay, I gotta pick this guy because he's the guy that these guys all look up to. He's the guy who transformed acting and brought us into the modern day age of acting. I might get some heat on this for a quote unquote chat GPT pick, but I mean, he's the guy. I wouldn't have guessed that you got it from that

Starting point is 00:19:06 But I'm glad you confessed No, we're not gonna press you Yeah, you know he's he did he bring I'm not gonna press you, it's a good pick. Yeah, you know, he's, did he bring Stanislavski into cinema? Yeah, I would, do you wanna make the pick? Marlon Brando. I think that's a great, great pick. I think, yeah, he brought Stanislavski,

Starting point is 00:19:36 he invented naturalism. Naturalism, yeah. Like stuttering, fidgeting, scratching your face. Yeah. Like all that stuff didn't exist. It used to just be really ornate presentation. There was nothing real about it. Yeah. And then he was like, what are we doing?

Starting point is 00:19:49 Like, and it transformed Dustin Hoffman said he tilted the access of cinema. Yeah. Like every, if you watch every actor from that era on they all picked Marlon Brando. Yeah. I mean, Stella, in a lot of these movies,

Starting point is 00:20:05 like Apocalypse now, he's barely in the movie, but he stole the show. And you know, him playing it so real made everybody else play it realer in the movies with him. Like he literally raised everybody's bar of acting, and he invented the kind of acting that we still watch today. Exactly. I didn't realize that.

Starting point is 00:20:26 That's so cool. I should go back because I haven't seen a lot of his movies. If you're like Mark Ruffalo and you do like You Can Count On Me, the best compliment you can get is Brando-esque. Yeah. Because you're so raw, you're so real. They're like, oh, this isn't an actor. A dude just popped into this movie.

Starting point is 00:20:38 I mean, Godfather, gotta mention it. I actually watched as Julius Caesar. He didn't play Julius Caesar, he played Brutus, but. And the Philistines who listen to this won't get it. Like, he invented mumbling. There's no De Niro, there's no Pacino, but there's no Tom Hardy or Ryan Gosling. Like all those little moves they do where they're like, I don't know, man, I'm just feeling something,

Starting point is 00:21:04 feeling some kind of way. Before that, everybody would be like, I don't know man, I'm just feeling something, feeling some kind of way. Before that everybody would be like, I don't know, I'm just feeling some kind of way. And it'd be like, I don't think anyone's gonna take Jimmy Stewart. But it's like that was the presentation. He was a good actor, but it was all that style of. He was in an acting class and they were like,

Starting point is 00:21:20 hey, act how you would have if this guy came through and a guy came through the door in his acting class and he grabbed the guy threw him to the ground and threw him out and they go what'd you do he goes I don't know this motherfucker. Talk about a face and a voice. Beautiful guy too. Beautiful guy very interesting face. Pretty jacked. Great voice. Super jacked. Recognizable voice. Look at that look at that face. No and a soft voice. Yeah. Like he'd be like this he's jacked and mean and be like I'm gonna kill ya,

Starting point is 00:21:46 but his voice was high pitched. Yeah, I mean, and you know, on the day of my wedding, on the day of my daughter's, I can't do this fucking, I was watching the interviews too. On the day of my daughter's wedding. He was on Dick Cavett, and he calls out Dick Cavett, he goes, I'm not acting, you're acting right now,

Starting point is 00:22:02 you got nine million things in your head, but you're thinking about the next question, am I being funny, am I being bored? Al. You got nine million things in your head, but you're thinking about the next question. Am I being funny? Am I being bored? Al Pacino said the same thing in an interview. They're like, what do you think about acting? He's like, I don't know. He's like, this feels like acting right now

Starting point is 00:22:12 when they're on the talk. Like they couldn't help, but try to be genuine all the time when they're on camera. He famously in an improv scene, he was like doing, he's like Vila Spolin or something, was an improv teacher, I forget who it was, but they're like, oh, oh okay you're a chicken and then all of a sudden like a nuclear bomb goes off or something in the scene and then he like doesn't do anything

Starting point is 00:22:33 and the act the teacher's like what are you doing like you need to react and he goes i just laid an egg and then the teacher's like very good oh very good yes. I mean, he invented method acting. Yeah, so he was like the first method actor. There had been other ones. The school was there, but he was the first one to really popularize it. He was a popular, yeah, he brought it to. And when people think of method acting, I think they think of him and one other guy,

Starting point is 00:22:59 in terms of who employed it. I know Stanislavski and like, there's different acting teachers, but yeah, he was the best. Dude, he's funny too teachers, but um yeah, he was he was best dude He's funny too when he's old he's doing an interview They go what do you think when people say you're the best actor of all time he goes he's dogs run He goes Tim's the best actor of all time because he loves me and he acts like he loves me when he needs food But he had a cool off-screen attitude that was very like flippant and rude, but a lot of people embodied that

Starting point is 00:23:23 I think too he was a he was a difficult guy, which I think you can kind of throw that into the mix for like actors. He's like, you know, he was an artist. And also, he did cool things like, didn't he reject an Oscar? He sent up a Native American woman to accept it on behalf of the hottest Native American woman

Starting point is 00:23:40 you've ever seen. I think she turned out not to be Native American or something. I don't know, I might be wrong on that. But he very much didn't want the credit. Jack Nicholson used to call him the old man on the hill. And they asked Jack why and he said, because he lives above me on a hill. Look how hot he is too on that talk show. Look at him.

Starting point is 00:24:01 I mean dude. Yeah, they say, you know they'd say he'd come on there, he'd never do a script, people would just throw his. Look at him. I mean dude. Yeah they say like you know they'd say he'd come on there he'd never do a script people would just throw his lines out at him. Yeah. It's stuff with like Streetcar named Desire. He had been doing that on stage for so long so sort of this myth came about it like a little bit of like glaze is what Gen Z would say like they would glaze up Brando be like yeah he didn't need the script he'd done the play a thousand times. He just show up he'd know his lines or if he didn't throw it wild So this is me kind of knocking you a little bit, but also at the same time

Starting point is 00:24:29 How are you knocking me? Because that sort of lore about how Brando didn't need to know the line or read a script. How difficult is that? Well, he'd done it a thousand times. So not that hard. I mean, but you say that about but I think that was the case for Godfather True. Also, I've heard that. I don't know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, they had key cards with his lines on them.

Starting point is 00:24:48 I mean, dude, you have to live your character to be able to do that. He's the gold standard. He's the one that all actors point to as the greatest. Yeah, why don't you knock your- Yeah, I've been knocking you. I gotta come at you, dude. I gotta play defense, bro. Do you wanna fight, Nicholas?

Starting point is 00:25:02 Do you wanna put me in a Nolan movie? I don't even know who's on his level in terms of reinventing the thing. I gotta come at you, I gotta play defense, bro. Do you wanna fight, Nicholas? You wanna put me in a Nolan movie? I don't even know who's on his level in terms of reinventing the thing. Like maybe Kurt Cobain with music being like, hey, all this glam rock is lame. Where's the genuineness? We're coming out like this.

Starting point is 00:25:17 I got one, Hendrix maybe? Yeah, but he was just so talented. I don't know if there was, yeah. He's like a Picasso, the multiple perspective. Could be that that could be just breaking it open or maybe I should be it Maybe I just picked God God. Oh, yeah. He is an actor dude pretends like he cares about me. All right Strutting you're up with two picks. That's a great pick. Don't let these fucking nuts. Great. It's great. This chat is like Why didn't you pick a Christian bail yet? I can't look at chat, dude I'm studying your guys right now, dude. They needed that, bro.

Starting point is 00:25:53 I'm studying your guys' lists, dude. All right. I'm going to go with I'm gonna go with my number one pick. This is a guy who's an actor. This guy is a capital A actor. And the knocks on this guy, and I listened to your last draft, but it was the first guy that I thought of when I think of acting. And maybe a knock against him is,

Starting point is 00:26:20 you might be aware of his performance, but damn it, this guy's a good mother fucking actor. I'm going Daniel Day Lewis. Yes, this guy is a beast. This guy is method. So Brando influences him 100%. But you go see his roles and this guy makes a movie about, you go, why did you do this movie?

Starting point is 00:26:44 He's just, what inspires art within this guy is something different for most of us, which I think is a credit to him. But like he does Phantom Thread about like a fucking tailor and makes it interesting. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. And he's a beast about it, dude. He plays the procedural's Lincoln. The guy's just in fucking medium to wide frames telling stories and it's unbelievably captivating.

Starting point is 00:27:08 I think he's more of Abraham Lincoln than Abraham Lincoln. Also he does action. Last of the Mohicans. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. He teaches himself to shoot rifles dude. He does the offscreen actor stuff where he goes and makes shoes for a while. Why?

Starting point is 00:27:24 He's a motherfucking artist. He said this, he said, if I don't have something to give, I won't act because I don't want to disrespect the art. He also does my favorite thing that an actor does when he's not on camera, he puts an earring in his ear. And that's you know he's living real life. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:40 And that he's an artist. He might be playing a bad ass, but off camera, he's a dandy. Yep, he's feeling things. He'll be playing a badass, but off camera, he's a dandy, mishealing things. He'll like, I think for There Will Be Blood, he like, he went out to the desert and lived by himself for like months at a time to try and find, like his voice transforms every time.

Starting point is 00:27:58 Physically, he like looks different. Dude, my left foot is unreal. When he, the soccer scene in My Left Foot, and the anxiousness you're playing, you're like, dude, it is unbelievable, he looks different. My left foot is unreal. When he, when he, the soccer scene in my left foot and the anxiousness you're playing, you're like, dude, it is unbelievable, the physicality. That's one of the greatest performances ever. Yeah, I think, I think his name is synonymous with integrity.

Starting point is 00:28:12 Yep. You're like, this guy is, believes in art. He is a real artist. And the historicity, I think I used that word last time too. If you're watching him and when he does a lot of historical shit, if you're watching him in one of those history things, no part of you doubts the reality of what he's presenting.

Starting point is 00:28:29 You're like, yeah, that's what that guy would have acted like in 1930 or 18. You're like, I am seeing history moving. In Lincoln, Jeremy Strong has a great story. Him and David Straithen, they're doing Lincoln. They're like, this is kind of a crazy movie. We're doing a big Spielberg movie. Like, is this whole thing gonna work?

Starting point is 00:28:43 And then they see the top hat and they see the pipe coming up the stairs and David Straith turns to Jeremy Strong goes, spirits walk. Yeah. And Jeremy Strong said he looked at Day-Lewis' thing and said, oh, we can do this. I believe in it.

Starting point is 00:28:56 Like with him, and that makes that whole movie, you can feel it in the performances. Everyone believes in the reality of it. What greater gift could you give to your co-stars than to make them think this fantasy is real? Yeah. On top of that, the movie itself, if you look at the script,

Starting point is 00:29:10 you're like, without Daniela DeLuz, it's pretty boring. Super boring. You're just talking policy. And like, you know, it's during the Civil War, you don't see much action, but like, you're watching it, and you're like, that's fucking Abraham Lincoln. Like, and you're like, I have to keep watching it because I'm literally watching Lincoln right now.

Starting point is 00:29:29 It's riveting. And if you want more without costumes and things like that, like watching The Name of the Father. It's just like a prison slash courtroom drama. And it's more contemporary and the acting is absolutely amazing. Like it's not, he can transport you anywhere, but he can also, like he doesn't need the costumes and all that, it's just, he has done a lot of period movies, but he still rules.

Starting point is 00:29:55 And like, the movie's so good, he's just so good. And the intensity. Yeah, all these best actors have that, they have that crazy, chaotic intensity that just comes through. I mean, the look in his eyes. And I'm sure if he did a rom-com, it would be amazing. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:30:09 I mean, he did nine. He did Age of Innocence. He's done some that are more gentle than his other things. I mean, if you go look in his eye in Gangs of New York, like that intensity, that ferocity, or like... He wore real glass over his eyes so he could tink it. Unbelievable. But part of me also was like,

Starting point is 00:30:29 so he's the most method guy, right? He's getting pneumonia. Why didn't he take the eye out? Yeah, bro. And then here's my other thing. We all think he's a good guy. I mean, look at his award speech that he gave to Heath Ledger after Heath Ledger,

Starting point is 00:30:43 he passed, beautiful guy, do you know who he was? But if he's, why doesn't he ever play a guy in a movie who cures poverty? Cause then he couldn't take the role. He's, he's, he's one of the greatest ever. Yep, go ahead. No, please baby, fucking let him, let him rip dude, I love this.

Starting point is 00:31:13 I was actually gonna sandbag him a little bit. Okay, go ahead. You got it, only to be fair, you got it. I was watching some of his early 80s, early 90s stuff, like The Unbearable Lightness of Being, AJ Innocent, some of that stuff. I would say after like Gangs of New York on, he's like perfect as an actor, no mistakes, everything believable. Those early roles, a little shakier.

Starting point is 00:31:34 No one talks about this with DeLuz. His early stuff, he didn't quite have the whole bag yet. There was an effort there. I'm trying to convey an emotion here. I would say that's not the case for Brando. No, never with Brando. Yeah, because it wasn't on cameras on stage, so he didn't have the bravery to be captured.

Starting point is 00:31:53 But that's fine. Do you disagree with it? No, no, I don't disagree. Have you seen those? I haven't even seen those. But I'm happy that you have, and you're educating me and the audience on that, and I think that's important.

Starting point is 00:32:04 And I think this next pick of mine is important because this guy, I'm also going with the heavy hitter here. I was gonna go maybe a little more fun for my number two pick but we're going five and I'm gonna get guys that are fun. I can't believe you're gonna go five. So I'm going another big motherfucking actor here who's also, can be very funny, The Rock. I'm going Bobber De Niro. I'm going Bob De Niro here, baby. I got to get him.

Starting point is 00:32:31 He's hilarious in Meet the Falkers, funny, can deliver a comedic line. Also just has the weight. He can deliver the monologue. The guy is an absolute beast. Him in Ronin, I think that was the first in hero movie I saw like as a kid my dad like put on Ronin He's like watch this chase scene introduced me to outies. That was sick. I was big for outie Yeah, when he catches the cup that was our BMW

Starting point is 00:32:56 Mercedes category that sales one up this guy adds an Orange County started saying I'll drive an a6 This movie moves economies Also, dude, I'll tell you right now, the intern, I'm charmed by that guy. It's a lower state movie. Can you start picking some good movies here? What are we doing here? We're just going Robert De Niro.

Starting point is 00:33:14 Also, why is the intern over two hours? And he doesn't need to be. Sharjah's like, Robert De Niro, greatest actor of all time, limitless, very believable, is that heavy? Dude, okay, fine, I'll pick a good one. Dirty Grandpa. Dude, he's so good in, very believable. Is that heavy? Dude, okay fine, I'll pick a good one. Dirty Grandpa. Dude, he's so good in that movie, dude.

Starting point is 00:33:28 I mean, he's a master, he's incredible. That's my knock against him though. In recent past, his choices are, you're like, what are you doing? The Netflix show he came out with, like. Zero Day? Is Zero Day, you're like, what are you doing? I think I think with day Lewis Integrity everything he does you're like there's an integrity here. This is real art al Pacino and De Niro

Starting point is 00:33:53 Unfortunately, they're just they have 20 houses. They're just trying to pay for them all they've got 30 kids Yeah, they're doing crap all up, but I did dude so To me Al Pacino best ever at talking De Niro, best actor ever at listening. Like his internalization of the character is so deep. Like you can just watch 10 seconds of Taxi Driver where he's just sitting there watching TV and you're like, this guy's a fucking lunatic that's about to lose it.

Starting point is 00:34:17 Like he just breathes out like the character. Underrated physically too. Like he does a lot of good physical acting, especially early on like taxi driver, especially like. Shredded and then he gained 60 pounds for the same movie. Oh, right. And he gets I forgot about a raging pool when he gets fat. The original physical transformation.

Starting point is 00:34:37 I think he created that he won two professional boxing fights. Yeah, he drove. He got a taxi license and drove around as a taxi driver. And then oh, and then for Godfather Part two, he lived in Sic a taxi license and drove around as a taxi driver and then oh and then for Godfather part two He lived in Sicily recorded people from different because everyone has different accents in Sicily He recorded people from like 13 different neighborhoods and then just created a combination of wow and then at night He had a super reel of just all a Brando from Godfather one just his scenes and he'd watch it over and over again to get His mannerisms down. It's incredible.

Starting point is 00:35:05 That's dedication to the craft. True student of the game. And dude, if you've ever seen Cape Fear, which I think they should do a remake, did they do a remake of that movie actually? It was a remake. Oh yeah, it was an old, they should do it again though. Yeah, it should be like A Star is Born where you just do it like every couple generations. Dude, he's so funny in that movie but like his slicked hair and his maniacal, we just do it like every couple generations dude He's so funny in that movie, but like believe his slicked hair and his maniacal

Starting point is 00:35:26 He just does push-ups. He does so many push-ups in the movie. You're like fire can't hurt this man and literally Indestructible. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Like it's kind of what in another I shouldn't spoil it now But like you talk about this with I shouldn't say who it is. Maybe if it comes We can fit but like you'd like But like a very subtle gesture in filmmaking where you just feel the strength and power. Like when a guy, like he makes a fist in the movie and you're like, holy shit. Yeah, he's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:35:52 And dude, there's a moment, and I talked about this one on the last pod, I'm sure. In Casino, which is one of my favorite performances by him, Sam Rostein, Sharon Stone's saying, I don't love you, and he's listening. She goes, I'll never like love you the way you need me to love you. And he goes, and he just picks Lint off his lapel.

Starting point is 00:36:13 Like, dude, that choice, like, cause I think a more basic actor would be like, look sad. He's like, this character can't look sad. He's got too many walls up, but it has to manifest somehow. And so all that sadness just comes out in awkwardness and anxiety and it's just him picking out his coat. You can't make that choice.

Starting point is 00:36:30 You just have to be living as that person. That's very real. That might be one of his best. I think it's one of his best because he's playing this, the weakness of the guy I think is what makes it so compelling. It's also what so much of the movie is about. It's just like he just loves the wrong person.

Starting point is 00:36:44 And he's perfect at everything else Yeah, but like he just it just it just kind of you don't see a guy like that play that guy You don't see like a tough mob boss who's just got a weakness for women. It's it's a it's really great It's a great pick. Oh, it's silver linings playbook, too Yeah, when he's a when Brother Cooper's like lying in bed and he's he's like trying to he's trying to get through to him and he's being like counter vulnerable, but still like a man's man. It's just Towing that line it's it's it's also such a good character because he has because like in that movie obviously

Starting point is 00:37:18 Bradley Cooper like has a lot of like Like mental issues, but like so does the dad yeah You see how it how like it's almost exacerbated in the sun and how that creates such good tension in the movie. It's- Yeah, the way they can't get on the same wavelength is so- Yeah, because he has his own hangups in his own. Like, no, you need to be here for the game,

Starting point is 00:37:36 otherwise we might lose. Like, he has his own fucked up things going on. And that's such a fun movie. And he just analyzed this, such so much, like he's done great comedy. Oh movie and he just analyzed this such someone like he'd That's a great I forgot about that. Yes, and he plays a heavy He's like he can he can just do it all those are very good pink strider. Yeah There's so many good Cuz I mean you got two first rounders. Yeah, those are two first rounders. Yeah Chad you're up. All right this guy

Starting point is 00:38:01 First rounders. Yeah, those are two first rounders. Yeah. Chad, you're up. All right, this guy, I'm so pumped to pick him. I mean, you look at his face and you're like, you look at his eyebrows and you're like, what the fuck is, like, he just has most, he has, he has the most, like, the most,

Starting point is 00:38:16 his eyebrows just. Eugene Levy coming in. Let's go. You're just like, you're like, you're like, his face, you're like, it's like chaotic, but he's so charismatic. And I mean, he's just so fun to watch. Nice.

Starting point is 00:38:30 Jack Nicholson. Oh yeah. I love Jack Nicholson. Yeah, great pick. I mean, The Shining, of course. Here's Johnny coming through, you know, just a true psycho. You really like The Shining huh? Because you did pick Kubrick.

Starting point is 00:38:47 Yeah, well you know I guess I like The Shining. I kind of picked Kubrick because like, you said Kubrick or Kubrick? Kubrick. Kubrick, there we go, okay. I don't know. Dude, you know what's interesting? So The Shining when it came out,

Starting point is 00:39:00 I was doing research on Jack, poorly received, got nominated for two Razzie's. Really? Yeah. Yeah, people did not like it, they thought it was a bad adaptation. And Jack Nicholson says, Stephen King hates it. Yeah, and he said that was the movie

Starting point is 00:39:13 where he realized the limits of realism. Like up until that point, he'd always been playing shit real. Yeah. And then Kubrick was like, it's real, but it's not interesting. And I guess in Departed, you know when he's like

Starting point is 00:39:25 kinda like trying to see if Leo DiCaprio's a rat and he drops the gun, I guess that was improvised. And I just saw that somewhere, it was improvised and so like when he points the gun at him, like the fear on Leo's face is like, it's real, yeah, yeah. And what's, I mean. There's a great story about him, sorry, sorry. Yeah, go ahead And what's... There's a great story about him. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Starting point is 00:39:46 There's a great story about him with, I think it's also in The Departed, and I forget where I saw this on a YouTube interview, but it's about there's a cutaway to a scene where they shoot a guy and all it says on page is the character description and the action dialogue is shoots, body falls, like characters leave. It just shows that he's a bad guy is all they're establishing. Then Jack improvises another line, like a great actor, and brings like, there's no small roles or anything,

Starting point is 00:40:14 obviously, to a leading role, but he does this and improvises a line where he goes, huh, that body felt funny this time. You know what I mean? And it just brings stakes to the character. It's just such a choice where it's like- Matt Damon tells us. Yeah, that's it.

Starting point is 00:40:25 And he's like, it's unbelievable that he... But if you keep the camera rolling. Yeah. Yes, that's the thing. Yes. And it's just incredible where you're like, oh dude, he's just so realized who the character is and you could throw anything at him and he would, he'd roll with it. And a few good men, the like stiffness in his body and just his head where he just like embodies

Starting point is 00:40:45 this stiff general where he's just, you need me on that wall. Like it's just, and like, I think he's so good at like, it's so real and he's not really moving when he's saying that but like there's just everything coming out of his face is just so magnetic and just captivating.

Starting point is 00:41:11 Talk about an interesting face. Oh dude, don't. His smile can be so sinister. The smile. Devilish. Yeah, but it can also be just fun. Like here where you're like, oh man, this guy's crazy. It can be both ways where it's like,

Starting point is 00:41:26 it's like, oh, this guy looks like he's having fun, but there's like kind of like a scariness to it. Or it's just like, oh man, this is, yeah, it's thrilling, devilish, that's great. His face and his smile and anger management when he's like, ah. It's like a meme, dude, it's so good. And he's, what I like about his performance

Starting point is 00:41:42 is he's so unpredictable with his energy where you know he's ready to explode, but then sometimes he won't explode. He'll just give you that smile at the end of a beat. And it makes none of it feel scripted or preordained. Like you never knew you were gonna land there when he started going. And I think too, of all these great actors,

Starting point is 00:42:00 I think he's a great movie star as well. Very cool off camera. You can see him having a cigar on a yacht at courtside at a Lakers game, you know, just getting dome. Yes. Like, he's the best at that. He's a movie star for sure. He's cool.

Starting point is 00:42:16 His cardiology is okay. His crotias just going deep though. Something's Gotta Give is a great rom-com too. Yeah, he's amazing. Dude, he's lying. Yeah, he plays such a- he's just such an asshole online. He's lying. So fun. But you're cheering for him. You want him to find love even though like so many times in that movie you're like, dude, you're such a fucking dick.

Starting point is 00:42:32 Why did you say that? My one knock on him is I do think he can be miscast a little bit. And there's a lot of roles he can't play because he has such an inherent devil to him. Like he can't play like a dad in a movie. Yeah, no, it's like that's why. Like even I was thinking about Terms of Endearment where he plays a retired astronaut. And I'm like, that's so perfect because he's like a bachelor

Starting point is 00:42:55 and he's like, cool, but it's got to be a shithead. Yeah, there's just got to be something to him like that where he's a bit and that's why he plays like anti establishment type so well, you know, like one for the Cuckoo's Nest or, you know, like once you have the cuckoo's nest or you know his an easy rider where he does that so well because he just he just kind of has just that little bit of like manicness to it and just kind of Unpredictability and you know those that his 70s run I think is the best decade any actors ever had you got five easy pieces last

Starting point is 00:43:24 detail Chinatown, one flew over the cuckoo's nest. Just unreal. I think- You love Postman Always Rings twice. That's 80s, but yeah, unbelievable. Yeah, he brought that outsider rebel energy, but there was a lot of heartbreak there too.

Starting point is 00:43:40 Like all those characters are pissed off at the system, but then there's a sadness that they inevitably get broken down to. That's one flu over the cuckoo's nest that's like a nutshell the system fucks him in the end. Yeah he's the greatest. Yeah I think he's my favorite actor of all time. He's so cool. He's so cool. Did a good Joker. Mole Red. His Joker was fun. His Joker was fun. It was fun, yeah, exactly. And his voice, also good to do impressions of him. Yes.

Starting point is 00:44:10 They say, who's probably on Chris's next pick, Christian Slater is just doing a Jack Nicholson. Dude, he turned down the lead in The Godfather and in The Sting. Really? And he knew there would be huge hits. And he goes, first I thought an Italian should have the lead in The Godfather and I wasn't doing any scenes with Brando. And he goes, and I did the last detail in Chinatown, which I think are pretty fucking great movies.

Starting point is 00:44:33 Yeah. You got all that. Like which part in the sting then? Paul Newman or Robert Redford? I think he was going to be Newman. Yeah. It's just like everything worked out how it should, right? What a bad actor. You think Chris Evans is turning down those parts? No.

Starting point is 00:44:50 I'm sorry, Chris Evans. I don't think he's turning them down. No. There's one thing I can say about Chris Evans, he seems like a good guy. I agree with that too. Then he's a good actor. Captain America, he's just a good dude. He's got heart. Yeah, he's just a good guy. All right, Chris, you're up. I don't know what to do. Because I could just end up doing it.

Starting point is 00:45:13 You could skip your pick. You guys might have fire lists right now. I don't want to end up, I don't know. The thing is, I really liked my draft last time. So if I ran it back, but is that boring? Because it just- No, you got to pick your guys. There's room for improvement. So if I ran it back, but is that boring? Well, because it just, there's room for improvement. No, you gotta pick your guys. I don't know, it was fucking great.

Starting point is 00:45:29 And I loved my first two picks. You know what, run it back. No, no, I think people will respect that. With the history, you got Knox on this pick. Remember you got Knox. We were like, could this, you were coming at him hard saying, could you put this guy in a Tom Clancy,

Starting point is 00:45:41 and then you joked around and you razzed him real good where you said, yeah, but it was a bad argument. It was a Tom Clancy version where he never leaves the office. Oh,ed him real good where you said, oh, it was a Tom Clancy version where he never leaves the office. Oh, zing, hammered. That's a great burn. I said that?

Starting point is 00:45:50 Hammered him. That's a great burn. You know what though? I think doing your same list over again, you might not win, but it shows a lot of integrity by you. And the thing is, I like a better old list. Do you move someone up? No, no, those other guys keep it.

Starting point is 00:46:02 No, no, no, I don't think so. Come on, who is it? Yeah, I'm gonna do it again I'm gonna go Tom Hanks. Oh All right. Yeah, I wrote this down Decency he just has an unbelievable believable moral clarity and goodness and he is America's dad exactly right thing. This is why and I said it last time and this is why I'm doing it again is like this is why and I said it last time and this is why I'm doing it again is like The amount of roles that are opened up because you have Tom Hanks on your list You know what I mean? Because like okay, is he gonna be in like every De Niro role?

Starting point is 00:46:34 No, but is De Niro gonna be in every Tom Hanks role? No, because like the thing that he can do better than anyone is the everyman Yeah, and that's what I and like and like he's the best at it. He's just like you said, he's America's dad. Like there's just, it's a good guy, regular guy thrust into an extraordinary situation. Yes. And that's his bread and butter.

Starting point is 00:46:58 Captain Phillips. And that's what so many movies are all about. I mean that's what makes it relatable. You know, I have the charisma with Denzel and a lot of these other picks. It's like they just ooze charisma and they just have a totally different vibe. You see yourself in Tom Hanks and that's why he's so watchable. But now you've said it perfectly. If you need a good guy at the center of a bad situation like Captain Phillips or Castaway,

Starting point is 00:47:23 Tom Hanks is your guy. Even Sid is the perfect audience. You know what I mean? Like, he's a teacher. And the restraint when he talks about being a teacher, where he goes, I was a teacher. When he says, no, that's just for me. It's like, yeah, it's just, he's supposed to just represent

Starting point is 00:47:39 just like regular people. But your list is missing something now. And that's the chaotic actor. Yeah, I'll get it, I'll get it. I'll get it. Oh really? Are you sure? Because I can take all the heavy hitting.

Starting point is 00:47:50 No, no, no, no. It's just going back to that. It's just going back to that. I mean, he's Woody in Toy Story. I forgot about that. Yes, yes. He's so good at it, man. He played Walt Disney and Mr. Rogers.

Starting point is 00:48:03 But dude, did that Mr. Rogers movie, was that one scene in the Mr. Rogers movie where he's asking the guy, like, where he's basically like, basically like, tell me what your damage is. Like, I'll really listen. But then at some point, like, it becomes him just looking directly at the camera. So it's like Mr. Rogers is asking you, the audience member.

Starting point is 00:48:19 And I remember being in the theater like, oh man, this is like, he's like, like, Mr. Rogers, like, he's like looking into my soul right now. And it's just, but it's like, of man, this is like, Mr. Rush is like, he's looking into my soul right now. And it's just, but it's like, of course I'm gonna tell Tom Hanks. And Tom Hanks was like, I'll listen to you, you can tell me anything. He'd be like, here's everything

Starting point is 00:48:33 that I was too afraid to say. Because he's just so disarming. Because he just seems like such a good guy. I mean, he plays Captain Phillips and the pilot and Sully. Like, and then Captain Phillips, when pilot and slowly like Captain Phelps when he's in these oh Does that so well and then dude I watched Charlie Wilson's war recently he plays a good like he He's like doing an accent. He's like he's like much more of like a schmoozer

Starting point is 00:49:05 And it's super fun. He's like I'll be in the jacuzzi with some topless He was he didn't do that. He hasn't done that and it like when his earlier like when he's doing more comedies That's where I think he's he's so funny and like and like fun. Yeah, but I will sing in What's the name of that Afghan movie again Charlie Wilson's war? I think there was other actors I think would have done that better. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like like Dennis Quaid or someone like that, like someone who seems like they actually fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And like in Road to Perdition, I know that was him getting outside his comfort zone,

Starting point is 00:49:35 but I was like, you don't look like you killed, you seem like you killed someone once and then retired and started growing a garden. His early stuff too, you got to talk about his rom-coms you got to talk about fun movies like Splash, Joe and the Volcano, Big, Great Wig, Great Banter, yes like just you've got mail I mean it's later but oh and Forrest Gump like maybe the most it's like talk about a movie that just like just the collective consciousness and just like just a stalwart of pop culture Totally there's so many great lines and like big thick accent Kind of ridiculous because like man you could have messed up for a scum big time

Starting point is 00:50:15 You know like you could have looked like i mean his character is dumb, but like you could have looked like a real dumbass Exactly no one else could have done that one. That's maybe one of the hardest performances is like make this like. So you know Young Forest? He, Young Forest filmed Tom Hanks, who didn't have to, went to set to watch the Young Forest kid act. And then it changed.

Starting point is 00:50:39 It was before he even got in front of camera. He'd been rehearsing for months and switched his role and switched the way that he talked to make it more like this kid and found it and then just had the most iconic accent and the most iconic performance because he was matching character traits of this kid. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's fun. Okay.

Starting point is 00:50:58 It's a great pick. You got a rock solid list like you did last time. All right. I'm up with two picks and I really tried to focus on something here. We're doing the best actor draft. Not the best movie star. Correct, you did last time. The best actor.

Starting point is 00:51:14 Now who can act their fucking ass off? This next guy, you could not miscast this motherfucker and they tried. I mean, he could be a buffoon in a broad comedy, a diabolical arms dealer in an action movie, in a feet gay writer, a surly baseball manager, or a snobby playboy and it was all correct. I'm going with gone but not forgotten,

Starting point is 00:51:39 Philip Seymour Hoffman. This is a great pick. It's a great pick. And this is the, this is amazing pick right here. This guy is a top runner and talk about versatility in acting. Talk about character acting. Unbelievable. Unbelievable stakes. And obviously he's good in everything. A couple of things I adore about this man. No one could modulate being fun or boring the way Philip Seymour Hoffman could, depending on the part.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Like if you're an almost famous, they're like, dude, be cool and exciting. He's like, I got you. Then in Moneyball, they're like, dude, you're just kind of drab. He's like, I'll play drab. There's no ego, no vanity. It's what does the part call for?

Starting point is 00:52:16 And everything is so lived in. Dude, my introduction to him was in Twister as the cool guy in the van. Yeah, and he's so good in that. He's memorable in it. He's so good in that. You would just remember him. And he's just a guy in the van. He's just one's so good in that. He's memorable in it. He's so good in that. You would just remember him. And he's just a guy in the van. He's just one of the hangarons of their crew.

Starting point is 00:52:29 But it's like you have such... because the thing is he could stand out on those roles because he would... as what you were getting at, whatever it called for, whatever the character called for, he's able to do. He needed to be like a fun buffoon with long hair and he's in a cutoff and he's going like radical like he could do that but he could also be the most intelligent person in a room or like have like insane gravitas it's a whatever the role called for he could do because he's because he's a chameleon yeah you got to give him extra credit he's not a

Starting point is 00:52:57 conventionally handsome or fit guy in an era where all the other actors were and no one cared but he's still signed up that's how good he was as an actor that he just worked his way up to where he was starring in worldwide releases, like major motion pictures. He's starring in it and it's like, no, he's not like, he's not hot. And it's hard to do. And so there's aspirational where you're like,

Starting point is 00:53:18 oh, I wanna be that cool movie star guy. And then there's aspirational where you're like, I wish I could be as authentic as that guy. No one plays Insecure better than Philip Seymour Hoffman boogie nights unreal Unreal even in a long game poly the insecurity of that character comes through he could always crystallize that Even in like the master where he's he abandons naturalism goes big-time theatrical You still felt that pain from that character at all times. Oh he's soaking in the mask. This is a great thing. Unbelievable. This is an actor which I really missed. You guys did your honorable mentions later and talked about a few of these guys.

Starting point is 00:53:52 Yeah but we were. You were drafting different. You guys. You did. We blew it. We lean movie star. You did. You went last time around. And you guys talked about it. I'm not doing that. You're like I'm only taking actors in their primes to recast now and the biggest blockbusters. I'm glad that now we're taking actors Yes, and this guy is an actor as Mike Nichols said he willfully rearranges his molecules to become another human being. Oh Yeah, oh, yeah Best hand job on screen this next pick that is the best. Yes. I'm treating that man's hooch. Yes Yeah, we got we gotta get the boys together. We gotta watch the master.

Starting point is 00:54:27 Well don't worry, because with my next pick, we might be able to keep talking about it. Whoa. So for me, here's my thing. You wanted this guy? I came up in the 90s, you know, Gen X disillusionment. What actor best brought that to the screen?

Starting point is 00:54:42 What I love the most about this next guy, beyond his weirdness and intensity and the fact that he's so weird and intense, I didn't even realize he was good looking for 30 years. He's super handsome. You would never know cause he's so weird. But the thing I like the most about this guy that no other actor brings,

Starting point is 00:54:58 no one seems like they wanna be on camera less than my next pick. It looks like he's itching to escape from the movie. There is an existential discomfort in everything he does and that is powerful. I'm going with Joaquin Phoenix. I love it. Great pick.

Starting point is 00:55:13 I love this, I love your list. You're shot up my rankings. I think I like your list the most. I said him on Theo's podcast, I was like, damn, he's hot. He's so good looking. You never know, because he's so committed to the weirdness Yeah, yeah, and he just he obviously like out of teaming manufacture to it's really loves playing

Starting point is 00:55:33 Weirdos yeah. Yeah, and he is it said like what's like the most normal Joaquin Phoenix role like her Yeah, that's which he's the uncle in science. He's the fun uncle. Oh my god. Yeah, he's the fun uncle. We own the night. Yeah, which he's been crazy. He's amazing. And in science, he's awesome. Like a normal dude, you're laughing with him. But yeah, dude, he's so good. His physicality, I mean, I know we rise on him,

Starting point is 00:55:56 the Joker, where like his shoulder blade should have won an Oscar or something. But like, he's unbelievably. He's really good at that movie. And then the believable chaos. Is this guy really the unhinged guy he's playing? Like is he really gonna explode? And he makes it feel real as shit.

Starting point is 00:56:11 And dude, comodist, bro. I play it for four. And when he puts his tongue out, ah, dude is so good. Yeah, it's a great pick. I mean, he's really funny. And he can beat like two lovers. He just plays a sad loser.

Starting point is 00:56:24 But then there's one scene where he's got to turn it up and he does a little blow ski and he takes Gwyneth Paltrow to a dance club and he hits the worm. And it's out of nowhere, like just electric. Yeah, super, super pumped on him. I love this dude, I love your list, it's sick. It's a great list. I'm going with the actors dude.

Starting point is 00:56:44 I mean Seymour Hoffman is, He's, I feel like he's He's sick. It's a great list. I'm going with the actors dude. You know what? Seymour Hoffman is, He's, I feel like he's so good it feels like he's still alive. Do we feel like, it's like, Yeah. I put him in like the, He's never gone. I put him in like the Daniel Day-Lewis category of like,

Starting point is 00:56:56 who's like, like might be like the best actor, actor. Cause a lot of the time it's like, we're picking based on like body of work too. But like when I think of like, like, you know, like who's your best actor like who are you gonna send? Who are you gonna send? Oh, I they have to act their ass off to do something. It's like I don't know I might Phillips Seymour Hoffman might be like I think we should go with him. Yeah, I think he has the best chance of saving humanity Yeah, whatever they give him whatever script they have. I'll tear this shit up. Yeah, Jake are these magic minds good? Are there any in the fridge?

Starting point is 00:57:25 Oh, dude, Chad's got a magic mine. I know man Gotta take some supplements to help them in the late night. I'm down to if you if you got if you have enough to spare Field bring one over for me dude. Okay real quick gotta glaze you up a little more right here. I'm saying glaze Yeah, go like it 60 exactly Yeah, I like it. Yeah, yeah, we're in love too. I mean, you are 60. This is dead.

Starting point is 00:57:44 Exactly, dude. I'm having a midlife crisis, dude. Bet, twin, dude. All I want to say is this is the first guy you've taken, or the first guy we've taken right now with, I think, musicality. This guy's in Walk the Line. Granted, you know, Johnny Cash isn't like the most- The hardest voice to do.

Starting point is 00:58:01 Yeah, but he does the singing in that and he nails it. Also, dude, another role where I feel like he's more Johnny Cash than Johnny Cash. Like I watched Johnny Cash in interviews and I'm like, I prefer Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. I'd rather see Joaquin Phoenix. He elevated the real life guy. I know that their kids said, the kids said, yeah, it was a good performance, but her but she was our mom. Whoa! About just a pooh-pooh little thing.

Starting point is 00:58:29 Like the children were like, yeah, no, he did a pretty good job, but she did an amazing job of June Carter and that bit of Reese Motherspoon. I do not love Reese, bro. So just to glaze it up a little bit though, too. Ha ha ha! The Philip Seymour Hoffman walking Phoenix scene in The Master when they're doing the auditing.

Starting point is 00:58:49 Did you ever talk about that? No, but it's just, it's one of the, it's one of like, I think about that when we talked to, when we drafted directors, you know, like we talked about The Master, it's like the auditing scene was like one of the first things that come up. And he's like, and he like fucking like smacks them. It's like, we should, it's another one where like, let's just get together and let's just watch the master. I was watching Al Pacino and Donnie Brasco, the scene where he confronts Donnie in the

Starting point is 00:59:11 car and he's like, dude, if you're a rat, I'm the dumbest motherfucker. If I ever have money, I give it to you. That scene, he doesn't blink once. These good actors can control, if you watch me on camera, I blink nonstop. Michael Caine says that suggests weakness. Okay, that's what I was going to say. Michael Caine says if you blink it suggests weakness Camera have you seen it's unbelievable. It's unreal, bro. What does he do?

Starting point is 00:59:30 He just he knows where to look he goes if you look to the left of the camera here What you're gonna suggest is a focus on the person's intentions if you look over here, you're gonna have focus on your surroundings It's something like that and he's like spot and he like does it to the interviewer and he's like and he's like I'm talking About nothing now, but look how captivated you are. And it really is, yeah. It's engaging. It is, I'm not picking Michael Caine,

Starting point is 00:59:51 but we can talk about him because he's a legend. He's pretty sick. But he's got a great voice. Yes, him and Steve Coogan and the other guy in those movies, the vacation movies. Dude, have you seen the guy who does the impression of Steve Coogan? No.

Starting point is 01:00:03 It's the best impression ever. Really? It's like of the impression. It's so funny. He said to me Coogan. No, it's the best impression ever. It's like It's so funny, I love Steve real quick pivot to Chad did you watch all the Rockies for the first time I watched Three and four I started to and I've seen all the creeds. What did you think of three and four? I Love them. I like three more than four. Oh Interesting. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I thought, I mean, four just watch three. I'm not gonna need to read because you like Apollo.

Starting point is 01:00:29 I like Apollo, and I thought the pacing in four, it's just like, Apollo dies, and then he's like, and now I'm going to Russia. I thought it just moved a little too fast. Yeah, I guess when I watched Rocky before, I basically just watched the second half. Yeah. Like it's after he goes for the drive,

Starting point is 01:00:41 and it's like the montage of all the things where he decides to fight. Yeah. Like I kind of watch, it's like I somehow catch the Apollo fight where he dies Yeah, and then I pick up with him in Russia for it. Yeah, I cut out the middle 20. I love them They're there which we'll training montage. Did you like more a for? California I mean it they're running on the beach. But the contrast of you're on the machines and I'm doing it out on the analog style. The soundtrack, I mean, Four is like,

Starting point is 01:01:09 it's quintessential 80s with the soundtrack, everything. And how about the opening to Four, dude, the two gloves turning, and then they missile at each other and explode. Oh, dude, yeah. And the movie hasn't even started yet. And the way, like, every punch he takes, it's like, should have just killed him

Starting point is 01:01:27 It's like the sound effect is like a building falling down He gets knocked to the ground and there's no standing a count. He just pops up and goes His hands never get within a foot of his face to block Like he literally fights the whole time with his hands like yeah yeah like almost like he's doing what a cactus pose Yeah, and I mean I haven't Drago's obviously an incredible villain, but I mean mr. T also very good verbal to eat our boys I know you can't you got me a beautiful like it's it's they're just so much fun alright Chris Europe uh I Am going chaotic energy, dude.

Starting point is 01:02:06 But the thing is, he's also a movie star. Where's your intense guy? Nick Cage. Oh, you pivoted. You snagged him. That's a huge pivot. You snagged him. That's a great pick.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Dude, I was not expecting that. Wow. Yeah, baby. You needed Unhinged. You went ultimate on Unhinged. That was the number one Unhinged guy. Dude, great pick. This is a great pick. That's a great

Starting point is 01:02:27 One of the joys of listening to history is day is when Strider just starts doing a Nicolas Cage impersonation, but he's not doing one. It's just how he talks Convinced and I think I've mentioned it before like in 30 years Strider is just gonna talk like Nicholas in 30 years, Shrider is just gonna talk like Nicholas. It's like, there's a slow creep, wherever he's talking more and more like a Nick Cage impersonation, to where eventually that's just gonna be

Starting point is 01:02:50 how he sounds. And I'm all here for it, because yours is good, and you sound, dare I say, cooler when you do it. Thank you. I should just do that from now on. So I think in the long run, it's gonna work out for you. All right, Nick Cage, I did, you were right,

Starting point is 01:03:06 I needed some chaotic energy. I mean, he was a punchline for it for years. He was amazing for it, then he became a joke for it, and now it swung all the way back around to where like, and he never changed, you know what I mean? Like, he's always been doing this from like day one, he's been like, like moon struck, like he's like insane in that movie. Yeah, it's like a beautiful romance Yeah, and he's so good. You can't take your eyes off him

Starting point is 01:03:31 He's so magnetic in that movie and then he I was talking about I was like prepping I was talking to Becca on the drive over and I was talking about Nick Cage and I was like and then his action movies He plays the supreme badass in con Air, but also just good guy. But then he's also his best action movie in my opinion. He's a nerd and he's thrown and it's one of those regular guy smart, but regular guy thrown into an extraordinary situation. Stanley Goodspeed the Rock and he's amazing in that. And he does any like figures it out, you know, like does just enough to survive and then

Starting point is 01:04:04 like ultimately like win fights, but does just enough to survive and then like ultimately like win fights but like still has to use his brain. And then you have like adaptation where he plays twins with completely different personalities. And he's like, and he has like so many different mannerisms and just, and he just, they seem like two totally different people even though he's playing both of them, which is, you know, a testament to how good he is in the movie. And he, he can just do so much and he's playing both of them, which is a testament to how good he is in the movie. And he can just do so much. And he's always known for going crazy.

Starting point is 01:04:28 And he's amazing at it. Maybe the best ever at that. Big time, dude. That's in Mandy. Remember his late performance in Mandy was amazing. Mandy's really fun. The scene when he's drinking the vodka in the bathroom. Ah, ah, ah.

Starting point is 01:04:41 Dude's so good. And I think people think he just does the over the top shit, but it's super like layered. Like it's smarter than people think it is. Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of subtlety and nuance in addition to there's these huge massive explosions, but it, that those are the things that are more memeable, but there's also all the stuff in between before those things happen. And you know, to your your alien thing if aliens came down

Starting point is 01:05:05 We're like hey We only have one line of dialogue and we need an actor to rip this and make it exciting. I'd be like give it to Nick Cage Yeah, and he'll find what's cool about it family man. You're excited incredible movie. Yep. Love it great monologue I mean, we're not even talking about raising Arizona incredible Yeah, super yeah, he can be absolutely hilarious. And based that performance on the Road Runner, right? Oh, did he really? In Raising Arizona, I think so.

Starting point is 01:05:32 A lot of great actors based on performances off of Birds. Birds, yeah. Lot of stinkers. Lot of stinkers, but interesting, like Pig. Way out of left field. His most recent one, Long Legs. Oh yeah. Do you guys watch Long Legs?

Starting point is 01:05:48 I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it, but I heard it's great. It's insane, but it's like, you can't really tell that's Nick Cage, but it's like, I mean he's just so good in it, and you're just like, he makes the movie, I think. And I think we talked about it, I think we talked about it before, but in Face Off,

Starting point is 01:06:03 he's kind of like better Yeah, both cast or Troy and Sean Archer Like a Travolta is really good at that movie But like it's just like I just think Nick Cage is like better and like I'm like seeing him against another actor where they Both have to play these two guys Face-off where Nick Cage has Travolta and he's going And then they cut and Travolta and he's going, die! Die! And then they cut and Travolta just starts cracking up and excited. He loves it.

Starting point is 01:06:29 He's like, oh my god. It's so funny. It's so funny. It's incredible. It's like, you're okay, we're good. Yeah, he instantly breaks. The moment they say cut, he just is a normal guy again. And Face Off, when they're at the, I don't know, like the airport then like the airport or whatever He gets out of the car the way the wind

Starting point is 01:06:47 Oh his coat. Oh, yeah, and it's got like but like purple on the inside. It's just oh man It's a sick outfit and was he have like they give him like he has like he has like chicklets Listen gold guns He's so good. It's so great kick-ass You pivoted off a guy who will probably come up later, but I think the thing I like about your replacement pick here with Cage is that he's more memorable. Yeah. Yeah. The vampire movie when he's like doing the count, the ABCs or whatever it is, or like

Starting point is 01:07:17 is he counting in it or something like that? You know, I've never seen that movie, but I've seen it. I've seen the clip. And then of course the super cut in Wicker Man is pure gold. Oh yeah. Or like Bad Lieutenant, Great Mortar Call New Orleans.

Starting point is 01:07:30 I mean he's like, he like takes like an old lady off oxygen, like and is like, I'm gonna kill her. Like he's so insane in that, like. It's very near Herzog, right? Yeah. It's great man. That movie, it's super fun.

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Starting point is 01:10:06 It's a steal. Back to the show. All right, Chad, you're up. All right, this guy, you know, he's one of our modern day great actors. He's a little bit younger than the guys we've picked so far. I'm a big fan of his. This guy, everyone's kinda like,

Starting point is 01:10:23 what's this guy gonna play next? And he's one of those actors, especially in this day and age where people were rooting for him to win the Oscar, he deserves it, he's one of our great actors, one of our great movie stars, going Leo DiCaprio. It's a great pick. This won you the draft last time, this is smart. Was that late pick?

Starting point is 01:10:43 That was your last pick. That was your last one. Wow. And that won you the draft, so you're moving him up on that late pick? That was your last pick. That was your last one. Wow. And I won you the draft, so you're moving them up on the list, I think it's a good move. I mean, you know, I think a big, it's like, his movies are an event, Wolf of Wall Street, and Django, I mean his performance in Django, when he cuts his hand, the look in his eyes,

Starting point is 01:11:02 like the anger, it's just, that, I re-watch that dinner table scene all the time. We were talking about, I was talking so much about Django, because we talked about it on the director's draft again, where like, and I was like, last night, like prepping, I was like talking about like, how good he is in that movie. If you take your hands off that turtle shell tabletop, Mr. Pooch will come to lose the bullbear that I sawed off.

Starting point is 01:11:27 Nice, you do watch it a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that scene. Departed, he's so good. Gangs of New York, what else is he in? That was a big one, Gangs of New York, because they were trying to make him into a teeny bopper. Yes. Like no one has used their celebrity

Starting point is 01:11:44 more for their art than him. Like he's like, okay, I'm gonna capitalize on people being obsessed with me to make like really good movies. Yeah. And I think that's what separates him from like, like I'll just keep using him not to pick on the guy, but like Chris Evans, pretty good actor.

Starting point is 01:11:56 Like I don't, but like what separates DiCaprio from like him and Ryan Reynolds and some of these other guys like, his commitment to not doing shit. Yeah. Like he'll only collaborate with the best people and he'll only do a movie if it's like, if it's all artists involved. He kind of sacrifices looks a little bit.

Starting point is 01:12:13 Totally. He kind of let himself go a little bit. Looks like Jack for an Oscar. For the Oscar, yeah. Well I think a lot of for a while there, he was like I gotta rough it up if I'm gonna win one of these babies. Oh totally.

Starting point is 01:12:22 And then it finally worked out with the Revenant. Yeah, yeah. And dude, oh fuck, what was I gonna say? Dude, and also the lore around him, you know? He has Doki with headphones on and he vapes. I mean. But he does both. It's that contrast.

Starting point is 01:12:38 He's a total fuck boy and he dates a college kid even though he's like 50. But then he's trying to save the environment and he only acts in movies with Martin Scorsese and like in a route to and stuff And you're like, yeah, he's killing it And I think Django is such a good part for him. I think I think he can be slightly miscast like in the Revenant I don't think that's perfect for him But I think if he's playing a dandy who's kind of has juvenile emotions

Starting point is 01:13:02 He's the best like catch me If You Can once upon a time. Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah, and Django. That to me is like, he's... He's so good. That is true. 11 out of 10. That's probably like my favorite stuff from him.

Starting point is 01:13:14 Titanic too, he crushed it. Beautiful performance. What a cool kid in that, man. Oh, dude. I was ready to leave the bow with Jack. The man, dude. The hair, I mean everyone had that hair for a little bit. Throw my money away, I just wanna be Jack, dude. The hair. I mean, everyone had that hair for a little bit. Throw my money away.

Starting point is 01:13:25 I just want to be Jack, dude. Just living on the boardwalk. His speech at dinner, dude, when Cal tries to fuck with him, you know? And he throws the matchbook back up. Yeah. Killer. Blood diamonds good?

Starting point is 01:13:38 And you know what's cool? We've been watching him since he was a kid. And we've seen him kind of do it right. He's almost like LeBron, where you're like, is this pre-teen gonna be able to navigate all of this? And then 30 years, 40 years later, they did it. Yeah, he, yeah. One spot time in Hollywood, I mean, people,

Starting point is 01:13:55 who's talking about, oh, in a Brad Pitt interview, they were talking about the freak out scene, no, when he's acting in the TV Pitt interview, they were talking about the freak out scene, no, when he's acting, when he's acting in the TV show scene, it's like the layers to that performance where it's like he has to play kind of a desperate actor who's not very good, but is also giving his best role, his like best performance of his career.

Starting point is 01:14:22 And it's like, you know, but not doing a Leo DiCaprio performance. It's like finding that happy medium. There's so much complexity to that. And it sounds like I'm taking a shot at someone here and I kinda am, but I like this actor. I think people hear that and they're like, how hard could that be?

Starting point is 01:14:37 I'm like, watch Adrian Grenier try to do that in Entourage. Oh yeah. And then see the difference. Yeah, 100%. It's a great pick. And he's our movie star, he's the guy. All right, Strider, you're up with two. All right, I've got two big leading men here.

Starting point is 01:14:51 You're in a tough spot here, brother. This is tough. I think a lot of the biggies are off the board and now it's like, where do you go? But I've got a guy that I love so much right now. And your Philip Seymour Hoffman pick inspired me with how much Stoke, and it sort of set the tempo for this draft in my opinion. And it's influencing my pick now.

Starting point is 01:15:11 Like Marlon Brando influenced. Very much so because we've been on the stage so much and we've talked so much off camera and we've really adapted and created our essence off camera and now we're just capturing it here. I could probably take this guy four, but I might take another guy who's fun at four who maybe doesn't have a filmography. Aaron's big on order. This would be funny if you didn't actually know who you were picking right now. Yeah, exactly. Sean Penn. No, dude. I'm going to go with this guy's the most transformative

Starting point is 01:15:42 actor I've ever seen in my life. He looks so different from role to role. I'm going Gary Oldman. Good pick, man. Oh, you've got a good list, dude. This guy. You got some actors. You got some motherfucking actors on your list. He plays Winston Churchill.

Starting point is 01:15:53 He's more Churchill than Churchill. And then have you seen him in True Romance? The guy's unreal. And then the villain in Fifth Element, you look at him and you go, holy shit, that's the same fucking guy, which I think is the biggest compliment you can give an actor, not knowing that they're the guy. I think he's so good that he's kind of overlooked

Starting point is 01:16:13 because it becomes his character so much, where people are like, people realize it after the fact, they're like, oh fuck, that was Gary Oldman. And so people don't really put him up in that higher echelon in lists and stuff just because he's so good, he's that much of a chameleon. Dude, he plays a nondescript Eastern European terrorist in I think he's Chechnyan.

Starting point is 01:16:38 Oh, is he Chechnyan? Okay, Chechnyan. Maybe. In Air Force One. Okay, that makes sense to be Chechnyan in Air Force One. He's amazing in that with his accent. Offer guys in Air Force One. And then, dude, in Leon thechen in Air Force One. He's amazing in that with his accent. Offer guys in Air Force One. And then, dude, in Leon the Professional.

Starting point is 01:16:47 He's a great bad guy. Yeah. The best line in Leon the Professional. Everyone! Dude, when he does that. He plays unhinged very well. He was to the tilt in that one. So, I think we told this story on the last draft.

Starting point is 01:16:57 Our friend Robert didn't believe us. He thought we were trying to prank him when we said Gary Oldman was the guy in the fifth element and in True Romance. Yeah. He was like, dude, shut the, quit trying to fuck with me. We're like, it's the same guy. He's like, no, it's not, dude.

Starting point is 01:17:13 Dude, and then he does really, he can, it's like, he can really disappear. He's a chameleon. And which I think is, yeah, like I said, huge for an actor. And then also right now, if you guys aren't watching Slow Horses, he's probably playing the most fun role on TV where he just literally calls

Starting point is 01:17:26 everyone a dumbass the whole time but does it so many farts. And he just farts and like burps and like he's like with his boss like head of MI6 and she's like goes to talk and he farts and he goes sorry did you say something? It's awesome. Yeah it's amazing like I want to see this guy. It's a great character. What with slow horses on? It Apple. Yeah, it's a good he like runs like an outfit of like like Bad agents basically we're like when they like fuck up They get sent to like this shittiest detail that you can imagine where like they're like in their own office building

Starting point is 01:17:59 That's like derelict and yeah, they don't even they don even have access to like the main spy agency building And all he does is just sit there and be like and they're like hey we did this he's like yeah Well, you miss us didn't you cuz you're fucking dumbass like he literally calls all of his people dumbasses all the time But he's a really good spy. He's just and then obviously they get you know It's every season they get pulled into something that's above their head and above their pay grade. And you know, he's so good at it. It's really fun. I'm glad that Slow Horse is out there

Starting point is 01:18:31 because it's such a good, like late stage. And I just get to see Gary Ullman in this character just over and over again. And you picked a chameleon. Yes, and I want a chameleon on my list. When people think of actors, can they mimic someone? Can they become someone else? He is number one on that.

Starting point is 01:18:47 Okay, go ahead. I'm gonna. Please come at me, you got it. Come at you a little bit. Totally fair. Can he pull off the lead role? I mean, he transforms in Darkest Hour. Thank you for saying that,

Starting point is 01:18:59 because I was thinking it. He's Churchill in the Darkest Hour, but that's a very character-driven film. So you're thinking, like, does he have the Riz to be like the lead guy? Like a like a yeah, I don't want to say any names in case anyone takes him. I wouldn't worry about these other guys. But like, yeah, could he be an Indiana Jones? No, no, no, no, he can't.

Starting point is 01:19:19 It has to be a lot of it has to be a little. But he could be he could be the evil center. I will say, I don't know if anyone on our list, there's maybe two, I think Denzel might be the only guy I think could be Indiana Jones of all the guys we've picked. I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah. And that's a special skill that Harrison Ford has

Starting point is 01:19:35 where because of the way he plays stuff, he can play Star Wars, Blade Runner, it can be the craziest universe and he'll underplay it and he's solid enough where you're like, yeah, he's the rock you build that church on. To quote you from the last one, you go, he has the shoulders.

Starting point is 01:19:48 And you said not physically, even though he's pretty built, but he has the shoulders to carry the weight of the world. Yes. And that's quoting you. Dude, I was killing it. My draft was so bad though. Dude, Nick Cage would be an interesting Indiana Jones. That would be kind of cool.

Starting point is 01:20:02 What? Oh yeah, that'd be interesting. He becomes like national treasure, but he's not doing any gun fighting. Which would be kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Oh yeah, that'd be interesting. It becomes like national treasure, but he's not doing any gun fighting. Which he's great. I thought it was, but it is like, it is like a more, you do think of Indy as like a more cerebral guy. Yes.

Starting point is 01:20:15 Like yes, action, but like he can do it all. He's the most handsome. He's a professor. Yeah. You know? I'm thinking Nicholson would have been really fun. I mean, these guys could do it, but like Nicholson, Joaquin Phoenix, you know, Leo, I don't think actually,

Starting point is 01:20:28 they'd all be, they could all do it, but it wouldn't be Indiana. Leo would be a weird Indiana. Al Pacino would be hilarious. You mean you got a fucking rock, and then we got Nicks, and we got Nazis coming at us, right? You wanna talk about some chalice. I ain't got time for chalice, okay?

Starting point is 01:20:43 We gotta get on the motherfuckin' road right now. Could Al Pacino be... Did he ever play a foreigner? Did he ever play a non-American? Could he? Like a British guy? Just what, like... General Reeves is British. Like, Hanks plays that guy from The Terminal. You know, he's like from a different... Oh, yeah. A man from Otto.

Starting point is 01:20:59 Brad says he can do it. He plays a man from Otto. Remember in that? Yeah, but isn't he just American in that? I don't know. I watched part of of on the plane couldn't hear fell asleep I'm pretty sure he's just I think he's from like Philadelphia Like from like small town Should probably definitely want some I think I think Hanks won an award for it Fuck when the terminal came out that was an event. Do you guys remember that?

Starting point is 01:21:25 Oh yeah, yeah. Caffe Zita, bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ketchup packets. All right guys, let's get serious. I'm so happy I get this guy. I'm not risking it. I want him at five, but I'm not risking losing this guy.

Starting point is 01:21:40 And you're gonna say, Shredder, there's other big names on here. Maybe I'll get a big name to round off my list. This guy, everyone knows him. And I think on none of our lists right now, we captured singing and dancing, which this guy can do. Also, he's an athlete.

Starting point is 01:21:56 This guy is truly just a natural athlete and plays a great athlete on camera. The guy has won an Oscar for transforming into another real life human person. He has a great background in sketch comedy. He's an unbelievable live performer. I think you truly could put this guy in anything.

Starting point is 01:22:13 I don't think his filmography necessarily is there, but he could do it and maybe still can if he wants to. I'm going to Jamie Foxx. I think this guy's a beast, dude. I think this guy is truly an unreal performer. Yeah. And he plays subtle, but he's an Oscar winner, and I think he can do truly anything.

Starting point is 01:22:33 On talent, he's top 10 entertainer ever. Yeah, he really can do it all. He might be the most talented guy alive. He's an unbelievable leading man. My only thing is, interesting. Body of work. That's what I'm saying and I said it. I said it. He doesn't have the body of work but I think he truly could and maybe he hasn't made the best choices. I think this guy he has unbelievable sick movies like if you want to give him like a to rattle off like a top three like dude fucking any

Starting point is 01:23:02 given Sunday is Willie Beeman, badass, although that's a great Pacino movie. No, he's great in that. Collateral. Collateral, unbelievable playing the regular guy, playing like as a true alpha on screen, playing like second to Cruz, unbelievably sick, and then Ray for what she won an Oscar for,

Starting point is 01:23:19 and then Django, fucking awesome, does action. I think he's a dude who like, you could believably put Jamie Foxx in as Indiana Jones I think oh, yeah, he's unbelievable. I my only thing is I think there's some other guys on the board I think I could have got Jamie on the I don't think anyone was gonna take Jamie I was afraid you guys would have especially because maybe I listened to the last draft a little bit too recently cuz you guys were To quote myself glazing on quite a bit. Oh, we were you guys were glazing them. But yeah, maybe I could have got him later, but he's awesome, dude. He's incredible. I love him. And you know what? I'll say this. It's

Starting point is 01:23:53 not acting. Best interview guest in his talk show guest. Number one of all time. He's unreal. And then also, dude, the thing that you quote all the time when he's like destroying that comedian's career, which is so mean. Yeah. Also, one time I saw him at a... Yeah, the Emmet Smith roast, right? Yeah. Saw him at a Billie Eilish concert one time, sitting like a few rows by me, which was cool. And multiple people asked him for autographs. And he just went, nah. Our friend worked for him as a writer's assistant. And Jamie one time handed him like $500 and said, get us some printing paper. 500 books, that's amazing.

Starting point is 01:24:28 What do you want, gold printing paper? And he almost died, we're glad we still got him. Yeah, dude. You know, it sticks out on your list like a fucking. It's so funny, because you're just like, it's like so many capital, because like, what he has is like that movie star, like, coolest.

Starting point is 01:24:44 Coolest star. You you know like even like I Talk about this movie like Semi-regularly because I feel like nobody else watched it like project power on Netflix. It's like it's a fun movie dude I'm like you watch it. They're like man Jimmy Fox is so fucking cool Do you think that's like that's but that's I I agree with GT the like body of work and like no yes There's not like like some of his, it's not that I don't think he's capable,

Starting point is 01:25:08 but I haven't seen him do a lot of the juicy, meatier acting roles. It's like, there's like, whereas other guys have like two to five, he has like one to three, it feels like. And a lot of that's opportunity and choices probably. Do you have any any strays? No.

Starting point is 01:25:26 No. Yeah. Like he's really fun in Baby Driver, but it's like he gets to be cool and funny. Yeah. And it's like he's like the- He's awesome in Baby Driver. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:35 The movie is really fun. Does he care about the history of acting? Is he committed to acting the way Daniel Day-Lewis is? No. Does he wake up in the morning and say, what's left in me to pursue as a performer in terms of what do I reveal as a character to the- In Valentine, yeah, he did do that in Valentine's Day.

Starting point is 01:25:49 But maybe he doesn't have to be so talented. He can just walk up and be like, I feel like he could do any movie tomorrow. Yeah. Dude, Miami Vice, bro, come on. He's solid. He's freaking a beast in that, dude. He's solid in that.

Starting point is 01:26:00 He also made them change. He also, the third act of Miami Vice changed because one of their crew members died in Haiti. Jamie Foxx refused to go back. And so they rewrote the ending to be in Florida. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:13 I like that. I like that acting power move. Yeah. But Daniel, somebody did not only goes back to Haiti. He lives there the whole time. Exactly. He's like, I'm actually in a

Starting point is 01:26:24 street gang now in Haiti. We're doing a coup in Port-au-Prince. Don't try to stop me. He becomes the president. Yeah, he's like, I'm actually the president of Haiti. Alright Chad, you're up. Okay. You know, I was torn between two guys, but you know, when I look at my list, I got Riz

Starting point is 01:26:41 for days. Sick. Brando, Nicholson. Dude, the pussy getting abilities of your squad. You should keep that as a theme dude. I know these guys. Johnny Sins dude. Yeah dude. I mean these guys. Literally but I got it. These guys are all probably getting dome right now. I guess I shouldn't that's ageist of me about Jack he's allowed to get dumb yeah I mean he's been getting dumb since 1970. Yeah I guess I want to picture it. 55 years of getting

Starting point is 01:27:16 blown. But I got I got okay I got I'm this guy's another actor's actor heavy hitter we all know we all love all love him from like 1969 on. And he's got some neuroticism. Oh. I'm going Dustin Hoffman. Nice. Great pick, man. I mean, starting with The Graduate. I mean, I don't know how much people like this movie,

Starting point is 01:27:39 but I loved him in Sphere. Do you guys remember Sphere? Oh yeah. Sphere was great. You know, Meet the Fockers. Outbreak? Too early to bring up Meet the Fockers. Rain Man. I mean Rain Man. I mean the difficulty in doing that performance, like how to pull that off and pull it off well and to have it age well I think is a huge feat and I think he's a little bit more kind of like the he's got a little bit more of that comedy, you know, you got Tootsie. He's a New York acting school guy, also famously for Midnight Cowboy, great role, improvised

Starting point is 01:28:23 the line, we're walking here. There was supposed to be a close set, a real taxi, great role, improvised the line, we're walking here. There was supposed to be a close set, a real taxi, drove through, being in the moment in a character, that's huge, and they kept it on. Oh man, that's a dark movie. And he famously, the director, I forget who the director was, didn't wanna cast him,

Starting point is 01:28:36 and he's like, hey, let's have a meeting, let's talk this out, and they meet at whatever spot it is, and the director's sitting there looking at his watch five, 10 minutes. He's like, all right, fuck it, I'm gonna leave. Dustin Hoffman gets up, what up, dude? I've been a homeless guy next to you this entire time. You believed I was homeless. I can do this for you.

Starting point is 01:28:53 Wow, what? Really? Yeah. I didn't know that, dude. Unbelievable, and just goes, what up? Dude, that's the most interesting job interview I've ever heard in my life. Dude, you know what's a crazy movie?

Starting point is 01:29:03 He's in Straw Dogs. Oh, the same movie. I'm saying that. Yeah life. Yeah. Do you know what's a crazy movie? He's in Straw Dogs. Oh, wow. Yeah. I walked in with you and Robbie watching that one time. I was like, I'm going to step out of the room. Yeah, we just get into another room. I think it was 2 o'clock on a sunny Saturday. It was beautiful outside.

Starting point is 01:29:18 I'm like, can we go to the beach? Yeah. No. I love him in Wag the Dog. He's so funny in that movie. It's such a fun. It's such a fun It's such a fun flick. You know he's always Dustin Hoffman But he puts the right amount of flair into the characters to to separate them

Starting point is 01:29:33 Yeah, it's not like it's not like the greatest movie, but it's solid and we used to watch a lot I'm saying confidence where he plays like he has like he plays like like a mob boss like he's a cry you gotta be afraid of him. And you totally believe it. Totally. And it's like the least physically imposing person you could ever imagine, but he plays it believably because he's so good. I think I mentioned on the pod before,

Starting point is 01:29:53 but for Marathon Man, he was doing Method, where it was for a torture scene or something, and he hadn't slept for a couple days. And Lawrence Olivier, who's in the movie and like, the other state sort of acting and he says, have you ever, he's like, why do you look so cheesy? Well for this, like I haven't been sleeping. And he's like, have you ever tried acting?

Starting point is 01:30:11 So I'm like. Yeah. Hilarious. He's great, I love him. Dude, his hook bro, he's so good at hook. Dude, his master of Shifu and all the Kung Fu Panda movies. No. Dude.

Starting point is 01:30:23 Dude, Megalopolis. I never saw that one, dude. I didn't either. Yeah, dude. Oh, who is the, oh, I forgot about Sleepers. Man, Sleepers, that's a good movie. I remember when I was a kid, we'd be at Blockbuster, my mom would always, we'd be looking at movies,

Starting point is 01:30:40 my mom would be like, Tootsie? Wanna get Tootsie? She loves Tootsie. It's a great movie. Yeah. All the presidents men, really good. It's a great movie. Yeah. All the President's Men really good. Death of a Salesman. I've never seen it. I've never read it either.

Starting point is 01:30:51 Never seen it on stage. Yeah, it'd be fun to see on stage. Yeah, like some of those classic plays. And The Graduate. I mean, The Graduate's a classic. Yeah, he sits a little turd and they're just like sitting in the pool, just like kinda chillin'. Yeah, and dude, I mean, he's hooking little turd and they're just like sitting in the pool. Just like kind of chilling. Yeah, and dude, I mean he's

Starting point is 01:31:07 You know hooking up with a coog Yeah, maybe maybe he gets dumb too, I don't know yeah He got accused of some sexual harassment stuff, so I think he was getting after it Don't let him don't let the little guy fool you. He's a horn dog. You know those are often the biggest culprits. Yeah, it's true. The neurotic horn dogs? Yeah, Brad Pitt doesn't have to put that amount of effort into it. Yeah, let's do it dude.

Starting point is 01:31:46 I'm going with motherfucking Samuel L. Jackson. I had him high on my list. He was right there. Dude, what a great list. Sam Jackson, baby. You have a great list. I was going to take him if I didn't take Jamie Foxx. I think, man, I think his who's having more fun than Sam Jackson.

Starting point is 01:32:09 I'll tell you who me watching him. Yeah, I'm having the most fun. The best voice. Correct. The best. Shut the fuck up. In Pulp Fiction. He's just so fun, dude.

Starting point is 01:32:23 Also for his acting. I would say if you're an actor and you pick a monologue, and it'd be so hard to recreate this because it's so iconic and good, from Jackie Brown, when he's telling Chris Tucker to get into the trunk, he has to employ every single tactic as an actor. It's like, why would you ever? It's so fucking- Why would you ever get into the trunk? It's so stupid.

Starting point is 01:32:44 He's trying to convince somebody who's like and he tries every motive as an actor and he plays every emotion he truly plays every emotion he has a direct want I think it's the best monologue you could choose to try to recreate it's so good oh you know what's what I like about him is I was watching his master class I think may have said this in that first pod but I was watching his master class. I may have said this in the first pod, but I was watching his master class on acting and he's like, I watch all my movies.

Starting point is 01:33:10 He's like, if you're an actor and you don't wanna watch yourself on screen, how do you expect anyone else to wanna watch you on screen? So I like that he's like, he's entertained by himself. Like he does roles that he wants to do and he has fun doing it. And he's like, I like to watch what I'm doing on screen That's nice. It's like him taking into account what the user experience should be that it's not just his process

Starting point is 01:33:31 but it's also how people like that he's there to like Entertain and like bring something to an audience. So he wants to know how that's coming across You know and like you get and like he's just he's also just so fun and he's such a great actor But and he's just I don't he's such a great actor. And he's just, I don't know if there's anyone who's more entertaining. He's kind of in that Pacino category where it's like he's so him on screen

Starting point is 01:33:53 but it works totally perfectly. But if you were to put him in Indiana Jones, it'd also be pretty hilarious. He'd be like, I'm sick and tired of these motherfucking Nazis on this motherfucking blimp. You'd be like. And I've seen him play so many different kinds of characters, but he is always Sam Jackson.

Starting point is 01:34:08 Yes, but it works. But it's like, I've seen him play like, he can play idiots, he can play intelligent guys, like he can play like the buffoon, but he can also be, you know. Coach Carter, he can lift guys up. Totally, him and Django? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:23 We talked about this in the director's job, but I mean like. But it's because those three performances in that movie are four real, like all the performances in that movie are so good. It's so good. And he's my favorite character. He's great in Die Hard 3, bro.

Starting point is 01:34:35 Yes. That's my favorite Die Hard. He's so good. It's amazing. And like, yeah, it's just like him yelling is kind of the best, you know? I do love to watch him yell on screen. The best. His tim love to watch him yell on screen.

Starting point is 01:34:45 His timbre is just so good. I mean, he can be an actor's actor, kind of play one of those roles, but he can also be in a Marvel movie. Yeah, and he's in the most Marvel movies. Yeah, and you're like, and it doesn't make me think any less of him as an actor. No, because no stinker would ruin his rep.

Starting point is 01:35:04 Yeah, Snakes on a Plane made him bigger. make me think any less of him as an actor. No, cause no stinker would ruin his rep. Yeah. Snakes on a plane made him bigger. It's almost so aware, like he is very aware of the choice. Like he's just, I think he just understands everything so well, like that he does on and off screen. It's just unbelievable. And I think he's so respected as an actor, but is never felt above like being in movies that are pure entertainment.

Starting point is 01:35:26 He's having the most fun. He'll do all of it. And there's no hesitation in it. He's just happy to do it. Dude, he could be scary in that. Yeah. Dude, Star Wars? He's like, I want to play Mace Windu only if I have a purple lightsaber.

Starting point is 01:35:44 That's so cool. He's like the I want you to play Mace Windu, only if I have a purple lightsaber. That's so cool. He's like the shack of acting. But then you think about how, then when you saw it, you know what I mean? Yeah. That was his choice, and then when you saw it, you're like, I didn't know they could do that. Dude, it's so sick.

Starting point is 01:35:56 You know what I mean? It's like, all right. And he's also, he feels one of a kind. Yeah. He is one of a kind, man. He's so good, dude. It's a great pick. Should've taken him over Jimmy Foxx, but it's okay. a kind. Yeah. He is one of a kind, man. He's so good, dude. It's a great pick. Should've taken him over Jimmy Foxx, but it's okay.

Starting point is 01:36:08 Everyone's crushing it. You guys have great lists. Really proud of all you guys. With this next pick, I'm going small body of work, but maybe the highest ceiling ever. We lost him when he was young, so he's frozen in time. And his loss became a cautionary tale about creative immersion.

Starting point is 01:36:40 But the peaks that this guy hit in a two- year run and where he was at in terms of the level of his performance, I think is gonna be remembered beyond a lot of guys. Like I think he's gonna be in that James Dean category where we're like, we're talking about him forever. I'm going with Heath Ledger. I love it. I mean, the Joker. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:01 You have this on your old list too. And this is what Maggie Gyllenhaal in an interview said something incredible about. He said, she goes, who else has given a performance like that in that big of a movie? Like, can you remember a performance like that in a superhero movie where those movies aren't about the acting? And then he comes in and gives one of the most memorable performances. She said it's easier to be good in a small movie, but to be good on that movie. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:37:26 And other actors like Jared Leto tried to do what he did and embarrass them. They fell flat on their face. Oh yeah. You can't do what he did. No. Very few people can do what he did. No.

Starting point is 01:37:38 He's so good, dude. Brokeback Mountain, unbelievable acting, dude. Great, just like a big movie, but like a smaller film. The clench of his jaw in that movie. You feel the tension in that character. And dude, Gyllenhaal was talking about him in that movie. And when Heath was breaking down the character, he goes, the thing about Ennis is,

Starting point is 01:37:59 he's like, the sun hurts him. You feel that in the character. Oh, whoa. Isn't it like that? Yeah, well he's just, he's so, he's so balled up the whole time. He's so tight. Like he looks, he looks so tense the entire time.

Starting point is 01:38:14 Like he's never, because he's never been able to relax and be himself. So he's just, it's just, you just feel that in every frame where he's just so stiff. Yeah, he said, he said, Ennis is sensitive to light and he doesn't like the sound of his own voice. Ah, dude.

Starting point is 01:38:27 Like, dude, to get that into a character and then you feel that shit in every, and yeah, I think, like, Dark Knight is incredible. I think for me, my favorite performance is Brokeback, such a beautiful movie. And yeah, and then he's got Fun Bangers too. He's got a Knight's Tale and the Patriot. And there was something like so sensitive about him

Starting point is 01:38:48 that comes through in everything. Like there was just this like, you're like he's too pure for the world almost in all of his movies. 10 Things I Hate About You, he's so good. Lord of the Dark Town. Oh, he's ripping in that. He's so funny.

Starting point is 01:39:01 Nice songs, man. Yeah. His best line. Oh, I gotta re-watch that movie. You know what? He was in that same Leo category where he's like a heartthrob, hot dude and he kind of broke out that and he's like, no I'm gonna choose movies that require real acting. He had that artist integrity about him.

Starting point is 01:39:22 Good physicality too, like Dark Knight broke back. Even 10 Things I Hate About You, I think about him during the dance number. When he's doing the big waltz up and down the stairs, I'm like, no, this guy's awesome to watch. And I mean, when he dies in The Patriot, spoiler alert, is there anything more tragic? The way he dies to just go.

Starting point is 01:39:45 What's the actor's name? He's having to see It's such a bummer dude, it's such a bummer yeah my mom always Her brother who passed our uncle who passed young, they looked alike. Oh really? So when Heath got God and the Patriot and we saw that as a family, she was devastated. She was even more devastated than like everyone else already was, which was extremely devastated.

Starting point is 01:40:21 It's such a sad one. He was the man. Ayo Scott said this about him. He's one of or might have been Roger Ebert even. He's one of the rare actors who can fully be a character while also commenting on the character. I don't know who else can do that but it was a fire quote. All right, for my next pick.

Starting point is 01:40:39 I'll just say, you know what I like about this draft is we're all so fired up on the picks. I just said, you know what I like about this draft is we're all so fired up on the picks that there's the It doesn't the competitiveness is is brewing But I'm just so fired up on everyone's picks. Yeah Yeah, yeah same happen in directors draft I know and I've and then like the New York Times that hundred hundred movies of the 21st century the top was looking at that last night, just chat up and like finding out which ones like the wife hasn't seen yet. I'm like, oh dude, it's so exciting

Starting point is 01:41:11 that you're gonna get to watch some of these. You know what it is, man? It's because I think sometimes I got lost in the competitors. I forgot. I'm kind of serious. And I forgot, we gotta honor these guys. You know what I mean? When we're drafting, these guys are incredible humans who teach us what it means to be human.

Starting point is 01:41:27 Yeah. And isn't that what they're doing on screen? They're capturing humanity. Yeah. Except for Jamie Foxx. I'm just kidding. We gotta honor these motherfuckers who put in that work. Jamie Foxx is a fire pick.

Starting point is 01:41:37 He sings fire hooks on R&B songs. Dude, I mean him and Miami Vice. He can sing, dance. Ray. Ray. I mean, yeah. I was just I was just here to think we are You know be cool if we could trade picks, uh, yeah. All right. Yeah, what if I give you? Cuz I would love to get Denzel here within the five hole

Starting point is 01:41:58 You'd have to give me I'd need I'd need hot Philip Seymour Hoffman plus You know, I know All, I'd need Philip Seymour Hoffman plus. You know, I need two picks for Denzel. All right, here we go. You know with my last pick, yeah, you know what I actually feel good about this? I got a good list. Great actors. Do I have a good list. Great actors.

Starting point is 01:42:25 Do I have a movie star? You're not even thinking what I'm thinking. I think it's time I round my list out with some serious box office. With some serious box office. And I'm torn between two- Oh you're doing this because you know Brad's judging now. No, no, Aaron's judging. I'm torn between two huge movie stars.

Starting point is 01:42:48 I know what one of them is. One of them's in a movie with one of your picks already. What? Yeah, what? Yeah, what are you talking about? What do you mean that could be anybody? There's so many picks. Right.

Starting point is 01:43:05 Al Pacino has been in a fuck ton of movies. Yeah, but he's the star. Hey, Philip Seymour Hoffman is the guy that I'm thinking of. I know which one you're thinking of. Yeah, exactly. Alright, I'm gonna go with... Shit, I want them both so bad. Do you guys mind if I take a second on this?

Starting point is 01:43:31 No. You know what I might do while you take a second? I actually brought- Holy shit, this is the best I've ever done with chat. I mean dude, your list is fire, bro. You- Nick Cage, you got Cage, dude. Dude, did you want just trade lists, dude? Yours is good, but oh man.

Starting point is 01:43:52 And I love Jamie Foxx, so I hate poo-pooing it so much, but. And I could have gotten him later. I got worried. I just wanted him. And you guys influenced me. I listened to your last draft. All right. You know what?

Starting point is 01:44:04 Yeah, I'm going gonna go with this guy. I think I'm gonna go with Brad Pitt. Whoa. It's a great pick. I mean, he's the man. I think the thing is like he can be bad in some stuff, but some of the things that stand out to me, as an actor, you gotta look good. No one looks better than him.

Starting point is 01:44:20 You gotta- It's a huge part of acting, is how you look. Part of it is you want to be that guy. I don't think anyone makes you want to be that guy more than Brad Pitt. But what I think makes those things work is that he's never treated his career like a pretty boy. He's always tried to make real art,

Starting point is 01:44:37 to take risky pics, to do different kinds of stuff. And I do think he has some limitations as an actor, but you feel from him a real dedication to his craft. And then because of that, his body of work, he just has so many sick fucking movies that are totally different from one another. Like you think about Moneyball, Seven, 12 Monkeys, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Ocean's Eleven,

Starting point is 01:45:03 The Assassination of Jesse James. These are such different kinds of movies, different kinds of performances, and I think if you need a movie star in a movie, but you're like, yo, I wanna try and make some art here, I think he's the guy who's gonna go there with ya. He's a living Greek god. I mean, he is like our,

Starting point is 01:45:24 he's like the epitome of what dudes wanna be. Yeah, he's the benchmark. He's like everything of what a movie star is is kind of like filtered off like what Brad Pitt is and then it like goes down from there. He's like the definition of like the hot movie star. Dude, his hotness is so powerful that there's two movies There's three movies that are just about him being hot which otherwise I probably are total snooze fests

Starting point is 01:45:51 what movies? Meejo Black Seven years in Tibet and a River Runs through it. I think Yeah, or no those wouldn't even be the ones I picked Legends of the Fall. Legends of the Fall. That's it. Legends of the Fall Which are Legends of the Fall. It's just Fall, that's it. Legends of the Fall. Which are Legends of the Fall, it's just his hotness on screen. You're just like, dude. The new one too, F1, which I loved.

Starting point is 01:46:12 Still gotta see it. The first half is basically just, it's kind of like Hustlers with Jennifer Lopez, where they're like, a lot of this is just gonna be, how the fuck is this person still so hot? And you're watching it and you're like, that was awesome about Hustlers. And it's awesome in F1 too.

Starting point is 01:46:25 Yeah, cause you're like, god dude, she looks good still. It's amazing. I think he's also gotten, he hasn't taken his foot off the gas at all. Like I think a lot of his best performances are this century like Moneyball and Once Upon a Time. I don't think he's ever been better than he was. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 01:46:41 In those. And you know what he is? He's so good looking, but he's such a good scene partner. He listens good. He's never trying to overwhelm or overtake. He's never trying to beat the other guy. You think about the performances that people give off of him. Like everyone in F1 looks good.

Starting point is 01:46:59 He tees it up. Everyone he acts with, Ocean's 11, he's the best guy to bounce the ball off of. He is so fun in those movies. To be that hot and to be that generous of an actor. To be that unthreatened. Yeah, yeah. From around you.

Starting point is 01:47:16 Well, it's because he knows he's a hot ass. Like if there's anybody who shouldn't be threatened, it's B-Pen. Yeah, he's like. And that's why he produces like a mofo. Yeah, he's been in a lot of great movies. Dude, him and Snatch, you know what someone said about him? Oh, him and Snatch.

Starting point is 01:47:28 He's a character actor who happens to be a leading man. Yeah. Which I think is a great compliment because he does dive into them really well. I think there was actually a while there where like, I think he's actually gotten better at the leading man stuff over the course of it. Because if I think back to his earlier performances,

Starting point is 01:47:41 it's like- Little self-conscious. It's like, he was better when he was being more character yeah almost like Colin Farrell sometimes like that Character he's almost like because like you think even in like true romance he's got like such a small part Brad Pitt But he's so funny. He's just a dude He's like smoking out of a little honey jar the whole time smoking weed and like 12 monkeys he's so off the wall

Starting point is 01:48:04 Yes, and those were some of his best performances, but then I think he kind of like You know started and then versus like Legends of the Fall. I don't like Love that. I think he's better in other movies. Do you know what I mean? Oh for sure And he kind of got better with time at being like a leading. Could you say he curious case of Benjamin Button to his acting Could you say he curious case of Benjamin Button to his acting? Perhaps. That movie, the best parts of those movies are just like him riding hot motorcycle, then sailboat like saying, man, this movie's cooking with gas. Like this guy's the man.

Starting point is 01:48:38 He's in the interview where he's young and the lady asked him like, so you're good looking, right? And then he goes, you know, I do know I'm good looking. And he goes, I asked my mom about it when I was young because I could see the difference in the Way people treated me and he goes so I carry it with me But I try not to let it be the guiding thing because honestly, it's not it's not worth that much like come on Yeah, I mean also take a little fork it over big guy Over does perhaps the most annoying thing any human can do, eat.

Starting point is 01:49:08 And he does it great on screen. The guy's eating a burger, the guy could eat a fucking bowl of, he could be eating lasagna standing up and you'd be like, this works. He's good physically. Mr. and Mrs. Smith when he's mad at Angelina Jolene, he's walking through the garden. Well think about how physical he is in Fight Club. I mean like, not even like the fighting part, But I mean like his like mannerisms in that movie like he's very stiff at times But he's also like extremely emotive and like kind of flopping all over the place I don't you believe that he's the coolest performance of all time in fight club. Yeah, that was one more last time I heard and dude come on. I might have leveled him up to a whole new thing where it's like okay

Starting point is 01:49:39 I guess I guess they played that I can and it got booed and he turned to Ed Norton and said well I don't know what to do because that's gonna be the that'll be the best movie that I'm ever like I'm not gonna be in a better movie than that is what he said when it got a negative reaction And he must be easy work his Fincher notoriously like Jalen Hall didn't like working with Fincher all the takes and lack of feedback Pits done like four movies with them. So he's a dog too. All right, Chris, you're all the grits. I don't know who to take with my list. It's way better this time.

Starting point is 01:50:11 His laugh and burn after reading. I mean, Brad Pitt, oh my God. You had Brad Pitt last time. Did I? Yeah, you were like, I remember, I remembered Harrison Ford and Leo. You went super movie star. You went super movie star. You went super actor this time.

Starting point is 01:50:26 All of our lists were like way more movie star. OK, I know who you're thinking. Brando wasn't even talked about. From what I remember. I think Brad Pitt is not a better actor, but a more interesting actor. I think you're right. Than who?

Starting point is 01:50:38 Well, because we're more- Than the other big movie star from our lifetime. Another thing about B Pitt I like is that he'll, he's down to appear in things like Jackass. Like he's having fun. Cool dude. He doesn't take himself too seriously. No, not at all.

Starting point is 01:50:53 You gotta like that. You gotta see F1, it's awesome. And dude, kinda autobiographical. There's a scene where the character's getting grilled for some stuff that Brad Pitt's been through and you're like, it's real life coming through. Brave, maybe not actually brave. But to me.

Starting point is 01:51:12 Controlled, read the script and made every change. But me watching it, I was like, that's, it gives some needed stakes to it. You know, I'm gonna go with another one off my list and I'm gonna go with Christian Bale. Great last pick. Oh man, that's gonna be my pick. Another chameleon. Yes. Yep. Just can change physically can also be Batman. Mm-hmm. Yeah

Starting point is 01:51:36 Yeah, so the range is definitely there I'm trying to think what my favorite is the fighter The fighter in American Hustle David O Russell really got some great stuff. Yeah, cuz American Hustle He slipped a disc from doing that hunch that he has in that and he has a freaking pot belly in it Yes, dude, this is such a good picture. He's in newsies and he does music. He's he's one of the voices in Pocahontas Yes, multiple musicals and rescue dawn. He's so good him voices in Pocahontas. He's done multiple musicals. And Rescue Don, he's so good.

Starting point is 01:52:05 Him and Steve's on together, unbelievable. And I think you're one of the few guys who can really be a character guy, but then also be a leading man in a big blockbuster. Although I do think when he's a leading man, it's not him at his most fire. I think American Hustle, he's the main character, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:52:23 And that's probably the best use of Christian Bale Cuz he's like did the movie opens with him just doing his comb over you know and how intricate it is and how much time He has to take on it You know and it's just him just doing it and like that's that's kind of what you want like look He was a good he was a good Batman, but like I don't think Bruce Wayne is like really as important in those movies Yeah, I mean But he's just so good. It would have been more fun if they made Bruce Bane like more of the playboy rather than against it and that but that's not his choice.

Starting point is 01:52:51 He executed the script well. Dude, Empire of the Sun bro, as a kid. Great movie. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Kind of like off the sky. Like dude, he's just unreal. He's just amazing.

Starting point is 01:53:03 He can, Ford vs. Ferrari was such a fun movie. He's great at dude out of the furnace It's not the best movie, but man he acts as fucking He does an American accent pretty incredible where yeah, I don't forget. He's doing an American actor the whole time It's not like Hemsworth or some of these guys were like where are you from like you're just like oh? Yeah, this guy's just American and I think he could probably like, like I've never heard him do like a French accent or like German or like, you know, I don't know, somewhere from like the global. I'm sure he could crush it.

Starting point is 01:53:32 Oh, he can do it all. I'm sure, like, I just, I don't know anything. Oh, and then, I mean, American Psycho? Oh, incredible. That's what I'm saying, American Psycho's unreal. What a performance. That blew my mind at the time. Any advice, you know what's cool about American Psycho too? And like, what I'm saying. American Psycho's unreal. What a performance. Yeah. That blew my mind at the time. Any advice?

Starting point is 01:53:46 You know what's cool about American Psycho too? And like what you were saying, he's a guy who is good looking enough where he could have just been a movie star and just done basic, but he really wants to like act. Yeah. He seems like a master of the craft. Yes. And, but you know, and yeah, the fighter like a master of the craft yes, and but you know and Yeah, the fighter is so good man fire so good. Yeah, I think that ended the heart of that character I

Starting point is 01:54:13 Mean I thought he's good advice to what he's very good advice. Yeah, the movie didn't totally work for me, but his performance Yeah, it was like that's it. I don't yeah I'm trying to think if there's like a bad that might be his best performance if there's a bad Christian Bale performance He's one of the later. I think when he plays a straight guy sometimes right, but that movie's like Yeah, I'm not surprised he lost his shit on that movie cuz I think he was just like there's nothing here I'm just gonna be really really intense Dude, what's the movie where it's like?

Starting point is 01:54:40 He's a cop him and the guy hits like get it his get a job harsh times Yeah, where he plays a white guy who grew has to get a job. Harsh times. Yeah. Where he plays a white guy who grew up in South Central and has a Mexican accent. Yeah, yeah. Dude, it's like an insane script. You're like, goes to Mexico, has a wife down there. Hey, this is your culture, bro.

Starting point is 01:54:55 Don't be disrespectful, man. Hey, don't worry about that, I got this. That movie, yeah, David Ayer, wild movie. Dude, Equilibrium, terrible movie, love it. The action scenes, remember the point of view stuff? Shans McClane was always funny making fun of that. What does he have coming up? Do you guys know?

Starting point is 01:55:12 I don't know, because I love watching the dude. I heard he was great in Thor, I didn't see it, but I heard he was really awesome in the back. He was really bad, I really didn't like it. Oh, he's in a TV show that Maggie Gyllenhaal's directing. Wow. All the money's in a TV show that Maggie Gyllenhaal is directing. Wow. All the money is in TV these days, dude.

Starting point is 01:55:28 It is interesting. I was wondering if we were... I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it. Yeah, there's one guy. There's one guy. It could happen right here. I thought about doing it.

Starting point is 01:55:37 It could happen right here. I mean, how are you not gonna take this guy right now, dude? This is your guy, dude. No. Oh, he's talking about someone else. You're talking about a movie star. Yeah, I'm talking about a movie star. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it is gonna happen. Oh, we were talking about TV.. You're talking about a movie star. Yeah, I'm talking about a movie star. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:46 I think it is gonna be. Oh, we were talking about TV. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I mean damn. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, but now you got him thinking. Yeah, you know, I'm thinking I'm like, I'm like, you know, he is kind of the savior of the movie industry but there's also another guy that's kind of more of an actor's actor

Starting point is 01:56:01 that has that. He's in that same Christian Bale category where he's a pretty boy but he makes bold creative choices but he also rakes in huge box office. Clark Gable. Yeah. Oh, damn. I know who you're thinking about. It's tough and I took forever.

Starting point is 01:56:19 Clark Gable. No, I mean it's- He's good at it, dude. And you know what? I will say this about my list, too. Do you have any idea? I took forever. No, I mean it's, you know what, I will say this about my list, a lot of really good actors and a shitload of box office heft on my list. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:31 You're great. I couldn't worry about that. JT's got a great list. Yeah, why worry if people see the movies. To me, it's just about the art, brother. I mean. I mean, these kids in the chat were like Al Pacino. They've never seen dude right now Back you should take and you never seen Serpico. Do I know I'm gonna take Terry no Terry do the dude who plays Maurice

Starting point is 01:56:55 orangutan Cumberbatch when he's just the dragon did Cumberbatch was there was a tire there There was a time where they thought he was gonna be Lawrence Olivier or something. No guy turns his head to catch attention of something off screen like Cumberbatch. Every time he just, oh. But that, something's happening over there.

Starting point is 01:57:17 He almost like, I feel like he worked too much and just wasn't discerning enough with his Oscar-y movies. That's what I think is crazy about, that's what I think is most impressive about DiCaprio is the way he's managed his career. You think about Mark Ruffalo, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Cumberbatch, all these guys had heat like that for a little bit

Starting point is 01:57:32 and they couldn't sustain it. They did a few bad movies, they made a few bad choices and it kind of just, they all get washed together. Oh, Ruffalo's so good. I love Ruffalo. But DiCaprio managed to like, every step of the way, he was just like, no, no, no, no, I gotta be up on this perch. He had the nice part of like, to like every step of the way he was just like no no no no I gotta be up on this perch

Starting point is 01:57:45 Yeah well he had the nice part of like I feel like he he had the privilege of being able to say no a lot and still be a box office draw It's a choice though Like I don't know if Cumberbatch was gonna be able to go away for five years and come back it'd be a big deal You gotta take that swing though Yeah that's true who knows Day Lewis he's willing to walk away That's true Okay I gotta go with this guy I mean you guys know who's coming.

Starting point is 01:58:07 I look up to him so much. This guy, you know, he's he's trying to save movies. This guy is movies. This guy does huge blockbusters. He does his own stunts. And you could say that that's a category in itself where this guy is willing to put his body on the line you know in terms of People do it for transformations for the character, but this guy will do what the action Required like he will do the action. He's not faking it and also

Starting point is 01:58:44 He has a ton of movies where he shows real acting chops. Magnolia, Born on the Fourth of July, Rain Man, Tom Cruise, The Last Samurai, Collateral, oh dude, I mean, he is. He's got all the movies. I can't believe you were almost not gonna take this guy. Yeah, I think I was right. If you would have not taken this guy, I would have had to kill you, dude. I think, and right. You would not take it

Starting point is 01:59:08 And you nailed it the 80s Real acting you know what I mean and his level of focus Yeah, and that arrogance that he brought to movies cuz all those movies He's so arrogant and it's fun to watch and then it's awesome to see that character learn a lesson Yeah, it was a really powerful weapon and now today. It's just all about Pushing the envelope and the believability. Like he's like, I'm gonna do the most unreal things, but you're never gonna doubt it because I'm actually doing it.

Starting point is 01:59:30 Dude, and how funny is he in Tropic Thunder? Oh, dude, yeah, he could be in comedy. That guy can do comedy, dude. He's so good as that guy with the forearms and shit. It's so funny. And then I wrote that this is my one thing that I think he has, I don't think it's a limitation as an actor. I think it's interesting.

Starting point is 01:59:46 His focus, he has such an insane focus, right? That sometimes it looks like he's finding the emotion as like an objective more than feeling the emotion as a character. Right, right. It's like, like you're seeing him and he's like, you can see in his brain, he's like, I am going to find a way to cry right now.

Starting point is 02:00:04 It's not that my character's hurt and oh my God, I can't believe this. It's like, he's like, I am going to find a way to cry right now. It's not that my character's hurt, and oh my God, I can't believe, it's like he's like, this is my job. But I think there's something actually, it's not the way they would teach an actor to do it, but I think it's just as interesting. Because what a special human that can do that. Yeah, he has like a quality that where,

Starting point is 02:00:20 people can't really place a finger on it. They're like, this guy is just a force of nature. Yeah, like, you know, some people You know, they're like really good actor They can embody the role but they're like Tom Cruise is in like a category of his own where he's he's kind of that top Movie star he's got the hotness But he's just like it's his will. I think it's his will. Yeah to get the job done. Yeah, you're like dude He's just so determined. Yeah, he's like America. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:49 Yeah. And he can't even play someone from not America. Yeah. You know, he tried to be Irish one time. It didn't sound very far and away. Yeah. In Valyrian? What is it, Valyrian?

Starting point is 02:01:00 Valkyrie? Oh, Valkyrie, they just, they did a very classic thing where like, they're all playing Germans but you either sound British or you just talk like an American. Yeah, yeah, that's so creepy. And dude, he uh, I mean he's kind of Spielberg's guy a little bit. He was at least. He's done, he's worked with, yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:21 Especially in like 80s and 90s he was always pursuing the best directors. Man, Jerry Maguire. Jerry Maguire. So good. I mean, his body of work is maybe the best on the list. He has so many good movies. The Outsiders, isn't that a classic? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:37 Yeah, I mean, he has a smaller part in it than before he got his teeth fixed, but he's awesome in it. Dude, Cocktail. And an ensemble cast there with all, all. Cocktail is. Cocktail is so fun. Risky Dude, cocktail. And an ensemble cast there with all the studs. Cocktail is fun. Cocktail is so fun, risky business, dude. Days of Thunder, The Firm, Minority Report, Vanilla Skies, Weird as Hell.

Starting point is 02:01:52 Never seen it. He's got great flow. Dude, American Maid. That's just a fun move. Oh, American Maid. American Maid is so fun. American Maid is so good. It's so fun.

Starting point is 02:02:00 One of the best smiles on camera, like when he smiles and they give him that close up. Yeah. It's pretty great. You know what's smiles on camera, like when he smiles and they give him that close up. It's pretty great. You know what's cool? He eats popcorn better than anyone. He throws it in. His next movie's with the Inarratu,

Starting point is 02:02:13 the Birdman, the Revenant guys. And I think that'll be a good, cause that guy does big shit. I hope he's interesting. He's artsy too, so I think that'll be a really cool. It's time. I think like we're done with the Mission Impossible. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:24 It's time to like- I need him to take a break from no more mission impossible No, the last the last two clocked in it nearly the last two movies were both almost three hours Yeah, is it good? No, what do you think is his best acting? Maybe born on the fourth of July. That's the most emotional for sure, right? Yeah Maybe born on the 4th of July. That's the most emotional for sure, right? Yeah. Do you think it's the Kubrick one where he had to draw it out of... Eyes wide shut? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:02:51 He's good in collateral, dude. He's pretty subtle and amazing in collateral. But he doesn't have that many moves, I guess. You know what? Maybe it's kind of like a vanilla pick, but like... But it kind of mixes in some of the physicality, but it's also just like a very classic classic like movie, but like down the middle in a way, but like dude, The Last Samurai is so sick. I love that movie. I love that movie. It's so good. And like the like unspoken romance is like so, I don't know, but maybe Jerry Maguire.

Starting point is 02:03:17 I think it's Jerry Maguire. Or what about A Few Good Men? He's a really good man. Super good. He is great. You know, it's probably, it's Jerry Maguire for me. And that movie is arrogance really well in that. He has all the monologues. He is great. You know, it's probably, it's a German fire for me. And that plays into his arrogance really well. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:26 Yeah. And he's going toe to toe with a capital A actor in Jack. Their scenes together are just, they're so good. Unbelievable. Cause you get the one in Gepmo, you know? Yes, you're pretty uniform. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:38 I want you to sit there in your girly white uniform. Yeah, exactly. And ask me nicely. Yeah. Seriously, he's so good. You know, in the moment in If You Good Men where he plays the choice, it's all nonverbal, right?

Starting point is 02:03:50 Where he's like, I'm actually gonna say that I got the flight logs and set the trap. It comes across his face really well. But yeah, I'd probably go Cherry McQuire. He's so good at that. And it's like, it's his most human performance. And like you see him like, you see him down and out and then you see him get built back up.

Starting point is 02:04:10 But it's just, it's so iconic, you know? I'm looking for my wife. He needs to try, cause you feel the focus. He's like, all right, I'm playing a real guy who feels things in this. But I liked that part of him. I'd like to see him do it again. Yeah, that's a great pic Chad.

Starting point is 02:04:26 Dude, that's the pic bro. I would have taken it if you didn't take it. And that's who I was deciding between. I couldn't decide between, okay, there was a third guy that I thought you were deciding between. And this guy. James Gandolfini? That's who I was thinking about.

Starting point is 02:04:40 No, that's what I was talking about on TV. Oh, that's funny. Gandolfini's amazing, yeah. Really? Cause you've seen The Sopranos. Yeah bro,'s what we were talking about. Oh, that's funny. Gandalfini's amazing. Yeah. Really? Because you've seen The Sopranos. Yeah, bro. Have I seen his movie The Last Castle, dude?

Starting point is 02:04:50 That movie's good. Do you have a film? It's a super movie, bro. When Robert Redford says he wants the worst for you, I want the best for you, which way are you going to go? Yeah, he plays a good villain in that. He's sick, dude. You look, your dad was a bad guy.

Starting point is 02:05:01 I didn't see him that way. Get over it. Did you get him in The Mexican? Yeah, dude. Very against type. I'm going with another just actor, movie star. This guy, if he's in a movie, you're gonna go see it. And he's done every type of film.

Starting point is 02:05:19 I'm going, Matt Damon. Oh, nice. This guy. That's a strong, we all We all went like our last round. Yeah we rounded it out. Honestly our last round could have been a first round. I'm serious. For movie stars for sure. Yeah if you pull up Damon's filmography I mean in Good Will Hunting, the writing and acting in it I mean he's probably got some of the best scenes he's in. I'm not gonna not have a guy that's in saving private Ryan on my list. Yeah, he is fucking private Ryan, dude And he does a great job. I

Starting point is 02:05:51 Don't think the Martians a comedy He kind of annoys me. I don't know why I'm even talking about I think I'm looking at the picture I think it's like I think I put like good will hunting in the Martian is kind of like my Like two quintessential Matt Damon rules I mean I got the Martian is just you have like, like two quintessential Matt Damon roles. I mean, the Martian is just, you have like, Matt Damon be likable and carry a movie. And that's what's so nice about it. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:06:12 Is it like, he's smart, he's quippy, and it just feels like Matt Damon just cook. And then all the, everything else about it is just like technical jargon and then just be likable. And that's why I like it's likeable You needed a movie star who could just be a regular guy You already have the depth with everybody else Yes, and then the Bourne movies rip. He's amazing in action

Starting point is 02:06:36 Elysium is sick dude rounders think about was it no Yeah, yeah, I never saw's in the book. You're like, well, at least he's in the book. I'm like, well, at least he's in the book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't it? Well, yeah, I never saw it. But I mean, dude, you've got Rainmaker, great courtroom drama. You know, you got to have Rainmaker. He's great in school times. He's the bad guy. He's such a good little shit.

Starting point is 02:06:53 He's great as the bad guy. He's a great, amazing, dude, he plays great villains. When he shows up in the fucking Interstellar, are you not pissed off at him? But you see him and you think he's a saving grace? The departed you hate him too. I'm a little bummed out think he's a saving grace? The department hates him too. I'm a little bummed out. I'm looking at this and I'm bummed out. What these movies? Because when he started off good will hunting, talented Mr. Ripley, a lot of depth, rounders even, a lot of weird, gray, you know, ambiguity.

Starting point is 02:07:20 And now is he, as he's gotten older and he's gotten more middle has he lost what's the most recent movie that edge where's the still water he tried a little bit on a see is oh I don't know I feel like I kind of see where you're going yeah GT and I and I and I don't I don't disagree I had some of it's like I you know like what did like, what was he offered that he could have been in? It's hard to know, but if you look at a lot of his more interesting movies, do feel like they were on the front end

Starting point is 02:07:55 of his career. And it's not like he's doing the Tom Cruise stuff that's still really sticks out. It's all kind of just a little more boilerplate. But you know what? Air? He's awesome in Air like that is a fun one It's just well most last time that like one of his flicks like really broke through

Starting point is 02:08:09 I think the informant was the last time he gave a performance where I was like this is like and the informants a great To sick movie performance by he's so good in that many so dark and weird. Yeah Yeah, he actually does play a really good cuz I tell it to mr. Ripley like he's like he's unbelievable I did and he's really good. He's so mr. Ripley like he's like he's unbelievable All-time villain that's acting acting Act in acting Oh Philip Seymour Hoffman in that is You don't think he could do it he has a playboy dude, it's he's a great movie star Oh also his physicality when he's attached to Greg Kinnear and Acting when they're

Starting point is 02:08:43 And so funny that acting when they're Good, it's a great movie. What's that fucking movie called? That movie is so funny and good. I'm like that acting is incredible and to do that with a shout out great canary man Yeah dogma Fun Other Damon a fleck vehicles are we forgetting? I mean, of course it's good while hunting. The last duel was pretty solid. That was a good one. But Damon's pretty bad in that movie. I think he really struggled with the accent. I think he's the weakest

Starting point is 02:09:12 part of that one. Scotty doesn't know. He doesn't feel like that guy to me. He's great in that. He's amazing. Ford vs Ferrari, he was good. You know, I didn't love him in Interstellar, but I get why they cast him. I didn't love him in that He's the last guy you'd expect to flip like totally yeah, yeah, he's I thought he pissed me off. He's good in true grit True oh yeah He's amazing and he's you know it's like when his introduction. It's like Haley said feels like who are you? Texas Ranger His acting when he thinks he bit his, after he bit his tongue.

Starting point is 02:09:46 And he's doing the lisp. He's so good. Yeah, he's great in that. Ah, good pick. All right guys, should we get into some honorable mentions before we call in? I mean, true great Jeff Bridges. Jeff Bridges.

Starting point is 02:09:57 Oh, Jeff Bridges. Talk about his naturalism. Fuck, maybe I should have gone with Jeff Bridges. Yeah, they say he's never uttered a false line. Yeah. Jeff Bridges and also dude man, when he, like in his prime, fucking hot dude. Oh, one of the hottest. Yeah. Yeah, against all he's never uttered a false line. Yeah bridges and also dude man when he like in his prime fucking hot dude Oh the one of the hottest yeah, yeah against all odds unbelievable all right. We got a

Starting point is 02:10:11 Harrison Ford didn't get picked yeah, I get why he was early last time which I Last time we went more movie star Gene Hackman Gene Hackman is incredible huge almost picked him Paul Newman. I almost picked him Johnny Depp Sean Penn Chalamet, dude, you know who's kind of a guy? Robert Pattinson the younger guys like My last pick was Chalamet it was before the two dude movies and and a complete unknown. Yeah, he's great Man my list last time was like man. I just Yes

Starting point is 02:10:46 Man my list last time was so good. I still like all these Great because I think I made next to Caprio. Yeah, I hope so that'd be awesome He's a bee and like Robert Pattinson's amazing cuz since our last draft like I loved the Batman I thought it was so good and it's like different than what he had done the third actual I mean It's a long movie, but it's still so and also the last five minutes of like is so good dude him helping the way Kevin spacey dude yeah that guy was that guy has been so many great movies Yeah, I mean he harris him Mel Gibson can do action and can do funny. I love Woody.

Starting point is 02:11:26 And he's done so many different ones. Morgan Freeman. Anthony Hopkins. Oh, Anthony Hopkins, yes. Tony Hopkins. Morgan Freeman. Great. What about Liam Neeson?

Starting point is 02:11:34 Great, it's just he's done so many just straight action movies. Although we'll see how, dude, naked gun. I don't know what to think. That's what I'm saying, like, he's gonna work. I hope he works in naked gun. I hope it's funny. I hope it works. I really hope it works I really hope you know he's doing the

Starting point is 02:11:45 Pacino De Niro we do a bunch of whatever now but I don't know if he's got the he's got a couple classics like what are his best Nissan yeah like Schindler's List is that a Schindler's List? Rob Roy? I just don't think that's there with like De Niro's I mean the first take is so awesome. The first Taken movie. He's awesome. Clint Eastwood, good movie star. John Wayne, great movie star. Gene Hackman more. Gene Hackman was so different than everyone. Yeah, I mean Gene Hackman is, when you watch him on screen, it's so much fun. Like him and Crimson Tide, you're just like. Ah man, him and Denzel just battling.

Starting point is 02:12:29 Believability is insane with Gene Hackman. He has this quality, like, I don't know, I don't really know how he looked when he was younger, but like. He always looked old, he always looked young. Yeah, he always, like, he never looked, I don't know what Gene Hackman in his 30s looked like. Yeah, but.

Starting point is 02:12:42 Like, he never looked like a 30 year old, I mean. He has this magnetism where you're like, why do I love this guy so much? It's the unalloyed masculinity. Yeah, that's a good call. Because a lot of guys, especially growing up, you'd see a dad, you're like, he's not handsome, but there's something just manly about him.

Starting point is 02:12:55 Like, don't fix shit, don't break something. And Hackman had that, and it's kind of lost. We don't have a lot of actors who have it today. No, Murray, not that thing, but just a good actor. Great actor actor Riz What about Ray Fiennes? Almost took Ray Fiennes. I'm like to him and do being able to go, you know, if he's great as Voldemort Think you get it you want to you want to sub it out. I was just watching to sub it out

Starting point is 02:13:21 I didn't love his odysseus movie, but I did just watch that and he's just he's just a great Boreal anus dude, are you kidding me? Just see how fucking shredded he got for his one. I wanted to do Where he plays odysseus like I didn't love the movie body is yeah, it's crazy that he's just that he's that red get jacked Dude, Joe Pesci. Okay. I was I was reading a review Oh, yeah, oh, she's so good of raging bull. I think Joe pesci kind of invented that Back and forth dialogue in Scorsese movies because his movies are heavily improvised And I think Pesci had the ear for it and so like what the hell you talking about

Starting point is 02:14:00 I'm talking about that thing you're supposed to take care of look I don't take care of things you take it that kind of dial. I think that was Pesci who kind of, that's when it started in the score system. So just for that, I put him all the time. Yeah, and you look at like, you look at, to my cousin Vinny, unreabled, he's so good at that. And then he plays a heavy in Casino.

Starting point is 02:14:18 Yeah. And it's crazy, and Goodfellow. It's like the fact that he's able to play like a guy that you're terrified of when he's like built like Joe Pesci is a base. Yeah Yeah, these were all good lists. All right, should we call Aaron? Aaron what up? Yeah, let's do it. I'm trying to think if there's see if there's anyone else city portia actor

Starting point is 02:14:41 actor. You just kind of stay away from comedy for the most part, right? Yeah. We do have comedic actors, drafts. Because there's so many guys that are funny that aren't comedic actors, you know? Like a Robin Williams could have been on here. He's good. But Eddie Murphy, yeah, but he's also done a lot of duds. But like, I don't know if he can do, I don't know if he is Axel Foley.

Starting point is 02:15:02 He's like a leading man in that, but. Because it's like if I feel like you got to get an Oscar or like be like have been nominated or in that conversation And like be able to like lead like a non comedic movie. Yes, that's skill Yes, it's leading a comedic like even like Steve like I thought about Steve Carell or like he like from Manwar And he's a good actor and he does good stuff. But I'm like, mmm Like from Manwar and he's a good actor and he does good stuff, but I'm like, hmm. I love Jack Black. Love Jack Black. We're talking about best actors of all time, Jake.

Starting point is 02:15:32 Have you seen Nacho Vibre? Like you can't put Jack Black in Dog Day Afternoon. Yeah, Jake, where was Kevin Hart? Yeah, you do. Oh, Edward Norton, we didn't talk about him. I almost picked him. Love him, he's one of my favorites. He just doesn't work that much.

Starting point is 02:15:57 Dude, that's the mother, if you just took his 95 to like 03, it's as good as anybody's like kind of mini stretch. And then His personality got him booted because he always rewrites the script. He's like hard to work with. It's such a bummer because if he would have kept getting those parts, I think he's a number one pick. Who?

Starting point is 02:16:16 Edward Norton. Oh yeah, those guys too. And he plays two roles like in Primal Fear and all these movies. He's always like two guys. Bruce Banner. Yeah, the movie he directed. The uh. Oh, the Brooklyn one or whatever? Yeah, the Kerry Russell one. No, not that one.

Starting point is 02:16:29 The Leaves of Grass. Oh yeah, Leaves of Grass. No, Tim Blake Nelson directed that. That's right, sorry. But he's great in that and yeah, he's playing twins. Oh shit, I gotta... Yeah, he's almost too smart for his own good, but man that guy can Do anything act your butt off he can? And he can play a real cunt or he can play a really good guy. Yeah

Starting point is 02:16:53 rounders Rounders is worm. Did he say yeah, they're just so good dude. Oh malkevich, bro Now give it just so good this is gonna be tough for Aaron because we got some banger lists here. This is you. Aaron we got some lists for you, dude. We did not blow it. Oh, I might argue. Whoa.

Starting point is 02:17:21 Are you looking at him? Yeah, I'm looking at who are we missing? You can ask with an honorable mention first if you want it Aaron. Whoa, hang up Well honorable mention, I mean nobody put Harrison Ford on their list Yeah, I listen you love it. We had a lot of good stuff about Harrison Ford, the believability, the understatedness, the way he's so solid, you can just build a universe around him.

Starting point is 02:17:50 But we really went actor on this. Also, Aaron, it was tough, because we were using Harrison Ford as sort of this model of using his roles to plug our actors into. So, Khayram would have been weird to pick him. But he was respected during this drive. He was highly respected. And here's our other thing a

Starting point is 02:18:06 litmus test I was using is can this guy do Shakespeare and I can't see Harrison Ford ripping Caesar. Okay. Andy Serkis. So am I to believe am I to get this correct that Al Pacino went number one overall? That yeah. Okay. Not the wildest choice. But a wild choice. I feel like I just called and got called into the principal's office. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:18:40 Do you need me to recap? Yeah. Okay. We've got Al Pacino, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Joaquin Phoenix, Heath Ledger, Brad Pitt, then we got Denzel Washington, Tom Hanks, Nicholas Cage, Samuel L. Jackson, Christian Bale, then we've got Marlon Brando, Jack Nicholson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Cruise. And finally, Daniel Day-Lewis, Robert De Niro, Gary Oldman, Jamie Foxx, Matt Damon. So Jamie Foxx is on this list. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:19:26 We all love Jamie Foxx, the way. Yeah, that was covered. Okay, so you've covered the discrepancy. Yeah, we did notice. We gave it the appropriate amount of time. But obviously feel free, you know, cook. I mean, he's an Oscar winner I don't know what that says about him yeah yeah yeah like the girl from Paper Moon Tatum O'Neil yeah Yeah, I almost grabbed Matt Dylan

Starting point is 02:20:06 Shakespeare loves good. I would actually argue she has a great movie right there with saving private ride movie Rob. It's a great movie It's so delightful Tom stoppards to play right phenomenal script the anachronisms We never mentioned Colin Firth, I like that guy. Yeah. All right. Okay. Well, these are good lists. Each one is a good list. I'm gonna have to...

Starting point is 02:20:37 Bury him. I gotta do it, man. If you got Jamie Foxx in your top five, you gotta go. Aaron, at least give me a Soldier's Death. Oh, Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe. Daniel Day-Lewis, great pick. De Niro.

Starting point is 02:20:54 Nah, man, I hear you. Outstanding, almost always. He's a little bit shakier nowadays, but everyone is in their 80s. Oldman. I love Gary Oldman. And Matt Damon, love him. He's a steal at five. But Jamie Foxx is so less stealable. He's an incredible talent. Look, I respect it.

Starting point is 02:21:19 I think you're thinking about how the whole group was thinking. I probably shouldn't say anything. I shouldn't say whose list that is, but. I think we're aware. We started, it's our fault. We started trying, we tipped it. Jamie Foxx is an incredibly talented person.

Starting point is 02:21:31 I don't know that acting is the best thing he is, the thing he is best at, but he's incredibly talented in a lot of fields. Hire me someday. No, I'm just kidding. So with my, that's number four. Here's where things get a little tougher. I think, I think Nicholas Cage could have gotten picked later and you know I love a Nicolas Cage vehicle

Starting point is 02:22:08 But I think if you swapped bail and cage I think that list looks better to me So I'm gonna have to make that my third pick or back to Aaron the order Lord Don't think Nicolas Cage is the top in in the top 15, you know, whatever. Right. If he had continued his run of the 90s, maybe, but obviously he's had some real. Yeah. I mean, it's punishing an early pick versus awarding a late pick more, you know? You think those things would balance out. Yeah, because I think you wanna get the biggest name

Starting point is 02:22:49 that's on the board. Like, it's only a steal because people didn't put Christian Bale where he belongs, you know? Yeah. So, that's how I feel about those. So then between these next two lists, we got the Pacino list and we got the Brando list. I think it's gonna be him, yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:08 I mean, they are close. I do think, Pits of Steel at five, Ledger's great. You know, obviously just wish his career was longer, but that's, you know, no fault of his own even. Hoffman I mean got soaps Timor well King Phoenix is a little bit tiring of a human zoom out a bit though he's good he's good I mean you can't argue he's good, he's good. I mean, you can't argue he's good, but. I just think your icons, your leading men,

Starting point is 02:23:56 the guys that had a lot of fun, got wild with it, and then the guy who's still fucking doing all of his own stunts, I think my number one is gonna be Brando Nicholson, the Capulet. You had, it was Chad, Chad had a great list. I think my number one is gonna be Brando Nicholson You had it is Chad Chad had a great list. Yeah, that's a repeat Brand new list going the other way. He's got Aaron's Paul's. Yeah, I know Aaron I could feel you in my dad. You repeated Tom Cruise, but other than that like all your picks are new Yeah, I'm a changed man, you know, I've transformative that's been big and I've

Starting point is 02:24:28 watched Magnolia since we last spoke. It does change. But I got through it. All right. Yeah. So I had I'm in second place then my brothers and third Aaron and then Strider got last. Yeah. Thanks Aaron, you're a beast man.

Starting point is 02:24:48 Good shit dog. Who did you think we were missing? Did you already say? Harrison Ford. Right. Harrison Ford because he was the number one. I think Chad had a number is number one last year. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:24:59 It's odd to not see him there. Chris didn't you start off your life last time with Denzel Tom Hanks? I did. And then I went Christian Bale on the third, which you appreciated. You didn't do this time. Yeah, but I did. I would have taken him. And I would have taken Samuel. I looked back and I was trying to find the old draft just to see if I still had it in my notes on my phone. I don't don't unfortunately just to compare but yeah and Jake says we missed some heavy hitters like Kevin James Rob Schneider the Schneidskis really get them all I will not forget Nick Swanson. Yo. I'm sick of him, dude.

Starting point is 02:25:47 All right, Aaron. Thank you, brother. We love you. Great stuff. I'll see you guys. Thanks, Aaron. Later. Dude, OK.

Starting point is 02:25:53 I'm pissed. Not that I lost. I think you had the best list, for sure. The disrespect towards Pacino, I don't think people know. Yeah, he's the best. They don't know. Can we just watch one clip from a movie real quick? I know this is the worst thing you can do to humans

Starting point is 02:26:07 Can you type in the panic and needle park on YouTube? It's also like I it's funny because it feels like De Niro gets like people just like have him Definitely like like if you picked him number one nobody nobody would say anything But like why always kind of equated them as like the same tier in my head. Yeah. Yeah, it's like De Niro Pacino the same. But I don't know, it feels like-

Starting point is 02:26:30 Ketchup and mustard, baby. Exactly, right. It feels like something shifted now where like Pacino's like somehow a tier below and I don't know if that's fair. I was surprised you went- Can you go to the diner, diner scene? While you look this up, I got Chad a gift for,

Starting point is 02:26:48 or whoever won this draft, I brought them something special. You know, we have like a- I'll get it, I'll find it. This is such a big draft. So whoever won was gonna get this. All actors have a good turtleneck. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 02:27:00 So this is a turtleneck for you for when you're in the studio acting, dude. So here's your acting dude, so thank you That's awesome. Of course. Thank you. Have you ever worn a turtleneck? Here you know in high school Had to wear a blazer with a tie or you could wear a turtleneck and a blazer. Did you go turtleneck blazer? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, was it was a high school training assassins? assassin wears that outfit

Starting point is 02:27:26 There's more Jason Statham your Robin Williams was my english teacher. What's that movie? I couldn't remember the name dead poet society Because I was like ethan hawk man, that guy's a great actor. He's kind of overlooked Yeah, he's great. Yeah, I don't think he's the highest high I don't know if he can get to where some guys can get to but his taste and his uh His consistency. Oh mcconaughey. We didn and his consistency. McConaughey, we didn't talk about McConaughey. Oh, we didn't talk about him. I love McConaughey. He's amazing. Great last pick.

Starting point is 02:27:52 Wait, Jake, I texted it to you. Watch, this is gonna land like a pile of shit, but I texted you the thing. It's always tough, because we're probably gonna step into pacing in a moment of film, which is tough to come switch your brain for that. And just jump to like 112 in a moment of film which is tough to come just switch your brain for that. And just jump to like 112 in this thing.

Starting point is 02:28:07 This is his first movie when he's like 19. See these things? I've been living on these since I was 10. That's why I look so good. Wait, wait, why? We should just we should show him that ass scene from Heat. Great ass! He improvised that too. It's amazing

Starting point is 02:28:27 And then so you think about Denzel doing the liquor license or there's one line and when Denzel walks by a girl and he grabs And he goes and all that jelly and no toast he improvised that oh really great actors know how to channel That's like to the young men out there That's how you channel your horniness in a great art where it's appropriate and where it's we love the unpredictable realness of that energy, we live with it all the time but you know, wait till the director says go. So true. I've never seen Panic!

Starting point is 02:28:53 in Needle Park but that's a very good scene, it's good acting. I don't think a lot of people missed it I think but the naturalism there, the verve, only it's not a lot of cuts either, he's just in it. I was gonna say it's living that's like one and one cut away. Just hanging the whole time. That's all I did I just had to show it. I just showed a little Pacino. Pacino's a beast, dude. I need to go back watch some brand-new movies I've seen Apocalypse Now and The Godfather, but I haven't I gotta go earlier. Have you seen Waterfront? No That's the one

Starting point is 02:29:24 This was a huge draft. This is a long time to come in four years, three, three and a half years since the last one. Wow. I'd like to was uh, it'll be four years in August. Wow. So. And you nailed it with Chalamet, your boy.

Starting point is 02:29:37 You called it bro. Yeah. What about Hardy, Tom Hardy? He's great. I love Tom Hardy. I just uh. Is he, is he just too much of a pain in the ass? Is that his thing? He was I think he even said that he was like an asshole on some movies

Starting point is 02:29:53 Like Mad Max Fury Road, which is like the sickest movie ever But but half his face is covered for it or his face is covered for half the movie I'd be so satisfying when he gets it off. I think it is best He's he's up there with any of them, but I just don't know if he's got the catalog Yeah to go toe-to-toe. I feel like we were talking On a group chat we were talking about who we want as Bond and Ross was like Just give me Hardy for like two movies and I'm like I would have loved that at the time but he's kind of Fossbender He's stuck like dude needed to moisturize a little bit more like like he's got like that

Starting point is 02:30:28 I joked about it, but I was like like he's got like that leathery Mel Gibson look to him But like 10 15 years earlier than Mel had it, you know, and I love Tom Hardy But he just kind of like might be the only one who's aging naturally. He's not doing the polynucleotides. He's not doing the filler He's just keeping it. I don't think is, but it's like there was never a time where you would have needed to do it more as an actor because everyone else is doing it. I like respect to him, dude, because like you said, he's probably more natural

Starting point is 02:30:54 than a lot of the other guys. I'm like, I don't know how Paul Rudd's doing it. Yeah, Paul Rudd. Let's call it, because I'm about to throw up some Donnie Brasco clips. All right, great track, fellas. Legends, that was fun. fellas legends those fun good job, did you get a great list nice? That was fun late I'm still all alone What to do and where to go The way she wants you, I hear There's such a lot of growth inside you

Starting point is 02:31:32 Going deep Going deep I'm going deep I'm going deep Your time's at tea

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