Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 402 - Trevor Baptiste - Professional Lacrosse Player + Mr. Capital calls in.

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Today we are joined by one of the fastest athletes we've ever had in studio, Trevor Baptiste.  A man who started as swimmer and is now a Professional Lacrosse Legend. Some would say he is currently the best Lacrosse player after winning PLL Faceoff Athlete of the year 5 TIMES and an MVP award. We breakdown the science behind a good faceoff - the headspace, reaction time and wrist movements and how you put it all together within seconds. The bros break down some film and GET STOKED ON LACROSSE. We also quickly find out what makes Trevor UNSTOPPABLE. We also take a call from Mr. Capital to get the latest insight on fast moving technologies and the global race for innovation.  Find out more about the PLL Here: https://www.premierlacrosseleague.com/ Find out more about Trevor Here: https://www.instagram.com/trevorbaptiste9/  We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! LOTS OF NEW DATES JUST ADDED.Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Thanks to our Sponsors:Brotege: The Best Skincare products for bros - get started today for just 10$ - Visit https://www.brotege.com/deep BILT REWARDS: Pay your rent with BILT and start earning points towards travel, fitness, restaurants and more! Go to https://www.joinbilt.com/godeep to get started today! Hims: The Best Hair Loss solutions for men. Go to https://www.hims.com/godeep and get started today with an online consult with a professional. PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

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And so you are a face-off specialist in the PLL, the professional lacrosse league. You're heading into the playoffs right now. You've got a dominant offense. You haven't won the title yet, right? No. You've been at league MVP, but you haven't gotten the ship. Yeah, that's right. Do you feel like this is your year?

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And you guys got a chain, right? Like, you dominate the face-off. You're getting like 80% off. the rip then you pass it out to the wing you got like the best wing and then he gives it up to it's a jeff or connor schellenberg or zander dixon we got you know and they've both been MVP right connor and jeff uh jeff has been MVP shelly i think is the favorite right now for this year so

you know obviously i'm a little biased but i think he's uh i think he's got it i think he's got could be MVP every season you know he's he's so good nice yeah and so you got into lacrosse late yeah like you were a swimmer first yeah I swam for a little bit I swam for a little bit so actually for a lot a bit so when I was I guess quick story about that when I was maybe I don't know be like three years old I was at like a community pool and uh after like lunchtime I just thought it was time to go back in the water so I jumped in almost drowned um and the lifeguard had to like jump in and my sister jumped in trying to save me which they did which they did thankfully and uh my mom is like you need to learn how to swim um so I was like okay uh I don't really want to but she was like all right

well if you learn like you can join this team so you can compete and I was like okay as long as they get to race like I'll I'll learn so started when I was really young um and then kind of just really enjoyed winning like the races and like competing and I just stuck with it I stuck with it what was your event towards the end breaststroke

but freestyle too butterfly was never great at backstroke but sprinter sprinter oh sprinter nice I did long distance oh really I think because my coach didn't like me he's like you're doing 500 free I mean that's talking about brutal races

man 500 free thousand free mile I guess it was I wasn't even I'm short. I'm not even qualified. He just wanted to punish me. Yeah, that's great. He took you to a different pool. He's like, he swum across the leg.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like your practice. Like your coach is like, oh, go take a lap. You're like, you go in that pool, just keep laughing. Just keep laughing. That's kind of what was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, how do you do the twisty under the water? That's something I'll never be able to do without getting water in every one of my orifices.

I don't, what is the twist? You know, like, you're swimming, and then you, like, go under and then kick off the wall? Oh, like, uh, like, turn. like a flip turn yeah how do you do a flip turn um i just kind of like front flip and push off i guess practice you know i mean you're doing a lot more turns than me so oh yeah yeah yeah you should be asking me dude yeah mine probably wasn't very good i think i went to the side and it goes straight yeah and then what motivated you to switch to lacrosse um so i also played football growing up and um i grew up in north jersey so lacrosse was pretty probably you're your your build

would suggest football or lacrosse more than swimming. For sure, yeah, for sure. And, yeah, like, I think that I, I was definitely better. For those people at home. I was, I was better. Like 5-11, 220? Yeah, yeah, definitely thick, thick. Yeah, I'm not a swimmer.

I'm not a swimmer. I'm not a swimmer's body. So, so I play football. And then, you know, playing Pop Warner growing up in North Jersey. A lot of my friends played lacrosse in the spring. So they were like, Trevor, you got to come out. You got to come out and play. I didn't really know much of the game.

It came out really bad. It was really bad when I started. But like I've always been, you know, able to keep up athletically, you know? So once I kind of got the skills down, I was like, I really liked this game. I like the creativity with it and comparing it to football, another physical game. You know, you can build your skill set based off of, or you can build your game based off your skill set. Football is like, you know, you're built like this. you play here, you know, like you're fast, you play here, you know, you're a bigger guy,

you play there, but you can be a bigger guy and play attack. You can be a bigger guy and play defense. You can be a smaller guy playing bull, you know, so that's what I really love about the game. Right, you're less constrained by your body type to a certain position. Exactly. Okay, cool. And then how did you realize that you were a faceoff guy? Um, so that kind of got thrown into as well. Um, so I first started, you know, back when I was younger, didn't have the stick skills. So they put me on defense. So they're like, you know, just run around, people um so i did that uh and then uh once i started getting the skills you know i switched to attack um and then in high school there you know it's a lot harder to play varsy as an attack man so they're

like you know you play midfield your athletic can get up and down so play midfield then our face our sorry face off guy just got hurt one you know one year and and they're like all right we need somebody to do it uh Trevor we think you'd be good at it so i say all right i'll hop in there and And I definitely had a knack for it. Like I was definitely good as a beginner. And I just really liked it. And then I stuck with it. What's the key to a good face off?

What's going through your mind? Yeah. For the whistle. So I would say key to a good face off is not thinking too much when you're going down. So I think that it's obviously really fast. You're trying to react off the whistle. You just want to really feel confident in your press.

You know, you practice all the moves, like, and once it comes game time, you're just being really reactive. So keep a blank mind, you know, with that technique is important. Although it kind of looks like two guys just, you know, sparring down there, you know, there is some technique to it, you know, like whether you're, what you're trying to accomplish, trying to play against the other guys move. And then I would say the last piece is like tenacity. Like you just got to, sometimes you just got to be a dog out there. You just got to go for it. So you're standing, you're like on all fours, basically, on your stick. And then that first move where you, it's like kind of the first guy to get his, his net down on the ball.

They call that the clamp. That's it. And then you do a technique sometimes called the reverse clamp. I've done that before, yeah. What is that? Yeah. So it's kind of like you clamp the ball with the other side of your head, like the front side. And then it's definitely like a, it's a move.

If you can pull it off, it's clean, you know. because you clamp with the front side of your head, then you basically pick the ball up from there. Usually when you're clamping, you know, traditionally, you're clamping with the back side of your head. So you've got to throw it out and then run and go pick it up or throw it to a teammate. But if you do the reverse, you get it in the front of your head all the way.

You know, you just kind of spin out of it. Like, it's a nice move. So you guys are kind of almost boxing where you're picking different shots to throw at one another. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it, yeah. And then how long can you stay in the circle battling before the ref blows it dead? really like there is no limit you know so there's been there's been tie ups that I've been a part of

that have taken over a minute you know which is yeah it's a long time so I do think that at some you know there are rules right although it doesn't look like there's rules there are some like you're you're not supposed to use your elbow on your head so like that kind of alleviates we've actually got a highlight jay could you pull up the second clip it's Trevor call an elbow on another guy oh yeah oh yeah right here let it work out oh wow dude dude right here elbow elbow so then yeah you can kind of see and oh nice yeah and that kind of like kind of gives you a little bit more space to get the ball but you know obviously as the you know it's a very physical like a bet so like you know sometimes your elbow falls down, you know, obviously no one's trying to do it.

And right there, you're looking for wings that you can maybe kick it out to. Yeah. All right. Can we pull up the third clip, Jake, and go to 1517? So, dude, there's a 21-minute super cut on YouTube of you when you were in college, a university of Denver. Yeah. Which was one of the few places that gave you an opportunity to play, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And then quickly, you were like one of the best face-off guys in country. You're going up against the greatest college face-off guy ever. You still battle this guy in the pros. but I think you're you're the top guy and then do look at that you guys just he just you've beaten the shit out of the stick let me watch that again dude that all legal there nothing got called there yeah I mean I'm pretty sure I got a stick on that one let's watch it again

so this is Erlin and you guys are like the two best yeah and you guys been battling all game and then you just start shwacking them you just start getting this shit out of them dude I mean yeah like I said sometimes you just gotta be a dog

out there didn't turn out great on that one but you know it's so in that instance you know after the face life

you kind of come down on him what are the rules in terms of like contact with your stick you just got to try to hit their stick

really yeah so like you know I think they're I mean from this angle it kind of looked like like I kind of like hit him on the side but I'm sure I got most of his stick there. I was sure I got most of a stick there because like a stick was up here

right but you know you can't just like were you mad there or were you just trying to jam that ball out I think I was just trying to get that ball you know and and I think the yeah I think being yeah I wouldn't call it angry but you know just being a competitor yeah and it was cool watching you guys because you were the stronger guy so if you got like position on him he couldn't move you off your spot so he tried to like beat you to the twist yeah like you know you know a little something about face it off man i was pinned and then and then there's the exit where it's like the other guy can beat you to the ball initially but then if you knock him off his spot exiting you can pick up the ball before he does yeah exactly and you're good at both yeah yeah i would say it's important as a face off guy to

to try to, you know, promote all parts of the game. You know, I think for, you know, kids that are learning and people watching, you know, it's always so nice when you just win the face off and pop it to yourself and go forward. But that's just not really realistic, you know, like a lot of times, especially against good guys. Like, you got to be able to, you know, give yourself an edge in every situation. And the face off is so critical because you're earning extra possessions for your team. So like a week or two ago, you were like 20. 20 to 25 off the faceoff.

So you're stealing like 20 possessions from them and giving. There's like, what, 40 possessions in a game overall. So you're almost like adding 50% possession to your side. For sure. And then I was looking at like the win outcomes. If you can get like 80% of the face off, you win 80% of the time basically. Yeah. No, it helps for sure.

And I think with that like, you know, lacrosse is a possession game. You know, I think the shot clock has helped a lot. but when I played in college there wasn't a shot clock so you know if you dominated the face off like you you really like I would love to see those stats like it's probably like 90% if you go over 80% or you go over 75% because you could really take the air out of the ball like it's hard to get it out of guys sticks now with the stick technology too so you know I think the shot clock was it was a good add to the game though and then a lot of face off guys they kind of exit the field

once the offense gets set but you're known for having a pretty good dodge skill set and shooting skill set for a faceoff guy like your points are solid from that spot yeah yeah no that's just gasping you up dude yeah I know man I'm just impressed with how much you know you're talking about he's talking about rotating

around the ball the exit you said exits I said hold on this guy knows what he's talking about you know when you're talking are you married or you have a girlfriend I got a girlfriend nice okay so maybe you're not talking When you met your girlfriend, did you tell her, hey, I play the cross? Or did you say, what up? I face off. Actually, neither.

Really? Neither. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I know how to do the twist turn, right? No, I feel like it's been, I think at the start, like it was weird for me to identify with lacrosse, you know? Because I think it was something that a lot of people didn't know. belt and I think that you know a lot of people didn't expect to hear that from me you know so they're like oh wow would have never guessed that we should say to the listeners you are a black dude yeah exactly

it's swimming in lacrosse yeah yeah traditionally exactly Caucasian sports exactly so like you know I I think that for a while that would bother me you know like it would be like you know just telling somebody what you do you know feeling really proud about it and then like you know the answers is like oh wow I would have never guessed that you know and then And, you know, also with that, because lacrosse isn't to the level of NBA, you know, MLB, NHL, you know, then that's followed up with like, oh, so like, what college do you play for? I was like, no, like, I play pro. Oh, like, do you get paid? Do you do that?

Like, you know, like, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, or like, see somebody there for like, oh, like, do they get your flights and stuff? Like, are you, are you like, basically it's like a lot of questions. Like, can you like take care of yourself, you know, with that? you know i think a lot of times it doesn't come from a bad place you know i think it's just like genuine curiosity or you know maybe sometimes ignorance but they're just not being super self-aware they're not being super self-aware and it's also like you got to understand or that i had to understand that pro sports is something where those questions are very common right like you hear

oh this player just signed for like this amount of money this player you know this player got traded here and is getting paid this you know so I think when you hear pro sport it's very natural to people would be like oh like how much do you get paid you know which is interesting yeah and then those numbers are public so it's like right they don't think it's rude to ask someone exactly and the sports for fed and it must be interesting for you too because it's it's like you said it's something that not as many people know about so you have to deal with that when you're communicating with people but then you also know in the back of your head you're the best ever at what you do and like within that community you are renowned for being the best face-off

guy in history your MVP of the league is it hard for you sometimes not to tell the person you're talking to but i am the best that's ever done this yeah i mean i feel like that's also not me you know like i feel uncomfortable i mean honestly you're gas to be up right here i'm kind of like trying to try to lead into a little bit but like you know i'm not the type of person i'd be like oh yeah and by the way, you know, like, I got it like that. Yeah, yeah, by the way. You know, like, it's not me. Dude, I was like, I'll all you around.

I'll do that. I'll just follow you around and do that. He said, yo, by the way, this guy's MVP, any twisters. Any twisters. Yeah. And do you, do you, a lot of guys in pro lacrosse, they play in two leagues. Like, you guys will do the PLL and then the offseason corresponds with the Canadian lacrosse league. Yeah.

And that's box lacrosse. Yeah, the NLL, yeah. Could you kind of explain the difference between the PLL version of lacrosse and the Canadian version? Yeah, so like two completely different disciplines of the game. You know, field, like, you know, it's outside. You have nine field players, one goalie. You have three defensemen, three attackmen. They got to stay on one half of the field.

Midfielders can go all across the field. So there's off sides. Indoor is basically looks more like hockey. It's five on five. with a goalie and then you know you change in the boxes so you just have and that's a little more about stick skills and dodging and like yeah i would i would say definitely stick skills i would say it's a lot more contact just because you're closer so you're playing on a hockey rink they put turf down um and then the nets are a lot smaller the goalies wear a lot more pads so they're

so i was going to say the goal is wear too many pads for inside it's crazy you just got to get They just got to get a hammered Canadian guy to be in there. Just get a guy who's just a maniac, and that's the goalie. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I feel like a lot of times, you know, the best goalies, they don't even move. They don't move that much, you know? Like, they just take angle, you know, just take away the angle. So much different than field as you guys have seen.

And what are the rules on contact? Like, when me and Chad have gone to the games in San Diego the last couple of years, it's been super fun. And with the PLL, you guys, even though you're from different cities, your teams, you all travel together as a league and you play the whole weekend like like round robin tournament style sort of right and so we got to see everybody there and there was a ton of hitting what is like the the rules on hitting i couldn't quite suss it out yeah it's uh it's uh it's very gray like i think even play for san diego now so i play for the seals now and uh it's uh i still try to i think there's still parts of it that i don't even really understand right sometimes it's cool sometimes it's cool sometimes it's not sometimes it's not you know but what did it look sick yeah exactly but I would say like the big ones are um you can cross-check whenever you know as long as you don't knock the guy down that's what I feel like so like someone's cutting in the middle like you can cross-check them push them off their line but and that's offensively and defensively so you can clear space for offensive guy by cross-checking

but if the guy falls you know if it's like really big a big hit then you know they usually call that you know anything to the head they call so like you slash to the head um so i would say those are probably the biggest things but outside of that like if you're going to take like a big hit at somebody you know you's just got to have the ball and it's got to be you know chest to chest so if someone has the ball and they're running towards you can just oh yeah yeah yeah as long as it's not to the head like yeah is the is the hand part of the stick like if you get i mean you're inevitably going to catch some of the hand is that like legal like when you were had your channeled passion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you were going after that guy and you're hitting him in the hand, that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, that's fine for sure. Or, like, sometimes, like, you know, guys are cradling back here

and, or even kind of like that same one, like, cradling back here, a check from behind you and, like, kind of get you right across the back. Like, yeah, that's fine. And it seems like the PLL's letting the fights go a little bit more this year. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think they're letting go a little bit more. You got to do that. Yeah, yeah, yes. So a kind of question for you guys, is that, like, would you wish that, like do you enjoy watching guys square up and fight like in game do you think that makes it more exciting it depending on the sport but yeah every sport yeah yeah yeah like you want to see got i mean baseball i do think like baseball when a guy charges the mound always exciting and some of my

most long-lasting memories are like nolan ryan did bad in his first fight and then when robin ventura charged him he headlocked him and gave him the business yeah like it's part of the the legacy of it and they've kind of got rid of a home plate collisions which I think is probably for the betterment of the athletes' health, but I do miss it. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think fighting's always good. But then it can go the other way.

Like, I know the NBA had to pull back on fighting because like Kermit Washington punched Rudy Tomanovich in the face in the 70s and like shattered his face. And like it really fucked up the league. Yeah. Because people, it was just too gnarly. So you're kind of playing with fire too. I don't know. How do the athletes feel about it?

I think that I think guys have different opinions on it I personally feel you know playing in leagues where you can fight you know playing leagues where you can't I think that if it's if it's looked at the right way I think it's kind of a it's another layer to the game which I think is really cool does it change what's in your head while you're playing like are you aware that a fight could go down I think I wouldn't say change in your head but it's like you know if I like really tried to hit somebody dirty you know like like do a dirty hit on someone like just know like somebody who's going to try to fight you you you know so it kind of keeps guys in check that is the self-regulating aspect of it is really cool you see that in baseball too like oh you hit a guy on my team now if you're a power guy I'm gonna hit you in the waist if you're speed guy I'm going to hitch you in the foot like the way they patrol it for their side for sure yeah it's definitely like patrolling so I think it's good and then you'll have a designated goon now on the team absolutely yeah do you guys have a goon yet I would say we have a goon I think too like

in indoors it's getting similar to NHL where like it's definitely more skill based now like compared to like you know decades ago things like that you know it's more just guys want to fight it's like you know you it's hard to have a roster spot for somebody who just who just fights yeah they gotta have some skills

they got some skills too do guys ever do the like hockey kind of pop off the gloves and the helmet and do this that's my favorite thing to watch I'm like this is old fashioned it's very nice and the red and then if a guy goes to the ground okay now we now we you want and you know not can sometimes I get a bit too big but like it feels like America's moving back towards a gladiatorial spirit you know like we're gonna have

MMA on the White House lawn it's like that's actually happened that they're gonna do that well brawling is back brawling is back brawling is so back is a good old days we guys do you guys sorry go ahead no please please do you guys ever do locker boxing uh we did that in high school yeah no we yeah we don't really do we did it high school we don't we don't we don't really do that yeah maybe that's a question makes sense if you do have fighting because lacrosse is a native american sport founded here in the americas and sometimes would be used to settle disputes instead of war yeah they would play games that were like over uh like a thousand players like through the woods it would last days yeah yeah crazy have you guys know your

history you guys go i played for a year oh let's go a lot of tribes every one had different yeah i went to a big lacrosse school actually where's you go to school Hotchkiss. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. Really big of, a lot of my buddies went to, like, Princeton, Syracuse training to play. Yeah. So I played, like, Frosh.

I played third, it was called. Yeah. I played with all the hockey guys, so they would just hit kids, and I would kind of just watch. Yeah. It was fun. That's awesome. I love lacrosse. I tried to get into it.

I was a little bit too late, and I could never move up to. I mean, JV was, even JV was tough to get into. Especially, yeah, Hachkiss. Yeah. Yeah, so kids, I mean, there are kids that are playing their whole lives there, but it's a blast. Just tossing the ball. Yeah, it's so much fun. Yeah.

You know, we're big on flow. Like, hockey has flow, like where the players like to have the hair out of the helmet. Yeah. What are lacrosse players doing where it's like I have a little extra stuff? I got a little style out there. I mean, you've got a great beard. I can see that. I appreciate it.

But then you have the face mask. It's kind of tough. Yeah. So I would say tilt is kind of like that now. I flow used to be a big thing when I was like younger like that that was definitely talked about a lot but uh tilt so like your face mask coming down like I don't even know like the top is like kind of you can barely see I've seen that it is cool that's that's a talk yeah does that my head's pretty big so I can't really I don't got the tilt game but and could it does that hurt someone's vision when they're playing I feel like it's got it yeah is it worth it though I feel like it's steed you I mean I mean I feel like it's Look at it. Yeah, look at it.

They said Will Chamberl at his best free throw shooting years when he went underhand, but he just thought it looked uncool. Yeah. So sometimes you got to go with, you know, you got to think about the chicks, man. Look and feel good, play good. Exactly. Do you keep guys on the team because they have good, even if they don't play well because they have too much tilt, but like just to like maintain aura.

You know what I mean? I feel like at the pros, not anymore. No, no. You know, there was always that guy, there was always that guy in high school that was really like, oh, yeah, he's bringing the aura for sure. He's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, at our high school, our backup QB was a empirically hot dude. Like, he was a good looking guy, but he never played, but he looked good in pads.

You were almost like he should be the starter, but then you saw him throw the ball and noodle arm. Yeah, he's a, sorry, Jeff, spaghetti. First one at the total, though. First one at the total. He was, and he used to get the, he used to get the, he turned to the stands, but come on, guys he was always leading cheers and stuff he's pretty cool good morale he's got good political takes on

Facebook too do you he's really sharp do you tie your own do you tie your own net yeah yeah string a stick yeah you string your stick so that's like a big kind of ritual and then with the Kavanaugh brothers one of the brothers does both their sticks yeah I think it's it's actually

kind of surprising a lot of guys don't know how to string especially at the pro level like more than you'd think It's one of the sweetest things I've ever heard That the brother still strings his other brothers stick Yeah yeah so Yeah I think

I think as a face off guy You break a lot of sticks So I kind of taught myself out of strength Because I was always going through heads And you know I didn't want to be relying I'm like oh like Or it's like my brother So like oh I got to hit somebody up

Is that meditated for you? Not so much anymore I think when I was younger Business Yeah I think it's just business now It's like It's honestly like you know you get you kind of rip up you get blisters all your hands at least i do because i'm pulling

it like so tight how long is it take i could i just sure you're sick in probably like 10 15 minutes do you ever feel connected to the native american like predecessors of the game uh i don't even know if they had string on the stick i i saw some images where it looked like it was just yeah so you can kind of see like that the traditional pocket like those in the middle um yeah like that one yeah So that's kind of your more typical, you know, it's called a traditional pocket. And those, you know, when the Native American people played, they had wooden sticks. So it's, I don't know if you've ever seen a picture, but their pockets look similar to that. Yeah.

Last of them, Mokikins, Daniel A. Lewis, is running around with him. Oh, yeah. Is he really? Yeah, he's playing in the cross in one of the early segments of the film, Michael Mann, very sick. Wow. Dude, I imagine you just for an intimidation factor, dude, if I was in marketing, I would just have you with like a bowie knife or like a sweet knife in your mouth

whatever you're cutting the string with just by a lit fire and just being like the face-up or even like or even hanging upside down blindfolded and restringing and then tying yourself like an assassin that'd be so sick I'd be like I don't want to face off against you dude

and do you attribute your face off dominance is it is what percentage would you say is you're just the quickest off the whistle I don't know like what percentage it would be I would say probably a little over 50 or 50 that's a huge part and your coach said that like when he first put you at face off he'd never seen a guy do this before you went over to the side of the field and you had like a little speaker

box yeah with a whistle on it and you were just practicing that reflex yeah exactly so yeah I think that like a lot of it especially back then it's like you know anticipate or or more reaction. I feel like now it's more like anticipation at the pros. But a lot of that's just like, you know, feeling comfortable. So like kind of repping it out, you know, and I think you can kind of get a feel for like the pace of the whistle, like the pace of the cadence. Jack Nicholson says the most important part of acting is being relaxed. Yeah. Because you can respond authentically. You're not reaching for it. Do you feel like that's a big part of why you're so good at face off is that you're just calmer than the other dude? Absolutely. I think being.

being calm is so important you know i think that you can't react if you're tense you know like if you're trying to like if you want to make it happen too much yeah yeah exactly like if you're like really tightened up and the whistle blows like you can't you can't like it's hard for you to really react and like jump and go um because you're so like locked into yourself um so i think being relaxed is is really important um i think that just comes with practice you know like muscle memory Do you stay chill off the field? Like, is it important to you to be in, like, a relaxed headspace so that you're not, like, building up tension?

Um, I try to, yeah. Like, I think I, I, it's kind of funny. Like, I think I am, like, a pretty relaxed person. You seem it. Yeah, but I think I also have a lot of energy. Like, I think I have very, like, I'm sure there's a demon in you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, you guys saw it.

You guys saw it. You guys saw it. Like, yeah, it comes out. Yeah. It comes out. Yeah. So, you know, like, I definitely, I definitely like to compete, you know, and I, I, I got that fire to compete.

How often do you masturbate? Honestly, I mean, I got not that much anymore. I say like, maintain your cheat. Yeah, probably like about, I mean, I also, you know, I got a girlfriend now. Hell, yeah. Nice. I got a wife, so I'm masturbating a lot.

And then who would you say is your, so you and Erlin have been battling since college? And then you and Joe Nardella, have you guys been battling since college? Yeah, me and Joe didn't go against each other in college. We overlapped one year So I think he was a senior when I was a freshman Yeah But we didn't play each other that year So

And so with these guys You've been playing for a long time though And you have a lot of reps against Yeah Like how do you keep them on their toes When they kind of know your game at this point Oh Like you and Erland have been battling

For what is like eight years now or something Yeah I mean yeah That's actually kind of crazy to think about I didn't think about that You've probably faced off a thousand times against each other I feel like

in college we went against each other and then he was a sophomore I think and I was a senior so there was like two years then he did a COVID year too so he came out three years after I did but I feel like we've gone against each other

a lot more in the pros that was the only time when he gets each other in college and then we also played on team USA together so i wanted to ask about that so USA and Canada the best yeah who are the other countries that you're like looking at uh so the Hone Nishone which is um the Native American team they have a national team which is really cool and they're trying to get yeah they're trying to get um uh sovereign for the Olympics I think that that would be the term

that'd be awesome yeah um so you know hopefully that happens because, you know, they obviously... Will you feel bad if you beat them, like, 20 to zero? No, no, I mean, I think it's, you know, it's a game. Yeah, you know, like, like, we're playing them enough to dominate them. Yeah, we're playing to win the game, you know, I think. And there's, yeah, even if they call it a home game for you guys, is it really a home game? Yeah, that's right, that's right.

This is an awake. Yeah. That was one thing on it. They do land acknowledgments before all the lacrosse games. It's bad ass, dude. La Crosse is on it, dude. I love that. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so I would say that would be another team that. And Japan's pretty good Japan is like They've progressed so much since So I've been on the national team since 18 And I think they were I don't even think they're in like the highest bracket

In 18 and then Last year they did really well Or sorry the last World Games in 23 And now like going to the Olympics Like their six's team is It's pretty impressive And you're seeing a lot more parody You know I feel like

For the past decade or two Like the same teams would kind of win and kind of be between the same few teams. Now you're seeing other teams, like, compete at a high level. When foreign players come into, like, traditionally American sports, they bring with it, like, their own styles. And it tends to change the style of play here. Have you seen any influence from foreign players in terms of, like,

oh, like, we don't have, like, a step like that, or we don't do that, but maybe that's going to become normal? Yeah, I would say the obvious change is Canadian players. Like, that's happened over the years. And definitely, like, kind of like you say, like the skill that they have. So one is like Canadian players never switch hands. So they've never switched hands.

Yeah. Yeah. And American players are it was always like, you know, if you're a good player, you can go right and left. And then you have like the best player in the nation or the best player in the world, like Gary Gade or something like that. He's not switching hands, you know? So what do they do then when they're, if they're like attacking from like the right

side, what do they, if they're sticking with their right hand, they just. Yeah, sometimes they do that. Sometimes they can go like one-handed underhand. So a lot of, I feel like the most common ways to go behind the back. So they do that. Oh, yeah. So, you know, in the U.S., they call it behind the back. They just call it backhand.

Like, that's your backhand pass, you know. And what's the dude behind the neck called? They got like the player at X. Yeah. I like that spot. Yeah, it's nice. Is that like, so he's kind of like a post passer almost? Kind of.

I think, I think you could play it differently. I think it's kind of to that point, like offensive has evolved over the years too with different players. So, you know, usually your ex-attackman is usually the guy that's like, it used to be the guy who's like initiating. Like he's like the Dodger, you know, doing the finalizer move behind the net, getting a step on his guy, get into five and five and like just burying the ball. Like or passing it forward and then a midfielder scoring. So I think that that's evolved. You know, now you can have ex-attackmen that kind of sneak and they just catch from the midfield and score. You know, they don't have to be a dodging threat.

So it's kind of different, I think. And that's why I think the game is so cool. Like there's so much creativity and there's so many ways you can build a team, build an offense, and build your own position. It's wonderful to watch. Yeah. Can we get to pull up some more highlights, Jake? Can we go to the, uh, the, uh, the first video and go to 858? Let's go.

They say it's a fastest game on ground. That's what they say. Yeah. I would, I think it is. How fast the ball go? Uh, when they're shooting. Guys can shoot the ball 200 or no, 100 miles per hour. I don't know why I said 200 right there.

I was going to be like it's like 120s, right? RJ's here too. RJ's the man. We hang out with them when we go down to the, the events. RJ is the band. Shout out. Shout out.

So, so great to be in the presence of greatness. Do you do all the social media for the league, right? I plug it in and help where I can. I love that. He's big,

that's what I'm talking about. Good energy. Yeah, they had, at the last event, they did it where the fan experience we could try and huck it. Me and Chad put up some solid numbers. What do you guys put up?

I don't even remember. You beat me. Did that, yeah, I mean, you might have broke 60. I played in, high school, dude. I played it at Hotchkiss. We would have got speeding tickets in a suburban neighborhood. I played on the

Frosch team. And so this one's against, is this against Nardello right here? Yeah, it is. It's got to be, I think. So this is one of your main rivals. Yeah. You guys were going out of for so long here. So what's going on there? Is this this, this might be

a, uh, uh, whoa. That was a violent motion. That's awesome. Yeah. So that that's what you kind of call a counter. so like our sticks were stuck for a while then is he on top of the ball there so the kind of balls in between our sticks and our heads are kind of just wedged against each other so it's like nobody can really catch an edge and or maybe one person has like 60% of the ball or 40% of the ball um so then that would be like going into a counter where you know the other guy got the clamp

or you know maybe you can seed the clamp and then you try to counter to get the ball loose and did you know you had the wing right there to get it to yeah so you're thinking right there oh we could have like a quasi fast break here if i can just pitch it out to them yeah like we have a two-on-one situation right there if i can join the play there that's awesome and the whip snakes that's a good team they're the champs aren't they the current champs or is that two years ago no i think that i think it was what was it all right i like 20 i like to live in the past yeah first two they won the first too so they definitely got like the dynasty vibes but they went to the the championship last year.

Oh, they lost? They lost. We lost to them in the semis in a heartbreaker, heartbreaker overtime game. Where did you guys HQ? Because you're New York. Are you guys in Manhattan or where are you guys? Technically Albany.

That's what we play out of. I think we're looking to move that soon. But, yeah, we open up in Albany every year. And it's great. You know, it's great to be up there. Do you guys practice up there? Yeah. We practice on the road all season long, but we do do training camp up there.

And then when we play our doubleheader weekends, we, we practice there too. Do you live in New York in the off season? I don't. I actually live in San Diego. Oh, you do. Which name is it? Of course, dude. A little Italy.

Oh, dude. Nice. Nice. I love San Diego. It's a school. Yeah, we both, I went to junior, all the junior colleges there. Oh, nice. Yeah, if you drive by a junior college, I went there.

You just got to bounce around. I was just feeling it out, seeing what had the best community. Can we go to 8.58? Do you have an hour? This was an hour of faceoff. I was looking at that. Have you ever watched this? No, I didn't even know that that existed, to be honest.

That's a lot. That's a lot. I think, you know, been playing for a minute. Dude, it's awesome. I forget why I highlighted this one, but I remember liking it. I pulled this up on Christmas with my family. Let's watch Frickin' White Christmas or Christmas Carol. No, dude.

Just watch some highlights. When you face off you, you have one knee on the ground and one foot on the ground? Yeah. Is that just technique or is that probably the world? Yeah, that's technique. So I think now guys start facing off on a knee. Sometimes guys start facing off standing in college. That's how it's done.

Got to stand. So it's kind of preference when you choose between those two. but if you're going to go on a knee that's probably the most efficient way to face off with your right knee down do you wrestle at all like do you utilize wrestling techniques in there I never have

I'd love to like I've always wanted to get into like jujitsu yeah I've always wanted to try that but it's really similar it's really similar a lot of face off guys did wrestle or do wrestle yeah yeah and so there you kind of just boxed him off the ball and we're on top of it and then he was just trying to get underneath you

with the stick and then you saw your wing and you just gave it a little yeah i think i think like on that one they like saw the wing i tried to flip it up i think i didn't really get a great hit on that so you know shout out to i can't see who picked up the ball to you but whoever was gray ground ball by them um and but yeah that's exactly it and how good is it i mean obviously must feel amazing but in the instances where you decide to try and go like all the way to the goal for it yeah which which you are like the best out amongst the faceoff guys. What are the conditions that make you feel like you can go for it? And how does it feel after you deliver that?

I think it's just kind of reading the defense. You know, I think that a lot of times, I think a lot of times I benefit because, especially on our team, because it's like you got, you know, you got Jeff on this side. You got a slide off of. You got Shelley on that side. You got a slide off of. You know, so it's like, you know, they're probably don't want to leave Jeff.

They probably don't want to give them that much space. so it gives me space to run down. And it feels great to win the faceoff run down score. It's like, you know. Let's go. Yeah. Huge juice, you know, and huge for momentum, you know. That's a big part of the face off too, is you can score, score again, score again.

You can put a guy in a hole. Right, exactly. And this is what a guy Ragged Easy said about you. If you say I'm going to bail on technique and attack his hands and shovel counter, he's, what is a shovel counter? I asked to pull a cross guy. He didn't know what that was. Yeah.

So it's kind of like. I did like a reverse shovel, but like simply, it's like the person's got the clamp, like their right hands down the ball. Usually you lift your left hand up because that's how you grab the ball. That's how you plunge it. Right. So shovel would be like, exactly. Shovel would be like me trying to get underneath your stick there and then like kind of lift you up.

Oh. Like lift you up off the clamp. But he says even if you do that, he's got such unbelievable field awareness that he puts the ball to free space. and then you got the closing speed to get there. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, that's a good scout for sure. That's my guy.

Jerry's my guy. Let's just play this. We go way back, actually. He's from Jersey as well. It's so fun to watch live. Yeah, it's exciting. It's fast. It's fun.

When we first went to the PLL games last year, it's like the game moves so fast. There's a lot of scoring, which is fun. Yeah. And just the technique with the sticks is when you're really paying attention to what it's really captivating. Yeah.

No, for sure. It's crazy how skilled everybody is. Yeah. Like they're. Well, I think, I think, too, I mean, that to be able to work the stick and all of that stuff on top of the physicality. Right. It's, it's, uh.

Right. No, for sure. It's working a lot of things at once. Do you remember a game where you felt you were, like, the most in flow? Ooh. Do you feel that at all? Do you think you get to a heightened headspace where, like, sound and movement is kind of getting funneled? Absolutely, yeah.

Yeah, it's, like, the best feeling to be in the flow state, for sure. I would say obviously that's like where you want to try to get to you can't do it every time can't do it all the time but when you're there it's like everything's going

in slow motion almost you know and do you feel responsible do you think it's contagious like can you give it to other guys I think so I think so like I think

I think it's more I wouldn't say that you can make somebody else get into the flow state but I think like with your it was a bad turn over there but I was sick though with the one hand but I would say like

you know like more your demeanor you know I think you're contagious and maybe that can you know help somebody get to that spot for themselves yeah I agree I think I mean it's so great you can get into flow state doing this it takes me like bottle service in Vegas and DaVici

could be this weekend to get into it We're going to Vegas this weekend. That's what gets me there. Yeah, we're going. Let's go. I know Zed, the DJ, pretty well. Yeah. We've done some work for him and he's helped us out with some stuff.

But I'm going there for a fantasy football draft. Oh, nice. But my buddies are also calling it like a bachelor party for me because I'm engaged. Oh, no. He's the draft Lorette, dude. No, but I'm very much resisting that because I don't want the pressure. Yeah. Yeah.

And they're like, hey, can you get us into the pool party? Dude, it said Palm, Zed's going to be. at Palm Tree Beach Club, which me and Chad did promotional stuff for. But the ask is, can I get 15 guys pushing 40? It's a tough ask. I can't do it. A lot of tired. I think the technique is...

Get in there. Well, get in there and just be like, dude, I'm going to be in Vegas this weekend. I texted Simon. Simon's in Germany. Okay. Of course. But I think if I pay, we can get, I got a guy who can get us into the club for like, 65 ahead not too bad and then i think once i see zad or the guy from palm tree then 65's ahead's not

too no it's not bad yeah but then i got 40-year-old guys being like what can't we get a table for free i'm like it's all cranky it's cranky adult man yeah i paid a baby 65 plus a babysitter it's like dude you got to relax do you party that's funny yeah yeah yeah i was actually saying uh was zed in Vegas. I went there and he was playing at Zook. Yeah, he was playing at Zook. Good spot. Oh, yeah, it was awesome. It was a great show. Awesome. Then this must have been, I forgot what year was exactly, but he finished his set. It was awesome. Then Travis Scott just jumped on stage, like, unannounced. And this was kind of after like the whole astral world. Yeah, like it was kind of, you know, he was going on, cancel his tour. Like he was just doing some shows. Yeah.

low key so he didn't say anything and then he jumped on stage i've never been like like in awe by something or like or like a performer like that like just the surprise by it and we're obviously like right next to the DJ booth and he just like jumps out and starts going crazy that's the best dude oh so sicker bow started coming oh he's like yeah you look at your buddy we're going crazy oh my gosh Travis got But how's that effect on people? Yeah. What is it?

I don't know. He just has so much energy coming off of them. Yeah, I don't know exactly what it was, but like it's, it's really captivating. It's captivating. And that element of spontaneity, the unplanned element of just life and everything. And it's sport. Yeah. Just when it's magic.

Yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah, he got. That was crazy. But, but yeah, shout out to, shout out to Zuc and Zad for sure. I mean, so how many weeks in a row are you on the road? um this season I feel like it's usually like

it depends on where your buys fall uh our buy was week two so this must be like I don't know would that be like 10 10 weeks and you guys are all traveling together um usually not no usually like guys will go back home for a couple days or a few days during the week

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You know, you got the bike on and you got, like, the headset on. So in this game, I guess Boyle came down. I was talking about me. He's like, okay, like, it seems like you guys get tied up a lot. I was going to get his TK and he's another guy really fast hands and really strong he's like what's going on

and I'm just kind of saying you know whatever I end up just I mean should we just watch it I don't know yeah I bet we should watch it yeah oh we got sound I'm gonna get some good tilt on these dude

oh dude look at that I'll tilt up too that looks sick that's good ass tilt on that the only time I got tilt you know that didn't It's hard to push us off. I got to go.

I got to go, Brendan. We're going to stick with him here. And you're one of the biggest face off guys. Yeah. Yeah, I would say it right now, yeah. Well, he made quick work of him that time. Oh. Wow.

What off the rip? Hey, they're coming late off of him. Yeah. You really did have to go somewhere, huh? Yeah. What was the difference on that one between the other ones? That's me, boy. Oh, so you were live that whole time?

Yeah. That's awesome. That's great. That's amazing, dude. It's been a while since I was that. Dude, it's crazy. Wow. Did you ever play against the founder, Paul, Paul Rabble? Paul Ravel, yeah, Paul.

We were teammates. He was on our team in this clip. Oh, was it? Oh, really? He was playing that night. Wait, so did he own the league while he was playing? Yeah. Is that?

Wow. Wow. I didn't know. Is that a tough at all? It's like if you don't, are you all conflicted? Like, I got to feed him the rock or was he, he's probably chill about it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I think that like, I don't.

You got special rules. You can't get that close to me. Yeah. No, I think that, uh, I think, honestly, like, thinking back to it, like, when he, you know, Paul is obviously being pulled close. That's my guy. So I think that, you know, we got a lot closer, obviously, playing on the same team.

I think there's two different perspectives. It's like being in the locker room with that, like dynamic. But I think, you know, looking at the whole league, I think guys would go a lot harder against him. Like, I think he got, you know, he got the toughest matchup. Like, guys were getting, you know, giving their best shot and more when they were going against them. So, you know, obviously I got Matt. respect for that. I think that in any sport, you know, when you reach the top, like you're

going to get everybody's best shot, you know, like you're, you're going to get, you know, everybody's going to play up to you. So it wasn't like when you see like a Russian guys playing against Vladimir Putin? Yeah, no, it was not like that at all. It was not like that at all. I think guys like we're trying to, yeah, guys were trying to like really stick it to him. Right. And I think that, you know, he handled that really, really well. And it was like a lot of challenge for him. You know, I do. If you think that. If you're the founder, though, league do you have the power to like be like guys i'm going to trade myself uh i feel like you might be i don't know like he did he did uh he did get traded to

the canons so like right now um so he was doing he was that's kind of funny he's like working the deal as like a gm and as like he's like look i think paul's worth yeah i late first round pick i mean i don't know i don't know exactly you know like knock yeah i don't know exactly how wet but uh and and he owns because right now the the teams aren't owned by individual owners right now it's just it's league own it's just the league owns all the teams yeah the league the league owns all the teams i think it's i think it's been a really great setup not to get you know i'm obviously not the business savant you know i'm a player but especially early for leagues i think one benefit of the ufc is that they have it's all under

one auspice so it's easier to kind of for sure direct things you be nimble real nimble yeah exactly You don't have as many cooks in the kitchen. Right. Like, you know, you make a decision that, you know, this is going to be really good for the company. It's going to cost this amount of money. It's like, all right, done, right? It's not like, okay, we got to check with eight owners to make sure they're cool with it. Yeah.

And maybe it helps out seven teams, what the one team isn't going to see as much benefit, right? So I think it keeps us really nimble. But, yeah, but the leagues, every team's league going. But, you know, there is, obviously, a lot of investment capital, too. that's coming. Dude, you guys have some big heavy hitters, but I mean, Joe Sy is one of the main investors. Yeah.

We were sitting near him. I want to go ask him questions about the federal debt. And dudes who worked for the PLO were like, please stay away from Joe. I was like, I think he's going to have like crazy insight. Like, should we sell Navity? Should Navidio be able to sell those chips?

They're like, do not ask him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, all right, but right there. He's just sitting there. He is the man, though. Eating tacos. He, Joe also owns the San Diego Seals. too.

Oh. Yeah. So he's just... Which is a different league. Different league, yeah. So, and I mean, like, you know, talk about just great, great person. You know, like, you just... And loves lacrosse.

Loves lacrosse. The Churning Group? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of heavy hitters. Do you see... Have you seen a lot of growth from the sports since being in?

I mean, it seems like the PLL is going a lot better than the preceding league, the major league. lacrosse league for sure yeah for sure like it's it's been really cool to to be a part of and see the growth like um you know even since i've been playing like you know i mean obviously even just be here with you guys like this isn't something that you know pro lacrosse players would be doing you know this isn't like an opportunity that uh you know somebody that's playing in the mLO would do you know unless that's something that they're doing on their own on the side you know right um so Was that hard when that league was kind of shuddering and then the PLL kind of expedited that process? Or were you grateful that there was a kind of a newer, better spot to move to?

I think that, you know, I probably shouldn't, like, weigh in. Yeah, weigh in on, like, how all that went. But what I do know is, like, it pushed the game forward, you know? And, like, the creation of the PLO and everyone a part of that, like, has. been pushing the game forward and that's really that's really great and if people want to tune in and watch the playoffs what's the best place to do that uh ESPN nice so I mean that's been huge too I mean that that was a big shift not not to stay on this topic for too much but like the MLL was behind a paywall and it was like through like a lacrosse network that was harder now at ESPN it's

like you know worldwide leader right worldwide leader sports let's go huge contract get some top tens in there dude I want I want to see you on the top 10 facing off someone that would be great that'd be so sick we've been on top 10 a lot this summer right rj do you know how many how many times uh he's got value at least two yeah 15 yeah 15 oh let's go i mean the highlights are remarkable watching the person dude the one thing is it is kind of scary like we get great seats we get to be right there but there's no wall the dudes are hucking the ball and like i'm kind of neurotic i'm like i'm gonna get smoke dude I'm going to be like Andrea Bud Shelly and have to be a blind opera singer after this.

Where are you guys doing the, where's the first round of playoffs? They're in Minnesota. Oh, cool. Where goes the most, what's the strongest lacrosse town? This is multi-faceted answer here. So I would say from PLL, like just going to a city and playing there, I have, I have, I have a bias, but I would say either Denver or Chicago. Oh, Denver's the best for comedy.

Yeah. And Chicago is very good for comedy too. Yeah. So I mean, I think it's lacrosse in comedy. Like I think this is like the bridge we need a, we need a, yeah, the gap we need a bridge, I guess, you know, but. Good towns. People there have like a good, yeah, good quality of life and they seem like a real community.

For sure, like, yeah, good people. So, yeah, obviously I was school in Denver and so I got to spend some time out there. But I would say like your hotbeds, your traditional hotbeds of lacrosse or Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, you know, tri-state area. It was like the hotbeds. That's where like all the most participation is, you know. It's really taken off in California. I remember when I was in high school and it was kind of exploding in SoCal or just, you know, because there's always an East Coast sport. No one really, but then when I was like in high school and stuff, it's like in San Diego, that became kind of a hot spot.

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Yeah, good hairline. That's a good one. That's actually a great answer. That's a great answer. Especially as we all get into our 30s and 40s. Yeah. Like, you see how somebody like 45, 50, like just great head of hair? Dude, later in your career, you can reverse tilt your helmet and just show your hair line.

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because I don't want to be late to the movie because it's a long movie like if I miss the beginning it would be really tough she's like no like I kind of want to get some food so I'm just like I'm trying to kind of cool about it and then we end up being late to the movie bro and then

it's like we get there like 10 minutes in the movie so I sat at the movie I was confused the whole time like the whole movie I'm trying to try to figure out what's going on and like there was only like the seats in the front so like my neck is like yeah that's an iMacs one too like this my fiancee does that yeah we'll get to a movie like 10 minutes late we'll be getting food and it's like the movie started like 45 minutes ago yeah she's like this is so us just being i'm like this is so you yeah i don't want this

i love the previews yeah that's hilarious Oppenheimer I love you the date movie dude Yeah I mean after that I was I was like It's a three-hour movie It's gonna work out

Movies are kind of a tough date too Yeah Because you're not talking But you're right next to each other Yeah I showed up to a movie date drunk One time in college I don't recommend

Because you just sort of like I told this story on here before I wasn't on a date I went out with a Me and a friend and one of them was just a girl I was friends with, but I had a crush on her. And we saw a movie that was really scary, he was Passion of the Christ.

And when they started really bruising up Jesus, she got scared and I held her. Because she was terrified, and I had a massive Woody. Just tearing through my jeans. That's a good first date movie, dude. Every first day, Passion of the Christ,

Oppenheimer, good first dates. Yeah, kept inviting her to like terrifying movie experience. Because that was the only way would be close. Let's go see Saw. They're showing Schindler's list at the region. She's crying. I'm like, come here, come here.

It's a classic. If you guys heard about this AMC pass thing? 30 bucks a month for four movies a week? Is this a new pass? Yeah, because the last pass went like belly up because it was too good of a deal. Yeah, but this sounds like it's kind of the same thing. I mean, I'm down, dude. Especially the ones with the recliners.

You ever go to those A&Cs? Oh, yeah. man it's like that's nice man it's nice it's not set up 30 bucks four movies spend all day there spend my whole day off yeah what's your favorite HBO show uh oh oh i i say game of thrones it's a great show i think close is uh entourage honorage is close very fun did you You ever watch Band of Brothers? I never did. Dude, it's sick.

It's awesome. Oh, you got to watch it. Yeah, yeah. I've heard great things. Yeah, very great things. All right, well, dude, thank you so much for coming on, Trevor. It was an honor and a pleasure. I think everybody check out the PLL playoffs on ESPN and pay close attention to Trevor.

Greatest Face Off guy in history, 80%. I think you're, what's your career average? Like 65%? I think 65, yeah. Wins, bro. It's definitely not, yeah. 80 definitely sounds a lot more dominant, but like 65%. Yeah, 65 is a good number.

If you can raise that by four more percent, that'd be very chill. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I'll get that up for you guys. I'll get that up for you guys. Well, we really appreciate the time and it's really cool learning more about the sport. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate you. Thank you, Trevor.

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technically but uh also i'm like dude i just i get sore i don't want to be sore i want it to just chill dude i uh i golfed at penmar have you guys golfed at penma no i hear it's nice nine holes it's the most venice golf experience we got paired up with um these two ladies bonnie and becca shout out they're awesome and they were just they were so drunk like they were just ripping fireball shots and uh it was like the slowest golf round of my life nine holes took four hours because It's just so bottlenecked. You know, it's like, there's like a million people out there. I guess a lot of singles go out there to meet.

And it's like, it's the most Venice golf experience. You're like, it was, it was so fun, but it was so ridiculous. Dude, that's amazing. Four hours, nine holes, though, is a nightmare. Yeah, we got to a hole and it's literally, it's like 20 people waiting to T. Golf should be 12 holes. Yes. Yes.

I agree. Like pro golf. 18's too much. Yeah. Yeah. We joke about this in our KB boys thread. well it's some fit dudes our buddies are fit you're pretty fit i mean i'm okay but uh there's the fittest guy in our crew probably ross maybe for ross is up there he's like dude no matter

what i do i do about danny is a specimen you're right danny's an absolute specimen sorry ross but ross former linebacker at u sc different skill sets very true um yeah ross has more power danie's just an all-around i bet danny would have been good at lacrosse but suffice to say ross was like I am exhausted after I play 18 holes of golf, no matter what. Yeah, and it's hot out there, too. Yeah. How was your weekend? Dude, it's good.

I was in Connecticut. Oh, yeah. How'd that go? It was awesome, super fun. We were a great town. Yeah, she's from Westport, my fiancee. It's beautiful, man. Yeah.

Yeah, I really liked it. We did the aquarium, which was sick, seeing the kids see jellyfishes just blew their minds. And then we went on on a boat on the Long Island Sound. That was sick. We went to New Haven for the pizza. How was it? Dude, so good. Really?

It's, I mean, I don't know. Maybe if I had it without knowing that it was like supposed to be the best, I would have thought it was whatever, but I was, I thought it was, I thought it was, one place took four hours, this place Sally's worth the weight. Really? Yeah. Did you see Yale? I did.

Yeah. I did, honestly, not as pretty as I thought it would be. I jumped around and texted the guys, I'm glad I didn't go here. I thought, I thought, you know, and they kind of happened encased. So you can't really make it out from the just driving around. Yeah. It looks like cool, like Gothic architecture. I like that it felt old, but that was one thing I know is too,

so many more cemeteries in Connecticut. People have been dying there a lot longer than here. At my high school, we had a cemetery like in the middle of campus. Yeah, we don't have, in California, because I don't think we treated like, you know, the indigenous or whatever super well with the burial stuff. Yeah. People have only been dying in communities here for like 80 years. Yeah.

So we just don't have as many. some of yeah it's just not everywhere yeah i know it is you do feel that well i love that old america feeling you get like boston it's pretty cool it's awesome yeah like the oldest building there is gonna be 300 years old the oldest building in california maybe 150 yeah how was how was flying brutal my son was flying home was a nightmare really dude he worst he's ever tantrumed really i had to take him to the bathroom and he was like scratching me and then he just sat on the ground and like cried and I tried to touch his face and sue them and he was like get off me really and they they only want to be with mom so they're both trying to get to mom yeah and then she gets really

stressed out because they're climbing all over yeah yeah yeah and then she's like do something I'm like there's nothing I so I grab the kid I bring them back to the seat they climb over I bring them back to the seat yeah and you just get stuck in this perpetual loop of unhelpful effort what uh what is it about with kids and flying is it their ears the ears heard no they're just for some kids I think it's that for my kids it's like they have energy and they want to run around but you're on an airplane right and then if they can't do what they want they start to tans they're they're in their twos now the terrible twos so yeah my son was just going crazy and that's five five five and a half hours yeah everyone's really

nice on the flight yeah it was a six hour flight all in and it was rough we were stressed up i try to lean into the chaos yeah and i get kind of loud and performative as a way to like not have my spirit get broken but then that also i'm just adding noise so it's it's not always helpful yeah that is true like I guess like if I'm flying and I'm you know I'll raw dog a lot I don't wear headphones if I see the parent

just doing the work I'm like I can't really get mad no and no one wants to be on that plane and especially a kid I mean come on and dude you you raw dog driving too yeah I just drive around true dog I just drive around

thinking a lot I've been I just think I tried it recently it's nice yeah sometimes I'll have breakthroughs yeah sometimes oh that's a good idea for this or a bit or something like that it is a good thing to do yeah being distracted all the time i've dude i've been finding myself just fucking at night all usually i like to unwind and watch like a hbo show or just finish a show or put on equalizer and relax like that's like my soothing do it i just i'll scroll now i'll have equalizer on yeah and i'm like it's not enough for me and then do this

and i'm like yeah i hate i think i can feel it in my brain so yeah that being said we do a lot on social media, so guys keep watching the vids and shit like that. I think that's the most interesting thing about being alive right now is that all the things we do feel like they're contributing to something that's like hurting us as a species, but it feels like there's no other option. But at least we're trying to provide laughs. I mean, at the end of the day, I think that will always be good.

But, yeah, it's, and not really at the expense of others. Oh, no. Is it true? Yeah. I guess, like, if we're, like, just making fun of people. That's worse. Yeah, but I, you know, I think to, when we get AGI and there we reach a kind of singularity, I think the next religion is going to be that we are part of a simulation already. And because if a singularity can happen once, that means to me it's already happened.

And we're just a permutation of that. So I think we'll all start kind of praying to a grand simulator and asking and thanking them for the, the version that they put us in. and I actually don't think that's too horrible like I think you still have a choice as to how you proceed through it as far as we know will Christianity survive by saying

that the god is the current grand simulator I don't know I would think that the new thing would supplant it totally but that might be my own bias I mean I already treat chat GPT like my bro I call it dude my chat GPT called me a legend dude yeah yeah it's awesome but you are chatchie

BT is what I'm saying. Yeah. You're just a version of it. Right. So where's the original human? Are you saying we're in a simulation? Yeah, I think we all are. So where's the source?

That's a good question. I mean, dude, if you go back to the Bible, like who created the original singularity? Where do we actually exist if we're in a simulation? You know when you're in the matrix, you get plugged into the matrix? Yeah. Where the body is? I don't even know if it would have to be something physical. So, okay.

Oh, so you think like, it's the idea of like non-dualism. Like, like we are one singular consciousness manifesting within itself. Yeah, or we're like just on some modem somewhere in a planet we don't even know. Like we're just ones and zeros. Oh, interesting. That's pretty wild. Oh, so we're not even human. We are AI.

Yeah, I think so. Whoa. Interesting. We're carbon pretending to be something judging Silicon for pretending to be something else. That is kind of like what a lot of Eastern religions say in a sense. Not with the ones and zeros, but like the idea of non-dualism is like a singular consciousness. Should we call this finance guy? Yeah, let's ask him about this, dude.

And how he can make bank. So we're going to do one last segment for the episode. We're going to call Mr. Capital. He's our wizard for all things, money, finance, monetary policy. He's going to give us some insight on some of the big current events. Grateful for his time. I'm going to drive around quiet, think about that philosophy stuff. What up, Mr. Capitol?

What's going on, guys? Just chilling here to you, grateful for the time. How you been, dude? Didn't get it. What about you? Dude, just hanging in there. You know, since we last spoke, I've read a Tony Robbins book on finance, and this guy, Ramit's book on finance, so not to brag. What you learned?

what would you learn just about personal finance retirement accounts the Roth the Roth IRA 4 1k stuff like that you know thanks I love the Roth IRA I talked to my accountant I recently got an accountant what up this is Strider by the way what up dude and he goes hey none of your Roth IRA money is invested in anything oh I did that recently too you idiot yeah pretty he said it in a nice way is like so you should probably you know put put in SMP 500 or something yeah yeah okay good call maybe the Ray Dalio all weather sitting there doing nothing it wasn't even that much well let's piggyback off that and let's do a speed run through some big uh situations you just mentioned Ray Dalio he's been talking about the federal debt for a while apparently he's moving his assets around so he's more liquid so he doesn't get hammered if there's kind of a default on the debt where do you stand on the federal debt and what do you think our course out of it is mr capital uh well the the business the the u.s government's

structurally insolvent right now right our interest expense alone is going to be one of our top expenditures or top three expenditures this year and the next two years of rates don't drop meaningfully it's going to be our number one expenditures so above what we spend on defense above what we spend on health care. And in the country, we certainly have a spending problem. We don't have a revenue problem. So if you were able to cut the spending by 3% per annum over the next four years and take that back to where we were at the pre-COVID trends,

I don't think anybody in 2019 was saying the U.S. government was very frugal and we weren't spending enough money. But we basically took this step function higher during the pandemic, and we've never retreated. So, you know, all these people, that are calling for higher taxes, higher taxes don't almost ever materialize an actual higher revenue for the government. And so that's one of the big things. You have to find religion on spending cuts. Unfortunately, it seems to be a bipartisan issue to continue to spend. So I don't

know that you're going to have much buy-in from either side of the political aisle on that. The second is much more off the cuff, which I don't, you know, subscribe to, but it's being thrown out there by some people in the administration, namely, however. at Lutnik is that sure we have our revenue and we have our liabilities, but we also have this huge untapped balance sheet that are the assets of the U.S. government owns. And there are ways to monetize that, which we haven't done to date. Is that like national parks and stuff like that? National parks come to mind. I don't think they would look to sell off that land, but there's other land that the U.S. government owns that aren't as part of national parks

or some of the things they've done with this golden visa attempt. You know, monetize. assets the U.S. have at their disposal. But again, we're talking about trillions of dollars. I think that's very, very hard to do. And then the difficult thing with what you initially suggested is that we basically have to cut entitlements. So when you're talking about slashing government spending, that could be health care.

If you look at the entitlement and non-entitlement spending, you know, non-entitlement spending has grown just as fast, if not faster than entitlement spending. For most politicians, impediments are certainly a third rail issue, and I actually think you could get there without touching them. Stamping out waste, fraud, and abuse in the federal government is a huge thing.

There are bipartisan and non-governmental organizations that point to anywhere from $400 billion to a trillion dollars per year in fraud and abuse. Our government systems are littered with, like, inefficient just IT solutions. There's a government-sponsored IT, program called logging.gov, where if you try and get unemployment benefits or SNAP benefits or you're a business and you're subscribing for hardship loans in certain states, you use logging.gov. Right now it has like a 35% pass rate or off rate that that person is who they say they are,

which would be an objective failure in any private sector opportunity. There's a company called IDME, which is a private company that competes with them and does much better. But if you were to stamp that out, That's hundreds of billions of dollars right there without cutting a dollar of entitlements back to the and taxpayers. So I would start there. Which is kind of what Doge was doing. But I guess we just perceived Doge as being too politically motivated and being a bit reckless in their execution. I think that, you know, had Doge not been as public and Elon driven, they would have had a higher probability of success, right? You know, Bill Clinton tried a very similar effort to Doge.

and it worked quite well, right? That was the last time we had a balanced budget at the federal level, you know, in an annual basis we actually did in June because of one-off tariff revenue here. But, yeah, we've had Doge efforts in the past. These used to be bipartisan issues that you couldn't spend much more than you make, but for some reason now, the pendulum has swum the other way.

And then so in the news right now is that Trump is weighing the U.S. getting a 10% stake in Intel. They're like one of the only domestic shops in town that can design the chips and make chips. Do you think that is something we have to do because it's such a critical industry? And where does that leave us in terms of a free market ideology if the government's going to intervene on things like that

in steel? Yeah. So if you think about precedent opportunities where the U.S. government has gotten involved with private businesses, they're few and far between, right? Like the TARP program during the Great Financial Crisis was the most prominent example of that where the government took stakes in Citibank and AIG and Bank of America.

That ended up being quite profitable for the government, but that was a period of acute distress. They did the same thing with the auto industry, right? So they took, you know, majority stakes in businesses like GM and Chrysler. That did not work out as profitably for the government, but, you know, those businesses still exist so you can say they did their job there. They've done these things in periods of war, like in World War II and the course. Cold War. That was mostly redirecting manufacturing supply to wartime needs. So the Intel example is certainly novel. If you think about where the world is going in terms of these AI native

capabilities, chips are like the atomic unit of value there, and 90% of advanced chips are made in Taiwan, right? So the whole world has a supply chain bottleneck there. Taiwan, of course, riddled with geopolitical consequences given the proximity in history with China. But there's also just like natural disaster implications, like Taiwan is not a large country. And so having, you know, as we think about re-domestication of supply chains, the pandemic showed the importance of that across all industries. Semis is critically important there. Intel has fallen, you know, far and behind everybody else. Yeah, they didn't do AI chips and they didn't do cell phone. ship. So they were just like, we're going to help desktops, I guess.

Yeah, you know, these things are, if you miss a cycle and a semiconductor era, like, you can fall greatly behind. And so you look at the difference between Nvidia and AMD and Intel over the past two decades. That just tells the story there. So Intel is interesting because they've been out to build this fad at Ohio. They've already gotten tax dollars for that. And if believe that the next Cold War is one for the super intelligence. You know, what do you want to do? You want to make sure you have that supply chain vertically integrated. So, Nvidia is one of the core components of that with the GPU. That's a U.S. domiciled company. You have the rare earth and materials which largely reside in China. And you need the advanced semiconductor manufacturing,

which because of TSM still largely resides in China, even if TSM is committed to building a fab here. So I think it makes sense to try and have strategic redundancies and onshore capabilities whether or not the U.S. should be taking an equity stake in that, you know, I don't have strong views on. If we're going to give taxpayer grants to Intel to manufacture in Ohio, should taxpayer benefit, should taxpayers benefit if there's upside equity appreciation? I think so. I think getting warrants for something like that as opposed to incremental capital outlays makes more sense. And so, you know, so is what you just said. suggested a separate plan than what the Trump administration is proposing? Like, is part of their 10% stake giving resources back to taxpayers, or is that something that you think would be a better alternative? So if you think about what happened in TARP, right, during the GFC, the Treasury invested over $400 billion into banks and insurers. The Treasury, you know, sold all of those within five years.

So by 2014, they were completely out of all those assets, and they generated about $20 billion in profits from the banks alone. The insurers, they sold in a bunch of different tranches, so it's a little bit less clear. But nonetheless, that effectively becomes a taxpayer surplus, right? That's $20 billion. The taxpayers didn't have to pay that the government ultimately receives his revenue. If Intel works, if this fab works, then Intel can meaningfully tap into the T-E-Rexam. TSM market and become one of the global suppliers of advanced semiconductor manufacturing, the Intel stock price will go up a lot, right?

Like today, TSM is a trillion-dollar company. Today, Intel is still a, what is Intel? Intel's a $110 billion company. So if that capital, say, you know, just for simplicity purposes, let's say Intel becomes a trillion-dollar company, that's 10x, and the government had invested $10 billion in that taxpayer should be the beneficiary of those $100 billion. So if all you're doing is giving Intel a tax subsidy, then the U.S. government does not participate in that equity participation.

So I'm all for the U.S. government participating in equity appreciation if they're the reason why that these companies succeed or part of the reason why. What I'm not for is the U.S. government picking winners and losers. So say you had a bunch of startups or Nvidia or AMD. thought that this could be a core competency of theirs or TSMC right sort of like the China national champion model yeah well yeah exactly you don't want to be co-opted by the federal government because if they're in the business of picking winners and losers everyone's a loser yeah and then where do you lean on how this deal seems to be

real quick how do you see it shaking out do you think it's more towards the winner and loser model or more towards the fair compensation for equity put in I think it's more towards the latter. Like, if you listen to Howard Lutnik, who's been the tip of the spear, I mean, he's saying now that they're in the process of trying to rework the grants that were previously approved into equity. And it's non-voting equity, you know, which means the government doesn't have any actual control of rental decision. They're just making sure they participate in the outside. Then just more recently this week, SoftBank is committed to investing $2 billion into Intel. And they're Japanese, right? They're Nikai.

what was that they're Japanese they're Nikai they're Japanese yeah so Masiote son was at the White House you know promising to invest hundreds of billions of dollars

in the U.S. post the Trump win and so this is another example of that and so I think I think that's where it ultimately shakes out I don't think they're going to be in the business of picking winners and losers I think they're in the business of picking

you know pro-America companies that are building here that are aligned with the current administration of agenda And more importantly, if you set these things up structurally the right way, these things have to transverse across administrations. Do you trust all these numbers that companies have been committing to America and to the Trump administration where Apple's like, oh, we're going to invest $500 billion? And then softbanks like we're going to do $100 billion. Is there a contractual obligation? Are they also just doing that to kind of get in the good graces of the admin?

Yeah, there's certainly no contractual obligation. I think I would be much more concerned if there were contractual obligation. tit-for-tat with the federal government. I think those people are doing it for PR purposes to try and get on the good side of the administration. Yeah, it's a great headline. And it creates good headlines, you know, for them. But there's no contractual obligation.

I think these will all be a fraction of the headline numbers when it's all said and done. Yeah. And then what do you think about the government now giving approval to NVIDIA to sell the second-level GPs to China? Yeah. Strider. These assets were ending up in China.

Through Singapore, right? Like back channels? And so Singapore was a huge market. It would have been a meaningful percentage of the Singaporean GDP if you looked at just all the Nvidia chips sales through there. And Nvidia has made it razor clear. There's no backdoor in Nvidia chips. There's no way to track these chips.

And so it was happening. I think that if you look at the innovation that's come out of China in the open source movement, that's probably what tipped the, the Trump administration's hand is that the best open source models in the world are coming out of China. And, you know, innovation is sort of the mother of all necessity. When you were cutting them off from access to the most performant chips, they had to innovate in different ways. So if you look at a company like Deepseek, what they did was much lower level innovation. They still

distilled, you know, the large frontier models from open AI. And so it wasn't like a novel breakthrough, you know, from first principles. But nonetheless, they built the most performing an open source model in the world. And that was the CEO's argument from Navidio was that we can get them hooked on our chips, which is better for America long term. You get them caught in on the entire NVIDIA ecosystem, which is the chips,

the Kuda programming language, and then it's all replicable. So Huawei doesn't start to build competitive chips to NVIDIA that they can then sell to India and Russia and different countries in the Middle East. And now all of a sudden you have a bipolar dependency on chips. is Nvidia being the global chip power in the same way that TSMC is for advanced semiconductor functionality or ASML is for lithography, you know, puts the U.S. in a dominant position.

So you want to maintain, you know, that strategic advantage if you can. So long with your way to say, you know, it certainly makes them geopolitical sense. And, you know, I tend to favor free trade more than anything else. I think we're maxing out our capacity to digest. what do you think is the best if you were encouraging a teenager right now to pursue a certain industry which one do you think is going to be most resilient to

AI displacement? I wouldn't think about it that way. I would think about which ways you can get superpowers from AI because if you're just trying to be something that's resistant to it you're fighting yesterday's battle and so AI is you need into service

spend it's even to software spend. It's eating into labor spend. I mean, the jobs that are least affected today are what are historically thought of as blue-collar jobs, but over the next decade or two, that's going to start to get impacted as we have advanced robotics. If you look at what's going on in China, the humanoid robots that they have are incredibly impressive. The factories are all automated end-to-end, so I think that's just a moment in time before it comes here. But figure out ways in which you could use AI to your advantage around its superpowers, which I think are around personalization, agency, curation, and memory,

in the same way that the last era was around mobile, local, social. And so, yeah, I think that's a, I think that's right. And I think a lot of people are resistant to it because it makes them sad because it feels dehumanizing and it feels like we're separated from where we got our meaning. So, but to me, that's not the move to stay away from it, because then the people who do understand it and do use it will just create a greater golf between you and them in terms of productivity and success. So how do you make a strong case to working class people as to why they, how do you put in in layman's terms that you need to use AI so that you don't get left behind?

I mean, it's one of those things where AI is not going to take your job. It's going to be someone using AI that's going to take your job. Right. And so anything that you do, you could use one of these, you know, large language models, parry pursuit next to you and just see. So if you're in the creative field and you use ChatGBTGBT or Claude for inspiration or you use VLO from Google for video creation, you can just see how rapidly you can iterate. There are businesses like Kalshi that are building, you know, Super Bowl quality advertisements for $5,000 at a pop and actually using them during the NBA finals and not using a third-party agency.

The ability to iterate on just A-B testing at massive scale because of these tools has like profound implications on a bunch of different industries and so the biggest thing you can do is just use them and then where would you tell people to invest right now is that something you can give away you know I think that we are in every technology revolution there's always this height part trough of dissolution and then the companies come out of the back end so when people think about the dot com boom and bust you know pets dot com website and those types of companies come top of mind the overbuilded of fiber optic tables and dark fiber

out of mind, but Google and Amazon came out of that of the mobile revolution, you had Facebook, you know, in between those, and VDIA kind of spend both of those generations. You're going to see the same thing happen here, so Open AI and Anthropic and Cursor and WinSurf and

all these fuzzy AI startups are the poster children right now. There will be a trough of dissolution and there will be an overbuild of CAPX when you're spending hundreds of billions of dollars, not trillions of dollars on these large data centers. You know, at some point, these things aren't going to continue to scale, but it's, you know, what is finding really strong consumer adoption product market fit

and what's finding really strong enterprise adoption and product market fit? What businesses are, you know, have massive tailwinds related to that. I think energy is one of the things that, you know, regardless of who's a winner or not, if we are now democratizing access to intelligence and the cost of intelligence, asymptote, or it's the cost of compute, the most important bottleneck in the world is energy and like the U.S. is structurally short energy. And so those markets are quite interesting. Businesses that have high labor spend that can benefit from automation are quite interesting. And then businesses that have top brands. And so if AI is going to be this recursive loop that enables curation and agency at the ultimate scale, who has

the brand, who has the distribution, who has the first party engagement, those are all types of things that I'd look at. Yeah. I mean, China's crushing us. They're building energy at what, like six times at the pace of the United States, and now they have a nuclear program that isn't reliant on uranium enrichment. Is that the space you think the U.S. should go, or are you open to any energy inputs? Open to any energy inputs.

I mean, solar is something that we've had fits and starts with in the U.S., but if you look at what's going on in Texas, it's sort of, you know, the best sandbox for what the U.S. can become, because they have their own regulatory body there called ERCOT, which is deregulated, which is why Texas leads the U.S. and renewable energy usage. Solar combined with at-home batteries is a very interesting solution where you could both charge and discharge to the grid. If you were to reconstruct the U.S. energy grid today, you would never have these centralized origination points that are transmitted over poles and lines,

hundreds of miles. You would have things on the edges, you'd have smart devices, you'd have things that could charge the grid during periods of low volatility and discharge from the grid during periods of high volatility. You'd have home-by-home algorithms based on the usage. So if I get home every day at 5 p.m., and I crank everything until 10 p.m. And then I'm asleep, and then I'm gone between 8 to 5. My power usage would be very different than somebody that was from home.

But then all the experimental technology that we have to do on nuclear, on fusion, on fission, I think is also important in an area that we need to be. investing in because, you know, electricity is going to be the biggest bottleneck. And because the U.S. has gotten so much more efficient with smart devices over the past decade and a half, our electricity demand has been stagnant from basically 2010 until today. And now that's going to hockey stick something that's gone up at 2% per annum for the better part of the past, you know, 50 years is probably going to grow at 8, 10, 12%. And the grid just can't handle that load.

So businesses that are touching that are certainly very interesting. all right dude sick you guys got anything no that was great dude why is everyone so afraid of China all these dudes are so afraid of China

I'm like are they just kind of doing their own thing and we're not even going to like it sounds like they just got everything handled you know they're they're ahead of us like we just got to do our thing and how do we do like you mentioned the AI and stuff like if we invest like in education and research and development here. And I guess you said Taiwan had all these like raw minerals and that's why they make chips better than us.

But like do they have the best chip scientists? Are they like smarter dudes in the U.S.? Are they just training better? Are people just smarter? Are there better education, better resources and development or something we can do on that end? Education certainly needs to be revamped here. And you look around the world and the pockets of the world where you have people, you

have people that have the most advanced degrees in STEM, you know, tend to have some of the most sophisticated domestic defense and AI programs, right? Those two things are intertwined. The people who are leading this AI revolution tend to be PhDs and things like theoretical physics and math. So people don't spend a lot of time in STEM. That's China, that's Russia, you know, geopolitical adversaries for the U.S. for a variety of reasons. The U.S. still has the best system in the world of capitalism. And, you know, we have the biggest businesses in the world that have been created here. And the most talented people around the world like to come here to create businesses here because of that flywheel. If you could be Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg

or Jensen Huang or your Jack Ma at Alibaba and you built, you know, one of the best businesses in the world and the government made you disappear for four years, you'd much prefer the former than the latter. Yeah. And we'll do that, though, like it does feel like in America we use China as a which has kind of accelerated, like, fascistic impulses from the current admin. Like, they're a useful foil. But China, in terms of the arrangements that they create with other countries, is more predatory in their agreements, right, than the United States, by and large. For sure.

If you think about the core tenets of the U.S. China, you know, conflict, one, it's the first viable, you know, competitor we've had since the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Two, if you look at China, you know, they engage in highly unfair trade practices around IP theft, around force tech transfers, around subsidies for cover, you know, for different companies around creating, you know, winner. Or they'll own all your ports. And then, you know, if you look at what they've done, you know, from a military perspective, you know, Taiwan is certainly a focus on this because of the strategic importance globally. they've been aggressive in the Southeast China Sea and they engage in corporate espionage and government-sponsored cyber attacks.

So like China and North Korea state actors are all over, all of our core IT systems and this is like an intentional, you know, modern warfare. So it is, you know, it is a cold war in the sense that we don't have boots on the ground against each other but in the digital realm it is very much a hot war. And so that's why, you know, they're an adversary. Some of it is a nice foil,

but some of it is just the reality of what they're doing on the ground, you know, with companies digitally. And then comparing the quality of life, like, their middle class is booming. But in terms of personal rights, I mean, we're granted a lot more latitude in terms of criticizing the government and having a full array of, you know, personal preferences, whether they be religious or anything in that realm. For sure. I mean, also just like look at the GDP per capita, right? The average GDP per capita in the U.S. is now approaching $90,000 in China. That's $13,000. So it's growing. It's growing around a lower base. If you think about it on like a purchase parity, you know, adjustment basis, it's still probably three to four X as much in the U.S. And so, you know, people can talk about the growth of the Chinese middle class. And that's because it went from a largely, you know, agrarian economy 30 years ago. to one that's modernized, but, you know, if anybody has issues here, live in China and look at the difference, I think, yeah, people would much prefer the U.S. way or life where most people would.

Dude, I would just love to have you. I know you're a Mr. Capital, so you're obviously successful, but if business ever gets slow, you just start a business called Dominate My Dad, and you just come to Thanksgiving with me and just dominate all my dad's financial opinions, dude. Be so sick. He's like, listen to what my boys got to say, dude, what up? be so nice. You can pencil me

at next Thanksgiving. Dude, thank you, Mr. Capital. I need you, dude. This was amazing. I think I learned more right now than in college, dude. I just hope I retain it all.

Jet? I'm just taking it in. All right, Mr. Capitol, we'll let you jump. Dude, we love you, dog. Thank you for calling in and giving us that time. We know you're very busy. All right, guys.

Talk soon. Dude, to the man, late. dude that was great i was expecting him to like just give quick a lot of times you talked like a finance guy or something like that it's just quick nothing in depth do this they like put dude i feel like he answered everything so in depth yeah i always message him anytime anything goes down and get his breakdown it's a smart call is he texts like that yeah he's very thorough like paragraphs like that i'll text him mason and a buddy i know who worked for uh fox news actually oh really They'll give me the other side.

Yeah. Dude. I guess, yeah, dude, we're in a great chip war, bro. We're not in the cold war. We're in the chip war, I guess. And he thinks it's more energy than chips. Yeah, he did say that with the battery. I guess I've talked to, um,

my brother-in-law was in solar and he always said, whoever can create a battery because it's so hard to store that tech. Like say you use solar, store it, recharge it. Like, that is difficult to create. Like, it's a hard technology to make. Someone can do that. Like, that'll be a game changer. And we'll protect the grid because you could get hackers fucking hacking, dude, turn off the grid, dude, in the middle of you cranking hog and just, you know, you don't even bust.

And then you get exploded from a new Oppenheimer style. Can mess up our quality of life big time. Dude, I'm just trying to chill, dude. That was interesting as fuck, dude. I'm going to think about that. It's a lot. Were you fired up on that? You had good-ass questions.

I was fired up. Yeah, there was more stuff I wanted to ask, but I felt like we were getting to a density point that was going to. to sink us so I was like we we got to do them in doses amen yeah capital there's just something about money talk there I just get this face it's just it just oh it's just can be brutal and it's like probably important it's like about like I don't know why I hate I just have such an aversion to it's like yeah you need to invest you need to secure your future it's important like it's important like it makes the world go around right money but i just just bums me out i could i could talk about you know anything else all day yeah i think i think we should talk about money more it's

funny to me that it like i almost think rich people made it that it's rude to talk about money so they could keep controlling it'd be the only ones who know how it works esoteric knowledge yeah exactly and then there's a barrier of entry and people are like afraid of it or they think it's like mean to to speak candidly about it but I'm like who does that benefit only benefits the people who have it and dude they used terms like he was saying tarp I thought he was saying tart for a long time yes on Jake type and tart on Google I was on the same page bro I didn't even I was like oh yeah thank you for looking that up I'm like dude just call it what it is I know it's faster to say tart many people talk fast too dude do you hear this guy go slow down slow down well that's an argument

right you just overwhelm people with the what is it argumentum verbosium where you just hit someone with so much information that they're brain spent are you guys watching those jubilee debate shows where it's like one on 20 it's interesting and then dude it's interesting they're very popular i'm not a huge fan but they're very very popular and he could throw in like a straw man in the argument where it's not even doesn't have any he could you just bring up chimes a straw man in any argument just make me do that and then spruel but this guy seems like he's on our good got to have in our corner dude on the squad dude oh last thing about dude this political guy who i follow who is a conservative guy

I got really not really mad but I won't blast him but he reposted a comment I left referencing another thing and he reposted me to set me up like I was basically this what wait say it again sir this like Republican account that I follow on IG

he was talking about Trump nationalizing the police force in D.C. And one of the comments was like we should do this across the country like that's what they did in El Salvador and helped a lot and I was responding to that comment and I was like crime I know we're not reporting

according it accurately all the time there's a lot of conversation around it but violent crime is down like over a 30 year trend do you really think we're like el salvador and he reposted that out of context like i was talking about dc and so that people would think i was like a dumb liberal that brought up al salvador for like no reason and all this stuff on a story yeah on a story and i was like hey are you gonna like put the context like as to what i was responding to he's like no i don't think it's necessary and i was like dude and i was like dude like that's fine like he's like i like i'm like i'm I don't think you're going to get much blowback. I was like, dude, I can take it.

But like, you're purporting to be a journalist and you're, I'm telling you this is out of context. You're admitting you know it's out of context and you're not shifting any of the details around it. And then he goes, dude, like, our cities are burning down. Like, he started to make another argument. His agenda. I was like, that's not what I'm talking about. And then he goes, like, the left.

And he's not wrong. Like, I've misrepresented, like, you know, in prank videos or stuff that they're editing is a thing. But I don't think anyone's perfect from either side. But I was like, he's like, but the left like lies. I'm like, dude, you're lying right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, do you know?

And then we just. Did you get messages from it? Yeah, we were, no, I didn't even get any blowback. So it was, it was not dramatic at all. But I thought it was interesting where I was like, I will be thinking about this when I watch your stuff now, man, that I know you. So he, so he, did he screenshot your comment? Yeah. Interesting.

And didn't put it like I was referencing this other guy who had brought up all these other things. He was talking about nationalizing. The guy would say nationalized the police across the country. Right. And I was like, whoa, like, why would you do? And then he just put it like I was talking about D.C. Interesting. Yeah, like, he was writing an essay in college.

He would get a minus, like, he'd go from a, if he wrote a great essay, he'd go from A minus to a B plus because the teacher would be like, well, you took that out of context. But then again, you did have a thesis for your paper, so I'm not going to give you an F, but I see what you're doing. It was effective for the, like, series of posts he was doing. Yeah, his concrete detail was not concrete. But I was like, and I told him, and then he was just like, I'm good with it. That's hilarious.

Dude. Would you rather go to a Vegas day pool party with our freaking boy? Trevor, would you go with our freaking boy, Mr. Capital, dude? If you were rolling, Mr. Capital's a physical, strong guy. Oh, really? He was like the best scrapper out of all the, from the crew he was with. Yeah, he's a tough guy. This is the coolest guy.

He's the man. Yeah, he's awesome. If you were rolling with him and Trevor, you got a good team. You got a good squad, yeah. We got to get these guys to Vegas. We got to get these boys to Zed. Yeah, we should be recruiting dudes to come to Vegas with us. Maybe you should have Mr. Capital.

You should fly out, man. Come out on Saturday. Come out on Saturday. Come to the pool, bro. Pool party? Pool's open, dude. You should have Mr. Capital. I mentioned this at the kid's birthday.

I think we should come out. Yeah. Mr. Cap, you should have Mr. Capitol talk to Zed while you usher in 15 dudes. dude honestly talked to him about the chip war 1537 year old he won't notice he's gonna be like here's the thing about the he's like

he's like he's like here tells that about chips and he's like so here's the thing about chips and then you just have 30 dudes well you know what he needs to retain that information you need a Zed beat and then you need Mr. Capital talking

like that Boslerman sunscreen song and it just needs to be like here's a thing about the chips the chips the chips oh that's a good someone should AI that dude someone should put everything he was saying behind a beat All of take everything he said on each answer

You know don't don't conflate because we talked about a lot of topics Have JTQ up a question And then the song is boom And then your questions in the hook To put it to a Zed style beat That would be a sick AI That's real sharp He might already know about all that stuff

It's very much a hot war digitally Digitly It's very much a hot war Very much a hot war Digitigily Digit Digit Dude dude

I like the way you say that dude oh dude we should talk to you before we jump about the uh reenactment fast and furious and you guys did it with one of the actors from fast and furious dude yes bro chat his name's chad yeah he's the chad limberg he's the man dude he dude we didn't know what it was going to be like pranking we'd like he's an actor you're directing i thought it was going to be a heavy lift day for you being like okay chad stand like you know he might be on set like is he hip to like doing like more real life stuff yeah dude he was just charging he's like we got to get this guy We got to get, here we go,

but he would hop into scenes. It was his idea to do the prayer thing. Yeah. Great idea. He's such a nice guy. He's so excited to do it. And he was so enthusiastic. It was,

he's a really great guy. And a really good actor. Oh, he's such a good actor, yeah. Like right away, I was like, it popped. I was like,

oh, baby, go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, the way he delivers the line in the end of the YouTube video. Yeah. He was just fired. He was one of the best deliveries of that line I've ever heard.

that was fun that was a great that was a fun day dude that was fun who's your dream that was like the greatest but if we could if you could pick any movie any actor would it oh would it be then oh dude i mean bin coming in i yeah i was thinking about i was imagining in that one where the guy's talking about how many cars and motorcycles he has if vin just popped in the screaming like so what do you say basically the line you dropped so what do you say you just going around everyone's garage checking out everyone's shit one garage

at a time if they if that happened that would just I would die after that I'd be like that's dude what if we went to like a like a pawn shop and we had Javier Bardem as Anton Chigore looking at rare coins

and we're all in those weird wigs do you want to do your Javier Bartum real quick I'd like to do this for you. Let me see this rare coin. Where's this Civil War coin? Take it out, how much is it the value that? This is not just another flip it. Flip the coin.

Whatever game? Every day is a game we are playing. I forget the dialogue from that scene. Who should he like besides Brolin, dude? I just like that he likes it on Ryan Reynolds. I think Ryan Reynolds is very funny the way he captures the imagination of a middle school student. in saying this wear words.

He's loving after he says every line of dialogue smiling, winking, breaking the forth in such a genius way. I love Josh Brunin, his cell phone company. I'm calling my family, using calling my family in Spain,

calling my family, calling people from set using Ryan Reynolds' cell phone company. I even have him doing my voicemail and then leave a message. Ryan Reynolds's voice. Dude, Chad, what about your your engagement photos were hot. Oh yeah, I'm about to, I'm figuring out which to post.

Let's look right now. Yeah, and it was kind of like a James Bond motif. Yeah, it was all Kennedy's ideas. So I put up an Instagram story. I'm like, does anyone have like a vintage Porsche, vintage car? And we found a Porsche. Shout to that Porsche girl in Newport. Nice.

And then Tony, Tony, Tony, yeah, Tony Wodagh. Well, her boyfriend brought it over. That makes it nice. Good guy Lee. And then Tony Wodark. I think that I said his last time. He worked at Hurley. You guys remember when we went to Hurley?

Yeah, he was awesome. He's the photographer. Oh, yeah. He is a wedding photographer, so he shot the photos. So it was really cool. And it was a great being in Laguna. Hurry up and show me the photos. Oh, we just by the co-vonne.

I want to see the photos of you and your fiancé are right now. Show me then. Yeah, so. When we look at what's happening in the country, in art, we have to understand that Reisos have to be made. We have to pick things that look good, that make your bride look good. That's a good Yuval Noah. That's a Yuval Noah.

That sounds like educated. Yeah, she, um... AI will come in and it will change the human priority in the hierarchy of existence. We have to be ready, but we solve problems that aren't the real problems. We solve the problems that manifest more problems. That is the decay. That's a great way. That voice, I trust, like, talking about the highest things in society and everything.

But, like, if I'm behind you at Chipotle and you're ordering, I'm like, oh, I'm in trouble. We must come together and band together to become man. And yes, it is capitalism, but what are we doing for the people that make the system? And the guys like, what is the new honey ranch that you have? Can I get a sample of it? Oh, what a disaster. That's true. I'm there all day.

Do you know Heisenberg was 23? when he discovered the uncertainty principle. Fuck. Are we ever going to discover something in the quantum mechanics room? I should be euthanized. I'm wasting air at this point. It's a good name for your next special. That's true.

Very George Carlin. Here's something I've been thinking about. I think, you know, on show lineups, well, it just occurred to me that I share the same name as the lead singer, Nickelback. Whoa, fuck, you do? Yeah. And it's on show lineups or anything. People sometimes think it's Chad Kroger. Oh.

So I think, I think I'm going to just go as Chad. Oh. Whoa. Just Chad. And then maybe he's the last name Alan and more professional. You've grappled with this before. Yeah. And I asked the Luke's about it. And I was like, because this is going to be a problem. What if you take your wife's last name? Let's say I have a special Yeah It says Chad, like that's just confusing Yeah

I think either Chad or Chad Allen You know what Can you put something in Your one man show So incredible I think it's gonna land on one of those streamers Oh thank you should I have a lot of confidence in that

Could you put something in there about like Like almost would you call it From Kroger to Chad or something like do you need to build in something in your content that reforms your identity of the audience a little bit I mean I took Kroger off the Instagram last night oh whoa because most people just know me as Chad dude you should change your name to Freddie Kroger

I was with you when you went by Chad K for a night we were performing with Amir K I didn't even that did not I didn't know until years later that he he was like what the fuck I was in the green room and Chad goes All right, guys, I'm Chad Kane. He turns out of me, he's like, is he going by Chad Kay now?

Yeah, I didn't even think about it. I was like, I don't know, are there buffalo wings over there? J.D., then you hit him with, they go, I might go, I might go by a mere tea. Thanks, everybody, I'm a mere tea. Yeah, that would work. That's funny. Chad Kaye, a mere tea. Wait, so you're thinking just Chad?

Well, I think, I think professionally, like, for credit, maybe Chad Allen. Dude, you guys look great. Handsome couple, I'll tell you. So photogenic. I think that's great, dude. I mean, you're talking with the managers about it. Like, I remember one. Oh, very romantic.

Very good. Dude. That's a cool. I would maybe do that one, dude. Did Marco let you take that? Marko let you take a photo like that? I'm not good with this stuff. You're way better with this.

Marco had a finger in my ass. Oh, that's sexy. We got to put these. We're putting these in, dude. Dude. Yeah, many chat, what do you guys think about this? Kroger with a C. that's pretty bad this one's really good yeah i don't know i'm no i'm no actually these are her

selects i'm kind of like you dude you guys look fantastic i'm like you hell yeah gorgeous but i think i don't know i could i could just put a video be like i'm just going chat like share except with an a and i think that's sick i like when you sign your name you just sign it chat all caps just chat all caps yeah i think that's cool that's how you should do it chat all caps that sounds good to me yeah i i could either like announce or i could just sort of subtly just be chat just take away the crow ground stuff yeah every great goes by one name shack coby chad seal yeah just chat i don't know it's i know it's been a tough one to navigate but you know what dude the important thing genuinely is the work is good yeah people will figure out the rest of it

that Chad Epstein did. But I do think dropping the Kroger's, at this point, probably the move. I think it's too confusing. I think when people see it on the show, Flyer, when I see it, I'm like, it's confusing. Yeah. Just make a hard break. You got to do it at some point. Just rip the Band-Aid off.

Yeah, yeah. Dude, to quote your, your special, dude, using your quote to teach you something. Does it get you stoked? You see Jack Kroger. I don't know if it does. When I see the real Chad Kroger, I get stowed. That's true. But when you look at the poster, you want to see.

No. Yeah. It does not. There you have your answer. Yeah, he could get confused. He can see his name on a poster and pull up to the show. Yeah. People have showed up to shows and they've been like, I thought I was going to see like an acoustic rendition of rock star.

And I'm like, I tried. And Chad Kroger is from, from Knickleback's like, shit, I got to do comedy in Denver tonight. I know. I have to go to an hour. I know. I don't have an hour. He has showed up to. Yeah.

he's like he's like bro I'm supposed to be in Omaha why am I at the creek in the cave yeah yeah he's in Austin which where are you guys next I'm sure you announce that Oxnard sick oh so that'll be all of us yeah let's go

maybe some Dallas Cowboys will come out actually no that will be after training camp oh they play out of there that's where they do their training camp yeah Oxnard a lot of good big box stores up there dude that's closer Ventura a lot of indoor storage all right sick that was fun that was great i feel like i grew from that episode i hope the audience does as well i think you guys did

You're going deep, going deep. Go in deep. What are this? I'm going to take the time of tree.