Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 403 - DAVE KNEEBONE + NFL insider Calls in!

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Today we’re joined by a straight up comedy LEGEND, Dave Kneebone. The man pulling the strings behind some of the most iconic shows in TV history. He is the cofounder of Abso Lutely Productions and the Executive Producer of our Netflix show. Dave has worked with absolute titans like Eric Andre, Tim & Eric, and Nathan Fielder. He even used to be JT’s boss back in the Nathan For You days and the bros talk about some WILD moments on set together. This episode is full with insider tales, hilarious behind the scenes moments, and wisdom from one of the most influential guys in comedy/production who usually keeps it lowkey. We also talk about JT and Striders trip to vegas and how they got 13 DUDES into Zedd's DJ booth LOL. To end the episode we call Chudwin, our NFL insider, to get predictions for the NFL season.  We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! LOTS OF NEW DATES JUST ADDED.Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Thanks to our Sponsors:Brotege: The Best Skincare products for bros - get started today for just 10$ - Visit https://www.brotege.com/deep PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

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So this was a hard but necessary choice. We're moving it all to a different location. It will be easy to access. So just wait for that, guys. Yeah. But thank you. We appreciate the spirit. Yeah.

And we'll make an announcement from why it's live. But it should be up soon. We got a meeting with the guy on like Wednesday. We're just going through like making sure everything's legally. easy. Yeah. Let's start the show. Do it because it's purely a familiarity thing. One off, they say your name in there. Like, it's a stunt.

Yeah. Second time, they're like, maybe it's for real. And third time, you're going to be the mayor of fucking Burbank. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. And I, you know, because some of the people have a leg up too because they've had businesses running out of Burbank for a long time. So they have that name familiarity just. For good or ill, by the way.

Yeah. They have a work around a little bit where they can keep their name in front of people. Yeah. Even though they're technically not running at that moment. Right, right, right. Like this property for sale by. Exactly. It's the real estate guys.

And you loan for mayor. Yeah. Yeah. Call them real estate guys. You call them amoral capitalists. Whatever you want to call them. I don't know if they're what's right for the city. Yeah, maybe they overlap a little bit.

Yeah. Let's go. Are you wrong? Wait, wait, wait, wait, for real. Do we got last looks? How do I look? You look great. We're keeping this in, by the way, too, right?

Your nervousness is very charming. Keep this in the code. You know how this works. You know how this works. You know better than anyone. I don't know. Jake can give you some, uh, for real. Maybe we could jump right in.

I was, I watched Joe Schmo. Oh, God. You're in it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a weird. Was that real? Was that real? Was that real?

That was the control room. That wasn't a recreation or anything? No, man, that was all it. I was all real in the control room. That's the sort of thing where they hire you to run a show and you're like, as you're doing it suddenly it dawns in you in like week two of the rider's room. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then we'll cut to the control room. And then I'm in bed at night and I'm like, wait a minute.

I'm going to be on TV in this show that I'd just written but I didn't intend to be on but like to make the show work like you kind of have to see behind the scenes and then then it was just like panic yeah the producerial choices were part of the yeah yeah I mean if you're going to develop

the stakes like the jeopardy of like can will he figure it out you have to show the producers like pulling the strings behind the scenes kind of thing Truman Showlight so for those of you who don't know guys we're here with Dave Neibone one of the founders of absolutely productions.

They made such stuff as Tim and Eric Awesome show. Check it out with Steve Bruill. Nathan for you, Eric Andre. He was my boss for a long time. I was the PA there. I was an intern.

I worked locations for a little bit. Good worker. Thank you. That means a lot. And then he also produced a chat and I's television show on Netflix. Chat and JT. Go Deep.

What up? What up? And yeah, we're honored to have you here. That's a genuine pleasure to be here. three of my favorite people our first our first like four a into the development process and the pitching like process was a view and it was a whirlwind but I mean that first week of pitches

it was like a dream run dude I think about this actually the other day when you guys reached out about this I was like I hope I was trying to remember because my memory is all shit but I was trying to go back and think but I don't I don't think it can be overstated how you guys just ran the table in a way that in my 20 years now doing this at this level has never I've never seen it before and I was like I was trying to set all your expectations be like wow you know this could be a kind of a cold room and these people are pretty tough and they never buy anything but this was the only show genuinely that I've ever worked on where we sold it in the room like three times yeah people made offers to us people wanted a positive thing in that

moment and I think all those places were flushed with cash too so it was a perfect I could I've never seen it. I was like, don't get used to that. It doesn't actually go like that at a short time. And then the next day, we'd go into some other network. And they'd be like, we'd love to pick up your show. We're used to it now. Yeah.

Yeah. I've never seen anything like, genuinely. I've never seen anything like it. A lot of it was you too. I met with Roy, earlier today, who's someone who worked for you for years and is a huge fan of years. And he said, when Dave talks, I hear Obama's voice. Like, just a steadying leadership quality. That's very kind of him to say.

Because our first pitch was to Comedy Central and they threw us because they... Yeah, that was because we did them in character. Was I there? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. And they were like, I don't get it.

Well, yeah, I started talking and, you know, we were in character and the guy's like, wait, wait, wait, are you in character right now? And it was the first pitch. I was like, I don't... I was like, I just stayed in character. Yeah. And you could see his face.

he just goes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah look to not to to their credit like i i get this and if you've in if you're receiving a lot of pitches over the years you get people like coming in yeah putting on a show and it's like great great got it let's move on from that let's get to talk about this show like i like i see this thing i like it let's put that aside and let's actually talk about your idea how we can exploit it or develop yeah um so i think that but but you know when you're keyed up and you're in the pitch mode, the last thing you want is somebody to step on your vibe. And first pitch of your life, too.

Yeah. Was that your first pitch? A first pitch. Yeah. I remember after that one, we were kind of like, I remember like, Dave, how was that? You're like, oh, okay, yeah. That dude's kind of a schmold. It may that exact probably runs a big company.

And places have different energy, right? Like when you pitch to like FX, they're going to be tougher and not laugh as much. Or adult swim is going to be a little more challenging. Yeah, well, you'd be surprised. Like, some places that seem chill on the outside, like in the pitch room can kind of can be a little like a little stale sometimes. Right. But but but they're doing that on purpose, right?

Perhaps. Some people I think are tough in the room like by design because they don't, you know, look, these execs will hear six pitches a day sometimes more maybe like in a week. Think of how many times people are coming to them trying to sell them on their hot show. Like I think it can generate fatigue pretty good. Right. Yeah. And so I don't want to have to.

I mean, I'm projecting, but like. I wouldn't want to have to entertain this like, that was great. Thank you guys for you. At some point, at some point, shutting down. That fakeness will cost them some life force. Probably, probably. I know. Seriously.

And like every, but every, but to question, every place does have their own personality that I found over the years. Execs and teams of execs have different dynamics that you learn and become friendly with them and try to get past the transactional nature of the thing to be like, I know that you have to buy a show. I'm here to try to make the rest of your week. easier. Like, this is going to solve the problems that you have in your lineup or for your development slate or for your budget needs. Like, here's how we can, I can put this show in your

hands and it's going to work and everybody's going to feel that. That's what I think they want to hear sometimes. And I get it. And then how did you, I don't think I know anything about you from before, so do you mind if we dive into that a little bit? Sure, yeah, sure. Like, where'd you grow up and how did you get started in the industry? So I grew up in Indiana. Greenwood, Indiana, go Center Grove Trojans. Always. Always.

I was the third of four kids. And I was into, is this, what are you doing? Oh, for real. This is great. You guys have this. My hometown right there.

Crazy. I don't know. I was early on drawn to, I was going to be an actor, like everybody. I was going to be an actor. I was in theater in high school. I was in band.

And I was like, and so I went to college. I was going to be a theater major and I was a that was that lasted exactly one week I think yeah yeah this sucks theater games and everybody like chanting and moving in circles and doing movement I was like no I had the same experience in high school as I want to be an actor and I went to class I was like oh no yeah I want to be an actor I don't have to go to acting class exactly where did you go to college for it Indiana University oh nice Hoosiers all the way through until I was like yeah lived in Indiana and and then in college I

like had were you there for like the Jared Jeffries final four team No, no. He has very kind of you. No, I was there early. I was there for Calbert Cheney breaking the Big Ten scoring record against Michigan State. Oh, okay. At the time, like 92 to 90s. You ever meet Bobby Knight?

No, but one time I was on the university plane. I was on the speech team at Indiana. And we took the plane somewhere and it was the team plane. And in the back seat, in the back, like the, you know, the little holder for shit behind the seats was golf digest. and it was Bobby Knight's copy of Golf Digest, like address to him at Assembly Hall, and I stole it, and it's framed in my father's base. It's a good memento that's awesome. Yeah, that's a close they ever got to a meeting.

So you were in Speech Guy. So you do have some background with like formal speech. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. I mean, I've been, you know, it's, you know, it's, I've been a pretty good bullshit artist for most of my life, you know. Yeah.

And so not being afraid to being deaf. afraid of things like this where you're asking me about myself, but not being afraid to, like, speak on behalf of something like the show or other people that I think. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And then do I have this right? Did you work at McSweeney's? I did.

Yeah. So I was a producer. I was telling you producer this before we got started here. Like in Indiana, I started as a TV producer. Like that was my first job out of college. Like it's the only thing I've really ever done for the worst local TV talk show. local talk show like the shit that we'd make fun of on awesome show like cable access stuff I was my job I was making that stuff wow and I had got this point when I was like 26 years old I was like

this is the rest of my life I can see it I got to get out of here and so I went and applied to graduate school and got in frankly on a miracle shot to Stanford and moved out to California to go to grad school at Stanford. Yeah, it was cool. And then after that, I was like, I'm going to be a documentary filmmaker. And I did two years of documentary studies at Stanford and had a great time, met wonderful people. And immediately was like, this is the worst career choice I could have ever.

Yeah. Hey, what a dumb idea. And this was in 2001 or whatever, 2002. And so I moved to San Francisco and hooked up with McSweeney's because I was a fan of the publishing of Dave Eggers, the founder's writing. And he was like the seminal writer. of like gen x like when he was he was up there he was a he was a he was a big influence on me like his his memoir heartbreaking work of staggering jane was like a big book it was a game changer for

people yeah yeah it was like meta fiction and really broke a lot of like for my experience as a reader like broke a lot of like the broke the fourth wall and like was yeah you know self-aware and created a movement like people followed in his way yeah i mean i literally did and so I was in San Francisco. I went up there and knocked on the door at their non-proff and I was like, how can I help? And that was a pretty significant publishing company. So how far along did you get at McSweeney's? I was there.

I was kind of like their operations manager, which is basically like a producer of books, right, for like four or five years. And how was it working with authors? Incredible. It's great. They're still my friends. Like I'm working on a show with Glenn David Gold, who's the bestselling author, Carter Beets the Devil and a bunch of other great books. But I met him through McSweeney's.

And we're developing a show together, stage show. He's putting up at UCB next month. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the same as working with, like, comedians. Did you meet David Foster Wallace? No, no, regretfully. No, I didn't.

Who were some of the other cool authors you saw come through this? Oh, shit, man. Like, like, Salomon Rushdie came through the office one day. Like post-fatwa? During, like, well, like. Were you nervous? No, no. We were in the Mission District of San Francisco.

I was like, no, man. Was he with a pretty lady? He always seems to be with the pretty lady. My memory serves, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was. He was a baller. We were all like, what? I can't believe it.

Joyce Carol Oates, like, we did an awesome thing with her. I mean, Michael Chabon, who was, like, part of that scene, who's my favorite author. Yeah, he's great. He's fantastic. Such a good writer. Yeah. Adventures of Cavalier and Clay and stuff. Wonderboys, Moonglow.

Yeah. Yeah, he's good. Was he a cool guy? The most. His wife wrote a piece one time. Shoot. Sorry, I think they're paying my side. A bomb just wanted to settle like a bomb.

We were joking about coming downtown earlier and we're like, whoa. Dude, that sounded gnarly. Yeah, yeah. This is why I don't come downtown. It should be doing this in Burbank. It's quiet in Burbank, y'all. You know, it's good. I was too nervous.

It's too excited for this. Maybe it'll settle. Yeah, it'll help me relax. Yeah. By the way, I'm talking a shit ton here. We got to cut all this stuff out of it. No, it's great. I want to hear you guys.

I want to hear why. Get out of here. Why doesn't Strider want to go camping? Keep busy. Keep busy. Keep visiting. episodes ago and you're like not about backpacking camping let's go i will take you dude like i actually do need that but here's the thing dude we need to save it for the pot but i'm like

that just means you want me to be your bitch in the wilderness dude no no no no i'm i'll be your bitch bro i'll take you to cool places i'll show you some shit i'll get you on some fish dude it's gonna be great i'm like no we can't have it like that it does actually look amazing like everybody everybody kevin goes camping it looks go he's like on the eastern side of the sierras i'm like i don't even know what that means paradise man yeah paradise and it belongs to you and every California and it's right there yeah where do you go I go to the eastern sea I go up to Bishop and like that's my like daddy needs a little time away I'm gonna I get the dog in a truck and it sounds very this is what 50 year old men do but like yeah it's great and I go

up there and I drink a beer at the brew pub and I go fish and I either camp or backpack or stay in a cheap motel and that's awesome dig the mountains that's awesome that's pretty rad so you're mountain guy now beach guy we drive the truck do you still drive the the F-150 truck it's a Ranger but yeah Ranger, yeah. I am, when this is my wife and I are adamant about this, we're mountain folk and not beach folk, sorry. No, no.

Too much sand on there. Yeah, yeah. Too much sand. I like the truck, too, because you work in these kind of alternative, creative, artistic spaces, but then you pull in as the leader in a truck. Yeah. And you're like, we've got a rough and tumbled dude at the head. Yeah, it's idiotic.

It's so funny. I just had a, we're derailing everything now, but I had this meeting at UTA. They signed this guy who's an influencer, a very funny guy, but he's from the Midwest and I get a call from one of my great agents over there and he's like, Nebo, I want you to come in to meet

with this guy. He's like, you'll love him. He's from the Midwest. He drives a truck. And I was like literally the only description. I was like, what's his name? Like, is he a comedian? Is he a poet?

Like, what does he do? Yeah, yeah, you guys are the same. Like, all right. That's amazing, dude. We're recording right now, though, right, Jake? We'll just leave it and it'll just be a chaotic thing. It sounds like, Settling war.

Yeah. It does, yeah. It'll be interesting for the list. This is part of our prank on you, dude. Yeah, by the way, I thought, yeah, this is, you guys, it's a World War II motif. We wanted to feel like, so were you attracted to, so you were attracted to McSweeney's because of the, everything about it, like the writing, the writers that Dave supported. I was a fan of his writing and the way they approach publishing as, as an art, as a process of art

and not, and books, the publishing and the book and the care that went into the craft of making the book that they would send and would land on your doorstep nobody else was doing that for obvious reason not having been their business manager was like oh it's really

it's not a good way to make money right the profit margins were slim on it oh yeah yeah yeah but it created a real culture it was the cool it is the coolest and did you go straight from there to working with Tim and Eric more or less there was a year that I left McSweenies and I was living in San Francisco

because I knew I was gonna get back into producing like I wanted to I was my only real skill set that was being a media maker and for better or worse. And so I had my roommate and dear friend Matt Black we graduated from Stanford together, started a, with Mark Reinhardt, another Stanford grad friend of ours, started a production company there. And we did documentaries and we were in the scene

of like nonprofit development work in the city of San Francisco. And that was great. And then I met Cassie and she was like, it's too cold in San Francisco. Let's go to L.A. I was like, all right. Right around that same time, our best friends, Heidi and Trevor, were living in the mission a couple blocks away. We're hanging out.

One night, we had been playing FIFA and smoking weed or whatever. And then we were getting ready to go. And Trevor goes into his room and he turns on adult swim. And Tom Goes to the Mayor was on. And that was Tim and Eric's cartoon that predated awesome show. And I'd never seen it before. I don't know if you have a cable or whatever, but like I wasn't watching it. And I sat down on the couch with Trevor and hiding our friends.

and like immediately had a moment. It's the same way when I picked up heartbreaking work and I was leafing through the front notes of it, like a brainstem, like, phew. It's like, what this, that is great. I get it on a fundamental level. They're speaking something to me, like comedically but also aesthetically.

It's different and I want to like that shit is tight. And so as we were moving to L.A., like some not long later, some months later, Matt Black, my friend and roommate and business partner was like, hey, he was on the internet, looked up this thing, said, aren't these guys that you like that show that you were telling me about? And they were looking for a producer for their live action, for the pilot of awesome show. But they posted it on like mandy.com or something. You know what I mean? Like a gig website for the supervising producer job on their adult swim pilot. It was like,

feel like if being governor was in the classifieds or something yeah yeah yeah and so two things one is like oh i'm going to go apply for this job and also like what are they doing putting this job on this on the internet on mandy dot com and mugar john mugar saved that email and had it in our office years like my first clumsy outreach about trying to interview for this job with tim and eric and it was that's amazing most embarrassing so i came down and i met with them and we vibed like same way. Like, like, oh, all right. I get, how can I help? Same thing. It's like, how do I help elevate, amplify this thing that you guys are doing? Because I think it's fucking great. And so in both instances, you were following your taste more than you were following

opportunity. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Always. Like, totally. Like, I didn't, I'm not a brilliant business mind. Like, I just, I follow my gut in both cases. Like, I don't know. No one else was doing the thing that you're doing. And I think it's cool. And if there is a way to be of assistance and elevating that thing, I want it. And in that case, like, I could because I knew how to make, albeit small shitty ones, TV shows. But with their aesthetic, it was kind of perfect because they don't need a... Yeah, it turns out. It was like we were making essentially like spoof versions of the thing that I had been making professionally for some years,

which is like crappy local TV shows. I was like, I got this. I know how this goes. I know how to do this thing. Yeah. And already around them had been, had congealed this incredible team of talent already, but predated me, Ben Berman and Doug Lusenhoop and Jonathan Chrysle. Right.

And the editing is so big with Tim and Eric too, right? Crucial, crucial, yeah. Can you explain a little bit why? Because, well, first of all, we all come from this shared background of like media makers, DIY doing it at the basement of the local public library kind of approach to making TV shows. And so we had that shared language of video toaster, the effect, cheap, cheap, low-fi effects packages and the way editing looks right it had to be bad but on purpose not bad but like no but like clunky foregrounding the clumsiness of that level of production

yeah and in a way that's artful and and self-aware and like helps elevate the visual joke and that didn't end with a punchline necessarily uh no the whole thing is kind of a punchline and i don't i can't like dissect their comedy i still don't i still can't do what they i don't do what they do. Right. They're just, they're just brilliant at it. And obviously, from the very beginning, they had an aesthetic that was developed, comes inspired by them, but elevated and supported by Doug and Jonathan. And that aesthetic was kind of co-opted later by everybody. Everybody, right? Like those old spice ads and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was there a moment where you felt it go? Like, where you're like, oh, we've gone from doing this more niche thing to something that's

actually kind of rippling through the culture? Oh, man. that's a good question um i don't know like it kind of was a slow build i remember the excitement around like the first season premiering and being like people being like what the what is this you know that was exciting um and then later on down the road i think zach galafinacus got a deal to do some some advertising for uh absolute vodka and he came to us and being like i want to i want you guys to help me make these like viral they would they weren't viral they're supposed to go viral That was the intent, I think, these, like, web spots for this vodka. And we're like, man.

And so those really blew up in a way that our other stuff hadn't because, for the first time we had, like, a major brand out there being, look at this thing, rather than us being on the late night adult swim slot. Right. You know, memes didn't exist in the way they do now. So that kind of caught fire in a weird way. Dude, you've made so much stuff that has become, like, meme central, too. Yeah. I mean, like, it's pretty loud. I used one earlier today in our text thread with the Steve Bruill.

I literally used that all the time. I thought you did it on purpose because we were talking to day today. I just do it. I just like I just literally, that's the meme that I go to all the time. It's pretty much. That's funny. Yeah, those are. And then what was the first show that Tim and Eric produced that they weren't the creatives on?

That absolutely our company produced. Yeah, like at one point did you guys go from being just like we're doing Tim and Eric stuff to we're bringing in other people? I'll tell you exactly. I'll tell you exactly. It was John Benjamin has a van. Oh, nice. He's such a funny guy.

He's the best. He's the best. And Harper Steel, like, had been running the show at Funny or Die. And Funny or Die actually went and sold this idea at Comedy Central, but they didn't have enough kind of infrastructure going to, I think at the moment, to pull it off. And so Harper came and said, hey, do you think you guys could do this show? I was like, I had no reason to say. say yes, because we probably were not equipped to do the show.

Sure. Yeah, because you're going from scripted to soft scripted. I mean, it was all scripted. It was about the same as an awesome show with like improvisational, but scripted. And it was intended to be unscripted. It was supposed to be like Billy on the street, I think, when they first sold the idea. It was supposed to be him like literally with a microphone, vox popping people. But then we get the job.

and John and Leo Allen hole up in a room in Chinatown in New York and write 10 episodes of a scripted show and I was like, what is this? Like, well, this is the show. And I was like, wait a minute, I don't think, did you ask the network about this? Because I don't think this is the show

they thought they were going to get. And they were like, yes, go tell them. I was like, okay, okay. And they, yeah, this was, they did not expect a scripted show. But we turned it in, it was fucking hilarious. How did they take it when you grew up? Well, no.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, initially it was like confusion and be like, what, what is this? This is not what we thought we were going to get. But like Kent Alterman, who was the head dude there at that time, was, he was great and that he would give a lot of runway to artists and creatives to be like, I don't know, this is not you're playing, you're on, you're on thin ice, but keep going. And how do you approach that conversation? I've learned over the year.

Well, I did, we did this, we ended up in the same boat with Nathan for you with the same with Kent again later on. And Nathan was on John Benjamin as one of the supporting players. Yeah, he was an actor and I think he had pitched in on the writing probably and he's just the funniest guy. And part of that, like him and Leo and John

and we're really funny together and he had already been doing stuff in Canada quite at a high level and he'd written on Demetri Martin's show. But you took Nathan for you and what was that show initially supposed to be? It was going to be, it was I think the initial pitch from Nathan and Michael Coleman was and I'm probably getting this all wrong

so I don't know me or whatever in the sphere but was that it was a he was like a Ralph Nader it was called Nathan for you but it was like him fighting for the little guy against like consumer protection consumer advocate kind of stuff yeah

and so that's what we were going to go away and make and it was going to be like real like social experiment kind of stuff that he does but where he's the good guy and very quickly Michael and Nathan went away in the writer's room and we're like, it's not funny. It's not as funny. Nathan should be the heel or some version of that.

It's like it's funnier if he's not right. You know, if he's if he's concocting these shitty ideas, it's funnier. So then they went away and wrote this thing and I took it back. We go back to Comedy Central and I get called in and it's, it's Kent Alterman and Jim Sharp, the two men I dearly, deeply, deeply respect. and they were like knee bone what the fuck is this something that effect that's how I heard it I don't know I'm sure how they said it but they're like that's how it felt like oh God I'm in so much trouble and it was basically to be like who are you why are you

here and what are you doing with this show this is not what we asked for yeah um and then and then it was you know we had to kind of sing for us up a little bit be like I know but it's going to be really good it's going to be better it's going to be better um and so And to their credit, to their everlasting credit, they were like, all right, don't blow it. Don't make it. Didn't you say a big convincing factor was the poop flavored? Poop yogurt. Yeah.

So in the pilot, like one of the first things we, maybe the first thing we shot. One of the first things we shot was Nathan comes up with this idea for this yogurt company, like a yogurt shop, to that, that, you know, like, what is it? Like, you know, you got to get headlines, be buzzy. like you know friction and and like a novel thing to grab yeah like you got a like public awareness at any means is that's the road and so he's like you need something controversial uh so we went so it's like poop flavored yogurt and so the ethic on that show by the way i'm talking way too much no this is good the ethic on that show is something that i still live by which is never fake it if you're doing something like that a social experiment or something we talked about this

on your show it's like don't fake it like as much as possible at he towards the real thing. And if you don't get it, you don't get it, move on to the next idea. So for us, it was, all right, we're going to make a poop-flavored product for real. And we're going to put it in this yogurt shop in the valley, for real. How do we do it? And that was the greatest kind of school on how to make those kind of shows ever. And so we went and we found there's a company.

It turns out it's not that hard. Like there's a company who's like, we can make anything taste like anything. We're like, okay. Here. Like, we need something that tastes like. human feces and they were like no problem it's great so then we went the iterative process of like not that one not that one that but who knows what who was sampling these things so that ended up a joke in the show where he goes to a focus group and this one woman says like not to narrate the show back

but like and they taste like poop and Nathan's like what are you basing that yeah yeah exactly it's such a great moan it's such a great joke and because you didn't fake stuff on Nathan there was so many high-flying moments where it felt like the consequences could be really bad, not just for the show, but for the company. What was the moment or episode where your butthole was puckered the most? Oh, my God, I can't. I never, I swore I was never going to talk about this too publicly. Well, yeah, it would have been, it would have been, there were two. The one I'll talk about is dumb Starbucks, right? So the joke is, like, if you want to beat the best, you got to be the best or whatever. And so he was trying to help this coffee shop out by making up a, you know,

how do you, how do you achieve excellence in coffee and compete with, um, Starbucks, compete with Starbucks and it's to be Starbucks. And so using what he, we loosely call parody law, which is not actually a thing. Um, oh, it's not. No, I mean, look, satire is protected free speech, but like to a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and so what we did, we built a Starbucks, just straight up cloned a Starbucks restaurant, like a coffee. I was an intern on that episode. Were you? I remember helping set up.

I had no idea it was going to go super novel. Were you part of the people who had to go down and actually get coffee from like the grocery store and the donuts and stop and bring them back and just give it away. Like that was a craziest thing. That one was an immediate no. Like when they gave, when they turned it in, I was like, no, can't. But Nathan and Michael and those guys have a way, a way of being very compelling. And they were like, come on.

All right, well, look, it's worth a conversation. the conversation. So then we go to, I think we probably went to our attorney. No, we went to the network next, I think. We're like, come Starbucks. And they're like, no. And we're like, okay, well, shit. And then we went to our attorney and he was like, no, you can't do this. And so then we sat on it for a little bit. They pushed for it. I was like, I'm going to go, I'm going to fight for this idea as best I can. And so then it came, then we had a conversation with our attorney. It's like, okay, pretend we're doing it. say we've done it or we're going to do it what would you advise and he would be like well first off

don't but if you're gonna like make sure that you do it do it at 4 p.m. on a Friday do it at that so that when you get those scary legal letters from from you know from Starbucks or ever you have till Monday to resolve it and we're like good advice so we did that we launched it on a Friday not taking his advice out here you're safe And we expecting part of the narrative was that that Starbucks was going to hit us with a cease and desist. Like it was written in the script. Like, so we needed that. Like, we needed to actually get a threat of a lawsuit.

It was part of the creative. Terrible thing for a producer to actually consciously choose to do. Like idiotic. But we're like, it'll work. It'll work. We were really cocky. And so Friday passes and it starts to bubble around. People starts to tweet about it or whatever and starts to make news a little bit.

Saturday comes nothing Sunday comes nothing nothing from Starbucks nothing at all and I think it was like Saturday or Sunday evening I get a phone call from a very senior person at Viacom in their legal team being like is what is this is this you who are you what is this thing what are you doing and stop it and I was like so I immediately call everybody's like, oh, okay, okay, like, we got to shut it down. We got to shut it down. And Nathan's like, no, no, no, we got to wait. We don't have an out.

We don't have a button yet. We don't have an ending for this bit yet. It's like, we got to shut it down. And so, you know, it was the weekend. So we said, like, all right, well, we have tomorrow. And then we have to then, like, I have to report back to these scary people in New York at our network, what we're doing. And thankfully, and Starbucks never took the bait.

They're way too smart. Turns out, they're pretty smart. Yeah. They were like, I'm not chasing you little idiots around L.A. Like, we're not coming after you. So they didn't. But the L.A. County Health Department came. Do you remember this?

We're there? I wasn't there that day. L.A. County Health Department came and shut it down and thank God, because they were literally just giving away coffee and pastries to hundreds of people a day. Right. Thousands of people? Like, just like people were lined up for hours down the street. You needed some kind of authority to come in a show.

Somebody has to say no. Yeah. Or else why did we stop doing this great thing to do it? Yeah. Right? We need to hire an actor to be like, someone comes in. Yeah. But that's, but we don't do that.

Yeah. So it's like keep going, keep pushing it. And so you open it on Friday, at what point didn't it go viral? Man, pretty quickly, I think. I don't recall exactly, but it was pretty quickly. It was almost like the next day because the production coordinator messaged out all the interns. It was like TiVo all the news because it was everywhere too. Yeah, yeah.

Saturday. By midday Saturday, it was like, oh, shit. And the energy lift was huge. Like, back at that office on the Brea on Monday, everyone just felt so good. I mean, those winds are like the endorphins that keep everybody going. It was terrifying. It was terrible. Yeah. But then, but then, but then it works. Yeah. And when it works, all those scary people at the network, all the things, and it turns out Netflix or Starbucks never sued us. Right. And, you know, we were happy to shut it down. And we went to the, we went to the hearing with the LA County Health Department. And we're like, thank you for shut. Thank you. And they're like, well, this is first. Like, nobody usually comes in here and say, thank you for shutting down our establishment.

But you're welcome. I'm like, thanks. We pay our little fine. And that was great. And I'm sure some of this is privileged, but how much of the stress did you convey to Nathan and how much did you shield him from? Well, the part, I mean, first off, there, you have to tell him what's going on. Right. So he has to know the consequences. Also, because you can't then pull the plug if something goes wrong without kind of keeping him abreast. And it was his show. So he was definitely in the know, but that's my job generally is to be the heat sink, is to absorb the friction.

Right. I'm the point of contact and this between the network or the lawyers or the whomever and the show. That's my job. And so I try to, he never was on any of those calls with those attorneys or the, you know, that's my job. And the attorneys are a very specific skill set, right? Right, in the kind of unscripted prank space? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, well, in this case, it was the Viacom attorneys who were like... Hamering will never work for Comedy Central again. That was the implied message that I was getting. And by the way, they had every right to say that. Yeah, you weren't mad at them for that. Yeah. But we have had and have, like, great legal advice. And we've done it a bunch now.

So we have some experience in how to do things like your show. and other things. You know what's crazy is, like, now Comedy Central is gone. And you've made so many things that are ahead of its time. Like, and, like, styles of humor. Like, Nathan is a style of humor. Tim and Eric is a style of humor. Like, it affects, like, generations of comedy that have come.

Where do you think? And when we started comedy doing stand-up, I was like, oh, dude. When I got, when I got into show, I was like, I'm going to be well-feral. I'm like, I don't know if that job exists now in comedy of like movie star, dude. What do you think's next? like what do you and you're a media guy do like and then there's podcasting which we're all grateful for which is now like kind of evolving into shows yeah uh what do you think like the next big like I mean this is you're doing this is it this is it right for right now like think something that

you as as professionals who are comedians and who are who are makers of things that can go out and do you're doing it and this is this this this and this and social media and doing your special and clipping it up and putting it on on TikTok and YouTube and Instagram like that to in my estimation what do I know but in my estimation that is the existential threat against traditional media period and it's not and by the way okay fine like but people who are now saying I want to go be the next um you know Chuck Lori no those forget it he took the last luxury yacht out of port for that job like those that's not happening really anymore not in that in that way um so it is like it's where where the the that used to be there was

this um you know there's this kingdom on a hill and these people are sending out checks be like you're a funny person here's a check go make a thing go plant your crops in the fields um now the those castles are still there on the hill but the money isn't inside the castle it's outside it's over there and so if you're if you're doing a thing you don't those fortresses of major networks don't represent the doorway necessarily anymore to opportunity, to money, to success, to be able to make things. They are competing with social media and YouTube and podcasts. And so it's terrifying for people like me whose job is to work with those traditional

partners to execute ideas with sufficient budgets to make them and deliver them to a broad audience. Yeah. It's an excellent opportunity for creators and comedians and writers and thinkers to just go make shit. Like I spent an hour this morning just scrolling through like substack and most of it is trash. But like every once in a while it's like, oh, that's pretty good. And there's a lot of really good writers on substack too who have left like legacy media companies to write there. Yeah, Michael Shea went to our earlier point. Like I like, oh, he's on there too. Yeah, man. It's great. And stuff on there is dynamite. Is he doing fiction? No, it's mostly like, it will like show you something he wrote some years ago. It's like,

Like, here's the thing I wrote some years ago. And it's like, by the way, he put on there, shameless plug, Michael Shabon, he's the man. He wrote a draft of a Spider-Man sequel years ago that used to be available online and he took it down for Sam Ramey. He wrote it for Sam Ramey. They wanted to put too many villains into it, right? Because they wanted to sell more toys or something. They should have made that movie, man. His script is fucking great.

Yeah. It's so good. Anyway, but here now is an opportunity for me to get access to that and see that and read that in a way that in a way that is. isn't, hasn't been widely available. And so, so the answer to your, long waited answer to your thing is, is to don't, you don't have to wait for an invitation to the party anymore to be like, now is my chance to go make a show. Go make it. And by the way, you don't have to make it fancy.

You don't have to make it super nice. You don't have to use big fancy cameras to it. All you have to do is make somebody in Moline, Illinois laugh. And if you can do that, if you do that 10,000 times, you have, you have, you have, you have, currency that the people in the castles on the hill are desperate for that's it has it changed the the skill set you look for in a performer that's a that's a good question no no no i mean i don't funny it's just filming it with different cameras and putting it in a different place to watch yeah and mostly it's it's now down to like i still just follow my instinct like it's

i've always just followed my instinct like when you guys came into my office with the show for for Netflix. I was like, yeah. I'm in because I know you. I know it's funny. It's immediately funny. I get it. You guys are great. I'm in. And it's still that. It's still like a gut thing. You've done so much avant-garde comedy, too, that even some of the stuff you've done, I've always greatly admired, but some of it was above my, like, it went over my head sometimes. I was curious, have you ever believed in someone, but you didn't understand what they were doing? Like, it went over your head? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think those are the things that really usually excite me. There's a comedian in Australia named Demi Lardner and she's to me one of the very funniest people on the planet. I want everybody to just dig her because she's great. She now has this on. She's found a channel to support it. She has a game show called So You Want to Win a P penis pump. And it's like it's every other game show should be canceled and we should just be watching. So you want to win a penis pump. It's fucking hilarious.

That's amazing. And Ian Abramson is a guy who's been around. he's so funny so funny so strange and so like defines like exploratory avant-garde comedy and he'll do something and it's funny and then he'll do something different he'll iterate it immediately and try to push the boundaries even further and i just respect him yeah he did a bit with a shock collar where he would shock himself during stand-up sets it's wild yeah he's uh yeah i think he's just he's a he's a genuine talent so yeah so yeah when eric andre came in did did you find eric Andre or did he how did that come about so I knew Eric like from around not well but like he he he had made this tape the like the demo of the Eric Andre show and it had I had somehow seen it

it kind of like made this circuit and then I had met him at a comedy festival up in Nevada City and we'd gone to the river and like hung out and you know I knew he was and he was funny and then some months later I was back in LA we were working on on one of our shows and Mike Lazzo from Adult Swim called me up and he was like, you heard about this guy Eric Andre? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great. He's like, are you seen this clip?

And he sends me this clip. He's like, yeah, yeah, I want to make that a TV show. Can you make that a TV show? I was like, yeah, yeah, well, we would and then we were like, well, you know, we could dress the setup a little bit, we'll get better cameras and he would, to his credit. He was like, nope, I want you to make that.

I want to shop for shot, rebuild of that thing that I can legally put on the air and clear and like, he wanted, he knew, he didn't want to. to dress it up, he wanted the raw ingredient. And I was like, yeah, hell yeah, let's go. And that's, that was it. And what was the moment on that show? Because they did a lot of crazy stuff. What was the moment on that show where your butthole got the tightest? Oh my God. Too many. Every day. Every day. Like that show was just one bear trap after another. And you so you have

all these shows running where all these guys are pushing the envelope and doing stuff that with prank, to be risky. You got to be willing to kind of put things on the line, but you don't know how it's going to land. So how are you managing that stress? Poorly. You know, I drink too much on the weekends. Like, I don't know. Like, you know, part of it is part of it comes from a fact that like, I can't believe that I'm allowed to do this. Right. And we would do this frequently, I think, in the first season in particular, an awesome show. And Tim and Eric, I would sit around and be like, I can't believe they're letting us put this on television. It's crazy. Like, let's keep going. And if you're not feeling that, if you don't feel like, oh, this, this is,

we shouldn't be doing this. You're probably not quite at the edge of where you should be. Like for me. And so for me, it's like, okay, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this until somebody was like, you're too much of a liability. You're out. And I get kicked out of Hollywood. Yeah. And I'm still waiting for that to happen to some extent. But it also, because you were willing to do those things, it made you one of the only people who has that skill set to be able to make stuff like that. There's not a lot. There's not a lot of people, I think, who have done it a bunch and are willing to

assume that kind of the risk that's inherent in it and the liability that's inherent in it. What was a bit on Eric Andre he wanted to do, but you had to say no? I mean, he got his way most of the time. They found a way. Maybe they found a good. I mean, he's just, he's like, you know, the secrets of my success. says that I'm kind of a push over. I'm like, all right. Do it. Um, and Eric is the thing that is that it's so intoxicating to me about Eric and Tim and Eric and Eric and Nathan and you guys and

just the people that I work with is commitment. And like, I'm not going to go down for this joke unless you are going to ride this bitch to the hilt. Like if you are, if you are willing to do this, I mean, really do this and commit to this thing. And if this, this thing plays and kills as hard as it has potential to kill, I'll catch a lawsuit. But, you know, one thing that I think actually inhibited us at times was that we are kind of good boys. So when we would get pushback, we'd be like,

I don't even remember Netflix told us you can't tell anyone you have the show because they want to make sure that their algorithm is protected so that when they drop the show, they know how well it's working and how many people it pushes it out to. So we were so disciplined about that. But you can tell us the truth now. Would Netflix actually have been that upset if we had posted about it? yeah they don't like it

it didn't I think I don't know that it's still the same over there now as the rest of some years ago but at that time yeah like their Netflix and my estimation is a search company first and foremost right they're a data company as much as they are a media company like that data and intel shapes their

product and that product could be chairs or something else because they know everything about how you like to sit and where and when and so I think that that is an important thing for that right you can't mess with that You don't really want to mess with that. Interesting. Yeah.

That was hard for us. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's tough. I still told people on dates, but I did not do anything on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're growing up, how were you with authority? Did you, would you push, would you push, would you test your, would you test your, would you test the harder? Like, I was, I was, I was fairly, I've never been great with authority.

but at the same time like I was I was a good kid and I was like I was the drum major of our marching band and so it kind of was authority in some sense but like the same time like I don't never held like a proper job you know what I mean and I don't know that I would thrive in those scenarios where I would have to do that because I'm fundamentally I'm like you know what fuck that I'm not doing that right I'm going to do this other thing that's more important so not not great yeah You're not great with authority. You're kind of a self-directed person. So it's completely intrinsically motivated my whole life.

Like, I don't, like, you can yell at me and, you know, or demand things of me. And I'm not going to do it. I'm going to do the thing that I think is the right thing to do in any given situation. And if you have your judges, do you like doing scripted more? Do you like doing... I like it all. I like it all. Everything?

I love it all. I don't care. If it's good, if it's good, if the idea is pure, a little gem of an idea. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's a tweet. I don't care if it's a six-part miniseries in period dress. I don't care if it's a song.

Like, I'm there to do it and to produce it and make it fucking great. And is there different things you look for? Like, what makes a scripted thing harder, hard to make and what makes a reality thing hard to make? For me? Yeah. Well, it's harder to sell scripted budget. Like, there's just not enough people pumping enough money.

into taking what I consider to be the right swings or good swings and scripted comedy right now that's such a scarcity and so some people get to do it at a high level but not not enough you know I think there there should be more money out there for these kinds of things so so budgetarily it's much easy to do on scripted stuff and do you think that's why we're not seeing as much good scripted stuff on TV right now is they're just not putting the resources into it yeah yeah there's no middle class anymore like comedy comedy is a middle class citizen in the media sphere, right? So like budgets, it's not Game of Thrones, right? And it's not a TikTok video. So a good scripted comedy is somewhere right in the middle there, even always sunny, which now their budget is probably gazillions because they're getting paid a lot, but the production side of that, that's a middle class endeavor. And that's largely gone. And do you think this new tax incentive that they put in place to make California more competitive, do you think that's going to work?

I don't know I don't know I hope I hope I mean it'll some people will get it but but it has to it should be going to those productions and not the the next Marvel movie and and what is happening is some some of the bigger productions are going to come back and take a lot of that tax money because it and it look on paper it's zero some it doesn't it's good business if you get because those shows are going to create 300 jobs versus the 30 that I might create Right. Right. I also saw it only covers below the line production costs.

I don't know. I haven't looked into it too much. But you, I don't know. Usually like Georgia and I'm like you can get, you can get some above the line costs if it's directed towards Georgia. Right. And then do you think, where are you out with AI? I know like there's a, it seems like an animation that can do all this stuff between like the key frames at this point. Do you see as big a job displacement coming from it as people?

are worried about or do you think it's still going to be a creative first kind of this it's not great for it's not great for animators it's not great for animators and people who are in the back end post process like that's going to be challenging so color correction sound mixing um animation key framing special effects no sorts of things i think are probably going to that's going to take a hit i mean it already is i think um uh do i do i fear that there will, you know, writers will be fully displaced by AI. I don't think so, man. I don't think so.

I don't think so. Because what happens is everybody's going to pump billions of dollars in developing AI so that it can make something like Lord of the Rings, right? But we have Lord of the Rings. And over here on this island are all the writers who are like, yeah, that's a good copy of Lord of the Rings. But meanwhile, look at everything everywhere all at once, right? Oh, shit.

And all the people on this island are like, let's put that into AI and see if we can get something like that. Right. So it's, by, by its very nature, it's not generative, it's regurgitative. Right. Right. And it's referential. It has to be taught what to do.

And it's not, it's not going to wake up at the 4 o'clock in the morning with an inspiration. It's giving you a degraded version of the original, whereas the person who's already ingested that original thing can create a new original thing. Yeah. Drop, when you get AI to drop acid, like maybe then, maybe the consciousness will awake up. You know what I mean?

like, then it's going to be like, oh my God, but what if the... AI to drop an asset. That's a more provocative idea. Maybe we'll go camping with you, dude. Go camp. Let's go camping. It's also like, don't we, aren't we fans of writers? Like, I can't be, like, see myself being a fan of, like, grok.

Although it's kind of a sick handle. But I'm like, but maybe the next generation will, I don't know. Maybe they'll like different machines. I have no idea, but like... Maybe. I don't know whose favorite author is AI, dude. Like, that's just too dark. That's what I mean?

Like, don't we love like a hunter as top? Don't you love a person with a little ledge that's like a little flawed that wrote something you love? Yeah. Yeah. It seems like that's the basis of entertainment is human-to-human connection. Yeah, I think so. And so I think AI can certainly augment things. You know, you can toss a joke in there and it can, you can, you can be like, here, punch up this, but like, you need that human being at the core.

Yeah. I mean, even now you watch like those AI events. videos and it's it's you know I know at a certain point we won't be able to tell the difference but it's kind of repulsive at this point where you're like something's off yeah yeah yeah creeps people out instantaneously they just want to get rid of it yeah but we won't be able to tell the difference between AI and like a shitty movie right right you will always be able to tell the difference between a great AI movie and like even a mediocre human driven movie I guess I'm more because it's going to be more inspirational more it's going to have a flicker

the center of it yeah it's a horse baby you gotta be the cowboy that's right yeah that's it well said well said did you would have been a good are you able to watch this stuff you've worked on uh yeah uh yeah i mean i have feelings about it all it comes with it comes with like it's hard you can't watch it for what it is you think about what happened behind the scenes that day yeah so it's hard for me to just see it like in a vacuum on its own but like i went back recently watched an episode of john benjamin as a van because it's so long ago and i'd forgotten so much about it. It was like, that's pretty fun. I forgot. There's a character named Dave Nebone

in the show. Oh, really? Yeah. And it unlocked all these memories for me. Played by Gary Wilms. It's an incredible actor. There's Reddit threads asking, is Dave Nebone a real guy? Yeah, I know. I've seen. My wife, somebody's saying, you know. I auditioned to play myself in John Benjamin as a van, and I didn't get the job. That's hilarious.

They're like, well, you've got somebody else. He's a trained actor, and he's better looking. He's taller, he's better looking, and he's like a Broadway actor, and he's like, fair enough, fair enough. Fair enough. I get it. And this might embarrass you a little bit. Did you read anything on, like, leadership?

Like, where did you kind of get your point of view for that? Great question. I don't. So I taught summer camps as a young man, as a teenager. And, like, part of it was, like, given leadership pep talks and stuff. And it wasn't, that wasn't, like, the source material of it. But I was, I just, I was inspired by, like, role models that I had in my life. Be like, that, not that.

Real life people. people my dad my you know my my my high school track coach my school band director like people that i've worked with over the years and people who i admire um who were just like oh i see that that that and not that like there's a there's a there's a way to be and there's and then you know there's there's the there's a kind of a weaker minded way of doing things and i was like i'm i'm not going to be here in this hollywood fantasy line forever so for example i'm going to do my very best to do the thing that I think is the right thing and not be a dick. And if I have to burn it down on the way out, okay. So to me, that's like, it's leadership. And it's like, I'm not going to tell somebody

to take a risk or do something that I'm not willing to like put up and do. And what do you think makes you a good leader of artists who are typically eccentric? I'm not sure that I would. No, you are. I think you are. I don't know. I mean, I think if there's anything that I do. What is it the dynamic with artists that made you effective in communicating with them and getting them to do good work? I'm a I'm a fierce advocate. I'm the only thing, the only job skill that I have at all in my life is that I'm a relentless fierce advocate for something I think is funny or great or whatever. Like if I was like this is the thing. And if you, like I said before, if you are, I think you're special like Phil Burgers, you know Phil, Dr. Brown?

Like he's somebody else who I'd like, I chased him around town. to try to make something with it's like, you're special. And I will, I'll take, I'll take one for you. But like, I'm going to push you to do the best version of a thing that, and make you sit down and do the work so that you can achieve this thing. Because that, I, because I think you're great, man. This question's highly abstract. So it'll be very challenging to answer on the spot.

But I'm just going to throw it at you. When you were helping us build our writer's room, there's different personality. And you were like, this guy's a tinkerer. This guy's like a wild man. She's like really good with structure. Like there was, if you're building a writer's room like a dream team, what are the personality types you think need to be in there to make it go as well? And I know every project's different.

Every project's different. But, but I think that's a good example. Like you want some people are just joke machines. And and some people and they're, but that's a, that's more of a reactive generation. Like there's like, okay, you need somebody who's good with story and character. You need somebody who's good with structure and you're somebody who's good with just throwing bombs. And if you can get some of those aspects in a room and some combination, you're off, you're into, you have a good starting position. And then you can fill in as necessary.

Like we need somebody with more journalistic point of view or whatever. But like, I think Derek Beckles, did he write on your show? He wasn't on ours, but I was actually a writer's assistant on the second season of Hot Package. So I got to be in there with like him and Cal And he's a, he's a, he's a joke terrorist. He will, he is just like the funniest, like, you put him in a room and you say the premise is it's golden girls and all these retired women are living together in this home in Florida. He's going to find a way to throw 37 just crazy ass jokes into that thing.

You'd be like, God damn, that's really good. Yeah. But, but ask him to sit down and write like, I need a 32 page draft and I need these rewrites. That's not his. I would give that to somebody else. But if you want somebody who's just going to come in and just kick ass throwing jokes at your thing i always call him derrick like he's great and what's your approach if there starts to be an ego clash between two people who have like equal station and kind of good claim to

whatever they're fighting over yeah how do you manage that well uh this is all really weed stuff like do people care about this though at all i don't know i think so okay what's chat saying are they stoked we a little check check in on chat dude yeah let's check in on chat i don't want to so nervous Paul Vim with Chad. They're talking about Fast and the Furious Dave. All right, cool. You know, sick franchise. Cool.

JT. flexing the festival bracelet. What up? We went to a pool party in Vegas. Yeah, they're engaged. We saw Zad. I don't know if you remember this, but you've been to Zed with us before.

That was one of my very, that's one of the most surreal experiences I've had, and I've had a very surreal career in this town and this business. That was one of the craziest goddamn things. The KZ, well, we all raged pretty hard. Well, I know. I went to bed early.

Relatively. And we ran into you the next day. Yeah. I was coming down. I was going to get a car to the airport. I was going to get a car to the airport. And I was leaving. I was out the elevators in the lobby of the hotel.

And first, I don't remember if I saw you or Danvers, but I saw Dan was like, kind of wandering around. They had that birthless. And he had not been to bed. Oh, yeah. And he was like kind of trying maybe to find his way back to his room.

Yeah. And I was like, how you doing? I know, man. He's like, oh, yeah. Pretty good. And your shoes were lost? Yeah, I had one shoe missing. You had a shoe missing?

I, like, came, so I, I, you know, we, we, we, we, we, we're, as soon as the shoot wrapped, Red Bull Vodka's, we were just tossing them back. That was an insane shoot. Insane. And next thing I know, it's 10 a.m. at the casino bar with, with Lucchese. Next thing I know after that, I'm in the lobby with one shoe. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't know where. my key is oh right you lost your key yeah yeah yeah oh my god and then just the next two days just

you know well for the next day i was in the hotel room just in the dark just kind of like what just happened someday maybe off the pod here i want to find out what did you guys do that i never really got the full we did we what did we do we we there's an after party right you know we went to an after party i mean i think honestly i think we tried to find a strip club at like 9 a m sure and then i said yeah and then we went in yeah we went in and we were like we're like this is not the vibe and then uh went back to the a lot of it was just sitting around trying to figure out what to do that's amazing that that was uh yeah just jones in for action a little bit yeah we wanted to keep going one place one place i never ever thought that i would ever find

myself yeah was in a like a super expensive like Vegas club behind the DJ booth with, like, people popping bottles of crystals. I was like, what the, Janelle and I were there for the producer, Janelle, standing next to each other being like, oh, I don't know, yeah, cool. Yeah. It was so fun to have you there, though. I think we were so pumped to, like, have you, have you and Janelle, like, cap off the shoot with us. Yeah, it was, it was a large, man. It was like a rap party. It was perfect. We got the shot speaking at the show, and then, bang, we were off the races. That was good. Yeah. That was a great, great time. Yeah. The chat wants to know how many times

have you seen Eric Andre's Wiener? Oh, God. Good question. A lot. I don't know, man, a lot. Yeah. I mean, good, good on him. He's proud of that thing. You know, rightfully so. There's in person and then also in the edits, you got to see it a lot. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, you're kind of numb to it after a while. He's just, he's a naked man and he's a beautiful man. sure it's all good that's a lot the answer is a lot of times yeah and what are you working on now tom ford is this is a tom ford half that's not a good one is tom for you just did Caleb hearing special Caleb special for HBO and we're we're we just did a pilot for HBO um and uh doing another special comedy specials you ask about like what's the future of the landscape look like specials are great

specials are easy to go and make they don't have to cost a fortune they're renewable like you You do an hour, you put it on tape, you chop it up, you put it on your socials. It's a great way to build an audience and expand your reach. And then you do it again in a few months when you got another good hour or in a year? And do you think we will see a return of like the middle class comedy or do you think like for TV it has to be the bear where it's like a big actor and kind of high-saint- No, 100%. Now on TV, maybe not, but on some version of a screen for sure because comedy will always, two things

that will never dry up in in media and media consumption one is comedy and the other is ad dollars so advertising they're people are going to want to sell this whatever this is sharper mind calm energy i should have had one of those before dude they're good yeah they're pretty dang low stress calm energy sharp mind hold on me yeah take one take one yeah try it's really good it's like a yeah uh neutropic is what they call it fine hit that thing we'll go find a strip club we're Let's go, tiny. Yeah. We're going back to Resorts World.

Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, anyway, yeah, I think there will always be people writing, comedians are out there making good stuff, and writers are out there writing incredibly good stuff. And it's just our job, my job is a producer and other people like me in this business, our job to find opportunities for them to make those things

to share them, get them out there. So yes. And do you see prank stuff changing much with just how acculturated people are to it now? And hell, you have to step in the name of. You can't. You can't. You have to, like, there will always be a market for people like with the dollar bill on a string kind of a thing, right?

That would always be there. But I think that prank and social experiment, like, it's funny. It can be funny. But you have, you really, it's hard, I think, to innovate and to really step that up to it. And I think, and without getting too pretentious, but I'll go all the way with it. Like, I mean, you hear like Eric Andreine interviews, he talks about like Horrodoski or you hear. like Nathan talk about like Bertold Brecht and stuff like that like there's a level of like you'll see Eric Andre getting fucked by like a gorilla at a zoo but the influences he's

pulling from when he does something like that that would have been funny in 1913 right to to to those folks in the burgeoning modernist movement who are like that's funny and if you go back there's art that's like what's the Eric Andre version of that back then and it's probably hanging on Gertrude Stein's wall somewhere, right? Right. So, yeah, and Eric is a super smart cat and intellectual about his approach to comedy and his influences. And Nathan is as well. Like, I think we all take it seriously to a certain extent.

Like, you want to do something that's interesting, right? That it comes from a place that is inspired by something interesting that switches you on. And you want your thing to switch somebody on. But even if the joke, so do you feel like even if the joke is, is dumb. Even if it ends up being about poop or a penis, the genesis of it needs to come from like, does it help if it's rooted in a real? It should be. Absolutely. Like, I made a career off of like fart jokes, right? But like, I'm proud to say that I've been part of like some elevated fart jokes. Yeah, the most sophisticated fart jokes in history. Yeah. That could be on your

tombstone. That's hope. Let's do it. Let's do it. No, I think that, I think that like it, it, it's boring. It's like it's really dull to be all like self-important about comedy. Sure. So, you know, you know, try to dissect, well, this is why this far joke is funny and it's not. Things are instinctual, but but good storytelling and his joke is storytelling, like good storytelling is a has a fundamental art form and a structure to it and an approach to it that has been revolutionized and turned on its head and revisited and rewritten and restructured infinite number of times over the human history. And that's what we do as artists. Like we build, we dissect, we tear it apart, we put it back together and be like, yep, still a fart

joke and still funny. But it looks different. It sounds different. One thing that you, one thing, because you've always talked about commitment and how important that is. And like to, and like a lot of the performers you really liked were guys who, it felt like even when the camera was off, they were sticking to that, like to that character, or anytime the camera's on, rather, they're sticking to that character. They're consistent in it. Yeah. But now with the ubiquitous, eviquity of like people filming themselves and stuff, Yeah. Do you think it's kind of taking it away from comedic performers and it's just made actual crazy people the only ones who are able to be that character all the time?

Yeah, look. Look, I think there is a personality. I know you don't want to go negative with it. Yeah, I'm not trying to neg anybody. But there's a personality marketplace out there to be like, this guy's crazy and funny. You know, and she's like, a wild woman. She's not afraid of anything. That's great.

All that's fine. At some point, the real. challenge becomes can that person elevate that to to to artistry beyond you okay you have a care like to me if that person would come in for a meeting with me or or anybody really yeah development thing be like great i dig this character you've got what's what do we do with it right and it's like well i go to ralphs and i throw stuff in the air it's like then what you do with it like where do you go from there like what's the story what's it adding up to yeah like let's put this person what is your gone with the wind like what is your yeah challenge

you were even reluctant to get negative there and I love that about you and I really want to convey that to the audience like I remember one time someone came into audition to write for us or interview to write for us and they were just off their shit that day and we were all like no and we were about to start kind of like

borderline gossiping about how they were off their shit that day and you were like guys let's just move on and go to the next and I was like Dave won't even let us talk trashed I was like because it would have been BS by out like we were going to be I get it I get it's easy to do and I'm not a saint man I'm not a butt like I try I'm not above any of that but you felt that moment in real time and you were like

that's not where we want to take no man people who are off their shit that's their it's his own penalty we don't need to heap on I'm like being being mediocre is a is a terrible burden yeah yeah yeah with your art you never want to be just fine either be shit or be great yeah yeah yeah and sometimes it's difficult to discern yeah yeah um I was it gonna it would go going back to that kind of um elevated uh like when you when you saw tim and eric and i guess with comedy in general like did you did you always feel like you had an inherent understanding of of jokes and like joke structure or like i still don't i know yeah i mean it's all i feel i i have what i think is just fun and i what i have learned if anything is to not try to dissect it and put it on paper and be

like, what is it about this and not that that makes me laugh? Because if you do that, you suck the air out of a thing. It's instinctual. 100% instinctual. And I can't do, by the way, I can't do what Tim and Eric do. I can't do what Nathan does or what you guys do or what Eric does or Caleb Heron does. Like, I'm like every other fan in an audience and people in the chat. I should just be in the chat. I'm just a fan. But I'm a fan who's sitting in a unique chair. that allows me to, like, call up HBO and be like, you know, you got to, you got to get on this. Right.

Just because I've been here long enough, like just from mileage, you know, and relationships. But that's it. Like, I'm reactive. I love funny, love being around funny people. Yeah. Who doesn't? And if there's anything that I do, it's like, how can I help get Tim Heidecker's new thing out further? because he's always banging man he's always dropping i still he's one of my very favorite comedians

and eric like these guys they're funny to me as friends like man that's pretty good look how can i how can i get this how can i amplify this right yeah yeah yeah well dude it's a pleasure man Dave thank you so much and i thank you for having me i love you guys deeply yeah you love you too and uh i'm a big fan of all y'all and i want to take i want to take strata camp in some time bro i literally will dude i'll all do it if you i'll go with you i'll do it he's like the number one guy to do stuff with yeah i know i know let's all go camp and i want to get you like all y'all i'm on the trailer under the stars oh that'd be fun you know what it is dude i wear contact lenses how am i going to put those out on in the wilderness for sure i've been there man i've been there i'll talk i can let's go

dude do you have a telescope uh i don't i used to i used to yeah that's a bitch we know like you can't you can't really with a telescope you can never really camp anywhere that's good enough to use a telescope because you're car camping you know what i mean you're still near some kind of infrastructure mostly that's what i need yeah oh and dude wait i got to say and you're a magic guy i do yeah yeah yeah aren't you past at the magic castle yeah you guys want to let's go to the castle yeah oh i don't make you do so the castle yeah it's invite only yeah but you're I'm a member yeah you're you had to do I had to perform I had to perform a magic set to get to get invited to join the castle yeah that's a whole thing

and Nathan Fielder was my sponsor to join he's a lot serious he's a member yeah he's did he do magic to do yeah dude he was like a child magician he's pretty good it was so funny we were in the writers room for the sorry I know we're supposed to be right this is amazing yeah I'm glad I was like kind of nervous about it and I was like I'm really want to join yeah you know it's like a goal for me like join the magic castle And I'd been at home practicing with my coins and shit, like trying to get all good. Never got that good. But so then I got my like, I got my confidence up.

And I went into the, there was a writer's room for, I don't know, season three or four of Nathan for you. And everybody's sitting around the table. And they were taking a break. And I pulled Nathan inside. Like, oh, man, so I'm going to think about trying to join the castle. It's like, but I need a member like, rec. Can you recommend me? And he was like, I don't know.

he was like and right in front this is this is Nathan to a T this motherfucker he's like in front of all these people who are all of our friends and all these very funny people writers be like let's see what you got yeah and so I was like oh I get nervous like I get yeah severe performance anxiety yeah and and so I sit down and I do a little coin magic and I and I and I kind of smoked it I was like well it's pretty good and I signed my sheet And then I went and I did my audition at the castle, which was, again, nerve-wracking, super nerve-wracking. What's the premier skill for a magician?

Is it like, is there different styles of magic? Like, is it a sleight of hand or is it like? Totally. So like some people, and you can make whole careers off of like being an excellent slide-of-hand magician or an excellent large-scale illusionist or a mentalist or whatever. And that's kind of most people who are serious about it kind of find their specialization.

Is there a hierarchy? Like, what's the Cadillac of Magic skills? Is it slight a hand? Is it mentalist? Is it large-scale illusion? Man. Is it big cats? Big cats?

Not anymore. That's a good question. I had to think more about that. But I will say this. And not just because we made a show. We made a show for Netflix called Magic for Humans, Justin Wilman. And we made another one called a Magic Prank Show with Justin.

And Justin, and this isn't a controversial thing. He may not be the best, like, slide of hand, close-up magician in the world. Or like even the best large-scale illusionist, but there is no person I've ever seen live, and I've seen a shit ton of magic over the years. Like it's a passion of mine. He holds an audience right there better than anybody. He owns a room so hard that you can't walk out of a room with him being like, that guy's pretty cool.

I would like to hang out with that guy. Like he kills a room. And his magic is dynamite. and his comedy is great like he's funny his stage presence is incredible but he just has instincts on how to rock a room so hard

it's it's if you can go see Justin Lohman do this act God do it he's great can you do a magic trick for us right now no I respect you you gotta give me little

he just disappeared dude you just left I love that let's see what you got let's see what you got oh my God it was so like Dude, yeah, yeah, so magic. So we should go to the castle.

Let me fucking. I'm so great. That sounds great. Well, Dave, thank you so much, man. Thank you, Dave. It was, it's an honor. It's an honor to be here, and I can't. Thank you for all the patient people in the chat.

Listen to me, yeah. Question now that it's done, how do you feel? About this? Just like, because you were nervous before, but not. Is he a propainter charcoal, man? Thank you. Hey, young clock, charcoal, baby. Yeah, dude.

Dude, I spent all day yesterday smoking a brisket. Definitely seems charcoal. Hey, beef nips. I wish it was my dad. I'll be your dad. Dude, we called Dave. I remember the first time we like, I'll blow up to APSO.

J-T was like, Dave's a patriarch. Dude, I would like you to be my dad, dude. When we go to the world, you'll be my dad, dude. You're getting the wrong message here, dude. You need someone in charge. You need someone in charge. Yeah, yeah, you're the leader.

I don't know. I love, this is, this is great. All right, beef nips is up. This is great. Your guys. All right. Thank you all for checking in. Beefitt.

Is a good guy. Beefing just chill. Everyone's just out there looking for a dad. And you're the guy, Dave. Sorry. Tell my kids that. I think my daughter would be like, this asshole? Well, thank you, guys.

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Honor to be here. So stoked. And so Chad's in the bathroom, but because he's got the heart out, we're going to keep pushing a little bit. We just got back from Vegas, dude. Dude, it was sick, dude. J.T. dude, all-time heater at the pool. party dude got like I don't think any dude has ever gotten 15 dudes into a

into a pool party I think it ended up being a few less but we'd been talking about it on the pod how nervous I was to as Zed to help to get me and 11 dudes into the the booth area yeah Zed so okay so that day we draft some of the guys bailed they didn't have the heart for the battle they were like we're going home some guys flew home no they had to go home and say that They have families. They have families. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A lot of guys that do have family state. And then... They got families. So, a lot of guys are hung over to, partying hard, but we're like, all right, we're going to the pool. We go there. The same guy who's been getting us into clubs there for 20 years still works there. He texts me seven times a year.

His name's Steve. He just goes, hey man, he coming to Vegas. I never respond. And then once in a while I do. I'm like, dude, we're here. He's like 65 bucks ahead to get into the club. I'm like, that's not bad. We skip like an hour or two line.

We all get in. There's like 11 of us. Yeah. the party promoter. I'm like, hey, can I get into the VIP section? He's like, yeah, I got you. I'm like, can I bring two buddies? He's like, yeah. I'm like, cool. So a couple of us are in there. I text Zed. I DM. I'm like, hey, man, could I, I see you're going to be here. Can I wave to you? He's like, dude, come into the booth. I'm like, can I bring some buddies? He goes, for sure. Yeah. His person texts me. I'm like, dude, I'm going to get my boys in, bro.

We're doing this. Yeah. I see Zed's buddy. We slap hands. I'm like, can I get my buddies in. He's like, yeah, you can get a couple. I go, dude's fast. Come on. 11 dudes file in. The guy's like, dude, what the hell? He tries to cut it off halfway through. I turn him and I go, dude, please. He goes, all right. It's us all in there. We killed the ratio.

11, 35 year old guys just dancing like this. And dude, we had the best time. It was amazing. Dancing with my brother after a good draft and like Strider was getting hit on by chicks a couple times, which was killer. I had the ring on. I was like, look, dude, our boy Tom Hull who's been out of here. I got to talk to my boy Tom.

That was weird. That was so funny. Strider's like talking about a pretty good. He goes, I just gave her Tom Hull's info. Oh, I'm not going to give her my info. Was he there? Was he there? No, it wasn't even there.

That's why I was weird. All there's single dudes, I don't know where they were at. I was like, honestly, dude, I love Tom Hull. I was like, you'd be great for my buddy Tom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one of our buddies got thrown out for being too drunk, which was really fun. Uh-huh. But we had the best time.

I can't think said enough. He's, is there a nicer guy? Oh, he's the best. No dude's ever let, like, 12, 40-year-old dudes with like somewhat indigestion go behind the DJ booth. It was incredible. It was so nice. Yeah.

Like, we're all dads and stuff. And Zed comes over, gives me a hug. Like, just, I don't know. He's a prince, man. Yeah. Like, he's a great guy. He's, he's just always nice. Well, how'd the draft go?

How'd you guys draft? I think we did good. Pars had a nice draft. How'd you do? I had a very mid draft, dude. We'll see. We thought you had a mid draft last year and then he had a good season. But he didn't draft any, who's your best player?

That's the thing. I got no, I got no first rounders in a 14-man-old. Devonte Adams is your best player? Probably. That's like my highest graded, like his ADP chat, average draft position, and also his ERC,

as expert consensus ranking, or excuse me, ECR, probably align the highest. And I do think he's going to be sick this year. I have to say, I love Devonte. Stafford's back. He's more of the toughest dudes.

There's a case we made. No, no, but Stafford's throwing him the rock. So I got to look out. And you're a Rams fan now. I'm a Rams fan now, yeah, yeah. So we'll be cheering for him together. I have some, I have Ricky Pierce, saw. I've got some high upside guys, but I reached on them

a little bit because I kind of fell in love with them, which I usually don't do. We'll see. We'll see. What was the draft order? It's auction, so you throw up a name and then everyone starts bidding on them. Oh, really? So it gets competitive. Like, you drive up guys. Like, so we had more draft capital late in the draft, so me and Strider were competing over a lot of guys. Oh. They got them because they had a little bit more. They budgeted better. That really, that really makes it. It's more exciting. Yeah. Because people will DM this book.

Who you drafted in sixth and Snake. And I was trying to be polite, but after a while, Snake guys is for low energy, non-competitive amateurs. Yeah. I mean, they should call Snake Draft the Dinosaur draft. Yeah. Get with the time for us. Come on, man.

If you like action, you got to go auction. Yeah, dude. If you want a guy, you can just get them. You just got to be willing to put your, you know, because you can, you can pound your chest. If you want a guy, pound your chest, get them. You can go Sequin for $83. You can let it ride that a guy who had, you know, you know, 400 touches last year is going to be able to repeat that production.

I don't think so. How much does everyone? They regress the year after and they regress heavily. How much does everyone start out with? $200. But then you do keepers. So like I kept BTJ for $3 because I had to pay a $2 tax. Our league's insane.

A little infraction last year. But that means I have like a wide receiver one and a half for barely any budge. Right. Which puts me in a big position of flex. That was cool. It's going to be fun. Oh, dude. It's business all day, dude.

And, you know, you got to just be, it's really, we've had a couple of good drafts in a row. What the pars are doing so well right now, I'm speaking for myself and my brother, it's when, when preparation meets discipline. Right. That's when you get to a place where you're really self-determining what your team is and what your goal is. And, you know, to Strider's credit, he does tears, but he doesn't put a cap on how much he's wanted to spend for a guy. And to me, you got to put in that extra effort. You got to know what your limit is when you're betting on somebody. Yeah.

I think this year has the most variability to do. I think this year with the rookies and stuff it's going to be a lot of variability I think it's probably going to be the luckiest year that being said what that is such a built-in excuse if anyone wins beside me it's luck if I win it's skill that's what needs to be said

dude the luckiest year ahead of time huh dude a lot of unproven touches out there a lot of unproven touches the number one receiver in San Francisco's offense normally puts up like 1,300 yards and like 8 to 10 touchdown so if that first round pick and recover from

that chest shot he could be the guy be sick could be sick i need it i need it bad if puka goes down you're in biz puka goes down no puka stays up i'm still on biz i want him upright baby i want him upright and i want cdie up right i do something sick the guys because like strider will always book i'm taking the high road you know i'm a nice guy but he's not really a strider will do this thing where he's like i don't root for injuries so now me because i'm like i'm the dark guy yeah when someone gets hurt i text i i send flowers to them and i get happy they love it they love when guys get hurt, dude. I don't actually love it, but I love taunting you as the dark guy.

I don't want your team to stay healthy, so when I win, you got no excuse. Well, we didn't need any last year. We won the titles, so hopefully that happens again. We have the most titles. Right. Strider has three. We have three. What do you want to say about my earlier titles?

They don't count. They're an error that's a bygone because it was snake. And you just said yourself. You're pre-modern, though. That is true. That is true. See, we create a lot of ways. to we'd just like to tear each other down

and sold our friends no most are yeah if you listen to a lot of podcasts it's snake it's too bad it's just yeah it's a lot to all right dude it's 231 brother you're a legend love you bro thank you man we're gonna call chudwin he's gonna give us

some football takes oh he's the man would you get up to this weekend I um surfed on Saturday just took the soft top out it was awesome in board shorts um what did I do

What did I do Saturday? I was kind of just working on stuff. I was doing some writing and then I saw weapons. I saw too. Saturday night in Vegas after Zed, all the guys went out again and I went to watch weapons. It's great. It's awesome.

Yeah. Thrill ride. And then I had a couple shows. Scary too. Yeah, scary. I had two shows and then I have a half marathon coming up so I ran 11 miles. I've been watching your strata updates.

Yeah, it's, um, I, uh, I, uh, I, you know, I, I'd been, like, capped at like five miles. And I had this weird thing where I'm like, man, did I, like, lose it a little bit? And then I did eight miles and I was like, I was like, oh, I forgot that feeling when you, like, when you, like, commit to a long run and then you lock in at like, like, like, past five miles. And you're like, oh, no, I'm the push through moment. Yeah, well, it's like, uh, it's like, uh, it's like, it's like, it's like, like the adrenaline kicks in or something and you're like or you lock into that runner's high you're like oh no i'm cruising that's sick um it is funny though ever since i start running

that that's the thing i get the most uh shit talk for running who says that weightlifting guys yeah like moscow uh my brother uh both big weightlifters big weight lifters they're like it's terrible you're a pussy and even and even like random those on Instagram. They'll be like, this is weak. You shouldn't be running. People, there's a lot of heat on running right now. Yeah.

Because they think the repetitive motion is damaging for knees and hips. Yeah. And also, don't they have like longevity stuff that marathon runners actually don't live as long as weightlifters? Yeah. Well, there's that thing of like, if you had like more muscle mass equals more life. Interesting. Equals a longer life.

What's your argument back to them? I like it. um how do they receive that oh they come at me with you know they're like well you're the stats and i'm like i don't give a shit i'm over analyzing health stuff i just now i just run on instinct it's so annoying it's so uh it's an addiction for people to be like obsessive over health stuff i'm like you're just doing extreme stuff and maybe running like a marathon's extreme but you're just doing extreme stuff to like feed this beast I think more so like it's you know if I want to if I want to have ice cream I'm going to have ice cream if I want a sandwich I'm going to have a

sandwich well that's one of the nice things about running all the time too is you're yeah that too I like burn enough calories where I can do that shit yeah but um even when I'm not running a lot it's uh I it's just a happier existence fuck yeah man dude this was wild on my way out to Vegas male porn star two rows in front of me I didn't recognize him at first, but he had a browser's backpack. Yeah. Which was hilarious. And he was wearing a black tank top tucked into black jeans.

Yeah. And he was like not huge, but he was built. Yeah. And dude, wily energy. A whole flight to Vegas like this. And then we land and we're taxing to our gate. Yeah. He starts moving.

He goes up and down the aisle to the bathroom. Oh, interesting. Person's like, hey, we can't move if you're moving. Yeah. This is an active plane. Sit down. He sits down. He's like still edgy.

We get off the plane. I'm walking through Las Vegas Airport. He goes straight to the Wells Fargo Bank that's inside of Harry Reid Airport. Interesting. Bizarre behavior. That happened to me on Las Vegas flight. Not a porn star, but like someone got up right when the plane landed. I think people are really jacked up to go.

Yeah. On my flight back, bumpiest ride in my life, by the way. It's a brutal flight. A guy next to me is a guy who works. works in music management. He met you at Coachella, nice guy. Oh, I think I did. And then we were chatting, girl next to us crying, she's so afraid. Yeah. And so I started trying to calm her down. I'm like, hey, it's okay. Like, I'm normally afraid of flying, you know, but her being more afraid made me like the common. I was like,

I was like, turbulence doesn't crash airplanes, you know, it's just a natural part of it. It's scary, but you're okay. She was like, okay, okay. And I go, you know, Victor Frankl, the philosopher, he used to go up to people when they were afraid of flying in the earlier days. he'd say, what are you going home to that you're looking forward to? Yeah. He said, that would quell their fear. So I go, what are you looking forward to? And she goes, I just want to land.

And then I looked at him and I go, that went terribly. Dude, we, Victor Frank, maybe you're not supposed to name check him before him, but like, did not work at all, dude. Yeah. We land. Guess who gets up in front of us? Kendra Sunderland, female porn star. Oh, wow. Yeah, she was right there.

So male porn star on the way there. I think they banged, and then she flew home. Oh, interesting. What do you see, that's cool that they banged. I'm guessing. I haven't seen the scene. Well, you gotta assume that they did. For sure, two porn star, same city.

And when you see a porn star in person, what, it's like, what happens to you? Ah, you know, I wasn't like a terribly inflamed, uh, you know, not, it doesn't take much to make me horny. But no, I was just more like, I just started, I went into storytelling mode. Yeah. I was like, okay, so he flew out. went to the Wells Fargo. Why did he need money? Was it just to gamble? Is he just on edge? Was he trying to buy like dick pills? He sees Kendra. She doesn't look super jazzed right now, but the flight was bumpy. Maybe they had a bad bone session. Maybe they're actually dating. And, you know,

after the fact they went out to dinner and that chemistry wasn't there. So I was, I was more thinking about her. Yeah. And then I was, you know, I got to go home and see my family. Yeah. It's good call. Should we call Chudwin? Guys, so we're going to call our buddy Adam Chudwin. He is an analyst for Rich Eisen, so he's calling in to give us some of his takes for the upcoming football season. He's been doing some prep on it. One thing you got to know about Adam, he says he's a foodie, but he's allergic to about 80% of foods, and he's a huge diehard Chicago Bears fan. So he's in perpetual pain there.

Hey, this is Adam. Hey, Adam, how's it going? This is J.T. Parr. Oh, J.T. what's going on bro i didn't know you pick up your phone like that dude wait am i on right now yeah you're live dude you got chad here too oh i'm live with chat and jc right now yeah hold on let me get my earphones in one second he's a great guy he's really just salt to the earth all right what's up stokers what's up everybody what's up dude how's life can't complain can't complain

Excited for football season. We've made it this far. We're here now. Well, let's get into it, dude. So I ask you to prepare five takes for the upcoming football season. Do you have them ready? I have them ready. Rip, dude.

All right. First take. As you guys know, I am a Chicago Bears fan. So it might be biased, but I believe it's going to happen. Caleb Williams will be the first quarterback in Chicago Bears. history to pass for 4,000 yards. There has never been a quarterback in Chicago Bears history that has done that. And last year, Caleb passed for 3,541 yards, and that was with a terrible offensive

line and a clueless offensive coordinator who didn't know what he was doing. So I think with the addition of Ben Johnson as the coach who's considered a great play caller combined with the fact that we drafted Colston Loveland and Luther Burden. He's got a ton of weapons. And so the offensive line was upgraded by having three new linemen. So I think it's time for Caleb to get 4,000 yards. By the way, guess the other two teams. There's only two other teams in the NFL who've never had a 4,000 yard passer.

Do you guys think you can get it? Yes. Cleveland? What do you think of it? Nope. It's teams you would not expect that you'd think would have had it. Cowboys.

Nope. I just tell us. Surprisingly, the Eagles have never had one. Oh. And the Seahawks have never had one. Oh. That is interesting. I would have guessed McNabb got there that year with Terrell Owens.

Dude. He was close. He had 3,916 yards. Chud, sorry to interrupt your hot tics, but this is football-related. I forgot. I watched Rudy for the first time. Oh, nice. Dude, it made me cry at the end.

Oh, it's a beautiful movie. Oh, man. Fucking Rudy. Fantastic movie. But then I heard that Joe Montana's like, yeah, movies bull crap. They carried them off as a joke. They were making fun of them. Yeah, yeah.

But it's a movie. We want to see that. And they never brought their jerseys in and said they were going to quit. Yeah. One of the best scenes in like any sports movie. I love that. Sorry, coach. Yeah.

All good. All good. Okay. Chad, I'm going to evaluate your hot takes. I'm going to come out and say, number one, I agree with it. Number two, I don't think that's a hot take. I think most people would have him pegged for $4,000 this year. 17 games.

I didn't know these necessarily had to be hot takes. I thought they were just takes slash predictions. So you're coming on live and you're doing medium takes? What are we talking about? Hey, come on. A lot of people are talking crap on Caleb. He's the most criticized quarterback right now. They're saying he's not good.

Well, he's got bad body language. You see him during that drill when he was missing the net? I mean, you don't see quarterbacks get. slump shouldered like that they're supposed to be you know dave knee bones yeah that shows his passion that shows that he cares about every little thing bro he paints his fingernails chad where are you out on that silver fingernails you cool with it uh no dude get get out of here dude dude this is we're kind of alpha yeah this isn't good charlotte this is football dude you got benjie madden back there quarterback dude yeah dude

this is this is Chicago okay yeah he should be eating brats probably you know these guys are like oh he's panted his nails he's a wuss no no no let him express himself as long as he produces on the field I don't care no I know he's not allowed to do that that's so soft

me and chat ever see him we're gonna punk his ass man make him cry like he just lost a USC I just I just de-end him being like you're a pussy oh dude and he's like the fourth guy you sent that to today That's all I do All I do

I might DM that to you Judwin if you don't come With some hotter takes Yeah these takes better get sizzling Brother All right what's number two Okay Well hold on

I have a 1A And it deals with our good friend Joe Marisi I think that When Joe Marisi And I Don't watch every Bears game This season together

Which we did last year At the naughty pig Joe will be drinking Way more beers than he did last year Wow Yeah he's He's going to be drinking a lot this year, and there's two reasons. First of all, it's because now he's a vegan, so he needs to feel something.

He doesn't feel anything anymore. You know what I mean? All the food pleasure is gone from him, so he needs to feel something. So he's going to be drinking those beers hard on Sunday mornings. And then I think the bear's going to be winning more. So he's going to get excited, and that's going to make the beers flow. So Joe Marisi will be drinking more beers than last year. That's my take for that.

Happy beer drinking season for Marisi. We're behind that. Absolutely. I got to join you guys this year. I've been meaning to do it. You ever go? No, no. I need to go.

I used to go with him to the parlor back to those days. He had a good crew. He rolled deep with like 20 Chicago guys. Jay, can we also make sure that Chudwin's volumes up? Sometimes the calls are coming in a little bit underneath on the volume. All right, Chedwin, what's your next take? Okay, next take. Abdul Carter, the rookie for the New York Giants.

will be the next great pass rusher in the NFL and we'll have at least 10 sacks this year becoming the NFC defensive player of the year. I think that's... Actually, you know what? I think he's going to be the NFC defensive player of the year as a rookie.

So is he going to be the NFL defensive player of the year? Yeah, that's what I'm an NFL defensive player of the year. That's a hot take. So you're saying he's going to be better than Garrett. He's going to be better than Parsons. He's got the contract thing. He's going to be better than Watt, who, you know, wasn't great down the stretch last year.

He's going to be above all those guys. Yeah, I think he's that good. And the fact that the New York Giants, they have a really good defensive line. They have Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns, and they'll be taking attention away from him. I watched him at Penn State play. I'm a Penn State alum.

He is so fast. His bend around the defensive, or excuse me, around the offensive tackle is so quick. He is just built like a truck. He's fast. I think he's going to be the best defensive. player in the league in a very short time. And I think he wins defensive player of the year.

Wow. You know, I saw Von Miller talking about. He's like, you know, you don't really need that many moves. It's really just about being faster or stronger and then mix it up when you're, which one is which when. Yeah. I mean, the guy is just, he has the combination of everything. Like, he just reminds me of Micah Parsons, but I think he could even be better than Michael Parsons.

Hmm. I think he's that good. Next. All right. Next one. this is a big take here I don't know if it's a hot take but it's a big take the Buffalo Bills

finally get over the hump and they win the AFC just like I would love to see that just like the Chicago Bulls it took them years to get over the pistons it's been years and years of

losing to the Chiefs and I think this year in their final home game ever in their old stadium they beat the Chiefs in the AFC championship. They slay the dragon. And let me tell you a couple of reasons why. The desolation is smog.

First of all, the chief's schedule is way harder than the bills. It looks like the chiefs have the 11th hardest schedule and the bills have the 23rd toughest. Wow. So, yeah, so their schedules way easier. When you think about their defense for the bills, they added Joey Bosa.

They've added some good young players in the draft. And Josh Allen coming off an MVP season, you have Kean Coleman, his second year receiver, I think we'll have a breakout year. Do you think he'll be the number one pass catcher on the bills? I do this year. I mean, they have Josh Palmer, they have Khalil Shakira, but I think Kean Coleman is going to be,

from everything I'm reading, he's been awesome in preseason. And I think he's going to have a big year. and listen here's the thing about Josh Allen now he is a married man he is a married man he got married in the offseason to Haley Steinfeld and I think that him being married now is going to give him that extra maturity that extra poise to really thrive in clutch situations and I think they break through and they slay the dragon like you said love it dude I'd love to see that I start watching hard knocks this season it's the bills Nice. Is he cool?

He's cool. I mean, he's such a sweetheart. He's very kind of like, he's like, yeah, yeah, I had a, I had a good wedding, you know. Seems like a good guy. I like him. And here's the thing also about the Chiefs, last year they were 10 in 0 in one score games. It's going to be tough to keep that out. I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, everything went their way with those. But Mahomes knows how to execute when it's tough. He'll get those calls. He'll make those throws in that order. But going 10 and 0 also

It's like that's crazy And then they lost their guard Joe too Need it to the Bears But I still think Kansas City You'll have a good season I just think the bills will be better Who do you think is going to be the number one receiver On Kansas City

Do you think it's going to be worthy Or Rash who's obviously going to miss some games When the disciplinary action comes down Yeah it's probably worthy just because Yeah rice will probably miss like from what I'm reading 4 to 5 games Okay And then who are the bills going to

Are they going to win the Super Bowl Are they going to lose in the Super Bowl We'll get there we'll get there just give me a couple more takes He's building to it Don't worry All right I love it

Okay so you want Third take here Or is this fourth I don't know I think this is fourth Because you did Abdul Carter Yeah

Correct yeah This is fourth Okay The Washington Commanders will regress And not make the playoffs This year Whoa

That's a hot take You think Why Why What's your reasoning okay well they did sign terry mccloren today which was big for them and you know i do like the signings of debo samuels and bobby wagner um but you know they've they've lost some key players they lost jonathan allen who is awesome on defense they have a very tough schedule they play at green bay

at kansas city at philly um and last year if you look at it they were eight and two in one score games as well. And they were 87% I'm reading this 87% fourth down conversion rate. So when you can buy in the fourth down conversion rate in the winning one score games, I just don't think that's going to happen again. They got obviously the Hail Mary that ruined my season last year against the Bears. But I just think last year was kind of a flash in the pan. I think I like Jay Daniels. I think he's he's going to be a superstar quarterback. But I just don't really. believe that they're going to do as well as they did last year. They got rid of Brian

Robinson, who's their leading rusher. So, yeah. What do you think about the rookie running back they've got? Merrick Crockett? What's the new one? Yeah. 5-9, 200 pounds. Missed his last year at a University of Arizona, I believe.

But people like him. He's getting good buzz. And I might have drafted him on my fantasy team. Oh, no, it's going to be. It's going to be Austin Eckler, actually. He's going to be the starting running back. You think he's going to have the job by the end of the season as a 30-year-old running back?

I mean, I'm a depth start right now, and I'm looking at it right now. It has him as a starter to start the season. Well, I've got a big prediction then. Okay. I do not think Austin Eckler will be the starter at running back by the end of the season. Okay, you think he's just going to wear down?

I think they're going to replace him with this rookie with Jacoby Jacori Kroski Merritt I think he will be the starting running back by the end of the year Okay to be honest I haven't seen much of him It looks like he's number two

In the Debt Schar right now So that could obviously easily happen 511 200 pounds I'm sorry I made him a little shorter Um Yeah I don't think they trade Brian Robinson unless they like this kid I like you on the regression

For the commanders though It felt like everything went right last year But then the counter argument is Is Jaden Daniels the guy Where do you see him ending the season In the QB hierarchy I mean, he's definitely out there And he has two great receivers with Devo and McLaren

You know, I don't think he's on the level of like Mahomes or Allen or Burrow Or even really He might be on the level I'm thinking of like maybe like a Herbert You know what I mean? Or he's like really good But he's not necessarily like elite right now You've got him as a tier too guy

You've got him as a tier two guy for the rest of the season. That's a hot take. Wait, say it again? I will not say it again. All right, let's get to your last take. What do you, what are you thinking? Okay, last take. Here we go.

He's got to find his last take. The Detroit Lions, despite losing their offensive coordinator to the Bears and their defensive coordinator, the Detroit Lions will win the NFC. Wow. And yeah, you know, they're in contention. A lot of people think they're in contention, but a lot of people have the Eagles winning. I think when you look at Detroit, their star defensive player, Aidan Hutchinson, he only played

five games last year. And for all the Stokers, if they don't know about Aidan Hutchinson, he is one of the best defensive players in the league, possibly the best that someone, would argue. And they say he's looking good in preseason. He's looking good in training camp. And he's going to come back healthy this year. And if he can stay healthy, that guy is a guy who will get double-digit sacks as well. He's an absolute wrecking ball on the line. And then you look at their offense. I mean, you know, they have Jamar Gibbs and David Montgomery. I think is the best running back combo in the league. A lot of people are going to pick Jamir Gibbs as a top

five fantasy player I think he's the number one running back in fantasy this year I think he's the safest my only concern is that Montgomery will steal some of his touchdowns with the goal line though that's a fair concern is he going to get the volume he needs but I mean every time that guy touches the ball

he is liquid smooth through the hole yeah as am I you have Amman Ross St. Brown obviously one of the best receivers and last year the thing that hurt the lines big time was they were decimated with injuries on defense, constantly having injuries.

And I just don't see a way this year where we'll have the same amount of injuries as they did last year. And I believe if they would have had a healthy defense last year, they would have beat Washington in the playoffs and it would have been a great series of Philly. And now that a lot of people are saying Philly is the team to beat this year after winning the Super Bowl.

But if you look at all they've lost, I'm looking at their roster right now. They lost Hassan Radick and, Josh Slatt and Milton Williams and Isaiah Rogers and... Who are those guys? Who are those last three guys? Are those key guys? They've got like 19 good players.

Yeah, but I mean, if you look at the championship team from last year, those guys all contributed heavily to those wins. Maybe I'm showing my lack of knowledge. I feel like they still got a lot of talent. They got the exciting whites. They got Jalen Carter. They got some defensive playmakers. and then on offense, they're returning everybody.

Yeah, their offense is loaded. They have a great offensive line. My thing is, I think on defense, they're going to take a hit with their team lineman, not being on the team anymore. And I still think they're going to have a good year. I think it's going to be them and the Lions in the NFC championship and the Lions beat them.

And then who's winning the Super Bowl? Give it to us. Okay. So we have a great Super Bowl matchup with the Buffalo Bills and the Detroit Lions, two franchises that have been star for winning. And I'm going with the, Buffalo Bill is finally beating the Detroit lines of the Super Bowl

and slaying the four Super Bowl lost dragon. I love it. I would love to see that. They get all the guys out, Jim Kelly's there, Thurman Thomas. They all come out. They're all there when the trophy's rolled in. It's going to be a beautiful moment, man. Oh, yeah.

And if you guys watch the new Dallas Cowboys documentary, they have a great part of that about the bills when they're facing the Cowboys. And you see how much the Buffalo those fans care. They are some of the best fans in the NFL. They deserve it. You don't see your Bears going all the way?

I wish. I don't know. We've suffered so long. I think we're going to have a good year. I think the Bears will be over 500. I think we can beat for the division. We ultimately lose to Detroit. But I think we see huge strides

of the Bears this year. And also, I want to promote. promo, I have a sports page right now, a sports Instagram, TikTok page at Chud Talk Sports. That's C-H-U-D-T-A-L-K-S-S-P-O-R-T-S. I'll be talking NFL the entire season for the Stokers if you want to tune into my Instagram, TikTok. Yeah, we'll call you back after the first four games of the season to do like a quarterly report. See how the hot takes you're going and see if you got any addendums. Chud, when you're a great guy, hope you have a great sandwich today.

We love you dearly, brother. Love you guys Love you, Chud All right Take care All right late Are we buying any of those takes I want to see

I want to see Bill's lines So you're digging it I'm digging that one All right The Bears having a good season Get out of here dude I'm not in the minutia enough For some of the other stuff

But What's the rover runner On how many games You're going to watch this season Well, that's a good question Because I kind of like I'll turn it on on Sundays And I'll kind of

I won't really watch intently I'm counting background All the Raiders games Oh Candy works most Sundays Oh So what are you watching instead Little Mystic Pizza

Little Pretty Woman Yeah A notebook Great movie Um I mean I'd say 20 to 30

That's a good amount of football I think so I like having it on That's normal dude amount of football Yeah I'll get into some games Like I remember there's one game There's the Falcons playing somewhere

But it was It was a nail biter And when that happens It's the best You know the lines I was really into the lines last year And when they lost I was heartbroken

When the bills lost I was heartbroken It was the game we wanted I wondered if Chudan was just being a little bit like Quentin Tarantino, we wish history went this way. Right. It is, yeah. And when the Rams kind of turned it around last year after they got Pooka back, that was a lot of fun. Be nice if the Rams were good. Who'd they beat? I think they beat like the Chiefs or something. They had like an amazing

win. And the person I knew at the Rams, who I met, she left. But I would text. I'd be like, great win. You got to do that stuff. That's what you're a great guy. It was cool. You appreciate people. You know, I love Southern California. I love L.A. I like Sofi. I like the Rams.

I like Sean McVeigh. I like Stafford. Saw Stafford in Newport walking with a stroller and his family. It looks like a good guy. I like puka a lot. Love puka. Love the way he plays. He's an animal.

Yeah, he's a beast. Tough through contact. Yeah. And I kind of like that people are like the majority of people are like not rams fans i'm like well they need they need a fan that's nice dude i should be a niners fan beef nips says i should be a niners fan i uh i should be a niner's fan because my whole family is but i say nah even though i do like um i like kiddle but who's their quarterback again brock purdy he's i saw him live he's fun to watch live yeah he's good and i like

his story too. You love the underdog story. Dude, I was saying maybe I'd do like, maybe like my next thing is I'll try to like, I had this idea where I'm like, you know, now that I'm getting into football and stuff, I'm like, maybe I'll try to like become a student at Notre Dame and walk onto their team. That could hurt. You think it could hurt? Physically, it's going to hurt. I think here's, here's like. You've never played football. Uh, no. But you. But, you know, but, you here's what I'm thinking. I believe in you. I'll have so much heart that all like move the team in a way where they're like, it makes them play even better. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think, I think that could happen. And you might be asking why Notre Dame. Well, I love Jesus. Touchdown

Jesus is there. Yeah. So, do you like that idea? I love that idea. I think you should go for it. They got a good squad. And they have a cool coach. They do. Pull up Marcus Freeman. Good looking, strong leader. It looked like he was going to do a bad job as the coach. He bungled a few big calls. He messed up a couple times and I was like,

this guy doesn't have it. But then he got them to the Natty last year. Dude, look how yoked he is. Yeah, he was like a four-star recruit in his own day, maybe even five. But he was a stud linebacker, I think. Yeah, he's a man. I'm glad he had a good season.

I was worried. I used to text my brother, he's long for this job but he really surprised us dude one other thing before we depart my fiance wanted to weigh in on the name situation she thought it was really cool that you brought the audience in on the chad croaker thing yeah yeah yeah she thinks she should go by and i don't know have you gotten much feedback on it i haven't got any she thinks you should go by just chad i think so too i that was a tell her thank you um i think so too thank you um I think that's the move because I think most people know, they just know Chad.

The Kroger thing is, I think if I just, I could either announce it or I could just slowly let it drift away. What do you think, chat? What do you think? I liked what, I agreed with her. I thought, I was like, yeah, just chat. Yeah, just chat. And I could see that on flyers and stuff and it's like. It makes more sense.

Chad Allen is, it's too, to, I like. It's too, you could probably integrate that into like more formal stuff, but... It's confusing. Yeah. And it's like, and I don't think it's additive. No. If anything, I think it kind of detracts a little bit. Yeah.

Because Chad Allen just sounds like a regular ass dude. Where if it's just Chad, that's like got like real power and straight. It's almost like Prince or like, you know, one of those... Maybe I should announce it then. I think you should go by just Chad. And there's something hilarious about being like the Prince of Chad's, like just like and like, I'm just doing it. Do you think I should announce it like in the video?

Like, guys, this is what's happening? I'm going by just Chad. Yeah. All other Chads have to have a last name. Yeah. I don't. Like share except with an A and a D. Every other name distracts from the pureness of the Chad.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. It's a big thing you're grappling with, brother. Thanks. I mean, it's no freaking joke, dude. What's the name going to be? That'd be pretty hilarious. All right.

Sweet, guys. Fun one. What's up? No, I was it. Dude, thanks to Dave Nebone, the man, Chads, you. I mean, you're coming hot with your fire interviewer. Oh, thanks, man.

But next week we're doing a, it's been a lot of interviews. So next week we're doing a... Are we doing a draft? We're doing a draft, right? Yeah, yeah. And it's been a while since the draft. We know we were tiring you guys out with them. We were getting tired, too.

So we're excited for to mix it up. Yeah, we're switching. it up. Dude, my kids freaking daycare, they're having trouble going to sleep so the daycare saying they got a nap at home because it's like distracting. That's wild. Yeah, they tried for like a day. Yeah. And now I got to go pick them up. And, and now you, so. I'm frustrated. When did you have to, when do you have to pick them up now? Like now, yeah, I got to go. Damn. I know. They're like, we tried for a couple minutes. They're not, they're not falling asleep, come grab them. Does that happen like with like every kid? I think because there's two of them. It is more challenging. It is more challenging.

And I think my son is making a fuss, but I'm like, the name of your thing is daycare, right? Like, this is part of what we're paying for it. Yeah. Not to be rude. I don't know. I'm mixed on it, but I was disappointed. It's annoying. It ruins your day.

It ruined my schedule. It's going to be all week. I got to sleep training myself. Yeah. On like how to, I'm going to get like cots that look like daycare, put them in the room, keep the lights the same way and like try to train them to get used to it. That's a lot. And I'm looking forward to that.

It'll be a fun process. But I wasn't expecting it. And now my whole schedule is in, you know, in slack. Yeah. Well, do you want to call out the daycare by name? No, definitely not. Dude, I got no leverage. They got me right by the way.

And dude, the thing is they argue in nice people voice. So I didn't even know I was getting told what to do. They were like, hi, so what we're going to do? She's the sweetest lady you've ever seen him. She's like, so we're just going to pick him up early and you're going to take them home and you're going to do it all week. And then we'll take them back when they're a little more adjusted. Okay, thank you.

And then I was in the car and I was like, oh. Yeah. I was like, I just got owned. Yeah. Because she didn't come at me straight on She came at me I didn't even feel it going in Dude

What's happening to this country Bro I don't know Back in the day dude You used to send your kid to daycare And they could light off a pipe bomb And they'd have to keep them No I mean back in the day If your kid didn't go asleep

They'd be like give them some coating I'm like knock them out Yeah You guys got pills don't you Yeah You don't have to tell me But I know you got them Yeah

Just look at me Hold your stare for three seconds All right you got the pills Give them half Yeah we'll see what happens all right all right

What are you are going to be? I'm going to think It's got in certainty