Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 405 - Kevin Fard is Reasonably Suspicious

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Today we are joined by our Lawyer, Kevin. We start off the pod with a brand new, stoker requested dong song. We dive deep into the legal system and how it is changing in real time. We also call King Hog Joe to talk football and get "predictions" for the season. The bros then dial in Alana Evans, an adult film actress who is the president of the union for performers and talk about her experience in the industry and how it has changed with new platforms and independent creators. #goingdeepwithchadandjt #chadandjt NEXT BROS BEFORE JOES SHOW (SEPT 19) HERE: https://www.showclix.com/event/joes-september19th We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://shop.chadandjt.com/ Come see us on Tour! Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Thanks to our Sponsors:Brotege: The Best Skincare products for bros - get started today for just 10$ Visit https://www.brotege.com/deep PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

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And now, stokers, let me introduce you to the cool sounds of daddy. How long, how long is just done? I've never seen his shaft. He won't celebrate his shlong. Sitting in my home with three inches. I saw his dong through a telegraph Fuck my mind, but it made me laugh A million songs is the only path

I'm gonna sing a song Till he drops that slung Inches are the only thing I see When I search for something larger than a tree When it Bust it makes me feel free, I'm gonna sing a song till he drops that dung. Sing a song till he drops that dung.

Sing a song, drop that schlung. How long, how long is just dong? I've never seen his share. I won't celebrate his dung. Sitting at home with my three inches. How long, how long is just done? I've never seen his share. If he won't

Celebrate his schlong Sitting out home with my three inches Let's go, dude Those were the cool sounds of Daddy A.k.a. Kevin Fard. J.T. You want to give a shout out to whoever recommended that. Yeah, Eli Miller, what up, dude.

Eli Miller, I couldn't think of a song, so that's the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Chili Dongs. There's a great suggestion, dude. And you were a little bit worried about it because you thought it was already about Dong? No, I wasn't worried about it. I was saying the song, I was just noticing that the song might already be a Don song. Yeah. Which makes it even better to, you know.

Because you don't have to change much. The parts are already there. Usually I change all the lyrics, but I kept the first part because it's just how long, how long. It sounds like a dong song. You're going to have to ask Anthony Keaton. Was that the easiest lift you've ever had? The easiest intro, yeah, because I usually, I want to change it.

I want to change it, but I couldn't change that. It was too perfect. Right. And how long did it take you to write? Does it just flow through you? Yeah, once I start writing it, it's, well, we don't. did it at the last pot it's it's a 10 15 minutes is your muse just like a you know just a total is it is it a shaft how was it though how was it was it was fantastic yeah i want to know is your

muse uh it was a shaft or is it a full package with wings on it that just comes into your ear and just shoots a load yeah it's just a load straight into my mind you got a load bearing mind yeah it's not just me too i've a lot of your listeners have been um been messaging me I think we gotta give a shout out to a guy named Cream Jeans Great guy

Oh dude I think he's number one He sent me audio He wrote his own Dong song And he's serenading me through Instagram Wow You guys want to hear that We can do that

Cream Jeans is an absolute legend And then another guy A few people are sending me Full-on songs That I They're just writing all the lyrics out Originals Well covers

But I mean Dong lyrics. That's awesome. Yeah, Creen Jeans, you know, we got into it a little bit

on the last pod via the chat, but he's a great guy. Yeah. And I love him. And how's things with Harrison? How's your son? Who?

Your son? Oh, my son. Yeah. He's good. He's still alive, right? I know. That's the big thing, man. Yeah, he's in daycare right now.

he's uh he's taking shits that's good toilet in the body uh that's good we're about to start doing the training well you're so good yeah they're still diapered up i'm like a little bit reluctant to transition why the diapers are easy yeah but then you don't have to clean up shit and also the the stink i know you probably have like a diaper bin but it's just the stink of the diaper i was cleaning out the diaper bin last night i was like and i was like i can't believe if i've gotten used to this because it is a putrid smell. I mean, you've made a pretty radical shift in your, I'd say before having kids, you didn't want anything to do with duty or farts.

Yeah. And now, how do you feel about it? No, I realized I had to change. Even before the kids were born, I was like, man, I don't really like, like, viscera and, like, juices and body noises. I didn't hear you don't like juices. And then my now fiancé, I was like, she's going to be delivering a kid. A lot of that stuff's going to be there and might happen.

So I started prepping myself. I started being like, hey, let's dump with the doors open. Let's get intimate. And now I don't even notice. I had a similar thing happen. I didn't really like farts that much. What? I just didn't.

When I was a kid, I did. But then it's a similar thing where I, not to out her, but I heard my fiance. they toot and it kind of I was like that was pretty sick and like not a gross way in like an epic way Yeah close

And I was like I was like dude I think parts kind of ripped So you're saying when you were a kid You didn't like farts? No when I was a kid I loved them Oh yeah when I was like Young adult I don't know what it was

You're trying to be subversive You're trying to be cool I don't like farts Yeah I think so I don't know if I was trying to be subversive I think um is that the wrong word you know I think it was probably because you didn't like farts either no I was pretty adamantly against him god god I'm the only one who stayed true to myself but I was single too and I was I think I was my number one thing was trying to uh meet a lady

or meet a bunch of ladies and I just felt like farts were not helping well why'd you have to combine the two you could have a good fart humor with your friends and I like to be very disciplined. I'm like, if you live your life or you're half farts, half not farting, it's, they're all going to bleed together. You're just going to be farts all day. Did I have told you guys the time I made, uh, um, Stephanie, uh, she just had a complete breakdown. I farted on her once and, uh, she was like, uh, we were like cuddling. And I think she was trying to be like cute and she cuddled on me, like, and she was behind me. And I just ripped a fat, like I had a fat

juicer and it like vibrated her whole body it was incredible and then I don't something snapped in her quartered a light socket yeah something snapped into her where she just started just bawling like a complete like melt

like a she was just crying and all this it was it was like I did something way different to her but it was hilarious so what I did is

I, to prevent myself from laughing while she was crying, I went into the bathroom so I could laugh in the bathroom because it was so funny. Yeah. That not only the fart was funny, but the fact that she was like, it just, it just destroyed. They just destroyed her. Yeah, it's like, it's like I, it's like a finishing move. She was like a prisoner in Guantanamo, but she chose it. She almost 5150ed herself based on that.

Wow. It was, it was, it was, uh, so yeah, I was just sitting on the, How many times had you farted to get her to that point? I don't think a lot. I feel like I'm farting more now, just because as you get older, I feel like I'm developing more of an intolerance stuff. That surprises me, because for her to be at such a breaking point, it feels like there should have been a lot of farts before that's what was funny about it.

No, no, because it was, yeah, it wasn't like I was just farting on her all day. It was, it wasn't a relentless assault of farts. Yeah, and I wasn't like. She didn't come home from work, you didn't put her down in a chair and just start tooting. I wasn't farting on her. that was the first time my ass cheeks were on her I mean we had pants on and stuff but the vibrations it was like an earthquake how many years into it

the relationship was this I would say just like a couple maybe oh okay it was it was early on it was still when I was living in when we were living next to each other back in West Hollywood did you try to comfort her or no I went into the bathroom and and so well I could you could say that is comforting her by

not laughing in her face. I went into another room to remove myself. And so when you came back out. I was probably still laughing a little bit. I mean, I don't remember what exactly happened later, but she got herself together. As a lawyer, were you worried at all? Were you like, hey, you're going to have to sign this?

She was crying like somebody in her family died. Right. Damn. That's interesting. Dude, J.T. So, Steelers won yesterday. Yeah, I look good, dude. How do you feel about Aaron Rogers?

I love him, man. I think he's one of the coolest guys that ever lived. I've always been a huge fan of his. I, um, you know, I turn it off before he does his interviews. But as far as I'm concerned, if he wins us a Super Bowl, I'll suck his dick. Because he beat the Jets by one point. Dude, but I can't remember the last time we, did we score 30 last year more than once? like he he had four touchdowns we we've never we haven't had a passing attack like that since like

i don't know uh 2017 because ben rothusberger was kind of busted the last couple years so it was against the jets don't you have do you have to have a decent defensive players i mean but they're the jets i mean don't you have to have like a they have to play a few who are they playing next week baby i'm not saying um everything's perfect and we're in a tough division and stuff but Although everybody else in the division kind of looked like crab. I mean, Ravens looked good for a half. They looked like the best team of all time, and then they fell apart. But no, I mean, I'm just glad the team looked good.

We were moving the ball. And Justin Fields against his old team? He looked pretty good, actually. Fields looked good. I like Fields. No one dislikes Fields. It's just he's a little limited. When you get to like third and long, you don't have much confidence.

I'd much rather have Rogers in that spot. Yeah, the Niners won. Niners did a good win. It was brutal. I wouldn't call it a good win, but it was a good game. I wouldn't call it a good game. It was pretty brutal. The Niners should have just rolled through and the kicker missed another field goal.

He's been having troubles over the last few years. He doinked it. Yeah, the first field go from like 20 yards. It's so funny they call it a doink. And then the momentum just shifted. But the Niners pulled it off. Yeah, he doinked it. JT, what did you think about Oasis?

Dude, it was sick, man. It had a lot to live up to because the word everyone's been using is that it's biblical. Yeah. So for me, that's a very high, you know, threshold to kind of break through. And then went with my brother, was going to drive. And then I realized the parking space I bought, they said it was 15 minutes away. It was a 50 minute walk from the road. 5-0?

So you didn't take an Uber? So I took an Uber. My brother gave me a heads up. He's like, bro, it's like an hour away. I was like, what the hell? So took an Uber, dropped me close. I had to take a shit. It took a shit at one of those outdoor toilets at the Rose Bowl.

super nice. Rolled in, found my brother quick. We got some bruskees. We got to our seats. And I was pretty sick. But dude, I had close seats, but there was a stand shit in the way and I couldn't see Noel Gallagher. And it was kind of frustrating me.

So I was listening to a couple songs. And also I was like kind of in the lower bowl. And one of my favorite things in concerts just kind of look around and check everybody out. Yeah. And I didn't really have space to do it. So I got high. And it was annoying.

But I told my brother, I was like, dude, I think I got to switch seats. I think we got to move. And so I just stood next to other people's seats at like the, where the low bowl goes to the high bowl, like just along the walkway. And I just stood there. My brother was a little uncomfortable, but then he was like, dude, I know you're just an erotic guy now and I accept you. And that meant a lot.

Yeah. My brother accepting me like that. Sounds like a fun concert. Sounds like Oasis. And then we just rock the fuck out. But dude, they just have the best songs. When they did their encore, It's Don't Look Back in Anger, Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova.

I mean, we were going bananas. Four guys actually left. They came up to me and they went, you're awesome. Did they do? Because I was bringing it so hard. Did they do a mash-up with the yellow submarine or Octopus's Garden? Yeah. I was showing the son that he likes that song.

So I was showing him a little bit of the Aeases stuff. It was amazing. And the crowd was amazing. Everybody was so happy. Like you just look around and you just see people's faces like in pure bliss. I did feel some cynical thoughts, though. Like, there was moments where I was looking at them, and I was like, this is just a cash grab for these bros.

Yeah. Like, I was like, I don't know if their hearts. I will say, I think when Noel was singing, I felt more heart than when Liam was singing. And I love Liam Gallagher. He's the ultimate rock star. But I did think, like, I was like, oh, did they just kind of build up this whole.

marketing hype train and I did I just kind of buy into it that thought hit me kind of early on and I had to like wrestle my way through it I'm a little confused what was their marketing hype train I feel like they just announced their tour and all the fucking people just did it themselves I guess but like when that video of them singing in Cardiff I think it was of them doing it acquiesce came out and it was the two bros I mean as they always do singing the chorus and everyone was like the brothers are back together and like all the comments were like the world's falling apart but we got we got oasis back and then at the beginning of the concert they did like like a pre-roll where they showed all these tweets like the brothers are never getting back together wait are they and it was like this thing and something about it felt like like orchestrated to me i saw a video of people were like at this one of the stadiums and they were in the hallway and everybody was singing in unison when they're yeah don't look back in anger and i said that that's not for me i want to be in this fucking no that part was i mean i liked that like that like singing don't look back anger with 100,000 people was sick and me and my brother were like

punching each other and stuff and just going crazy but um yeah I don't know it was a I had like 95 million different and I would do in one when they played Wonderwall I've never felt so in love in that moment my fiance wasn't there but I was just like

it really went all the way through me and I was like damn man I really love this girl I'm seeing a I'm seeing Neil Young on Monday hey that'll be great I've been listening to a lot of CSNY we might have an extra ticket I'll let you know what it's on Monday

dude I might if I if that's too much good life for me I don't deserve that at the bowl Hollywood bowl it's nice too much good life I mean I saw Oasis I was like dude I've seen Oasis and Bruce and the replacements

I could die a happy man you know and it was funny a lot of my favorite songs they played were not the songs that are traditionally my favorites like I loved roll with it master plan those are not normally the ones that get me the most amps, but they sound so good in concert. They were amazing. Did Liam have some good

riffs in between songs? He didn't talk a lot. Oh, really? He did like two or three riffs, maybe. Oh, man. He did one. He's like, I was swimming out in Santa Monica, and a shock came out of the water. And I was like, what's your name? He's like, Frank. He's like, what are you doing here? I'm like, I'm with the oasis. He's like, oh, you're not going to like these California crowds. They kind of just go like this. I saw a video there. Yeah, yeah. And it was funny, and he had some good moments, but no, they didn't talk much. Now, what about the ladies at the concert where because you said it was like a religious experience was so come i'm imagining some women couldn't contain themselves and they were flashing uh the band didn't see any judge you just see

any titties you know it was also you didn't see any tities no it uh sorry i i was going up to women there uh it was probably 65 percent dudes seven percent dudes it was older guys there was younger dudes there too but i'd say the average age was probably 42 or something because I mean when did uh definitely maybe come out like 93 or something so the youngans don't listen to oasis someone described it it's like it's like Taylor Swift for like

millennials and boomers and stuff so but it was it was amazing my brother is just the greatest guy in the world that you could ever go to uh and then I was so he was standing this was the best one my brother was sitting at the seats that we bought and I was just like roaming the premise just like trying to find

the best spot in vantage point and then slideaway is like one of my favorites of their songs and I was like I was telling him on the way I was like bro slide away so sick and then it came on and we both went running back to each other it was like a rom-com like I heard it I was like I gotta be with my brother and then he heard he said I gotta be with my bro

and then we were running back that's awesome it was nice and then last thing I realized I get really mad when I go out in public with my fiance if she leaves my side like if she goes and does her own thing I'm like that's so rude how could you do that I realized I do that to everybody else

Yeah, like when I was in Vegas I kept ditching to go do my own thing And then when I was at the concert I was like hey man I got to kind of walk around Yeah Yeah so just big big hypocrisy by me there How was Vegas you going to any titty bars Um

I didn't but some of the Some titty like six times already Treasure yeah Treasures got a lot of Positive buzz Treasure? Treasures was the name of the strip club Oh is that where you went? Oh you didn't go You went? I can't say nothing

then. But if you were to have gone, how would it have been? Lights out. Nice. Top, top, top, top. Treasures. Yeah, okay, treasures, yeah. Do you think, okay, so for me, Oasis has the best melodies.

I know you'd say the Beatles. I think Oasis has the best melodies. Harmonies, you're a big harmony guy. Who, do you go Beach Boys or CSNY? But first of all, Oasis has a good, a lot of their songs. are good melodies. That's why they're good songs. A good melody makes a good song.

Not just good melodies, the best melodies. They don't have the best melodies. They got the best melodies by a country mile. They keep escalated. Their greatest hits, the amount of good melodies they have in their greatest hits is like one Beatles album. And that's not a dig against Oasis.

You don't know Oasis that well. I do. What the fuck are you talking about? I've heard the songs. You don't know their B sides. You know rocking chair? Oh, so you're talking about why are they B sides? These just are incredible that everybody knows

Because their artistic output in that two years Couldn't be contained on for them And you can't be objective about it Who can be objective about art No one I want to be friends with So listen to me here The melodies are great But I wanted to ask you a different question

Whose harmonies do you prefer Because I've been big into harmonies lately I love CSNY Do you go CSNY Or do you go Beach Boys So harmonies You've you've hit the nail on the head To the Harmonies bands

That's right, yeah. The Beach Boys and CSNY are the top. Are the top. And they're different. They're different. And I'm not even going to give you. So I would say the complexity of the harmonies, the Beach Boys, you would think if you, they're derived off like the people, I think like a 50s band called like the Four Horsemen, you know where they would do that. But then Brian Wilson made both his music and the harmonies so complex.

If you hear each harmony broken down and it's just insane. So I would say the complexity of the Beach Boys harmonies, I would give it to them on that. But then the CSNY harmonies, the harmonies are so perfect that you can't even hear all of the singers. So David Crosby was basically in the middle of the harmony. So Stephen Stills will be the low end. Graham Nash will hit all the high stuff and Crosby's perfectly in the middle but his harmony is so perfect

if you listen to all of their songs you cannot identify his voice in there and you think well you can't identify his voice that's not no he's he's blending he's blended in there so perfectly so I don't even I don't even want to pick a pick a winner on that I don't think we need to pick a winner I just think you need to know

he got scared when the pressure no no it's not pressure it's not pressure You need a dip in both of them. You need to sit back, take an edible, and just listen to both of them and enjoy it. Also, we should call ourselves out. You mostly, because I did it someone intentionally because I was playing to your bias.

But the fact that you said those are the peak of harmonies and you're not including black artists, the temptations, boys to men, it really speaks to your blinders when it comes to where music really comes from, which is the brothers. I do like the brothers. And I love boys to men.

I would prefer. I would prefer Crosby still as a Nash harmony of Boys of Men, but Boys to Men fucking slaps. Yeah, they can sing. I know and bend in need some good stuff. Yeah. Well, that was good harmony talk. But there are, yeah, a lot of good harmonies,

Motown stuff and stuff like that. But I would actually prefer just instead of those Motown harmonies, just like a singer like Sam Cook, who just on his own is just... Force of nature. Insane. Yeah, no, beautiful, beautiful stuff. Cupid, draw back your bowl.

The white guys need to combine. Right. Okay, the brothers can, they can just do it themselves. Solo superhero versus more of like a Power Rangers ensemble thing. And when they combine, I'm telling boys to, you're saying like white guys are like hawk-eye, black guys are like Thor. Yeah, I guess. I don't know, I don't know that stuff.

terms of overall power capacity yeah all right well Kevin you know we brought you on here you're an expert in a lot of things uh Casey and Jojo cream jeans with a that that's a good song yeah all my life yeah yeah beautiful oh Joe's fat dong it makes me want to some I could see that it down tonight oh just don I can't think of another I would never

find another penis bigger than yours bigger than yours I never find another I got I got I got I got I got it sounds good I've never seen one so long that was good

and i thank god joe's dad for his massive shaft and i think i won't ever find another cock no okay yeah i like that i like that so this is a i pray for this is a good song this is a good song i pray for jo's and i i forget how they say and i hope you feel the same way too Fucking me, you fuck my father. Fucking me, you fuck my sister. Fucking me, you fuck my brother. Maybe that's the next one. Maybe that's, one's our show.

The 19th, September 19th. Ted, your voice has gotten better. You sounded good there. Oh, dude, thanks. I've been vaping. So I think it's giving it some texture. Nice. Well, you go.

All right. Well, Kevin, you're an expert in many things, but professionally you are a lawyer. So we bring you on for your legal advice. Technically, I'm a lawyer, but, you know. And we bring you on for your passionate perspective on all things going on in the world. So we're at a good intersection right now. The emergency docket for the Supreme Court is robust.

We have a president. On my life, thinking about your dong. And I think twice when I see him bust. Oh, my love. I pray for a dong like his. But I won't stroke it till he whips it a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha no, there's something you could have done better at the end. I won't stroke it till he. Bus?

Resist? I don't know. Tilly bused fully. I won't find a no no. Tilly bus in my bus seat. I won't find another shaft. I will never find another shaft. As fat as Joe's, as fat as Joe's, and I will never blow another man who makes me feel fool, who makes me feel fool.

Oh, your balls are on my chin, they're on my nose, sweat is all over my throat. All I get is jizz in my head. Now we've got to go to bed. Kevin, have you ever had any of few good men moments in court where you're like, did you? Did you, did you swallow the load? Did you swallow the load? Did you swallow the load? Um, I've, I've had a few.

I'm, I have a, I can't talk about it, but I have a hearing tomorrow where things might get a little wacky. Colonel Jessup ordered, Colonel Jessup swallowed the load because it's exactly what you told him to do. Yeah. You had, you had Markinson stroked the shaft. You coerced the doctor. you doctored the you doctor the jiz books well that

that would be difficult in a real courtroom because you're asking so many questions is that how it was in the movie I can't remember you just got to ask one question at a time he's on tilt at that point though

he knows he might be like getting himself but I don't know if there's different rules in the military court jag but you usually just have to like and the court's called

jag jag You got to ask one question at a time. If you ask multiple questions, it's in one, it's called, it's called, it's called calm, compound, pound, pound. Pound. Pound. Okay, but you have a big case tomorrow.

What can you tell us? I can't tell you anything. Okay, let's skip it. It's just a fucked up situation. So you came in here, you had something on your chest that you wanted to explain to the Stokers. We have a busy emergency docket at the Supreme Court. we have an executive branch that is expanding the powers of, you know, its unitary function every day.

There's three big cases there right now. Can you explain to us what the California lawsuit is right now against Kristen Nome from Homeland Security? Well, I gave you a couple cases to a couple opinions to read. So actually, I gave you homework. And I want to hear what your thoughts on it are. I just want to see if you digested it. This is like a test.

Whoa. I want to see if J.T. is ready for law school. So Christy Nome is being sued by California. Yeah. Well, and she's being sued. It's a class action lawsuit, which is different from just having like a single plaintiff. And it's against Homeland Security.

There's other people named beyond Kristen Nome. But it basically, it's just like ice was in L.A. A bunch of people who were wrapped up in the ice race. sued the department of Homeland Security ICE or whatever and now it's going to the Supreme Court and they're saying that the let me wait I can do this okay I can do this okay so there's two things that everybody agrees on and there's been two violations in these detainments now everyone agrees ice can carry out its federal job of deporting people of taking illegals and sending them out of the country

but there's been two violations that everyone basically agrees are wrong and that need to be adjudicated one that you can't just grab you can't just be roving around driving and be like hey there's mexicans let's go grab them right you have to have reasonable suspicion right it used to be probable cause until terry versus ohio supreme court 68 and then it got yeah i did i did background i don't know if that's uh yeah but no i did more research yeah but terry is the terry is the reasonable suspicion yeah can you can you explain the difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion so probable cause i i But, you know, probable cause is what you use for as a basis to arrest somebody.

You need probable cause to arrest somebody. Reasonable suspicion is what you need to detain somebody or just to stop somebody. So to make your initial contact, you need reasonable suspicion. You need probable cause to, you know, go forward with an arrest of that person. Probable cause, you can just think of it like a little more than reasonable suspicion. I would say think of it like probable cause you need like a, just like a likelihood that what you suspect is true. So you don't need to have like irrefutable evidence, but you know, like if you pull somebody over for a and you suspect them of a DUI, you need probable cause. They call it,

you have to use what's called the totality of the circumstances. And so in 68 before then, it was always probable cause. And then this guy saw three dudes like casing a joint, off duty cop, and he arrested him and found a cop a gun on one of the guys. And it was actually kind of nice. The crooks were two black guys and a white guy. So even back in 68, people working together. But it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court sides with the cop that he had reasonable suspicion. And that becomes the new precedent, which allowed for things like stop and frisk to exist.

And it's called a Terry stop. It's called Terry stop. And then so that in the 90s, you see Giuliani kind of established that as citywide policing in New York, which ends up getting stopped because of Floyd v. New York in 2013, which was a class action lawsuit that investigated the prejudice involved in stop and frisk. 90% of the people were Latino or black. He did a... Right.

So in 68, the guy was... was, you know, he saw them casing the joint, but they were basically just loitering outside. Yeah, and they kept going back and forth and they looked suspicious, and he had enough reason to stop them. But what also helped was that it was two black guys and a white guy, because then that case was perfect for law enforcement because they could say it was race neutral. He wasn't doing it because they were black. There was a white guy there. So it helped him a lot in that instance. But what's going on now is that it's a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and the Fifth Amendment because you can't just drive around and grab people because they're Mexican.

And you have to have reasonable suspicion beyond just the color of their skin. And then the other thing is they're not giving these people legal access. Did you read the facts and the allegation? I wanted you to read what describe some of what these people are alleging happen to them. Yeah. I mean, there was one guy who showed his ID was a citizen and they said, like, we don't care. And they beat him up, threw him in the back of like a paddy wagon and shipped him off. And then he ended up getting out, but never got any like restitution for any of it.

I'm forgetting the other specific instances. I did read them though. You did a good job, J.T. Okay? And if you were in class, I would say you did your homework. Thank you. So basically we're talking about reasonable suspicion, right?

Yeah. So when ICE goes, when they're going on, I sent you a video of it today. They were at the Hollywood Home Depot, right? Reasonable suspicion, whether it's an immigration law, or criminal law, all has the same basic requirement. You need reasonable suspicion that somebody committed a crime.

So in the criminal context, if you want to go, let's say you see a person standing on the street, you can't just go up and detain that person. And that's what Terry was dealing with. You need to have a specific, they're called articulable facts that that person committed a crime or to give you some reasonable, and the keywords reasonable suspicion that that person committed a crime. Same thing with immigration. You need reasonable suspicion, let's say, that that person is here illegally. Okay. And the key to that is it's reasonable suspicion that a person did something. But what they're doing now is they're going on these huge raids, right?

And they're just, they're just basically grabbing everybody and then going through and taking everybody oh well you look you look mexican you were at this home depot and they're using these generalized um you know they're using these generalized like stereotypes to just gather everybody and then it doesn't matter if you're a citizen or not we're just detaining you um because you're in this uh situation and and so because they're not following these rules the thing that's scary because i think to a lot of people they'll say oh well it there is enough it may not be legally defensible, but to someone who's just hearing it, they'll say, oh, but like, if you are Mexican, that might be enough for reasonable suspicion.

I think it might be helpful to sort of clarify what in, so basically these people as a class action are suing the government saying that these ice raids, I forgot how they describe it, where they just, you know, roll into like a workplace or a Home Depot or something around. Roving raids violate the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizures because they don't have reasonable suspicion for these stops. Like if you think that, you know, somebody working at the Home Depot or somebody hanging out the Home Depot, if you have reasonable suspicion, hey, we know this guy entered the country illegally on this date and we have this specific information and he skipped out on his court hearing or after that he, you know,

he was convicted of some crime, go to that Home Depot and detain that person. But what they're doing is they're just using, they're saying, oh, well, we might. might have information of somebody in that general area and then once they get there they're just using that as an excuse to just round everybody up that looks that basically looks Mexican can't speak English and stuff so that's the basis of it the particular people that are suing in their description of what happened to them there are citizens basically that one fucking guy was sitting at a bus stop waiting to go to work and I guess this was the one I'm talking about yeah they're just sitting at the bus stop I raids the bus stop takes him and I think that might be the

where they asked he said hey I'm a citizen and they said he had idea and they said but you don't have a passport they said prove it and he gave him that his California real ID and they said that's not that's not good enough that's that we're still going to arrest you and yeah and who the fuck carries around their passport so the the the the question um so what happened is hot girls what did you say nothing you're trying to distract me no no please let's keep cooking okay so what is going on right now is they are suing the federal government and they asked the court for what's called a temporary restraining order or a TRO and it's basically an order for the government to stop doing it which i guess in in these days doesn't really fucking matter because the government is still doing whatever they want but so the TRO was granted then the government appealed to the ninth circuit ninth circuit um which is the The appeals court before the Supreme Court denied their appeal, said that these are legal, confirmed that these are legal stops. And then now the government is applying to the Supreme Court.

And what they're saying is what the district court in the Ninth Circuit said is that the government's using generalized stereotypes about people to make these detainments instead of individualized things. And they're basing it on four factors, basically the person's, the appearance of the person's race. So if they look Mexican or they have brown skin, that's one of the factors. And they're basically saying using that as just a factor to create reasonable suspicion is not a basis for reasonable suspicion. Because it's generalized. And the reason is because it can apply to the entire, a whole huge segment of the population. right and in in because if you can assume this is why it should be scary for non-brown people too is that if the government is allowed to assume someone is not a citizen and they can detain them

without legal representation and they can deport them without any sort of real hearing or or or trial then they can do it to you too and it would it would establish legal precedent that basically the government can just assume anyone isn't a citizen yeah and so those are then the right to counsel is a separate issue So what they're saying, too, is they would get, so the first factor is how you look. The second factor is where you are, like the workplace. So they basically say, oh, well, you know, we, the government's basically saying, we, we think that, you know, these Home Depot's, you know, have a lot of illegal aliens. So we can just, we can just go there and round everybody up that looks like that based on the fact that there's illegal aliens there.

But then again, again, a large segment of the population. that is at Home Depot, works at Home Depot and stuff, fall into citizens or legal, legal... So is there people in the class action lawsuit who are not citizens who are part of the case?

Or were all the testimonials that I was reading legal residents and or citizens? I think they... I can't remember. I'm pretty sure the ones that they were used were the citizens that got caught out. Right, because they wouldn't use someone who was an alien.

But, well, they could, because it would apply I mean you're still guarantee those constitutional rights. If you're not like the specifically targeted person

then then it should still you should still have these protections. Yeah but I think that's why it's important to mark again that it's a fear the the issue the bigger issue is this

you're rounding up people you're getting a lot of some of them are like you know you can see videos of this They're guys, they're vatos in East L.A. They clearly born here and their citizens and stuff. But now they're having to sort of defend themselves.

Orale. Yeah. They're just fucking having to defend themselves. And so that, the main issue is, you know, this is the slippery slope. If you can just, um, yeah. So you could, you could just round up everybody, everybody that our citizens could get subjected to it. That's what it is.

And people are like, oh, like, you don't get those same rights. if you're not here legally. And I'm like, but the issue isn't that. The issue is that they're assuming they're not here legally. That's where the issue in governance comes. And they get fully deported. All this. That has happened.

I would like to see more details on that before I speak concretely too, but that's the fear and I think that has happened. There's been incidents where they deported, even before this current Trump admin, where they deported citizens. Well, what's the... On accident. What about the guy who was a citizen who was sent to like an El Salvadorian?

Oh, Kilmar-Irago. So he wasn't technically a... a citizen he was here illegally and then he got to stay from a judge during a biden's term where he was like because you have political reasons for being here i won't force you to go home but he was never a legal resident but they uh they brought him back and now he's facing charges but it's the gist of it is basically for something different for something different than his illegal status if you're if you're in l.a and you're mexican or if you're persian like daddy and you have brown skin you're in the wrong place at the wrong time

it's not Kevin was saying they're coming for me it's yeah or or JT who has Latino in him but I look more Jewish yeah or yeah so if you know we should I mean I guess

if you're okay with sort of like a police state where you know that's just part of the game that if I'm going to get fucking rounded up today then you know that's that's America so we can get rid of all these all these people that are working at car washes or going to work on bus stops and stuff.

But I just don't think it lines up at all with sort of anything related to this country about how reasonable suspicion are the laws. The second issue is the right to counsel. So you have in the Fifth Amendment and Sixth Amendments, you have a right to counsel. So what they're saying is, after they round these people up,

they would take him to downtown L.A. And put him in, I think what they described it as like B-18, which is just this tiny, cell where people could barely even lay down and they would just be sitting in there for hours and days they would restrict these people's access to even talk to their lawyer

so again if you can imagine in these people's case you're a fucking citizen they have arrested you for being they say you're Mexican and you look illegal and maybe you have an accent and you're now in this like dystopian nightmare of you're in this little cell in downtown L.A and you can't even fucking talk to your lawyer

and your lawyer finds out he goes there and they're making the lawyers wait for eight hours, nine hours just not letting them have just basically any access to what you sort of guaranteed in the Constitution. So it's both

of those things. So again, if what the big issue here is like let's just turn it on its head okay? So right now it's Mexico. Mexicans, but think about this, J.T. Yeah. Who in our country does a lot of the mass shootings? Is there a particular, the mass shootings, the school shootings?

The last one was trans, which was tough for us. Okay. But generally, but I think that person was white, and generally it's white guys. White males or whatever in their, what, like 18 to like 22 years old? Yeah. Okay, well, an example of the same thing. we'll get okay well you know this is this group of people they're white they're um they don't they don't have sex a lot probably they're jacking off a lot online oh my god they um they're gonna

start rounding up virgins they're in a school maybe maybe they have some maybe maybe they have some suspicion that yeah they might reasonable suspicion that you're a virgin i still look like a virgin no white you're white you're avert you look like no no not even that you're a virgin you look like you're a virgin, which a lot of, a lot of guys, well, let's go to the community college, there's a lot of people that look like versions, we can tell, white, you're not, and no officer, no officer, I fuck, officer, I fuck, where's your proof that you fuck? I fuck, show me, yeah, I got no proof. Yeah, the virgin rates. I delete all the photos when the girls asked me to you. My girlfriend's in Canada, bro. Yeah, so they can, why can't

the government just come up and go round up your entire class of all the dudes in your class put you in a little fucking cell and uh first they came for the mexicans and i did nothing because i wasn't mexican then they came for the virgins the white virgin then they came for me and there was no chicks to stand up for me because i was a virgin huh oh what dude yeah i mean kevin have you ever been to a court case where someone has had to prove that they fuck huh well we're not there yet but that but this is a future where it could very well be possible they're going to round up the virgin you're going to be in trouble partner just play devil's advocate here you know i'm just as a guy who fucks well i'm not yeah i'm not you're not you're not

I'm just trying to stir up the debate. Wouldn't that be kind of sick? If you had to prove you fuck, like you get intentionally arrested. Like if the government's like, the government's like, if people are you going to prove it. Let's not, forget that part.

Let's just say the government is like, dude, you fuck, you're released. And then you have proof. Proof. Like you have it on record. You'd be like, dude, check my record. So you almost entrap yourself so that they're like, hey,

where's the proof that you fuck? And you're like, well, I fuck this chick like four years a text message she sent me saying she she nutted yeah yeah and then let's say you're looking for a job and they're like do you have anything on your record I'm like only that I fuck I was unfairly detained

as a virgin and then they found out I'm actually a pretty prodigious fuck boy yeah you're hired welcome on Microsoft yeah let's just do devil's advocate of we're the next we're the next government that's coming in and there is a there is a crisis here of school shootings by these

by these white virgins why can't we just go up and we got a round up we got to get all the virgins we got to make sure they're not school shooters well you're making an interesting point too though with all these emergency executive orders that trump's laying out it might feel good right now if you're on his side but if we establish this kind of unitary executive power that will if if a liberal gets elected next time then gavin newsom's going to be doing all this trump shit and there's going to be no recourse to stop him i can smell and the congress will be completely impotent to his power do you want that i can smell that's why it's important that we

some checks and balances now brother i can smell the lotion on your hands you fucking virgin get in the get in the truck get in the truck so so kevin for you smells like bitch in here yeah you what you should and then the cops are hot chicks and they come up and test you because you know it's a virgin right just from the shoulders when they're around a smoke dude just to play devil's avic here advocate here you know i'm just trying to stir up the pod um let's say let's say they start rounding at virgins. Wouldn't that give dudes more motivation to get out there and fuck? Oh, that's true.

So you think it's like we're just trying to better. But there has to be. Not that being non-vergent is better. I think that's a worthwhile thought experiment, but there also has to be a realistic pathway to non-verginhood for people. No, but this is the problem. It's a stereotype and some people can fuck all they want, but they're still going to look like a virgin.

Oh, very true. It doesn't change how you look. Yeah. It doesn't? No. No. It doesn't. Maybe sometimes.

You know, I will say my friend Andrew, he came over one day, and my friend Cheyenne was over, and she looked at him, and she's like, he was a virgin. She's like, you had sex last night. She could tell just by the way it looked, he wasn't a virgin. But do you trust the government to make that determination? No, because I don't think every cop is Cheyenne. Yeah, I think there's a lot of virgins in the government. And what if the cops are virgins?

Yeah. You can't tell me, look, no disrespect, but maybe a little bit. You can't tell me J.D. Vance has had sex. I mean, dude, just D.C. in general. You go to D.C. and you go to the Pentagon. except for like the military dudes you're like I don't even know if anyone here fuck but you know Newsom fucks

oh I mean Newsom he did fuck he fucked his best friend's wife yeah I mean News he never seen that his conference where his news conference he apologized his campaign manager's wife I heard two people two people I really care about have you heard the theory that Newsom like you never see

his full body in a shot because he's always getting blown whoa stay relaxed brother I mean I think the night before MLK was assassinated. He was with a different chick and was like calling three others. So think about this. Like in the case, they were describing like when they would round these people up, they would keep the Mexican guys or the guys that look Mexican and let the white guys go. So imagine this scenario when they're rounding up all the kids in the school and they're keeping all the white kids and letting all the black guys go. And it's going to cause, you know, this is going to cause, I thought that would get a bigger laugh. No, I'm just gasped out because I'm, you're My brain is cooking so good on all this stuff you've been throwing out. I think that was a beautiful humorous setup that you put on it.

What I'm saying is this, is this, if the, if the Supreme Court sides with the government on this. The Supreme Court decided with Trump on 15 straight cases, right? So I predicted this when I came here last time. I said this reasonable suspicion issue is going to make its way up there. So what I'm saying is white males from the age of 18 to 22 that either all, virgins or you know what I'm saying are probably you know look like virgins they're coming for you next and it's it's your chance right now to to voice your opinion that we want the government to stay out of our lives of stereotyping us into one category or another so uh for

you that makes sense yeah 100% I think it's it's I'm glad you're bringing this up and you're letting the the stokers know and you're ideal world, what would the law be around deportations and detaining? The law is what is their twist, they're doing, what they're doing is, the law is that if you have reasonable suspicion that somebody is violating an immigration law, you can, you can detain and arrest them, or detain them and then arrest them. The law is already there that they can deport people who they believe have reasonable suspicion and a probable cause that they're here illegally

have violated some laws. That's already the law. Yeah, to play devil's advocate, too, because I do think sometimes liberals just pick on Trump's perspective and they don't really offer anything in its place. It's pretty clear Biden did a bad job at the border, but border crossings are down.

So I think the more fervent debate is what's going on with the people who are here right now. It's like, can you have, can you be deporting people without some level of prejudice involved in the process? Yeah, and the resource I mean, they said, hey, we're going to go after the violent criminals first and all that. So that's a policy argument.

But the law is that the government can do what it needs to do. Now, I guess the problem on their end is they're promising that they're going to deport how many millions of people. Yeah, what did you say? Three million? If they follow the law, you have to go one by one. But this is a way to just round everybody up and then pick people in. to your just pick people off within it and what they're arguing when they're arguing with the court is basically like come on just give us more power come on you know we're just going after

it's basically just like come on just this just trust us just trust us give us all this power but the power is not going to just apply to deportations the Supreme Court grants this then unless the Supreme Court specifically says this is only for immigration law reasonable suspicion is for criminal and all that other stuff. It's going to stick around for the people after this. So if they want to deport people, it's going to be, you know, they're going to have to do some work if they want to follow the law. They just want to make it easy.

They want more power. That's just what it is. It's the same thing with the case that the presidential immunity case, right? That was a few years ago. Yeah. It's, you know, the president should be. be immune for anything he does and that's the ruling they got they got the president immune for anything he does that's associated with his executive powers so that's great for the president now

being able to sort of escape himself escape from the criminal prosecutions against him but when when the woke fuck uh dictator comes in yeah and he wants to make an order to kill all the virgins he's immune from yeah just just picture this level of power and this level of like like impunity or whatever but with aOC they're just asking they're asking that's what you that's what you got to worry about guys would be trembling in their yeah exactly they're asking for more power and they're their their basis for it is not hey we have a particularized suspicion that this person is has committed a crime it's just we have hey man you know you know that all illegal all the people at home deep are illegals so let's just go for round everybody up and then

you know part of the cost is going to be that a bunch of citizens are going to be caught up in the system and they're going to be I've never experienced it but I've been in a lot of prisons and jails and it's it it can be traumatizing especially if you're just an innocent person getting caught up in this so you're just basically wanting to sacrifice all of these right now brown people just to accomplish this goal of just rounding up all these home Depot workers that by the way the majority of these aren't like violent criminals or anything like that these are people just like the working on the house so

you know if that's what you want you're fine but they're going to come after you next unless you start fucking yeah we'll see you start fucking now well that was good so there was some other Supreme Court stuff that we were considering but I think we nailed it so hard there I think we keep pushing that was sick we're going to cover

tariffs in the Lisa Cook situation is there people going to be upset with that analysis or they're going to like it Some people are going to be upset. Are they going to be upset? You know what, though? People, like, sometimes people will message me and be like, dude, you're so libed. You're such a lib, bitch.

I'm like, I don't even know what you mean by these words anymore. Like, in terms of policy, I don't think they really mean anything by it. It's just like, it really comes down to this. Are you pro, kill Tony, or are you against kill Tony? Where do you land? But before that, it just, we're saying the government, we don't want the government to have more power. I thought that was conservative. But no, right.

And state rights, too, where, like, you know, you don't want to. You think I'm a. you think I'm you think I'm a woke I'm a woke but but that's what I mean a lot of these things have changed like I mean Trump is you know nationalizing certain businesses like and then liberals do a lot of stuff that isn't you know functionally liberal

so I don't know what anyone means by the words anymore but I do know this you cooked right there brother that was a great and now so what I'm saying is you just this is all like caught up in this like immigration debate and the politics of it but the law is

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and how he felt about football yesterday You know Joe, right? Yeah Yeah I went to the naughty pig Oh wait, no, the bears are playing tonight, aren't they? Yeah, so he's going to give us just his Working tonight?

We want us prediction yeah i told him he might yeah he should be ready i got the nfl sunday ticket so i don't have to go to a bar anymore and i can hear the hear the sound instead of like going to a bar and watching the the niners and like a corner tv and you can't hear the you can't hear the announcers or anything i'm watching it in the comfort of my home yeah i like it more at home too i thought tom brady did a great job on the call yesterday yeah but you did he's a lot better this year. Yeah, you like him?

You know, I hated him when he was a player because he just won all the time, but I respect how he just always figures it out. Hello? Joe Marisi. Wait, why do you text me and then instantly call me? You have to give me a chance to read the text. What's in the background?

What noise is in the background? Where are you right now? You stroking it right now? Is that a porno in the background? Joe, are you jacking off? I have ESPN Chicago live streaming Can you turn it off real quick while you talk to us? There's an ESPN Chicago

Yeah there's no sound on So whatever you're hearing is on your end All right fair enough Maybe it's the voice is in your head No I heard some stuff in the back of the lot of So we just wanted to speed run through some Bears stuff Number one How did you feel about the Detroit Lions yesterday

Without your coach their former O.C. Ben Johnson I don't know I mean I mean everybody else is already saying that they seem to be missing Ben but yeah we're going to see tonight how much Ben means I think so I'm excited to see

what Ben's got to offer All right Come in hotter on this next one Will you guys win tonight I don't do predictions Who are they playing Why did we call you Joe, it's a podcast.

You've got to bring opinions. You have a take. You have a take. Joe is no and not yes and, no, no. I mean, I'm excited for this game. I'm excited to see a team that I believe is going to be well coached. I believe this can be a team that's going to make a lot of plays. What?

Are you on the team? What is with this deferential answering? I told you you were coming on the... I do expect them to win. Who are they playing? I told him three days ago, you're coming on the pod to talk about the bears.

This is what we get. Fiking. Joe, Joe, you got to, you got to bring the heat here, brother. You know, you got to... I mean, I'm not a big sports guy. Like, you know, there's like millions of guys

that do this for a living, but... You're not one of them. It's not going to happen for you, brother. I'll tell you that, right? What are his thoughts on the game? Yeah, I've seen you watch a Bears game. Where's the passion?

I have passion I'm excited for the game Are you going to watch it Are you working tonight? No, I'm going to watch it What are your general thoughts on the game What are your three things you think the bears are going to do That's going to help them get the W

I actually see them scoring a lot of points I think people think it's going to be low scoring I think we're going to be putting up points Through the air on the ground Is it going to be swift Are we talking Rome A Dunes A and DJ Moore I mean I think it's going to be a little bit of everybody They got all these weapons now.

I mean, it's going to be DeAndre Swift out of the backfield, too. It's going to be Colston Loveland, Colt-Commet. Did you see the clip of your tight end singing Let Me Love You and being kind of sexy? Yeah. I mean, I think the Bears could easily put up 30 points tonight. And what will be your record on the season and will you win the division? Oh, I have no idea. I mean

Outlooks like that I mean I believe Chudwin Already gave you that kind of an outlook Yeah You can also have an opinion Chudwin doesn't own the corner Yeah no I know I don't know I haven't looked at this guy is beaten down

He doesn't want to like he doesn't want He's been beaten down with all hope I've seen I wanted to call him every week Throughout the season we check in on him But this is like I don't know if we can do it now Well Joe he just needs to see them play first to have any you're right yeah i'm jumping the gun we gotta have we gotta have i gotta take it week the week yeah i'm not one of these why don't you uh call call and cowherd i don't i don't

give a podcast your podcast is about sports that's a good point i can take a game to me i don't have a podcast about sports you say it's about food sports and men yeah i think you say that no it's about food beer and man oh is he right no he says sports you say food beer and men i think he says beer, though, JT. I'm pretty sure he says beer. I'm not an expert on his podcast, but I think beer's one of them. Two times ago I was on there, they did a draft about sports. On my podcast, we do a fact check?

I've barely talked sports on my podcast. Joe, can I ask you something? March bracketness. Joe, can I ask you something? Are you Yeah, we do brackets, but they're not sports related. Joe, are you nervous about making predictions because you don't want to jinx it? Yeah, and he doesn't want people messing with it.

Yeah, I think that's, I think that's what's going on here. Actually, that is a huge part of it. Yeah, I don't do forecast. So maybe what we need to do on the calls is have him review the game. That's a better idea. I blew it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I thought he, yeah.

Well, is he going to have opinions on that? Maybe not. We don't know, but we'll check. We love the guy. We'll check in with them. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, after the fact is better for me, I believe. Oh, okay.

Well, thanks. Joe, what to think of their ass care? Yeah, no, whoever said that, yeah, I'm not, yeah. I don't like the jinx aspect. Well, Joe, Joe, is there something you want to review that happened yesterday? You know, it could be, you know, the Bills game, maybe a vegan dish you had, a porno you watched. Yeah, porno. You watched it?

I didn't watch any porno, man. All right. Did anything happen that you want to comment on with information or perspective? effective. Yeah, I mean, it was pretty wild to see the dolphins get their ass kicked like that. Oh, yeah, they looked like shit.

I watched the porn last night. The Lions, I was surprised at how badly they lost. Who's, do they still have the same head coach? They got the same head coach, but people think, and it looked more real yesterday, people think he's a raw, raw guy, and he doesn't know his exes and

their defense coordinator went to the Jets and their offense coordinator went to the Bears. Oh, shit. And they looked really out of sorts. There wasn't much... That's a bummer, because I love the lions last year. No, they're a great story. Yeah, I don't want to jump on the lions too hard

because the bears play them in Detroit next week. So I don't want to go crazy. He's cautious. He's been burned a lot by the bear. I understand. I understand. I had it in my head where I thought it was going to go, and I have to be willing to adapt.

Ask him what his thoughts are on, like, ice, the whole thing. Yeah, so, Joe, we had a pretty robust conversation about reasonable suspicion, how do you feel about the ice roving wades, raids, and do you have any interest in joining ice? And they're coming to Chicago. Are you excited for them to enter into Chicago? No, I'm not excited for that, whoever the hell is asking that. It's Kevin.

That's me. Listen, I had one more point about football. Oh, now he has a point about football. Listen, okay, here's a take for you. I know you're a Steelers fan. and it's got to be very hard to root for Aaron Rogers and I don't care that he came back in one yesterday it was against the fucking jets

I wouldn't get too fucking excited if I was you I got no problem root for Aaron Rogers I love the guy I always have that was a hot take to the earth I like that why didn't you have any more of those Joe we got to ask him about other stuff to get him to talk about what we want him to talk about so you're on Governor Pritzer's side

standing up to Trump and not letting him have the National Guard coming to coming in Illinois what's the question are you on governor pritzer's side with like refusing the national guard listen all this political talk on these podcasts has got to stop

I mean I think it's really bad for comedy and just podcasting in general you also don't want to talk about football Joe we just did a whole legal discussion on it should people not listen people have been writing to me and telling me you got to tell JT to stop with all the

What is the fuck? This podcast is going to suck. Well, Joe, people have been texting me and say Joe has to start with something. So, I mean, I don't know. You guys are like looking for like hot takes or something. I don't know. Hot takes. A normal person has opinions on their football team.

Joe, tell us about, give us a hot take on your favorite pair of tits. Oh. Hot take of my favorite what? A pair of tits. A pair of tits. I mean, I like them big and juice It's so broad though Yeah

But you know Actually Joe that segues next That segues nicely into our next call And I'll I have a question for Joe Yeah go first Joe have you ever titty fucked I mean listen

I know the answer to this You know you try it You see it in porn And it's like something But then in real life it doesn't have the same i have the same opinion that's right that's totally it's a little it's awkward too it's awkward it's better as an idea than it is an actuality well said joe yeah the woman the woman doesn't want to do that in real life and especially if you have a

massive hog right it could be a danger to her just keep might you know hit the thorax or yeah yeah but yeah they get nothing out of it so they don't really want to do well yeah with your hog you're going to crush their uh their rib cage yeah yeah i got to watch your chin. But do you think everybody needs to experience at least once in their life or you're just saying they don't even need to try it? No, I think it, yeah, why not go for it? Give it a, you know,

see what happens. Joe, do you go out of natural with your bush? No, are you kidding? I mean, I would have like, I would look like freaking Dr. Jay if I kept up there. Oh, oh, a fro. Oh, so you have a nice fro down there. What do you use to clean it up?

Yeah, I could if I let it go, yeah. Are you kidding? Do you use a beard razor? What do you use? Straight razor? Do you straight shave, like in a barbershop? I got a man-stained thing for that. Okay.

I get the lawnmower, I believe it's called. You get the lawnmower? I could see. There's a scene in Band of Brothers when they're in the Battle of the Bulls, when he's shaving with a straight razor. I could see you in wartime, straight razoring your pubs. Do you think we should open up like a barbershop just for your dung, like your bush yeah and we'll be like old school you know and we'll get out the that you know that little

brush with the with the barbousal with the with the shaving cream you get that brush out yeah you get that brush out and you yeah i like that you wear like uh what was it called not an apron oh and i could see joe work in there too we're gonna that's you're gonna be the face of it joe you have a good barber yeah i like barbers shops for bushes i'm down with that yeah joe's bush shop hey yeah we're doing a black friday 50% off now are we doing asshole too or just bush no no stick with the bush i believe yeah yeah otherwise we're getting a little too dirty then we're gonna need too many gloves and masks wow all right joe well thank you dude you were as always interesting you love you brother love you joe yeah love you too we'll talk to you later yeah i'll see soon

All right. Go bears. Go bears. All right, so we have one more call coming up. I think Joe just shit on the whole podcast so far. I'm a little concerned. Did we get too political? No, you never know what Joe.

You catch him on a good day. You catch him on a day where he's not feeling it. He's just going to shoot you where his mood's at. But we're just doing legal analysis, right? No. Don't question it now. You're fine, man. I don't know, Joe.

You got to rock with... Joe has a good eye on the... He has a good eye on what the country wants. I don't know about that. I would say this. You got to be who you are. and you're a guy who cares a lot about the issues and you're a guy who loves dong.

So if you're doing both of those things in a single podcast, you can go to God. They just want passion. You know that line from like walk the line where he's like, if you had to see your maker and you had one song to tell him who you are

and how you feel, what would be that song. I think that's this podcast you just did. That's who you are. That's me? Yeah, you're dong and your reasonable suspicion. I feel like we haven't really done much dong. I mean, we did the song,

but then we just veered off dong. Are you insane? We just did five minutes with Joe on. Oh, yeah. We just did a song about his balls. And then we sang all my life was all about Dong. You're right. Oh, and we did all the Virgin talk, too.

But he doesn't connect those two. That would be funny if we just rounded up all the versions. I mean, they deserve it. Wait, hold on. Come on. Let's, um, dude, so we have done some Dong talk. And we've also talked about some political issues. For our next call, I think we have a guest who is in total certified genius in both. We are going to be calling adult film actress.

Alana Evans. So she's a great film star. She's been in many a film and brought a lot of us into maturity. But also, she leads the union for pornographic actors. So we're going to talk to her a little bit about that, about how that process has been, and then talk to her about anything else. So let's give Alana a call. Hello?

Hey, Alana, how are you? You're on with the chat in 18. Yeah, I'm fantastic. How are you guys? Good. How are you doing? It's a good day. It's a good day. That's nice. We're also here with our buddy Kevin, who's a lawyer, and he helps us review legal issues, and he also helps us write songs about Dong. Hello. Wow. Hi, Kevin. Songs about Dong. You must be really gifted.

Not me personally, but we sing about our friend that's gifted. Alana, if you ever have time, you have to check out his band, The Gentle Chodes. The Gentle Chodes. Now, does this have anything to do with, like, your guys' small Dong March, or is it, like, the opposite spectrum? It's the opposite. So our friend Joe is, like, really well-endowed. So Kevin has basically created an entire music catalog dedicated to that. Yeah.

Ooh, I need this catalog in my life. Do you want to give her a taste and just, like, sing some? I don't know I'm pretty putting me on the spot here I'm pretty nervous but we could do

the Casey and Jojo yeah go ahead yeah I'll follow you all my life I dream of a dong like yours

like Joe's and I thank God that I've seen you bust something like that this is not a good this is not a good No but it's

That's in the vicinity of what we do. Alana, if you listen to the top of this episode, you'll get Kevin's Red Hot Chili Peppers' Dong Song. A more polished, friend-ish. Just all you need. I have to say, the harmony brought it here to my eye. Oh, it was so impressed. Thank you, Alana.

You're so supportive. We really appreciate it. I try. Yeah, so I also wanted to talk to you about some of the work you do around the adult entertainment industry. Can you talk a little bit about leading the entertainer's union and what's that been like? Absolutely. So I'm the president of the Adult Performance Artist Guild. We're a federally recognized labor union representing about 2,500 verified performers in the adult industry. We collected bargain on behalf of adult performers, and we represent adult film stars, content creators, platform workers, webcam models, phone sex workers, all that kinds of good stuff.

so how does that work so was it easier back in the day when it was more studios to create like union protected work like how is it now with the how things have gone to more independent mediums like camming are only fans that's such a good question jd and i can tell you watch porn so thank you we have so much more control like don't get me wrong going to set being in the big production movies, it's a lot of fun, it has its glamour, you are acting, and there can be some really awesome productions with CGI and fun stuff. As an individual content creator, though, you can kind of set your own schedules, decide exactly what you're going to do in your own content without necessarily being told

what to do, and you have so much more direct access to your fans and learning what they like so that you can kind of correlate who you are as a performer based on them and you definitely get a lot more of that type of feedback as you know a content creator versus an onset point star so you would say now it's actually better and easier for someone to look out for themselves in the industry i'm so jealous for the models that get to have this type of industry now, because when I started in 1998, super different, and you didn't have the ability to make the money that you can make now. So it is definitely better. That's when I first started drooking it, I think, 1998. Wow. You know me then, don't you?

Exclusively. Since 1998. I'm okay with it. And then so with your collective bargaining, then, who are you negotiating with? Who are the people on the other side of the table? So it'll, these days very specifically, more often than not, it's platforms. So it's your webcam companies or, say, our phone sex platforms. You know, imagine a giant wall of hoops that you have to jump through in order to be able to get to support in order, you know, you see a lot of people complain about losing their only fans' accounts or getting violated because they made.

a mistake or it was a lot of the times an erroneous error on support staff. It gives us the ability having these arrangements with the companies to step in and help our models fix their pages, deal with pay issues if they're having them. So it's really great because I'll work directly with company owners that I've known for decades. And so my time in the industry has really helped me to kind of branch all of those relationships. And what things can can the average porn consumer do to support models, performers, and creators? Okay for your porn. That's the first thing. But the second thing I'm going to tell you is might surprise you. Vote. We need people to pay attention to the things that are happening

in legislation because they want to truly outlaw porn. And if consumers aren't aware that things are happening in some of these, these giant bills that get passed, they don't realize that you're going to lose access to your favorite stroke material. Are you, sorry, go ahead, chat. Yeah, can you name some of these specific bills that are... First off, it's really easy. So, this, you know, Prop 25, I'm sorry, Project 2025, within the language of that, they want to actually criminalize

distribution of pornography, meaning all of the websites that put it out, anywhere that sells it, they want to criminalize the creators of porn, so someone like me would actually go to jail for creating the content in the first place. It's in the actual language of Project 2025, which makes it super scary. The other thing is things like this happen because of age verification bills. So they want to pass age verification on sites, which it's not. not that scary, but the problem is instead of following through some of the companies like Pornhub will just remove complete access to that state. And they don't realize they're giving

those legislators exactly what they want. And yes, you can use a VPN, but it's still, it's removing porn. We're almost like banning ourselves by blocking states as a whole. So it's a lot of stuff happening. And it is complicated, right? Because we don't want young people having access to really anything that can kind of be addictive um but but then do you think you think they've overcorrected by making you take an id photo and like basically put all your personal information like your government documents into the website i think it's more than like and not to kind of correct what you said but no please concern about porn and younger people is that they're seeing something that their brains are not mentally prepared to handle yet.

Porn is theatrical version of sex and love, and that's all things that are age-appropriate. To me, that's why it's important. Not that porn is addictive, because it's been scientifically proven that it's not addictive, but addictive personalities can fall into that place. Yeah. Sorry. I'm in here a long time. No, no, next time I have you on, I'll have Patrick Carnes on, and you guys can debate it.

I would have, sorry, continue. I would argue that we were talking about virgins in school shooters earlier. This outlong porn might be its own public health crisis. I mean, there's a big debate on prohibition. And like, is it actually helpful for communities? We need these people to, the more jerks they let off, while they're in their refractory period, they're less likely to, I think it's scientifically proven.

They're less likely to behave in a... To be violent. To be violent. Yeah. Would you agree? Dude, masturbation is healthy, it's important. We have to stop teaching these young men that touching their bodies is wrong, right? I remember I have a grown son.

He is 32, and he came home from school one time, and he had told me that his friend's mom told his friend that semen was poison and that they weren't supposed to touch themselves, and I looked at my kid, and I'm like, that is all wrong. long. It's all about just healthy conversations about sex and, you know, whether it equates to being school shooters, there's a lot of like mental frustration there. So I could see it being possible. And so when you're working on this now, what does that look like? Like, is there conventions, protest? Is it legislative, counter legislation? Or are you just kind of going door to trying to get people to vote against these bills that are too draconian for you?

Well, when we, when I attended one of your guys' shows, because for the rest of you didn't know, I'm huge Chad and too fan, I mentioned that I feel like you guys should be going to the White House, and the same way that you approach your city council sessions, I feel like that's exactly what everyone needs to do. We should all just go to the White House with our signs that say save our porn. I've been up there before. I've had conversations with staffers on Capitol Hill, specifically about banking and the debanking of adult performers because of the concerns.

We even met with Vance's office when he was still on Capitol Hill. So I think that's the best approach. We should all just go with their big dong signs. and tell them, you know, keep their hands off our porn. And maybe have a performance by the Gentle Chodes. Yeah. I mean, the people that protest too much about porn are always the people that are jerking it the most.

I was just thinking about that, too. The speaker, didn't he have some kind of him and his son had like a buddy system where they would prevent each other from jacking off? I saw it. Mike Johnson and son, yeah. I didn't know. You didn't know the speaker of the house? they were jacking off too much so

they had like a pack him and his son had a pack that would I don't know how they would do it do you know anything about it was like a nanny a software yeah they monitor each other's porn intake so it's not something I'm planning on doing with my son but

it's a good conversation around boundaries he's also married to a woman that was really heavy into conversion therapy you know pray away the gay So he's very connected to all of those very strange things. I was chat GPTing him yesterday. Oh, interesting.

Well, Alana, thank you so much for calling in. We'd love to talk to you again. Do you guys have any more questions you want to throw at her? We appreciate the work you're doing. And on all fronts, if you had to tell someone like the work in your acting you're most proud of that they should check out, which piece of entertainment would you say that is? Oh, oh, that's such a good question. Okay, like my favorite scene of all is the video game code for Contra, like select, start, push, stop.

It's a scene in a video game. In fact, it's actually the pinball, the pinball, like Hall of Fame Museum in Las Vegas. I got to shoot there. That's my favorite scene of all time. It's badass. What can people search? No, I was just kidding. If you search my name, Lana Evans, and then you start, search select start.

That's the name of the scene. And it's at the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum in Las Vegas. Miss Evans, while we have you on here, do you mind if I make a confession to you? I'm really into 80s porn. Is that normal? I was born in the 80s, so I wasn't around really for that time. But what are your thoughts on that? It's either because you're going back to what you were finding in your parents' stash,

or you like bush. I think I don't mind the, you know, I don't mind looking at a nice bush. Alana, that's a very good appraisal. And I think the nostalgia thing is it's like everyone thinks that the S&L cast they grew up with is the best. Yeah. I think that's normal. Okay. I watch porn primarily from when I was like in high school years because it, I think it just resonates the deepest with me.

But I wasn't jacking off in the 80s. Remember, I didn't start jacking off until 98. But you are a throwback guy. All the music you like, I do listen to a lot of classic rock. Yeah, you like doo-op and stuff. You're just in the wrong time, yeah. you would have done very well makes total sense

in the 80s do you have a favorite era do I have a favorite era I was born in 76 so I'm an 80s kid at heart absolutely nice all right well Alana thank you so much

thank you for all the good work you're doing you're such a charming person it was lovely to talk to you thank you so much for having me you guys and hey good luck with the big dong action thank you Soana, great chat with you. You're welcome.

What a lovely person. Oh, yeah. Very nice. Yes, she's sweet. That was awesome. Yeah. Thinking about 80s porn right now. You're going to watch some?

No, I don't do it during the day. It takes you out. Yeah, you want to stay focused. I try not to do it. The sun's out. It's the sun's out. And it's hot outside. And then you bring bad juju to wherever you go.

When we first started doing the road for stand-up, I'd just be in my room all day in the drill factory, just pumping out all that poison. And then I'd get to the show and I'd be like, hello, Appleton. Yeah, yeah. I was like, now I try to go to a museum, go get some sun. I respect Jake too much to Jackoff in his apartment too, so.

Yeah, let's save that. Yeah, no, don't, yeah. What's your, how often are you doing it? You know, this is something that I don't like to admit publicly. but you don't check off that much yeah i project myself as jacking off more than i do and it's i'm i don't want to always known that about you so what do you i mean about once a day so like i i put out that i'm jacking off all the time but if if you go into my you know actual life i'm jacking off and it's it's super embarrassing that i don't jack off as much as i yeah you and what's a week

i jacked off last night only because you knew you were coming on the pod no it didn't have to do with the pod if uh if if if my wife passes out on the couch downstairs that's my cue to go upstairs and fucking fucking boink myself that's what's yeah i need to yeah i need to yeah i need a if she's passed out on the couch she's not waking up i go upstairs and uh jail go to town so you know a couple times a week but nothing i don't i don't let's do the opposite of the mike johnson will you text me after you do it and i'll keep you accountable that you're jacking off enough Oh, yeah. Oh, so a different buddy system. Actually, I'm going to need that.

I would need sort of like somebody, like a hype man, like a hype man to Jack. I'll text you every morning and say, hey, like, sun's out. Have you done it yet? Are you getting after it? Because there's, there's teenagers out there who are leaving you in the dust. Do you think there's something, you know, they, I hear a lot of people saying like, oh, you need to like when you wake up, you need to look into the sun for a few minutes a day, not look directly into the sun, but like towards it to get that sunlight.

Do you think, and you guys with the perennian summit? I'm talking about Andrew Hearman. Yeah. Yeah. do you think there's something to like jorking it in the sun, you know? Oh, 100%. Like, have you guys tried jacking off in the sun?

Yeah. Without ever really thinking, that's why I was doing it. I think it was just more instinctive. I haven't tried it. I aim at the sun. Yeah. It's tough to find sun unless you have a big compound. It's tough to just go outside and start jacking off.

It harkens back to 300. Our arrows will blot out the sun. Did you guys know that if you, get a boner in the sun, naturally your boner curves in the direction of the sun. Kind of like a sunflower. Not like a sunflower.

Yeah. Maybe we need to... That's what the Post Malone song is about. Yeah. It's... Yeah. We have to find, I guess, get a tanning. How can I jack off in the sun?

I'm wondering, how can I even do it without getting arrested? Well, that's just something you have to be willing to risk. Enough to risk it? You have to be a conscientious enough person to stand for what you believe in, even if there is consequences. Maybe I need to go, when I go backpacking, I need to go up into the mountains. No, I mean, I know some pretty solid dudes who just do it at the L.A. River. The L.A. River? I live really, I live down the block from the L.A. River.

Yeah. Bust inside my ass. Take me to the river. Kevin bust last. Take me to the river Chad sits on my ass 24 hours later Yeah what's up

What's up buddy? Hey I'm with Chad and you're on the podcast How did you feel about the game last night Listen, I got to go. I don't have time for this. I just wanted to call and check back in because I know you said you wanted to talk after the game.

So we went back to the... That was pretty sure. Well, that's our episode for today, guys. Thanks to Kevin the Schmole, Alana Evans, and to Joe Marisi. We called him the next day after the game. So for those of you listening, there was a time jump. Bears lost.

Oh, sorry Bears, but go Bears. Go Bears. Yeah, I think Color Blue Good. They'll be better. All right, bye. going to be what are you? I'm going to be

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