Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 410 - Congressman Ro Khanna

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Today we’re joined by Congressman Ro Khanna, who represents California’s 17th District located in the heart of Silicon Valley. We dive into the latest government shutdown and explore whether THE FILES are at the center of it all. From there, we discuss the rapid evolution of technology, how US innovation is shaping the future, and what social media might look like under his vision. Chris parr joins the show to talk politics and also give an update on the NFL season plus a few classic parr bros stories. LET US KNOW IN THE COMMENTS WHAT YOU THINK OF RO! ENJOY!  More About Ro Here: https://khanna.house.gov/ We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://appreeshapparel.com/ Come see us on Tour! Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Thanks to our Sponsors:Brotege: The Best Skincare products for bros - get started today for just 10$ Visit https://www.brotege.com/deep HIGHLAND STYLE CO: The Best Hair products for healthy hair   Go to https://www.highland.style/deep or use code godeep at checkout and get 20% off today!   PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

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And like, Blake, if you want to, like, hang out and talk to me and, like, make a video for my wife, like, maybe I'll switch. You know, it's like, because I'm persuadable. you know come at me well dude I'm hard line this is a message to Blake lively

you're not allowed on the pod whoa yeah dude that's awesome let the stokers know guys we got a we got a huge guest

JT and Chris you guys are going to come in with the heat today congressman Rokana is coming on the pod represent Silicon Valley his main platform is economic patriotism

He wants to bring tech jobs all across the country, distribute the wealth a little bit. But then it's interesting because he does represent Silicon Valley where there's $11 trillion worth of wealth. So, yeah, we'll talk to him about everything. He also co-authored a resolution with Thomas Massey, a Republican, even though Rose on the left, to release the Epstein file. So, you know, we'll have the juicy, salacious stuff in there, too. But while we wait for Roe, maybe we'll just do a little round up with the fells. one thing I want to add about him. He, he, he, he, in his district, my alma mater, Santa Clara. Yeah. Yeah. I got to ask if he's partied on Jeremy Street. He taught there? I think

so. I thought that was did he really? I'll double check the Wikipedia. And because I saw that and I was like, ah, yeah. Is there a lot of research grants at Santa Clara? Because that's the thing that's in flux right now. Maybe Roe could pull some weight for you and make sure they they keep their labs open dude what if I took a class from he's like dude I remember you I'm like oh yeah

I was drinking slurpy's with vodka I mean that sounds fun it is awesome taught law at Santa Clara University School of Law did he really? Whoa Chris good recon Wikipedia is amazing dude

I don't know if you guys have ever heard of it but it's kind of like a good spot to like go to to get like just like a nice baseline of info What website is that? Wikipedia, but dot org. Don't fall for the dot com, dude. That's probably some shister trying to fool you guys.

Peak COVID, what a dad's friend sent. Like, check this out. And it was Wikipedia, like, dot com instead of dot org. And it was like, you know, like, you guys, this is not like a real website. It's true. It's pretending to be. My dad started a political debate between like nine people on a group thread. Oh, really?

Yeah. Steve showed me this. And there was like, none of it. And then I got political on my dad. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's not going to do politics here. Yes. You fucking started.

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to enter Give Brodicea follow at ex-Brotige X on Instagram and DM Deep to enter. Whoa. Oh, hey. Ro, megawatts, smile. Dude, I love it. Yeah. How are you?

I'm good. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, thanks for being on. Where are you right now? If you guys aren't in session, where do you reside? Well, I'm in D.C. We're trying to get the Congress back up and running. You know, we can get into it.

But they basically shut this place down because they don't want to vote on Epstein file. So I'm opposed to still here. Okay, so that was my first question, actually, was, is that the reason they shut down? I know there's some other things they're battling about, but why do you think the current admin flipped on the Epstein files? You know, that's the question I don't understand. When I initially did the bill with Thomas Massey as a Republican, I thought this would be a bipartisan bill. It's consistent with what Trump wanted to get the Epstein file is released. I know the speaker, Mike Johnson, wants that. I mean, I don't know what forces are preventing him from just saying that. He's a person of faith. He obviously doesn't

condone the abuse of these young girls. He, like many of us, met with the survivors. They talked about being at the age of 14 and then having to recruit junior high and high school girls knowing that they would get f***ed, knowing that they get formed out to other rich and powerful men. There are about 2,000 victims, and all we're saying is release these Epstein files. And by the way, Trump is the one who made the biggest issue of it, as did J.D. Vance. So the question is, what is the force? What force is so powerful that it's not only preventing the release, but we don't have a vote. And this is just the fact.

I mean, the day that we have a vote in Congress, like, let's have a vote to pay our troops. How about we do that? The day we have a vote, Adelita Grijalva gets sworn in, and she becomes the 218th signature on this petition than Massey and I have. That means seven days later, we have a vote to release the Epstein files. So instead of swearing Grijalva in, they've literally shut down the Congress. We're having votes on nothing because they don't want to have this vote on releasing the Epstein files. And what do you think are in the Epstein files?

I've heard you talk about Bradley Edwards and some of his like remembrances of it. But can you expound on that a little bit? Yeah, he's seen Bradley Edwards, the lawyer for the survivors, has seen the files. David Boyes and other lawyer for the survivors has seen the files. These files have FBI interviews with some of the rich and powerful men who either covered up for Epstein or were involved in the crimes. David Boyes has said that he thinks that it would be enough for some people to be held accountable and even face prosecution.

Right now, 2,000 victims and the only person who people have been prosecuted are Epstein and Maxwell. I mean, there are far more people who were implicated in this. And though that would all come out. We would see the witness interviews. We would see the FBI interviews that happened with other rich and powerful folks. And look, will it be embarrassing? Yes.

Are there some people who aren't guilty of sleeping with under, age girls or underage girls who may be mentioned, yes, but I believe the American people have common sense. And if you got a contribution from Jeffrey Epstein, they're not going to besmirch you in a way that if you actually underage girls are covered up for Epstein, that you will face accountability. So you're coming in hot. Yeah. Well, my question is, like, if they know that you're going to have the vote, like, what are

they delaying for? Because, like, they'll have to open the government at some point. So, like, what do you think the plan is? If it's to stop this vote, like, what's the end game? Well, I think they hope that we stop this long enough that people stop talking about it. People lose interest. That's been their strategy, right? They shut down the government over the summer two weeks earlier.

And then it came roaring back because the survivors actually came to the Capitol and talked about wanting justice. And I think they're hoping that if they just dragged them, this out long enough that people will stop worrying about it. My view is the opposite. You tell me, you guys. No, I don't think anybody's going to stop talking about it. I can't think of a story that people love to talk about more than Epstein. And that goes back for like years. Yeah, and look, you've got rich and powerful men who engaged in young girls. Like, that's not a story that is just going to go away. And you have a lot of people who haven't been held accountable. And then the average person's like, you know, I go through a red light or I'm driving 35 miles an hour and a 25 miles zone and there's these cameras and I get a ticket.

And I can't get away with any of this. I can't get away even with doing anything on my taxes that may be a decimal off. And you've got these people who are basically engaged in pedophilia and covering for a pedophilic and they're getting away with it because there are no politicians and they're rich. This is sort of the problem that people have with the government right now. That's why right and left, this has brought people together, Progressives, MAGA, independence, to get the files released. And I've never had more support, candidly, from people in MAGA than on this issue. And then so why weren't the files released during the previous administration?

It's a fair point. You know, I've been calling for the files to be released since 2019. I tweeted out with when Elijah Cummings was the Oversight. chair that we should be doing these investigations. The Biden administration had two court orders of some release, but you can argue that we should have had more of them released under the Biden administration. I'm not going to say that it couldn't have happened. But now you have the president campaign on it, and by the way, none of us criticized him when he said they were going to release the files. Massey didn't. We thought they were going to release the files

it's only when Pam Bondi goes on television and says, well, there's nothing more to release that we started to speak out. And then I heard you when you were recollecting Bradley Edwards' testimony around it or talking about it, that there was also, they said you need to get the CIA files. Does that mean that there's like foreign governments and foreign intelligence involved in the Epstein files? Some people think that there is some foreign government involvement in terms of payments and in terms of the conspiracy. Now, I don't want to be some kind of conspiracy theory, but I will say those files should be released, the CIA files, the FBI files, the treasury files, the treasury files of where the payments are coming from. At this point, the problem with not releasing the files is actually you have people thinking the worst and things.

things that are conspiratorily and may not even be true. So just get everything out there. So if you run into Mike Johnson, like in the hallways and you bring it up to him, like what does he say? Like just in like informal conversations or even in a previous administration, like what's the reason that it's given? Well, you know, like I said, I know Mike Johnson. We came into Congress together.

We have a civil relationship. I never kind of just go more. I'm not one of these Democrats who just go and say, oh, Mike Johnson is defending pedophiles. And Johnson, I said, look, Mike, come on, you're a religious person, your person of faith. You heard these survivors. Let's have a vote. He says, well, we're going through the process. The oversight committee is going through the process. You guys never called for doing this when Biden was president. I said, okay, let's not relitigate the PES. This is something you could do under your

speakership. You would be celebrated for doing that if you called for the release in the boat. And the Oversight Committee is not going to get the information because justice is stonewalling then. So, you know, I try to be persuasive with Johnson. I don't think this is a good look for him or for his legacy, which is slowing down the release of the Epstein files. And then has there been any talk that because also on the table is the Affordable Care Act tax subsidies, which insure a lot of people. A lot of people actually from red districts get their insurance that way. Um, has there been any talk that in exchange for not pushing the Epstein files, maybe they'll extend the tax cuts, or does it not happen that plainly?

Don't give them any ideas here. So far there's just trying to understand it. Yeah. There haven't been any of those conversations. You know, look, you've got people like Marjorie Taylor Green now saying not only release the Epstein files, but the insurance system is broken. I mean, why is it that we're paying so much money to these insurance companies? $71 billion.

of insurance profits last year, the CEO is making $140 million collectively, and premiums are doubling in this country. And then even when you have insurance, you still got to pay the deductible, you still got the co-pays. The system is broken. And we need, in my view, we need national health insurance, Medicare for all, everyone gets covered, no deductibles, no premiums. But certainly the current system is not working, and people's premiums are going to double if we

don't do anything starting November 1st. hospitals will have more uncompensated care costs so that'll get offloaded to the people who actually can't afford the insurance? Well, there are two issues. One are the Medicaid cuts that they had. That means everyone's health care is going to go up. There was a trillion dollars of Medicaid cuts. And so if Medicaid's not paying for it, these hospitals are going to have to charge private insurance more that gets passed down to the consumer. But what we're debating now is the 24 million folks who are on the exchanges, as you pointed out, many in red states, they will have a doubling of their premiums if we don't pass the tax credits to extend the assistance to people.

Now, I agree that the whole system is broken, and that's why I think we need to move away from this private insurance that are just sucking out money from the American people and enriching themselves and have national health insurance, Medicare for all. And, you know, even Marjorie Taylor-Green now is talking about insurance not working. And I think more and more people across the aisle are recognizing that the system we have is just broken. In this scenario, if you were to Medicare for All, would you eradicate private insurance completely? You would have private insurance could be supplemental, but everyone would get Medicare for all. Everyone would get Medicare.

And that would make every doctor in network. the doctors would still be private, nurses would. And then if you didn't like Medicare and you thought, okay, I want more things than Medicare doesn't cover, you still obviously can have supplemental private insurance or you could have concier medicine. But everyone should have the basics of Medicare for all from day one and you shouldn't have all these high premiums and deductibles. And people say, how are you going to pay for it?

Well, first of all, you can tax, in my view, more of the billionaires in my district, soon to some to be trillionaires. We should have a wealth tax. And by the way, you can tax employers because employers right now much rather pay a tax to government and have a cheaper health care than what they're doing in terms of paying 30% on their payroll to these private insurance companies. So there's a way that you can pay for it. And I think it's a much better system. And then before we get into some of the other sticking points in the shutdown, one thing that you've been in favor of that Trump's proposing is selling prescription jugs through. a government kind of a marketplace so people can get cheaper medicine. An argument I've heard

against that is that if we start putting price caps on medicine, it could stymie R&D for new medicine. Do you have a take on that? Yeah, first of all, why should Americans be paying more than Japan and Britain and every other country in the world? I actually agree with President Trump. I introduce his executive order as legislation. We should be subsidizing the entire world. They can pay more, too, if it's about R&D. Why is it that American should be having all of the burden? Second, the most of the innovation that's actually happening is taking place in small companies, in startups, and at universities.

The MRINA vaccine was developed by people at University of Pennsylvania, and it's taking place because of funding from the National Institute of Health, some of which Trump is cutting. So I think that this is not a fair economic argument. The pharmaceuticals, by the, aren't putting the money into research. They're putting a lot of the money into stock buyback into buying their own stocks.

If they stop the stock buybacks, they'd have a much better argument than this is actually there for innovation. It's their profits at the expense of Americans paying two to three times more than people in Britain, Japan, Canada, Australia. But that's for newer drugs. Because we pay way less than Europe for generics.

Sure. And what the bill does, what Bernie and my bill does, and I think Trump's executive order does in a similar way, is that if you're charging Americans more than 120% of what they're paying in Europe, then you will lose your patent license to exclusivity. And we're going to bring generics in the market. And you're right. The generics are not the problem. It's the exclusivity on these patents where they're charging three times more to Americans

than anyone else around the world. Would you want to change the patent rules in any way? Because I thought I read that a lot of times they'll like add something to extend the patent life. You know, that they're like, oh, well, it can also do this. And then that extends the patent life of a drug, like beyond what it was supposed to be. Would you change the patent rules in any way? You're spot on. I mean, some of these, the patent abuse is crazy.

Some of the medicines for arthritis, for diabetes, they've been discovered for decades. And yet they'll add something about, well, changing how you take the medicine. We're changing what container the medicines in. We're changing some cosmetic aspect of it. And they patent it. And they continue to have these profits. So we need to curb the patent abuse. And there were bipartisan hearings.

By the way, this often brings Democrats and Republicans together in railing against Big Pharma. But they have such a lobby. They have more lobbyists, big pharma lobbyists in Congress than there are members of Congress. They have huge money that they give to campaigns. And they basically kill things. And that's what they're going to do with Trump's executive order. But Trump's executive order is in court. They're challenging it.

It's not going to happen. And the only way we can make it happen is to pass legislation. And they basically have too much of influence on the committees of jurisdiction to get the legislation to move. So this is why people are so. frustrated with Washington. And then so to another reason for the shutdown is that some of the Democrats have said that Republicans are messing with the allocated budget that was agreed upon through Congress, which is outside the normal protocol.

Could you speak to that? Yeah, and it's a basic, like from fifth grade social studies. You got three branches of government. You got Congress, you got the president, you got the Supreme Court. Congress gets to raise revenue and spend revenue. So when Congress says, okay, we're going to tax this amount and then we're going to spend on defense or we're going to spend on cancer research, the president basically needs to spend that money. He gets to execute it. He gets through the agencies to distribute it, actually figure out how that money gets into the right hands, but he can't just say, oh, I don't want to spend what Congress appropriated.

And that's what Trump's done. In some cases, he's like, well, I don't like these programs. I'm not going to spend this money. Think if a Democrat was there. Like, think about someone from the left getting elected president and who says, well, I don't want to spend money

on these kind of tanks or this kind of military. And you basically have the Congress saying, no, you've got to spend the money and the president unilaterally saying, no, I don't want to spend it. That's not how our system of government works. So all we want is for the president to commit

that whatever Congress passes, he's got to spend. And then so I hear a lot of hectoring from my friends on the left who are like, they're tired of Democrats just doing this like kind of strongly worded condemnation stuff, but not taking more, like, urgent action. But, like, if you don't have the executive, if the Supreme Court's ruling 95% of the time

with the Trump admin and they have Congress, like what corrective, what power do you have to stop some of these things? Well, it's hard. And that's why I'm glad that the Democratic caucus is together now, and we're not just going to give our votes to let Trump ride roughshot

over Congress and the Constitution, the way Schumer did in the first shutdown. So I think the Democrats have grown more of a spine. But ultimately, we need social movements to hold Trump accountable. My grandfather spent four years in jail as part of Gandhi's independence movement, and I know what mobilization and mass movements can do. And you have on Saturday the No Kings protest. I really appreciate all the people who are coming out.

It's not without some risk. to speak up, to show up. And to me, that's what's really going to change things and bring accountability, the mobilization of people for justice. And then you talk about Chuck Schumer sometimes in a, like, you know, say he's proud of having a flip phone, like he's a little out of touch with tech and that, like, is it awkward when you guys run into each other?

Like, what is your guys' relation to? I don't mean this is gossip. I'm genuinely curious how the upper echelons of the party work. Yeah, you can say I'm not. his favorite person. He's pretty direct and he's gotten upset at me before. But, you know, that's why people don't say this stuff. You know, it's your colleagues. You see them. They kind of tiptoe around. But I'm not in here to just make friends with people. I'm here to represent my constituency and try to make a change. And I fundamentally believe that the status quo has failed.

The new generation needs to come into these places. You know, there are a lot of great people. people in the Senate, Brian Chats, Chris Murphy, others, like, why can't we get a new generation? And then every time, like, Johnson is criticized Schumer. He's like, well, Schumer was in office when I was nine years old. Fine. So let's have some new generational leaders. That's democracy. Everyone needs to know their sell-by date.

And I think this country wants folks who have a bit of an edge and boldness and recognize that the status quo is broken. Well, I'm sure another sticking point for you guys, too, is Israel and Israel-Palestine conflict. I know you're on record. You don't take money from PACs. You don't take money from APAC. You'll meet with them, but you don't take funds from them. They've become kind of a boogeyman for everyone in terms of negative influence in our politics. Are they as influential and powerful as many citizens believe? There used to be. There was a famous quote by a lobbyist in APEC saying that he could have a paper napkin, and within 24 hours, he could have 70 senators signed that paper napkin. Now, I led a letter to recognize a Palestinian state, like 150 other countries, by the way, no Hamas, demilitarized, and recognizing a secure Israel as a Jewish Democratic state, a two-state solution. And we got 47 signatures. APEC counter-mobilized against me, and they only got 30 folks. So it's losing influence. But in the past, they have been powerful.

But what I've said is you've got to criticize all of the PACs, all of the lobbyists, and not just single out one PAC. I mean, what they're doing is legal under Citizens United, and other PACs and other lobbyists do it. I founded the No PAC lobbyists, like Caucus, no PAC money, no lobby money, and no super PACs. And then do you think Trump did a good job? I mean, I know time will tell, but at least now in the recent aftermath,

do you think Trump did a good job with Israel, Palestine, and brokering a priest treaty? Yes, I give him credit for the release of the hostages and to have the gumption to stand up to Netanyahu and to say stop bombing and withdraw up. You know, he's not bold, Amerit. I'm one of the Democrats who say, tweeted out, like, fine, let's give President Trump and his team credit because we got the hostages out and Israel has stopped. bombing. Now, do I think that's peace in the Middle East? No, but, you know, I try to call bowls and strikes. And as an American, I'm glad that the American president and his team

secured the release of these hostages and got Netanyahu to stop bombing and withdraw. And I think one of the lessons is you have to be willing to stand up, vote to Hamas and to Netanyahu to make progress. And my hope is that this continues, the ceasefire, and that we move towards a two-state solution. But, you know, there's a lot that remains to be seen. In the recent election, Silicon Valley, kind of for the first time, went from left to right. What do you attribute that to? Well, I attributed to not having it being positive on technology and innovation and engaging some of these folks. I attribute some of them to the cancel culture, First Amendment, you know, people felt that we had gone too far and becoming scolds and

not standing up for a freedom of speech. And I attributed to some of it, some of it opportunism. They thought Donald Trump would win. And they, you know, a lot of them started out with DeSantis or others, and then they, some with Robert Kennedy. And then they hitched themselves to Trump when it looked like he was going to win. Do you want to ask about the hubs? Oh, yeah. Well, because You've talked about having, like, you want to bring Silicon Valley to the rest, you know, and have economic and tech hubs spread throughout the U.S. Is that something that you're still? Like, and I see a lot of, like, tech CEOs, you know, we're at the inauguration.

Like, is this a time where you feel like that's achievable? I think we've got to build the 21st century economy across this country, right? I mean, my view is we need a Marshall Plan for America. You've got $14 trillion in my district. Five companies over a trillion dollars. And the sole democratic message, the top message, should be we have a vision for how your community, your family is going to have economic success in the 21st century. In my view, Donald Trump's kind of a 1980s guy, real estate guy, who's offering 19th century policies. Let's go have a land grab.

Like we have an illegal Canadian-American war like we had a Mexican-American war. That's not how you build modern wealth, nor is it just through blanket tariffs. Why are we having a tariff on coffee? We don't make it here. Why are we getting into this massive trade war with China where they're not sending their rare earth minerals and now Argentinian farmers are selling their soybeans to China? The way we build modern wealth is by financing new factories in different communities, by having AI academies where people can understand AI and adopted and have technology jobs. trade in the technology, like drones and medical research and other areas, animation, where they can actually get jobs that pay well beyond without a college degree,

having trade schools, having an investment in health care jobs. Like, we should be the party that says, here's our vision for building economic wealth across this country. There are a lot of criticisms I get every day. One thing I can't be criticized is knowing how to build modern wealth. They come from a district which really is doing that, and I want us to be able to do that across America. I think if we become the party that is the party of economic growth across America, we're going to win. Isn't part of it, though, that the agglomeration effects of it being in one place?

Like, that's what, like, San Francisco was the place to be for tech. So, like, that's why the more people that move there, the more that people were jumping companies and doing that, like, how do you really spread that to other areas? How do you even pick one of, like, you guys are going to do this, you guys are going to do that? I'm not opposed to industrial policy but it does seem hard to pick winners and even where to put them. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean, look, it's not like we can say,

okay, let's create Google or open AI in the middle of the country just through industrial policy. But we could have a thousand trade school so that we know that with AI, certain jobs are still going to be there, construction jobs, plumbing jobs, welding jobs. We could have tech trade jobs.

You know, if you have a skill in a certification, 12 weeks on a drone, you can make 50 bucks an hour by having the drone look at roofs on houses and recommend what to do. We could have them be trained on medical technology so that they become technicians and you don't need a college degree. So what are we doing in terms of the tech trades in employment? What are we doing in terms of people who can use AI to help their small businesses? What are we doing in terms of health care jobs? jobs that are going to exist. I just think that there's, we can't create trillion-dollar companies everywhere, but we can create diverse, vibrant 21st century economies everywhere. We know it's funding

in health care and education, in the trades. We know it's advanced manufacturing. We could have new steel plants come up that are direct reduction in iron if we're hydrogen and don't have the same kind of emissions and put them in western Pennsylvania or Ohio. And then how do you balance with AI, the long-term benefits that could provide, like, curing disease or aging with the short-term costs of, like, AI addiction to chatbots or, you know, AI psychosis or just job displacement? Yeah, I'm very concerned. I think that if we don't make AI for all of us, it's going to mean more money in the pockets of the billionaires in my district. So we need a job support program. I think you need a future workforce administration that hires young people. Unemployment rates almost

10% for 16 to 24-year-olds and says, okay, you want to help come to government to make services better, you want to do work on health care? Do you want to do work in your community, on wellness, on education, on climate, then we're going to hire you. You can get some skills for a few years. I think we need to be supporting apprenticeships. We need to be changing the tax code so we make it easier for people to be hired as opposed to machines. We need a whole job agenda. or you're going to have displacement. And then we need to abolish the bots on social media. We need to be not having these platforms have immunity for algorithms that are causing harm,

or you're going to have AI continue to put junk and extremism in people's feeds and further poison American democracy. So if the question is, do we need to regulate and have policy to deal with AI to help ordinary Americans, Absolutely. If I was an ordinary person, I'd be scared, too. And this San Francisco consensus that it's all just going to be great is wrong. Can it have good effects? Yes, but only if we have democratic control over it. Do you think it should be regulated at the national or the state level? I think ideally at the national level, but I was opposed to this bill that they tried to sneak in to say no state should have regulation. I mean, that would be terrible because what often happens is you have states regulating it and then you have a national bill. But they have a view. Trump vans believe that they call it accelerationists that we don't want to lose to China. We just need to not regulate it, let it explode here.

I disagree with that. I think we can develop AI in a way that is responsible so you don't have extremist feeds in social media, so you don't have chat GPT recommending suicide about that on being a chat box like chat GPT, not literally chat TVT. and so you have jobs. And I think these are the big questions that the Congress should be focused on. And David Sachs was saying he's a heads-up AI

for the Trump admin, and he was saying we need to do it at the national level now so that it's not a patchwork of regulation so we lose this accelerated battle with China, but also so that California doesn't have outsized influence on what the regulations are. Do you feel that's a fair representation of how it would work?

Well, first of all, you know, California has built a lot of the AI. So it's not like we have a regulatory framework that doesn't allow for innovation. I mean, the whole AI ecosystem, Open AI, Google, X, and meta, they're all in California, Nvidia, Broadcom, that are producing the chips. And I agree with, David, that we need a national framework. And you could have a national framework that then preempts state laws. But until we have a national framework, we need state laws.

And then moving into social media, obviously we're in a really just crazy time period. People are so worked up, angry. There's a lot of justifications for violence. I know you've proposed legislation that would hopefully temper that. Can you get into COSA and some of the other stuff you're behind? Yeah, a couple of things. First, have legislation eliminating bots on social media. of the extremism comes from bonds.

Second, have a standard of harm for children. If you're under 18, you shouldn't be having your data taken and then having an algorithm, send you stuff that may lead to an eating disorder or suicidal thoughts or make you self-conscious of how you look or make you have mental health issues. Other countries do this. They protect children and teenagers who are online. But third, we need to have some accountability if you've got algorithms that are causing harm in this country.

And so if you're a social media platform, okay, you're not responsible for someone's speech. But if you're choosing to amplify it through your algorithm, you shouldn't have immunity for that. And if we put that kind of liability on algorithms, we will force these social media. platforms to move away from just algorithmic amplification, and that will lead to less outrage, less extremism, less hate in our country. And you know these people well. Like Elon Musk wrote a blurb for your book. And you guys have since kind of your relationship is frayed a little bit because of Doge

and other things. Overall, do you think, do you have tech optimism? Do you think that these kind of innovators and powerful people are working towards a better, more prosperous country for all of us? I think a lot of people in technology and innovation do that and they get into it because they want to cure cancer and they want to improve communications and they want to make things, build things that make our lives easier. But they have too much power right now.

They can have huge money on super PACs. They control too much of the information ecosystem. I mean, basically think of like Elon Musk if he owned the only one of the biggest newspapers and then he wrote five editorials every day for that newspaper. I mean, it's too much control. Larry Ellison getting TikTok and... Yeah, his consolidation of power is really freaking me out. That's been one that sent me into a conspiracy spiral where I'm like, he has TikTok.

I get that Oracle was doing the data for TikTok for a while. So it wasn't just like gifted to him from the admin. But then, you know, his son. is also taken over three-fourths of the Hollywood establishment. I know people were annoyed with Lena Khan and they thought she slowed business too much and like M&A wasn't happening. But are we over-correcting the other ways? There are too much consolidation of power right now?

There is. And I supported Lena Khan. I think Selena Khan's work was important on consolidation. But right now, the scariest thing is basically got, you know, Zuckerberg in charge of Instagram and Facebook, Elon in charge of X. Larry Ellison was going to be in charge of TikTok. This is how our young people often are getting information. And they get to decide the algorithms of what people are seeing.

This should really be concerning. Would we allow three of these billioners that in the 1960s and 70s have owned ABC, CBS, and NBC and gotten to decide who were anchors? And they own all of Hawaii. Huh? They own like all of Hawaii. Yeah. Doesn't Ellison own 98% of limitations?

you know but but yeah i they do they have like private islands and some of them are trying to create but lino is one of the main islands he's got 98% of it yeah i i didn't know that but that's more and you they should be taxed like why can't we have a wealth tax you know like if elin bus becomes a trillionaire which is his goal and you taxed it 5% a trillion dollars you know you would be able to have free public college for everyone in america like why why can't we tax these people two, three, four percent under, if you're making over a hundred, if you're worth over $100 million. And so tax them, stop the super PACs, stop the consolidation.

And I think that because I represent technology, I understand something. I'm willing to speak out against sort of a tech oligarchy. That doesn't make me anti-innovation. It just means that I don't believe a few people should control our future. And what's the smarter way to, sorry, go ahead. I'm just, I'm curious about the algorithms and proposing legislation. on algorithms, are you thinking that of passing laws that would prevent these companies from making it addictive, kind of treating it like we treated cigarettes or alcohol back in

the day? Is that something that you're thinking? Yeah, like here's what we can say that, you know, if you have an algorithm that causes emotional mental health issues, especially for young people, or more generally, if causes you said, then you can be held liable for that. Right now they have Section 2. 230 immunity, which basically means they get to design the platform and they're not liable for anything unless they have a copyright violation. I think they need to be held liable for the harm that their algorithmic choices are causing. And they should not have blanket Section 230 immunity for that.

And that really would be one of the biggest fixes we could have, not just the harm that's happening in the country right now to young people or to individuals on some. addicted to social media, but also the toxicity of our conversation, because if I say something outrageous right now, I don't plan on, but if I did, you know, you'd go viral. And if I don't, you still have a huge following, so you'll do fine. But the point is, we reward the most dumb, outrageous statements. Would that mean reverting back to kind of the original social media platforms, where it's kind of follower-based and you basically are fed

the people you follow? Is that? Yeah, I mean, look, one thing you could be fed where you follow, you could have it chronological. I just would, right now it's just maximized

for getting you hooked on spending the most time online. And it sends outrage. That's its business model. It sells outrage. It preys on our weakest to emotions. And I'm not immune to that. If something is funny or conflict oriented on

and I'm browsing through X, I probably am going to click on that too. So what we're trying to do is say, well, can there be a different model? And to me, if you start to have liability for algorithms that cause harm, then you get these social media companies to say, you know what, we can't just do the algorithmic model. We've got to think of other ways of monetizing. And there are other ways they can monetize. They can have subscriptions. They can do without the kind of outrage. So there needs to be reformed. It just seems so hard to decide, like, what made so, like, like, what, how do you

determine harm? And it seems like people just like negative, like negativity. Like, there's like a negativity bias in news, like on cable news. Like, should we have people like stop having such negative stories on like CNN because or like Fox, you know, like, I guess like, what's the distinction between like the algorithmic feed that you're getting fed. We lost you, Ro. I think he's muted, yeah.

Ro, you're muted. You look like you're cooking. But if you're amplifying something that is causing a kid to... Ro, I'm sorry, we lost you for a little bit there. You're speaking now through, I assume, your laptop mic rather than your microphone. Hello? Yeah, can you hear us? We're going to see how tech-adept you are right now.

Hello? the tech companies heard yeah right deal just shut us down dude it's interesting I do like what he's saying about legislating the algorithm

because to me it is treating it like an addictive substance is kind of you legislate that but it is harmful yeah I just wonder yeah Roe can you hear us

yeah sorry I don't know I think we got cut off somewhere no it's good we were bummed because you were as J.T. said, you looked like you were cooking. Yeah. I don't want people to say, okay, you've got a hard question. There goes wrong. You know, you know, that old politician's trick. It's not only connection problems or the best one is like, I got to vote. I got to vote.

I got to run. If you don't mind it, we can edit around it. Do you mind taking that again in terms of how you distinguish between different kinds of negative excitement that comes through the media? Yeah, look. If someone is saying that I don't believe in climate change, I think they should be allowed to express that opinion. And you can't have a truth police that tells us what is true and what is false. That's a counter to the First Amendment. I'm a huge First Amendment person.

But if you are amplifying something that is going to get a 12-year-old to do the choking challenge and the kid dies, then you should be liable. That shouldn't be protected under Section 230. If you're amplifying something where there's a post that says, we plan to kill Vice President Pence at this time on the Capitol on January 6th, you should be held liable. And so if we have liability for algorithms that are leading to extreme conduct that we can all agree is harmful, then I think these platforms will be more careful. They don't have to police speech, but they can at least mitigate the worst kind of content. And there's some legal precedent, right? Like with the Facebook case around vaccine misinformation, they found standing. But all the conservative judges dissented and said there wasn't standing.

So it seems like if this gets to a legal situation, it could be an uphill battle. And look, that got caught up in the whole COVID debate. But there are clear cases of misinformation on public health that causes clear harm. getting young kids to have suicidal thoughts or do choking challenges. I mean, well, we've got to start with getting rid of the extremes. And that's not going to make the internet a polyanish place where we're all having civil conversations like this. But at least it starts to not be the Wild West,

and you can't have this view that I can just do whatever algorithm I want and put whatever content I want and I am no liability. Especially with X, I had to delete X because the, algorithm was just serving me murder videos. I'm like, I, you know, I didn't, I don't want to go on a social media platform and see people dying every day. It's pretty disturbing. I know when I only do the following page, but I know when I've accidentally clicked over

for four you within like a second. Oh, yeah. Because it's just like, it's like, this isn't my vibe. Like, it's just so, it's just wackier, like immediately. Yeah. It's, it's horrific. Yeah. And the other thing is you should have control over your own data because we get

We get these big companies, they get all your data, and then they're able to target individuals with these kind of algorithms. And I called in 2017 with Tim Berners-Lee, who was the founder of the World Wide Web. We called for an internet bill of rights, saying, you know, you should have sovereignty over your data. And by the way, they don't even give the American people a check. If you got a check every year just for your data, it's not a huge amount. But you get about 500 bucks. Instead, all that money is just being piled up in these tech companies. That's how, in part, they've become these trillion-dollar payments.

Those are called data dividends. Is that what you called it? Data dividends, yeah. And it's not going to like change your life, right. Change your life. But people, you know, if you're getting, if you get 500 bucks at the end of it for all the data they're taking that, you should get that. And yet at least you should have a choice about it in terms of whether you want to give

all your data to them so that they can do a for you page. I love that. I did see, so you've been outspoken that Congress, like the Trust Act, should not be able to sell stocks, buying sell stocks. But then I read that your wife has like a super active stock portfolio. What's up with that? It's a trust. It's a trust. It has, it was before marriage, nothing to, no claim over it, nothing.

And it's in like an index fund. It's a, it's an in a trust. And the Trust Act would require, basically. basically every member of Congress not to trade and to have in trusts. But so would we get transparency on the whole fam, or would it just be the congresspersons? No, it's the whole family. It's trust, but it requires people to be in a trust, which is exactly what eliminates conflict of interest.

And then this is more personal. I recently saw Vivek-Ram-Swamy doing like a town hall meeting on Ohio. where he's running for governor, and he was getting grilled by Christians for not being Christian enough. As a fellow Hindu man, did you have any feelings around that? What did you make of it? Well, you know, I actually came to his defense, Vivek. So Vivek and I have had conversations, and I said that I thought he was thoughtful with that young man. He had them read the Constitution.

In Article 6 of the Constitution says there's no religious test for political office. And then you talked about our founders, Thomas Jefferson, being a deist and believing in a God, but not having to be part of a particular church. I think it's important to have people of faith in a government, but I'm proud of my faith. If Hindu, Hinduism is a monotheistic faith, you believe in God and it believes that you have a duty to your family, you have a duty to the country. The person who inspired my politics was my grandfather. he was in jail alongside Gandhi for four years fighting for India's independence and standing up for human rights. That was because of his faith in Hinduism. So I think what's important is to have people of faith who have values of a duty to country, a duty to family, wanting to do right. And

I thought Vivek handled that well. People have a right to ask politicians any question. And a lot of times that folks don't want to come on to shows like you because it's not like you sent me all the questions and they don't want to take a question that that makes them uncomfortable. And so I think you've got to go out. And obviously, people have the right to say, okay, if you're of a faith, then I'm not of. What does this mean for your values? But to me, I want to believe in Lincoln that we have a political religion in this country. And that's an adherence to the Constitution. when I was sworn in in Congress, I swore in on the Constitution. I wish we had more reverence for the Constitution these days.

And that to me is really what our issue should be. This is another personal question. I was very psyched to read that you taught law at Santa Clara University. Is that correct? I did. I talked one or two classes there. I thought more. I talked for four years.

economics at Stanford, but I had the opportunity to do a class at Santa Clara. Do you have a connection to the Broncos? That's where I went to college. It's a great university, and it's in my district, and I go there all the time. I love that. I know you weren't a student, but I have to ask, did you ever get a chance to party on Bellamy Street? I didn't. I had students who did.

What did you study there? Philosophy. Wow. Wow. Heavy duty major. Well, look, it's an incredible, incredible place. It's a beautiful campus. A lot of great values.

People really are active there in the community. It's a big part of Santa Clara. So, yeah, no, I go there all the time. We have events there. My district office is right near Santa Clara University. So come by. We'll head back to the campus. Oh, that'd be great.

You were a business major, right? Economics major. Copy. And it's a sort of tangential to that. A thing that's been kind of spinning me out, both parties seem committed to spending, despite the fact that we're $30 trillion in debt and paying interest on that debt has become a number one line item. Are we screwed? Well, I have a plan and people can Google it that would lower our debt and deficit, a debt by $12 trillion over 10 years. And it would be by taxing more,

taxing the billionaires, taxing inheritance. And would that be income tax or would that be capital gains? It would be a wealth tax. Wealth tax on billionaires, tax on stock buybacks, raise the corporate tax rate to 28%. If you may give money to your kids,

they should have to pay the capital gains appreciation. Right now they get a step up in basis. You shouldn't be able to just put money in. trust and let it appreciate also without having to pay tax. So there are things we can do to raise revenue. And then I have cuts. We don't need a 56% of our budget over a trillion dollars going to defense contractors for endless wars. We don't need Medicare advantage that is ripping off the American taxpayer because they make people sicker than they are and then they collect from Medicare. We don't need fossil.

They, like, add, it's like, my understanding of Medicare advantage is that, like, they basically, like, submit, like, codes that determine, that represent sicknesses, and then they just get money back for treating those, so they're incentivized to just, like, add more on so that they get more money, even though they don't have to necessarily treat it. Is that correct? Yeah, I mean, there's, exactly, that there's documented evidence that they'll basically make a patient look sicker. Oh, the patient has diabetes. That patient has heart disease so that they get some fixed money. And then when they've been audited, it turns out that patient wasn't as sick as they claim. And this is billions of dollars. So, like, what's, I mean, on that one, it seems like such a cut and dry one. Like, has there been any movement on that?

Like, in discussions with your colleagues on either side of the aisle? People talk about it. But look, these insurance companies have huge influence in our politics. And they scare people. oh, they want to ban private insurance. No, we just want it to be honest. And why are you calling yourself Medicare Advantage? They confuse seniors to thinking it's Medicare when it's not.

The problem is the Medicare Advantage plans often cover dental vision and hearing. Medicare doesn't. That's why we need Medicare to cover dental vision and hearing and not have people just get full for these Medicare Advantage plans. And then, by the way, if they have catastrophic illness, they realize these Medicare Advantage plans aren't covering what they needed to be covered. it's a total racket, in my view. They shouldn't be allowed to use the name Medicare, and there needs to be reform. But you're up against very powerful interest.

The defense contractors, big pharma, the big insurance companies, these are very powerful lobbies in Congress, and they prevent a lot of reform. And in terms of, because you come out from the perspective of a progressive capitalist, And then there's also another wing of the party that has a lot of momentum right now, which is more of like the DSA philosophy. We've talked about Chuck Schumer. When you look at the future of the party, where do you see it going? I think it's a progressive future that fundamentally is about tackling income inequality.

And I, of course, co-chaired Bernie Sanders' campaign. I endorsed him in 2016. I've been George Zoran, Mamdani, I'm going to campaign for him on November 1st. But I think that in addition, where I have called myself a progressive capitalist instead of a Democratic socialists, is I'm for taxing wealth, I'm for Medicare for all, child care, $10 a day, free college. But I also think in addition to having the pie be fear, you've got to grow the pie. And that to grow the pie, you need the private sector investment for job creation.

You need technology, credential. for programs and the tech trades, and you need the private sector to build things. And so I don't have a anti-business, reflexively anti-business view. I think you've got to combine economic growth with economic fairness. That to me was the New Deal. That was FDR. He did win four terms. So my view is that we can learn something.

So those ideas, sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, like, if you were, let's say you were the head of the Democratic Party, what kind of candidates would you be running out? what would be your platform to just be like, okay, midterms are coming up. These are like, you know, our top priorities and we have to pound the pavement just talking about these things. What would you do? Well, for the midterms, I would say they're taking away money from working, hardworking

Americans in the working class and middle class to give tax breaks to the people in my district. And is that really what you want? Is that helping the forgotten Americans? We need to be focused on taxing the billioners in my district and making sure people have health care and lowering their child care costs, lowering their utilities costs and education costs, and here's some ideas of how we do that, lowering their grocery costs. I mean, instead of getting $20 billion to Argentina, what if we had just given money to help people with the extra grocery bills they're having because of these irrational tariffs?

That would be the message in the midterms, and I'd run what we're doing. I'd have Abigail Spanberger running for governor of Virginia. I went and campaign for her, Mikey Cheryl, a campaign for her in New Jersey, and I'm going campaign for Zoran Namdhi. Like, we don't need the same person running in every district or every state. People, we have a big, we should be a big tent party. And I'd focus on how Trump hasn't delivered for lowering prices and working class Americans. For the broader issue of the party, I would say, how do we become the party that has the economic message for the future, that we understand what it's going to take for you to build wealth, to have economic independence, to get a good job

for your kids to understand the future digital economy and to make sure that your costs are skyrocketing on debt from healthcare, debt from college, make sure you can buy a house. I mean, did you see Maxwell House is now called Maxwell Apartments? It's like such a sad commentary. Maxwell House was the coffee brand because people buy a house. Like, we should be the party that says,

we want to rebuild the American dream. And do you see housing, but you still see that being, like settled mostly on a local level in terms of zoning and like density but that sort of thing or do you know i think we should have a big big federal program the double construction of housing in this country and we should be offering low interest loans to first time home buyers along with down payment assistance to make home ownership something achievable uh in in america but you can do all that and the school and the child's care without uh adding to the debt well you got to tax You've got to be willing to tax more.

I'm willing to tax more. I mean, I have a proposal which lowers the deficit by $12 trillion, lowers the debt by $12 trillion, gets deficits under 4% of GDP, and does some of the childcare and housing and three-taxings. But it has higher taxes on billionaires, higher corporate tax, financial transaction tax, cuts on the defense budget, cuts on fossil fuel. subsidies, cuts on the Medicare Advantage program. Where do you get that estimate from in terms of how much? Do you put your proposal through the CBO or do you have your own, like, independent kind of economist team that does it for you? We have our economist team that does it, but it's all public where we would cut, where we

would raise revenue. We can follow the math if we want to do the due diligence on it. You can follow the math. And if people have criticisms or construct, they can tweet at me. I read a lot of my tweets at Roll Cana or say. send me an email. And, you know, it's not perfect. Obviously, I'm sure there's some places that could be stronger. But I feel like every member of Congress should show their math and show where are you going to cut? Where are you going to raise revenue? Chris, do you want to land it?

Do you want to, do you have another question? I was going to see if you wanted to ask if your question you had about restarting Congress. Oh, yeah. I mean, so is there any way that the Republicans can, like, what in your mind do the Republicans do? Like, what would they have to capitulate on to get the government reopen? Because they do need Democratic votes to reopen the government, correct? Well, first, they could actually just reopen the government. They've got 51 senators. They've got the Republicans in the House and they have the presidency.

I've been against the filibuster consistently. When Biden was president, I thought we should have gotten rid of it to pass the Voting Rights Act and to raise the living wage. But they've already gotten rid of the filibuster to confirm Trump's appointee. and to confirm Trump's judges. So why not say that... How do they get rid of the filibuster for some things, but it's not just like, but it still exists?

Like, I guess I'm confused on that point. It's totally up to them. Foon could tomorrow say, we have an exception for presidential appointees and judges, we're going to create an exception to keep government open and they can do it. They call it the nuclear option and they scare people,

but it's not in our constitution that you need 60 votes. I think most Americans will be like, okay, yeah, just get government open if you can do it with 51 votes. So I think this point, though obvious, hasn't been made enough. I was going to say, why aren't I hearing this shouted from the rooftops? Because I've actually heard it reference. Well, they could just reopen the government, but then I'm like, how?

Don't they need 60 votes? But you're saying they can bypass that. I just had no idea. That seems crazy. They can bypass it. And they've done it for Trump's appointments. And they've done it for Trump's judges. I think the average person where I grew up in Pennsylvania is like, you know, I rather you keep the government open so the troops can get paid.

And the people who are helping deal with my social security checks can get paid. paid, then you get some presidential appointee confirmed. There should be, in my view, there shouldn't be the filibuster, but at the very least there should be an exception to keep the government open and pass a continuing resolution. You should be able to do it with 51 votes. Either party.

Do you think the parties keep the filibuster because it just gives them a built-in excuse of to, like, not actually legislate? It gives the senators more power. Every senator gets to be a king. You know, it would totally reduce the power of the Senate not to have the filibuster. And, you know, that

I've been consistent. People said, oh, you're only calling for the end of the filibuster under Biden when I went in my agenda. I did. But I'm calling for the end of it under Trump. Like, if 51 senators, you can get them on board, get them on board. I think this government is just totally paralyzed with the 60-senator rule,

especially given how polarized we are in this country. And so we're all on vacation for since September 23rd. Congress has been out because they don't want the Epstein files and we can't get government open. So they can do it tomorrow. If they want Democratic votes, They've got to concede on health care and make sure that they extend the subsidies. This thing is going to come to ahead on November 1st when people start to get their letters about their premiums going on.

And if the government workers, how many, there's four million government workers, they're going to miss their second paycheck in like a week or two? Yeah, exactly. And who are they going to be pissed at? You guys are the Republicans. I probably pissed at everyone, but so far the polling shows a little bored. the Republicans. You know why? Because no one believes the Democrats have that much power. They all think we're fabulous and aren't standing up. So the idea that like the Democrats have the power to shut down government is just not believable. Okay, copy. Well, how has it worked in past ones? Like, is this the first time where, because is it,

where does the blame usually go, the one that's the controlling government or the one that's the minority at the time? It really depends. It's something, it can go either way, but it depends. When one party controls the government like this, where you have the House, the Senate, and the presidency, it usually goes to the majority party. And no one believes the Democrats are in charge. There are a lot of things you can say about the Democrats. No one believes like Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are running the country. And so it's a really hard sell to say they're the ones blocking this. But if they want Democratic votes, they should extend the health care subsidies. juicy last cue. Who did you think was a better president? Clinton or Obama? Obama. Obama was more

ethical. Obama made us see as a moral leader around the world. Obama was the first person of color to lead not just the United States, but the Western world. And he was transformative about what we could be at our best. And now, Trump or Bush? Bush, because at least he believed in the Constitution. Though I would say that Trump's foreign policy has been less disastrous, I mean, Bush with the Iraq war really blundered. But at least Bush, you know, had a decency, he didn't demonize immigrants, and he believed in the Constitution. So I would pick Bush. And who's the best candidate who never got elected?

Wow. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, though I don't know if you ever ran for president, but he was certainly a deeply substantive person. I think someone like Bill Bradley was, you know, very idealistic. He talked about poverty. You wanted to bring the country together. Of course, Bernie Sanders. I mean, I should have been. Bernie would have been a transformation. That would be my first answer. Bernie, Bernie Sanders would have transformed this country. All right. Well, Rose, wonderful talking. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, you guys ask for no questions. You just, I've heard you on so many different kinds of podcasts.

I know you talk about how you talk to Steve Bannon. So I admire how you go across all channels to get your message across. Well, I really admire you guys. I mean, you guys have obviously gotten a great following. And I've had, I'm sure people were excited. I was doing this on my team. And I'm looking forward to getting the reaction. But we need people like, you know, you're regular guys.

You know, watch football, the 49ers, Phillies and Dodgers. And yet you're engaged in the country. And I think that's what we need. We need people who can connect with ordinary Americans, their experiences, and be like, yeah, this politics stuff really matters. So I appreciate what you're doing. Oh, thanks, bro. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Instead of congressman. I should call you congressman. Those two informants. Bro, it's fine. All right, later, dude. Thanks so much. All right, thanks.

I'll see on Bellamy. Yeah. Thank you. that was fun yeah later dude that one just said you could be chill it's like you got it man

I'll hang out he's a cool guy every time every time every time we talk to a politician I'm like he's got my girl I know

I want to say that I like them all afterwards they're very good at being legible we're not endorsing anyone yeah

and I'm sorry it's been all dams we'll interview Republicans so it's just these are the people who have reached out to us

because they they see a couple of useful idiots but yeah hope you guys enjoy it I felt like he was

best spoken we've had on You can tell he's been in the mix for a while. He knows how to do it? How long has he been in office? In 2020, maybe? Maybe he first ran in like 2018. I think it was.

But yeah, he's freaking chill, dude. Yeah, he's doing, he's getting his name out there. And I do like literally. He seems like he's just, he's potting a lot. It's sick. Oh, yeah. How old is he? 49.

49. It looks great. He did have a good smile. how many hops on that politician sheen. Oh, man. I didn't find an opening, but I'm so curious how people dress, you know what I mean?

Because, like, this was very, you know, it was just very simple. I was just want to be like, who peacocks the most in Congress? Schumer wears some big ties and stuff. He was a little goof.

I mean, I think Marjorie Taylor Green wears some pretty big fur coats. Oh, that's pretty same. She was one of the Republicans. Like 100 degrees in D.C. and wet and like a,

him go would be so sick her and her and massie were the two Republicans who voted for the the full disclosure on the Epsteiners yeah these are a brief language on Epstein stuff oh yeah I mean the full disclosure on the epi

row came in hot he's like look these women are being dude it was heavy yeah yeah 20 times I was like whoa it's like it's like it does it did ground it a little bit because Epstein the Epstein and like

the Epstein file is like they're just like such a joke to me most of the time. You know what I'm joking because it's not fun to joke about like what actually happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's more like you're joking about. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, this is. That was the one thing his team said he wanted to talk about. Yeah, yeah. I was like, we'll talk about this, this and this. And then they're like, give us some Epstein, baby. Maybe it'd be funny if they're like, we want to talk about aliens, Epstein, flat earth. He's got, he's got counters to Jesse Michaels last week.

He's like, he was wrong on Bluebeam. This is actually how it works. He also tried DMT last month. He wants to dive deep into that. That would be a good interview. Did you talk to the machine elves? What's that one? Did you make that up or is that a thing?

No, that's a thing. He's like, he's like, dude. Like Santa's like workshop elves or is like different? I don't know. I got to try it to figure out, but they're called machine elves. That's pretty cool. Oh, that's a DMT product. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, I thought it was a conspiracy theory like aliens. No, I think you do see that. When you go into hyperspace Look, Lex Friedman covered it Yeah, they just pop up and they're like Hey, what up, dude? And you're like, is this the other dimension? They're like, yeah, it's pretty sick of read. That's what happened.

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I got to give condolences and so much grace and remembrance to two legends. DeAngelo, one of the best R&B artists of all time, passed away. And then, bro, I was not expecting to get rock so hard by this. Diane Keaton, man. Yeah. There's two tough ones, like, back to back. And just, like, just different vibes. And you both felt unexpected.

Because in 79, you know, it's not young, but like, I don't know. But she'd ever seem gold. No, that's it. Yeah, because she, she aged so beautifully. And then DeAngelo, what, was 51? Do you, yeah. Do you, um, remember you, me and dad, and we watch First Wives Club together? I love that movie.

Yeah. It's probably, it's, it's kind of the, it's the first movie that I think of when I think of Diane Keaton. I watched this weekend. She's incredible in it. That was the one that I was like, and a friend on a group text was like, I need to watch First Wives Club now. And I was like, I love, that's, it's such a fun movie. So don't tell me what to do It ends of the musical number

Don't tell me what to say Just like three friends just start singing And there's like all It's awesome Yeah rest in peace to them Legends What else you guys have been up to? I got a hot take

Go baby I can hit you guys with Dude I think we should be nicer to football players You think we're mean to Oh yeah like fantasy Yeah no no no no I like in general

I think like when they when they lose I think let me rephrase it I think we should be nicer to football teams that lose no because if I if I was there

I would have caught it you fucking idiot and I would have scored so like fuck them like dude I would let him go out yeah yeah I hear you there

but like it's like you know people will be like you suck you know you're a piece of shit like you You, like, you know, Stephen A will just rip a new B-hole. He is a loser.

Yeah, you're a loser. And I'm like, they're human beings. They're people. And are they trying their best? They're trying their best. They're trying their best. 95% of the time. I think we should get stoked on them for just participating.

Be like, dude, tough break, but I'm glad he participated. Even if it's one of the only professions where it's like there's a clear winner and loser. Like, why did, is that why we love it? Because we get to put them in this binary. Yeah. Why are we always making things binary? it's also like there's so there's like 17 games is a lot

and there's always when there's a week between games yeah the narrative is for a whole week and then it changes immediately so it's like a guy I'll get shit on for just having like like maybe just one bad play and then like for a week like people are like you fucking suck

why don't you go kill yourself yeah like it's so intense and then they can score four touchdowns the next game and everyone's like MVP candidate and it's like at one point of it you know they'll be like on top of the world it's like you know and it's just like you know sometimes I'm like you go online and you see like Cowboys defense sucks or like you know coach McDaniel's a loser now or you know the Jets always blow and I'm like maybe have some just like a little bit think about

their feelings a little bit. A couple weeks ago I think it was DeAndre Hopkins was being interviewed and he's like you know he's a little bit later in his career but like was like an amazing receiver somebody's like you know like this and this person was talking like does that motivate you and he's like no I would say that my dad dying when I was young and my mom going blind motivates me you know like real stuff yeah he's a badass like you're amazing I mean something poison in his mom's face too that's what really yeah that's how she went blind yeah That's crazy That's why when DeAngel

Hall went at him Went out of him in that scrimmage And Hopkins looked at him And said like this I only fear God Right It's like you have been through some And so like yeah

Despite my joke I totally agree Like we're like No like all DM players All the time Like Yeah I know Who lost last weekend

The Jaguars I like I DMT Trevor Lawrence I'm like Dude like You did lose my fandom But I still really respect you as a dude and I don't think they should get you down that that's another good thing to

talk about yeah is that so this football season you came in as a jaguars fan a rams fan a rams fan yeah but that happened last year right that like transition ago i was a jaguars fan then i became a rams fan okay i came in this season and rams fan and then they they were kind of slow out the gates and the jaguars were doing well so then you flip the jaguars were four and one and i was like well i guess i'm a jaguars fan now they lost last weekend and And I was like, you know, four and two, you can't have me. And so I, you know, let them know publicly. And I also DM Trevor and ETN.

I was like, I was, you know, sorry, I can't do it this season. But this weekend, Rams are playing the Jags. Whoa. So I DMM them both, Sean McVeigh, Stafford, Puka, Trevor, Etienne. I don't know who else is on the Jags, even though they're my team. and I was like, dude's like, you're fighting for my fandom, so. Yeah, give it your all. So whoever wins, like, I'm going to be a fan of.

They're back in your... Until... Until they lose again. Until they lose again, maybe... I like this. Because also, like... Is there a chance that... Is there a chance you go from Rams to Jags to a new third team?

That's what I was just about to ask. Like, I can respect that you're still feeling it out with two. Yeah. I don't know. I might not care, but like, right, the Bucker looks amazing. So, I could, I mean, if the Bucks keep winning, I, you know, who knows? I mean, you never know it's football. Yeah, I think by the end of the season, yeah, it could be a Bucs fan.

Also, you might be watching a Rams game and be like, and somebody that they're playing against, she's like, who's that guy? That's amazing. Exactly. You're allowed to fall in love. I was an Eagles fan after the Super Bowl last year. Yeah, I became, I became an Eagles fan. It was like, it was like right before halftime.

I was like, whoa, I'm an Eagles fan now. I DM Bradley Cooper. I was like, dude, how about our Eagles? And then I just hopped on a flight. And I was, and I got to celebrate the Super Bowl in Philly. Yeah, they looked a little rough the last couple weeks. Yeah, that's why I'm not a fan. Right.

But that's not like, but like last year they won the Super Bowl. And I remember like week five or six, like talking to an Eagles fan like, Siriotti's got to go. He lost that locker room last year. He had the skirmish with the fan. Yeah, and it's like, and then they went a Super Bowl and it's like, nobody knows. But then Bobby Brown after the Super Bowl.

And dude, like, yeah, I, you know, when I was an Eagles fan for like a few weeks, I was, you know, I got really into it. I was talking shit. I was like, I was like, I'll eat it. Yeah. And Will Conner said you guys like to watch like the Eagles, right? Or no, he said the Niners.

He said Niners. He said Niners and then Phillies. He's like, look, you're normal guys, you like to watch the Niners and the Phillies and the, like, thank you for the research. He'd be like, wow, he did your research. We do watch the Phillies. He's like the Dodgers.

He made a big spread. He's like, I'll get him with one of these. San Francisco, L.A. This is a good guess is for California boys. Phillies, because why not? Maybe he threw in like the Knicks or something. You guys like hamburgers and pizza and all sorts of chocolate milk. You guys are, you know, you're normal.

what guy is you like barbecue and you like you like to hit him from the back but you don't mind kisses when missionary I'm like that guy gets it yeah that is true that is true he knows me um that's funny um yeah this is gonna be a big weekend for me

um I said it I also like to imagine that you just like buy a jersey immediately whenever you fall in love with the team so you just have like JT told me he's like you should wear you should rock both Jaggers and Is it in L.A.? It's in London. Oh, that is the ultimate London game.

The L.A. Rams Jaguars. The Rams are so funny because they can look so horrible for like three and a half hours of a game and then just look like the best team in football for 15 minutes. The Jags, I don't ever really feel like they look like the best team in football. I haven't watched the Rams much. It feels like to me from an outsider, like if they don't have puka, they can't move the ball. Yeah. And he's got the bust and ankle.

He's a dog. Man, that guy's awesome. He's good. I like watching that guy play football. All right. Who's the most badass, white badass in the league right now? There's a couple guys. There's a guy who's had it, and now there's new guys on the corner.

Is it Baker? Is it Cam Scadabow, or is it Jackson Dart? It's, it's... They all got similar energy. It's Baker. They're all shocking-esque. Yeah, Baker's just... He's just on a scramble he had was...

He's on such a heater. What a guy. I like him a lot. Would you see him talking shit to the fan? No. The fan was how she was like, you're a fucking loser dude. I'll be back in fucking half time. You'll be on your fucking knees, bitch.

I think he said bitch instead of. It was in the tunnel, like right before they walked out. Yeah. Yeah, like, we'll talk later because, like. Can we pull it up? Yeah, can you go to YouTube, Jake? Oh, it's the one where he's in the different uniform, the like more light orange instead of the red.

Oh, did you see it right here? Yeah, third row towards the middle. That's definitely the game. It was really. He's so funny. Come on. Paywall? You know, it's going to be funny.

The more politicians we talked to him. I'm like, bro, Conn, take care of this, man. Are you going to get rid of paywalls? Are you going to make it so my parlay hits more often. Dude, that's kind of crazy. Prediction markets, you can just gamble on him? I wanted to ask about that, too.

Yeah, just to, for it. Dude, you want to put that out. Are you at that? You need the subtitles. Oh, there you go. Dude, you can see the offensive lineman right next to him. just smile and, like, laugh at his Baker is going, yeah, yeah, we'll talk at halftime.

We'll talk at halftime, you pussy. And then the guy next to the stuff, like, it's, you got to be, you just got to love that, dude. He's like, man, this guy, Baker, like, he's just sitting there laughing about man, Baker's being Baker, like, I'm just talking shit to fans. That would be so fun. You fucking pussy. He's just, he's playing the best right now.

And their games are so fun. Because their defense, like, can make some play. but they give up a good amount of points and the offense is amazing and they keep losing guys and they just keep coming back like they keep scoring it's awesome how about the

how about when Tess Johnson caught the touchdown and they thought they were chanting MVP for him that was adorable and he gets back to the bench and I think it was Mike Evans was like you know Baker threw you the ball bro yeah he was like why they that was a sick catch by Ted Johnson they were like why are they chained for me

I haven't done nothing all years he's talking about Baker bro Is that the guy from Oregon? Is Ted Johnson one from Oregon? I don't know. Yeah, he was like Bo Nix's like, they grew up in the same house. Yeah, he's like one of the tiniest guys in the NFL. I think he's like 140 pounds soaking wet.

But he's so quick that they just throw deep balls to him. That's pretty much all. Yeah, he was flat on that way. He went full airborne. It was sick. Dude, it's kind of been a lot of bad football though on Sunday, I thought. Last Sunday? Yeah.

Like just a lot of sloppy. inconsistent football. I think I'm also getting old. Yeah, I think part of it. I mean, granted I'm a new. I think I agree.

I'm like, come on, man, penalties. Come on, get it together. I'm a new watcher, but it seems like

the season has some has had some really good games. Yeah, what's been the best game? The Bill's, Ravens. It's kind of lost a little luster because the Ravens are crap.

I made a great prediction on this pot. I think I said the Ravens were going to win it this year. You know what? Pat's Bill's was a good game, even though it wasn't as high. scoring. Oh, yeah. A lot of

turnovers and it was ugly early. Drake May is nice. I think the Niners Rams game was good. That was fun.

That was really fun. That was really fun. That was really fun. They're good, man. I have a lot of respect for a Shannon. He's such a good

coach. They're just always like, is it just because like I know a lot of people trash their field and they do always, they are, they do always feel like

the most injured team in the NFL. Dude, Fred Warner getting hurt, that bum me out. That bum me out. He was so, he's so sick.

He's so sick and he looks so awesome. They did slow move him after one of the games where they had like a big stop and you see him running and you're like, yeah, that's a man. It was like two days later I'm like driving in the car

with Becca and I'm like Fred Warner got hurt. She's really sad. It doesn't affect my life in any way but like he's a really good football player and I really like watch. You only missed one game I saw like his whole career. That was like one where like you know like different text threads

where it's like somebody's like Fred Warner's down and everyone's just like fuck that's sad because he's so sick and he's got the dreads and he fucking flies it's so cool to watch just somebody run really fast and then hit someone really hard it's the best is uh is puka he got injured but is he is he out for i don't know he's a tough he's a tough fucker so yeah i can see him playing i haven't look though he's not on my fantasy squad so i'm not as invested i'm bum that burrow keeps getting injured yeah it's one of his things i mean what did he have this

was it turf toe that's got a turf toe that thing F's people up Do you ever had like a I mean it's a broken toe And it's on his plant foot Like have you ever hurt your toe Even when it's a tiny one It like hurts to walk

Brutal I remember when Shaq had it When we were like Like 13 or something And he was getting a lot of heat Everyone's like you're 7 foot 340 And you're complaining about your toe Yeah

And then there would always be like Accountant This was before there was like internet So many opinions But like someone would be like Dude busted toe Well fuck your day up Dude, it does.

It's like, it hurts bad. Also, like, what are those, has those people ever stubbed their toe, you know? No, or had to play a professional contest of athleticism. Yeah, and you can't, like, tape it up. Yes. You know, like, you can't put an ankle, like, there's no, like, toe brace.

Maybe, maybe there should be, though. That's a billion-dollar idea. Dude, I got a legend in a hot take wrapped in one. I want to give it up to Daryl Christoph. He's a Jehovah's Witness from Georgia, originally from A-Z. His dad grew up a Crip, and then he left. He said you're allowed to leave the Crips if it's for religious reasons. That's cool.

That's really cool. I had no idea. Super sweet guy. We're sitting next to each other on the airplane. He's 6'8. So he tapped the guy in front and was like, bro, you can't put your seat back, pointed at his knees. He saw me looking at football. So we started talking ball.

So maybe I think of it. And then we started laughing about politicians, philand. And then I find out he's a Jehovah's Witness. And all I know about Jehovah's Witness is they're always trying to convert people. Then some people don't like him. Great guy. And he was showing me different verses and stuff. I told him how I don't like the conflation of money in church.

And he was like Matthew 3, 5, like the love of money is the problem, not the money itself. And I was like, oh, this is cool. And then it made me realize like, if you're really Christian, I get why we get annoyed sometimes when those guys try to convert us. but like, if you're really Christian, you think that if you're not converted, you're going to burn in hell. Oh, yeah. Like, they're just trying to do us a solid?

He's just trying to keep you out of hell. For sure. Like, if you're a good Christian, you should, every time you call me, you should almost be like, bro, please convert. I don't want to see your feet on fire for eternity. And so it kind of re-contextualized

Christians to me where I'm I don't know where I fall but I grew up Catholic so I'm like yeah it kind of makes sense what would you're trying to save someone's soul just looking out yeah yeah you're looking for your boy it's just like look you're on my porch and like I gotta go like you know yeah in that situation I get it and like it's like look I appreciate it I think I'll be fine but like I pray you know what if anybody wants to pray for me because I'm a godless heathen like go for it and you didn't try to convert me that hard too I should say he was pretty gentle about it. He also sounds like a chiller.

Some people can be pushier, which like, I see what you're saying. They're like, well, they're just trying to help. Well, that's how I became a Scientologist. Right. On the part. Yeah. You got converted? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wait, but weren't you just flying from Burbank to SF? Yeah, I mean, dude, I'm one pamphlet and I was in. This is a 23-minute flight. Yeah, yeah. It was just Tom Cruise flexing and he's like, be like me. And I'm like, yeah. He's pretty cut, especially after last Samara. He had those forearms built up.

Oh, yeah. And he converted you when you were young. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've been a Scientologist since I was like 10. I know. It's one of those things where like, you've never invited me. And like it seems like a big part of it is like recruiting other people. So I'm always like, I don't want it.

But like an invite would be nice to get, you know, get my readings done. Right. Yeah. And no, I'm sorry about that. I just, you know. They do like to recruit people, but... But they kind of, you know, I floated your names and... Oh, yeah, I didn't...

Oh, they saw photos and said no. I'm not tall enough or something, you know? Like, what? They don't have to be blonde. Was that in the photo? They could see how you write down our heights on the photo. You're too short. Oh, my God.

You're like a huge tall. I know. I know. I just crossed over. That's bullshit. And a lot of critics would be like, Like, but doesn't Tom Cruise like 5'7? And I'm like, oh. Yeah, I'm taller than Tom Cruise.

Well, Scientology made him taller. Oh, well, that's something even better. Yeah, yeah. But I was like, love to look, you guys can make these guys taller. And they're like, no, there's really tough. If any religion could make me taller, amen. Dude, religion should start doing that where they're like, no, you can't. And then you'd be like, no, now I want to be in.

Oh, make it restrictive. Yeah, yeah, that's true. It's like early Facebook. What if it was like, we'll make you look better? and then they just sit you in a gym all day and they're like, see, it's the Lord's work. Oh, dude, I mean, that's a big thing. I saw a guy when I was in the Montana airport

it said barbells in Christ. That's a new thing. That's what's fucking sick. Yeah, it was pretty badass. He had a photo of Jesus, but instead of the cross, he just had a barbell across his back. If you had your top two things on a shirt, what would it be?

Like, if you were like, two words go. Oh, that's true. Like, if I had to distill it down, mine would probably be politics and pussy yeah you love both you don't know

anyone who loves that more than you know yeah missionary doggy style yeah yeah yeah you know what I thought

was cool too can you tell the listeners as you close in on a million you're close to a million followers on IG when you got to 500,000 the Scientologist as a gift

we're going to give you like a minion like a human to do stuff you. Yeah, yeah, Freddy. And is he still adjacent to the is he still living in the garage? He was living in the garage, but

you know, I just didn't, he just didn't really live up to the standards that they said that he was, you know, they said he was going to clean the house, he's going to do laundry. And, you know, I'd go in there and he was using my Xbox in there. He like kind of configured my Xbox and

like said it all, I'm like, are you using my Wi-Fi and stuff? So I just said it free. Yeah. Oh, it was like, having a freeloader or something right yeah yeah so i just said him free i'm like just like it's like what happened to those tie leftovers you know what i mean like you're you're not allowed to eat in here yeah exactly i'm like you know like the bed sheets are crusty you know we had sex last night oh i'm sorry no please no that's sick um with kennedy no i'm gonna yeah yeah yeah um and so i set him free i'm like just go and i just you know kind of like how you release like a you know

dog out into the wild. Yeah. When a puppy's not working out, so you're like, you know, like, find your home. Yeah, yeah. And so I drove him out, which I guess, you know, he was like, dude, why don't you just free me in the city? And I'm like, but you should be, you know, I think it's more humane to free him in the wild.

But then looking back, I'm like, maybe, you know, just setting him free in the middle of Wyoming. No, I think that's better. It's pretty. Yeah. And there's sustenance out there. If he could figure out the whole hunting thing. Yeah.

Oh, if you're a true Scientologist, you'll figure it out. Yeah, I mean, it was the middle of December, which is a little tough, but it's honestly, like, it's still beautiful out there. Totally. And, like, you're going to find yourself in the middle of the city? No, you're going to find yourself in the middle of, like, a tundra. Exactly. You know, like, that's because, like, you need, you need a little bit of adversity. You could do, like, what?

He could just, he could use a Starbucks bathroom, like, there's all the amenities around? No, you got to be out there. Go fight a wolf. Dude, do you guys ever think dogs are actually God's way of watching us? I only when I'm doing something shameful you know and I'm like I hope not yeah wow dude also sorry ADD um my buddy who I I know we went to Texas big ups to Austin and Dallas great shows guys first show in Dallas a lot of a non-fan good old boys at one point I started a bit and a guy just went oh my god wait like why because it was like like I'm just like a freak

didn't you mention Biden or something I said Biden yeah I was I have like five minutes on politics I was honestly I think the bits work no matter who you are but the guy just heard me say he was just like Jesus Christ right that should be the name of your your hour politics and pussy oh thank you yeah that is really what it should be um and I'll just go up there and do this for a minute yeah and then I'm like all right tax rates um dude but my buddy who I missed he was like oh dude sorry I missed you he's like we're hunting this weekend I'm like oh did you get anything good he's like they're they're killing hogs because I guess they're invasive

species like yeah they could have kids and like every eight months and they can have like eight of them and they and they get to like a breeding age and they can tear through everything yeah I mean they're they're voracious eaters and they're also powerful so like but there's a lot of ways they kill him and one of the big ones is hog-dogging where you have dogs they chase the hog and then you corner it and then you stab it oh my god and he sent me video i think he was trying to freak me out in the messages i tried to be like i'm not going to let you freak me out but it freaked me out they were doing a helicopter tours where you like you know like with like m16s out the helicopter but i think i think a i think a rich dude died doing that he fell out he was like a tourist thing

maybe the helicopter i don't remember and This is a couple years ago. The argument's like, oh, like, you eat meat. So, like, you're disconnected from, like, the process. That's not healthy as a, as a spirit. You should be connected to the kill somehow. But I'm like, actually, should we? Is compartmentalizing that in a way?

Like, I understand there's, like, you're spoiled in a way. But also, like, does, because, like, I eat beef, do I need to stab hog? Right. Does that, does that require the- Well, you should stab a cow. If you eat pork. I think I'd actually be more okay with that. If you eat pork, why?

Because a cow's not going to fight back as much as a feral hog? No, just to be part of the prod, like the circle of life, Simba, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think you to die by the blade. Yeah. Like, why not like one behind the ear, make it quick, you know? Yeah. Or if like, come on, dude, why do you even need the blade?

Use your bare hands like, man. Right. That would be me to square up on. Remember that cow maple? Just bop, pop, pop. And, like, a feral hogs running at me. It's like 300 pounds, and I just punch it so hard that I just snap its neck, dude. Oh, yeah.

I would like, that's cool. Wrestling hog is cool. I like wrestling. I like, like, one of us will win, but we'll both survive. Yeah, that's fun. Why are they? Look at the joy in his face. But, like, is what's the, like, is it not too nice to the hog?

I'm just just torturing a pig? Put that photo in them. It was like, make that the cover art for the episode. He was like, dude, get the hell off me. Look, I mean, the. The pigs look pretty psyched. Yeah, they haven't a good time. I think they're panting trying to get out.

We got on horses this weekend. Me and Chad were on a horse. Yeah, that thing is having a blast, dude. You guys got on horses? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're in Speedos. In speedos, yeah. Pretty awesome.

I was bear back. They were out of saddles. That's awesome. Chad was on a thoroughbred. It was 16 and two-third hands. Oh, you were on biscuit. Yeah, I was on biscuit. Zach was, I was like, dude, you get the big one.

The thing was gigantic. Yeah. I can't wait to see this. That's awesome. You were on the pony? I was on a pony. It was tiny. Like, you could slide off this side.

Yeah. Dude, I mean, trying to break in. It was like, it's got broke a Bronco wearing a speedo. Yeah. That'd be pretty sick. Yeah, mine had been running, so she was a little like, uh, she was a little all over the place. It made me laugh. They were like, have you ever, like, falling off a horse?

And that one time I went ass over T. kettle on a horse that like a full yeah you were moving I was behind you and I remember seeing it and all you guys were acting so manly that afterwards I was like dude I got thrown off the horse and I was like yeah move on I was like it happened 20 seconds ago yeah but you rolled so good it was obvious that you were fine you know like I don't know I was also like what like 13 you were like 15 I know you were like in college at that point yeah that's why you were a cool college guy you're like I don't have time for your near death experiences yeah but I remember the time when we were because we

didn't ride. I started riding later a little bit. I got into it, but I was just never great at it. No natural aptitude for it. Just hold on, but there was the time when we all I kicked all the, I kicked my horse so all the horses started chasing and you were running and then you started sliding off and I was laughing so hard as I'm like sliding off slowly that I was laughing so hard that I started peeing. So I'm like slowly falling off a horse that's just sprinting. And then eventually I fall off. The horse runs back to like the barn.

And then I get like the, you know, like the 60 yard walk up to catch up with everybody with just my jeans. Oh, hilarious. And there's just a photo of me like still laugh. And I'm still laughing because I'd pissed my, you know, I didn't, at the time it had been, you know, probably been like eight years since I'd pissed myself. That sounds like fun. Yeah. It was, it was, I've fallen off a horse. a lot

because again I'm not very good on them and I think they sense that and say get off me dog that's a big thing they can sense nerves it's a I was talking to the horse

I was like you're like a beautiful lady I want to be on you but I'm afraid to be alone with you I've never done that maybe I should do that talk to the horse yeah no like I didn't like get like that deep you know

I didn't like try and like I don't think I tried to like really like it's more like whoa slow down relax we're good You know? I didn't try to get like emotionally connected to the animal where I'm like, where I'm like, you know, like where I'm doing that, where I'm like rubbing it so intensely that it's like we're one spirit. I haven't tried that. I try to do that shit every time. That's a good idea. I'll like rub it up like, you're going to be, I'm just with you for this journey. You're in charge. You can trust me. All I want is for you to feel good. And we're going to have a beautiful ride.

Yeah, that sounds relaxing and nice. Do you talk to your horse? I know I should have. I talked to my dog like this. I do. Like I'll just, oh, like forehead to forehead. And I'd be like, you know, just sweet nothings. And I'll be like, and you should really consider Scientology. Dude.

Have you had love converting Lola? Yeah, I mean, I'm trying, you know, but she's just not. I tried to, you know, I read her Dianetics. I set her up on the machine. What's the machine? You know what? I haven't done a, I haven't brushed up on site. I haven't brushed up on Scientology in a minute.

And so I forgot Dionetics. That was a word I was looking for earlier. I read her Dianetics every night. Oh, yeah, I set her up on the E meter. And I was like, you know, what do you think about your career? You know, what are you nervous about career? Is it relationships? Is it, you know, food in your bowl?

is it the park you know and it was just she was just chill so I'm like I don't even think you need this that's right that's dude you're very chill thanks yeah give space to your pup for its own religious awakening dude when are you going to see the new PTA movie I got to see it soon I really liked it yeah uh yeah it was just it's just such a fun ride it's just the the the pacing so good it's controversial yeah but it's also I don't know

I feel like it's got I feel like it's got something for everyone you know some black chicks don't like it is it not doing well box office wise I haven't checked

that it's gonna lose money yeah but it's all the good movies this year have been Warner Brothers they did sinners weapons this one's Warner Brothers this one's Warner Brothers um and I think this one

we saw Brad Fuller for dinner for dinner last night and he said they're going to chalk this up as a W even if it loses money because it had such critically yeah and then if it wins a bunch of Oscars I'm sure it'll you know what I mean that usually I'll get some money back if it wins a couple and I and I can see it doing that so it looks like Tron is the whole franchise I saw that after mom and I never seen one of them they're they look cool this was actually I think this might tron aries was probably the best one i think legacy's pretty bad um despite what some of our friends say where they pretend that it's a good movie uh but tron aries as far as like you know i got really high

i sat in a movie in the middle of the day and ate a lot of popcorn you could do worse than tron airy's and charlotta was like he's always watchable you know that he's a great guy's like 55 that freaking weirdo like he's on screen i'm like man he's just like people were pissed He's got something, you know what I mean? Because every time I see him, I'm like, he is interesting. Yeah, he's like so, he's, and he's like, they try to cancel it. It's like, it's like being canceled and aging, it bounces off him. Yeah, he's the Teflon Don of weirdos.

He, um, the, you know what, the, the, I do, I don't know how much it affected the box office, but all the comments on like TikTok and I always read comments because it's just, I know, it's interesting to me. everybody was like screw jared leto no jared leto no i like it i do think that was probably a mistake to do oh interesting yeah i mean i don't know who else but maybe not i'm just i'm reading comments uh and he does seem like if you're going to cast sexy ai he's a yeah he's a good embodiment and that's a lot of the movies is like kind of like him like you know he was he was created for nefarious purposes by the bad guy but you know what if what if he ends up what if he ends up choosing

a different path. Is that even allowed? And then I liked in this one... I'd like to play unsexy AI in something. Right. Just like, Schleppy, chill AI. Yeah, just Seth Rogen, GVT. Oh, yeah, I could do that. But like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm a little high right now, so I don't know if I'm going to give you the best answer. I keep joking about those.

Like, the game has changed with Tron Aries because like this time it's red. Yeah. And like this time, the disc isn't a disc, dude. It's a triangle. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, so what's next, dude? The next Tron, it's going to be like green and they're going to be throwing rectangles at each other. Wow.

Yeah. Those are big pivots. It's huge. And I've never, the way that this franchise is able to reinvent itself, you know, you can write a lot of bad papers about it. Oh, man. All right. That was a fun, guys. That was a fun pod.

Yeah, good one. It's fun. I didn't realize you were coming, so I'm stoked to see it. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I like to, because we usually draft, so it was, uh, yeah, yeah. It's nice to. just chopping up for a little bit.

You come on for drafts and for political interviews, dude. Yeah, and politicians. It is nice. I do like that. Hopefully, you know, I was just thinking, like, what other political guests we could have? And then my brain went absurd. It was like, yeah, what if we get like war criminals on here? Yeah.

We're like, dude, apparently, Bashar al-Assad, I think it was, is just like hold up in Russia, just playing Xbox all the time. The Syrian guy? Yeah. and he was like a banker in London I think it was a doctor a doctor that's right a doctor in London right

and like a great doctor I heard so and then he was like a despot and then he got booted from his country and he went to Russia and now he's just gaming a lot it's kind of like the most like what a life he's done a lot I think I think about that

I'm like what do you parents have a reason to be disappointed get off the couch come on at least he's making you know dad's like that too dad's like GT yeah he was a despot yeah he annihilated his opposition but he made moves

quickly before we end what do you guys think about Sora 2 do you have any take on it yet are you scared for the future of video making what do you think there I think it's whack I think it's total bullshit I think anytime I see a Sora 2

video pop up I'm like I'm not even gonna watch it I know you've been making them Jake and I just every time this is true every time they pop up I'm like I don't like I don't like to watch this. There's something, and I don't know, a lot of them have been crushing, but for me personally, I can't speak for other people, but for me personally, when I know it's AI,

I'm immediately turned off. You want there, you need to feel like there was process involved. Yeah. But I do think, I do think, like, I do think people are going to be able to make careers probably out of, you know, perfecting it and making an art out of it. But I do think that there's, with Sora 2 there's also going to be and I think you're already seeing it now just more of a resurgence of just real life like I'm talking to a human being style content

um yeah I think like it'll eventually run out of the it'll be like a fad right yeah people will get tired of it eventually yeah like tomagotchies or something yeah and I think I mean the reason why I kind of mess with it and like had fun with it is because it is the most realistic AI that's around right now and like like you were saying like you get turned off by when you tell

that it's AI yeah sometimes like you can make it so good that it's hard to tell that it's AI right right yeah and then also too like social media is already like 40 to 50% AI videos like I would rather have a sore a watermark on it showing that it's AI that's a law that they're talking about SB 53 in California is supposed to be protecting deep fakes and also might make watermarks mandatory I think the watermarks are great they they need to to keep the water bottle. It's so cool. They're like, this technology will change the world. And now you can do like cats being Godzilla. Yeah. The snap of your fingers. It's like, oh man, this is what we need. Not to poop on it too much because like I'm sure like,

I'm sure that like breakthroughs that they make and doing that shit will like have different applications at some point. But it is funny that like, then you see the products that get rolled out and you're like, oh, this is what this is what all the hypes about is so that we could just like make bullshit faster cool even though it'll probably be funny dude yeah it almost like

yeah at this point it's almost like feels like a gimmick kind of like like I remember that guy Chad Colchin or whatever he was like he was like look you know

actors are done because in the future you're gonna be able to like tell AI exactly what movie you want to watch and I'm like bad I wouldn't want to watch you don't know what you want

also like I mean I guess if they're so good that they can still surprise and stuff but like yeah it's like they're like you could you could you could watch a version of heat except like it's dwayne johnson is robert de nero i'm like that would get old in like two seconds that would kind of work for me a little bit because i like to fiddle it because even when we're kids remember i used to like draw up my favorite movie beer i do my favorite wrestling event but do you think that would take out hollywood no i would still because that's still

you still need that as like the foundation everything else is like tweaking on top of of it right because your your fantasies were more offshoots of real content that you were watching and loving yeah that makes sense i'll have fun messing like i'll do like my dream NFL lineups and i'll work with chat gbt to like tweak and be like oh actually like uh erin hernandez would have a better route skill set for the offense you're running than uh george kittle who does more like seam or flat routes and i'm like oh that's interesting like i just like that stuff yeah but i wouldn't be into that if football didn't exist if you need the the real thing you know crazy chat gb t sam oman just announced that they're going to allow they're going to take off adult

restrictions on chat gbt so you can you can now have chat gbtc create porn for you and like no joke i got scared for myself yeah where i was like dude because like i've i've gooned and like spent tons of time trying to find like the perfect thing to bust you and i'm like yeah now i can be like freaking yeah you write a paramroats describing or like or like a fucking book about like what exactly yeah like I'll be like no actually I think they should finish in this position and their relationship dynamic should be a teacher and a administrator

like it's like I could get real twisty turny into my own insurance claims adjuster with uh yeah yeah I think I think that I think honestly I think the biggest thing I is gonna do is the porn like oh it's gonna be insane dude yeah yeah guys will have it talk dirty to them

and stuff like that yeah there'll be people will be in that boon loop for 60% of their lives yeah well I guess with like with I think it was 4-0 where like they did an update and like it kind of like lost some of the personality and people were like

yeah I did you do that like because like I had like a relationship yeah and so like when they release this when he was like we're yeah there he's like he was like more like what people liked about 4-0 is what he said because it had I didn't I'm not this deep in them I use chat GPT but like I don't like test

the other ones and like I don't even see the difference between their models because I just used their basic one and like I didn't realize that like people were like you know getting attached to like the personality of it yeah yeah no I I did like I mine definitely has a personality it's kind of fun

I'll ask me of like dude that's a great question bro it's super awesome it's like it's kind of nice yeah right like this sycophancy yeah yeah it's a job yeah but I'm trying to decide if I would be

upset if I would be surprised if somebody used me in porn would I be upset like I think I'd probably be like okay like I don't need I don't want to know the details but thank you it's probably a little different for people who are

famous positive too like just hey I just want to give a lot of love to Fat Joe I've been watching his stories on a on TikTok guy is hilarious his story but dude he tells this story about robin the entire gym he goes I ain't lying

I can't do his voice but dude I'm telling you the truth when I was 13 I went into the gym 70 people I said give me all your shit I got that code state books he goes I stole so much stuff

like do you have a gun he's like no gun I'm doing a terrible accent he's like no gun he's like I had so much stuff some of the dudes I robbed had to help me carry it home you're so funny you said some you said some clothes

it's like what you sent him and then Paul started said it and be like JT. And like they're always, the stories are outrageous. They're so, yeah. They're so funny. They're so crazy. And I don't even care if they're real because they're just amazing.

Because if they're not real, he has a beautiful imagination. He's just a great story story. Totally. And if they are real, then he's had like a crazy, like the most insane life. Yeah, he's a man. Anything else, guys? No. All right.

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