Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 411 - Classic SOLO

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

Today is another classic ep with just the bros! Chad starts us off hot with a new revelation about Disney being haunted. How does the happiest place on earth get so much hidden plasma and goo? We then dive into Baseball and take a call from brookeknowballs. Brooke & Joel break down the most overrated stats in baseball and why the FEEL of the game is more important plus what to expect in the upcoming World Series! Chad talks about ripping aspen this winter but things take a left turn when he admits to 2 planks. JT talks about his experience at Huntington Gardens and why he is now invested in Bonsai trees. We finish the ep by calling our NFL insider, Chudwin. We check up on his 5 hot takes from the start of the season and get 5 new STEAMING HOT takes after week 7.    We are live streaming a Fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://appreeshapparel.com/ Come see us on Tour! Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Thanks to our Sponsors: HOUSE OF ATLAS: Razors & Shave cream NOW AVAILABLE IN TARGET NATIONWIDE  Get clean shaven and feel fresh today! PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

I'm going to I have mono or something Oh, I think I've got lime Dude, dude You got it too Did you see that? Everyone's getting lime I think he was saying it was from mold exposure.

Oh, really? But a lot of people in the comments were like, no. You got it from fucking. Yeah, are there a lot of ticks in Texas? I think you can get it from mold, too. Really? Interesting. We just found some black mold at our place.

Did you really? We got it out of there. Yeah, Kennedy was like asking me, she's like, do you guys have, Do you think we have mold? And I was like, fuck, I don't know. How did you guys find it? We were fixing, like, the glass door on the shower. We were fixing it.

And when the guy pulled it out, he was like, oh, there's black mold under here. Shit. But I guess that is kind of normal. Yeah. Because of the way the water falls in. That makes sense. And it wasn't enough to create a health situation. Yeah.

But I was nervous because I'd take it. big ass luxurious baths right you're sitting right next to it yeah so I was like yeah basically kissing it did not enough people are talking about mold it's a thing it's everywhere and it's tough to find tough to uh tough to eradicate and you got to get you know everything requires an expert nowadays now you got to get an expert to come and check out your mold it's like how do it's like when did mold become a thing you know i just looked it up mold cannot give you lime disease so what what can give you is it just ticks how does so many people get hit by ticks

does mold affect your boner yeah i guess the he says he has epstein bar too what he's suffering from toxic mold exposure Lyme disease and Epstein Bar we'll feel better brother I think you're just overworked what's Epstein Bar it's like a precursor to a mono it's like a non-contagious version of mono I think and it's named Epstein Bar yeah so who's on that list

even medicine's getting political oh it's from the herpes family damn 90% of people worldwide have been affected 90% yeah it stays in your body for life yeah I was looking at Mono yesterday because I've been I've been I've been uh I've been uh for the past week I mean I you know it's it's for the past week I've been having like burnout just why I'm wearing shades right now I'm like I don't people I want people to see my eyes um and uh but I think it's a attributable to I got four hours sleep Saturday and then Lola got in the crawl space

and got a rat and I was all nervous about, you know, this disease that she could possibly catch. So it was super high stress. And then we had two shoot days and, but mostly it was like low quality sleep and super high stress. And then the, then like the four hours sleep, and my body's just it just hasn't recovered it's crazy my body like I'll look at my watch and my body's like dude and I'll feel it I'll be like I've been taking like I've been taking hour long naps each day which I I can't actually I can't nap more than 20 minutes has it been fun I wish dude I wish you know I've been I've been cranking out Disney Disneyland YouTube's checking out, you know, the hauntings at Disneyland, Disneyland Hotel is super haunted, Tomorrowland, surprisingly super haunted, Frontierland, super haunted.

And is, sorry. Yeah. Do they use, like, a, like a gauge? They use, like, an EVP monitor. So they check for ectoplasm. And apparently they just found white goo all over, like, Space Mountain and then, like, Walt's apartment. that like Walt has an apartment on main street and there was just white goo all over his apartment and they're like that's from a ghost um they found white goo all over the haunted mansion too

like in the dune buggies like on the bars and stuff and like on the floor of the dune buggy there's just like there's like there's like goo on everyone can they measure if it's good goo or bad goo yeah for sure so you know my um my initial thought was was like well is this just jiz and then they're like well we can't differentiate but if there's goo we assume it's a ghost wait who are you talking to uh this guy ted on youtube i i dammed him oh okay yeah super nice guy so it could be jiz yeah it could just be that ds covered in jizz but the ghost hunters say

that's not the case no one would ever bust in Disneyland no one would ever bust in Walt's apartment what do you think at first when we were just talking about the ectoplasm I leapt pretty quickly

to conspiracy and thought that people who work for Disney are pouring out ectoplasm to add more lore to the park then when we brought in jizz i felt bad for the kids right because they're sitting in jiz brutal yeah i mean you know to look at it in a positive way it is why do you go to Disneyland so much it is the happiest place on earth or do you think that i'm contributing to the jizz or you like sitting in jizz maybe i do that's cool i'm in an experimental

time right now i've been playing with my ass um something's going on that that's really interesting to me because you have always been a big butthole guy uh-huh female yeah i was i was gonna yeah thank you generally other butholes yeah female buttholes mainly always and i think it's kind of makes sense for that loop to come back to you yeah so it's like i'm so i'm so enamored by other buttholes eventually i got to explore my yeah i've got one and yeah you're right and you know i think i've been so consumed all over consumed by behole that i'm like well what's going on down down low and yeah i am circling back to you being tired

i do think this is a almost an epidemic that dudes who are hyperproductive online like i'd call you guys massive posters yeah are getting sick yeah like you williamson um the bebes uh jordan peterson but just dudes who are just ripping clips. Are you grouping me in the same group as the Bebes and Peterson? They're Canadian. And so you guys are top of your professions, hyper on it,

but you're all getting sick. And it makes me wonder if sort of like a marathon, if you guys are taxing your CNS too much with your posting. So I'm wondering if we can switch modalities and come up with like a hypertrophic system so that your guys' brains are actually getting swall like just totally like new grooves that are like new striations on your buys

and so is the key now not to post all the time and like but actually just to hit it in burst like one minute of like you do one minute of posting then you take one minute break then you do like one minute of reading an article then you take a break

then you do one minute of like maybe as a sweetener at the end like one minute of porn and then you take a break and then you just do 12 sets of that and that's it then the rest of the day's recovery

so like 12 minutes 12 minutes sort of like almost like a crossfit workout Right. But I was leaning more hypertrophy than metabolic. Right. So hypertrophic social media. Workout.

Call it a workout. Workout. Because your brain is a muscle, right? Dude, that could work. And so I almost feel like we should treat it the same that we do like your buys or tries. Yeah. And then maybe you give it a week of break. Yeah.

Can't do that. No. And you're like a hyper responder. So I think your body can handle a bigger one. workload yeah um i mean it's definitely worth a shot i'm running by my fiancee be like look you know just give me 12 minutes i'm gonna post i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna read i'm gonna j go um yeah just give me 12 minutes in the kitchen 12 minutes of work plus 12 minutes of rest oh not rest the rest of the day well no you're in between sets in between sets so rest in between sets so rest in

sets and then just do that all day yeah and I don't even know if it is that I'm just trying to come up with like okay so people do hit workouts people do hypertrophy people do uh low intensity steady state cardio what are we doing for the brain like that right I mean I know he rumors out there and he's talking but there's got to be a way to to optimize the load for your brain and I almost think like you run marathons maybe you're doing a marathon on your dome too yeah and i need to i need to supplement it i need to recover you know i need to dunk my head in ice yeah yeah you know and i'm pretty close to busting my knee you know my cartilage is just shot but my cartilage in this case is neurons this is interesting thought for

food and i'm definitely going to munch on it well what's your protocol day to day it's bad i think i suffer from um similar things but without the productive so like i am i just do see when i when i slam bam my brain with tons of social media i got a lot of adrenaline but no energy yeah it's like uh it's like i'm i'm like peddle to metal rev in the engine, but I'm not even in gear. Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out what I can do to level off. We did do an episode about me gooning for our new web series.

We were going to have, I don't want to give too much away, but basically it was about me trying not to goon, and I haven't gooned since. No, you cold turkey. Cold turkey. I mean, I'll goon again, but I haven't gooned since. Yeah, I, that's great. Yeah, four days. Did he use the methods we discussed?

I do have the, yeah, I don't want to give it. Yeah, we came up some good stuff. That's cool. One is just put up a photo of a guy with a sweet face all over wherever you goon. And so when you look at him, you don't want to disappoint him. Have you tried it? Yeah, he's up in the room. What is your fiancé thing?

She's fine with it. I don't want to get too personal. It doesn't want to make her goon. No, I don't think so. he's nice looking guy he's like sorry yeah what

I don't know yeah kind of insinuate stuff dude dude yeah I don't know yeah I don't know I mean it's such like

a it's such like a it seems like such a fast world it's it's it's like how do you you know if you take your eye off the ball you know

are you just are you just are you just Tua Taga Lavova, you know, just benched, and then you're Mike McDaniels, and you just tossed out. Tilly supposopa. And you're like the persona non grata of Miami? That's not what I want. No, you got to make it happen when your opportunity comes.

That's true. But at the same time, our game isn't settled on Sunday. Right. Yeah. I know, I've been thinking of just, I've just, uh, yeah, dude, thank you. Yeah, someone in the chat says I'm dropping ball knowledge. That's Griffin from, is that really? Yeah.

Oh, dude, legend. What up, dude. Yeah, I, uh, what was I talking about? I, uh, I know, part of me just wants to, just wants to beeline it out of, uh, out of town. Just go to, you know, not Alaska, Hawaii. But everything's so expensive now. You just feel a trap. You're like, you're like, dude, I want to fucking, I want to just, I want to like get out of town, but it's too expensive.

You know, we're caught in this trap. You need a vacay. I need a vacay, but, you know, it's, you know, the economy. yeah hotel visits are down people are not vacationing I know that's a that's like the number one metric I would look to to see if the country's booming right are people staying at hotels what's Vegas like Vegas way down um but the prices are good that's the one thing but the vibes are down a little bit the prices of at Vegas have yeah I think it's cheap right now for a hotel is it really Yeah, because people aren't out there too much.

Yeah, because I used to, like, see this guy on TikTok all the time, and he would just trash, he lives in Vegas, he would just trash Vegas all the time for selling out. We are on tour, so by the time you're listening to this, we are back from Nashville. But next month, we are going to be in Pennsylvania. We got Pots Town, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, coming in hot. Then we got Santa Cruz in December. We got Bros. Before Joe's. on Halloween at the comedy store

in Los Angeles in the belly room and then I'm doing my stoked TED Talk my one-man show at Jam in the Van on my birthday November 7th get your tickets at ChanjT.com We got Brooke Nose Ball hopping on the pod. She does a great Instagram account

where she covers baseball and she does a lot of like deep dive into some statistical analysis and she's coming on with Joel LaFlam who's her co-writer and producer and yeah they just know they put out great content on baseball we're in the playoffs right now so they're going to give us the inside scoop on what's going on and and hopefully moneyball our domes dude what's up brooke what's up joel great to have you guys on love your guys's page you guys are dropping some great baseball content love to see it um welcome to the pod thank you

so much it's such a pleasure and thank you for inviting us both on and that means a lot that you guys enjoy our content. 100%. Where are you guys located? So I am in Southern California. I kind of bounce around a lot, but SoCal native. Joel, if you want to go ahead and say where you're at. Yeah, I've been in California kind of for the last about eight months or so.

I'm up in Canada, actually, right now, but I'll be back in the States probably in another two, three weeks. Are you from Canada originally? yeah wow cool is baseball as big there as it is here not at all it's just hockey is the ultimate religion up here it's very rare to have a but don't get me wrong the blue jays will excite the nation but it's it's hockey 365 days a year all right well the blue jays are in there so that's good what got both you guys into baseball i i mean i grew up in southern california so baseball was all always around. Of course, we have so many teams out here. And so it was just something that you'd do with your family.

You go to a baseball game. And so luckily I had that opportunity to go a lot when I was young. Honestly, Joel brought me more into baseball within the last couple years because Joel is like he is my baseball guru, to put it lightly, I suppose. I've just really enjoyed the storytelling element of baseball. I like how it brings people together. You don't have to know anyone at a baseball game, and then you're automatically friends.

And whenever you see someone that knows baseball, it's like having your own language. So, you know, aside from growing up around it as a kid and going to games just casually, and then once I was introduced to Joel, that's when I really started understanding the game more and developed that passion further. Yeah, I've heard that about baseball,

especially like when it was like the top, top sport in America, when it was over the radio because it was the best sport over the radio because it gave so much space to the commentators to like fill in the dead time. Like it just had the beats and poetry of regular life. And then once you started listening to Vince Goli, a lot of people revere him, you know, Dodgers.

The greatest. But he was the best storyteller there was. So listening to him, you know, tell that story during those breaks, really brought people in more. And that's exactly what Joel and I try to do with our pages. You know, I'm not trying to imitate Ben Scholey, but he is a big inspiration for the

way that we stylize our content. His greatest little off-the-cuff moment was when there was a Venezuelan hitter up to about. He's like, Tiki Hernandez from Venezuela, communist country, which only works in practice. But, yeah, I just gave him, he's such a beautiful way of just weaving in all this off-the-cuff stuff. Maybe we could get into what's going on right now. So Shohei Otani, who just blows my mind.

I'm so in awe of this guy, was his performance in the clinching game in the NLCS, by your guys' statistical estimation, the greatest performance in baseball history? Joel, I'll let you go ahead and start with that one just because I've been talking a lot. Yeah, no, I have to go yes because it's funny because you go on social media you try to see the comparables like i've seen football fans go hey it's like brady throwing for 400 yards and getting six sacks you know it's like they're trying to find the comparable that exists in another sport and that kind of tells you this achievement transcends just your your your reggie jackson three homer game your madison bumgarner dominating the postseason it's like you're kind of putting

them together, you know, in one body. So, um, I've never seen anything comparable to that. And the fact that Brooke actually was at that game. Oh, you were? Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was insane. So I had MLB reached out and they said, hey, we have some tickets to, to this game. Do you want to go? And I was like, yeah. Please. Thank you. It was such a compliment and an honor to be able to be given tickets from them and um i just remember sitting there and i i brought along someone that she wasn't as familiar with baseball but was very interested in getting into it so i'm sitting there explaining to her how her how different plays are working and then i brought out i i could you not i did this um another time in like 20 to 23 when he was hitting with the angels and i was like i'm going to record this one

because i think he might hit a homer and he does it and i was just like yes oh tony he always whatever i that he's playing and he always is performing, which I'm not gonna say that I'm the causation of it whatsoever because he's one of it. But you're bringing good juju to the park. I'm bringing the good juju for sure. But I just, the crowd was electric. They were all standing up.

We were given these kind of like towel things to wave around. Everyone's waving their towels, screaming. He did it once and then he did it again. And then he did it again. And the first time he did it was at his first step back. So it was just so exciting to see that in person, in such an important game. And then, of course, them winning.

I kind of anticipated that coming into it. And him being crowned and VP, I'd say crowned because that's kind of the glory. I feel like that he deserved after that performance. How many times during that game did they pan to Rob Lowe? Joel, you were watching it, you know, on TV. and stuff. I feel like, I was like, I was so focused on the game. I wasn't even watching the screens as much. I think he's, he's like, he's like the Dodgers fan. It's pretty cool. They let him on the field after they want it. Yeah, we love Roblo. So I always, I always follow Roblo and like

how pumped he is. And I just, I always, he's kind of, to me, he's like the prince of L.A. And so I always imagine, like, he'll go from Otani to Roblo. He's just smiling. Yeah, it's like, cool. If the Dodgers win it this year, which I think like the betting, the odds have it that they will, how does this iteration of the Dodgers rank against like some of the greatest teams of all time, like the 70s Reds or some of the better Yankee teams? Like, are they on that level? Yeah, I'd say statistically they're right there with 98 Yankees, mid-70s Reds,

murderers row that's 100 years old next year so that's another like pretty good comparison that Yankees team from 1927 um even like the 2016 Cubs I would say yeah oh that team was loaded too right like Rizzo and Chris Bryan and all those guys yeah yeah it was a stacked lineup um but yeah it's we haven't really seen like unless you want to say the San Francisco Giants from the mid 2010 oh yeah 12 14 they Like, but that's not, it's a very different way that they came about being a dynasty, right? You don't, you sit back and you're like, they had Buster, Linsacom, Madison, Bungunner, but that lineup wasn't, they weren't cracking 30 homers.

It wasn't like generational kind of, uh, Hall of Fame type players on that team, which is a good collective. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And this gives you that kind of, uh, Mookie compared it to the, the Bulls and Otani's their Jordan. And it's, you know, considering Otani is, what, 31, he's got a lot of miles left to be able to do these kind of epic moments and lead this team back to the postseason for the foreseeable future, especially because of that deferred contract. So you've got a chance to connect a baseball dynasty. Oh, sorry, Joel.

That was that. You just have a baseball game. Yeah. And speaking of, they do still have that collective power with the Hall of Fame talent, like having. Otani Betts, like you were saying, Freeman, they have depth of an efficiency to them. You're looking at top 10 all-time team by almost any metric that's out there. I mean, they run, they led baseball in run differential, team OPS, team war, most of the year. They're elite on both sides.

It's been interesting to see how, you know, how a lot of players that are their star players are just kind of now coming into the fold and it's been an interesting tactic how they got into the postseason and how they're dominating it now. I was just saying a lot of people are mad that they become this money juggernaut able to buy all their players.

But all these, like the Red Sox had the ability to sign bets. Yeah. The race had the ability to sign Snell and Glasnow. The Braves had the ability to sign Freeman. Right? They just didn't. Angels had the ability to sign Otani.

He had offered them. He goes, you meet this contract. I'll play for you for the rest of my career. They didn't want to give it to them. They didn't want to give them the money. So they're going to go. They're just, you know, it's a, it's a capitalist society, right? You can't harm players for trying to find the true value of what they bring to the table.

Yeah, 100. I mean, I'm from Orange County. So I'm an Angels fan. Me and my friends, like, we're just kicking ourselves the other day that we had Trout and O'Donni. Like the two greatest players like since 2010 and we couldn't make it to the post. season. It's just ridiculous. Who do you guys think should win the ALMVP? I think right now it's definitely a two-man race between Aaron Judge and Big Dumper, Cal Raleigh.

Judge leads most categories like slugging OPS war, but Cal is a catcher who hit 60 bombs. I'm just, I think we all like were. just shocked and in awe when that happened. I mean, it's, that's for a catcher to do that. That's very incredible. And I think he deals with the difficulty. He wrote the record by 13 homers for a catcher, right? Yeah.

Like, that was, um, and I just also remember, you know, seeing the home run derby and him being fantastic and winning that as well. But, um, I think just he handles one of the best rotations in baseball and he's involved in every play. And I think it shows us that war doesn't factor in all the tangible elements. So I personally will go with Big Dunberg for MVP. Every year, there's like the talk of recency bias and like, oh, we're getting tired of judge always winning MVP. But something that's been said all year was that like somebody

is going to have to do something truly special to knock him off of winning MVP. And being, setting the switch hitter record for homers, setting the record for, setting the record for catcher homers and doing it in Seattle where it is not easy to hit home runs. It's not. Like, that's one of the hardest stadiums to hit home runs. If he would have played in Yankee Stadium, he might have hit 65. He might have hit 68 home runs. Is it?

Yeah, because they got the short right field and, and then why is it hard to hit homers? Is it because of the Seattle air or is it because of the stadium design? The stadium design and the marine layer, like the way that that, wind comes in off the stadium there's like there's pretty much the opposite thing happens in yankee stadium and like all the great players who play there say that there's a jet stream that takes the ball out to right field but then in especially at the beginning of the year and at the end of the year in seattle you're hitting it into this cold humid marine layer that just deadens the ball and like you've seen guys i've seen a lot of guys um who do uh exit velocity

stuff on on their channels and they go and they hit in Seattle and they'll hit the ball like 106 miles an hour and it goes to the warning track and they're just sitting there going how does Cal Raleigh do it you know and you you really realize that hitting 60 home runs and half of them in Seattle is yeah is the Yankee Stadium the easiest place to hit a home run um it's the easiest place if you're a left-handed hitter to pull a ball. Okay. Because if you hit the ball to center field, the dimensions get really big to center. Okay. So it's hard to hit the ball center field, but if you're pulling down the lines, and like Judge is a right-handed hitter, so he hits the ball to left field, he's really good at hitting to all fields, though. So you get some

cheap ones. You get probably about, if you're hitting 50 homers, you're probably getting five to six cheap ones in Yankee Stadium, where Cal is getting the opposite. He's getting like five or six probably taken away because he's hitting in Seattle. Is Seattle the toughest place of all stadiums to hit a home run? I think San Francisco is the toughest. Yeah, that makes sense. Which is insane because Bond set the record there. Bond sets the record in the hardest stadium to hit home runs.

Like to go. Such a glorious time. To go pull side as a lefty. To go pull side is a lefty. to that triangle that they have out in right center you have to go 420 feet and then clear a

wall that's 20, 25 feet so you have to hit a ball 435 440 feet to get it out and that just clears the wall like that's a home run by 40 feet 50 feet in other stadiums so that's like

that's difficult that's really tough my buddy Don was in a kayak in the water he got capsized trying to catch a Bond's ball. That's amazing. I always wonder just, you know, those people that go out in the kayaks and what that experience is like for them.

Because for a long time, I mean, you're just hanging out there listening to the radio and hoping something happens. But then when something does happen, everyone's rushing in. And I feel like it's like a feeding fancy. Yeah.

I want to do it myself. It looks fun. No, it would be. It's like almost jousting, but in the water. Yeah, yeah. And then, so you guys do a lot of stats breakdowns, stat breakdowns, and baseball is so big in that world.

It's one of the things I love most about it. So it does feel like right now, like the popular stats are like exit velocity, OPS, war. And your guys' kind of learnings, what are the overrated statistical models right now? You know, it's funny that you say exit velocity because I think that it is a very flash she sat and you're right, it's extremely popular. But I would argue to say that it's a bit overrated because it tells you how hard the ball was hit, but not whether it helps the team or not. And I think a lot of our stats that we do are they, what we try to do is help people understand what's overall helpful for the team and how to get them to a winning position. So, okay, I'll

give you an example. So you have 110 mile per hour out that still counts as an out, right? But it's 110 miles per hour, but it's still an out. And it doesn't include strikeouts as a zero value in its equation. So if I hit a ball at 100 miles per hour, then in my next plate appearance, I strike out. I still have 100 mile per hour exit velocity. Right. So my stat tells us that I actually have a 50 mile per hour exit velocity instead of 100. So it's like the way that I'd like to, yeah, it, the way that I like to explain it because I think stats can get so. confusing and muddled especially if you're a new fan I mean there's so many stats and I know bringing on more stats can get confusing but it's like if I had a

test and I only answered the questions that I knew and then I skipped the rest of them so if there's a hundred questions on a test and I answer 50 of them and I get 50 out of 50 well based off of exit Vilo then you know that's essentially getting 100% but based off of the reality of the situation you got a 50% saying failed. So it doesn't make any sense. And that's kind of how I like to compare it to exit Velo in a way that makes it more palatable. That seems like a lot of you guys, sorry, go ahead, Joel. I was just going to say, you got guys like O'Neill Cruz who hit the ball an absolute ton, but they don't hit it often. You know, they're sitting there with two 10 batting averages

because they're doing everything they can to hit the ball as hard as they can. And I think that right now that is what they pay. That's what they incentivize is hard hit balls. It's all over the stat cast. That home run was hit 450 feet and it's a velo of 116 miles an hour. And it's just like, well, you're trying to hit a ball that's coming at you at 98 and it's tracking horizontally eight to 10 inches on a sinker that's coming in on your hands. and you're trying to meet that with like an 80 mile an hour swing, right? And you're seeing that the more velocity that you have on the bat

and the more velocity on the pitch, it makes the possibility of perfect contact far more difficult. Right. Right. And you see guys that can cut down their swing and shoot the ball to all fields. And their goal is just to barrel the ball. and let the it used to be an old school mentality

you'd hear on the baseball games all the time hey let the pitcher provide the power just go and meet the ball out front you don't have to swing with everything you've got just make solid contact and good things will happen but now guys are really trying to hit the ball they're trying to break that stat cast exit velocity record all the time

and you're like if you're looking at Vladdy in the postseason right now that guy is taking such controlled swings he is taking the most control like the home run he hit yesterday off of gilbert this hanging 70 mile an hour 80 mile an hour curb ball right down the middle he just flicked his wrists at it and it went 30 40 feet out like you understand that barreling the ball it's gonna go yeah you know it's it's it's gonna hit gaps and like a guy like josh naler for the mariners he comes up and he's trying to hit the ball wherever he's pitched

And you see guys nowadays, and they come up and they're like, I need the ball to be middle in and I'm not swinging in anything else. I'm keyholeing that spot. And then the pitcher goes, oh, he's looking for a ball middle in. I will throw him three sliders low and away. And he won't correct himself to try to hit that pitch. And he'll just strike out. And he'll go, oh, I never got my pitch.

And it's just like, well, it used to be taught that if it's in the strike zone and you can handle it. Yeah. So you're saying like the statistical models we have now have kind of incentivized guys to be specialists with their hitting approach. So we've lost like the Tony Gwins and guys like that who could just kind of make it work with anything. And so your guys' stats are bringing situation into it more. Like are people on base? Are you making contact? And you're hoping with that to incentivize guys to be more all around hitters. Is that kind of the mission? Yeah. That's that's a very good analysis of it. Essentially what we're trying to. to do is encourage more balls in play. We want to see them be exactly situational hitters where they realize, okay, I have someone on second. So what can I do to, even if it comes out a sacrifice to that player, but it helps move the team. What can I do to help advance our players? I love it because it's like that old baseball wisdom combined with like the Bill James Sabre metrics kind of stuff. And I think we're due for that because it's a it feels almost

cynical now when I watch baseball and I'm an old guy so I'm used to seeing you know good hitters hitting in the threes and now it's like uh yeah just it's it's it's a the I think we are ready for the paradigm to kind of shift again yeah it's a situation where you can't oh we're about to say the same thing we're on the same page right now um you can't explain um to a modern baseball fan that is so into the analytics and the statistics and the statistics that it's the feel of the game that you have to go for. They're not going to respond well to that. So what we try to do is explain to that modern fan,

speak to that analytical mindset, and say, this is how you quantify feel, and this is why it benefits the team. I actually, when I was at that game on Friday, I got to meet up with somebody that follows our account. And he was saying, he was like, I love what you guys do. but the stats like I just I wish that there weren't so many stats and I was trying to explain to him

it's what we're really trying to do is bring us back to a traditional mindset but you can't speak to the current modern day statistician and say again it's just the feel of it so we use stats to speak to them and for those that aren't into the stats because it's too confusing or or too much what we're just trying to do is get them back to that feel of the game you don't have to look at the stats just see the results I love it I think you guys are doing the Lord's work I think this would be great. You guys are great for baseball. I'm glad you guys are doing it.

The content's great. Yeah, like one of the focuses is definitely you can't just say, hey, batting average is great. It really is a great stat because it's been shelved as kind of this like old school. Oh, you know, there's better things than batting average or innings pitched or all these old stats that were really dependent on back in the day. So what you have to do is you have to take those old concepts and repackage them with modern verbiage and modern mathematical analysis to be able to say, hey, these things do work, but I'm going to use your lingo to try to explain to you on your terms. Because I can't just go, hey, I want guys to be like Tony Gwynn.

They're just like, no, that doesn't pay the bills. Like you need to hit home runs. You need powers where it's at. But then when you look at the Yankees and they go. by this philosophy every single year of like swing big and they'll put up nine runs one game and then they'll get shut out

the next right? There's no consistency to their winning you see it in basketball too with the three pointer. People think the variance is just too high. Okay so moving into some other stuff. You guys were tracking the Matt Boyer case and can you explain who he is and how he relates to

Shohei? Yeah. Absolutely. So Matt Boyer is actually a close friend of ours and it's not and most people think like well how you must have gotten introduced to him through sports betting or something like that and um no i we got introduced to him because we ended up moving my friend's couch and met one of his friends and then it's a long story but and then real quick for the audience matt boyer was the bookie that uh show hay's translator was placing bets through exactly the biggest bookie in american history like the biggest illegal

bookmaker by far and also probably right there for being the biggest gambler in american history at the same time wow so he over a 20 25 year span you're talking about a guy who placed a billion two in sports bets wow and then had that much money come through him as a bookie so being a bookie was how he paid for his gambling addiction. So he would make $4 to $5 million as a bookmaker, then he would get a comped flight into Vegas every weekend. Go to like the win or resorts world. Great hotels.

Yeah, comped everything. And he would blow. So he come in with $5 million in a suitcase, right? And he would say, let's say he loses a million bucks. well, he washes four million. Wow. So he looked at it as just cleaning. If he lost a million dollars, he was cleaning four.

But his mentality wasn't to lose a million. It was to win 10 million and wash that. So he would put himself down as a professional gambler on his tax returns. And nobody saw it. Like he completely went under the IRS's radar for 20 years doing this. Wow. Until the eBay scandal. that's pretty much he got involved with something so big that it ended up backfiring on him

and ipe was nuts ipe was into him for 320 million dollars in bets 19 000 bets over a year and did boyer think it was show hey did he think it was show hey placing the bets or what was his perspective on that he's always been under the mentality that otani he has no proof that Otani was doing it. Like, it really, because he met IPE. He met IPE.

He knew IPE. And Ipe was as big of a gambling addict as he's ever met. And he says that it's like, Matt is as big of a gambling addict as you'll ever meet. And so he can recognize one. And Ipe put him to shame. Wow. So he would be sitting there at Angels games.

And Otani would be on the mound pitching. And he would be getting 20 bets from IPE who's sitting in the clubhouse making bets. Well, Otani's pitching, right? Like the bets were coming in on his phone. So it's like he doesn't ever, he's never said that he thinks Otani was making the bets, but he does say that Otani did wire him the money that they kind of reverted that. The Dodgers reverted that story at the end when they're like, oh, he was completely. he had no idea any of this was going on right he he feels like otani eventually got to a point

where he knew about what ipe was doing and was trying to like bail his friend out of trouble with his own money so i'm kind of out of the loop on this so is is otani basically cleared like he he's not in any trouble correct and then so what's happening to the to the bookie is he how he's in jail right now He's in jail. He only got a year, though, right? Yeah. Not that that's not hard, but for the money that was getting moved,

I thought it would be a longer sentence. So Joel and I actually went to his sentencing. It happened at the end of August. And based off, he was very compliant with the government. He made sure to pay all of his restitution up front. People will typically go to court and they'll wait until whatever their sentencing is before they end up paying anything. He just made sure to pay everything up.

front. He was very, you know, he wanted, he understood what he was doing was illegal. He wanted to essentially say, I understand, this is my punishment. Let me go ahead and make sure that I, I do it correctly. So he did get a year. They're hoping that he gets out earlier on good behavior. And he just started his sentencing, I think, a week and a half ago. On the 10. And you know him because he moved your couch? So do you want the actual story? It's kind of funny. Yeah. So what happened was Joel and I are in a relationship and we were going to visit my Nana's place for the first time for him. And so he went and he sat down on her couch. This all leaves somewhere, I promise. He sat, he sits down on my Nana's couch and then the legs completely blow out. And of course, Joel's mortified.

my nana and I are just cackling because I just thought it was funny and embarrassing for him. And Joel's trying to fix it. And my nana says, she eventually admits to us like, oh, the couch has been broken for a long time. But she admitted that after I said, hey, I have a couch. I was moving out of my apartment. I was going to give my friend the couch to just put in her place because she had extra space. But I said, I have an extra couch. I'll give it to you.

We'll replace it. Okay. So admittedly, my nana was. like, oh, I've broken this couch many times, her and her partner, you know, did some things to break the couch. We'll leave it at that to keep a PG. It's her bananas, lesbian sex couch. I'm trying to keep a PG over here. And Joel's like, let's just tell them. Let's just tell them, just to be honest.

So I told my friend, hey, I need my couch back. And so she was in the look for another couch for this room. And I kind of felt bad. And so she asked, I have a truck. So she asked if she could borrow my truck and my boyfriend to go move this couch. She's a night nurse. So I said, we'll just go pick it up on our own. As we're picking up this couch that she found off a Facebook marketplace, Joel is working with the guy to move the couch downstairs with him

because it's in some sort of crazy apartment complex. And this guy says to Joel, so what are you up to? What's going on in your life and stuff? And Joel goes. Yeah, let me take over. Okay. So that morning, we're doing a podcast in Arizona for Eric Gagne, the former Dodgers Closier.

So, yeah, we're going like down to Arizona and we're trying to set up a podcast for him. And that morning, that morning, he texts me and says, hey, we need to get a bookie on our show and talk about sports gambling. That should be our first show. And I respond to him, I'm like, ha, ha, we should get Otani's bookie. just as a joke like i have no access to this man i didn't even know matt's name at the point right so like um brook said we go to pick up this couch for her friend because she didn't get the the other couch that i broke and i'm moving the couch with um this guy who owns it's his daughter's

couch and we're going down this row of like 20 steps down to uh brook's truck and he like brook said he asks me so what are you here for and i'm like oh We're here doing kind of like scandalous baseball content. We're doing a podcast about like scandals and baseball. And I'm on the heavy end of the couch and he just stops. And he's like mid-40s and I think that he's having a heart attack. I think that he's having a stroke or something. I'm like, are you okay?

Do you have to put the couch down? And he goes, my best friend is Matt Boyer. Matt Boyer is the bookie in the show Hey Otani scandal. And so like the day that I made a joke about meeting and getting. getting this guy on our podcast, magically the sky is open and the stars align and I meet his best friend. The next day, I'm talking to Matt on the phone. The day after that, I'm at Matt's house and he is telling me stories that I cannot repeat

on the air. I just can't. He told me things. He dropped names that will blow your mind when it comes to the views involved. And then a week later. Are they people in sports or people in politics or just like actors? or just going to nod just all of the above yeah he had he he he had about 750 people in his book and they were not not one of them was making bets for like 30 bucks we're talking about

everyone's making thousand dollar multi thousand dollar bets and he didn't roll over on anyone no that's the great thing about matt is he's incredibly loyal good book he's incredibly loyal yeah he would not that was part of the appeal to him i think too is because you can that sports betting, as we know, is not illegal. There are plenty of companies that you can do something like that with. However, doing it as an individual in California is illegal. And then, of course, sports betting, if you are involved in the sports world, is illegal. So it's the anonymity that he brought that people really appreciated about him.

Sure, they don't want their business in the streets. You can just keep it discreet with him. Exactly. Especially if you're, if you're on that status, right? If you're famous in any capacity, you don't want. If you're Gavin Newsom, you don't want people to know your town town bets. I'm just going to start guessing people. For sure, for sure.

But, yeah, it was just to say we ended up. If you're Barbara Streisand and you want to put 5K on the Trojans next weekend, you don't want anyone to know. Whenever I hear Barbara Stryson, my brain just goes, ooh. Matt had bet on, like, he would go to Vegas and bet $300,000 a hand on Baccarat. he would bet great game four and a half's four and a half million dollars on a on a super bowl which he won like wow as wild of a gambler as you'll you'll ever meet you can see it in his eyes

he's got that reckless intensity that like little i see a scotch of self-loathing in there that those guys are always the most fun you got to be around them as often as possible if you want to feel the thrill of life well we got we got to hop because we got more calls coming up but it was so nice hanging with you guys you guys were wonderful We'll have you back on. Thank you for doing what you do, bringing a little bit of contact back to baseball. Much needed. Oh, thank you so much for reaching out.

And you guys were a pleasure to speak to. Thank you guys. We can do it again soon. Thanks, guys. Have a great one. That was cool. Yeah, Matt Boyer, dude, guy gets after it. One thing, so is he, everyone knows he's a bookie?

Like, I know now they do, but like. Like, did he tell people before I'm a bookie? Yeah. I've always wondered that about bookies are like oh yeah everyone knows this bookie and I'm like is he kind of if you say hey are you a bookie he's like yeah yeah like or is it more of like a drug dealer status I think it's more like a drug dealer interesting I mean I think it's a little cozier of a job like I think if your friend came over and you're like hey my buddy's a bookie everybody's like that's kind of fun whereas if you're like a drug dealer it's like this guy slings

fent it's like get him out of my house I mean that's the thing is like well you know there's story of like how they've met him, the guy's like, he's like, my best friend is like the top bookie in the country, you know, you wouldn't be like, yeah, we're doing a podcast on like guys who deal below and he's like, wait a second, my best friend deals blow. It's, there's, there's cuddlier crimes, you know what I mean? There's stuff that like just works with people. Yeah. That's so interesting.

It's like, like cops. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm a bookie. You want to place a bet? Cops plays bets, too. Everybody loves a little action. Dude, so I confess something super gnarly to my fiancee this week. What'd you say? Well, she was like, hey, do you want to go shred Aspen this winter?

I was like, 100%. She's like, sweet, what board do you write, Burton? And I was like, actually, babe, it's two planks. She goes, what? I'm like, I read two twigs. She goes, what? And I'm like, I ski. What'd she say?

She was like, so you're gay? And I was like, I'm not gay, I just ski. And I went to boarding school. It was very snooty. And she's like, but you surf, why would you not snowboard? I'm like, because father wouldn't allow it. He said it was very uncouth. he's like snowboarders they just swipe snow all over the mountain they're just pushing it

everywhere he's like they're savages how did she respond to that now she doesn't trust me with guys so i think you're the first bro i know who used it regularly but i had heard it you know occasionally the word froth so what does froth mean to you froth is just like a straight sending them for stoke. Okay. I totally agree. I think that's what it should mean. I don't know if you're hip to this,

but I've been dipping my toe into finance. They use the word froth. For real? Yeah, for when asset prices rise beyond what's reasonable. So, like, the asset prices are frothing. It's a froth. It's like a bubble that's about to burst is froth. Whoa.

So, like, the housing market in 2005 was frothing. Whoa. The dot com. throw a dot com on it now your business is frothing whoa and so my cue is this who took it from who the earliest use of it i can see in finances alan greenspan said it about housing in 2005 do you think bros were saying froth before that how we say froth i mean i think it's pretty well documented that the first surfer that the first surfer dukehanna momokomoku was like after he served

white key keys like did I'm frothing off that wave and I think that's right and I think a lot of finance duches are have a habit of borrowing language from the chill dudes and then masking their BS in our chillness so that people aren't hip to what's going on right like it's almost like they're softening this like gnarly

thievery by just calling it froth using the word bro soften the blows soften like economic blows by being chill about it yeah just oh just call it froth yeah no one's going to freak out about froth yeah sounds cake adjacent and plus what came first finance or surfing surfing yeah i don't like it every time i hear one of these dudes say froth i'm like where were you dude i didn't see you in any of the places i was at yeah and now you're up on your kingdom and you're saying hey look at all the froth i'm like nah that's not where it lives and dude i mean that it's like if they if they're maybe they shorted the market and they're like oh dude yeah the housing market is frothing right now bro and then you could be like dude you let me

down the wrong path you told me it was frothing and it's like well actually in the finance world that means negative it's a bad thing it's a bad thing meant the bubble was about to burst yeah that's what's crazy right is they took a positive thing and now it's negative but people didn't know there's a switch yeah and sorry go ahead no i mean that's like i think that's how they do insider trading and that's how they got martha stewart you know but oh Oh, dude. Yeah, that's a good call by chat. It's the frats that are taking the slang.

So you get 12 cool guys in a frat, and then the one guy who goes off to do a finance thing, takes all the lingo and repurposes it. Yeah. I almost think, like, because I'm fully supportive of people in finance, I think it's a very valuable skill set. But I do wonder if we have to be a little bit exclusionary and be like, hey, bro, we wish you well on your journey. But here's like the 15 words you can't use anymore. Yeah. just because we don't want it to get, you know, mixed up with other business. Dude, totally.

And it's like, it's like if you keep using those words, no more bailouts. And nothing bailout. Dude. They just keep jacking our terms. Yeah, because like that's straight up us, like just hanging. I'm like, dude, we got to bail, you know. And now they're like, oh, what if we turn it into, you know, like help recover industries that are going to go under? It's like, nah, that's not really what it's about.

it's a it's it's it's it's the stakes are way lower i mean when i first heard technically i mean it is bad when you bail but it's it's lower yeah i mean when i first heard uh obama was like hey you know we're gonna the the banks are gonna bail out i'm like so they're barrel dodgers doesn't mean a lot to me yeah like i was like cool that's chill but then i'm like oh no the government's giving them a ton of cash because they muffed up and now we're you know we're like a you know we're like we're like daddy giving just being like oh you muffed up but here's money to make up for it you know we're not letting them learn from their mistakes yeah that's what he should have said but instead he's like oh no they just didn't want to stay in in the barrel

they bailed they bailed and there was too much froth now we have to do a bailout I'm like that all sounds normal to me until I read what's happening and then I'm like That's not what you were talking about at all. That's definitely been concerning me and something that I'm keeping an eye on. Well, props to you for staying on top of that and bringing that to the forefront of culture because no one's talking about that.

So that's been a beef of mine, but I saw that you're pretty beefed up recently about a... Dude, what's with movie stars all doing their own podcast now? Literally every movie star is like, every week I'm like they'll be like you know George Clooney hey and I have a podcast you know and it's like um they're like Ed Helms Julie Louis Dreyfus I'm like stay in your lane podcasts are for people like us who want to talk about aliens and you know be holes and you know whether we can travel through different dimensions

And now we have these movie stars. They have so much cachet that they're eating up the whole market. And I'm like, can't the little guy have something? I blame Newsom. It's probably on him to a degree. I also think it's like it's representative of larger kind of undercuts. Like you think about someone tries to start like a pool floaty company and then Amazon's like, oh you got some traction how about i just do a slightly cheaper one and i funnel all the traffic to

my version of it yeah and then you're like dude so we live in an america now where you can't even start a pool floaty business yeah which is just like antithetical to everything i was raised on yeah like if you have an idea and it's good like that it should work right same thing with podcasting yeah like let's just get two kind of cool guys to just shoot the shit and hang out and you'll be buddies with them great idea oh what if we do the version with george cluny and And, you know, Jason Bateman, it's like, well, yeah, but that's like, that's not even two normal guys anymore. No. They're acting normal, but like, look at their room service orders. It's extravagant. And, you know, I've lived well, but I'm not well healed like that. And then it just feels a bit like they just continually chop off the point of entry for normal folk. And I'm a normal guy. I might have a trust fund, but I'm a normal guy.

That's exactly the issue. here's here's here's here's the worst example two of probably the biggest names in culture two guys who definitely don't need a podcast Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen yeah oh please go we have presidents doing their own podcast now dude go to the national archives and stand there and write Yeah, do something learned and something like aspirational, not like the cheapest way to commune. I know we do it, but whatever, dude. And yeah, or, you know, or go do Mark Marin and he'll ask you a bunch of softballs. Yeah, dude, you know, it's just, you know, it's, movie stars used to have mystique.

That's another thing too. That's another thing too. This is big. these stars used to have mystique big artists used to have mystique you didn't know you know they were mysterious michael jackson prince you know uh who else sonato connor remains has some mystique still because he doesn't do this stuff yeah it's like shenade o'connor is that you said yep sened o'connor um yeah i mean they had mystique can you imagine you know rip but robert redford his prime or Sevester Stallone in their prime hot as hell doing ad reads for

Bluchu? No, I mean, dude, the ads are a big part of what's killing it. Yeah. Because people are trying to tell you how to live and then they, I think, I don't think we should be doing our own ads. Yeah. I think we should go back to when the TV show was one thing and the ads were another thing and they were separate. Yeah. I think that's a big scheme by somebody to undermine just like legitimacy across the board. They're like, hey, this guy's making some good points. Have them read an ad for a microwave yeah guys i'm interrupting his podcast to let you know that we are brought to you by a new sponsor atlas they sent us their stuff it's a shaving company and i'm so stoked on the product i love their shaving cream i love their razor high high quality razor premier technology

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like, holy crap, this shit really works. So what happened to the Rolex? I pawned it for $500. Smart, dude. Yeah, go, Jake. You got a beef? Yeah, well, actually, it's a legend. So my legend of the week is my doctor. Nice. I've been having this shoulder pain, right? like up around my traps and it was going on for a couple weeks and I didn't really, you know, I was like, whatever. It'll heal itself, but it didn't. So I went to the doctor. I walk in and he says that this injury is called a slap tear, which only professional pitchers have. And I was like, bro, I kind of wrote my pitching career off. You know, I was like, it's bullshit. I played on JV. It was ass. But when this doctor told me that, it kind of like reassured that, you know, I was

a great pitcher. I kind of fucking, you know, enough to tear my shoulder. So, that's huge. That's my legend. It's the guy who told me that I have the same injury as a professional baseball player. That's sick, dude. Congratulations, man. Dude, that's awesome. I think there's probably, I'll cut this, but there's probably like a way that it's way fun here. But, uh, no, no, no, no, it's leaving in. We're just having fun, man. We're playing ball. And dude, we're ball players. Jake, let me tell you this. I hope someday you have to get the Tommy John surgery. Oh, yeah, that would be a double hitter. That would be sick, dude.

You deserve that. Yeah, and then you get Lou Gehrig's disease. Dude, this is crazy. I went to Huntington Gardens. Have you been there? No. It's a zoo for flowers in Pasadena. It must cost a billion dollars to make because it's gigantic.

And they have like just the most beautiful foliage. And they got different sections, right? There's Australia. There's China. There's Japan. Look at how beautiful that is. That's in Pasadena. Wow.

Look at these photos. Bro, it's the perfect place to chill if you want to write. You could run there. They've got road so you can do some road work there. But bro, you know bonsai trees? Yeah. Sickest things ever, right? So cool.

What a beautiful art form too. To just like, you know, prune that and make it look like interesting. Bonsai trees are from China. They started the whole thing. It was called Penjing And then Japan took them Started cultivating them And they refined it into like a whole school of thought

But that OG stuff is China Really? Yeah And so I You think about that Like all the homies All my buddies are into bonsai They're all walking around

Being like you know It's a Japanese art form It's like It's kind of not dude And I'm all for like I'm not like a hater on appropriation Like people are like Oh Iggy is ill

is talking like a black artist. She's from Australia. I'm like, music's good. As long as the homage is bone deep and it's not super fish, I'm chill with it. Picasso went to Africa, him and Brock. They saw their stylings and they brought that back to their, you know, post-blue period kind of art. So I'm okay with like grab an inspiration, but we should be cognizant of where this stuff originated. So next time you're thinking bonsai, maybe repurpose and go Penjing because I think that's where, you know, it was

in the Tang Dynasty and that's Dank and they deserve that that Tang. Iggy Azalea is Australian? Yeah. Dude, you know, off that point too. You know, I don't want, do you think maybe they took that during World War II? I think I think it was part of the beef was definitely, that was in. the stew where it was like, hey, you guys have just been ripping our shit. And now the whole world thinks you guys, like, because you created this style, the bonsai is like the style. It's like,

that's, that's the treatment of the thing. They're like, people totally forgot that we even like kicked it off. And I'd be pissed. Yeah. I don't know if I'd like go, you know, all the way with it, but I'm kind of a pus sometimes. No, I think like maybe like, you know, when, I believe Japan heavily invaded China during World War II. Maybe they're so pissed at China. They're like, dude, you're helping the Americans, F you. And they're like, also that tree, it's ours now. I could totally see them doing that. Should we get into this?

Should we get into doing bonsai? It's a global art of patience, design, and living sculpture. That really works with me. I think you should go for it. I'm going to get into it. I was telling my lady, she should get into it because it felt perfect for her, but how about we do it together? Yeah, I'm down.

I tried it last year, but it took too long. um what i want to say no i don't want to talk about that oh dude yeah i got to address a controversy too maybe we cut this but um we had congressman rocana on last week chill talking to him um not trying to sway anyone to any side just want to put some info out there and get people to look into stuff that's the only motivation but then dude our dearest friend cream jeans came at me hot bro oh we did i saw a comment um And we've cleared the air. I love cream jeans.

Yeah. So I saw him apologize, but I didn't know what happened. And he didn't even have to do that. He's just such a nice guy. Now is this in comments or DMs? He's a better guy than me. It was on comments, but he was saying that we, we silenced the chat because we were protecting Roe.

Oh. Like, because we, we didn't want him to get like grilled on stuff. And we would not do that first off. And the reason we did. did it as we were doing Zoom for the first time and Jake was worried he would eat up bandwidth. So like, he was like, let's just do that and not have the chat. And so I, I messaged the screenshot of me and Jake's conversation to Cream Jeans. And I was like, bro, like, you know, it's all above board, man.

And then me and Cream were good. And then I was ruminating on him. Like, why do I get so worked up? I'm always like reacting to comments. I'm like, I'm like a little bitch. But also I got to, you know, whatever, get the first. fuck off me dog you know that kind of shit and then and then i realized cream jeans is actually right dude there is a massive conspiracy going on to protect row and to protect other people and do you

know where that conspiracy originates from where dude i did some research it's from within my own dome there's a part of my brain that i'm not aware of that is working on behalf of larger darker powers and I don't even know it's doing it. So I can't even stop it, but there is an organized conspiracy to suppress information and to protect the existing power structure and it's in my own dome. And like I kind of know it's there, but I don't know it's guiding me. Yeah. And so I'm doing work at the behest of these people without their explicit direction, but it's already in there. And so I don't know how to take it out um be without killing myself but there is an active um disinformation campaign and a protection of information campaign from somewhere within here and do you think

it's it's you can't it's is it blocked by your frontal lobe it's i don't know maybe yeah yeah it could be. I don't know how to, because I can't even see it, but it's working against me. So how do you combat that? I don't know yet. I just think first is a transparency and getting it out there. Yeah. But there is a, there is something going on. Yeah. And yeah, some people are saying this might be unhealthy that to be conspiratorial to where you're conspiratorial against yourself is not going to provide benefit, but in my pursuit of the truth, I will find and eliminate all bad actors,

even if that bad actor is somewhere within here. I don't know where it's hidden. It could be in the hippocampus. So I'm probably going to get a scan and see if there's like a little lion bitch hiding in there. in between the grooves that send messages to my hands and my feet um but yeah he's in there somewhere wow a little bitch that's working for uh for the gov wow i love you cream jeans you brought the truth out i think if i do DMT too and who who are the bad actors like

Chris Klein. You think he's working with the government? Is he the one who went, did him, did he join Dean Kane? Yeah. Is he with ICE now too? Damn. Yeah, can you imagine if you're, if you're getting detained by ICE and you're like, Chris Klein?

What are you doing? He's like, let me see your passport. Oh, a striker. He's like, he's like, you can see. Chris Klein? With much gusto. Dude, that's crazy. That's going outside of your own dome.

I mean, you got a wild dome, dude. It's a fight, dude. It's a fight, but I will extricate the evil and I will bring good back into the house. Have you had this talk with your kids yet where you're like, look, you're blessed with a fire dome, but you got to wrangle that sucker. Yeah, I mean, when my son who is punching everyone

and everything right now, I'm like, bro, I love the fire. but you got to wrangle it because your brain is on fire. Yeah, transmute it into books. Please read, please, but I don't know. Because he goes like this, he'll hit like his sister. And I go, dude, you can't hit your sister. He goes, I hit my sister.

And I go, but that's bad. He goes, I like it. Yeah. And there's something charming about that direct kind of sociopathy, but it does terrify me a bit. Right. But I do smile. Yeah.

So maybe he's revealing the deeper truth. that you know we love it on some primal level 100% and they're small but dude they they swing them things yeah i'm i'm luck i've considered myself lucky because you know in my family you know we have our domes definitely you know my dad's dome it's it's it's functioning and it's you know it can it clear highways it can go haywire too but luckily i'm the fifth child so the sperm was so diluted by the time it got to me, that mine's just way chiller. You're just nice all the way through.

Like all these other swimmers were fighting. Yeah. They're like, get off me. And they were punching each other. Yeah. And then you just were like, yeah,

mine's just like, hey dude, I'll just like cruise on in. And you hit them with one of these. And then they looked at you and they were like, they were about to bow up and be like, beat that sperm's ass. And then they were like,

ice mellow, let him go. And you were just like, later. Yeah. And I'm just like, what up, egg and just like,

gnom, nom, mom, mom, All right, should we call a Chudwin real quick? Yeah, I'd just like to say I went and saw one battle after another. Yeah, what'd you think? I loved it, actually.

And I would like, I cut it anyways, but I would like to take back my comments that I said last week and said that. What'd you say? Well, I just read some headlines that, like, Leo wasn't like the great or like the person that should be playing like the stoner sort of character. But he played it really well. Yeah, I cut that, yeah. You bitch. Sorry, I didn't, yeah. Coming from you, the guy who wants the littlest shit cut.

No, but, so. Leave that in. It's good you call me out. I am the biggest bitch about that. I'll send Jake the most granular notes sometimes. He'll be like, can you cut the word cool after I responded to him? But, no, I just, I thought it was really good. That was a good cut.

And he, he played it really well. His daughter was fucking badass. I really want to see her in more movies. Chase Infinity. Yeah, cool, man. She was so good. And, like, at certain points, I was, like, only rooting for her because there were so much going on. And at the way it ends, I don't want to spoil anything, but it's just very cool.

I think they tried to add a little too much on at the end. Yeah. Yeah, like, we didn't need to go back to a couple of those threads. I'm with you. Yeah. Or, like, that guy walking in the street, like, without saying anything too much. No, you're not. I don't think you're getting away too much.

It's been out for a couple weeks now, too. I know, I know that's not like the longest time. horizon, but at some point we've got to be able to talk about it. Chad, you haven't seen it yet? No, I need to see it. You've been tired. You're recovering. Dude, can I say another thing too? Yeah. So I put out hot goss yesterday. It did okay. You know, Selena, Haley Bieber, kind of a classic beef. Interest is waning on it. But someone commented, you're the Kurt Loder of now. Whoa! And I think I know what my new last name is going to be, Chad Loder. Chad Loder? That's sick. Dude, I love Kurt Loder.

Kurt Lauer's the best He brought so much He was so like Debenair Like he brought a real air Cool to like all that stuff That's sick Yeah you can play on that Like you brought loads

I think Daisy Flintes Said she had a big Big crush on him Kurt Loder dude You got Chudwin's number Is that why Cream Jeans is not in the chat right now No

He's coming on We're good too It's no beef with cream. Cream's the man. Cream is the man. He just shoots from the hip and he was just trying to keep us accountable. I love him. He's funny.

He said me a couple stand-up bits. They're funny. Really? Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Dude, I should start exchanging with it. I need some hell. I could see how it would look conspiracies, like, you know, that we were trying to hide

something, but I can guarantee you that, like, from that interview, there wasn't much cut from, like, the live to the actual thing. It was just more of, like, an internet issue. I didn't want to, yeah. I didn't want to ruin the setup just so that we could have. people chat with us, you know? One Honda. Cool.

Do you like Carrie Underwood? Yeah. Yeah. I love that before he cheats on. Oh, yeah. Because she can't cheat her whiskey. Before he chees. I like most country music.

I didn't get into it until my 20s. And then I started like, it really made sense to me. Like, I was like, it's just about like loving basic shit. Yeah. And it gives you an appreciation for like your car. Like you just walk out. like that's my car yeah that's my that's my god dang we might get into it with chudwin but uh chad you are now an officially rams fan for a week or for the season what's the um yeah so big game

yesterday the jaguars played the rams rams absolutely demolished them yeah and i was and i was like dude i'm a rams fan now so yeah just proud rand proud to be part of the ramley thank you guys for welcoming me so openly um you know got called out on social media people are like you know you're a fake fan your bandwagon and i'm like dude i'm just a new type of fan like you know in this world where things are served up to we have AI and stuff it's like you expect me to also be loyal to a team i i dude and also is loyalty to a team a good thing yeah like if anything i think We have an issue in the world where people are too loyal to external factions and ideologies. Yeah.

I think you being like, hey, who's chill this week is actually the way to do it? Because you're like, as reality changes, so do I. Totally. And these other people are gripping to a reality that's not even real. Yeah. So congratulations. You love the Eagles. You're also loving something that's different.

Yeah. so like if it's all new players is it the same team no so what do you love um that's like my fiancee is a raiders fan and the raiders just got destroyed yesterday by the chiefs yeah 31 zip they got their ass is fucking whooped every year you know and and but shout out to my boy justin he works for the raiders love you justin big shout out love the raiders jb but i was like babe you know, I think it's time you joined the Ramley. I've been waiting here for the past 12 hours asking you to join my team. You know, because she, every season, I'm like, she's like, what was the score?

I'm like, you don't even want to know for the Raiders. And I'm, and I'm like, don't you want to, like, don't you want to root for a team that wins? Yeah. That's my method. And then you have more fun every week because of that. of that. Yeah, I'm like, you know. Dude, me and my boys are playing hell divers. Are you into that? No, I haven't really got into it. I've heard a lot about it. I got to be honest. I love that my boys love it so much, but it's hard for me to play a game where you don't beat someone.

So you play on the same team as your friends, but you play against the computer together. Right. And I kind of like need us to be making someone else's night worse for me to feel good. The government's blaming hell divers for part of the radicalization of that shooter of Kirk. Oh yeah, he was using some of the language, right? All the bullets were like language from hell divers. But I don't know. I've never really got it into it. I'm more of a Marvel rivals guy at the moment.

Are you playing Call of Duty still? Nah, Call of Duty's ass. They came out with a new one. and it's just a remaster, pretty much the same of, like, what it used to be. It's Verdansk? It's Verdansk again, yeah. They're like, we put two new cities in Verdansk. I'm like, well, the whole other map is the same, so.

Does anyone care about Call of Duty anymore? There's definitely still a community out there. It's just slowly kind of dying. I think they killed the game with cheaters. They weren't doing anything against hackers for, like, a year. And then when they tried to implement ricochet, which was going to, like, stop it, it didn't work. The hackers just worked around it. that's the problem is that the game is just totally like cracked where every time me and my boys we

suck but every time we were signing on we're just getting absolutely wrecked and at a certain point if you don't have any chance of winning the game like we didn't i think we won like i won like i played for like a month i won like two war zones wow i was like this is really hurting my self-esteem yeah and we're just getting wrecked they um kind of going off topic a little bit but Halloween's coming up, I just bought my, I'm going to be Joe's Dong at our show. I bought a penis costume. Really? Yeah.

And Kevin's going to be. Because I saw the text thread where you were asking about it. I thought you were just busting his chops. No, no, I ordered this morning. Kevin is going to be like the hunter. Wait, like for Joe's Dong? Yeah, so at our show, if you're in L.A., come to the show, Comedy Store Belly Room, Bro's Before Joe's

Halloween night I will be dressed up as a penis That's what's up I still have my hot dog suit If you want it Or banana If you want to be a banana

JT What's up baby I'm good I finish the workout Regained my breath I'm ready to roll All right I love to hear it man You're killer

So dude Can you tell us what you're You came on Before the football season This is Adam Chudwin He's from the Rich Eisen's show. He's a long time buddy of ours. And he is now our favorite sports prognosticator. What were your five takes at the start of this season? Can we review?

Yes, let's review. So I actually wrote them down and here we go. So the first one I said was that Caleb Williams would be the first Chicago Bears quarterback to pass for 4,000 yards. and through six games he has 1,351 yards passing, which is 225.2 yards a game average. So right now he'd be on pace if the pace continues to have 3,828.4 yards. So it's not there right now, but I expect improvement from Caleb as the season progresses. you're close I do think

I think you're going to hit that one but overall do we feel like Caleb isn't playing as well as we thought he was going to yeah I was very critical the first game he was horrendous he was missing throws not seeing open guys

but his Ben Johnson's system is hard to learn and Caleb's only in his second year he had a first year where he had a horrible coach horrible offensive coordinator So it's going to be an adjustment It was even hard for For golf to learn Ben Johnson's Sips system at first

And he was in the league way longer than Caleb So Caleb yesterday against the Saints He was all right He wasn't good He wasn't awful He was just all right But I think the Dallas game

He was great And he's made some great throws He just needs a little more time in the system I think Look I'm just going to be a cunt So you're going to tell me 15 to 26 for 172 and a pick is just all right

I mean it's not awful he did what he had to do he made some good throws it was the run game that was awesome yesterday he let the run game do the thing he didn't make too many costly turnovers the one interception didn't even lead to anything so it was fine and yeah maybe I'm a homer

JT yeah I'm a Chicago homer so what I love that about you guys you and Joe you guys still think Justin Fields is a pro bowler all right let's keep pushing we're gonna talk about that later by the way That's in my notes. All right, keep cooking.

Okay. Okay, so I said, I believe I said that Abdul Carter would be the defensive player of the year, which I'm way off on. He's barely played for the Giants. They think he's going to be a great player still, and he's looked good in certain situations, but I don't think the Giants fully trust him as a rookie yet, and so that pick has been way off.

I still think Abdul Carter is going to be an awesome player, though. Yeah, they've got other good. pass rushers too so it's kind of a it's a crowded a D-line all right what else you got okay I had the Detroit Lions winning the NFC and they have a big game tonight against the buccaneers the lines are four and two right now lost a couple couple of tough games against the Packers and the Chiefs both good teams. I still think the Lions are going to win the NFC if they're healthy. That's the key. If they're healthy, if Aiden Hutchinson stays healthy, their ground game is great with Gibbs and Montgomery

and, of course, I trust Gough. I think he's a good quarterback. So, yeah, I'm still all in on the Lions. What do you think, J.P.? I like him. I like him a lot. Where are you at, Chad? I love the Lions. Yeah, I'm considering becoming a fan. What team are you currently a fan of, by the way? right now the Rams I'm part of the Ramley because they beat the Jaguars yeah who's house baby Rams house

but yeah I'm looking at the standing so is it top two go to the playoffs well there's two teams that get a buy in the playoffs and there's wild cards okay so it looks like the bears could be on track to you know I don't want to jinx anything should I just not say it

I'll knock on The bears are on track They're on track I appreciate you Chad Also By the way Listeners if you don't know Chad

Text me after every bear's win The Bears won I do I've gotten a text from Chad A congratulations text Every single time And it makes me feel good So I appreciate that

No I mean Chud I mean Everyone on the podcast Go check out Is Instagram Chad Talk Sports I think it's my favorite Instagram right now

Because Thank you It's raw It's real You know you're a Bears fan But you know your stuff after every game and you're throwing up fire clips too

of like good plays and you're calling out players and stuff but after every Bears game we get the reaction and you see the real emotion and it's it's I after every Bears game I'm excited to watch regardless of a winner at loss I appreciate that so much and then so your other

what were your other predictions so there are two others so another one was I have the bills breaking through and eventually winning the Super Bowl and the bills started out hot 4-0. They've lost the last two games

to the Patriots, which I think have been a huge shock this season, and they lost to the Falcons. I still think the bills are going to be fine. They need to get home field advantage, though. I think that's the key. If they can get home field advantage to their last year in their old stadium before they move on, the defense has been

awful against the run. They're 31st overall in the league, which is concerning, especially in the playoffs. But the offense is clicking. They're first in rushing, and right now they are third in total yards. So I'm still good with the bills as my

Super Bowl team. What do you think? It could happen. They got Josh Allen. They got a shot. I do think they look a little rough these last few weeks, but I think they'll get it figured out. Yeah, the defense needs to step up. Yeah, they just They don't look very consistent right now.

They'll have, like, one good drive, and then they'll have a couple bad drives. They just haven't really put it together. They don't look as good as, like, the Colts or the Bucks, like teams that look really dialed when they're out there. Yeah, I agree with you on that. And then the, want me to go to my final one? Well, first, how about those Patriots?

They kind of came out of nowhere, huh? They look good. Yeah. Drake May looks incredible. Yeah, pretty cool. Drake May looks awesome. And Rabel, of course, a lot of Titans fans were upset they fired Mike

Vrable and he's fit right back in New England because he played there under Belichick. He knows the team. He knows the culture and I think that was an awesome pick for them to get Mike Vrable back in New England. And then so, Chudge, your last prediction was that Jaden Daniels was going to have regression. He did.

I think that was a beautiful... No, no, no. Oh no, that was that one we'll take. I also had one about Joe. I was going to talk about the Joe Marisi one. But hold on. I wanted to ask you. Jan and Daniels regression. Caleb Williams is where he's at. If you had to do the draft over again,

would you take Drake May over Caleb Williams? Oh my God. This is being recorded. Because the problem is that Caleb came into such a bad situation with the coaching staff he had. They didn't even teach him during film sessions. Coaches are supposed to watch film with their rookie. quarterbacks. He said that apparently

Iber Flus and Shane Walder never watched it with him. So it's so hard to say. Chicago guys love excuses. You guys would be the best guys to cheat on. He's like, dude, she doesn't drink. She's going to stop drinking Dacqueries. And

you know, she was on a trip. She's been stressed out because her aunt was sick. I got a question for Chud. This is Jake the producer. Yesterday we saw Bo Nix and Jackson Dart battle it out. Out of those two rookie quarterbacks, who do you got? No, Bo Nix's the second year.

Oh, sorry. Yeah, out of those two young quarterbacks, who do you got? I like what Darts been doing. He's got a cool swag to him. By the way, him and Scatibu are just the best together. Those two are like old school jocks from like a 90s high school movie, you know, varsity blues or something. Those guys rule.

Yeah, they got good energy. Wait, so are you going, are you going Caleb, or are you going Drake? I tried to avoid it. I'm going to say, I got to say Drake, man. I have to be real. Oh, wow. And I love you, Caleb, and I hope you don't get offended by this if you ever hear this, but I just have to be real. Dude, I- Drake May is looking amazing right now.

I got a cue for both of you guys. Yeah. Aaron Rogers got tackled by his like O lineman And then he freaked out Thoughts on that Valid dude he's 40 years old Like valid on like if you're 23

I think the guy tackled him was about that age You don't know any better so you're just having fun Yeah But as someone who's closer to 40 You can't do that man It's just he just doesn't know any better But Rogers had a valid crash out afterwards A hundred percent

100% agree with J.T. on that. You cannot touch Aaron Rogers at this point. He is fragile. Good. He is perishable. He is fragile. There's no need for that right now. So I 100% agree that the crash out was justified. Now, J.T., I'm not wishing ill upon your team. I root for the Steelers when I see them. But how hilarious would it have been if the guy tackled him and just blew out his Achilles or something? Oh, I would have laughed for sure. It would have crushed our season, but I definitely would have laughed. Roger's been playing good. It would have been amazing.

All right, Chudwin, let's speed run through it. What are your five takes for the rest of this season? Well, real quick, real quick, real quick. Sorry. The other take I had was Joe Marie. Remember, was Joe Marisi not drinking,

drinking more beers this year than ever. And I've been with Joe for most of the games, not all, but he hasn't drank as many beers as I thought he would. Interesting. And it's kind of disappointing. Yeah, I will say,

though, the game against the commanders i've never seen joe so angry in my entire life in one of the the penalties that was called he literally threw his his hat on the floor he was screaming at the top of his lugs and the entire bar was looking at him hilarious i gotta go i think he scared some women in there i say this every year i have to watch a game with you guys oh yeah we're yeah absolutely you go yeah what were you saying no no go ahead and go yeah so let's do the uh the new takes Okay, so these are hot takes, and the first hot take I have is that despite the one in five start, the Baltimore Ravens will make the playoffs.

Whoa. That is. Yeah, so listen to my reasoning. So, so far they've played the bills, the lines, the chiefs, and the Rams. So they've had a horrible, difficult schedule to start out with. Lamar Jackson's missed the last couple of games. and if you look at their schedule, Lamar is coming back, so is Rochond Smith. They play the Bears next week.

I actually think they're going to beat the Bears. And then after that, they play the dolphins, Vikings, Browns, Jets, and Bengals. That's a pretty easy schedule if you look at it. So I think Baltimore is on track for a huge rebound. Right on. All right. That's a hot one. They got to go basically 10 and 1 or 9 and 2 the rest of the way.

But you know what? I picked them early to make it far. and I'd love to see it. All right, what's your next one? Okay, number two take. The Chargers, despite their four and three record, will miss the playoffs. Whoa. They looked awful yesterday against the Colts.

The Colts destroyed them. Their line without Joel Alt is horrible. Joe Alt's been out the last few games at left tackle. That guy's just an absolute beast. And they lost Slater before the season, too. so their two all pro tackles are gone. Exactly. They say Joe Al's supposed to come back soon,

but who knows how healthy he'll be. They don't really have a run game. They have VDALs. They're running back, and he's whatever. They've lost at home against the commanders and the Colts recently. And they still have games. I'm looking at their schedule.

They still have games against the Eagles at the Chiefs and at the Broncos. So those are all tough games. And I just see a collapse from the Chargers. I don't really see this team advancing this year. I agree with you. Chargers are going to charge you. What's next? Okay. Number three, we have

and guys, I have to say this, the Homer bias might be coming in, but I really believe the Bears are going to lead the league in team rushing the rest of the year. Interesting. The reason I say that was coming off the buy, the offensive line has looked incredible the last two games. Against the commanders, the Bears had 145 total rushing yards, and then against the Saints yesterday, they had 222 total rushing yards.

The blocking is way better. We replaced our left tackle, Braxton Jones, and Swift and our rookie Kyle Mononga have played really well. and I see Ben Johnson scheming this team even better, and so I believe that the Bears will lead the league in team rushing the rest of the season. Nice. All right, next. Okay, we have

the New York Jets going 0 and 17. The York Jets will not win a game this year. And I've heard from Jets fans online, I've heard from Jets fans that call into the Rich Eisen Show. They've seen a lot of bad teams, but several jet fans have said that this is the worst team they have ever seen in their fandom

and do you think they'll trade brees hall say it again do you think they'll trade brees hall i wouldn't be shocked if they traded anybody at this point they're in a absolute disastrous situation j t i have to give you a lot of credit because when i was holding delusions of grander for Justin Fields, you were telling me the truth. You were giving me the truth serum I needed when you kept telling me he's not a good quarterback. And finally, after

all this time, when he finally left the Bears, I looked at it objectively, and I'm like, oh, he's a bad quarterback. Well, he got me on board for a second, too, when he came to the Steelers. So I am, you know, that bias, it's powerful, brother. All right, what's your...

It was fun telling you guys that, though. And Joe used to come over, and I'd be like, Joe, would you rather have had Mahomes? Because I think him and Fields were the same draft. Oh, no, no, Trubisky. When it was Trubisky, I'd go, would you rather have Mitch or Mahomes? And Joe is so loyal to Chicago, like, I want Mitch.

Like, what? Oh, God. I think he'd already won a Super Bowl at this point. And Joe was like, it's not Mitch's fault. You guys always play. You guys are sweet. You're so loyal to the players. I think you guys are, we will always blame

management and ownership before you'll blame the players, which is a very Chicago decent thing to do. All right, what's your last prediction? Okay, so speaking of Joe Marisi, here's my final hot take of the season. Before the end of this football season, I will convince Joe Marisi to stop being a vegan. Wow.

How are you going to do that? That's your wildest take yet. Yeah, so Joe's a vegan. He's not even a vegetarian. He used to be a vegetarian. He used to be able to eat cheese and eggs. He is a straight-up vegan right now. And we go to Gino's East now to watch the Bears games.

And if you guys don't know what Gino's East is, it's a great pizza place from Chicago. And they have one out here in Sherman Oaks. It's a Bears bar. And yesterday, yesterday, I ordered this beautiful tavern-style pizza. And it's thin crusts and squares, and it's sitting there. and Joe's just looking at it and this guy orders a hummus plate

and Gilles. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wow. I bet you that made him feel good. He loves existing outside of peer pressure. He's a solo warrior. He's out there. The tide goes one way. He's standing in the sand.

Oh, he was standing hard. And the thing is, the pita chips that they were going to give them the pita, He found it out of it had dairy. He asked him it at dairy. So he was having Tostito's chips with hummus? With hummus. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Oh, my God. It was bad. That's dark. I'm going to order a pizza every single time I'm with Joe. And by the end of the season, I will convince him to have a slice. He's going to break. I like it. God bless.

Chad, when those are some hot, hot tanks. Thank you for delivering, brother. Thanks, Chad. Appreciate it. guys love you guys love you all right i got it wrong yeah let's do it good shit brother i'll see you at the airport yeah thank you stokers thanks guys telling me I believe

I'm going to be I'm going to get you're starting to see