Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 452 - JT Does His First Solo Pod

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

JT is flying solo today while Chad is crushing it over in Scotland. Bro dives deep into running for Burbank City Council again and why Ichiro might be the most beloved athlete ever. JT breaks down the star player mentality and why sometimes it can bleed into everyday life. He also talks going to concerts solo, fantasy football dictatorships, and why correcting people online might be humanity’s strongest instinct. Then JT calls up his Doctor - Tom to talk Dune, Christopher Nolan vs. Denis Villeneuve and what working as an ER doctor teaches you about life. We also dive into investing regrets, career talk, marriage strategies, getting out of debt, and why maybe every bro should consider running for local office. A true solo pod meatball hope you enjoy the taste! We are live streaming a fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeepGrab some dank merch here: https://appreeshapparel.com/Come see us on Tour! JT JUST ADDED HEADLINE DATES FOR THE FALL!Get your tix - https://www.chadandjt.comTEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice)Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/Thanks to our Sponsors:Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/qc8ninke #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake RohretSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What up Stokers of Stoke Nation? This is J.T. Park coming at you live. Unfortunately, I'm flying solo today. It's a big day for me. I've never done this and I'm excited to take this journey. I do miss my dear compadre Chad Kroger. He is elsewhere. My boy is in Scotland at the Edinburgh

Comedy Arts. He's in Scotland. and he's crushing it. We've been staying in touch despite the nine hour time difference. And so, like, he's nonstop. He's running his one-man show. It's amazing.

You guys got to go check it out, chill towards enlightenment. And it's a hustle, dude. You're out there every day. You're trying to get people into the room to come see it. You've got to build momentum. You've got to get reviews.

His reviews are stellar right now. And you got to create a movement. And then this Amanda Knox lady who was falsely accused of murder, which was a bummer and had to spend time in an Italian prison unfairly. She's doing a one woman show about that experience. And I'm like, and she's getting a lot of press. And I'm a little buzz killed where I'm like, dude, you know,

I don't think she should get priority above Chad because she was falsely accused of murder. Like that sucks, but she also already got a fire documentary out of it, which I really enjoyed on Netflix. But I don't know. It's like people just come into the one woman or one man show fiefdom. with a tragic tale and that takes priority over a dude who's lived a pretty splendid life, mostly green lights.

But from that has still dug deep and created what I think is an artistic masterpiece. So if you're in Scotland, which I know at least four of you are, go check out the show. My boy's crushing it. Can't wait till he's back though and I can see him again. Yeah. And so now let me get to my part. What up? Boom, clap stokers.

how you guys living i'll tell you what i'm living i'm living every day i'm living every day i've spent the last couple days getting signatures on my nomination ballot so i can run for burbank city council once again and it's been awesome i love bothering people like when i'm out there with my nomination sheet i'm like what's up are you a burbank voter and i just see a little part of them die and they're like please don't bother me. And I'm like, I know, but I have a calling. And when you have a calling, you are deputized to bother. I have something I'm trying to do. I'm trying to build more housing in Burbank. I'm trying to improve and expand our public transportation. I want a dedicated lane for the bus, the BRT, so we can be a multimodal city. I want more bike lanes. I want third

spaces where people can come together and hang without spending money. I want a city of the future. We're a great city today. I want to make sure we're a great city tomorrow. And I get to say all that spiel, even though I have no chance of winning. It just feels good to say it. And to be totally candid, I don't even know if I want to win. Because if I do, I feel like you have to compromise yourself a little bit. I don't mean to be cynical.

I'm not a cynical person. I think there's beauty in just running and just being in the arena and trying and saying what you believe to the world. But I do think it's tough when you're, trying to get someone to vote for you, you have to start kind of agreeing with them. You have to kind of pander them. You have to kind of change who you are to fit who they want you to be. And I don't like that process.

So I just put in my candidate statement. These are my policies. If they align with you, vote for me. But I'm not going to slurp for votes, dude. I'm not going to lick it up. I'm not going to munch butt. I'm trying to do it straight ahead. Hey, bro, this is who I am.

If you dig it, vote for me. If I don't get a lot of votes, I don't know. I kind of dig that. Now, am I keeping myself safe by having low expectations? Maybe. But I think there's high expectations in what I'm trying to do. Can I keep it straight ahead? Because when people do believe in you, that shit goes to your head, bro.

People say, oh, you seem like a good guy. You're young. I love when they say I'm young. You're young. It's good you're getting into this. I'll vote for you. That gives you a pop. And you start believing that.

You start thinking, oh, yeah, I'm the dude. But you're not the dude. Maybe no one's the dude. I think that's better. I think that is better. We can't make idols out of people, bro. Unless they're the sickest dude ever, unless it's freaking Kelly Slater at Chopoo right now.

Just having monster rides in his heat. People were upset about that. Sandy sponsored the event. That's the only reason he got one of the slots. Took it from another young buck rider. But I don't know. It's Kelly Slater. Like we do make exceptions for people.

Is that a cross-purposes with my idol? talk probably but you know what i give athletes a pass bro michael jordan kelly slater i'm gonna put it right here right now though of all the athletes of our lifetime we got big jake on the sticks right now all the athletes of our lifetime i think the one with the highest approval rating the one that the most people like the one where when i watch their ticot edits everyone's on board each roos suzuki is anyone more beloved than Ichero and honestly I think the language barrier helps especially with Japanese dudes because they present so well they have such good manners they have this like kind of humble smile and then they got crazy skills so you combine all that and it's just like you just want to

freaking give him a fat hug I want to hug each real bad dude I watch him just throwing darts just slapping singles just doing things the right way I was going to say did you see the alumni home run derby. Is that what brought it up for you? No, what happened during that? Oh, dude, it just happened like two days ago. I'll pull it up. Maybe that's why I was seeing clips. Was Eichero in it? Yeah, he was in it. He hit eight dingers. It was pretty, uh, they always said he could have hit tons of bombs, but that he was, you know, he prioritized being a contact hitter, which I think now looking at like war in the way that baseball is played maybe isn't the most conducive to winning, but God, it was a better product to watch. Oh, dude, Rinaldine, good throw in from the chat here.

Rinaldino edits are my favorite. Rinaldino edits are phenomenal, especially the one that's come out recently where he's older, and it looks like he's playing a footy sow game, and the ball just rolls around his feet. God, look at Eitro just being the man. I like that he's not a huge guy, too.

He told Obama the key to throwing hard is soft muscle. He's really taking a crazy hack, right? He's probably what, what do you think he is, how old he is right now? He's probably like 45? 45, yeah. And every single one would like just make it,

like five feet over the fence, but it was so fucking awesome. You know what? He's actually, he's actually, he was 27 when he came to the league and I was like 14 when that happened. So he's 13 years older than me.

So I think he's actually 51. I'm guessing. Will you look it up? 52. Yeah. I said, yeah, like I said that. But I was close, so I still feel good. Yeah, Etraos the man.

I think he's number one most beloved. I put Marshaun Lynch. close to that. I was thinking about Itchro, like you think about the expectations he came in with. Like they paid all this money for him. We hadn't seen a lot of Japanese players in the league, especially not field players.

And then his first year, he's, I think he won the MVP and rookie of the year. And the Mariners were like incredible. Brett Boone was all juiced out. And that that team won like 112 games or something. I put him, LeBron, maybe Tiger, like guys who just came in with the most insane expectations, but also doubt, and then just superseded it. I give Jackie Robinson's number one on that list.

Just guys, it's like, it means a lot. And it's a lot of pressure. It's not just a guy playing a sport. Everyone's like, hey, you represent this whole other thing. So you got to do good. Like, I couldn't do that. I'd be like, no, fuck that shit, man. Don't put that on me. I'm like, I don't even like other people who are like me. So I'm not, I'm not fighting for them. But these guys, I don't know, just monsters. So yeah, I'm different with athletes. I give them the idle pass. This is a actually, you might. Oh, Serena's a sixth suggestion. Dude, the chat's on fire. Yeah, chat is on fire today. This kind of was, this was going to be my beef of the week, but I'll say it now, since we're kind of talking about it here. Yeah, go. So my beef of the week is the guy in high school or

college that's just a stud jock athlete right like the top of the top cream of the crop like he is carrying the team to wins right but most of these guys are kind of assholes you know they're kind of duches right but they get away with it because of their such beast this brings me to the guy that i'm talking about this guy named demarcus right in a rival football game he returned a punt to win us the game right this guy was a douche nobody fucked with him like he was a bad hang right Yeah. But since he ran that punt back, he was forever in the rafters at our school. Yeah.

I mean, production is always going to outpace personality. I think we see that in professional hoops, you know? Look, I'll step in it right now. Every book I've ever read about the Lakers, Kobe Bryant, sounds like a tough hang. But, you know, iconic moments, five championships, the Mamba persona, it's always going to be number one when we're talking about him. And, you know, he had other dicier stuff too. But it's like if you can make it happen and you can carry us all to that dub,

we'll give you a pass on a lot of your personality faults. But dude, how sick is it, though, to the counter of what you're saying? How sick is it when it's a dude like DeMarcus, who is the best athlete, is the best performer, but he's also a good dude? Right. Like the quarterback is also level-headed, you know? Yes. he also kind of sees the field with the ladies.

Like he's cool, you know. I talk about my buddy from junior high, Chad DeCasas. He was the best athlete. He was the best looking guy. He was the biggest guy. Dude, he was the fucking man. He was cool as shit. He was never mean when he didn't have to be.

He was always nice. He'd give you, I mean, he'd check you if you were being a dork. Like, you know, if I thought I was good at boxing or something, he'd be like, you might want to chill. But he was never over the top about it. And life through curveballs at that dude. just handled it like a G and I was like you know what you are the best among us like you're like if Achilles was like fun to get a burrito with and I those guys you know I think part of it too for me is a lot of

these like I wasn't wrestling right yeah a lot of these like duches would take their anger out on you in practice so it wasn't like they were just like a douche outside they would just literally sit there and manhandle you for fucking an hour and then be like the man fucking to everybody else and you're like This guy's a fucking asshole. You do. I mean, former UFC legend, I remember reading his autobiography.

And like he put in his own book, like stories of just like, just ruthlessly bullying people. And I was like, this is not cool. And like, even like people in his like family. Like, you know?

And I was like, oh man, I wish I didn't know all this stuff. You do see that. You do. That's kind of part of the drive, right? Like, that's why they're so fucking,

I don't know, that ego or whatever it is is like what drives them to be fucking great. Yeah, the maniacal drive, the narcissistic drive. I still have hope that someone can do both, that they can be the top. You know, Chad's a lot like that. Chad's a very high functioning, high productivity dude. And he is maniacal in his work ethic, but he's only hard on himself. He's so nice to everybody else. And so I think that's probably why I like hanging out with them so much is that I'm just like, dude, just a great guy. But he's also bringing it. And it's very rare. Guys, I'm interrupting this podcast so that we are brought to you by the Cash App.

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And I'll see like my friend's wives kind of like doing a lot. thing. But then when my wife is just calling dudes dongs, that makes sense to me. We are dongs. And there's nothing wrong with that. And I don't think there's anything wrong with being a chick. I think people assume if you say chick, you think chicks are like chicks. It's like, oh, yeah, she's got a butt and some boobs. And I definitely mean that. But I also think by saying that, I'm not limiting you like I'm just being like isn't that nice that you have that stuff and I think when you're like 80 you're actually going to like that I call you a chick you'll you'll want reminders that you're a chick not to presuppose where you'll land in your evolution dude also I've been

on a killer run of getting invited to concerts yeah I'm going to one on Friday at the Greek to see goose and then last week a band I adore and I'm really excited to see goose fired up to see y'all um last week mark robert's from the band o-a-r that i who i've been listening to since i was in high school like i remember i was in my buddy ross's car and he put on crazy game of poker and i was like dude this is the best song of all time like someone wrote this and he messaged me and invited me to come to the show and i was so fired up and i went and i'm i might just be old now, but I love going solo to a concert. Because I don't want to be responsible for someone else's vibe. I just want to lock in and like feel it on my own terms. And if I want to switch

seats or move around or leave for a minute or whatever I'm trying to do, I can do it. And it's, and it's not a hassle to anyone else. And so I went to the show solo and I get there and Gavin de Grau's opening. I love Gavin to Grave. I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately. Yes. That was my Cairo's song, religious retreat that I went on and led. Cairo's won at J-Sara.

And, dude, it was spectacular. He did a lot of beautiful covers, great performer. Then OAR goes up, and they gave me a nice seat. I'm so grateful to you guys. And I'm chilling, and I'm just like,

this is great. I'm having so much fun. What a special night. Life is the best. And then I see the basses, or the lead guitarist kind of point at these people. And then they sit next to me.

I'm like, oh, maybe they're friends with the guitarist. And I'm like, oh, are you guys friends with the guitarist? And she's like, no, I'm married to the lead singer. And I just started dying laughing. I was like, oh, nice. And I had moved into that row because I think somebody else was in my seat. So I wasn't supposed to be next to them. And me and her started talking.

She's super nice. All of her friends from high school are in front of her. They're chatting. She's having like a great moment, being with their friends, watching her husband just absolutely rip. Mark's incredible. and then her son's with her, he's like 18, and she leaves. And I was like, I got to ask him.

I was like, dude, what's it like watching your dad perform? And he was the sweetest, most well-adjusted kid. And he was like, yeah, at first I was embarrassed, but now I just love it so much. He's so good at what he does. I was like, are you a musician? He's like, no, I'm a hockey player. And I was like, but that's sick. Like, you know, you've seen your dad make his dream come true.

Maybe you'll do the same. He's like, yeah, I'm going to go to Ohio State next year. and he just seemed like a great kid and I was like, dude, you know, he kind of did it. Mark from O-A-R, he did it. He had a dream, he wrote great songs, they got popular, he's been touring for 30 years,

bringing that show on the road, making people feel things, helping people feel good, and he's got this beautiful family, he's got a bunch of kids, they all turned out great, and yeah, just so much respect to him for carving out that life for himself.

seems like a great dude. I'm also on board with the solo concerts. I don't know why I've seemed to have the best time. And I think part of it is like I can just unleash and just sing at the top of my lungs. Right. And like kind of like not wild, but just like really feel it. Yeah. Like you're in it.

Like it's just you and the performer. Even though there's 20,000 other people or however much, you don't even notice it because you just by yourself locked in. And yeah, I don't know. I've seen so many concerts solo and it's the best, bro. It's the best. And the other part too, like you said, you meet random people that are like fans, but you don't really know them, but you're like, yeah, this is kind of like a cool little experience, you know, like we're both here.

You meet more people. I had great conversations. Another guy was like from San Clemente and we used to go to the same beach and it got washed out from like erosion and he's still sending me photos of it. I'm like, send me all the videos you got. I love it. He actually just messed me today asking me about. Cairo's. He was awesome. He was such a cool dude. And yeah, it's, it's really just wonderful.

Not to say wonderful, but it is. It's funny too. Almost all those people I still follow on like social media that I meet. And it'll be like five years later. And I'm like, oh, Ashley's got a family and she's cool now. I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Dude, 100% me and Chad went to Grateful Dead at Dodger Stadium like eight years ago. And this cop says, what up to us. Then he messaged me. I follow him. Dude, I haven't been keeping track of this guy's life for a decade. And like we talked a little bit during like the BLM stuff. Like everything that's gone on, he had kids. I've just watched it all happen. And I've watched him shift in certain directions, all these things. But I feel connected to him in a real way. It's pretty amazing.

dude some guys are in the chat they're trying to get political with it they're saying uh they don't like ennis canter and royce white saying that they're going to go to the wmba because sophy cunningham talked about how she didn't want uh trans women in the wmba you know it's so crazy about this whole thing i don't think trans people should be able to i don't think people who are born biologically male who transition into women should compete in sports against other women. I just don't think that's fair. I wish, you know, you could have everything, but maybe you got to sacrifice some things in order to self-determine your overall happiness.

But, dude, here's the thing. It's not a lot of people. And it's become this issue that we're talking about all the time because liberals are feckless and they don't want to say it's bad because they don't want to alienate themselves from tolerance. And then people on the right fixate on it because they know that. and they know it creates a situation where liberals won't say they're against it. And so you get this like just nonstop incessant dialogue over something that I think is pretty

basic actually, where we should be tolerant to people let themselves determine how they want to live, but that can't come at the expense of other people when it's sports competition. Okay. Dude, the amount that we're fixating on it is driving me bananas. it's driving me bananas all right can we just say look it's not happening

and we're just moving on and let's focus on other aspects of life that we can make better for people from marginalized communities and people from all communities but like it it is funny to me too like it's such a small section of the population

this is very tangential but do you remember I used to do that bit about like how it's kind of unfair if you don't have legs that you're able to wrestle because like it's hard to pin you you're wrestling at 135 pounds if you had legs you'd probably be 200 pounds so your upper body strength is like completely disproportionate to the other dudes you're wrestling but imagine if we were trying to pass state law to make it illegal for dudes with no legs to wrestle like if we were fixated so much on the fairness of this like a very small portion of the population winning a sort of

off center sport like if we were spending all this time like in congressional hearings being like should people without legs be able to wrestle we'd be like dude what are we doing here like we got congresspeople fighting about this shit and they're like everyone just looks so stupid I'm like we got to have bigger issues than this. Maybe we don't. I don't know. Yeah, I just don't know where we're talking about it so much. It's cuckoo-boo-boo-d-you, dude.

But, you know, it's exciting. We like exciting stuff. Dude, speaking of sports, like, you know how I got amped when I almost got Eitra's age right? Do you correct people online when they get stuff wrong? No, I don't. I know you, like to, but I do.

Yeah. Like if people say like, oh, Martin Scorsese directed the godfather, which is a bad mistake. But I'll be like, what? What are you talking about? No, it's Francis Ford Coppola. I'll bust that in there. Yeah.

I've never really gotten into it. I don't know why. I did a video about trying to explain the national debt to a bodybuilder. And I said, I was trying to talk about the endocrine system. And I said in Dockron. And all the comments on the video. You were just like, dude, you blew it. You blew it.

That's not how you say endocrine. And it made me think about like the Kitty Genovese story. Do you know that? No. It was this psychological phenomenon that they called the bystander effect where basically this woman was being assaulted and murdered outside of an apartment building. And there was tons of visibility from the neighbors. But the story goes that no one tried to call the cops because they all assumed somebody else was going to call the cops.

And so it's this weird thing that humans do where we put the burden of responsibility to fix things on someone else. I guarantee you, if the dude murdering Kitty Genovese would have stated an incorrect fact, all those neighbors would have started yelling out their window. Like if he was stabber and he's like, oh, you're going to have no endocrine system after this. All the neighbors would have been like, it's endocrine. no one would have had the bystander effect. No one would have waited for someone else to correct them. They all would have jumped in and said, this is actually how you say that, sir.

The murder thing, not my business, but say endocrine the way it's meant to be pronounced. You dummy, you dumb murderer. I don't get too involved with it. It's because I feel like these days, a lot of people are just trolls and are like saying shit to fuck with people in general. So like I'm not going to fall to their trap

You know I'm not going to be the one that's like You got me fucking dummy Yeah you got it's probably good to stick to your guns I also think that Kitty Genovese's story was somewhat overstated apparently some neighbors did try to call the cops And the guy was caught later By bystanders who stepped in and stopped him Like I think they literally slashed his tire so he couldn't get away

And got him arrested So you know The story of humanity is more positive than sometimes represented represented. I'm done. I'm getting cooked for that for sure. The message is gone. That's all anyone's going to remember.

Damn it, dude. I just balked it. Bro, I got to talk about my fantasy football league. We have a huge collective action problem. We cannot, there's 15 guys in the league. We cannot all pull in the same direction. We have to have votes on votes on votes. We've had like, we lost two members.

They left for personal reasons. They didn't like us anymore. That stung all of us. And guys react differently to it, right? Like some guys were like, well, we need new members who will be loyal to us. I'm like, that's a weird way to think about it. But then we fought so much about everything and like, okay, are we going to have them co-manage?

Are we going to do this? Uh, are, are you going to go? Are they going to be able to make the draft? if they can't make the draft to we still let him do it. One of the guys we ended up letting in the league, great guy, he's going to be in Greece when we're drafting.

He can't even draft anymore. It's just a total boondoggle. And I'm getting to the point, if you're in a fantasy football league, it should not be a democracy. The commissioner should make all the calls. Does that behoove me? Yes, because my brother is the commissioner.

My brother is the commissioner. But we disagree on this stuff a lot. But I'd rather just have him run it and just make the call. calls, dude. Because the other thing is we're texting all the time. So guys just want to have their voices heard. So they throw stuff in and everyone just babbles and we don't get anywhere. And then guys will do jokes, which are like funny, but they undercut the momentum for whatever we were trying to get done. And then it's just a loop. And we all have kids.

I can relate to this because last year I was kind of the guy who started the rule change about field goals missed, I wanted minus one point. And there was like a three week fucking battle about this minus one point thing that really probably didn't matter at all. But at the time, a lot of kickers were missing and there were close games. So I was like, bro, this could change the tides. But I hear you. I think somebody just needs to, you know, put their foot down and say, fuck it. That one point is included or not. Yeah, you just need someone to just say, my buddy did it a couple years ago. He just was like, hey, our buddy Kyle's going to be in the league. And that's just the way it is. Kyle's great.

He's awesome. It was the right move. And we didn't go through three months of like, well, what about this? And then we're arguing about people we're friends with where we're like, hey, I actually don't want this guy in the league. And someone else is like, why would you say that about so and so? And then you're like, all right. Did something happen?

You know, actually speaking of which, let's call my buddy Tom real quick. Yeah. Oh, my lord. You waking up from a nap, dude? What's that? Are you waking up from a nap? No, dude, I'm waking up from straight up sleep, dude. Well, so, guys, I'm doing a solo pod.

This is my dear friend Tom Hall. You probably remember him from the Body Parts draft. It was one of the most auspicious debuts in podcast history, not only for this podcast, but in the entire medium. And he's an ER doctor. So my homie sleeps in. So if you're thinking who's this lazy butt just getting his day started, you couldn't be more wrong because he spent his whole night saving lives. How many lives did you save last night?

I was actually off last night. Because I had to force myself to stay up because I had to get back on my night shift schedule where I can sleep through the day and then work tonight. So this is training. It's training. It's basically like Achilles' training before he goes to Troy. Right. Do you think Achilles... But I'm just doing it by staying up late watching Dune and Rick and Morty episodes. You're a great guy. Which, what'd you doing were you watching? One or two? I was watching one, dude. I was putting in a word.

Why would you do that to yourself? Two is so much better. Two is amazing. It just, it was... To the beginning is, I can't not watch it like two when it starts I'm just up to it and last time I was trying to be a little productive doing some work and emails and stuff and so I kind of needed the slow burn kind of background vibes right it's more like a fireplace so exactly exactly I appreciate you understanding but you're right dude dint is one of those rare sequels that maybe just surpasses the first like fucking maverick or blade runner it's like so rare wow You put a lot in that statement. All right. Well, I got some questions lined up to you, but one just popped into my head just based off. Yeah, maybe. The way you're setting the scene.

You're catching me. You're catching me like raw. And my brain's just waking up with the world. Well, click in, baby, because we're on. All right. I'm ready. Are you, would you go Denis, Villanui, or you go Christopher Nolan? I got to, I think I got to go to knee right now.

I think. I think Nolan has created his own unique style. Like, I think he's ahead of Denny in that you watch his movies and you know they're his movies. And I think he has like a distinctive style, almost like Michael Mann, you know, like, or any, any sort of like well-known director that, like, Tarantino, someone that creates their own craft where people go to see their movies. almost just based on name recognition now. And the mark of auteur, you see a frame and you're like, oh, I know who directed this movie. I think so, yeah.

I think he's, like, achieved that. No one has. But I think in terms of actually, like, creating consistent watchable movies for everyone, I think Denny might be, like, is there now. Like, maybe when Deni gets as prominent or, like, as big as Nolan in five or ten years or something, if that happens, he might

go down the same path where he like starts becoming, not like niche, but like maybe he has a style that some people might actually not enjoy or like, you know, because I think some people watch Nolan movies and they're like, oh, it's just too confusing. He's like, he's jumping out with time too much.

And that's fair. That's fair. But like he's achieved that point where he's like the guy kind of now. He's like almost Spielberg or something, you know? But I think Deni watch his movies, a little bit more of a chameleon. I think he can do a little bit more movies that are all watchable

and they're consistently really good. Like arrival, prisoners, Blade Runner, Dune, you know, you watch all them and they're all kind of different, Sicario, but they're all really well done and they're all kind of hit and you don't have like, I don't know if so, I mean, I guess you could argue Blade Runner 2049, you might turn off

a few people because it's a little too far down into that sci-fi path. But I think if you really just want a bankable movie and want it to be a, appealing to a wide audience. He might pick Denise, you know, because like, but Nolan might, you might just make more money just based on the name recognition,

you know. Yeah, he's definitely got the title right now. But you're making a future bet that when it's all settled, Denise is going to be the guy. Oh, that's a, I don't know. I don't know. There's still time. That's a good question.

He's going to be the guy at the end. I'm just saying right now, I guess. But, oh, man, that's tough, dude. That's really tough. You just woke up. You didn't save lives last. I'm like, now I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

But you're going to save lives tomorrow. You're going to overtake Nolan, but I don't know, man. I'm going to save lives as best I can tonight, yes. That's awesome, dude. Hey, and I like the best he can. It's like with my kids. They're like, dad, we always protect me. I say, I'll try.

Yeah, it's all we can do, bro, you know. Do you think, I'll ask one more broad philosophical question before we push on. Do you feel like, I love it. Becoming a doctor has made you feel more powerful, like as someone who can save lives, or has it made you more resign that life goes the way it's supposed to go and you kind of just hold our hands through it?

Oh, I think the latter, bro. But again, I might be biased based on my role as an emergency doctor. So like a lot of times I'm seeing pathology or disease or people at their kind of final stages or things that are somewhat chaotic and unpredictable. And so you feel somewhat like a leaf in the wind. Whereas like maybe a neurosurgeon, well, I guess that might get bad choice too because sometimes their pathology is pretty like terminal. But there definitely might be certain fields in medicine where. they are fixing problems pretty concretely and pretty definitively. You can argue like orthopedics in some ways, certain pediatric,

even cancers that respond well to treatments. And so you could feel actually pretty powerful and effectual. But I think sometimes, yeah, my job, like people come in coding or dead, dying and it's like they stay that way. It's like maybe we'll get them back. It's pretty rare, though. It's really rare. And so, yeah, I guess based on my perspective,

it's probably the latter. Although you probably find a majority of doctors would say something about the ladder being more the predominant kind of perspective you take on it after seeing so much and seeing so many different things that can happen in life and so many things that can, quote unquote, go wrong or that are just like random and natural and that just happen. And we just try to kind of like make the best of it or try to find a way to optimize your time or minimize the effects. Do you think it's made you a hornyer person?

A more what person, sorry? Horny. Oh, a more horny person. It's a good question. It's a good question. Probably at least maybe we're all horny, you know? Like we're all on a baseline like drive, which is normal. But then you start seeing people dying and you see the temporary nature of life and you maybe

are like less guilty of accepting it. and like I guess trying to find a way to live with it versus feeling bad about it. That's how I think I would react to it. Because you're like, this is all it is, man. It's just what's, if we're physically able to, we should be living. Because it could go away in a second. And there's not much you can do to change it once it's gone. Yeah.

And it's not like you get a sort of, I wouldn't say I've become like nihilistic or huge. I think I've just become a little more stoic and you kind of see things as they are and you try to see the positive or see like the balance. In some ways you can become a little more optimistic in some ways like you try to just see the good things. Although I guess it could be a personality thing to some people might take a more pessimistic approach. Dude. So like I was my gate has been a little bit off. my right foot has been catching intermittently while I'm walking. And of course,

someone like me who's hypervigilant about whatever's going on in my body, I went into a street. I went into panic and I was like, it's ALS. And I'm on a one-way street to just not being able to do much. And, but I think I've settled on. It's most likely just some L-5 irritation from doing trap bar deadlifts.

And so... Definitely could be that. Yeah. Little local neuropos. at the from like a pinch nerve yeah exactly my dog but i'm still lifting because you know you got to have that kind of balance where you're like well i don't want to just like wait on this thing and let other things get bad so i just need to modify my training so i'm just not loading the spine and doing anything explosive keeping its own too with the cardio probably smart yeah that's smart

i mean i think around i mean i wouldn't do anything that causes you like severe pain like you want to find that balance between working your muscles but also not causing like structural pain in your spine or your joints. And then I guess if you actually have a weakness, you just want to keep an eye on that. But if it's more of just like a catch of a toe or something, not necessarily speaking to like spinal cord pathology. But if you actually have weakness,

that would be something to probably get checked. Now I'm walking on my heels and I've still got pretty good strength in it. I mean, it does need a little bit more effort to balance on that foot. But again, that might have been a discreet. up and see that was already there and I'm just now fixating on it but I'm getting I'm getting an MRI so we'll know for sure but they don't know for sure in your experience if it's a minor just kind of herniated disc or whatever kind of pressure's going on there that'll probably heal on its own right dog that can heal

through like physical therapy and time if you just have a small bulging disc causing like a mild nerve compression or something yeah definitely surgery is not like the immediate first choice. If you have a significant nerve root compression from a disc bulging where you're having like severe pain with weakness, that's like the big thing is like you're actually losing function of the nerve. That's kind of the red flag sign where it's like, oh, this might need like immediate decompression,

but you're going to have a lot of pain probably. And then you're going to have like actual, not like full on paralysis, but almost to that point where you usually can't move the leg well. Yeah, we're not even in that. ball part. Yeah, it doesn't sound like you're having severe pain or like actual true weakness. If this is even what that is, you know. And then spinal cord in the center, you know, you worry actually about, yeah, you get like

weakness in both legs, bowel bladder dysfunction or you're like, you're not able to pee or poop or you're wetting yourself because you like retain, you just like you lose function there. Intentionally. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't, yeah. I wouldn't stress too much.

No, it's just you got to keep, you got to keep. You got to keep an eye on everything these days. You do that, you do. You don't want to go on things. You got to, you like self-checking, you know, tell what dudes and their dongs and their balls, dude, and chicks with their tits. You got to be on that stuff.

You know, if you get older and that stuff can hit. How's your peck feeling? Yeah, speaking of mine. Yeah, my chair's, dude, my peck. It's good. I'm almost back, I think. Yeah, I tore completely the tendon, just completely out the bone. Skiing, dude.

Form, four months? No, not. actually I'm on five months post-op now. February, dang, I'm six months. I'm at a pretty good point where, yeah, I've started doing pretty much everything again. And I feel pretty good. Thank you, bro.

It was tough for about a month or two, but I'm doing good now. That's what's up, dog. All right. Well, let's end on this, dude. Yeah, maybe. The Spider-Verse films. The animated ones, Miles Morales as Spider-Man.

Oh, dude. I started watching the second one last night after Dune had finished. It's so good. I think I need to rewatch the first one, I think, because I started watching the second one. I was just locked in, it's so...

The first one was my favorite film of that year. I thought it was unbelievable. The second one is dense because there's so much... There's a lot. Yeah, it's like Matrix Reloaded in terms of how much, like, world building.

You got a whole whole thing. up but dude I think they might be if the third one's good it might be the best trilogy in history oh that's a tough call I mean Dune 3 is coming out

you saw Lord of the Rings bro I don't even think it's close though dude with the philosophical implications the deterministic wheel I'm big on I'm big on free will versus the deterministic wheel

I was an adjustment bureau guy Yeah And Lord of the Rings It's like very much fate Or like It's very Judeo-Christian Or like even Yes

In that sense where it's like Everyone's kind of having these fates That they're following Yeah the cart is on the rail Yeah Yeah you like it's your duty to stay on your path And to like be the hero That you have the potential to be

Or destined to be Yeah like it when your destiny is not to be a hero and then you say, you know what? I'm going to be a hero. I like that. Yeah, that is pretty sick. You're right. That scene across the Spiderverse

where he jumps off the train at the end was pretty amazing where he's like, no, I'm going to do it my way. Oh, dude, how sick was that? Was it? Everyone keeps telling me what I got to do. I'm just going to do my own thing.

Bro. You're right. And the first one, the 3D was amazing. The animation is beautiful. The animation is on off. Yeah, it's, it really is. I don't want to say, like, revolutionary, but it was, like, so fresh. It felt so, it kind of, like, revitalized that in a lot of ways.

My kids love it. It boggles their mind. It boggles my mind. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, like, the amount of craft put into each one of these frames is just absurd, dude. Yeah, and I love Miguel O'Hara as such, like, a compelling villain. It's, yeah. Incredible. It's dense, that second one, and they expanded it almost too much, or not too much, but

I didn't like I left on the clip hanger. They tried to pack so much into the second one. That was like a little frustrating. The ending did feel abrupt. Not as abrupt as Dune 1, which ends in a bar fight, but very abrupt. I will agree with you. It is a little bit like where you're like, okay, dude, my mind's kind of melting from all this. But I mean, and then the Canon event thing, I didn't realize, because I was familiar

with the Canon event as the TikTok trend before I realized it came from the movie. And then I was like, dude, they invented that? Yeah. and like the sound show of the score of that movie like the the dana like the kind of ominous like three chord strike they do when Miguel O'Harris shows up or even like the theme you know yeah like they they really did a good job with that movie like fleshing out the whole lore of the spider-man universe adding a new soundtrack new themes

dude you know what you're thoughtful entertainment of my higher has actually made me come back to center and maybe it's not the greatest trilogy in history but I still I think I think you got to contend with it but yeah it's probably yeah I think we'll see how this third one ends up yeah we need to let time kind of marinate a bit yeah I mean I'm up there I'm going with the before series I'm going with the before series that's still got the title for me oh whoa that's like a dark horse dude yeah I mean that's a very intelligent pick a lot of talking in that movie

you know me if I can sound smart I'm going to try all right Tom well we love you dude is there anything you want to say before you go just like to kind of like I don't know do you want to give the stoker

something to chew on maybe maybe an inspiring nugget oh man I guess we were talking about stoicism and And yeah, I guess a final thought that always sticks with me is Marcus Aurelius' quote that he wrote in meditations about the ability to control your thoughts, treat it

with respect because it's what separates us from the beast and connects us to the divine. We have the ability to control our dreams, dude. So use it wisely. I'm going to do it. That's like a little throwback. to the beginning talking about Nolan, dude. Dream crafting. Bro, I was going to go easy with it and say

Inception, dog, but I was just going to say Inception. I was literally just going to make Inception. Inception, dude. All right, bro. All right, dude. Love you, man. I'll talk to you soon. Love you too, brother. Yeah, good luck on the pod, dude.

Solo pod. You're a legend, dude. I'm excited to listen to it. We've gone in a lot of directions. I think it's going to be a big meatball, but I think some people will like the taste. Love you, dude. Love you, dude. Later, Jake. What a great guy.

Love that, dude. Damn, I wanted to ask him about Star Wars, too. He really knows his stuff. Jake, are you investing? Not as much as I would like. No, I got like a Roth IRA from an old retirement when I worked at the school district a long time ago. But that's pretty much it.

I should be. Like, everything just seems to be going up. 17 years, dude, market spun on an upswing. Yeah, it's like, especially like a lot of the stuff that I was interested in. Like in college, there was a kid who was like, yo, buy AMD. It's like massive. They're going to build all these chips for computers. And I was like, we don't need computer chips.

Like, my computer works just fine, you know. I didn't even think about like the evolution of computers and like what these chips could be used for. But at the time, it was like $12. Now it's like, I don't even know. I don't even want to look. It's over hundreds. Like, uh,

let's see here. 474. Like I would have been a million, I would have literally not had to work another day just from this one stock. If I even put like a thousand dollars in it, you know? Bro, pessimists sound smart. Optimists make money. You got to risk it to get the biscuit.

I just, I'll occasionally dip my tone to some Scott Galloway talk. And he's like saying for the stock market right now, was like we all know it's going to come down we all know it's it's ramping up too fast too high but is now the right time to get out are we in 97 or 99 referencing the first uh tech web boom and crash and my thing the mistake he's making is he saying 99 is the bad thing but 1999 was the sickest year ever limp biscuit dude a bunch of freaking great movies i think fight club came out in 99 So he keeps being like, oh, dude, be careful.

It's 1999. I'm like, yeah, bring me back, dog. Because 99 was it. So every time he says that, I put more money into the market. Let's get it, dude. I think everything's actually going to work out. I think we're actually going to get the productivity returns on AI that people think won't come to fruition in time. I think they will.

And I think it's actually going to be pretty sick. I'm going to be an optimist. And then if shit goes sideways, I'll have egg on my face. I'll be super bummed, potentially lose my car and other stuff. But it just seems like a better ride to not think the gnarly thing's going to happen. Be stoked. And then when the gnarly thing happens, well, it's probably going to happen anyways. And I was going to get going to take a beat in anyways.

I think like a lot of the investing are like stockbrokers, just people in general that invests a lot. do you think they use a lot of like emotion into like hey I think the world's going to be bad or I think it's going to be good at this or like or are they just like this company does this and like this is going to go big you know I think everyone kind of agrees that the hype is not totally connected to the fundamentals at this point but the market can be irrational longer than you can stay solvent so if everyone's being irrational it's kind of rational it's kind of rational to be irrational. Mind you, I don't know anything about what I'm talking about. But I'm ripping buzzwords and phrases at a really strong clip. And I think they're loosely connected to what we're talking about.

So hang in there and get rich listening to this. No, dude, honestly, I would sell everything. I'd be all the way out. Just chill. Get into something brick and mortar. Let's open a laundromat, dude. They always make jing. Dude, I just don't think I valued, maybe because I grew up spoiled and like it was an easy life for me, but I don't think I valued making dough enough. I think early in my career, I thought not trying to make dough would actually help me make dough because it would make what I was saying cooler and then more people would want in on it. But actually the people who went for dough, no one cared and thought they were sellouts for doing it. and then they just ended up making a lot of dough. So I guess I've become not more cynical

because you've got to live your life as you are, not as someone else. That won't work. But I guess I've just become more like open-minded to the idea that like whatever you want to do, even if you think it's like not the perfect version of you that you were watching a movie, maybe that's not an ish.

Maybe you just, you know, reflect on it later but with more you got more your your you you you you guys shit's better i think a lot of it is like uh when you're young or like choosing a quote unquote career right and you're like thinking about these jobs like accountant or like stock investor whatever these things might be like you just think of like a guy at a desk in like a fucking cubicle or something yes and you want to chase the thing that's like no i want to like go do something like i want to chase my romantic yeah or at at least me anyways. I think like, I want to chase my dream. Like I want to like try and push it to the limit, right? Like I want to see what I can create or like build. But then the guys who like

stuck it out through like college and like accounting or all that like they're like set now. They're crushing it. They could retire like at like 50, right? And then the romantic life that you were chasing at a certain point it is the sick job, but it also just becomes a job. And you're like, oh, I'm not getting as big a bump from the romance of what I'm doing. And I'm not making a ton of on it. So like should I have just done the thing that was kind of a buzzkill, but actually now on the back end is like sets you up pretty nicely? Yeah. And the stress part of it too. You think like those jobs are high stress. Like you're investing people's money and shit. One hundred op. But every job has stress. Like I probably would have the same issues doing what I'm doing now,

doing that. You know, like it would be a little bit different obviously. But you still have these stresses. Like every job has a stress. You kind of just, yeah, I don't know. I didn't. I didn't I'm with you. I didn't set myself up as good as I probably should have. But hopefully one day I do, you know. Dude, totally. Hey, it's never too late. Yeah.

I mean, you can become whoever you want to be whenever you want to be. And I believe that. Dude, guy in the chat right here, big Logan said, JT, how do I get out of debt without being a chode? I have the perfect plan for you, dude. And this is something that not a lot of people will teach you. I think I'm actually first to market on this. You need to get married.

find a woman who has more money than you and get married to her. You don't have to be in love with her because almost immediately divorce her. Because not only in a divorce do you split the upside, you split the downside. Your debt, they take on half of it. This could be like some superficial stuff. But isn't it crazy that like some chicks like when they think of a career, it's just to like marry some rich guy and steal half of it. It could happen with men too.

Well, look, let me, let me defend the ladies here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not, yeah. When we're keeping women out of the workforce for, you know, 80 years or whatever, if you want to just take it from post-industrial revolution, they didn't have a lot of options. So that was the only thing on tip. I think what's going to be interesting going forward is now that women have caught up

and by a lot of metrics are doing better professionally relative to other men in their age bracket, I think what you're going to see is a lot of women getting taken advantage of by dudes because I don't think opportunism falls to one gender I think who's if you got to survive you're going to do what you can so if you're a young cutie dude who can accommodate his personality to a rich chick

who you know is is pretty chill you're going to make that move and so I think I think it's going to go both ways and we're starting to see that turn a bit. Yeah I'd like to also put on the record that my like sort of misogyny kind of uh bled through there i didn't mean to say you know it's just women people in general they just try to marry somebody and take half of it you know it's like wait what you said like i think i misheard you because i thought you were just going to be well i was just

but did you just reaffirm what you said the first no i just people in general it's not gender based yeah yeah i apologize uh just saying no you're you're you're also do you here's the thing bro I think we get too caught up in like being like oh can you believe a guy said like a negative thing about women he's like a misogynist like of course we should all be smarter and more evolved but also you're a guy and you're dating women so your perspective is going to come from that it's the same way when like when women are like guys are like this

and we're like why does that chick hate dudes it's like because she's been dating dudes like you're gonna we're all gonna have some uh hang-ups based off our fears and experience. I don't think that makes you a bad person. I think it's cool you're willing to openly dialogue on it, brother. I know you're a great guy. I've been thinking about that too.

We're like, like, I've been called a misogynist, but the only people who have ever called me a misogynist were women I dated. And so to me, it's more like, am I a misogynist or do you and me just have problems? Right. like if I'm not like if I'm hiring the best person for a job and it's a woman and we get along great but then I come home and you and me are beefing and you're like hey you're a misogynist and I'm like

nah dude like you're being a dick to me and I have a fucking problem with it and then sometimes I overreact and now I'm being a dick I don't think it has anything to do with you being a chick or me being a dude we're just in the same house and we're having issues and like and like I'm sorry. Like, if you were a dude, we'd probably have these same problems. Unless your chat, he's like impossible to fight with and just the nicest guy ever. But other dudes, I'd definitely beef with. What do?

What up, dude. Dude, what up, man. This is Smoking Gange here, long-time fan. Big love to you, J-T. Hey, big love to you smoking gongch. Hell yeah. But yeah, dude, I guess I'm just calling in in honor of your solo cruising pod, you know, you're flying solo out without your best boy.

I kind of got a similar thing going in life where like, you know, I moved to a small town. Honestly, life is good. I'm not going to rehash the tons of callers who are like, how do I make friends? You know, I've got a girlfriend. I got family. Life is good. I'm just calling to ask, you know, what's some solo stuff to do to keep my stokes? up, you know, like, uh, I got free time. It's mostly just me chilling. I know you were talking

about going to concert solo. That honestly seems rad as hell. I like going to a movie solo every once in a while. But, uh, yeah, man, just what do I do with myself other than sit and stare at the wall? Bro, those are literally two of my top things. Concert solo, movie theater solo. bro I'm going to throw you this and you might have already missed the window and I mentioned this at the beginning of the pod so forgive me if you made it to the end for me repeating myself

but um dude running for office you get to talk to a lot of people and it puts them in a frame where for the people who stick around there's some people who are like dude just get away from me but a lot of people will be like they'll just open up

to you right away and be like, you know what pisses me off is that I'm not allowed to bring my bike over the Mariposa bridge because of the horse people. Why do the horse people get the bridge? And us bike people don't. There's more bikers than horse people. And you're like, dude, we're in a real conversation right now. Okay. So I should just start going knocking on people's doors being like, what's your issue? And dude, you don't even have to technically run for office. I think you could just get a clipboard and create some kind of movement organization issue that you care about and just go up to people and be like, hey, do you mind signing my clipboard? It's to make it so people only do edibles because we don't want people blowing weed smoke into the air. It's

collectively bad for everyone and it might be banging up the ozone. And then all of a sudden, you're, wait, forgive me, because your name is smoking gonged. So I'm sorry for, choosing that as my example. No, man, that's perfect. That's right in my wheelhouse of issues, dude. 100%. You know it.

You go around with the clipboard and say, hey, sign up for this. We only want people to do edibles, no more smoking. And look, a lot of people will give you the hairy eyeballs. Some people will think you're just a weirdo for sure. But the people who get it and who click in, that's going to be someone you really want to communicate with. So I just think make your presence seem official

and that's a green light to get close to people. I love it, man. I'm honestly really behind this. I maybe I'll consider, I always see the elections around here. It's a small town so half of them are uncontested. It could probably be a comptroller or something, right? I don't even know what that does.

Dude, 100%. People are like, oh, you don't have the institutional knowledge. It's like, well, dude, people learn on the job. And look, honestly, you can quit. If you win, resign. You still got a great experience out of it. I'm like the outsider candidate. That's like my selling point is I don't know anything.

100%. And so in the process of that, too, you're also learning how to present yourself to the world. See, right there, you just came up with it. I'm an outsider candidate. I don't know anything. If some guy comes up to me and says, hey, I'm running for comptroller. I don't know anything. I might not vote for him, but I'm instantly intrigued, and I trust him.

And I trust him because he shot me straight right out the gates. I like that. You have a natural, I really hope you win this election. I know up top you said you have no hope of winning, but I got to say, very charismatic, very charismatic. I would vote for you. That's nice, dude. That means a lot to me. I'm not going to win.

I'm definitely not going to win. You know yourself, though. Just like you were giving me a selling point I think that's a selling point You know yourself You know you might not win But isn't it beautiful to go die On your sword anyway

Exactly And dude if I lose the election But I make a couple friends in the process It was worth it Well yeah man Wow that's a very inspiring Maybe I will run for local office Dude hey

Sheriff Smoke and Gange It could happen I am the law You are the law And you know what, dude, Burbank's funny. We don't have any weed shops because we think it'll be bad for, like, morale. But we're sending all those tax dollars right across the street to North Hollywood. People are still coming into Burbank stoned out of the bejeez.

And we got vape shops and liquor stores. So where does the value system coming from? Maybe it's just an aggregate thing that we're trying to keep minimized. But it's a conversation. And I like conversation. No, I was going to say in Oregon here, they did the same thing. where some jurisdictions were like, well, we're legal, but not here. I agree with it.

It's ridiculous. It's like, well, I'm just going to drive across county lines. Right. And then I might rip the vape on the way home. And now you got a stone guy in his car for two extra miles. Don't do that. No, don't ever do that. Don't ever do that.

But we have to speak realistically about what could happen. But I would never. I don't do that. Yeah. I don't even smoke that much gonzage anymore. but I respect your ability and your right to maybe make it something that happens where you're at. Dude, I love that, man. You can stand in solidarity.

Hey, love you too, man. Arms link, dude. Spokin Gond, you seem like a really well-adjusted guy. You got a gal. You're open to friends, but you're not chasing it. It seems like you're just, you know, in line and on time. Keep it going, dude. Hell yeah, man.

Big ups to you, dude. Have a great rest of your pod. All right, man. Talk to you soon. Peace. What a great guy. I think we're good, dude. Hey, Stokers, thank you for joining us on this journey.

Next week, we'll have my dearest dog, Chad, back. I love you guys. And, you know, sometimes I don't say it enough. I don't say it enough, but I do. I love you.