Going Deep with Chad and JT - Ep. 98 - JT's Dad Joins

Episode Date: October 23, 2019

What up stokers, in this episode we are joined by the legend himself, JT's dad, Tommy Parr. We dive into his backstory, his entrepreneurial career, and his current health battle. It's a banger. Boom clap and jabwow! Check out our t-shirts at www.chadgoesdeep.com

all right what's up stokers of stoke nation this is chad kroger coming in with going deep with chad jt podcast i'm here with my compadre Jean Thomas, what up? Boom, clap Stokers And we are here with JT's dad, Mr. Parr Tommy P, how's it going? Tommy Good, good, I'm glad to be here

Did I get a little closer to the mic too, sorry Yeah, right there How you doing? Good, had a nice weekend in LA Yeah, you been enjoying it? Yeah, it's been fun Yeah Mellow What time did you get up weekend in LA. Yeah, you've been enjoying it? Yeah, it's been fun. Yeah. It's been fun.

Mellow. What time did you get up this morning? 5.30. Nice. What'd you do at that time? Turned on the news. You seen good stuff on there? I always like the mornings, early mornings, because it's peaceful.

Yeah, there's no distractions. No, it's good. My head's clear and all good. When you were a kid in Jersey and you'd wake up before the rest of the family, what would you do? That was hard to do to always be first because there were six kids in my family total. So they were getting up early too. It was always something going on, pretty active family. Yeah, a lot of energy.

A lot of energy. Which place were you in the siblings? I was the fourth child. Okay. place were you in the civil i was the fourth child okay and uh and your mom was running the household yes which a lot of your friends like because i told your friends to send us uh emails or questions rather to ask you and one of the things that some of them mentioned primarily ruthie your friend ruthie was uh you grew up uh upper middle class at the start but then you guys dipped yeah my dad was an entrepreneur and um you know he was in the

he was in the building business and um you know he it went up and down and he at one time he was the largest home builder in new jersey and uh it was uh after post-war Korea and that, my dad was kind of like, was in a space where he was building almost like what you would call today prefab homes. And so in a lot of ways, I think my dad at one time was building like 50 homes a month. But he was also financing them. And at that time, they didn't have places to sell off the paper that you were holding. And he was borrowing short-term and lending long-term, and I guess interest rates had been pretty stable for a long time. And then the economy kind of went crazy, and interest rates spiked, and he got caught holding a lot of paper. But he came through it, but it downsized the companies quite a lot of paper but you know he he came through it but it downsized the companies

quite quite a lot it's remarkable because my dad was like 11 years old when all that happened really but he remembers like the interest rates from like 1962 did you always have an interest in business and like finance like were you always sort of keeping up to date with all that i was pretty good with numbers but uh you know my my dad took me in under his wing. I mean, he used to take me everywhere, even in meetings, business meetings. And my dad was a pretty interesting guy. He was also a pretty renowned chess player,

which was his passion. My dad used to play chess probably, I don't know, eight hours a day. Oh, yeah, he'd come home from work, and he'd go in the living room and it was his room and play chess by himself for five hours really yeah he belonged to the manhattan chess club in new york and he also belonged to a couple other chess clubs ones in princeton and that and i think he he even got to like bobby fisher the greatest american chess player ever how'd he he do? Well, at those times, Bobby Fischer used to play against 20 people at the same time. Really?

Oh, yeah. So, I mean, I think he did fairly well, considering. Yeah. He was an avid... He was pretty... That was his passion. And he played? I did at a younger age.

I haven't played chess in a long time. Yeah. It's a great game. We used to play growing up. And your dad was Hindu, right? He was an orphan, but he had a religion called Ramakrishna.

And I was raised a Catholic. My mother was a Catholic. And, you know, there was times we'd had Swamis in the house and we had priests in the house. Really? It was interesting.

Yeah, my dad did a lot for the Ramakrishna Center, which is in Manhattan, and helped them financially in other ways, helped them publish books and things like that. But he was very close to a couple of key swamis there. Was it ever, like, what did you think when the swamis would come over?

It was a little weird. I mean, because, you know, you have your friends over, and they go, what's all that going over there in that room? My dad used to burn incense and things of that nature. You know, my dad was different. And at that time in life, it wasn't so mainstream. Or maybe today it's not even mainstream. But, yeah, it was different.

It was different. Yeah, but there's more, like, niche culture that's kind of generally accepted, I feel like, now. Although I wasn't there when that happened. No, you weren't. Yeah. Do you maintain some, did it sort of change the way you think spiritually? Or did you sort of stay within the Catholic kind of? I think it kind of well balanced me.

You know, the Catholic, you know, you grow up as a Catholic, there's some pretty strict, you know, staying with it. And this was a more, you know, more internally yourself type of thing on the Hindu side, which it was a good overlap of everything. Well, yeah, you're very Catholic. Yeah, I mean, you're wearing a cross. Yes, I am.

A little garish. It's gold. Yeah, that's the jersey. I mean, I can't get it out of me. Yeah, and now we have priests over at the house sometimes still. Yeah. Yeah, Father Bill.

Yeah, I love Father Bill. What do you like about being tight with priests? I think it's, you know, the world goes so fast, and it's nice to have what I call it more like spiritual advising, you know, to reflect with somebody in a different way and, you know, having different answers or things that you may not, you know, just want to talk. And it's, you know, it's some, I mean, I talk to a lot of people,

but I do enjoy talking to priests. I do. Yeah, that's nice. Do you think having some sort of faith or spiritual sort of cultivating that side of your life has helped you with business or just in general? Or what sort of main benefit do you have? It's just a balance to me. Yeah. And I find as I get older, I am more kind of balanced in that approach. It's not, you know, before when you're something, you know,

I look back at my life sometimes, you just jump in it and do it. Yeah. You know, now you're maybe it's, you call it caution or call it whatever, but you're more look at things perspectively in a lot of different ways than I did when I was younger. Yeah. Yeah. My dad's gotten much more involved with the Catholic Church, actually, in the past, like,

10 years. My stepmom's Catholic, so he, I think he just loves the community aspect of it, too. He's always trying to push me. He's like, you know what you should do on Sunday? Go to church. And, yeah, I think he's found sort of, because he was never really spiritual or anything. yeah i think he's found sort of because he was never really spiritual or anything i think he grew up religious but in the past 10 years he's sort of seemed to have found a lot of peace from it it is weird when you're because my dad wasn't super catholic and then maybe when i was like 16

he started going to church a lot yeah it can it can be kind of random when you're watching it as a offspring you're like what the hell's going on here yeah yeah since when do you are you into all this stuff but it's very genuine yeah yeah i kind of have done that through my life like going in and out of it and gotten away from it and come back to it right uh so dad you grew up in new jersey you got six siblings five siblings who are your best buddies uh in today or through time through time like back then i still have a lot of close friends that i grew up in uh that area with and i'm still we still stay in touch a lot and how long have you known jimmy t long long time i i met jimmy when i was probably in sixth grade. Right, and then you guys worked together up until a decade ago.

Yeah. I think that's one of the coolest things about you is that you had this successful hair care business, but a lot of the people who worked in it were people that you've known since childhood. A few people. Not too many. Well, Arthur was an investor. Your brother ran it with you jimmy t was in there arthur i met later in my life though but in your early 20s though yeah

when i was in my 20s but not when i was young really yeah but you've had a lot of bros for a long time yeah that's kind of me i mean some people you know you meet people in your life that you have a connection with and uh you know i you know that i have i call it pretty good ethical points to them and you know they in uh don't aren't afraid to tell you what they think about what you think and uh and uh there's a bond i mean man that's probably something i think is uh i don't know, maybe that's a Jersey thing or something. It's probably true in a lot of other places, too. But, you know, there was a bond with people. Did you always have an entrepreneurial mindset growing up?

Or is that sort of what you always envisioned for yourself? I think that was a DNA that was built into my family. Yeah. You know, my older siblings were pretty ambitious and entrepreneur. You know, my dad died when I was 13. Oh, wow. You know, my mother had six kids raised, you know, at younger teenage years. I guess Marianne at the time, my oldest sibling, was probably 18 at the time.

probably 18 at the time. So it was a young family and, you know, a lot to manage for my mother. And, you know, outgoing kids, you know, all active, you know. Yeah. Coming home late at nights and, you know, all that. We just, we were always out of the house. Yeah. We didn't have, you know, your iPhones in that period was outside. You got out got out of the house well you're a bit of a hellraiser too right yeah not uh i wouldn't

be over the top on that but we had we sure had fun would you would you say if you were a hellraiser though um i need a lot more crazier people than me that's always nice no that is nice i mean i had some i was the same way i always said I was like, I'm not that fucking nuts. I mean, look at that guy. Yeah, he's out of his mind. I knew when to turn in a hallway in high school and go the other way. Right. Who's that, like Joey Mamo?

Yeah, Joey Mamo. Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah. He was a nutbag back in high school, right? Pardon me? Not to speak ill of the deceased, but Joey, I mean, when I knew him, he was a very peaceful guy. Oh, yeah.

He was a peaceful guy guy he had turned a corner he mellowed out in time but yeah, I had a tough friend Ross and my dad used to come up to me and be like you know, Ross is tough, but my friend Joey in high school would have beat the fuck out of him when you were raised in JT did you see a lot of similarities in yourself?

because you're sort of like a ne'er-do-well. Yeah. I was in trouble, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a mellow side tone. Right. He wasn't like a wound-up kid. Yeah.

I mean, he was wound up verbally all the time. Yeah. But it wasn't like he was wrecking and going to hell everywhere. Yeah. I think some people would disagree. You were always on it in ways that I didn't worry much about you. I think you did. Yeah, JT had always had a confidence about him.

It was good. Yeah. I know about that. And he was smart in fact you know there was i knew it when he even by by the time he got into middle schools and that you know he's he he could sing them they go over my head i'd have to figure out what he was trying to tell me yeah so his kids got the get the gab yeah so he'll make his way in life he used to read incredible amounts of books yeah he was a big reader yeah didn't do much else in school but he sure liked to read my dad would always call me the mouth of the south yeah i guess it was ted turner's nickname yeah that brings me to troy

troy wanted to know how did you lose your virginity thanks troy i don't uh i i think i lost my virginity at the new jersey shore i did oh nice how old are you probably 16 you told me 14 when i was growing up i think maybe not maybe that was maybe because i was telling you a little behind yeah it sounds like you um what uh do you remember the gal do you remember the story? No I know it was a night And I was with a buddy And we met up with these two girls And it just carried on

Was it a good experience? Yeah, it was So you weren't dating her at the time? No, no It was a one-off Oh, nice Do you have a girlfriend in high school? Yeah, I did

I generally had girlfriends. Didn't you almost marry one of them and her dad wanted you to take over his bakery? Well, that's what her plan was. That wasn't my plan. Well, how did that go? That was Robin Letier. She was, her family owned a big big big bakery and the Trenton area and yeah we did we were together for probably a couple years the old man like but I

decided right and gave you the not gave you the blueprint not her father her father was there had been divorced it was her mother who was involved in it was a family bakery okay she kind of had her future planned out when she was 17 what she wanted to do and you know get an apartment get married and then it wasn't for me so you move out to sun valley and then you were like a ski bum for a couple years uh i was it was i wouldn't call it i worked in uh in the evenings and the restaurants and you know i i had always had this love with restaurants, you know, younger. And, you know, skied in the daytime and all day and probably six, seven days a week skied

and worked, you know, probably five, six nights a week in restaurants. And you lived on buckwheat pancakes? Yeah, well, I was so broke when I got to Sun Valley that I had worked in this diner. I mean, it was kind of like a breakfast cafe, 24-hour breakfast cafe. And, you know, I was pearl diving. You know, that's dishwashing to you guys. And, you know, I was 17, and I ended up stealing a bag of buckwheat pancakes that I lived on for about 45 days straight,

which all you had to do was add water. Did you live in Ketchum I lived in Ketchum yeah oh so you go there a lot I do yeah do you have a favorite run that you remember from the mountain I love holidays my favorite I loved a lot of it yeah exhibition was the big exhibition I love exhibition i was a pretty good skier actually i skied at the end of the year there it was uh late late march uh early april we got a dump of about three four feet of snow and it was a single chairlift no safety bar and yeah i was in a powder day it was early in the morning and i was cleaning off my goggles and I ended up getting my ski caught in one of the towers. It fell out about 40 feet and broke compressed tube vertebraes in my back. Oh, wow.

So I was done skiing for that year. What did you do that year when you were recovering? I took a job. I came back east and took a job on a sailboat. I lived on a sailboat, like a 54-foot foot boat from another girlfriend that i knew it was her grandfather and he was it was an interesting and he had a he lived in high park in new york he was a surgeon so these people trusted you a lot huh uh he needed help and he was paying me 25 bucks a week and i was living off peanut butter and jelly sandwiches but i i i worked But I worked on the boat, you know, get up in the morning,

varnish and do this and that. You know, he had a home in Providence Town, Cape Cod, and he was married, and I think his wife came from a famous artist out of France, and they used to battle all the time. And we had this bell that was on the dock, and probably three, four days a week I'd be hearing this bell late at night. And I'd have to go get him, row it and get him. And he'd be all pissed off.

And he was about 6'6", big guy. And he was probably in his late 70s when I met him. But a real soul of the earth guy. He taught me a lot. He was a really cool guy. And I met him. But a real soul of the earth guy. He taught me a lot. He was a really cool guy. And I enjoyed that. And I got to swim on my back every day. You know, I mean, swimming.

And I never had sense I had a problem on my back. Sciatica. Yeah, sorry. That's from long flights and staying on planes. I remember when you had that. I tried to wrestle you when you had it. JT, my sciatic. My sciatic.

I never drink enough water. Yeah, you don't drink water ever. You hate the stuff. I'm all over you about it. He hates water. He hates water. Yeah, you put water in front of him. He makes the most disgusting face of you.

You feel like you've disrespected him. It can be a chore sometimes. You've got to drink your water. Yeah, you've got to hydrate. You're the king of the nicknames. I'd like to know the origins of some of them my dad, whenever you're acting cool my dad will go, oh look it's Radical Frank the Weenie and where did Radical Frank the Weenie

come from? another character in my growing up youth you know what else? you call me buckaroo bonsai you call Bob Bobby Clyde Scotty Scotty Waddy Doo Dah

you like to say where did rock and roll sushi come from whenever there's a good scene in an action movie my dad would go rock and roll sushi and yeah where did that come from out of my mind I mean I don't know sometimes you connect certain things with certain

other things and they just connect and then so many of your friends want to know about the nicknames because uh like david gingold one of your best buddies he wanted to know where you came up with porky magumbo he calls me porky magumbo oh okay where did that come from him because there there'd be times that i lose weight, gain weight, or whatever, and sometimes I was overweighted. And David was always, again, he's an East Coast guy, and he framed me at one point. He looked at me, he hadn't seen me in a long time,

and he just spit out, man, you're a poor kid combo. It's a good nickname. Yeah, it is. And you had some other good ones. If I got sad and I started crying when I was a kid over something that wasn't that important, pork combo it's a good nickname yeah it is and you you had some other good ones like if you ever started if i got sad like and i started crying when i was a kid over something that wasn't that important i would go do not cry my heavy weight you know i'm in love with you and then uh and then if you were acting too cool and my dad needed to check you go be cool because i went to boxing

school where did all those come from just just from living yeah yeah and then you called mom turbo and pork chop well the sometimes nicknames are opposites of what people are right yeah and you know and you know it kind of gets to them you're needling them a little bit yeah yeah well i think your mother didn't mind i called her turbo you know you know what i do that you do too that used to drive mom fucking crazy? Is whenever my mom would pass out somewhere, my dad would take photos of her. She'd sleep where she wasn't supposed to be. We'd be at the airport, and she'd just zonk out. My dad would just take all these photos of her.

And I love doing that, too. I do that to Sally all the time. If you can recall, there never seemed to be a lot of pictures of your mother in the house. Because every picture we ever took of your mother, she never liked it right oh really oh we used to have photo albums and she sometimes go into them and see a picture when she'd rip it up go i go why'd you do that i mean these are historical pictures right right right hey that was in we were in jackson hall or oh she'd rip them yeah you know what i don't like that picture you know what I think is part of the reason I do it is that, like, you know, the people I've dated have had so much personality, and I'm a little afraid of them.

So when they're sleeping, they're, like, docile. Yeah. It was like my mom at her most passive. When did you meet Monica? I met Monica when I was probably 25, 25. And I had met her, I had a friend of mine. I was living in Virginia in the restaurants. And I became good friends with a friend I'm still dearly friends with.

And they were developers also. And they had built some condo projects in Fort Lauderdale. And, you know, I was 25, and Arthur at that time was probably 30-something. But they had a, I call them capitalist toll, they had a King Air airplane. And we used to fly down to Fort Lauderdale where they were building condos and party on the weekends or go there like because they had a place there too and and I I met her brother in a club and was and and at that time it was hard to get into some of these better clubs right and he was pretty wired into all these clubs and you know you then you'd go down there and you hey you met somebody in connection

can you and we hung out. He was a fun guy. And I ended up getting to know him. And he ended up introducing me to Monica. At that time, I had a girlfriend. And Monica had a boyfriend. And we kind of got to know each other because she also, at the time, liked to go out. And we went to all these great clubs, you know, whether it was in Miami or Fort Lauderdale, and just being young and having fun and partying.

And through that period, which probably went on for a couple years, that we knew each other, and we didn't get down there all the time, but when we did, they just happened to like us. They were from Columbia. We were Americans, and we just got along. We were Americans, and we just got along. And then after a period of time, Monica and I, after knowing each other for a while, it just kind of clicked.

Mom said you guys went out one night, and that actually Arthur and Freddie, who's Freddie's Arthur's brother and also one of your dear friends, she said all three of you guys were trying to hook up with her that night. And that she said she just liked you the most yeah i think they gave me the stink guy yeah i think i got on a piano and started drumming some notes playing and uh that one it's pretty good my dad's never learned how to play piano but he has a good natural instinct for it oh you can just rip it out and no fear of flying we'd go over to like family friends houses and he would just start playing. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. You got to have tools. It's cheating. Whenever you do something that's like- Yeah, we used to call it cheating too. Whenever you use like a skill that differentiates you from people and makes like someone attracted to you. Like the guy that sends flowers after he went out on a date.

We used to call that cheating. My dad goes, you're cheating. Cheating. And then I know you loved Mama L luce mom's mom so much that was actually the first time i ever saw you cry i think was when she got sick and the house had just flooded in the illegal yeah my childhood home and uh yeah she had pancreatic cancer too yeah i know she meant so much to you guys it's so she was just a beautiful cool woman woman. She had a sparkle, energy, very fashionable, outgoing, fun. Had you ever met anybody like them before?

It was a different culture, so it was kind of my first immersion into Latin culture. What I loved about it was the dynamic of the family. You know, it was, in my view today still, I mean, because I've, you know, in business, I, you know, I also had businesses in Mexico, which I got close with other families there too. It's the culture, there's some culture that, you know, as in some of these families that the kids grow up faster. You know, I think they're more exposed at younger ages to more things that are verbalized.

Yeah, they can't hide themselves as well. I think they're more open to talk about family, you know, tight-knit families and open and, you know, problems and that. And, you know, a lot of things when I was growing up, it was families kind of kept that stuff away from their children right you know and I just found I just found the culture the uh was pretty uh you know the the uncles the aunts all that the family bond was a lot stronger you know I grew up in a family that my mother had 13 kids I had 17 I mean 72 first cousins yeah on my mother's side and they all lived probably within 10 hours of us and I and you know and after a

very brief period I hardly knew any of them I found the same way you know and I Monica's family also came from her mother dad came from a big family and there lots of siblings and you just saw the bond of the family I you know again I was younger and it was a it was a good immersion into it yeah it seems like that culture they have a passion for life and serve it and seizing the moment enjoying yeah well Colombians are very full right yeah very I don't know they've done studies I'm not that I believe in all that, but they're like the second happiest people on earth. Yeah.

I'd say they're also the second most pissed off. But they do like to party. Yeah. I mean, when I first met her mother and I made a trip to Colombia, they drink this drink called Aguadente, which is kind of like a lighter schnapps, and you can drink a lot of it. which is kind of like a lighter schnapps, and you can drink a lot of it. And we were going out to, outside of Medellin, Colombia,

going up to a ranch house on a weekend to visit with family, and everybody was going to come by, and she said, Tommy, Tommy, pull over. And we pulled over. She goes, will you go get some aguardiente? And she spoke a little. She didn't speak English all that well either. But I said, what do you want me to get, a couple bottles?

She said, no, get 24. And by the weekend was over, they were all gone. Yeah, yeah. They bring bags. Like when we went to a family reunion, they brought a full-size suitcase just with cartons of aguardiente. Yeah. They get after it.'s a how's your spanish uh poquito it's hilarious did you start did you learn a lot to sort of bond with the family a little bit more yeah i i can understand a lot what was being said

right now um but i didn't speak it well yeah you know i. I wasn't great at language. I barely speak English well. But then your biggest business ended up being a hair care business that you started in the 80s that lasted for 20 years probably before you sold it. 15 years. And you started with your brother. That's when I moved to California. When I when I came to California wasn't like I came to California just to check it out I I immediately got off the plane and started working mm-hmm and and I ended

up liking it a lot I loved the business you know we we ended up starting with a very small company and it was too fun and I you know we did business in like 38 countries and I got to travel a lot we had distributors I love distributors or because they're entrepreneur to we dealt with every major retailer in like 38 countries and i got to travel a lot we had distributors i love distributors because they're entrepreneur too we dealt with every major retailer in the united states um and uh you know my role was more in the sales and marketing and running the business and jimmy had built a really good r&d team and and you know developing product but you know it was a marketing driven company yeah you love marketing yeah i do that's your favorite how'd you know it was a marketing driven company you know yeah you love marketing

yo i do that's your favorite how'd you come up with a name on which one the got to be uh actually that came out of one of our girls out of the marketing uh my marketing department she came up with it i can't take that one i i remember too but i liked it when i heard it yeah your friend joe black said he goes joe black is a friend of my dad's and he was doing like helping my dad with a remodel of the office he goes you know jt when i go by the office when your dad's there it's really calm then when i come by when your dad's there shit is flying he's like papers are in the air people are running in and out of doors yeah yeah he's like it's just a it's chaos um but in a good way

because you love that you bring a lot of energy to everything what what well they used to make a joke because i you know some of our offices uh i mean they used to i could see where the carpets were worn where i used to i i'm a pacer you know i always have to go into some some department and so what's happening what's happening and you know it's in the creative part. And, you know, fortunately with the hair care company, we were able to do a lot of different brands, which it was fun. So each brand had its own identity. And that identity you help develop.

And, like, brands have personalities. And, you know, so we had brand managers, and we had a really, creative graphic team, which a lot of companies that we used to compete against didn't have that. They didn't have their own internal. So we could change packaging quickly. If an idea came up, boom, go right in there and bang it right out. And change that, change that. It was exciting.

I mean, and we moved fast. But what year was it when you were like, all right, this thing has, like, got the legs to really be a game changer for my family? Well, if you know me, JT, I still buy my nails. I still think the sky's falling down. You never think that. You just keep pushing forward. Yeah. I mean, I never sat back and said, hey, this is happening.

Hey, I can sit back. You know, I mean, I don't think I've ever felt in many things I've been involved in that I could take a big sigh of relief and say, Hey, let's chill. I can go do that. Business is constantly evolving, constantly challenging. Do you think that came from your dad going up and down with business? It probably has a lot to do with that. And I always say the sky's falling down. You just always have to be prepared.

And it's like chess. You've got to be be six moves ahead yeah you always got to be constantly thinking what's next you can't sit on your you know i mean it's a cliche but it's true you got to keep moving you have a couple things that you say are like that i think you'd stress the most about having success in business you'd always talk about profit margins like hair care products have great profit margin only costs like what like 50 cents to make yeah you had great margins going out the door but then again there was other costs associated with those against that with the different channels together we called co-op which was what retailers wanted to spend of it they took a big chunk and then location location location because my dad used

to take me around we'd go to different stores and we'd'd see how his products were lining up against the other ones. We used to say we wanted to be an eye-level company. And then he'd see some stores. I'm like, that's such a cool store. And my dad's like, JT, you know how fucking hard it is to get to that store? It's going to be out of business in six months. Really? Because the location sucked.

And he was generally right. And then what was your other big saying was pigs get fat. Hogs get slugged. Hogs get slugged, which was be greedy, but don't be too greedy. Or no one will like you, basically. Is there anything I'm missing? What were the other big ones? On my one-liners?

Yeah. They pop out. I find that they actually were pretty brilliant. Like the older I get, I used to just, you'd say them so much. I was like, it sounded like a jukebox or something. But now they make sense. What was it like for you to grow up in that kind of environment where I was off doing that? It was fun. I mean, I remember like, I have so many great, like with David Gingold, who's a really good buddy.

He's one of your distributors in New York. Like he was grilling my dad in a meeting and I was five old, and I came running into the meeting and started choking David. Oh, really? Yeah. Put him in a headlock. Yeah. And then I got to go to New York with my dad for that trip. A lot of trips.

I mean, that was one of the things. You know, particularly in my international business, which we had a big business in England and, you know, in Canada. But I was able to be able to take some of these, my kids on some of these trips because with distributors, you could plan a trip and, you know, so you got to go to Asia, you got to go to Europe.

Yeah, it was amazing. I was really lucky. And I got to meet people from all over, which I think really helped me connect with different kinds of people. And we always had people coming in and out of the house. Yeah, oh, the house was always packed. We always had like three people living with us.

Yeah. Like my dad would be like, hey, Arthur and Paul are going to live with us. Arthur and Paul don't even know each other for like a year. But it was great because then we could have like two-on-two basketball games at night. And then it was such a cast of characters that – and they all treated me like a little mini adult. They'd talk to me about their problems. And like I remember, you know, my dad would have like a 52-year- year old friend staying with us he'd get drunk and just cry to me about his dad yeah and i was like oh man people don't really get over this shit i was like i was like you know

these are successful people but you really get to see how not flawed but how everybody's kind of even these big alpha types are like kind of sensitive too and it was it was pretty awesome and then my dad was so into business he i was reading the business section of the newspaper from like 11 to 15 and i'd keep track of stocks and like how different metals were going up and down and it was fun and you always like i remember when we went on one trip you let me stay up with the dads one night when everybody was just pitching business ideas and i just got to watch men bond and through business it was pretty awesome yeah i enjoyed it good yeah i enjoyed this i'm sorry the business stuff didn't take more hold but i always enjoyed the the the sport of it

yeah yeah did you want jt to follow in your footsteps or did you want him to find his own path behind his own path? I think I... Maybe a little bit, but no. I always thought... He was strong individuals. Yeah. Even since he was young. I just really wanted him to do what he wanted to do.

Right. I still think that maybe one day we'll do something together. Yeah, for sure. My dad's probably always think that way. Yeah. They've gone... I still have that maybe one day we'll do something together. Yeah, for sure. My dad's probably always think that way. But, you know, they've gone, you know, I still have hope for Christopher. He might come around to that. But, you know, I mean, today I'm still looking at it. I have a couple projects that I'm working on that, you know,

that I think are quite interesting and the ability to put a team back together and build something again. And they're in two different spaces, and, you know, I'm kind of excited about it. But, you know, again, I have a health issue that I'm dealing with that kind of makes me don't want to leave the family with a bag of crap that I might create. You know, so I've got to be very kind of selective. You know, what's really important now is putting the right team in place you got to stay on top of it too dad with the

the eating and the smoking stuff yeah driving me fucking crazy with that shit please i don't mean to i get on you about it all right what uh what was i gonna say um go ahead so when you sold the business, what was your mindset? You were kind of like immediately, you were just like, what's next? I got an inside look of a large conglomerate, you know, and I did that for, I stayed aboard for, I didn't have to. I could have left the next day, but I stayed aboard for a couple years, integrating a couple companies and, you companies and getting our company right-sized and moving forward. But then I got into, saw the big corporate side of it and reports, reports, reports.

Yeah. Cut cost, cut cost, cut cost. And it jaded me a little bit on what I would call a little bit of the uncaringness of people. You know, we had a pretty good team that we had developed. And, you know, it just seemed it did some of these larger size things. And when you acquire a company, you know, and, you know, they try to right size it, downsize yeah they're streamlined and integrated and that wasn't fun yeah so I saw that and didn't I mean fortunately I we've spun on another idea and we started another company in the outdoor footwear active outdoor lifestyle footwear no business

like shoe business yeah no business like shoe business and that that was a fun deal I mean we put together a great team and uh built that up and i just recently sold that about a year a year ago a year and a half ago you love the team building uh it's camaraderie it's hanging out yeah you're you live in you know start owning the business and being involved in it you know you're you're you're living with it yeah and having the right team of people that get along with one another there's always inside stuff fighting and stuff like that you know or people's opinions and things like that but it's fun how important was having mom with you when you were doing all this your mother was a great business person she was a great you know she was my best

sounding board today she's still my best i mean we're she's still one of my best sounding boards your mother has a very good judge of people judge of timing you know when to be aggressive when to move when to be stay still i mean she's she was a great sounding and a great partner you know big mama okay so when we proposed to her um she says you guys were just driving in a car. Down Corona Del Mar. And then you just said, hey. Mother in the back seat. And you just said. Really?

Her mother in the back seat. And you just said, hey, what do you think? Should we get married? Yeah. Really? And her mother said, what do you say? What do you say in Spanish? Yeah, yeah.

He just asked me if we wanted to get married. What'd you say? Anyway, yeah. Then what happened from there we got married she said yes in the car i think i had i had moved to california i think in uh jan december 85 and uh your mother and i were married by may of 86 and you guys you married you wore a blue zoot suit as you guys got married in coconut grove miami yeah yeah fun and you said some people were betting you guys wouldn't make it yeah it's here and you guys i am amazed you guys made it you guys both have such big you're both steamrollers i would call you both big personalities

and you guys made it what 25 years or something like that almost 30 yeah it's pretty amazing yeah and you told me even on the airplane on your honeymoon, you thought, what the fuck am I doing? But I appreciate your ability to stay in the pocket and take it on day by day. Well, I hope we had you too. Yeah. And now you have a wonderful girlfriend, Kent. How did you guys meet? I met Kent in Montana, in Bozeman, where I now have another home,

and that's where our footwear company was centered. You met her at a bar, right? I met her in a restaurant called Plunk, which is, Plunk stands for cheap wine, I guess, in England. Plunk means cheap wine or something. But I introduced through a friend that met. You were pretty persistent. She told me that she was with another guy. I said she was with another guy yeah and then she was

trying to go home and my dad kept insisting that she let him walk her home really yeah I did walk around I drove her home and then he just stayed on it yeah well we we had a bond originally the first day I met her. We've talked and we bond, and she's a wonderful person. And you kind of believe in, like, astrological stuff. I do? Yeah, because he'll be like, JT, JT, Kent's got to go for a long walk. The full moon's out. He goes, when the full moon comes up.

Well, that's her. Kent's very much that way. I mean, when the full moon's rise, I mean, forget it. She's gone. Yeah. Are you sensitive to that stuff? You're like, like when the full moon when the moon's rise I mean forget it she's gone yeah are you sensitive to that stuff you're like

I call it whack-a-noodle stuff yeah yeah she's big on that I mean she just it's true it's built into her

she's it's like full moons she's just can't sleep she's just really yeah it's cool interesting

yeah she's she's a good lady. You've met Kent, right? I've met Kent, yeah. Dad, what's the... We hung out in Miami. Oh, yeah. That was fun.

Dad, what's the worst beating you've ever taken? Beating? Wow. Because I got one, but I'll let you go. My dad with a belt? Yeah, that's not fun. I remember... He had this move when he went for his belt

where he would do this like two two hand two hands like the slide he had this like run for cover yeah

would you run oh yeah well and did you ever fight back never no because I started trying to when we would get into it

once in a while I don't think my dad ever took a belt to me maybe once oh okay but he would do grandma would do it right uh yeah i think when i was really little my mother used she'd use a broomstick because we could hide under the bed and she would geek out you little shitheads get she was a pistol too man grandma was like, she had like an acid tongue.

But it was great. She's so funny. Yeah, she was a great woman. She was amazing. Well, your grandmother. I loved her, yeah. And you guys were great grandchildren. Yeah, we were tight.

But the beating I'm talking about, and I've taken some, too, so there's no judgments. My dad goes to a high school football team party with all the dads. And, you know, it's all these alpha male Orange County dads. Everybody's jacked up. My dad comes outside, and he sees some, like, 19-year-olds, and they're knocking the side view mirrors off cars. And so my dad just goes, hey, no, no, no, starts chasing them.

He's like, hey, you fucks. Goes to get them. They all start running. It's the only time I wore, probably in my lifetime, I've worn white pants maybe five times in my whole lifetime. I happen to have white pants on. This is a good story. So my dad's chasing like five or six teenagers, like 19-year-olds. He's running, he's running. They turn and stop, ready to fight.

It was like five or six of them. But I had the advantage that I was coming down a hill, and they had turned up the hill. And I don't know where I thought. Maybe Bruce Lee came into my mind. But I literally went up in the air and gave the one guy a kick with my foot right into his chest and flattened him. Yeah.

And then my dad, he goes, I'm guard. And he's fighting like four guys. But unfortunately, I didn't see this girl that was in the group with him who had a full bottle of wine. Big bottle. She smashed it right over my head. No way. And cut my head wide open. This is my white pants story. Blood's coming all the way down. Oh, my God.

But unfortunately, the cavalry had come. There was a gentleman, Jack Maxwell, whose son knocked you out one time. Yeah. And a really big father. Mr. Pizzero. Mr. Pizzero came roaring. Flew helicopters in Vietnam. And I'll never forget that Mr. Pizzero, I could see his fist just moving slowly to this guy's face.

Yeah. Flatten him. Apparently, they were all coming from a USC graduation party. Okay. And they were probably all jacked up, too. But it was quite a little. I was probably, I don't know, 50 then. Yeah.

I get a phone call. Not growing up. I get a phone call. Ross's dad, Finley. He goes, JG, your fucking father, he got his fucking head split open. I go, oh, my God, Finley's going to be okay. He goes, yeah, his head will be fine. His ego, that's another story.

Finley just goes. Yeah, there had to be probably 120 parents there at that point. Yeah. I come into the house soaking bloody. The women are there freaking out. Yeah. I'm in a sink trying to wash my head. Finley took me to the hospital. Yeah.

So, Dad, what's something that you've learned from your experiences over the last year and a half? Has your perspective changed at all on life, or has it reaffirmed what you kind of already knew? Yeah, I mean, you know, when I got the news that I had cancer, I mean, I think I took it really well. I mean, to me, it's another challenge, and just, you know, I immediately said at that point,

hey, listen, I've had a good life. I have had a good life. Yeah, you really stressed that to me. I'm a very fortunate person in this world. I thank God for that. You know, I just immediately said I've had a good life. And, you know, what it's going to be is, you know, do the best you can to kind of, you know, take care of this and try to fight it.

But at the same time, I really quickly rationalized that I've had a great life. And whatever happens, happens. And it's inevitable anyway. And I just had that spirit in me. It wasn't like I was, I'm not afraid to die. No, I'm not. You know, and that's part of, you know, afterlife and believing in that, and I do. JT, when he's talked to me about it, he said that you've always been very optimistic about it.

And he sort of just got right back to work, and you maintained this full life energy throughout it all. Yeah, it took a little, you know, I had sold the footwear. The day, actually, the day I got diagnosed, two days later, we closed the deal on my footwear company. So the timing of that was good. But, you know, I went through, you know, the typical treatment scenarios of chemos and that, which knock you down. And then I had a major surgery last September.

Whipple. It's one of the biggest procedures you can have. Yeah, hour surgery but 10 days later you flew to a wedding yeah i wasn't too good at that yeah the fact that you made it there but i did testament to your fortitude you know and that took a while to get over but you know i'm doing good and um i feel good um like my you know a period there they they my cancer they said i was uh cancer free but it came back it's small right now it hasn't grown you know i'm being treated at a wonderful hospital in houston uh md anderson um great doctor teams and you know it's just it's just it's it's just part of the thing that i'm in a day-to-day thing you go through.

But, you know, I keep looking forward. I mean, I'm still there. I want my, you know, I'm totally interested in what my kids are doing. Right. You know, what you're doing too. Yeah, yeah. You guys are partnering at the hip here. Yeah.

You know, it's important you two have a great dynamic. Yeah, absolutely. Which I think you do. It's wonderful to see it. Yeah, thank you. And I don't know. I think you're doing a good job, absolutely. Which I think you do, and it's wonderful to see it. Yeah, thank you. And I don't know. I think you're doing a good job, Dad. And you really do stress that, Dad, even when you first got the diagnosis, that we're very lucky.

And I think that's a hard thing to say when you're going through something like that, but it does put things in the right perspective. All right, before I just fucking sob forever. Buddy Tim Bush had some questions too. What is your greatest joy in your life? My kids. Oh, come on. Oh, it is.

I don't know. I mean, I don't think there's, there's not a moment as a parent until you wake up, you don't think about your kids. You know, how they're doing and want them to be successful i i've had you know i've had partners my whole life so i i i know the dynamic of two people like

yourself join joining up and that you know there's a lot of give and take but yeah partnerships are wonderful i mean i've had good experience in partnerships and you know checking your ego at the door you know just trying to you know if you guys are going in the same direction, the goals and things of that nature, it's wonderful, you know, and, you know, I, you know, thinking about, you know, because I, as a father, look at the dynamic you two and hope that, you know, want that to work out wonderful, you know. Yeah. You worry about, you know, things like frictional points.

People start growing in different ways, going in different directions and you know you thing and thinking about your kids it's you know it's most parents want to always think about their kids yeah well it seems like from hearing you talk about your experience in business that some of the greatest joys you've had have been with building a team and growing together with your team. Yeah, and bringing people along. Yeah, yeah. And how just, you know, in your career and business, it can be so much more enjoyable

when you're experiencing that with a partner. And we have Strider with us and Joe, and it's just been... I know you guys won't let me in on this. You're always welcome. Yeah, yeah. You know, as I get older,'m more i feel more mentoring you know yeah yeah you love to mentor you always have young you've had like a throughout my life you've had

like young guys in your life that you're kind of looking after yeah i still like being around youth i don't yeah it's fun tim wanted all to know what is your greatest disappointment probably that uh my probably my biggest disappointment is that your mother and i went kind of going in separate directions with your mother right you know that you know but you know we still have some people can't understand and we still have a tremendous bond and you know that that that didn't work out on the long run is probably my biggest disappointment. But I think we're both happy, you know, and I truly respect her. Yeah, I think it was for the best, honestly. I think you guys are both.

Well, you saw it from the inside out. What do you think? I mean, it was pretty chaotic growing up. I mean, there was a lot of love, and I always felt supported. And I always knew you guys supported each other but i think they're the the personalities were too big to to coexist in one one household yeah and uh it's wonderful it's wonderful but it's uh i think you're both happy and i think you both have more peace now yeah you see that i for sure see that yeah and i'm happy with like you know it was obviously really hard on mom yeah the split and she's a

little more volatile than you are in terms of how she feels her feelings but i'm so impressed with how she came through it yeah you know and she's really built a beautiful life for herself and uh yeah and then you guys both have great partners. Ken's awesome, and then Mom's boyfriend, Greg. Greg is super. He's a fucking good dude, so it's nice. A lot of people, too, wanted to know how you were able to... Oh, well, one, they want to know,

why did you always win at kick the can when we played at the ranch? That's what Bob and Linda want to know. That's just because you're a pure competitor. Yeah, I am. We played a wiffle ball one time. You immerse yourself in it and get into it. You can hide out for days. Sometimes I don't like to do, but if I'm going to get into it, I'm going to do it.

Yeah. And then we played wiffle ball one time, and my dad was like, I don't want to play wiffle ball. Who gives a fuck? And then smash cut two hours later, he's coming home. There's a 13 year old kid with a wiffle ball at home play, protecting like a lawn chair. And my dad dived straight through both of them, knocking the kid off and winning the game. Then he gets up, he goes, I don't like he acts like he didn't even know what happened. He's like, what happened? What happened? I'm like, you just destroyed a teenager. But you know, I love it.

All right. Let's answer some questions. Dad, you ready for this? Yeah. All right. Sup. Let me see. Difficult girl sitch.

Sup founding fathers of Stoke. I'm hoping to get some input from you two and hopefully stride daddy if possible on a recent relation with the superior female gender. I met this girl a couple months ago via mutual friends and things were great. We'd have PG and R-rated combos via text and see each other fairly often, which would always be a good time for both parties. Unfortunately, just before meeting this girl, I was laid off from my job and had a brief period of unemployment that started a couple weeks after meeting her. After the first few honeymoon weeks of freedom from the man, I started feeling fairly isolated and lonely.

As my roommates were all working for a majority of the day as well as my friends, this led to me persistently hitting up this girl, trying to plan our next meetup just to try and have some plans so I have something to look forward to and make time go by quicker. After the first week or so of things changed between us, our text convos weren't the same, and she pretty much stopped being the initiator altogether after a few failed attempts to plan something and talk like we used to i stopped reaching out altogether now she recently saw our mutual friend and shortly

after reached out saying she wasn't in the right space to see someone seriously it's a cliche but i still want to hang out and be friends q seinfeld yada yada yada by this point i'd done some self reflection and realized i was too overbearing persistent and was being selfishly inconsiderate of what she had going on probably gave off some unintentional vibes as to how serious i wanted to be as well i still like this girl and want us to be able to go back to having the type of relation we had in the beginning but i'm at a loss as to what to do i'm hoping y'all can provide some insight as to how to approach the stitch or give some personal examples of how you've submitted this summited this relationship everest what do you think dad why don't you take that one first

what do you think uh he's my dad's itching his head he's he's he's that's a long written uh of what what's going on with him and maybe i just naturally say move on yeah i i think he it's it's he's writing too much about a situation that's pretty simple right not not to tell you too much it needs to be sometimes feelings need to be simplified yeah yeah i think you know get to the real core one one issue or whatever court cord down and you know and and refocus it down to some more simple thing that because that sounds like a lot to communicate to another person yeah yeah i think maybe i'm wrong i think i think he didn't have much going on in his life and you need to you need to have a life of your own before you can bring someone else into it and i think uh i think dude you you

i think my dad's right i think you're overthinking it a little bit i think you take care of your stuff you know get hopefully you're back with a job and then you know you're doing some stuff after the job that makes you happy and then if you want to go out this girl you just reach out and say hey like i'd love to get coffee sometimes and then just you know don go out with this girl, you just reach out and say, hey, like, I'd love to get coffee sometimes. And then just, you know, don't freight it with too much expectations or pressure on her. And I think it'll work out in a way that's good for you. focus on himself and start improving his life start building up whatever he has going on so that he can give her some space you know let her digest her feelings you know sort of build up your own life and um i think in due time maybe you guys will come back together but i don't think i know that feeling of when you meet someone and you you have this like overbearing feeling of like oh i need to you know i need to lock it down or i need to and you just put overbearing feeling of like, oh, I need to lock it down.

And you just put too much effort into it and you scare them away. I would say just focus on yourself. Give her space. And maybe she'll come back. But don't think about it too much. Yeah. This question's kind of interesting. What up, dudes? You boys are killing it with the pod.

Able to effectively and efficiently maintain my stoke levels daily thanks to your crew. Please know that this is coming from a place of love, not from a place of hate. I love the pod, but I know you guys are all about self-improvement. I have a couple things I want to say that can really enhance the level of stoke I feel mid-episode. JT, man, stop saying you're going to cut what you're saying. I love the long-form conversation-type podcast with no cuts or edit. Just let the conversation take wings and soars.

And also, it's wicked you guys are all about helping bros writing in, but sometimes those huge, depressing questions people write in definitely bring down my stove. When I listen to like a three-minute email about how sad a guy is, or another email explaining every single detail of his broken relationship with his GF, I just start thinking about how messed up the world is. If you can maybe just sum up the details real quick for the listeners, so it's just not some guy rambling forever, then the fellow stoker can get his answer while everyone else doesn't have to hear his entire life story plus that leaves more time available

for the bros to chop it up you guys are fucking wicked looking forward to more episodes I thought that was well said yeah and it went to the first caller yeah yeah yeah no one wants to I think everyone you know it's all about building stoke.

And I agree that sometimes it's kind of hard to hear someone's life story for five minutes when it's... No one likes to be a bummer. But I think there's stoke in the pain. You know what I mean? I've always been like, if this is what it takes for these dudes to feel like maybe they don't have another outlet where they can say this stuff. Right.

Where they can really just exhaust their whole perspective on these things. They need to let it out. And I think letting it out, you empty that space, and that leaves space for the stoke to come in. Yeah. And better out than in. But I do agree. Sometimes I'm like, this could definitely be a little more succinct.

You've always been a caring person, JT. Oh, that's nice, Ted. Thank you. Varying degrees of caring. I think we all remember what a monster I could be, too. Okay. I mean, I got suspended for bullying like three times. You can say that bullshit to your audience.

Oh, yeah. And then to the thing about me editing, it's twofold. Sometimes it's for aesthetic purposes, like to make the podcast better because I can ramble. And it's mostly me who rambles. And then also, like, we try to be very personal. And sometimes you can be too personal. And you got to pull it back for yourself and for the people in your life. Yeah.

And I think there's a happy medium to what he was talking about. You know, I want the podcast to be an outlet for people to sort of find solace in whatever they have going on. But I do agree for the audience sometimes so it can be a bit much so we can summarize a bit more you know yeah but don't be afraid don't be afraid to sort of vent to us and uh tell us what's going on because that's why we're here for sure what up council please don't use my name my girlfriend listens to the pod two questions for the st Stoke Lords and relationship gurus. How do I get my GF to politely leave my house on Sunday afternoon?

Sunday is my day to recharge and veg while mentally preparing for the week and to catch up with my bros after spending a few consecutive days with the GF. I have found that my girlfriend is becoming more reluctant to leave and starts to demand more attention while I attempt to watch football with the bros. What can I do to nudge her in the right direction? And two, my girlfriend asked me to go down on her all the time. That's his spelling. Like on a daily basis. And that's fine. I don't mind it because I'm a lover and a partner, but here's the rub. My girlfriend doesn't like to give BJs. A BJ is a blowjob, dad. I'm talking 10 to one ratio. And every time I asked her one,

she reacts like she was just selected for jury duty. No stoke. And then when she gives one, it is so uninspired that I give up and recommend that we just have sex. Negative stoke. How would one go about this confrontation? How do I bring it up without getting in the doghouse? I think with the first part of the question, I would just be honest with her and tell her what's going on. Say, hey, sometimes I need some time to myself with my friends to to recharge i think that'd be better for me and for the relationship so get a bigger house good call get a bigger space yeah yeah that helps right

get an extra room and then uh dude it's tough i i i've I've dealt with that with some people I've dated. And it's never easy to tell someone that you need space, especially if they're super into you. But I think the thing to stress is that you'll be a better partner to her if you get that time and space. Yeah, I've had moments where I've needed space, but I haven't verbalized it. So then they react by coming on harder and trying to keep your attention. And it just makes it worse that I don't come out with honesty and just say, hey, I need space. Right. Smart.

It just makes it worse. And this is something I do. So I feel for you because looking back, I know there's tons of moments where I just could have been more honest and straightforward. So just tell her what's up. Yeah, I think, and familiarity breeds contempt. Like if you're around someone all the time. Whoa, whoa, whoa, guys.

You've got to be very careful how you say some of these things. Sometimes it can blow right up in your face. Good call. Good call. Okay. What do you, what do you do? Like sometimes in life, I think sometimes, you know, the white lies of things, like make up something like, Oh, you always tell me that.

Yeah. You know, it's one thing of being active and, you know, saying, yeah, Hey, I got to go meet Joe. He wants to go over some something about some project. And, you know, you end up at a bar and you're watching football on Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. My, my, my, my experience in that women can be it's it's all about timing

about how when you communicate something i had a girlfriend who was trying to get back together with me and and uh she was like i want to get back together and i was like you know i really don't want to right now because i'm getting like female attention for the first time and i really want to like just pursue that she's like you're such a douchebag and i was like i'm just being honest and i called my dad and told him that he goes you fucking dumbass he goes he literally puts the fun he goes ken listen to what a fucking idiot jt is yeah i sort of gave that advice without ever having done that in my life so this is a long one guys what up chad last question what up chad and jt and any supremely stoked guests?

I come to you for advice, like the fountains of knowledge that you are. I have some beef with one of my closest bros. A few months back, he went on a mountain walk, legit cardio with this chick that he has been really into for years, and someone all the squad know from college. She has firmly friendzoned him years ago, but he remains firmly interested. Anyways, at some

point during the walk, she proceeds to tell him that I have cheated on my fiancé, my soon-to-be wifey for lifey with one of her friends she explains to him that she texted her friend about me a while back and her friend dropped this bombshell my bro takes in this information but does not say anything to me for six weeks until the chick calls him to tell him her information was untrue it turns out her friend's phone number had changed and reassigned to some dude was pretending to be her and getting kicks out of creating beef by pretending to be this girl evil there's there's beef with this random guy and my dog's love interest but my real beef is with my dog he believed this for six weeks and didn't question its authenticity in any way he didn't bring it up to me even though we lived

in the same apartment and said that during those six weeks he thought i was a piece of shit he maintains i did nothing wrong because he didn't tell anyone but me he didn't have my back and took this information as gospel because the source was this chick. I did label him a Judas because he didn't back me up, and now the squad are a little wary of him. I sympathize with him because he likes this lady a lot, but he clung first in this situation. I don't know, man. I don't think your friend's a Judas at all. Yeah, he's being a little tough on him.

My dad lost interest. He had to check the phone. You got action over there? What's going on? Do you, do you hear what the sitch was? No. Okay.

So this guy's friend heard that he cheated on his girlfriend, his buddy cheated on his girlfriend, and he didn't bring it up to the friend that he heard he had cheated on his girlfriend. And for that, he thinks he's a Judas, but that's not Judas-y to me. It's not juicy Judas.

You still don't know what's happening to you. Yeah, I do. A little bit. I mean, I don't think your friend did anything that wrong. He probably just didn't want to add gasoline to the fire. Yeah, I think he was just trying to keep the peace. Yeah. I think you're being hard on him. Yeah, I don't think calling him out especially

to the whole squad and calling him a judas is the right move yeah you're being the judas by trashing them to everybody yeah yeah um all right guys that's it for questions chad who is your beef of the week uh my beef of the week is with no go zones with scooters um mr parr have you dabbled have you tried to scooter out yet a bird scooter no i haven't i haven't there you should do it you'd like you like going fast on stuff they're now in bozeman now are they really yeah that'd be fun i um yeah so in la they have no go zones you know, you can get a scooter on Melrose, and oftentimes they'll take it up to Fountain. But they don't...

When you take the scooter into the no-go zone, it doesn't turn off or anything. So you go into the no-go zone, and you get to your destination, and you go to turn it off, and suddenly the app is like, oh, you can't turn it off here, or you'll get a huge charge. And now you have to go back five more blocks to you can't turn it off here or you'll get a huge charge and now you have

to go back five more blocks to where you can turn it off and you're like well either turn off the scooter or just let it you know i guess my beef is with the city as well for establishing these no-go zones you know just let us roam free you're infringing on my freedom to scoot and uh i don't appreciate it and i think it's a huge thorn in my side that i have to be wary of these no-go zones you know because oftentimes the no-go zone is in my apartment so they let skateboarders do it too go into those zones too yeah yeah but these are different because it's like privately owned it's just the scooter companies they're not yeah because they're i think they're because they're earning money and yeah and they're no one owns them except yeah yeah so basically you can't turn off the scooter and you keep getting charged money and you have to take it back to

but it's they can't turn off the scooter because that particular thing's been mapped in an app right it says that you can't park there right but it's like a tetris map it looks like tetris like there's like weird it's not very clear yeah they should have something locked into where if you go into the no-go zone the scooter turns off so you're well aware of it yeah or go too far or some kind of like alarm goes off that's like that's coming. My beef of the week is with the Steelers. I inherited my dad's Steeler fandom. In some ways, I think I even elevated your fandom.

And they made a terrible decision in the front office to sell their first, to trade their first round pick for a defensive back. Minka Fitzpatrick. He's got good pedigree coming out of Alabama and I haven't watched him play much, but everyone says he's a beast. But listen, we got the potential to go 3-13 this year. We could be in the race for Tua, also from Alabama. And I think that's worth more than having a good DB, although we've always struggled in that department.

So I just don't know what they were thinking. We got no prospects for this season. And now you've given away the hope we had for a brighter future. And I just don't like the decision. It makes me fucking sad, and I wish we just would have held on to that pick because we need a fucking QB because I'm sick and tired of Ben Roethlisberger.

I think he's a drama queen. He falls apart on the road. He's done some great work in the past, but it's all colored with bad decisions he made off the field, and I'm ready to move on. His big fucking Alec Baldwin head is driving me nuts. And we're going to hold on to him for the next couple of years. We lost Antonio Brown to his own narcissism and we lost Le'Veon Bell to,

I don't know what the hell. And we never even got a title out of all those dudes. And I'm just like, let's just start fresh with the number one pick in two years, I guess. Dad, who's your beef of the week number one pick in two years, I guess. Dad, who's your Beef of the Week? Right now it's health insurance companies. I'm dealing with my insurance company after a year and a half of being treated by my doctors in Houston.

I can't go to those doctors anymore. I have to be with a doctor within California or whatever. But it's just a pain in the ass. And all this noise about the health care system. But I'm facing it really. And so many other people are facing this crap. And it's just sad to see that we're a country that is wealthy and do good as we are. Can't deal with some some of this and it's

you know big business at its best worst right i'm sorry you're going through that though oh it's you know i'm dealing with it we'll hopefully get some headway but i i you know we're fortunate we have more resources to deal with this and you just want to you know people that don't know what they have to deal with it's you know it's sad yeah it sucks chad who is your babe of the week uh my babe of the week are these two dogs penny and maple so i went to my girlfriend's i was staying at my girlfriend's sister's house in fayetteville arkansas for a wedding over the past weekend they had two dogs penny and maple and these two dogs had so much personality and uh i love penny was hilarious you know those dogs that they can just give you looks where that you know exactly what they're

thinking yeah uh it was hilarious what were they thinking it's just like penny would give you this look where you'd stop petting her and she'd give you, like, so much personality in her face. She'd, like, look at you. She'd be like, are you really going to stop fucking petting me right now? And then Maple just had this rapid-fire tail. That was the funniest thing I've ever seen. Like, this just, it was a small tail, but there's so much muscle in it that it would just, like, make the most noise you've ever heard.

I just thought they were babes for how much personality they have. I love dogs. I love being around dogs, so I just wanted to give them props. Love that, dude. Yeah. Man's best friend. Besides his best friend. Dad.

Oh, I'll go first. My Babe of the Week is the show Succession. It had its series finale last night on HBO. And you know, I've been playing kind of like at a distance with it. Like I watch it every week, but all my friends on our fantasy football thread are like, it's the best show ever. I'm like, it's pretty good. I think Chernobyl's better.

But then after the finale last night, it's the best show on TV. It really is. I mean, the dialogue does get a little old with its like hyper velocity and like combination of being like erudite and crude, where it's like, I'm about to octopus tentacle your pussy until it comes out your fucking throat, and then you bleed out, you fucking worthless peon. You're like, all right, yeah, everyone talks tough. And having you as someone I looked at who was successful in business,

no one in the show is ever good at business. They just talk shit the whole time. I'm like, isn't there ever a part they like make good deals or something like that but i get that it's not inherently dramatic to watch that but i would like some of that realism uh but the show's the best because the just the shakespearean family drama is just played up perfectly and it breaks your heart and then it gets you pumped up and it does it all and i fucking love the show way to go succession daddy my baby. Daddy. My baby, the wig? Yeah.

I have to say Kent, my girlfriend. I mean, she's here in California with me this weekend, too. Like, she travels with me everywhere. And a lot of what in the last year or so I've been dealing with my illness and being right there and being a front runner for a lot of this stuff. And she's just a trooper. And I'm glad I've met her in my life. She's wonderful.

Yeah. Love you, Kent. Chad, who is your legend of the week? My legend of the week is Fayetteville, Arkansas. Have you ever been there? Yeah, I have. It's a wonderful town. Have you actually been there?

Yeah, I have. Because my dad's famous for... I have been there. He doesn't like not having been somewhere yeah go to bentonville oh bentonville right i went to barcelona my dad had never been there i heard him on the phone with someone he goes jt's going to barcelona they're like have you been there he's like yeah i've been there a bunch uh yeah i love this town it's very outdoorsy a lot more outdoorsy than I anticipated lots of cool restaurant shops and just a good

overall vibe it actually had kind of like New England vibes with the architecture and sort of the design of all the buildings and the campus

but with that sort of you have family there right? in New England? New Orleans yeah in Alabama or New Orleans my brother's in New Orleans and then my brother's in New York.

Right, okay. They're spread all over, so it's nice. I get to go to all these choice locations, so it's cool. I've got a good tour of the country. But, yeah, it was just cool. And sometimes I apologize in the pod i've sort of written off certain states of like yeah it's like living in iowa or something and uh i apologize to the people who live there you know because uh i haven't been to iowa yet

but arkansas was uh was wonderful so you know don't don't knock it till you try it oh that's lovely man yeah yeah i like that um my legend of the week is all my dad's buddies you know the people who helped write in bob uh troy um you know i didn't talk to him but pedro tim arthur freddy uh jimmy t you know you you really did have just a great group of friends. And they were like fathers to me, too. And sometimes you would even, when I'd be acting like an asshole on a vacation, they would ask for permission to pull me aside and rip into me.

Pedro did that good. Yeah, and you would give it to them. You know, the message was probably better received coming from someone outside the nuclear family. And it was nice having so many people look after me and uh and i'm glad you just taught me that friendships matter so much and you have really good friendships so it's nice now what was i gonna say even though you fuck with all of them relentlessly um and vice versa yeah jimmy t like was always dating different people my dad used to have i've said this on different people and my dad used to have, I've said this on the pod before,

my dad used to go, when I was a little kid, he'd go, JT, go up to Jimmy T and ask him why he's a woman's worst nightmare in front of, like, his new girlfriend.

And my dad would just be chewing his sunglasses watching from a distance. Like I said, he'd just crack up and then he'd get kind of nervous. He'd go, oh, what did I do?

Yeah. You love the action. Yeah. Yeah. Like, when we'd go to big dinners, there'd be like two single people in their 20s, and my dad would just look at them and be like, when are you two going to get together? You love the...

Creating the chaos. Yeah. Yeah. What would you think when one of your friends would lay into JT? Would you be like, oh, he's getting it? Or would you get kind of defensive? As a parent, you know, in some of these instances, I can remember pretty well. But when a really close friend of yours has to lay into your kid,

as a father, you're going, hey, I'm not a great parent. I'm not a great parent. Right. You put it on yourself that if he's acting some way that a parent has to say that but they were so few you know well it's hard when they just all they saw was me running around butt naked or body slamming somebody or you know jg uh he used to be be picked up at school and and uh and uh he used to love to hang his butt out at the teachers. He went around the half circle.

Yeah, what did you think of his nudist ways? It's you and mom's fault with all the fucking nude paintings and sculptures. Not really your fault. It's my fault. Get a life. Yeah, you know, GT, don't you have better things to do than run around with your dick out? It's a good point.

It's a good point. Made me think. All right. Dad, who is your legend of the week? This legend of the week? Yep. Legend of the week. Legend of the week.

Just some guy you admire or a lady you admire. Oh, somebody I admire as a person? Yeah. I wish, you know, when the politics is going on right now, I wish Michael Bloomberg would jump in. I admire that guy. Yeah. You know, he's a self-made guy. He's made a lot of money in his life. He was mayor of New York. You know, I think he's a good, you know, balancing. He's too old now, though.

I just, you know. Well, they're all old, I guess. Look at Bernie and look at Donald Trump. Yeah. You know, was a major of a very diversified city. And, you know, I think he's a good guy. I like him because he's big on health. He boosted the bike lanes.

And then he took out, like, trans fats. Took Coca-Cola out of the. Yeah. He made you this time-Cola out of it. Yeah. He made you miss how many calories are in shit. All right, Chad, what is your quote of the week? All right, my quote of the week comes from Seinfeld. This is George Costanza in the episode The Summer of George. Are you a Seinfeld watcher?

Oh, yeah. Love that show. My favorite. I love it. Yeah. The more I watch it, the more I even love it more. Dude, same here. So I was at this wedding this weekend.

There was a huge block of cheese. It was like this big. And it reminded me of this quote from George where in the Summer of George episode where he's found his freedom, where he's getting paid basically to not work. And then this gets threatened. He's like, I was living the dream. I was eating a block of cheese the size of a car battery. And then Jerry's like, I love how you associate

some sort of block of cheese with some sort of bachelor utopia. That's a good rejoinder. Yeah. So that's my quote. My quote of the week is from Rudyard Kipling. I'm actually going to read an entire poem here, guys, so bear with me. Rudyard Kipling wrote this poem for his son to teach him what it meant to be a man,

and I think it's a good encapsulation of that. It reminds me of my dad. Although Rudyard Kipling was somewhat of a nationalist, and he put too much pressure on his boy to join the military, even though he wasn't physically fit, and his kid ended up dying over there. So go easy, guys. That did not remind me of you, though, dad. If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs

And blaming it on you If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you But make allowance for their doubting too If you can wait and not be tired by waiting Or being lied about don't deal in lies Or being hated don't give way to hating And yet don't look too good nor talk too wise If you can dream and not make dreams your master

If you can think and not make thoughts your aim If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters just the same, if you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, or watch the things you gave your life to broken and stoop up and build them up with worn-out tools, if you can make one heap of all your winnings

and risk it in one turn of pitch and toss and lose and start again at your beginnings and never breathe a word about your loss. If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew. To serve you long after they are gone. And so hold on when there is nothing in you. Except the will which says to them hold on. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue.

Or walk with kings nor lose the common touch. If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you. If all men count with you but none too much. If you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run, yours is the earth and everything that's in it. And which is more, you'll be a man, my son. It's a good poem. Sorry, I know it's hard to pay attention when someone gets into it.

Daddy-O, do you have a quote of the week? No, I don't. Thanks for having me. Yeah, did you like it? Yeah, I did. That having me. Yeah, how'd you, did you like it? Yeah, I did. That was fun. Yeah, it was good talking to you, Dad. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll have you back. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Chad, thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you so much for listening. Mr. Parr, thank you for coming in.

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