Going West: True Crime - Fort Worth Missing Trio // 459

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

In December of 1974, just two days before Christmas, three girls, ages 17, 14, and 9, disappeared while shopping at a mall in Fort Worth, Texas. 50 years into the investigation, thousands of leads hav...e been followed up on, and hundreds of people have been interviewed, but none of the girls have ever been found. What happened to them, and does the person responsible for their disappearance have more victims? This is the story of the Fort Worth Missing Trio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What is going on true crime fans? I'm your host T and I'm your host Daphne and you're listening to going west Hello, everybody. Hope you're doing well big shout to Shelly, Penny and Jessica for recommending today's case. This one is from the 70s. Some of you might be familiar with this one. It's a little bit more well known, but I didn't, I didn't, I feel like a lot of those more well known cases somehow are the ones that I never know about or at least never really know the details to. And this is one of them.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Yeah. One of the most interesting aspects of this case is that there is a letter, a letter. There is a letter, a letter that was written to one of the people involved in this case. And speaking of letters. Speaking of letters, I feel like a good letter in a case is so fascinating.
Starting point is 00:01:02 And that's why we both found our most recent bonus episode so, so interesting because it is called The Leads Letterman and it's about this, I guess you can call him a serial killer and extortionist who wrote letters to the police taunting them while holding girls hostage separately. It is such a crazy story. So if you're looking for more content after this episode ends, head on over to patreon.com slash going west podcast or join on Apple podcasts for that and over 120 other episodes. I want to say that that guy is probably like the English version of the Zodiac in some ways. Yes, I
Starting point is 00:01:40 was thinking the same thing for sure. It has less murder but it is way lesser known as well. So check it out. Thank you guys for tuning into this episode. And without further ado, let's get into it. All right, guys, this is episode 459 of Going West. So let's get into it. I'm gonna be a good boy, I'm gonna be a good boy In December of 1974, just two days before Christmas, three, ages 17, 14, and 9, disappeared while shopping at a mall in Fort Worth, Texas.
Starting point is 00:02:52 50 years into the investigation, thousands of leads have been followed up on, and hundreds of people have been interviewed. But none of the girls have ever been found, even after a suspicious letter was sent to one of the girls have ever been found, even after a suspicious letter was sent to one of the girls' families. So what happened to them, and does the person responsible for their disappearance have more victims?
Starting point is 00:03:20 These are the stories of Mary Rachel Arnold, Lisa Renee Wilson, and Julie Ann Mosley, also known as the Missing Fort Worth Trio. Mary Rachel Arnold, who went by her middle name Rachel, that's what we're going to call her today, was born on November 15, 1957 in Fort Worth, Texas to parents Francis and Raymond. She joined older sister Deborah and they were later joined by a little brother named Rusty. Rusty remembered fondly, quote, she was a wonderful girl, charming personality, all the guys loved her. She taught me how to play guitar.
Starting point is 00:04:20 At the time of her disappearance in December of 1974, Rachel, who was just 17 and only a junior in high school, was newly married. And I know at this time in 1974, Texas law stated that you couldn't marry until the age of 21 actually. But with parental consent, girls could marry at 16 and men at 19, which is so strange because anybody can marry now without parental consent at 18. I feel like people got married younger there. I don't know. So that kind of surprises me that the law is like flipped. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:54 It's kind of a weird thing that yeah, that you can get married when you're 16, as long as your parents say that it's cool. Yeah, exactly. Which apparently they did. But anyway, so Rachel was married and she and her new husband, Thomas or Tommy Trilizza, had tied the knot six months earlier when she was 16. Tommy was 22 and had a two-year-old son named Sean from a previous relationship at this time so he already had a divorce under his belt having married his first wife in 1971 so three years earlier
Starting point is 00:05:33 But after a few short years they divorced and then Tommy began dating Rachel's sister Deborah Arnold so after this whirlwind courtship between Tommy and Deborah They became engaged but broken off before they made it down the aisle. And then almost immediately after his relationship ended with Debra, he started dating and then quickly married her sister Rachel and the two moved in together. Wow, that is definitely a whirlwind. Tommy is basically going after everybody here. Little, little awkward. But apparently it was not, which I'll get into shortly or we will get into shortly. But anyway Although she was a young bride
Starting point is 00:06:07 She was determined to finish high school and Tommy recalled her aspirations of attending college as well So everything was going great for her She was continuing her education and she had recently gushed to a friend about how happy she was settling into her new married life gushed to a friend about how happy she was settling into her new married life. Naturally, Rachel and Tommy were living together at that point, having moved into a house on Minot Avenue while Rachel continued her attendance at nearby Southwest High School. And one possible justification for Rachel getting married so young is that she was victim of an unstable home life purported by her father Raymond at the time of Rachel's disappearance Deborah had also moved out and this may have been why
Starting point is 00:06:56 But at the time Raymond was battling stage 4 cancer and he died just six months after Rachel disappeared So during this episode we're gonna talk about the disappearance of three different girls. Uh, and the second one we're going to talk about here is Lisa Renee Wilson, who went by Renee, and she was born on August 29th, 1960 to Judy and Richard Wilson. At the age of 14, Lisa had her first boyfriend, and she was really looking forward to their first Christmas together. She was dating her 15-year-old neighbor, Terry Mosley, and on the day that the girls vanished,
Starting point is 00:07:33 she had received an exciting present from him in the form of a promise ring. So they did have plans to stay together and eventually get married when they were of age. Terry Mosley's family lived on the same street as Renee's grandmother and his family knew Renee pretty well. Terry's little sister Julie Ann Mosley was born on August 5th 1965 to parents Rayann and JW and Julie is gonna be the third girl that we're gonna be talking about that disappeared. Now on the morning of Monday December 23rd 1974, 14 year old Renee was at her grandmother's house when 17 year old Rachel Trulizza, her friend, decided to head to the mall to complete some last-minute Christmas shopping and pick up some gifts for her
Starting point is 00:08:18 stepson. Remember her husband Tommy does have a two-year-old son and this is because Rachel learned that her stepson would be joining them for Christmas that year, and she just really wanted to make it extra special for him. And after 14-year-old Renee accepted her boyfriend Terry's promise ring, she wanted to pick up a few gifts of her own, and then she had plans to attend a Christmas party with Terry that evening. She told Rachel that if they could plan on being home by 4 p.m. so that she could get ready, she would come along She also asked her boyfriend's little sister Julie who was nine years old and at home and bored while her mother was working if
Starting point is 00:08:53 She wanted to come along too Now initially when Julie begged her mom for permission Rayann said no she just didn't think that this was a good idea I mean at just nine years old she was kind of wary of letting her daughter head out for the day with two teenagers, which is pretty understandable. She claimed that she knew Renee, of course, her son's girlfriend, but that she had never met Rachel and would kind of prefer that her daughter stay home. But Julie pleaded with her mom to let her go, and Rayann eventually gave in. She remembered later, quote, I knew Renee and her family, so I finally decided the girls would be able to watch over Julie, and I let her go. Rachel asked her sister, Deborah, if she wanted to come too, but Rachel,
Starting point is 00:09:37 Deborah, and Tommy had stayed up in the wee hours of the morning playing cards, and Deborah just kind of wanted to stay home and keep sleeping. So yeah, again, it is clear that there was no bad blood or like awkwardness between the three of them despite Debra and Tommy having dated and gotten engaged. And this proves especially true because at this time, 19-year-old Debra was staying with Rachel and Tommy since she had just broken up with her boyfriend. The girls invited Renee's boyfriend Terry as well, but he had plans with a friend, so Renee said that she would see him later for the Christmas party.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And I know this is a lot of names that were thrown around a lot of connections, but to clear it up again, going shopping that day was 17 year old Rachel, her 14 year old friend Renee and Renee's boyfriend's nine year old sister, Julie. So Rachel headed out from her home on Minot Street to where the girls were waiting on Gordon Street. And obviously this is all in the Fort Worth area, but they first headed to an army surplus store where Renee had a pair of pants on layaway. Then they drove to the Seminary South Shopping Center, which is now the Le Grand Plaza de
Starting point is 00:10:50 Fort Worth. They arrived at the mall and parked Rachel's car around noon, heading inside the mall to shop for a couple of hours. You know, Rachel and Renee are having fun shopping and spending time together while getting these errands done. And of course, Julie is not buying anything, but I think when you're that age, just going to the mall or going out
Starting point is 00:11:10 or doing something with her friends seems so exciting. Yeah, of course, and they're older girls too. So Julie is just like hyped that she gets to hang out with the teenage girls, the older girls, and just go shopping for the day. Absolutely, but by 5 5 30 p.m. that day, the girls still hadn't arrived back home, which was a surprise to all of their families
Starting point is 00:11:31 who had been expecting them home over an hour earlier. Remember, Renee had even told Rachel that she could only come if they would be home by 4 p.m. because she had that Christmas party. And since they were minors, their families headed to the mall to search for them very quickly. because she had that Christmas party. And since they were minors, their families headed to the mall to search for them very quickly. There they came upon Rachel's car, a 1972 Oldsmobile 98,
Starting point is 00:11:53 still parked in the upper parking lot of Sears. Now her car was locked, with Rachel's purchase still inside, remember from the Army Surplus store, but the girls were nowhere in sight. The families then headed inside the mall mall searching it from top to bottom, as well as calling friends of the girls and driving up the streets, scanning for them on foot. But when the searches didn't turn up a single clue, all three girls were reported missing.
Starting point is 00:12:22 The families even stayed with Rachel's car all night, actually, just in hopes that maybe something happened and they could still return to their car, but they never did. Now, several people at the mall that day remembered seeing them, specifically Renee, because she was wearing a distinctive sweatshirt with the words, Sweet Honesty printed on the front. However, there is some disagreement on the color of the sweatshirt. So, some people believe that it was either a white crewneck sweatshirt with green letters, or possibly a pale yellow t-shirt with green letters. So, pretty similar descriptions, but regardless of the coloring,
Starting point is 00:12:58 the phrase was very distinctive and memorable. So, it did stand out to some of these witnesses. But still, after mobilizing officers to the mall and Rachel's abandoned car, both investigators and the families of the girls were at a loss. It was as if they had just vanished inside that mall. But then, the next day, which was Christmas Eve 1974, Rachel's husband Tommy opened up his mail and he found a letter addressed to him supposedly written by his new wife. The letter read quote, I know I'm going to catch it but we just had to get away. We're going to Houston. See you in about a week. The car is in the Sears upper lot.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Love, Rachel." But she had actually signed her name Ray-Chee and scribbled a cursive L to extend over the E. The letter was written in pen and the paper was folded due to being too wide for the envelope, which was addressed in pencil. The letter was addressed to Thomas A. Trilizza, which he was instantly suspicious of because Rachel usually referred to him as Tommy's. She would have never said Thomas A. Trilizza. So, puzzled by this, Tommy said, quote, the letter looks like Rachel's handwriting, but it sounds like she was forced to write it. He added, quote, I'm on the verge of a
Starting point is 00:14:24 nervous breakdown myself. And the whole I know I'm going to write it. He added, quote, I'm on the verge of a nervous breakdown myself. And the whole I know I'm going to catch it just means like she knows she's or she knows she's going to get in trouble for leaving. But yeah, so out of character makes no sense. And to say, but we just had to get away. Actually that is the last thing that any of them wanted to do. Rachel was so looking forward to spending Christmas with her stepson for the first time and you know making it special for him like Heath said.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Renee was excited for that holiday party that night that she had been planning on attending with her boyfriend. And then Julie is just a little girl who was barely allowed to go to the mall, let alone be swept away on a trip four hours southeast to Houston. Yeah, and I think part of the thing that I think the killer or possibly the person that wrote this letter or forced Rachel to write this letter was kind of trying to like divert the situation by saying, hey, like, I know I'm going to be in trouble for leaving. They have to kind of play it up and make it and make it sound like it's real, you know
Starting point is 00:15:26 I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but we just had to get away It's like no like nobody believes that I don't know why the perpetrator would think that anybody would be stupid enough to believe that But also why wouldn't they take the car? Why would you abandon the car? Why wouldn't you take the car to Houston? Why right that's literally like did you take a fucking taxi? Or like a bus or whatever, like, or a train? Why would you not take your car that is your car sitting in the parking lot and then say, by the way, my car's at Sears? Well, this is why...
Starting point is 00:15:57 You wouldn't. Yeah, exactly. And this is why I don't understand why the perpetrator is doing this. Because it's just like, he should know that they're going to find Rachel's car like duh. Well then to point it out though in the letter would I think make it more believable that she's like hey I left my car here like we'll see you in a week. I mean it's pretty smart to do this because it makes it look like this happened willingly but you know. Sure but I just think anybody with half a brain would realize that
Starting point is 00:16:31 You know two teenage girls and a nine-year-old are not going to just take off four hours to Houston I mean I agree and this is what the family thought unfortunately. It's not what the police thought originally, which is why it's so frustrating we're gonna get into that in a minute, but let's talk a little bit more about the letter because Rachel's name was written in the upper left-hand corner but there was no return address. Now the postmarked zip code in the stamp was blurry unfortunately. It did look like 76083. Now Tommy believed it was possible that someone could have scribbled in the last two digits after stamping it. Also, the three looked like it may have been backwards, meaning that the actual zip code could have been 76038, which was Eliasville, Texas, a ghost town
Starting point is 00:17:16 nearly two hours northwest of where the girls disappeared from. But if both numbers were actually eights, then it was coming from Weatherford, Texas, which is only about 30 minutes west of Fort Worth. But if it was in fact 76083, that would have been the zip code for Throckmorton, Texas, a town of just 700 people that is even farther northwest than Eliasville, about 2 hours and 15 minutes away from Fort Worth. And this is no longer an active zip code by the way. So all of
Starting point is 00:17:51 these options are just bizarre, especially since none of them were on the way to Houston, but actually in the opposite direction of Houston. Like I said, all going west, going west or going west or northwest instead of southeast. So that's a pretty big difference. And then again, just noting that they didn't have Rachel's car. Why would they be traveling in this direction, but pointing police to or pointing the family, sorry, and probably police to Houston. It just feels like a ruse well this kind of makes us wonder why the perpetrator was there at the
Starting point is 00:18:29 mall that day was it you know was it premeditated like he had been watching Rachel or Renee or something before was it a crime of opportunity was he just in the area was he just at the mall and saw an opportunity to take three girls? Like... Well, it seems like some- somebody did do something because, you know, Tommy, again, he did feel like Rachel wrote the letter herself, but that she was forced. Whereas Rachel's family didn't even believe that she wrote the letter at all. So they are all thinking that somebody did abduct them from the mall and that they're being held against their will.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Well, I guess the reason why I'm asking this is because we're looking at those other two zip codes that are further away, like further out, and then there's one that's like about 30 minutes away that's, you know, fairly close. So if that person, if the perpetrator had, you know, prior knowledge of this mall and had gone to this mall times before, I think that would make a lot more sense than just driving two and a half hours to go to some random mall that you've never been to to abduct three girls. You're saying that they could be local and this could be their zip code? Right, yes. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:19:39 This is what I'm thinking. Yeah, I mean it's definitely possible. It makes a lot of sense, but as we were saying a minute ago as well Unfortunately, you know, you're like anybody with half a brain the investigation was was kind of cursed with a slow start because of this letter because police were kind of assuming that the girls had left of their own volition which I Believe was certainly the goal of their believed captor. Oh, absolutely which I believe was certainly the goal of their believed captor. Oh, absolutely. Well, handwriting analysis over the years has proven to be inconclusive,
Starting point is 00:20:09 but one source claimed that she matched Tommy's handwriting with the letter that was supposed to be Rachel's. So that's kind of weird. We're going to talk about Tommy a little bit more in a bit, but just kind of remember that, you know? So as the police commenced their investigation, not entirely unconvinced that the girls did not elect to go missing, they heard an account of an older woman who claimed that she had seen a young
Starting point is 00:20:36 girl being pushed into a truck by a man and believe she saw a man and two girls inside the yellow truck already. This would make two men and three girls. The woman had actually been so alarmed that she told a retail employee in one of the department stores inside the mall about this interaction. But unfortunately, Fort Worth police were never able to locate this woman
Starting point is 00:21:01 to ask for her firsthand account to get more details of what she saw. Yeah, like she was just alarmed. She walked into a department store and was like, hey, I think I saw like some girls being abducted. And then she left before police got there and they could just never find her again. Yeah. So the employee told police, oh, this woman said this to me and then they never found her. She never came forward. She might not even know about this case to this day, which is crazy because she could hold some very valuable information yeah I think that's kind of the shittiest
Starting point is 00:21:31 part of this situation is that you know really all the department store employee could really relay to the police was hey this is just what this woman said I have no idea yeah and if she's even properly remembering it, you know? Right, yeah. Well, on Friday, December 27th, 1974, a reward fund was established by a family friend of Renee's who offered her name only as Mrs. Kennedy. Though investigators were considering the possibility that the girls had left on their own volition, which is dumb, she discounted this from the jump.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Mrs. Kennedy explained, quote, "' if those girls were going to run off I believe they wouldn't take that little nine-year-old girl with them. I may be wrong, but in my heart I believe something has happened to them. Yeah, this isn't just two young gals who want to see the world They have a nine-year-old with them, one of the girl's boyfriend's little sisters. They wouldn't take her with them. Yeah, it's just so not believable. Well, the next day, which was Saturday, December 28th, 1974, Renee's mom, Judy, released an open letter that read that they, quote, do not believe that you have voluntarily run
Starting point is 00:22:41 away, but if you have, we beg you to come home immediately or telephone so that someone can come after you. We're all behind you 100%, and there is nothing that we will not do for you. A special plea is made to any unknown person for these girls' release, if they're being held against their will, so that they may be reunited with their loved ones." In the weeks following the disappearance, the families passed out tens of thousands of flyers, and community efforts generated hundreds of tips. But still, there was no sign of them,
Starting point is 00:23:15 nor any indication of what had happened after they parked Rachel's car that day. Then, six weeks after their disappearances, a call came in to Julie's mom, Rae-Ann, from a caller who claimed to be nine-year-old Julie. And this is kind of crazy, because you would assume that this mother would know what her daughter sounds like, right? Well around 11pm that night, the phone rang and a voice on the other end supposedly said, Mama. When Rae-Ann asked who the caller was, she responded that she was Julie.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And even Rae-Ann felt confident that she spoke to her daughter that night, saying, quote, I'd be willing to swear it was her. And this was never confirmed, and the conversation didn't continue so that she could glean more information. Well, months passed, and the investigation stalled, to the anguish of the families as well as the community, who was terrorized by suspicions of a serial killer that was stalking the area. After about two years, Tommy petitioned for a divorce and moved away from Fort Worth, betrothed to another woman. He also withdrew the reward money that he initially offered.
Starting point is 00:24:26 And strangely, he moved to Throckmorton, Texas, one of the possible origin points for the mysterious letter supposedly written by Rachel. Now, although some have looked at Tommy sideways, police weren't putting weight into his involvement and instead, they investigated a suspicious man who had interviewed Rachel for a job in the weeks before she went missing. According to multiple other women who applied to work at the store that he operated, he called and harassed them, making all of them feel uncomfortable in the aftermath of their introduction. However, he was never proven to be connected to Rachel's disappearance, and it's unknown if Rachel even received any threatening phone calls from him because nobody reported hearing about such. so the year after the girls vanished, the frustrated families just fed up with waiting for answers from the authorities, pooled their resources and consulted a private detective.
Starting point is 00:25:51 They hired a guy named John Swaim, who was very outspoken about the case and quite public about his search efforts. But John was a bit of a loose cannon, to put it lightly, But John was a bit of a loose cannon, to put it lightly, plying police for previous undisclosed tips and information, and speaking candidly again about his search efforts, but with his clients and the media. One tribute to his life read that he, quote, drank heavily, dressed smartly, and some say he could talk himself into the arms of a woman as easily as he could get past doors others were unable to enter. He kind of sounds like that typical suave 1970s detective like Starsky and Hutch or
Starting point is 00:26:34 something. Yeah, I mean, but it's like he's people don't have really nice things to say about him. Like it doesn't sound like this is a compliment. No, no, no, definitely not compliments here. Well it gets a little worse, though. But law enforcement started to kind of actually fear that his approach to the case would hinder their investigation.
Starting point is 00:26:52 And John was very much already at odds with them when, after receiving a ticket for public intoxication, John spent months sending photographs to the Fort Worth police of their vehicles parked illegally and basically insisting that they be ticketed as well. Like he was very, um... That's hella petty. Yeah, petty, bitter guy.
Starting point is 00:27:14 One police captain said with distaste, quote, I did not approve of his ethics, morals, or his conduct, because they were in direct conflict with mine. I had no respect for him or the manner in which he conducted his business." But despite their reservations, John was generating some tips. Well, he claimed to have a credible tip from Port LaVaca, Texas, which is over five hours south of Fort Worth on the Gulf of Mexico. John had reason to believe the girls had been dumped in a bayou, so he spearheaded a search
Starting point is 00:27:50 of the area, but nothing was found. John also said that an unidentified man had been calling him and attempting to blackmail him for money in exchange for the locations of these missing girls. But this tip didn't lead anywhere either. Then in 1979, after 4 years on the case, John Swain took his own life. After a disturbance at his apartment building, he was found by police semi-conscious with a bottle of Quaaludes and a bottle of whiskey. So they confiscated the pills and left. They didn't think that he was going to continue drinking or taking pills, but hours later when his ex-wife and siblings
Starting point is 00:28:32 found that he wasn't answering the door, police were summoned yet again and this time John was found deceased inside with more pills and whiskey by him. One former employee of his remarked, quote, It only amazed me he lived as long as he did. He had a lot of enemies. A Fort Worth attorney who crossed professional paths with John added, quote, You'd have to be crazy to trust Swain.
Starting point is 00:28:58 He burned everyone he came into contact with. And sadly, these preconceived notions turned out to be correct when John took all of his findings with him when he died. As ordered by his estate, all documents corresponding to his investigations were to be destroyed after his death. So if he did have any key evidence here, neither the police nor the families would ever be privy to it. Which, I guess he has the right to decide to do that, but it kind of feels cruel, you know, like you're working for these families, you're trying to help them, why would you want all of this destroyed after your death instead of just giving that information quietly
Starting point is 00:29:39 to the family or to the police so they can pick up where you left off? Yeah, I really, really don't understand the decision here, because like you're saying, if John was onto something, if there was anything, you know, all of that is now gone and no one will ever know. Well, in the spring of 1976, the remains of two young girls were discovered in the swampland of Brazoria County, which is just south of Houston, in an area which is now infamously known as the Texas Killing Fields, because the remains of over 30 women and girls have been recovered from this vicinity. This is also kind of a
Starting point is 00:30:17 well-known story that I don't know very much about, but maybe we'll cover it sometime. If you guys want to hear it, let us know. I think we have talked about it like kind of briefly in an episode here and there, but we haven't, like, dove deep into the story. Exactly, but, like, definitely willing to. So, in 1981, the remains of these particular bodies were finally proven to be those
Starting point is 00:30:39 of 12-year-old Brooks Bracewell and 14-year-old Georgia Gere. Now though these murders were never officially solved, they are believed to be two of many victims of depraved serial killer Edward Harold Bell who confessed to the murders of the girls while serving a prison sentence, but like many guys do, he later recanted this. So we're not sure which is true if he did it or not, but at the very least, those two bodies that they found were not bodies
Starting point is 00:31:10 in relation to the Fort Worth missing trio. But the same year that Brooks and Georgia were identified, so seven years after Rachel, Renee, and Julie disappeared, another witness came forward to say that he believed he had seen the abductions of the three Fort Worth girls at the mall that day Though why he waited so long to report it is still a mystery I mean that's that's kind of crazy to me that you would wait that long Well, that's why you know kind of it kind of gives you pause
Starting point is 00:31:36 You know like he says that he witnessed three girls being forced into what he described as a van Though the other eyewitness had claimed that it was a pickup truck. Remember the woman who talked to the employee, she said, she said it was a yellow pickup truck. Right. So it's hard to know which of them is correct if either of them are, are correct. You know, if, if either of these are connected to the case. So, but this man, this witness said that he even stopped to ask the man if everything was okay,
Starting point is 00:32:04 but that the man involved in the confrontation brushed it off as a family dispute. So I could see why you wouldn't report it at the time if that's what you're being told. You know, maybe you're assuming these are the guy's daughters and everything is fine even though it doesn't appear to be. You know, it's like maybe there's a little disagreement between father and girls. Right. I mean, if this person is telling you that it's a family dispute, I mean, what are you supposed to do? Like most people would just be like, okay, well, I'm not going to get involved in that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So then it's kind of like the one thing that you could say to make somebody
Starting point is 00:32:40 probably walk away. Right. So I guess I do understand. But also if, you know, if this person lived in the area, they could easily read the news and go or see it on the news and go, well, there's three girls missing from this mall. Maybe that wasn't a family dispute. Well, yeah. So why did it take him seven years to come forward unless he didn't live in the area and he didn't hear about it until much later. But then also, how could you possibly remember something like this so many years later? Like, do you remember some random conversation that you had seven years ago,
Starting point is 00:33:13 even if it was a little weird enough for you to wonder, Hey, I'm going to talk to this guy cause I think he might be abducting these girls. But if it's, if you put it off as a family dispute enough for you not to actually go to the police, are you really going to remember that seven years later? I don't think I would, but that's me. I totally get where you're going with that. I think that, yeah, it didn't seem to be alarming enough for him to do anything about it, so
Starting point is 00:33:41 I don't know why he would keep it in his mind. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean so I don't know why he would keep it in his mind. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like, uh, I don't know. Well, sadly the years continued to pass with no answers in the case of the missing girls, but it felt clear that they did not run off on their own like that letter had suggested in 2001. So 27 years after the girls vanished, another witness came forward to claim that he had also seen the girls
Starting point is 00:34:05 in the parking lot that day, but he added a new detail. They had been seen in the back of a security patrol car for the malls, I almost said the mans, the malls, sorry, security detail. And this kind of sounds like this could be an option because these are three young girls. Typically young people see police officers or security as you know some sort of authority figure. Like trustworthy?
Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah, trustworthy maybe. So it's possible. Well, I think this is a really interesting witness statement because we have to think about how this would happen anyway. If we're thinking about the girls possibly, you know, cause obviously they weren't abducted from the middle of the mall in front of a bunch of people. So maybe you could assume that while they're in the parking lot heading back to Rachel's car, they're taken by, by somebody.
Starting point is 00:34:58 But there's three of them. Obviously they're all very young, but what are the chances that all of them would be able to be picked off like that without one of them being able to run or find help or, you know, get somebody else's attention, which makes you think either A, there was more than one person involved or B, it could be something like this where they were maybe apprehended. Maybe the security patrol officer is saying, hey, I saw you shoplifted, and that's like all a ruse, come into the car, you know, I'm taking you down. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:35:30 I was going to say that sounds like something pretty plausible. I mean, the only the only way that I could see this perpetrator having complete control over three young girls is maybe if he had a gun and he was in and they were all kind of in one enclosed area and he's in and they were all kind of in one enclosed area and he's threatening you know get in the car I'm gonna shoot one of you or something like that yeah and they're young and scared I mean there really are multiple scenarios that could be true but regarding this security patrol car for anybody wondering police had questioned all the security guards
Starting point is 00:36:02 on duty that night but they all denied any knowledge of what happened to Rachel, Renee, and Julie. So again, was, was this somebody who is falsely remembering since at this point, this one, we're saying the other one was seven years later. This is almost three decades later. Yeah. Nearly 30 years. Yeah. 27 years. Like it's a long ass time. So were they making it up? Were they wrong? I don't know. This is very interesting, especially because this is even less alarming than, hey, is that guy abducting those girls? Oh, it's a family dispute. This is three random girls in the
Starting point is 00:36:37 back of a patrol car. That could be very normal. Sure. Why is this sticking out so much later? But in the 50 years since they vanished, multiple sightings have been reported of the girls, in addition to the letter that Rachel supposedly sent and the eerie phone call to Julie's mom. But no communication or sightings since their disappearance has been confirmed. Well that same year that that final tip or that final witness came forward, which was 2001, the case was officially reopened by the Fort Worth Police Department. This time, the police were more candid with their findings over the past two decades and
Starting point is 00:37:18 hoped that this would embolden someone to come forward with more information. And in a bombshell revelation for the case, law enforcement announced that they believed the girls left them all with someone that they knew and trusted and were focused on the accounts of 20 witnesses. Which, if they went with somebody they knew and trusted, that could also explain how they all got into a car. Then why leave her car behind? Still so many questions.
Starting point is 00:37:44 There is a lot of questions. Well, they also announced that they were confident that the letter had been sent from Fort Worth and that the girls had been held somewhere after their abduction and had known their captor or cap doors. Or at least, you know, one or two of the girls did. Investigators believe that they had left them all with only one person, but that more than one person had been involved. They have narrowed their search down to five persons of interest, but none have officially been named to the public, even by December of 2024 when we're recording this episode. Disappointed in the slow march toward justice, Rusty Arnold, who again is Rachel's little brother,
Starting point is 00:38:27 has taken over the public search efforts in the recent decades. Rusty eventually teamed up with another private investigator, Dan James, who had been following the case closely since one year after it occurred. Purely of his own volition and curiosity. He was just very interested in the case. And actually, in 1999, Dan even offered $25,000 of his own money as a reward. That's how invested he was in this case. He later divulged that he has received death threats from people who want him to stay away from this case, though he would not publicly name the origin of the threats or why such threats were being thrown his way.
Starting point is 00:39:07 For a while Rusty held out hope that his sister had been kept alive, because there were still alleged sightings of her in the Fort Worth area every single holiday season, but as we know from many other cases that we've inspected on this show, false sightings are very common just in general. As recently as 2000, Rusty claimed that he and Dan had reason to believe that she was still alive 26 years later, meaning that she would have been 43 then, but that the other two girls had been murdered. He has since changed his tune though and believes that they are all deceased.
Starting point is 00:39:50 While after getting wind of a tip that a car involved in the abduction was at the bottom of nearby Benbrook Lake, Rusty crowdsourced the grassroots campaign to have divers search that lake for evidence and pull the cars from the bottom of it. He spent three years funding for the dive writing quote, it's now been over 40 years long since that horrible day. And I've been looking for my sister and her two friends, my entire adult life. It's been a long and hard 40 years and my family has been torn apart. It's time to put this to rest. So he was clearly very hopeful that this could bring real answers. And to kind of try to put this into perspective, the lake is located just over 10 miles or
Starting point is 00:40:31 16 kilometers from the shopping center. So very close by and actually multiple cars were pulled from the water in 2018. From the shore as he watched the cars emerging at the surface again, very hopeful that this could bring solid leads, Rusty said thoughtfully, maybe someday, somewhere, we'll meet again. Well, get this. Allegedly, one of the cars that they found belonged to one of the five persons of interest in the case. One of the five people that police have yet to name publicly. There is also some online speculation
Starting point is 00:41:07 that one of these cars belonged to Tommy Trilizza. Remember, 17-year-old Rachel's husband, but this has not been proven. We just wanna mention it, because there is a lot of discourse about this online, because apparently one of his cars went missing around the time that the girls disappeared. So that's kind of interesting, I think,
Starting point is 00:41:28 but there's really nothing to back up those suspicions for real yet, but. Yeah, nothing really else to connect there. Still kind of interesting though, but unfortunately no evidence was left behind inside the cars. And even though one of them is believed to be tied to one of those, you know, five alleged people of interest, none of the cars were able to link the alleged perpetrator to the girls,
Starting point is 00:41:52 especially since the cars were made at various times, both way before and way after they went missing. So even if one of these cars does belong to one of the men believed to be involved. There was no actual evidence in any of the cars that was like, Oh, this is the sweatshirt that Renee was wearing that day. Anything like that. Yeah, no, no, uh, physical evidence or anything like that. Right. Or like blood or any, anything that could point to a crime. So Rachel's older sister, Deborah once publicly claimed that Rusty suspected that she wrote the letter. I know there has been some disagreements across families, but she protested and said that
Starting point is 00:42:31 she certainly did not. And Debra's own guess was that her sister had been trafficked. Over the years, the case of the Fort Worth missing trio has been connected to many other murders, but to this day, no concrete connections have been made. Now as can be expected, there was and there still is a massive amount of speculation in this case, and one of the theories is that Rachel was pregnant and perhaps her abductor killed her to eliminate this. Dan James, the second private investigator to take on the case, this. Dan James, the second private investigator to take on the case, claimed that he uncovered evidence that Rachel's father had been sexually abusing her and
Starting point is 00:43:09 her sister. He mused that it was possible that she was newly pregnant after being raped by her father and that Raymond either killed her or had her killed to keep this a secret. However, because he was suffering terminal cancer at the time, this seems a little bit unlikely, but it doesn't stop people from wondering if he was somehow pulling the strings in she and the girls' disappearance. Rachel's brother Rusty has continued his efforts to find his sister and her friends, and claims that he will do so for as long as it takes. He estimates that he has personally chased down
Starting point is 00:43:46 hundreds of leads, none of them leading back to his sister. He also admitted that these searches have led to many accusations, like claiming that he's a fraudster, and has also led to various burned bridges. I mean, Rusty has even chased down like some of the most ridiculous and absurd theories just to rule them out.
Starting point is 00:44:08 Of the girls' six parents, only one remains alive, and that's Rachel's mom, Frances. In November of 2022, so about two years before we're recording this, shortly before his death, Renee's dad, Richard, said, quote, I really don't believe they're alive. I would like to think otherwise, but it's been so many years. Francis agreed with him and acknowledged that the family members made their peace with the girls fate a long time ago.
Starting point is 00:44:37 She says, quote, I don't believe my daughter is alive, but one day someone is going to find her. So they all hold out hope for resolution and justice and the remaining family members still believe that the girls bodies and the identity of the murderer will be revealed one day. Last Christmas on 2023 Rusty announced on the Fort Worth missing trio Facebook that he had decorated his yard with three angels, one for each of the girls. They would now be 67, 64, and 59 years old.
Starting point is 00:45:15 If you have any information about the abduction of the Fort Worth Missing Trio, please call the Fort Worth Police Department at 817-335-4222. Thank you so much everybody for listening to this episode of Going West. Yes, thank you guys so much for listening to this episode. Hopefully one day these three girls will be found. It's just terribly tragic that things like this happen, especially before there were, you know, security footage and parking lots and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:45:57 It just seems like people were taking advantage of these opportunities. Yeah, I just wonder how much police have on these five persons of interest because obviously there's an entire investigation happening that with information that we're not privy to so they could be really really close they could be really really far like we don't know exactly where they are in this but it does seem like they have five pretty good people on their hands but what worries me is is the amount of time that's passed.
Starting point is 00:46:27 And I feel like, you know, investigations back in that day were so different that if you didn't do it properly in the beginning, sometimes you don't have enough evidence to ever figure it out. So hopefully they do. And this case we'll see resolution. I think one of the things that makes it really frustrating
Starting point is 00:46:44 and hard is the fact that makes it really frustrating and hard is the fact that there was really no DNA evidence left behind. Like there was nothing that they could collect and save for like later technology and DNA testing like today. Well exactly because it's just like the family thought earlier when we talked about this when they first went missing like it was if they just vanished inside the mall. Like there's there are multiple witness sightings, but they're different from the others You know, they're there. None of them are exactly the same. So many of them came forward so many years later So so there's really nothing to go off of yeah Yeah, we don't even know if they were abducted in that parking lot or somewhere else
Starting point is 00:47:20 Yeah if somebody they trusted drove them out of the area if it was a security patrol person if they were pulled into A vehicle by multiple people like again There's so many options here, but check out the photos that we posted on our socials Let us know what you guys think of this case, and we will see you next Tuesday with a whole new episode Also, don't forget to check out the letterman of leads on our bonus episode series on Patreon and on Apple. Alright guys, so for everybody out there in the world, don't be a stranger. I'm just a little bit of a wimp, but I'm just a little bit of a wimp you

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