Going West: True Crime - Glen Rogers // 29

Episode Date: July 1, 2019

In the 1990's, an undistinguished man sets out on a killing spree across the United States attacking multiple women, but no one knows the crimes are connected. When Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman are murdered in Brentwood and OJ Simpson is tried for their murders, the public is unaware of another potential suspect or partner in crime. This is the case of The Cross Country Killer, Glen Rogers. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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leave us a five star review, but don't forget to leave your name and your location. All right guys, you know what it is. This is episode 29 of Going West, so let's get into it. The land did you do this? One on one talking to me in person alone. Did you do this, Glenn? Did you kill those women, Glenn? One on one alone. You didn't tell me. You didn't tell me.

Did you kill the women? Did you hear me? Did you kill these women, Glander? No. I'm in my mother's house at this time, and they're already looking for Glander. The phone rang, and I talked to him, and he asked me, should guess who I'm partying with?

Nicole Simpson. And I mean, I nobody knew who that was. I thought, well, who's that? Bart Simpson's sister? I mean, just joke. He said, no, that's when he told me that that was O. Sinson's wife. Actually, for his home he says they got money,

they're well off and I'm taking her down. Glen Rogers, who is also known as the Cross Country Killer or the Casanova Killer, was born on July 15, 1962 in Hamilton, Ohio. He was the sixth of seven siblings from parents Edna and Claude Rogers, and Claude worked as a pump operator at a local paper company while Glenn was growing up. When his parents had the child before Glenn, Edna had tried to get her tubes tied so she couldn't have more children, but a judge wouldn't allow her to go forward with the operation because it would put her health in danger.

So it's safe to say Glenn was not really wanted by his parents, and his mother was very cold and rejected him throughout his whole life. Throughout his entire upbringing, he was consistently abused by his father Claude, and he acted out a lot. When Glenn was just a toddler around the age of two, he would sit and bang his head on hard surfaces and never cry or get upset about it. When he was around three years old, his mother slapped him so hard that he lost his breath and passed out. I think this information was later passed on by his older brother because it's unlikely that Glenn would have remembered that this happened on his own. But Edna also reportedly held Glenn's head underwater while she bathed him. So it's pretty clear that Glen had a very terrifying upbringing.

So by the age of 12, Glen began drinking alcohol and doing a lot of drugs, thanks to his older brother Clay. One of them got the wise idea to start robbing houses together that same year in order to have money since their family had little to none, and they finally got caught after supposedly robbing over 200 homes. This was Glenn's first run-in with the law and he was sent to reform school after this. The following year when he was just 13 years old, he attempted suicide by taking 25 tablets of painkiller motrin. In 1977 at the age of 15, Glenn met a 13-year-old sex worker and the two became involved. But just weeks later, Glenn would be arrested for aggravated

menacing. Aggravated menacing is basically when someone threatens to cause someone severe bodily injury. I'm not exactly sure what Glenn did in this situation, but an example would be pointing a gun at someone and threatening to shoot them. With that, Glenn was expelled from school, even though he was flunking out anyway. And at the age of 17, Glenn's father Claude had a very serious and life-threatening stroke, which caused him to be bedridden for the rest of his years. And despite the way he treated Glenn throughout his childhood, Glenn would usually be the one to watch and care for Claude because Edna was usually out trying to find another

man. This search for love would lead Glenn to his second major violent event. So one night, his mother Edna went out to a bar to meet a man and Glenn followed her there and actually beat her date with a baseball bat. It doesn't seem like he was charged for this, though, and it's unknown what the man's condition was after Glenn was done with him. Glenn was just 17 when he had his first child, Clinton Dwayne, with his 14-year-old girlfriend, Debbie. It wasn't his biological child, though, which he was aware of. Less than a year later,

the two got married and carried on to have their second child, who they named Jonathan Claude Rogers. So in 1982, Glenn was just 20 years old and he had his two-year-old son and one-year-old son. But for whatever reason, he was convinced that his wife Debbie was cheating on him. So one night, he followed her out to see if he could catch her in the act, just like he did with his mom, years prior, and he discovered that she picked up a man. So that night he beat her violently and this attack would lead to her getting corrective surgery. But of course she was never quite the same mentally. And it's interesting to me that she had her first child with a different man while she and Glenn were together and he was okay with that, but now she's out

seeing someone and he beats her senseless. Like how does that make sense? Yeah I don't know how that makes sense, but I remember watching this documentary on Glenn and you can see the photos of him when he's like 20 years old and it seems like he's really kind of happy. He seems like he's happy he's got this girl when he's like 20 years old and it seems like he's really kind of happy. He seems like he's happy he's got this girl and he's got these two children he's taking care of. But then everything kind of starts to slip away at some point. So at this point it's 1985 and Glenn is looking like the shittiest member of the Bee Gees.

And he picks up and he moves to Los Angeles with a girl named Catherine Mary Kapoeina, who was his latest baby mama, essentially. But this was not a good point in his life, and he actually gets into further trouble when he's in LA. He would partake in hustles with his older brother, and one night he ended up in the emergency room after injecting Budweiser into his veins and doing too much cocaine. That's the most white trash shit I've ever heard. Yes, definitely very white trash. I'm pretty sure he's the first person who has ever injected Budweiser into their veins. Actually, the hospital was very concerned about his mental state,

and they believed that he was at a serious risk of physically harming himself or someone else. Within months of this incident, Glen's father-clawed died. There is some speculation that Glen believed that he was at a serious risk of physically harming himself or someone else. Within months of this incident, Glen's father-claw died. There is some speculation that Glen was the one to kill his father because he was under Glen's care when he passed, but we weren't really not sure about that. It's not hard to believe considering Glen's incredibly aggressive behavior and passionate hate towards his dad. So over the next few years, Glenn sustained some massive damage to his head, just like he did as a child. He was beaten on the head with clubs, hidden the head with a pool queue, which actually

fractured his eye socket and caused intracranial bleeding, and was hit on the head with a tire iron resulting in a bruise skull. These instances were caused by various people who Glenn had gotten into fights with because he was usually at the bar stirring up trouble and getting into a lot of fights with people. In 1991, while Glenn was 28 years old, a man named Thomas Allen Wulcifer was found dead in his nursing home. There's very little known regarding his death, but what we do know is that Glenn told an employee at a bar that he was at one evening

that he killed Thomas himself by injecting whiskey into his IV. Police never ended up investigating this potential crime for whatever reason, and it's not known if Glenn even had any relationship with Thomas, or if he had just heard about his death somehow and wanted to take credit for it.

We all know that murderers like to brag to random people about who they kill, so it really wouldn't surprise me if he was in fact injected with whiskey, or if this is just something that he made up. Yeah, I would really like to know myself, and I'm not really sure why police didn't look into it. But regardless, in 1991, Glenn would be arrested for reckless driving, as well as causing a fire and causing harm to someone else's property, and he had received a second degree misdemeanor for these charges. At this point in his life,

Glenn was still attempting to overdose on Motrin and injecting alcohol into his veins. His doctor tried to get him committed in fear that Glenn would do something drastic, but, unfortunately, nothing ever came of it. This is especially unfortunate because just a few months after the doctor attempted to get Glenn locked up, on January 28, 1992, a 30-year-old woman named Carrie Ellen Gaskins was found stabbed to death in Bethel, Ohio. Sadly, she was found by her 12-year-old daughter Sherry several hours after the murder occurred when Sherry came home from school. It's believed that Glenn was the one who murdered her because they did in fact know each other

at a time. Apparently, Glenn pimped her out at some point, but it's unknown why he would murder her. Glenn was never properly questioned or charged for her murder and this still remains unsolved. On January 10th, 1994, police discovered the body of 71-year-old Mark Peters, who was a retired electrician and veteran in Babyville, Kentucky. Mark was found tied to a chair in a cabin that belonged to Glenn Rogers' family and his body had been covered by a pile of furniture. Before the murder, Mark had taken Glenn in and let him stay at his house for a few months. In October 1993, so about three months before his body was discovered,

Mark Peters was reported missing. His car was gone and many of his valuables were taken to. Glenn's brother Clay, who we have brought up a few times already, used to be incredibly rebellious alongside Glenn. But after some years, Clay has been the biggest piece in making sure Glenn takes responsibility for his actions, and we'll talk about that more as the story unfolds. Clay was even the one who pointed police to the cabin, telling them to search it, because

he was convinced his brother was involved in whatever happened to Mark. By the time police discovered Mark Peter's body, Glenn was already back in California where he was caught using the ID of a man named James Peters, who was Mark Peter's son. The big kicker is that police couldn't actually tie Mark's murder to Glenn because there was no evidence, so Glenn couldn't be charged for Mark's murder to Glenn because there was no evidence. So Glenn couldn't be charged for Mark's murder at that point. It's so frustrating because Mark was found in the family's cabin. Glenn had just been staying with him for a while and Glenn is found with Mark's son's identification. So it's like obviously he did it

and it's so frustrating in situations like this when there's lack of evidence and lack of DNA, but you kind of just know and you still can't do anything about it. Right, there's this lack of DNA evidence, and at the same time, there's also this jurisdiction thing where it's like, he fled back to California and Mark's body was found in Kentucky, so I think that was probably also very frustrating for police. And I'm not sure how police found out that Glenn was using James as ID. I read somewhere that he tried to use it to get painting jobs to be like a house painter.

So I'm not really sure how they would have found out. But this was separate from the police who were trying to find the murder of Mark. It's now 1994 and Glenn landed a job painting Nicole Brown Simpson and O.J. Simpson's house. He called his brother Clay and said, guess who I'm parting with? Nicole Simpson. They got money. They're well off and I'm taking her down. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the Simpson murder case, but we're going to run through

some details anyway. And this information will be relevant to Glenn Rogers. On the night of Sunday, June 12th, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson, who at the time was the ex-wife of football player O.J. Simpson, attended a school recital, and afterwards went out to dinner at 6.30pm with her two children, Sydney and Jason, along with her mother and some other family members at an upscale Italian restaurant in Brentwood, Los Angeles called

Mezzaluna, Tratoria. After dinner, Nicole took her kids for ice cream before they returned to their home at 8.75 Bundy Drive and Brentwood around 8 pm. Sydney and Jason were Nicole and OJ's two children together, but they lived with Nicole. At 9.15 pm, Nicole's sister called Mezzaluna to ask if they noticed some sunglasses that their mother could have left at the table. They were discovered and Ronald Goldman, who was a 25-year-old server at Mezzaluna and an aspiring actor, said that he would return the glasses to Nicole after his shift ended that night. Ron and Nicole had become friends and they often went out for coffee, dinner, to work out, or hit up a club to go dancing. All of

Ron's friends reported that the two were not dating at all and never had, they were simply just friends. Since Ron knew where Nicole lived, he left the restaurant around 9.50 pm to return the sunglasses. At around 10.15 pm, the two were murdered. A man who lived near Nicole Brown Simpson's house was on a walk with his dog when he came across another dog with bloody paws at around 10.30 pm. It appears that this man did not know it was Nicole's dog or where the dog even belonged. Shortly after midnight, a neighbor couple heard an agitated dog barking and they decided to follow it. That's when they discovered the bodies of Nicole and Ron,

who were outside the home, dead and bloodied in the home's walkway. Then they phoned police. 35-year-old Nicole Brown Simpson was found in the fetal position in a pool of blood. She was stabbed seven times in the neck and scalp, and her throat had been slit across so severely that she was nearly decapitated. She also had defensive knife wounds on her hands. Ron Goldman suffered four fatal knife wounds, two were to his chest, one to his abdomen, and one to his neck. So it seems as if Ron was in the wrong place at the wrong time and lost his life because of it.

Both Nicole and Ron were murdered and found outside of the house, and both Sidney and Jason Simpson were upstairs sleeping while the murders occurred. As I'm sure you all know, OJ Simpson has been the largest suspect in this case by far, but others speculate that he had help from a man named Glenn Rogers. So let's go back and look at the day's events. OJ started his day at 7am where he played golf, then hours later enjoyed a game of cards at the clubhouse. Nicole started her morning shopping for toys. Then she prepares her daughter Sydney for her dance recital.

Ron Goldman played softball in the morning before going home to get dressed and ready for a shift at Mezzaluna. OJ went home after playing cards around 2pm and called different women including his girlfriend, Paula Barbarri. The two got in a fight because she wanted to attend Sydney's dance recital with him that night and OJ said no. She then decided to fly to Vegas with singer Michael Bolton. OJ's friend Cato was staying with him and witnessed this conversation.

At 4.30 pm, Nicole and her family arrived to Sydney's middle school for her recital. 15 minutes later, OJ arrives and sits behind Nicole and the Brown family. At 6.15 pm, the recital ended and OJ enjoys some light conversation with the Brown family. Between 6.30 pm and 7 pm, Nicole and her family arrive at Mezzaluna. OJ goes home and tells his friend Cato that he's angry that Nicole is wearing a tight dress and not letting him go to dinner with the family. Mind you, they've been divorced for a year and a half at this point. At 9.10 pm, OJ and Cato go to McDonald's to pick up some food before returning

back to OJ's house. OJ ate in the car on the way home. At 9.36pm, Kato sees OJ wearing a dark colored sweatsuit. What's up, two crime fans? Are you looking for something fun and interesting to do with your friends and family? What about something involving a murder? Have you ever listened to a podcast and thought, maybe I could be a detective? Then you need to get the game hunt a killer, the murder mystery box that immerses you in an ongoing experience. It's a monthly subscription box, and with every delivery, you will dive deeper into what it's like to become a detective.

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Regardless, he stated that his white Ford Bronco was parked out on the street in front of his house. However, at 9.45 pm, a man walking his dog by OJ's house later reported that he did not see the white Bronco on the street. At 10.02 pm, OJ tried to call his girlfriend Paula on the phone that he had in his bronco. So this proves that OJ was in his car at this time. For a reference, his house was just a seven minute drive to Nicole's. And remember, they were likely murdered around 10.15 PM.

That night, OJ was to fly to Chicago. So at 10.22 PM, Alan Park, the limo driver who was supposed to take OJ to the airport that night, arrived to the house. He did not remember seeing the Bronco outside. He said he looked at the street pretty carefully since he was looking for the proper street number, and remember folks this is before GPS. He circled the block a few times since he was early, and at 10.40pm, Allen Park buzzed OJ's intercom but got no response. Three minutes later, he tried again. No response. Six minutes after that, he tried again, and still no response. A minute later, someone spotted a white bronco at the intersection of

Bundy and Dorothy, which was just about a block from where Nicole's house was. Five minutes later, Alan Park sees a man who looked around six feet tall and two hundred pounds wearing dark clothes walk across OJ's driveway and into his house. Within seconds of entering the home, the downstairs lights turn on. A minute later, Alan decides to buzz OJ's inner calm again. And this time, OJ answers explaining that he overslept and he was just getting out of the shower. There are so many details to this murder, but since this episode is about Glen Rogers, we don't want to delve too deep into it because everything that's online has to do with

OJ's involvement. So going back to Glen, we know that his older brother Clay, related to investigators later, that he is convinced his brother was involved in the 875 Bundy Drive murders. And like we mentioned, Clay stated that Glenn told him in a phone conversation that he wanted to take Nicole down, because she was wealthy and he wanted her money. Glenn Rogers really wasn't publicly brought into the case until about 2012 when ID released the documentary called My Brother the Serial Killer, which is a documentary about Glenn Rogers and his crimes,

told by his brother Clay. The investigators that had worked on Glen Rogers' other murder cases are convinced as well that Glen was involved, and here's why. Apparently, OJ had hired Glen to steal a pair of $20,000 diamond earrings from Nicole Brown's Simpsons house that OJ had given to her previously. Since the two were divorced, he wanted them back. OJ reportedly told Glenn that they were all going to a dance recital that night and that he knew when Nicole would not be home so he could grab them.

He also said that if she was home, quote, you may have to kill the bitch. So let's unpack this for a sec. This isn't a very surprising claim because we know that OJ was abusive towards Nicole in the past. And there are many, many reports of this domestic abuse in this relationship and other relationships that he's had. So it's not like he's this picture, perfect man who is saying this. It's, it's pretty easy to believe this conversation would take place because I think that he had a lot of anger towards

Nicole. Right, and from what we've found out years after this is that he was arrested for kind of a similar thing where he had hired someone to take back some memorabilia for him. Right, so it doesn't seem very unlikely at all that he would want this jewelry back from Nicole and that he would want her to die potentially in the act as well. Right, and we also can't put it past Glenn because of the abusive problems that he's been through as well, where he has been abused and also has abused others. so it seems pretty likely that the two of them probably did work together on this. So part of the information regarding Glenn's involvement was given by Clay Rogers, but the other information is actually given by Glenn directly to investigators in 2011.

In the years leading up to his confession, he would send drawings to investigators stating that there were clues hidden within them. One of the drawings he sent included a cemetery with names written on individual crosses, one red Nicole and another red Ron. He even drew photos of what the murder weapon looked like and described the murder in horrific detail. According to Glenn, OJ had told him where there was a spare set of keys at the back door of Nicole's home. When Glenn found the keys, he walked towards the front of the home,

and in that very moment, Ron Goldman came through the front gate of the house. Since Ron was now in the way, Glenn had to kill him. That's when Glenn stabbed Ron. Glenn then stated that Nicole came outside and he stabbed her once, then she fainted. Ron wasn't yet dead and he came back for a fight. Then Glenn stabbed him again and threw him against a tree, which is where his body was later found. Glenn then went back to Nicole and pulled her hair back before slitting her throat and killing her while she was unconscious. Apparently, OJ didn't want to get his hands dirty, so he was waiting in his Ford Bronco nearby. When Nicole and Ron were dead, he went back to check out the crime. At the crime scene,

there were two different men's shoe prints found. One of them matched the size of OJ shoes as well as a specific shoe OJ owned. The other was never matched to anyone, but Glenn Shoe's were never tested. There was also blood and skin DNA found under Nicole's fingernails that did not match that of OJ Simpson. Interestingly enough as well, Nicole's watch on her wrist was found broken, and that was actually Glen's MO. In most of his murders, he would leave a broken timepiece or watch near the crime scene. And by the way, Glen had never stolen the diamonds because Nicole had hidden them somewhere else. I just want to say that one thing that really stands out to me in this case is that the kids were

home upstairs sleeping. And I just, it's hard for me to imagine that OJ would go in there and kill his ex-wife while his children are there because they could have seen him. They were old enough to be able to identify, oh, that's my dad. And I really truly believe that OJ was involved in this. I don't think he's innocent by any means. But it's hard for me to believe that he would be the actual one who's committing the murder with his children upstairs. Right, and I think that's exactly why OJ hired Glenn to do his dirty work because he didn't want his children to potentially ID him in this case. But I think that in OJ's mind I think that he was believing that Glenn was just going to steal these demon earrings for him and then it just turned out so much more sinister

because obviously Glenn can't control his emotions and went straight to murder. It would also make sense that Glenn did it since no murder weapon was ever found. However, according to Alan Park, OJ's limo driver, there was a bag amongst OJ's other luggage that OJ would not let Alan put into the car. OJ insisted on carrying it himself, and it's widely believed that it contained the murder weapon and bloody clothes. A lot of people speculate that he brought this with him to Chicago and got rid of the evidence there.

To me, I'm not sure if that's true, because as far as I know, there was still airport security and bag scanners in 1994, and obviously airport security really tightened after 9.11. But this was seven years prior to 9.11 and I still think that they had technology to scan a bag and tell if there's a knife in it. Yeah, definitely. And I don't think that being a celebrity is going to give you leeway on putting your bag through airport security. I tried to look up 1994 airport security.

At the scene of the crime, OJ's hat was also found, and there was blood evidence in his bronco. His blood was also found at the scene of the crime. Investigators who have worked with Glenn believe that Glenn set it up this way to frame OJ for the murder. And the reason why OJ's blood was found at the scene was because he had a cut on his finger. I originally thought that it was pretty hard to believe that Glenn could be clever enough to frame OJ so well, but after finding out that he had sent these secret messages within drawings for years to investigators that was essentially him confessing, made me realize

how smart he really is. Not to mention Glenn's brother Clay told investigators that Glenn took a gold angel pin off of Nicole's body and mailed it to his mother in Ohio the following day. She even wore this pin to a future murder trial for Glenn, not to spoil anything. It was known that Nicole Brown Simpson collected Angel memorabilia. This stolen Angel pin was never looked into because Glen Rogers was never made an official suspect for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. So, regarding the Angel pin, Glen wrote a letter to his brother Clay saying that during Glenn's murder trial, he asked his mom to wear the angel pin, and she was photographed in it.

Glenn explained to Clay that this was a hidden clue as well, almost like an Easter egg, and no one got it at the time. This also kind of proved to me that Glenn knows exactly what he's doing, and he actually is pretty clever. I really wish that someone could have confirmed that that was indeed her Angel pin. But that was part of Glenn's way of saying, I did do this, see my mom is wearing Nicole's Angel pin. So I had to have done it. He's definitely from the back woods, no doubt about it, but he seems like he's intelligent enough to do some of these things.

And like you said, you know, he would leave that mo the smash timepiece at his crime scenes, so it's almost like he really wants to leave these clues, these breadcrumbs for investigators to find. And I think the obvious question here is, if OG didn't commit the murders and knew that Glenn did it, why didn't he bring Glenn into it and tell police who it really was? I really believe that if Glenn did do it, why didn't he bring Glenn into it and tell police who it really was? I really believe that if Glenn did do it, I honestly think that OJ was involved in some way. Just like Glenn says, OJ hired him to do it and then came to the scene after the crime

had been committed. If that's true, I think OJ didn't want to bring Glenn into it because then he would be incriminating himself. And since OJ knew he didn't want to bring Glenn into it because then he would be incriminating himself. And since OJ knew he didn't commit the murder, he also knew he wouldn't be charged for it, which he wasn't, by the way. He was found not guilty of the murder. So maybe he wanted to leave Glenn out of it, so no one would ever find out exactly what happened. So the year after the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman,

Glenn was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon in Los Angeles and spent about three months in prison. Within three months, Glenn was again arrested for beating his girlfriend and he only spent two days in prison for this. The frustrating part of this is that Glenn clearly has this very consistent abusive and violent behavior, and he was actually on probation at the time of this assault. So he should have received a two and a half year sentence, but the judge had for some reason been unaware of his most recent previous sentence, which is why he

was let go after just two days. Within weeks of getting at a jail for beating his girlfriend in September 1995, Glenn went to a bar in Van Aes, California, which is in Los Angeles, called Mick Reds Bar and met a 33-year-old woman named Sandra Gallagher. At this point, Glenn was also 33 years old. After they spent some time together at the bar, Sandra offered him a ride home to which he accepted. Once they arrived at her pickup truck, Glenn raped her, stabbed her to death, and set her truck on fire. One week later, Glenn fled Los Angeles and went to Jackson, Mississippi, where he met a 34-year-old woman named Linda Price at a state fair.

The two hit it off and very quickly moved in together. It's unknown if they got an apartment together or if he moved into her apartment since it was so fast, but they were definitely living in the same place for a couple weeks. On November 3, 1995, Linda's family went over to her apartment because they hadn't heard from her in almost a week and they were worried. And by the way, this is about a month after she had met Glenn. So the family decided that they were gonna go over to Linda's place and check on her. When they entered her home, they found Linda's mutilated body laying in her bathtub.

Clay, Glenn's brother, recalls a voicemail that was left on their mother's answering machine by Glenn the night Linda would have been murdered. You could hear what sounded like Glenn slapping someone while saying, I did it again. She was a bad girl, but I'm making her pay for it, just like you made us pay mommy." The day after Linda's body was found, Glenn was on a bus from Louisiana to Tampa, Florida. Within four days, he met another 34-year-old woman by the name of Tina, Maria Cribbs, and a Tampa bar. He bought her a drink in the two-talked for a while. Afterwards, they went back to a motel, and that tampa bar. He bought her a drink and the two talked for a while. Afterwards, they went back to a motel, and that was the last time anyone ever saw Tina. Her body was found stabbed to death in the motel room. After Glenn murdered her, he drove off in Tina's

car and returned to Bossier City, Louisiana. The day he arrived in Louisiana, he picked up another woman in a bar. She was 37-year-old Andy Sutton, and murdered her on the waterbed and her room, which was found punctured. Her roommate found her stabbed to death. Glenn then headed to Badyville, Kentucky, where he visited his family. So his family was actually really worried that he had done something because they knew of his past, and Clay had been told numerous things by Glenn himself that they decided they needed to let police know that they had found him and he was at their house. When Glenn found out the police were coming, he fled by car and got himself involved

in a high-speed pursuit that ended in Waco, Kentucky. When police brought him in, they sat him down and let him know that they were looking at him for the murder of five people, not including Nicole and Ron, by the way. Glenn hadn't even requested the presence of an attorney before he told police that he had murdered over 70 people, but this statement was later retracted. Since police didn't have any proof of this but knew he was dangerous, they charged him with endangering a police officer and criminal mischief. Something that really pisses me off is that now Clay is coming forward with all this information

and saying at the time that it was occurring that Glenn was saying all of this stuff to him. And if that's true, then it's just, I don't understand why Clay didn't come out with that at the time because he could have saved so many lives if he told police what was going on and I just don't understand why it took him over 15 years to come forward with it. I mean, a couple of reasons why I think and one of them could have been that he was potentially afraid of Glenn. He was afraid that Glenn would have came after him, and I think I did read in an interview that he had actually threatened Clay when he found out that him and his mother had turned on Glenn. So that's a possibility there. There's also the

possibility that, you know, this is his brother he wants to protect him, and then third, I think that, you know, Clay was involved in some criminal activity himself. I mean, he had mentioned that earlier on in his life, him and Glenn would do crimes to get, commit crimes together. So it's not out of the question to think that he may have been trying to save himself as well. Yeah, I mean, that definitely makes a lot of sense. I think it's a good point that he was also a criminal

himself back in the day, and maybe he didn't want Glend to turn on him. So on October 21st, 1996, a forensic psychologist conducted tests on Glend and diagnosed him with chronic psychotic disturbance. They also had Glend take an IQ test and discovered that he had an IQ of 76, which is just six points above being mentally inadequate. And just to clear something up from earlier, when we said that we think that Glenn might be savvy and smart,

we think that he's very street smart as a career criminal that he knows how to get away with these crimes. But not Booksmart. I mean, I've seen him write a letter. I read a little excerpt of a letter that he wrote to Clay talking about the gold angel pan, and he couldn't even spell in the cold. Like he just, he wasn't literate. He wasn't Booksmart. He wasn't intelligent in that way. We just think that maybe in other ways he was clever. And he had to have been, to have gotten away with all these crimes for so long and to be that season, to have committed crimes for

over 20 years, you kind of just have to be good at it. Nearly a year later on May 7th, 1997, Glenn Rogers, 8-day murder trial ended, and he was found guilty of murder in the first degree and arson in the state of California. So California and Florida had reached an extradition agreement, so he could stand trial in California for the Florida murder, too. He was found guilty of murder in the first degree for Tina Marie Cribbs in Tampa, Florida, robbery with a weapon, grand theft of a motor vehicle, and the murder of Sandra Gallagher in her car in Van Eyes, California, and burning her vehicle. Glenn Rogers was sentenced to death for his crimes in 1999 in Los Angeles at the age

of 38. Glenn was scheduled to be put to death on Valentine's Day in 1999, but he filed an appeal to the Florida Supreme Court, claiming that the state didn't represent enough evidence to support the crimes he was charged for. His appeal was delayed two years, but was then denied. In 2005, he filed yet another appeal describing that the closing arguments of his case were improper. At this point, Glenn still sits on death row over 20 years after he was put there.

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