Going West: True Crime - Holly Grim // 254

Episode Date: November 19, 2022

In November of 2013, a woman in Pennsylvania went missing from her home just a week before Thanksgiving. Years later, her remains were found on the property of someone she knew- some who idolized Dexter and aspired to be a serial killer. This is the story of Holly Grim. BONUS EPISODES patreon.com/goingwestpodcast CASE SOURCES 1. Fox: https://www.foxnews.com/us/holly-grim-slaying-pennsylvania-man-found-guilty-2013-murder-coworker 2. The Morning Call: https://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-holly-grim-wrongful-death-lawsuit-20170623-story.html 3. Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172107556/holly-ann-grim 4. The Morning Call: https://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-nws-horvath-sentencing-grim-murder-20220909-5yjqdhcaurc5hgb6zb5x5frx7a-story.html 5. ABC News: https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-news-lehigh-valley-missing-woman-mom/1606510/ 6. Oxygen: https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/michael-horvath-guilty-of-holly-grim-2013-murder 7. Police Press Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRV6p-dNt74 8. Praying for Justice for Holly Grim Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/222457674544501 9. WFMZ: https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/family-reacts-after-sentencing-of-man-who-killed-holly-grim/article_d1bcf238-2fb4-11ed-b4ad-0b68eb12cd94.html 10. WFMZ: https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/mother-of-homicide-victim-holly-grim-passes-away/article_0d15835f-730e-5912-8e6b-7e9fe10a954c.html 11. Lehigh Valley Live: https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2016/11/7_things_to_know_about_holly_g.html 12. WFMZ: https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/poconos-coal/michael-horvaths-wife-takes-the-stand-in-holly-grim-slaying-trial/article_5ac657d8-dc48-11ec-987a-1f927c0ec9e7.html 13. Pocono Record: https://www.poconorecord.com/story/news/crime/2016/10/13/man-charged-with-murder-after/25204587007/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What is going on to crime fans? I'm your host Tee. And I'm your host Daphne. And you're listening to Going West. Thank you everybody for tuning in today. Hope you're having a good week. Happy Friday. And thank you to Danielle for recommending today's case. Takes place around this time of year. So,

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are answers to that case finally, crazy case for Massachusetts from the 70s. So go listen to that one and like 75 others, please. Alright guys, this is episode 254 of Going West, so let's get into it. In November of 2013, a woman in Pennsylvania went missing from her home just a week before Thanksgiving. Years later, her remains would be found on the property of someone she knew, someone who idolized Dexter and aspired to be a serial killer. This is The Story of Holly Grimm was born on February 19, 1972 to Jeanette and Richard Grimm in Pennsylvania. And Holly was one of seven children and the only girl actually, along with brothers Michael,

Richard, Craig, Matthew, Carl and Jeffrey. That's a lot of boys. A lot of boys. So Holly grew up in Allentown, Pennsylvania, which is the third largest city in the state, and it's about an hour and a half drive from Philadelphia. Sadly, like many people, of course, the family had their share of tragedy because in 1989, so when Holly was about 16 years old, she lost her brother Michael, and then in 2001, she lost her father, Richard. It was a devastating blow to the tight-knit family, but according to Friends and Family,

Holly maintained a very positive attitude and a sweet disposition. All the comments on her Memorial Facebook page mention either like what a joy she was to be around, how much she loved to dance or both, like people just loved Holly. Holly loved to bowl, and she even competed in a local bowling league. She also had a passion for NASCAR, or NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR and was a die hard fan of driver Dale Earnhart. Number three. Oh, you know him. I do. And Holly frequented the Mahoning Valley Speedway in Lehighton, Pennsylvania, about 30 miles or 48 kilometers away from her hometown. Many friends fondly remember her passion for races,

sharing pictures of Holly posing happily next to race cars and sitting in the stands with noise-canceling headphones on. In 1998, Holly gave birth to a son who she named Zachary Michael Graham, and those who knew them said that he was just the absolute light of Holly's life. Zach reciprocated telling one publication quote, she was the kindest, nicest. She would always make you laugh. I think people who know her are going to remember her forever.

Holly and her son lived in the lower Makungi township about a 20-minute drive southwest of Allentown. Lower Makungji is situated in an area known as the Lehigh Valley in Lehigh County, which is supposed to be a safe and family-oriented area. Holly worked for Allen Oregon Company, a company that manufactures organs for churches, recording studios and theaters based in Mekunji. Holly was employed in the wood shop and worked there happily for many, many years. She began dating a local man named Dwayne, who was also a single father to a son. They initially bonded over their shared love for racing, and the four became very close,

and Dwayne's son, Justin, loved her as well. The week before Thanksgiving, 2013, was a normal one for 41-year-old Holly and her 16-year-old son, Zach. The temperatures were getting chillier near the end of a picturesque Pennsylvania autumn, and the last of the leaves were falling from the trees. The two shared a trailer in the Red Maple's Mobile Home Park and West Coastville, a census

designated place within the Lower Macungie Township. Around 6.30am, on the crisp morning of November 22, 2013, just six days before Thanksgiving, Holly dropped Zach off at the bus stop as usual and then she returned home. Now Holly, who was a petite woman of 5'3", weighing around 100 pounds, had been wearing a pink winter coat, jeans, and black running shoes. Minutes later, a neighbor saw Holly return to her home and go inside. But that would be the last time that she was ever seen in public. Now this neighbor later recalled that as Holly was exiting her vehicle, she appeared startled like as if she had heard something.

But whatever it was, must not have distracted Holly enough to deter her from going inside to finish getting ready for her 7.30am to 4pm shift at work. So Holly went inside and then a short time later, this neighbor claimed that they heard a loud thump coming from the direction of her home. And this is an interesting sound to hear from next door. Because a thump is not like a scream But it was strange enough noise in some way for the neighbor to like notice it, you know, yeah

They made a mental note of that exactly so just after 7 a.m Remember Holly starts work at 7 30 Holly's mom Jeanette arrived at Holly's home located on Grange Road Holly and Jeanette were extremely close and they spoke multiple times a day. They even lived in the same mobile home park and before Jeanette had retired, worked for the same company. So lots of things in common here, you know, lots of seeing each other in general, which was awesome for them. So Jeanette claims that they drove to work together every day until the end of her career

at Alan Organ. She called Holly that morning as usual and didn't receive a response, which was really odd for Holly, so her mom headed over to the home of her daughter and grandson to just check things out make sure everything was okay. And even though it had seemingly been just minutes since Holly had stepped out, Jeanette knew immediately that something was just off. Holly's car was in the driveway, but she was nowhere to be found. Her front door was unlocked, and inside the home, Jeanette found Holly's keys, glasses, asthma medication, and cigarettes all left behind, things that she normally did not leave home without. Her mom also noticed a spilled coffee mug and an ash tray that had been knocked behind

the couch spilling ash all over the floor. Alarmed, Jeanette attempted to reach Holly's boyfriend Dwayne and also called Holly's employer. But weirdly, there had been no sign of her like neither of them knew where she was. So suspecting foul play, Jeanette contacted police immediately and filed a Missing Persons report. And that same day, police classified Holly as an endangered missing person, which is huge for a 41-year-old woman

that the same day, they're gonna call this an endangered missing person's case. Yeah, that almost never happens. Yeah, like that goes to show you how weird this situation was. And one friend of Holly's told a reporter, quote, it's as if she just completely vanished. And we know everyone who knows Holly knows that this doesn't make sense. What police found at the home was even more disturbing.

Blood on the exterior of her trailer. And what makes this especially strange is that after being tested by the forensics lab, they discovered that it wasn't even Holly's blood. How weird. That is so weird. She's missing and then there's blood all over the outside of the trailer, but it's not hers. So suspicious. Very interesting.

So, this confirmed that a struggle had indeed taken place. They also located a black button on the floor of her living room that they said did not match any item of clothing that Holly owned. Police pinged her cell phone, and while they were unable to determine its location, based on the calls that her mother had made to her earlier that morning, they determined that Holly's phone, and therefore likely Holly, had been moving quickly. Her location at the time of the calls changed from near her home in Lower Mokunji to nearby

highways in her state 78 and then Route 145. It looked as if she had been traveling north and then east away from her home. But also remember that if she's moving at this fast of a rate, obviously so quickly, and her car is at her house like this. She's probably in somebody else's car. Exactly. So, police questioned those close to her, including her co-workers, and started with anyone who would have been late or absent on the morning of November 22nd.

This included 46 year old Michael Horvath, with whom police spoke to on December 12th. Now Michael claimed that he had gotten a flat tire that morning that had delayed his arrival to Alan Organ Company. How convenient, isn't it? Yeah and this is the same place where he worked alongside Holly and Jeanette for years, and where he had been on his way to work the same 730 AM to 430 PM shift that Holly was supposed to have been working that day. He claimed that he had been on his way to work, and had blown out his tire about 2 miles

or a little over 3 kilometers away from Holly's home, which he said was purely coincidental. Now, after stopping to put some air in it, he returned home, about a 40-minute drive away and repaired the tire with a patch. It just feels like too many coincidences that you are late to work and your car happens to get its tire blown out near where Holly lived. Yeah, you're in the same location when your tire's supposedly... Any lives, any lives sorry. Any lives 40 minutes away? No, no, no, looking weird. Yeah, it's not like, it's not like if your tire blew out and you're already like close to your work,

why would you go all the way back home? Isn't there like some sort of mechanic shop you could go to to get it fixed or whatever? Who who knows it's just odd and obviously this stuck out to police and police noted that they found his account of events suspicious but they didn't press him for further information and they just continue to question her friends acquaintances and co-workers

so obviously again it makes sense that police are like we're not going to push you further because they have no trace of holly there's no body right there's no at physical evidence of any kind that michael would have been involved at this point right there's just the blood that was found outside our trailer that wasn't even hers but obviously they are taking note he looks us okay caring we'll put a pin in him." So in the weeks following Holly's disappearance, as her family had to head into the holiday season without her, police continued to question dozens of people in the community.

One newspaper called it, quote, one of the region's most closely watched missing persons cases. most closely watched missing persons cases. There seemed to be no motive, no suspects, and aside from the mystery blood stain, no evidence. Missing persons' poster circulated and Holly's mom, Jeanette, was especially active in the cause, just getting the word out about her daughter in any way that she could. The community rallied around the family, and they even started a Facebook page to help like just share different updates and different information about Holly and her case, and they also hosted prayer vigils and fundraisers. Friends and supporters designed t-shirts

and released balloons for her with everything in Holly's favorite color purple. And local small businesses even sold products in her honor balloons for her with everything in Holly's favorite color purple. And local small businesses even sold products in her honor and donated the profits to the reward fund. Oh, that's so hard to say sometimes. Reward fund. Reward fund.

Which is, I mean, this community seems so, so awesome and they want to do everything they can to help her. Yeah, it's kind of crazy how above and beyond they went for Holly because oftentimes you don't really see that much support You do see support, but oftentimes not that much. Well, even the nonprofit volunteer organization called Wolfpack search and recovery got Involved with the search efforts and the police maintained the investigation, but they didn't announce their findings for anything Until almost three years later, when they found a bone believed to belong to none other than Holly Graham. Damn, three years later. Yeah, and that was three years without any updates or suspects,

like I said, so it's just three years of silence and then suddenly they found a bone or they find a bone that belongs to her. But before we get into that, let's discuss what the police had been up to. So in the summer of 2014, over six months since Holly had vanished, police again brought in Michael Horvath, Holly's coworker for questioning. Michael informed them that he no longer worked for Alan Organ, and that he had left shortly after Holly went missing, which he again said was purely coincidental. The crazy thing is that he had been employed there for over 20 years, and known and worked with

Holly for at least six. Now this time, police requested a DNA sample in the form of a mouth swap, because they're just trying to find a match for that mysterious blood spatter that was found on the exterior of Holly's home, which was a great piece of evidence to have from a potential suspect who were assuming that blood is from,

since it's not Holly's. Yeah. So what a great thing to have to be able to match somebody's DNA to? Like, that's a good piece of evidence. Yeah, they were like, finally, let's maybe do something in this case and test this blood. Well, guess what? It was a match. So that blood on the exterior of Hollies' home was none other than Michael Horvath's.

So Michael claimed that he had been to Holly's home on just two occasions, and both times were to help her move a washer and dryer. And why her, I don't know, boyfriend or her family member didn't help her with this instead, we don't know, but he is claiming that he did that. And one source claims that he actually sold her the washer and dryer, and that the two times

that he visited were to drop off the respective machines. That's fine, right? But Michael said that he remembered entering through the back door of the trailer, both times, just to help move the units. And get this, of course, he has an explanation. He says that he may have injured himself while doing this, and that would explain the blood left behind, right? I mean, I guess, yeah, you could say that for sure.

But yeah, it doesn't make you look any better. It's just, this is the funny thing is that he has an explanation for everything and everything seems to be this massive coincidence and it just doesn't seem realistic. At some point, the coincidences are just gonna run out. Exactly. And on a zip drive recovered for evidence among his things, Michael had taken and saved pictures

of the interior and exterior of Holly's home. Why the hell? That's a really weird thing to do. I can't say that I've ever helped anybody move and then just started taking pictures inside their house. of Holly's home. But the first trading thing here is that the DNA that he left on her home somehow was not enough to arrest and convict Michael Horvath because there was still no sign of Holly and no evidence that she had actually been killed.

So police kept quiet about their discovery while her loved ones waited patiently for news. And then in April of 2016, two years and five months after she had vanished without a trace, police questioned Michael a third time. This time, he admitted something that he had not admitted before. At the time of Holly's disappearance, he had been cheating on his wife, Kathy. Michael had called the woman that he had been out with, a woman named Nicole, on the morning of Holly's disappearance, and admitted that he had been seeing her behind

Kathy's back. Police of course also interviewed Nicole and she explained that the two had met on an adult dating website called adultfriendfinder.com. And according to their website, they are quote, the best dating site to find adult singles and swingers for discrete hookups and casual sex. So whether or not Nicole knew that Michael was married is unclear. Also as not to confuse you guys, her bone has not been found yet.

We just gave you like a little sneak peek into the future after three years, so we're not quite there yet. So everything we're about to say and the fact that police don't have enough evidence, it's because her remains have not been found at this point in the story, but that's coming up Nicole's account gave credence to the growing suspicions against Michael Horvath She told police that she had actually cut things off with him because he had made comments that she found disturbing According to Nicole's interview with police, the two were talking between July and November of 2013, the same month that Holly disappeared. She confirmed that they had

spoken on the phone the morning that Holly vanished, and Nicole said that Michael was pursuing a romantic relationship with her, but that she never let it get that far. Their first and only date was in December of 2013 when they met for lunch. They continued to speak online and on the phone. Then, one morning when Nicole was at her job at a grocery store in the Philadelphia area, Michael happened to show up. This guy's always in the right place at the right time, isn't he?

Yeah, right, yeah. So Nicole wound up telling Michael that she could no longer see him and that she had plans that day to go shopping with her boyfriend. She recalls Michael telling her that he wanted to follow them around watching them from a distance while they shopped. So fucking weird. What the fuck? So at this point, she broke things off, you know, understandably.

All of this was enough for investigators to want to search Michael's property for evidence. And after five months of red tape and legalities, police were finally granted a search warrant for the home of Michael and Kathy Horvath in September of 2016. As you can probably guess, what they found was shocking. Michael and Kathy lived in Sailor's Burg, Pennsylvania, which is a census-designated place in the greater area of Ross township, about 40 minutes northeast of where Holly lived with her son, like we mentioned earlier. Recovered from inside Michael's home were a bevy of recordings on both VHS tapes and DVDs. Of, none other than, pornography, but this included disturbing depictions of physical violence, especially against women, and realistic graphic bondage and rape fantasies. Now many of these recordings showed the women being drugged with chloroform before being

sexually assaulted. And investigators also found chloroform on Michael's property. There were also videos staging what police called, quote, hunting for humans. Michael was reportedly obsessed with the TV show Dexter, which, if you're unfamiliar, I mean, you should watch this great show. It did like a crime drama about a serial killer who works as a forensic analyst by day and then commits like vigilante justice murders by night.

And just because he loves this show, to mean there's nothing weird about that. We're just saying it. He pretty much idolized Dexter. And Michael seemed to romanticize serial killers and have the delusion of casting himself as the tortured underdog. There were dozens of sexually explicit magazines and sex

toys. And Michael also owned shackles, handcuffs, tasers, stun guns and hunting guns. Nothing wrong with any of these things as long as it's consensual people. I mean, absolutely, but it is also weird that he has all of these things together like sex toys and stun guns. Well, I think particularly with what's coming up this, you know, and knowing the kind of person that Michael is, it's not a good sign at all. So Kathy herself, who is Michael's wife,

recovered a planner with detailed notes indicating that Michael had been stalking Holly prior to her disappearance. It's not like he even really needed to, I mean, he worked with her for six years. Yeah, it's like all day, five times a week, not enough. So the notes went back over a year before Holly went missing.

And one Pennsylvania state trooper claimed that Michael, quote, lived the life of a hoarder and that his home was in disarray, and therefore, very difficult to search. Probably very stinky in there. Probably was. So Michael's sound proved one trailer on his property for unknown reasons, which is very scary to think about, and he had installed a winch, which is like a device used for hauling or

lifting heavy items, using a crank attached to a wire rope with a hook on the end of it. He claimed that this was for gutting deer that he had killed while hunting. In Kathy's interview with police, she noted something strange from back on November 22, 2013. That morning, Michael had left early for work as usual with Kathy leaving a while later. And remember, this is the morning that Holly went missing. But when Kathy returned home around 4.30 pm, she found evidence that her husband had been home that day, so not that he just left her work but that he had been home, because his muddy shoes had been left in the bedroom and their light was left on. And this of course was odd to Kathy because Michael had left before her and normally wasn't home until after she returned.

So she like, he went to work supposedly, then she left, and then she comes home before him, and there's a light on and his muddy shoes. So she's like, what? Obviously, this was him. Yeah, something's not adding up. Yeah, obviously he came home. And Kathy said that she was shocked

at what she and police found in her home. And that she actually had no idea that her husband had been fantasizing about stalking, hurting, and sexually assaulting women. So all the like stun guns and the sex toys and handcuffs, like she didn't know, supposedly didn't know about any of that. And if she did, she apparently didn't see them as red flags. Right. And his phone records indicated that the call that he made to Nicole, his side, I don't want to say side piece, I don't want to be just respectful to her. His mistress.

Yes, we'll call her that. So his phone records indicated that when he made that call to Nicole, he was near Alan organ again, where he worked. And then later that morning, when he called his employer to tell them that he would be late He was back in the vicinity of his home. So they were able to obviously track that. Yeah, and that's what they did So on October 13th 2016 after combing Michael's property for over two weeks Police came across bone fragments that they believe belonged to

Holly Grimm, buried in a four-foot by four-foot makeshift grave under 18 inches of dirt, large rocks, and the frame of a children's-sized bed. God, that's creepy. Investigators also found teeth, rib bones, vertebrae, and skull fragments. In a nearby fire pit, they found another bone fragment. Testing confirmed that all of these belong to Holly Grimm. Could you imagine being his wife and not knowing about these kind of fantasies and fetishes that he has, if you will, and then also not knowing that

there is a woman buried on your property, like to find all of this out at the same time? Horrible. Horifying. So, Michael Horvath was arrested from his property that day, and thus began a six-year legal battle to prosecute him for the crime. Because only fragments of Holly's bones were recovered, the coroner ruled her death as simply homicidal violence. However, because of the damage done to the bone fragments that they were able to find,

medical examiners ascertained that Holly had been shot through her breastbone, and also likely shot in the head. Pennsylvania State Police Lieutenant Joseph Suckalovsky said, quote, we couldn't make the determination. However, while they weren't confident that they knew exactly how it happened, they were confident that the remains belonged to Holly and that Michael had been the one to murder her.

Joseph also shared, quote, there wasn't one aha moment. We investigated everyone and one by one they were out. They had an alibi and it kept coming back to Mr. Horvath. Michael Horvath was held without bail in a Monroe County, Pennsylvania prison. Jeanette was relieved to finally have answers in the disappearance of her daughter, but she never understood why she couldn't get an explanation from a man who killed her daughter, saying sadly quote,

It's always hard to lose a child, but this, if you could make sense of it, I guess it would help. And remember, she had lost a child previously as well, so very sad that Jeanette had to go through the loss of a son, a daughter, and her husband in such a short span of time. But Jeanette always wanted to stay positive just like her daughter Holly had been. She added, quote, somewhere along the line, there's gotta be some good. And I hope that people take their families and hug them and love them and spend more time with them. Time is precious and everybody knows your children grow up,

but don't let that stop you. Just a phone call. Tell them you love them. Unfortunately, it would be a long road for Holly's friends and family to get the closure that they desired. And some questions, like his motive, would remain unanswered. Michael was charged with kidnapping, murder, abusing a corpse, tampering with evidence, and obstruction of justice. He agreed to forego the presence of a jury at his trial in exchange for taking the death penalty off the table, which was a decision that he left or that left many community members very angry.

Another major delay came when in 2020, Michael fired his defense team and demanded new lawyers. Then, as we all know, the pandemic hit, delaying the case another two years. And finally, this year, 2022, after almost six years in prison, the trial began against Michael Horvath in the abduction and murder of Holly Grimm. Michael continued to maintain his innocence, though the evidence was impossible to deny. His defense attorney offered the flimsy explanation that because no one actually saw Holly being

kidnapped or killed by his client, anyone could have hidden her remains on Michael's large sailors' bird property. What about the blood? What about the phone records? What about the fact that you were late for work? What about the fact that it's his fucking property? I mean, good try, buddy. In sanity. So Michael's legal team even tried to paint Kathy as the real perpetrator, the jealous wife who discovered her husband was dating behind her back and obsessed with his coworker and that she killed Holly for revenge.

His attorney claimed Kathy quote, had the power in the relationship. Kathy claimed that this was a fabrication, that she had no idea what her husband had been up to, and that she was shocked and horrified to find out. Again, why, then why wouldn't Kathy's blood be on the exterior of Holly's home? Right. But one post on Holly's Memorial Facebook actually corroborated the conjecture that she may have been involved. The poster said, quote, I really think Kathy knew. I worked under her for years and she was not a nice person.

Oh my God, that's pretty fun. I always thought that she wasn't right and wondered what she was capable of. She was out to get everyone, even her family. Who knows, but she weren't hiding guns for no reason. I understand the thought that she could be involved, but there's no way she did this on her own. And there's no, I just don't see it. I feel like it was my fault.

Maybe Kathy's just not a nice person, and she's. Or maybe she's just complicit. Like she, I don't see it. I feel like it was Michael. Maybe Kathy's just not a nice person and she's, or maybe she's just complicit like she, I don't know. Maybe she knew about all these things about her husband, but I don't think she did it though. Yeah, definitely. But ultimately, the theories did not hold up. On Thursday, June 8, 2022,

the judge found Michael guilty on all counts except obstruction of justice, claiming that when he had been questioned by police, he was cooperative, so she dropped that particular charge. Now, the prosecution called him a monster, stating, quote, the defendant was fascinated with evil and had a fascination with serial killers, and a lot of serial killer memorabilia. Michael was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole,

and an additional 10 to 20 years for the premeditated kidnapping. But the end of this senseless, unexplainable crime wasn't much comfort to the loved ones that Holly left behind, including her son, Zach, who was 16 when the ordeal started, and 24 when it ended. He shared, quote,

�I�m happy that we got some justice. I�m not sure if I can move on, but we are all going to try� A friend of Holly�s proclaimed, quote, �We�re just so happy that they found him guilty so he can rot in jail the rest of his life. That's what he deserves. Zach filed a wrongful death suit against Michael, seeking damages of at least $50,000. His lawyer stated, quote, by killing Holly, the defendant not only deprived her of her life

and future, but also deprived her only child, Zachary Michael Grimm, of the comfort and society of his mother, as well as other personal and financial benefits that have been denied to him. The Grimm family exhibited nothing but grace to the court, law enforcement, and their community for the help that they received in catching and prosecuting Holly's killer. Her obituary reads, quote, Holly's family would like to extend their gratitude to all the detectives, police officers,

investigators, and community members who have been supporting them, and tirelessly searching for Holly over the past three years. Sadly, in 2017, the Grim family lost their matriarch, and Holly posthumously lost her greatest champion. Jeanette Grim passed away on March 7, 2017, from natural causes at the age of 70. She was relentless in the pursuit of justice for her daughter, and while she didn't get to see the judge put in behind bars for life, she was at least able to see him arrested. Jeanette became the face of resilience and strength in her community.

The president of Alan Oregon, Stephen Marcoitz, said of her passing quote, She always was there to help other employees when they had their challenges in life, and that's why I refer to her as a mother to a lot of these employees. She was very, very close to Holly and got her the job here. In my office, I have some flowers and plants, and she would lecture me on how to take care of them on a daily basis. After she retired, she would always come to my office and she would criticize how I took care of those flowers

and that would always bring a smile to my face. Jeanette lived a full life and the world would be a better place if we were all a little more like Jeanette. I think that anybody that knew her knew that she was a terrific person and set a good example for the human race.

Taking after his grandmother and mom, Zach handled the situation with the utmost strength, telling a reporter after the trial, quote, �I don't want to go so far as to say it's a relief, but it is definitely some weight off the shoulder. I wish we could get some real closure and figure out why this actually happened. Maybe find out where she is, where the rest of her is. While still in the very early stages of his sentence, Michael Horvath continues to maintain his innocence and is expected to appeal his conviction. Thank you so much everybody for listening to this episode of Going West.

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