Going West: True Crime - Noah Presgrove // 407

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

In September of 2023, a 19-year-old man allegedly left a friend’s birthday party after a weekend of fun in Oklahoma. But when someone stumbled upon his body on the side of the road in the early morn...ing hours, brutally killed, numerous police organizations jumped in the help. With everyone at the party keeping quiet about the evening, and deleting all video and photo proof of the night, everyone is left to wonder: What are they hiding? This is the story of Noah Presgrove. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What is going on true crime fans? I'm your host T and I'm your host Daphne and you're listening to going west Hello everybody today's case is very recent and it was recommended by Veronica, Caitlin, Becky and Kylie so thank you guys so much for recommending this one because we have gone down an absolute rabbit hole and things just don't make sense. Yeah and on top of that Noah's family really really needs help right now so thank you for listening and please make sure that you share this story it needs all the attention it can get. It really does and you guys are not gonna believe the details on this one. It is shocking. So let's do it.
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Starting point is 00:02:45 With everyone at the party keeping quiet about the evening and deleting all video and photo proof of the night, everyone is left to wonder, what are they hiding? This is the story of Noah Pressgrove. Noah Pressgrove was born on May 14th, 2004 in Duncan, Oklahoma to Casey Elliott and Victor Pressgrove. He grew up right there in Oklahoma with his siblings, sister Madison and brother Dalen, as well as numerous step-siblings, with Madison and Dalailin being very active in pushing Noah's case into the public light. As a kid, Noah moved around quite a bit, living in other towns and cities in Oklahoma, as well as a brief stint in Texas, before eventually settling into the town of Comanche, Oklahoma,
Starting point is 00:03:58 with his grandmother, Deborah or Debbie Smith. And Comanche is a pretty small town located in the southern region of the state very close to Texas, just about 25 miles from the border, hosting a population of around 1,300 residents. And it's a pretty rural area known for its rolling prairie land, oil fields, ranches, farms, and pecan orchards. So growing up, Noah was known as a country boy through and through. He loved the outdoors and just about anything that had to do with water. He also enjoyed skateboarding and was a very accomplished athlete at Comanche High School,
Starting point is 00:04:36 where he lettered in four different sports. Football, wrestling, track and field, and cross country. His cousin Jessica described Noah as quote, very joyful. He was a jokester. He loved his family. He loved his life. He loved sports. His obituary states quote,
Starting point is 00:04:55 Noah had a very outgoing personality. He was very spontaneous and he was both a country boy and a ladies man. Noah was a true friend to all who knew him. Noah graduated from Comanche High School in May of 2023 with his sights set on joining the military, specifically the Marines. And he and his cousin Travis actually made this pact that they would enlist together and they'd already met with recruiters and had it all planned out, but Noah was just waiting for Travis to graduate in May of 2024 because he was a year younger
Starting point is 00:05:30 than Noah. So they were supposed to get ready to do that this year, but unfortunately, he would never get that opportunity. From September 1st through the 4th of 2023, which was Labor Day weekend, 19-year-old Noah attended a four-day birthday party for a female friend that was turning 22. Now, he had previously considered attending this three-day concert called Rock-La-Holma instead where bands like Pantera, Rob Zombie, Skid Row, and Limp Bizkit performed, just
Starting point is 00:06:00 to name a few of them, with his aunt and uncle and cousins. But he eventually changed his mind when the family members that he'd be attending with Said that they didn't think that it was a good idea for Noah's 16 year old friend to join them there Since they didn't know this friend's family and also because Rocklahoma is like very big for consuming alcohol So they're like we don't really want to bring this 16 year old along with us because there's gonna be a lot of drinking So instead of attending this concert Noah want to bring this 16 year old along with us because there's going to be a lot of drinking So instead of attending this concert noah chose to attend this party The person putting on this party again that female friend Advertised the party on social media including snapchat
Starting point is 00:06:37 So it was known that this was going to be a pretty big gathering that ended up being like 40 people ranging in age gathering that ended up being like 40 people ranging in age. The party officially started on Friday, September 1st, 2023. But from what we could find, Noah did not attend that first night, and instead he went to a Comanche high school football game. On Saturday, September 2nd, Noah drove himself to the party that was located in Terrell, Oklahoma, which is about 30 miles south of Comanche. Now by all accounts, Noah had a really good time celebrating with friends that night, but texted his aunt asking how Rocklaoma was going, saying that he wished that he had gone with them. And that happened to be the very last text that his aunt ever received from him.
Starting point is 00:07:24 The next day, which was Sunday, Noah returned home to shower and check in with his grandmother Debbie, again who he was living with at this time. This next bit of information is somewhat conflicting, but one source states that he left his car at home that day due to an oil leak that his car was experiencing, and then a friend of Noah's picked him up from his home and drove him back to the party that night since it was only about 30 minutes drive away but others say that this friend picked him up and dropped him off at a Sonic restaurant and then Noah walked to a truck stop in
Starting point is 00:07:59 Warika which is about 25 minutes from Terrell where the girl whose party it was had to come give him a ride to the party Herself so not sure why this isn't clear, but either way Noah was back at the party on Sunday night And this is the very first of the inconsistencies in this timeline like We're gonna see this a lot more throughout this episode that nobody can really get certain details correct. Yeah, and you're right. It does start right here before he even gets to the party. Now with this being the last night of this four-day party, because they are gonna party the next day, which is Labor Day, but this is the last actual night, things got a bit rowdy.
Starting point is 00:08:41 The party was pretty heavily documented on social media by the party goers that attended and you can see videos of Noah's last night alive. In some of the videos you can see people playing beer pong, drawing on each other with sharpies and people daring each other to slap each other for amusement like hitting each other in the face. You know typical like teenage party stuff. Yeah the dumb slap game that people play. Yeah, but it wasn't malicious. Like everybody's laughing and nobody's doing it too hard. It's
Starting point is 00:09:11 just, you know, they're just kind of shooting the shit. But anyway, so a lot of drinking was going on that night that led to a few things. For example, one alleged partygoer stated, quote, a confrontation happened between Noah and his best friend. Noah had been in a corner with his best friend's girlfriend, and apparently they had their backs to everyone else while talking. The best friend took exception to this and an argument ensued.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Luckily, it did not become physical and they made up shortly after, but this event with the best friend and his girlfriend is important for later. A second confrontation occurred between Noah and a 16-year-old guest that did become physical. The 16-year-old accused Noah of hiding his phone, although the reasons why he thought Noah did it have not been stated. During the argument, the kid fishhooked Noah and Noah returned the favor by biting his finger. It seems like the other people there were able to defuse the situation and the kid's phone
Starting point is 00:10:11 was found underneath another guest who was sleeping on the couch." And it wasn't confirmed if there was still animosity after this incident or if the situation smoothed over, but I also kind of want to talk about the party more. So we are going to post the videos. It's kind of like a collection of videos that we have online, but it doesn't look that crazy. Like I think originally I was thinking, oh, all the lights are off. There's like a bunch of people sardine packed into this house.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Yeah. You're kind of picturing like a rager going on here. Yeah. But that's not what it was. The lights are on, some people are outside, some people are inside. There's people kind of sparsely placed around the house. It's not super crowded. You know, people are taking videos, singing with Noah, and Noah's dancing in the kitchen, like Noah's being super calm, super chill. Nobody's being that crazy. They're slapping each other. That's as crazy as it gets.
Starting point is 00:11:04 You know, it seems pretty tame in in some regards. Yeah and I definitely wanted to note that Noah's aunt kind of explained that there were between 25 and 40 kids but remember this is a four-day party so kids are kind of coming in and out like trickling in and trickling out. Yeah but I will also say in the videos that Noah's in, everybody seems happy around him. Like I said, girls are taking videos with him and you know, everybody seems good with him. Everybody seems like they know him.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Yeah, exactly. Especially, you know, just from those videos. We don't know what happened throughout the rest of the night, but from what we can see, it doesn't seem like anything too crazy is going on or nothing malicious. Exactly. And at some point that night, and this has been documented through Snapchat videos that were eventually deleted, and we are going to come back to this because it is important that those Snapchats were deleted, people at the party were writing their names on Noah's body.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Now, it was reported that some girls at the party wrote, Noah's hot on his butt, reported that some girls at the party wrote Noah's hot on his butt, signing their names on his torso, and one person drew a penis on his lower back. But he is awake for this, there's a part of a video is of this happening, people signing his butt, and he's like standing up accepting it. He's not, this isn't against his will. Right, yeah, they're just they're just kind of having fun. So after this event Noah and his best friend Jack Newton whose name has been publicly released
Starting point is 00:12:29 Decided to go driving around this rural property in a John Deere UTV Gator side-by-side that was owned by Jack it seemed like Jack had driven this Gator out to the party Now it appears that Noah had been driving and either flipped or nearly flipped that gator but either way he had some kind of minor injuries from this ride. And according to other party goers he was covered in dirt. Remember this. Now after this happened Noah returned to the party and was checked out by a nurse who was there assuming this person was also a partygoer, who basically
Starting point is 00:13:05 said that he was okay. You know, there weren't any big injuries here. He was totally fine. Now after this, things get a bit more fuzzy, but we'll try to piece together, you know, a timeline of what we know. So after the Gator incident, people from the party claimed that they helped shower Noah off, but nobody could give police a consistent story. Some said that they showered him because of the dirt on him from wrecking the Gator.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Some said that they showered him to remove the Sharpie drawings from his body, and some say that it was both. And it was also conflicting as to what state Noah was in at this time and why others were helping him get cleaned up. Yeah, why are other people showering him? Yeah, kinda weird. Some say that he was coherent but a little bit drunk and just kinda having a good time, and others say that he was nearly unconscious when the shower occurred. Also, nobody could explain exactly who gave him the shower that night, because there were
Starting point is 00:14:05 three different stories. It was either the girls at the party, two of his guy friends, or just one of his guy friends. Why is this conflicting? Like, how is this? It's not that hard. It's not that hard. Who did it?
Starting point is 00:14:19 Yeah. So from that point on, as was relayed by other partygoers, Noah apparently tried to sleep in the birthday girl's bed, but an argumenters, Noah apparently tried to sleep in the birthday girl's bed, but an argument ensued and she made him sleep on the floor instead. We don't know exactly what time this happened, but it's said that it was just after 2am, and afterwards, Noah left the house feeling upset. The next, the very next point that we have in this very shaky timeline happens at 3.41am, when the host of the party and the birthday girl posts a snapchat of herself smirking
Starting point is 00:14:53 with a caption that reads, well, Noah's missing. And this photo has not been released to the public so we can't post it or see it ourselves, but every report says that this is what the photo included. But this makes it seem like at first when people couldn't find Noah, it wasn't necessarily a big concern. Like, well, Noah is missing. It's a very casual way to put it, which is probably why she had like a smile or a smirk on her face. Or some people think this was kind of like a put on. It's a little confusing.
Starting point is 00:15:26 Yeah, it definitely is. And you know, the kids at this party are going to say later that this is just something that Noah did when he got upset. They said this was very typical of Noah to do. He would just like blow off some steam and go for a walk. But yeah, all the kids are saying it like they know that this always happens with him. Well, here's where things take a very tragic and suspicious turn. Shortly after 5 a.m. on Monday, September 4th, so about an hour and a half after this Snapchat photo about Noah being missing was posted,
Starting point is 00:16:01 a truck driving through Terrell on US Highway 81 noticed something on the side of the road. Now before we go into that, I want to say around 5 a.m. it was still dark. The sun didn't rise until just after 7 a.m. that day. And also this is just a two-lane highway. It's surrounded by flat fields. It's a very flat area. So seeing something on the side of the road would have been very easy. Yeah, this is just pure farmland. So there's nothing going on in this area. So seeing something on the side of the road would have been very easy. Yeah, this is just pure farmland, so there's nothing going on in this area. Like you just said, it's just field on one side, field on the other, two-lane highway right down the middle. Yes, and especially in a truck he would have been able to see a little bit better with his headlights, and he just notices
Starting point is 00:16:40 something on the side of the road. So at first, the driver drove past what he believed to be a person. So he circled back to confirm. Within that same moment, two other vehicles stopped to accompany the truck driver. And there, on the shoulder of the road, was the lifeless body of 19-year-old Noah Presgrove. Noah was found in the fetal position, completely naked except for two shoes on his feet. But strangely, the shoes were mismatched. One shoe was a slip-on Hey Dude brand shoe and the other was a lace-up Adidas shoe. Beside his body was a pair of shorts that were neatly folded and strangely as well, they were his best friend's athletic shorts.
Starting point is 00:17:32 Noah had blunt force trauma to the back of his head. He had scrapes on his left shoulder as well as his left hip. And it was reported that his fingertips were shredded nearly to the bone. Noah's teeth had been knocked out and laid next to his body. And to make things even more weird, there was very little blood at the scene aside from a small amount around his injuries. Noah also suffered a lot of internal injuries including 10 broken ribs,
Starting point is 00:18:04 serious skull, neck, and spine fractures, internal bleeding, and brain and organ damage. I mean this is incredibly brutal. It's beyond. Yeah, I mean it's honestly horrifying that he was found in this particular shape. Yeah, and that there are so, so many things wrong. Also for reference, it was in the 60s and 70s throughout the night because the days were getting up to a hundred degrees in the area so it wasn't cold overnight it was actually quite
Starting point is 00:18:32 warm for anybody wondering but yeah I mean what a strange and disturbing scene and to think about all of his injuries and then remember that he's naked he has two different shoes on and the shorts are found neatly by his body. It's just so puzzling. Yeah, and I will say that at the party there was quite a few guys that had their shirts off that night because, you know, it's a pretty warm night. They're all partying, having fun. So it's not very strange that he doesn't have a t-shirt on when he's found, but it's strange that the shorts are not his and they're folded up next to his body.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Well, and that he's completely naked otherwise. He doesn't have, you know, boxers on or shorts, and then he has both shoes on as we're going to get into, but yeah, all the photos that we're going to post of him from the party, he is already shirtless. So the citizens who found him called police right away, and officers proceeded to the scene at 6am. Now, I know what some of you guys are probably thinking here. That this was a clear case of hit and run,
Starting point is 00:19:35 and even police thought that that was the case at first as well. You know, you've got a 19 year old man found on the side of a desolate highway, who left this rural party in the middle of the night. He walked down the property's driveway which is about a half mile long and he was found about one mile from the house. But let's get into why police and Noah's family no longer believed that this was a hit and run case.
Starting point is 00:19:59 When an autopsy report was conducted, It revealed some very interesting things. First, Noah's blood alcohol level was measured at 0.14, which is pretty high, but there were also no drugs found in his system. Yeah, so for the alcohol, that's just almost twice over the legal limit, but not drunk enough to be unconscious. Yeah, you're not going to be completely blackout here. Oklahoma Chief Medical Examiner, Leonardo Riquero, said that Noah died from quote multiple blunt force injuries, but he
Starting point is 00:20:33 ruled the manner of death undetermined because he basically just couldn't figure out how exactly this occurred. Here's a bit more of a detailed list of injuries that may be kind of upsetting to some, so if this is too graphic for you, please skip ahead. In this autopsy report, it states, quote, There was one extensive skull fracture running across his head, splitting the middle base of the skull into two, and two smaller ones,
Starting point is 00:21:03 with police investigators describing his head as being quote caved in. He had about 20 milliliters or 0.68 ounces of blood pooled inside his head from a brain bleed, damaged to four parts of the brain itself. There was also air in both his cranial cavity and spinal cord, extremely rare conditions only caused by massive head trauma. Both lungs were punctured and he had internal injuries to his heart, spleen, and stomach, and internal bleeding of at least 1,550 milliliters, about 3.2 pints. The skin on the left side of his scalp
Starting point is 00:21:45 was torn off to the bone, and a clump of hair and skin was found in the middle of the highway. Additionally, a clump of hair was observed on the right buttock without blood or tissue. Both his upper and lower teeth were broken with few fragments and found inside the mouth, and the others strewn across the road several feet from his body. He was bleeding out of his ears and had a cut on his
Starting point is 00:22:13 lower lip and one on his tongue. Noah's C1, C2, C6, C7 vertebrae were fractured to varying degrees and C1 was displaced, indicating a seriously broken neck of the same kind that people who were executed by hanging suffer. He had road rash on his upper back and abrasions from grazes on his left shoulder, left arm, left side of his torso, and both buttocks. Other grazes were on his left eyebrow, corner of the left eye and left cheek, left ear, right neck, and behind his right ear. Those injuries are so extensive and extreme. Yeah, completely brutal. It's just so hard to understand how all of those things could happen to him, but here are the reasons why the medical examiner doesn't believe that Noah's death was a hit and run.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Now first, there was no debris or vehicle parts at the scene, either in the roadway or off to the side of the road. There were no skid marks in the road, and you'd imagine that if you hit a person traveling at a high speed In this case the speed limit for that two-lane highway is 65 miles per hour It would be enough to knock the shoes off of someone's feet, but that didn't occur in fact They were the only articles of clothing on his body and especially a hey, dude Slipper style shoe like that would fly off very easily You know as shoes often do in accidents. Yeah, I mean, this is a slip-on shoe
Starting point is 00:23:49 It doesn't take very much for a shoe like this to fall off of someone's foot absolutely there were however Three pieces of a white metal chain and a tooth fragment just a few feet from Noah's body Interestingly the shoes that Noah was wearing had grass and other debris lodged inside of them. It was reported that the Adidas shoe did belong to Noah, but the other shoe was a partygoer's. And also with little to no blood found at the scene and all the other strange consistencies,
Starting point is 00:24:24 for me, hit and run isn't even on the table Like shouldn't even be a part of the discussion and I understand at first they have to rule it out But there is just no way. I mean I do completely understand that at first glance, you know By the side of the road by the side of the road, you know, this is a desolate highway again He left at night as we said, so yeah, it's a desolate highway again. He left at night, as we said. So, yeah, it's kind of easy to be like, well, he probably got hit by a car. But without that blood there, it's just like, how could you get hit by a truck or a car going 65 miles per hour?
Starting point is 00:24:58 And there isn't pools of blood surrounding your body. There was just almost no blood at the scene. Yeah. And there is so much more that points away from this. So, an internist named Dr. Stuart Fisher determined that, quote, the injuries were so catastrophic and varied that him being mortally wounded in a severe beating was the most likely cause. He also stated, quote, the poor kid never had a chance. My guess would be injury by several different things at the same time, namely several different people at the same time.
Starting point is 00:25:34 And Dr. Fisher was also very confused by the lack of blood at the scene saying, quote, Well maybe the body was moved. There would be pools of blood and if you're not seeing that, an explanation could be that's what happened. It was also fairly interesting that there was hardly any damage to Noah's lower body, things like his feet and legs, which you imagine would have been hit if he was indeed hit by a car. So, now that we know the extent of Noah's injuries, let's talk about the suspicions surrounding these friends that he was at the party with.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Somehow it was discovered that even before Noah's body was ever found, the Snapchats and posts on social media from the party were all deleted by the partygoers that posted them. So suspicious. Yeah, which just makes us wonder, why would they do that if they had no idea what happened to Noah? When asked why Noah's best friend's shorts were found folded up next to him, people from the party said that during the UTV accident, where, you know, he flipped the gator, Noah's clothes got dirty, so after showering him off, he put his friend's shorts on. As to why they were folded up next to his body and not on his body is still a complete mystery.
Starting point is 00:27:25 Then to make things even more suspicious, the girlfriend of Noah's best friend, who he was seen with in the corner of the party talking together that caused that argument, she told police that she had never even met Noah at all, let alone spoke to him that night. She also completely cleared her phone, so much so that she even accidentally deleted her boyfriend's phone number. I mean, what would be the reason to do such a thing? Well, here's the part that gets pretty frustrating.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Police investigating Noah's death never even searched the house where the party took place, stating, quote, Noah wasn't found there. And when police asked what happened to the clothes that Noah was originally wearing at the party, one person said that Noah's best friend's dad cut up the clothing and distributed pieces of them to the party attendees as, quote, mementos. If that's true, that is such a weird and inappropriate thing to do.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Yeah, like this is an investigation. Police definitely should have tried to locate that clothing to see if there was any blood or anybody else's DNA on it. And that just didn't happen. Like, this guy just cut it up and gave it to these partygoers. And this is according to his aunt and cousin who spoke on this. Also, Noah's wallet has never been found. And it's really unfortunate that the house wasn't searched, especially since the actual crime scene has not been determined.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Like it feels most likely to be somewhere up at the house, whether inside or outside. So that would have been a very important place to search, but I do want to remind everybody that the driveway is a half a mile long, right? So you consider that half mile and then you go down the road a mile and that's where Noah was found.
Starting point is 00:29:13 So he was found like a mile and a half away from the house. Yeah, and it's just interesting to me that I guess there was some sort of law that said that the property was protected because they couldn't prove whether or not a crime took place on the property so that's why they didn't enter. Right, which is just still unfortunate if they couldn't because it feels like there would be evidence in that house. So even though police didn't search the property they did interview the kids from the party and every one of them maintained that they had no idea what happened to Noah, but they also never reached out to Noah's family to share their condolences.
Starting point is 00:29:52 And none of them have posted about getting justice for Noah, even though so many people at the party knew him, which to me just reeks of we all know what happened. So we're not going to talk about Noah at all. So as you can imagine, investigators were a bit stuck here with no one from the party willing to talk. Thus, they went a different route and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol set up a geofence they obtained from a warrant in order to track phones that were at the property that night.
Starting point is 00:30:24 And for those who don't know, a geofence is quote, a virtual geographic boundary defined by GPS and RFID technology that enables software to trigger a response when a mobile device enters or leaves a particular area. So OHP had about a mile and a half boundary from the party house to work with, and disturbingly, it was revealed that two phones at some point in the night were traced as leaving the house and heading to the location where Noah's body was found. After being at that location for a short while, these two phones, or two individuals, headed back to the house.
Starting point is 00:31:06 It has not been publicly revealed who these two phones belonged to, but could this have been when Noah's body was being dumped? I think it's very, very possible. When asked why anyone would have been in that location, one attendee said that a few people took the UTV or the Gator to the area to look for Noah. But if this was truly the case, they would have found him extremely easily, because the phones were in the exact location that Noah's body would later be found.
Starting point is 00:31:39 OHP also issued a warrant for a black pickup truck that may have been used to dump Noah's body. And remember that there was hardly any blood at the scene, indicating that Noah must have been killed elsewhere and then dumped by the side of the road. So we're only led to wonder what this black pickup truck had to do with this crime and who owned it. It was also said that the grandfather of the girl who lived at the house owns a lot of property in this area and advised the girl to lawyer up immediately and Every single person that was at that party and interviewed Maintained that it had to be a hit-and-run Even though detectives confirmed that they were 100% sure that this was not a hit-and-run
Starting point is 00:32:21 And why would the friends push for it to be a hit and run as if they saw it happen? Like, in my opinion, if you're being interviewed for a crime and you push a personal theory with no eyewitness account, it's suspicious. Yeah, and none of them have let it go to this day. They continue to push that this was a hit and run.
Starting point is 00:32:41 They continue to say that this was an accident. Which nobody would do if they're trying to get justice for their friend who died in a very mysterious and brutal way. Exactly. And I also wanted to add that the very same day that Noah died, the father of Noah's best friend told kids from the party that Noah's family was mad at them and that they needed to stay away from Noah's family. And this is the same guy who cut up the shirt? Yes.
Starting point is 00:33:05 But Noah's family at that point didn't even know all the details yet. And were under the assumption that it was a hit and run. So this seems kinda odd. And also, I wanna add, that this is the same father, according to Noah's aunt, that had picked up Noah's tooth from the roadway as well, which- This guy is doing so much weird shit. Yeah, like, what are you doing? You're contaminating evidence, you're fucking up the crime scene. Just stop, you know?
Starting point is 00:33:31 It was also noted that the property smelled of a strong bleach smell, but we have no idea who reported this. It's hard to believe that on that Sunday night, all 40 attendees were still at the party party as we kind of talked about earlier. I mean, we can assume that some of them were there while others must have headed back to their houses that night or before that night. You know, not everybody stayed for the entire weekend. So who was still left at that party when Noah left the house and how many of
Starting point is 00:34:02 them were there. And again, check out the videos that we posted on our socials. You can get a better idea of how many people are there. I mean, I never saw more than 10 people in an area or a room or a section at a time. So I doubt that there were that many more. Now it was reported that the Texas Rangers became involved in the investigation when it was discovered that a couple people who attended the party were actually from Texas. And remember, again, this party was very, very, very close to the Texas Oklahoma border. But it has not been made public who these individuals are and if they're believed to
Starting point is 00:34:37 be involved. Now let's go back to Noah's best friend, again, Jack Newton, because rumors and speculation have swirled that he and his father, again the guy that's doing all this weird stuff, could have potentially been involved. And to be clear, we are not accusing Jack or his father, this has just been speculated by the community in and around Comanche and Terrell. Jack was one of the first people at the scene of Noah's death on the day he died and has told news outlets that he believes Noah's death was an accident.
Starting point is 00:35:11 He was given a polygraph test in which he did pass, but in an interview Jack said, quote, We went back through the questions three or four times. I think the reason I got brought into it is because in high school we were always together. He lived with us for a while, but I don't know where all the crazy talk is coming from. People say it's easy to pass a polygraph. You can't control what people say about it. I put my personal number on Facebook saying if you want to talk about it, I'll talk about it."
Starting point is 00:35:44 But Noah's grandmother fired back stating in an interview quote, He was beat in the head so many times. It couldn't have been by a car. It's hard to believe he could have friends like that stabbing you in the back. In my heart, I pray to God Jack had nothing to do with it. That was Noah's best friend. Where was he? Well, according to Jack he was sleeping when Noah left the party Noah's funeral was held on Monday, September 11th at 2 p.m. In the Comanche High School gymnasium
Starting point is 00:36:18 Where nearly 1,000 people attended Then he was laid to rest at the Fairlawn Cemetery in Comanche. The community has really gathered together in the fight for justice for Noah, passing out flyers, creating banners and t-shirts, and even setting up events to raise funds. A scholarship fund was also set up in Noah's honor that would help Comanche seniors with college tuition. But not only that, some of the money raised went towards Comanche high school students that couldn't afford athletic equipment
Starting point is 00:36:50 like wrestling shoes, track cleats, et cetera. There was also a memorial car show held for Noah that helped raise money to go towards the scholarship fund. On May 14th of this year, 2024, on what should have been Noah's 20th birthday, a balloon release took place where friends and family showed up to the Fairlawn Cemetery and sang him happy birthday. People who didn't even know Noah personally, they showed up to pay their respects. Noah's mother Casey said, quote, It makes me feel like I raised a good boy. Good man. It brings a smile to my face and joy to my heart that he had a good head on his shoulders, and I'm proud of that.
Starting point is 00:37:33 At this moment in time, Noah's family continues to fight for answers, and they say that good things are going on behind the scenes, but that it is far from over. Even though OHP and OSBI or Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation going on behind the scenes, but that it is far from over. Even though OHP and OSBI, or Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, and the Texas Rangers are involved, Noah's death still has not been labeled as a homicide, but continues to be labeled as suspicious yet undetermined. It has been reported that detectives do have a few suspects and persons of interest, but
Starting point is 00:38:04 they are keeping those details close to their chest right now. Noah's brother, Daylin, said, quote, It doesn't make sense that the investigation has been going on for so long and there were so many people around and yet there's still so much uncertainty. And it doesn't make sense that a good person like Noah is gone in such a cruel and unknown way. It is pretty clear based on the information that's been made available to the public and the information that Noah's family has obtained that things truly are not adding up here.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Let's briefly talk about some of the theories that have circulated and pose some questions that we have regarding Noah's case. One of the most prevalent theories is that something happened at that house party and due to the fact that underage kids were drinking, they felt the need to cover it up so that they wouldn't get in trouble. Or, you know, an accident occurred and they didn't want to get in trouble for that either, so they still covered it up. Some people think that Noah could have severely injured himself, possibly when the UTV rollover happened,
Starting point is 00:39:07 and that in order to cover up the situation, some of the partygoers decided to remove him from the property by dumping him on the roadside. I mean, it's pretty suspicious that all the media taken from the party that night was deleted so quickly, and again, before Noah was even found. I totally agree, but I do find it hard to believe that this all happened on the UTV.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Like to me, this does not add up to like a flip over. Well, I will say that Noah's aunt described that the OHP did take a look at this Gator, this UTV. And they said that there wasn't any Damage really that they could tell on the gator and so but they did check it out But by the end of that day they gave the gator back to Jack So it was back in Jack's possession by the end of the day, but still they were able to kind of glean that Okay, it doesn't seem like whatever happened to him happened on the Gator, right? well
Starting point is 00:40:07 then we have to go back to the black truck because You have to wonder if police are looking for this truck because it's what was used to possibly transport Noah's body from the house a mile and a half down the road to where it was eventually dumped because obviously The bed of a truck would have been a lot easier to clean and transport than the interior of a car. Yeah, like imagine putting somebody's body in a car where blood could potentially soak into the interior or seats or something. Exactly. And then there's also the theory that a fight may have taken place and Noah was beaten to death at the party during a fight.
Starting point is 00:40:45 Now we can see from these deleted videos that police were able to recover that the party was getting not I mean, it wasn't, again, super rowdy. But there were some arguments that we know of. There was that slapping game. So could any of these have escalated in some way that led to his death. We also know that a few men from Texas were there that night so is it possible that Noah didn't know these guys and you know they somehow got involved in an altercation that led to his death? I mean it's possible yeah I mean I don't know if
Starting point is 00:41:18 people knew these these guys from Texas that were at the party or not I don't know how close they were to these guys but it kind of seems like the Texas Rangers are involved because they speculate that something could have happened there. Well and again with with everything that happened to his body like we really have to think about all those horrible details that Heath relayed from the autopsy report about his head you know his scalp, the fact that his, the tips of his fingers were worn down almost to the bone. Like this was so brutal in so many different ways that it feels like, and even the internalist
Starting point is 00:41:58 had said that it seemed like multiple people had beaten Noah at the same time. For it to get so brutal like that though, it makes you wonder why? Like what is the motive here? Yeah, and it's just really interesting to me that not only did the medical examiner say this, but an internalist said this, police have said this. So everybody's in the same consensus that, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:22 obviously it was not a hit and run, but something else occurred here. So what happened? We also, going back really quick to the fingertips injury. So some people wonder if the black truck could be involved because he was being dragged by this truck. And maybe he was trying to, you know, get a grip of the ground with his fingers.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Which could explain those couple links of that white chain that were found near his body. Yeah, and then that gravel rash that was found on his back. I mean, it wasn't bad enough for them to say, oh, he was definitely dragged, but we do know that the long driveway that led to the party house was a gravel road. So that's really interesting and makes you kind of wonder if he was dragged
Starting point is 00:43:07 even for a short period of time. Yeah. And it was also noted that they didn't find any like pebbles of gravel in his back. They just said that it was quote, gravel rash. So yeah. It's so hard to figure out. Like it's so confusing. It really is. And then apparently this is unconfirmed, but there have been reports that there were golf clubs missing from someone's truck that night.
Starting point is 00:43:28 So you have to wonder if possibly those could have been involved as well. Yeah, I read that they might have been Jack's golf clubs, but obviously we don't know. This is pure speculation. Either way, I would find it so hard in this case to believe that Noah was not beaten to death. Like these injuries are so severe, the people at the party are being so suspicious, everything they're doing is just off to me. Like every single move they're making is off. Exactly. Nobody wants to talk, but you know, at the end of the day, guilt is a hell of a thing and it will eat you alive. so I have a feeling that somebody will come forward at some point and and you know finally give Noah's family some
Starting point is 00:44:09 answers but you know there are so many possibilities as to what occurred that night but what we do know for a fact is that Noah was not killed in a hit-and-run and this entire case is incredibly fishy and disturbing there's a common consensus that the kids at the party know way more than they have let on, but we're going to post a map of the area in which Noah's body was found, as well as where this house was located in relation. So if you'd like to get a better visual, go check out our socials, we're on Instagram at Going West Podcast, and we're also on Facebook. It's now been nine months since Noah's death, and his family are desperate for answers.
Starting point is 00:44:51 The pressure is really on right now, and that's why we encourage all of you guys to please share Noah's story because we see how beneficial it is when cases like this garner a ton of attention. If you have any information about the suspicious death of Noah Presgrove, please contact OHP at 405-522-7000 or you can reach out to the OSBI at 405-848-6724 and you can also contact the Texas Rangers at 817-533-1723. Thank you so much everybody for listening to this episode of Going West. Yes, thank you guys so much for listening. Make sure you go check out the photos and the maps that I just talked about and make
Starting point is 00:45:49 sure that you share Noah's story. I can't say it enough. His family really, really, really needs help and they're just trying to put his case out there as much as possible. And I cannot imagine how they feel. Like I almost cried reading the autopsy report the first time because it is so sad what he endured and we don't know how much of it he endured while he was alive. So it is devastating what happened to Noah.
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