Good Guys - Anna Wintour vs. The Knicks

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Mazel morons! We’re back to the original recipe after a certain someone flakes on the pod. We debate whether oatmeal is actually healthy, why flavored coffee has disappeared from New York City, and whether Timothée Chalamet made the right call skipping the Met Gala for the Knicks game. Plus, airline snack discourse, Spirit Airlines shutting down, steak and popcorn as a food combo, terrifying NYC puddles, and Ben’s passionate rant about leaving park gates open. What are ya nuts? Love ya!  Write us! Send your messages to [e-mail]  Follow us on Instagram and TikTok!  Sponsors: Visit www.xyzal.com for more information If you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at MINTMOBILE.com/goodguys  Go to IM8HEALTH.com/GOODGUYS and use code GOODGUYS for a Free Welcome Kit, five free travel sachets plus ten percent off your order Get 25% Off Cowboy Colostrum with code GOODGUYS at http://cowboycolostrum.com/goodguys  Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The following podcast is a dear media production. Mazumorans, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. Josh Dumail flaked on us. By the way, whatever. Honestly, I hope all guests flake on us. Listen, guests, okay? We're doing you a favor, okay? We want to do the podcast, just the two of us.

You email, hey, can I come in the show? Sure, we'll let you on the show because you ask. But if you, we would much rather you don't come on. This is the magic, okay? Unless you're Robbie Hoffman, stay off our show or Joey Kamasta or who else, Josh? Ariana Grande, I guess like Demi Lovato. Stay off our show unless you're like Brad Pitt or Jake Shane. Stay off our show.

Unless your Queen Latifah, right? Like, stay off. All royalties welcome. Yeah, all royalties welcome. Also, like, come on our show, but like don't like. You choose both big and tall, no subject, too small for the good guys. A mother's dream, premium podcast team, make it your weekly routine. It's a good guys.

And if you don't give us five stars, what are you nuts? What are you nuts? Yeah, we're the good guys. We're just a good guy. You know what this is, Ben? This is the OR, the original recipe. And that's what people like. This is, this is, this is it.

This is what's most important. Josh, I have a very important question for you. Because I've been thinking about it a lot. I've recently started eating oatmeal in the morning. And I know, first I'm going to jump to the very end. No, I'm not putting brown sugar and honey and all this stuff in it. I'm not. So I'm asking you, is oatmeal at the surface?

Is it truly healthy? Or have I convinced myself that it's, healthy. I'm going to pliables. I'm getting a steel cut oatmeal, a couple of strawberries, a couple of blueberries and slivered almonds. Tell me. You're not using anything to sweeten it, zero? Zilch. And how's your life? I'm enjoying it. You know, the blueberries and the strawberries are pretty tasty. And the problem with me, Josh, is if I add a drizzle of honey, then I want a glob of peanut butter, and then I want a candied nut, and then all of a sudden it's dessert. But you're telling me oatmeal on the surface, oatmeal is healthy, for sure.

Yeah, they say it's a heart healthy food. It lowers your cholesterol or it can lower your cholesterol. I think, yeah, a nice rolled oat or an Irish cut oat is quite healthy. I mean, you know, there's always going to be the anti-carb freaks who are like, what do you mean? That's peasant food. But just can, it's also fun because you can take it and feel like you're in Oliver. Can I have some more place?

I love it. More porridge for the little. I love it, Josh. I've been eating it, and I think it might just be my toxic relationship with food. I remember a time where I was 290 pounds and I was pounding the Quaker oats pre-made, like cinnamon apple. Yum. And brown sugar ones. Dinosaur eggs.

You get the kids one? Yes, I would have, I would have like 10 of them. And when I'm thinking about it, like, that was probably like 3,000 calories in oatmeal that I was eating. So now, of course, I flipped it all the way to the other side. I'm asking you stupid-ass questions like his unsweetened oatmeal healthy. Shut up, Ben. Shut up! You do.

It is signaling some unhealthy food habits because it's just like, I remember asking Jeff Garland, who's a much different food addict than we are. But he said this and it's stuck. with me. He's like, I don't do sugar. He's like, I am addicted to sugar. I cannot do white refined sugar. And I can't really do white flour. Those are the things that I stay away from. And he looked at me and he goes, but do I put ketchup on my eggs? Yeah. ketchup didn't do this. Okay. And I was like, fucking a right. So again, yes, if it's going to unleash the crack in, don't do the drizzle of honey. but I do a very kind of calorie dense oatmeal, but I like it, and I feel like it's all,

like I'll happily do that scoop of peanut butter in there. So that's like the oats itself are about 200 calories, give or take, and then I'll do the scoop of peanut butter that's anywhere from like 100 to 150. Then I might do a prime protein milk. Why? Because it sweetens it and it's 2 grams of sugar. And so I could throw it.

in half of that, that's 15 grams of protein, 75 calories. So now we're up to about 425. And I might dust it. I might finish it with some chia seeds. Keep it moving, you know? And it's that fun, yummy boba-e texture to a... And then, yeah, you got to do a little fruits too. So maybe it's clocking in at 600 calories, but it is dense.

You are good all day on that. You're soaking your chia seeds, correct? You got to soak. These aren't dry. You got a soak. I heard, look, by the way, people, if you're eating straight, cheese seeds thinking you're being healthier, they're coming straight out in your poop. They're doing nothing for you.

Okay? You got to hydrate these seeds. Then all of a sudden they expand in your gut and they're having a nice party. And that's what apparently makes you feel good for you. We're health gurus, okay? We really are health gurus. Do you make your oatmeal at home? I do, but it's microwave.

It's ready cook oats. It's not like, I'm not, I'm one of my simmyings. You're not steal. No, no, no. That's too much. But you don't go to a place for it. Like what you're talking about, you're making. I do. Yeah, yeah. You can microwave it though. Or, you know, I am rich. I'm a rich person. And I'm in a very high

percentile tax wise. So I have the faucet that does the filtered water and the immediate boil. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. That's nice. The immediate, the immediate boil is a real game changer. It's a real game changer. Things like this, like ice in your freezer that doesn't taste like the bottom of a kimchi can. And that spout is like real signs of wealth to me. And both those things can be accomplished for less than $1,000. But to me, it's like, whoa, we made it. Yeah, it's like me with the ceiling fan.

Like, you have a ceiling fan. You're fucking rich. Okay? You're rich because you thought of it. Okay? You took enough time to install that beautiful $35 ceiling fan from Home Depot, which could go up. You could get one that's a bunch of seashells, Josh.

You get, he gets something gorgeous. But let me tell you, it's the intent you thought to put in the hot water. You thought to have non-smelly ice. There's nothing worse than smelly ice. And I go to your house and you give me a cup of smelly ice. I'm never, ever asking you for a drink again. Because no one is changing the filter in the refrigerator and I'll stand on business, period. Yeah.

Of course not. Who does? Not me. I'm not changing the filter in anything. I'm not an engineer. No, I'm not changing the filter in anything. I did have today, Josh. I had-

Whirlpool? Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Do I work for fucking frigid air? It's so funny that they expect you to do those things. Today I had my building. This is a big perk, Josh. They come up and they change the filters in the air conditioner.

Big perk. Wow. Big perk. That is a full building service. Let me tell you, came in, redid it. All of a sudden, my apartment's actually cool. You're thinking your air conditioner is broken. Your air conditioner isn't broken.

Your filters are clogged with dust, so nothing can get out of the dust. Clean your filters. So in Southern California, or at least I can speak to Los Angeles in my little sphere, the Israelis have a basically combina. They have the market cornered on two things. on air conditioning vent replacement and on solar panels. If your solar panels

weren't put in by a guy named Aviv, they're probably working and the ones Aviv did are not. But Aviv said, listen, you want to be good to the climate. But they come in and these are like my dear friends and their uncles would be like

they would come in with this little combino where they would, you know, it's true. Most people are not changing the of filters that are in their air conditioning enough, right? It truly probably needs to be changed every two, twice a year. But they would come in and they would take the filters out, which were definitely dirty, but maybe they'd have a little dirt in their pocket too.

And they'd be like, oh my God. Excuse me, excuse me, miss. You see this? Come on, you're breathing this. It's crazy. We have to replace. I cannot let you live like this. It's so good.

Come on, ma'am, it's crazy. They also have a, they completely cornered the market, at least in South Florida, locksmith, okay? Yeah. You can't find a non-Israeli locksmith. And let me tell you,

they're wonderful, a cornering market. In New York? And locks. There's, there's no market cornered in New York, by the way. You call every single person

that you call completely different. And they all probably have cornered their own markets. There are just so many markets. Right. One person you call Hungarian. The next guy, Slovenian. The next guy, I haven't found an Israeli locksmith in New York. Not that I'm calling that many locksmiths. It sounds like I'm changing my locks every day. But I've spoken to these plumbers. Typically Russian. I found only Russian plumbers in New York. Yeah, there's a lot of blue collar jobs are cornered by, I feel like, the Slavic community in, in New York. So plumbers, electricians, certain things like that.

But you're right, it's multicultural, and it's really being the amazing immigrant community of any major city who are these, like, hardworking people who, the truth is, are willing to do some of the hard jobs that others aren't. But you think about, like, bodegas growing up, like it was one type of people who ran a bodega. But now it's, like, totally multicultural.

Like, you could be Dominican or Puerto Rican, you could be Pakistani or Indian, or you could be Korean. Like there's every nationality is represented in our wonderful New York corner stores. Yeah. And they have, they're running the greatest businesses.

Bodegas aside, that's probably a tough fucking business. These HVAC guys, these plumbers, these guys killing it on task, grab it. These are amazing, amazing businesses that aren't going to be overtaken by AI.

They don't have to worry, Josh. We have to worry. They don't have to worry. They're using their hands. AI can't change your can't fix your toilet. Maybe it can't yet. How would that even work? I'm trying to think about that.

Maybe you just like have like a robot. Yeah. Fuck. God, they're screwed. No, it's all. The issue is is that there will be a person.

I just dealt with this with getting my, I have a warranty on my LG television, which is the second time within three years has crapped out on me. Thankfully, I bought it at Costco. I should have went with Samsung with the Samsung Galaxy S25, I have so many frames. That's actually how you know you're rich.

Frame TVs. They are fantastic. They are right. Samsung. Yeah. Oh, Josh. And when it's not on, you have Monet. Okay.

You have Picasso. I love it. It's great. People come in there like, is that a Picasso? No, no, literally nobody does that. Okay, they know it's your frame TV. I know that you think that it's really good.

Oh, is that a Picasso? Like, no, it's like a perfect rectity. It's not a Picasso. And it's in the place where a TV should be. There's literally a remote control under it. It's not a Picasso. You think we're watching the Knicks on the Picasso? Idiot.

You think I'd give up perfectly good TV space for a Picasso. Right. Please. But the space between me getting a repair person to come out. And I got to tell you, buying it at Costco, I felt so good. The first time I went down a year ago, I was like, oh, great. like a $2,000 TV now I have to get a new one. And it was like, oh no, it came with a five-year warranty.

Amazing. It was pretty easy the first time. Same thing happened a year later. I call and it literally takes five calls, different follow-ups, talking to all these different people and call centers all over around the world to finally get like Joe to come by, which is coming this week, to come in and fix it. But I was laughing. I was dying.

I was thinking about my dear boy, Ben, and laughing at myself and how you would have laughed at me. Because I was talking to the wonderful person, Mo, at the call center in Pakistan, and we're chatting, you know, yent-dying it up. And I said, where, he goes, where are you located, sir? I said, I'm in Los Angeles. How about you? He said, I'm in Pakistan. And I said, oh, Islamabad or Karachi. How did I know that?

How the hell did I know that? And what did he say? He said I'm in Karachi How the fuck did I know that? I don't know. I don't know, but it's a really good skill. It's like when Schultz does his stand up and you see him in Lord knows where,

cracking jokes that only natives know. And you're just like you spent the time. I'm sure that man in Karachi was his day was made. He was lovely. Yeah, lovely. lovely, Karachi. Karachi, amazing.

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He's like, how about Main Street? Everyone's like, yeah. You know everyone else is not from Jacksonville. He's not going to relate to this at all. He's like, motherfucker, Maine Street. How are you going to go swimming, Joe Rogan? then you ain't never wore a bathing suit. He just had no interest probably in editing anything.

He's like, I'm funny. I did a really funny hour. The whole thing is going up. I'm being paid the same. I love it. Doesn't matter. Me too. You know what else I love, Josh?

I love flavored coffee. And let me tell you, I can't fucking find it in this city. Yesterday I drove to the great Shinnecock. I played the most unbelievable. golf course. This place, unbelievable. And my favorite coffee place is on the way. It's in Long Island. It's called Kitchen Cabaret. And they have, it's your flavored coffee. So it's sugar-free. These aren't like pumps, banana, cinnamon, ice coffee. A little bit of milk and a splendor. Oh, my God, it'll blow your mind. I had it yesterday on the drive-up. It was amazing. This morning,

I woke up. I'm like, I want that. No shade Starbucks. I don't want a pump. What a flavored coffee. I don't want a sugar. I don't want to sugar. I don't want to sugar. I don't want to sugar. sugar-free or a sugary. I don't want a syrup. I just want flavored coffee. It does not exist in Manhattan. It doesn't exist. I was chat cheapy tan it up.

I'm like, does this? They're like, New York doesn't do it. You can try maybe a bodega might do it. None of my bodegas do it. No, I wouldn't expect them. None of them. Nowhere. I want a big fucking iced coffee that's flavored.

Doesn't exist in New York. Does it exist by you? No, it doesn't really. Well, here's what I will tell you. What we have here, right, are like those Panera corner bakery type places, which you might walk in. You know what might have it, honestly, is like when you go into those great bagel shops and they have like five different faucets of coffee, right? They have fries. And those you can, I've certainly, blueberries pushing it.

But like I've definitely seen a hazelnut brew or like a. You're right. There is more of that, I would say, in L.A. because it's also, you know, gas station culture, convenience store culture here that you might. But dude, this is why you and I need to be in fucking Atlanta. I want to go into a Quiky Mart. I want to go into like quick trip, quick trip.

This is what I want. Quickie March from Simpsons. Quick trip. Shout out. Shout out. I know you know. I want to go to a quick trip. And they have 19 different coffees, every different flavor.

Then they have some that are ratcheted up where they're like, this is called like beat up your cousin and it's like two X and caffeine that shit is good this one's called you're going to be gassy later yeah this is called you won't make it to the parking lot because you're going to shoot your pants in a quickie trim yeah I need flavored coffee and like I spoke to Claudia about that she's like you know you're Margo gets it from this place called the cheese store. They'll deliver it. That's delicious flavored coffee. I don't want it in my house. I want to go to a store and buy it. I understand I can order something like that online, put it in my fridge. I like, it's part of my morning routine. I wake up in the morning. I walk outside. I go,

mobile order my Starbucks, pick it up, walk a couple of blocks with Romeo come back. I like it. It's my routine. It's my routine. If I were to make my coffee at home, I'm not going to getting out in the morning immediately. And I like immediately getting out in the morning. So I get that. Somebody needs to make this for me, Josh. Somebody needs to make flavored coffee. Don't I know it? Don't I know it. Yeah, I think these are things that are that are achievable, but it's hard. And I get it because you can make it at home, but it just ain't. It ain't it. It ain't. It ain't. It does not hit, as the kids say. Speaking of what the kids say, and we're going to be a week late on this because we are a bit of ahead. But Met Galla, let's get into it. What do we think?

What's our thoughts? Our thoughts are that if you watch the Mek Gala and not the Nick game, what are you nuts? Nick's won by 40. Fuck you, Philly. Fuck you. Oh my God. What a game.

No, but the Mek Gala, look, these people showed up. They looked gorgeous. I mean, what I love, Josh, you saw Kylie Jenner went to the Mek Gala and Timothy Chalemay court side at the garden standing on business. Hell yeah. Okay? They're dating. They're in the same city.

You know he was invited. They wanted him to be there. He's like, I'm sorry. It's Claudia's dream. I got to go to the Knit game. It's Claudia's dream to be invited to the Met Gala, right? Probably. That's probably like, definitely.

I have to assume so. Does she allow the same, exact same scenario for the two of you? Does she allow you to go to the Nick game? No way. I don't think so. I think that if it wasn't the second round, game one for sure. This honestly, I'm stunned Timothy Shalamey didn't go to the Mac Gala.

This is the most meaningless game you could possibly have. You couldn't win. You're not even close to winning. You need to win four. This is game one. I'm surprised that he went to the Nick game. It shows true fandom. But yeah, I don't.

She wouldn't have said no. She probably would have said exactly what I just said, though. It's not really such an important game. You can go to the next game. And that would have been true. Now, if it's game four and we're up 3-0 or it's game six and we're up 3-2, no question I'm at that game. A close-out opportunity?

No question. The game one? I don't miss it. I'm not surprised by his decision at all. Just thinking about the psychic wear and tear of something like the Metcala as opposed to going to the Knicks game, right? Like, imagine this right. This is weeks of anticipation.

Not only does he have to figure out what he's going to. to wear, but it's got to be honoring what Kylie wears, right? Yeah. And it's also, like, obviously he's going to do it in tandem with St. Laurent or Tom Ford or whatever gorgeous, beautiful, couture shop he's going to do with. The level of logistics that goes into that, as opposed to Jay Dolan hit me with another two. Let's go sit by Stiller and why.

I guess Stiller went to the MacGala. But it couldn't be easier to be like, we're going to cab over to the Madison Square Garden. We're going to be let right in. There's no thought. There's no thinking. And that's hot. No thinking is hot.

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Yeah, I don't know. The Met Gallo thing, I think it's lost on me. And I appreciate it because I think what, at its root, it's bringing money to the arts. And that's important. Sure. And what an amazing thing Anna Winters sort of created. And yet, like, I don't know. Again, like, I think it's because I'm getting old.

And a year doesn't seem long anymore, right? Like, a year flies by. So to me, I'm constantly thinking like, wow, we're doing this again, huh? This soon. Yeah. And it loses the magic. It also, I think almost everything loses the magic when you realize sort of the intent of it. And I understand this is charity for sure.

But like brands are going. Brands are paying for tables. It's all going to a great cause, certainly. But then they invite a choice few influencers and celebrities that are all, for different reasons. The root cause is completely lost on everyone. Like, this is a fundraiser that you would never know as a fundraiser. Like, I'm happy you brought that up.

No one in the world knows that the mech gala is a fundraiser. They think that this is, it's like a fashion party, which is the complete antithesis of what you're actually trying to do. Like, it should be known that it's a fundraiser. It should be known that you're raising what you're raising money for. I don't even know what the fuck they're raising money for. I'm here talking about it. I know that they raise money for the arts, but what in the arts?

For the costume, the costume institute. What is the costume institute? I just like tell me a little more, not you, in general. Like, okay, the mech galah, it's so amazing what she's wearing. Why is she there? What is she doing there? Why is it important? That would be kind of, that would be cool.

Can we call out too that I once said to your amazing sister-in-law, Jackie, that I was like, where do they hold the Met Gala? The Lincoln Center? You did? Yeah. And you was like, what is your IQ? That's amazing. That's amazing.

And by the way, it's so not even your fault. Like, obviously it's at the Met. But again, people get so disconnected from it. They don't know. Right. They don't know. Maybe it's at Chase Stadium. Home of the Mets.

That'll be fun. I don't know. I don't know where it is. That would be fun. And Chase Stadium, I'm so old. City Field. Shee Stadium has been around since Piazza. Yeah, it's so good.

But yeah, it's, so yeah, I don't know what it's for. But I guess people look good. Actually, I'm lying. People never look good. They go so far into culture and fashion. They look insane. They always look insane. Like the more fashionable you look, to me, the worse you look.

You in this beautiful Ralph Lauren. Yeah. You look great. Nobody's wearing this. It's giving quilt. My shirt is giving quilt. It's great. This made well, shout out.

Let me tell you, Madewell makes amazing t-shirts. I'm not saying that this is so fashion-forward in what I'm wearing, but I'm very hot. The air conditioner's off because it's too loud. I needed to wear something comfortable. Otherwise, you'd see the visible sweat on me. Let me tell you, Josh,

whenever people try to dress up, they end up looking insane. What happened to a nice suit? I agree. I look, look, what I'm wearing right now, I look like a throw at a lodge and Deer Valley. Yeah. And I'd sit on you.

Yeah, you would. But I, yeah, the Met Gala, it's a fascinating, it's a fascinating thing. I really think that the runway on four-year events, and we can't do it, right? Because every company wants to just keep making money nonstop year after year, you have to, you know, make the stockholders richer. But I think when you see the fanfare around something like a World Cup or an Olympics, It's so different. It's so much more important.

It's so much sweeter because you know that you're going to have to pine away and wait for it every four years. But I do, I mean, we do have to call out your boy, Mom Donning, and I got to give him a little cred. He turned down the invitation to the Met Gala, which a New York mayor never has, because he's like, I got work to do.

And you know what? Respect. Shout out. Sure. No respect. You know what's the greatest, part about being a Nick fan knowing that Dolan said, nope, you're not coming in here, Bucco. Oh my God. That's New York.

Okay. Mecgala. He, please, he wasn't invited. Yeah, I know he was invited. He wasn't invited. But again, like all those things where you make these massive political statements and there were certainly some at the Met Gallup, but in general, like, I think it's a smart move for a politician to say, I'm not going to go to these things.

I agree with it. I totally agree. Right? it's a good move. Yeah, because otherwise you end up like Eric Adams, who went to the opening of an envelope, and everybody told him, like called him a starfucker. Like, you can't have both.

You can't be hobnobbing and also be of the people. So yes, certainly, I can objectively say that it was smart on Mondani's part to decline because he is a man of the people. Like, that's what he's ran on. And so you can't sit with Anna Wintor and be a man of the people. That doesn't make sense. Is there one other thing that?

Boy, did he want to go. I know he wanted to go. You know how angry he was. Fuck, I have to turn this down. He wanted to go is licking his chops. I heard one other thing, and you can tell me of this is rumor, because I know you're Mr. New York, that he is installing enclosures for trash,

which, as we know, is the great, it's the great, it's the shame of New York City that a city so full of bruce, brilliant, amazing, industrious people have not figured out how to put those disgusting fucking trash bags somewhere other than when I have to see and smell it everywhere I turn. And I heard he's building that. I would love to see it. I've heard he's doing a lot of things. I'd love to see them happen. It's all saying. He says a lot of beautiful things, Josh. A lot of not so beautiful things too, but he says a lot of beautiful things. I would love to see

trash going trash enclosures because right now it's on my fucking corner. Right. Okay. And there's nothing grosser. You've been to New York. You've lived in New York, but for those that have been to New York, if you come after it's rained, oh, oh my God, the fucking puddles just show what is on our streets. And that folks is a disease. Yeah. Okay. These streets are disease. She's yucky. Yucky. Disgusting. Okay. Yuck. Um, should we get to some weird stories? Oh, I would love. of a weird story. I agree. I think it would be amazing for us to get into one. Well, Delta customers are in uproars. Airline cuts snack and beverage service on hundreds of flights daily. This is from the New York Post. All litigators, this is from the New York Post. It's B.YO snacks for thousands

of Delta passengers starting May 19th. Delta Airlines will no longer offer food and beverage service on 450 daily flights. The removal of in-flight meals, snacks, or drinks will apply to shorter flights. It's 349 miles or less. What do you think, Benny Boy? I think. I want to talk about Spirit Airlines after this. Okay. But Josh, but I think that short flights, you don't need food.

Totally right. I think that if the flight is short, you should have brought a snack. It's too much. You're taking off and then you're landing. There's no need for food. No need for food. Yep. What do you think, Josh?

I couldn't agree with you more. Oh, you need your baba. Oh, you need your fucking, your ginger ale and your Biscop. You don't need it. You don't need it. Yeah, I think if you want it to be, if you want flights, what is the headline? You want flights to be on time and you want them to be cheaper, right? Correct.

So go the rest. If it's civilized, if it's nice, a plane should have Wi-Fi. It should have entertainment. By the way, it doesn't need screens. Just needs accessible entertainment on your phone or your iPad. It needs to get there on time and it needs to be accessible financially. If all those boxes are checked, the fuck do you care? Go get to Cincinnati.

You're flying 349 miles. This isn't the 50s. What are we on Pan Am? Oh, I'm sorry. We're not on TWA. Correct, Josh. That's the only logical answer. And let me tell you, Delta does never let me down.

Delta does never let you down. Delta is number one for a reason. If they're doing this, there's a reason. And to your point, it's probably because, because they see that they're getting a significant amount of delays. There's even a one percentage point more of delays because the snacks are late. Yeah. And they're like, we don't need these fucking snacks anymore.

It's a 45 minute flight and Fat Aunt Stacy can keep her pie holes shut for 45 minutes. Okay. Yeah. That's it. Take a little extra GLP1, fat Stacy. That's it. That's it. Inject and then get on your plane and get where you need to go.

Josh, you said affordable, okay? which makes me think of Spirit Airlines. I know. Do you think that Donnie T. should have bailed them out? He said he was trying to, but you never know with him. So I don't know the details. He said he was trying to. He said he was trying to and he didn't.

Look, I think it's over. I'm pretty sure it's kaput. And I'm torn on this. I don't, I never understood the idea of a government bailout. Do you understand the idea of government bailouts? I guess the overarching idea is that the government is saving jobs, but they're also saving independent businesses that independent stockholders, like, like how does the government just choose,

oh, I'm going to save this business, but not this business. Like the U.S. government doesn't have a stake in Spirit Airlines. It would just be saving 16,000 people from losing their jobs, which is a huge, a big deal, of course. Yeah. But it's interesting. right? True hardcore capitalism would say that there is no instance where something should be saved

that the market would basically dictate what is sustainable. When you think about how Obama did it with the automotive industry or they do it with the banks, like, or even in the way that Biden bailed out Silicon Valley Bank, you know, like two or three years ago, like I just think that they really weigh it out and the impact on citizens and the ripple effect that would have economically, they say, is this worth it or not? And sometimes, but that's the perfect example. Like Lehman Brothers wasn't worth it. I don't, I don't get it.

Like Lehman Brothers was an enormous bank. Right. Enormous that no longer exists. 08 crisis. Gone. Gone. And I just, I don't get, I'm sure that there are smarter people weighing these options back and forth. But how do you decide that this bank with a million employees should be saved over this?

bank with a million employees. Because I don't think it's the employees alone, right? I think it's the financial apparatus that to let the bank default would mean mortgages, all the things that they had in place. I think Lehman Brothers and like Bear Stearns were more investment houses, right? That's fair. Okay. That makes sense.

No, they are. Probably, they probably do. When you're that big, you probably do a little bit of everything. But I think you're right. Less of the people, more of the giants. Right. Which is less of the problem of. the government. So in that case, you'd think that Spirit Airlines being the most affordable carrier

and also 17,000 jobs, but really appealing to the people, the people who can't afford to take a flight are able to fly on Spirit because they make it as dirt cheap as possible and make sure that your flight is as uncomfortable as humanly possible. And clearly they had a problem in their economics. Like, clearly they're too cheap because there's no profits and there's no ability to do anything, but I saw that and I just thought it was really interesting. Well, it's fascinating, right? And it goes to show with any of these things that even the biggest businesses, the profit margins usually are, it's just a purely volume business.

Correct. I mean, up until recently, you couldn't find a good, and I'm talking about the major three carriers in America, you could not find a good airline website. Like, they were all awful to navigate. But I think they initially, a couple months ago, block. a merger with JetBlue. In the interest of saying that it was actually going to drive prices up if the merger did go through because there would be so few carriers, but it didn't seem right.

And also, now it's only going to drive prices up because there's no discount carriers. Nobody was flying Frontier anyways. I'm not worried about Frontier not sponsoring this show, okay? I'm not worried, okay? You guys have nothing. There's no, there's no cheap carrier. And I think that's just because the economics don't make sense, especially now fuel prices. Right.

Like it's just you're complaining about filling your car. Imagine filling a passenger plane. Yeah. Like that's just one of a million expenses, parking the plane, pilots, insurance, all of it. It's so expensive. So the idea that you could fly from New York to Florida for $29. It doesn't make sense. Yeah.

Like it's, it's too expensive. And this is a, I want this to come out the right way. Flying has become so routine. It was once a luxury. And I think that when something luxurious becomes routine, we get what we have now, which is crowded airports that everybody loves to complain about, subpar service that everybody loves to complain about. But you're able to go around the world whenever you,

want for a fraction of what it should be. Is it Delta flight expensive? Yes. Then think about the fact that you are literally going from here to California safely. Right. Like, like, it's actually, it's not. We've just made it so routine to do things that nobody's ever done before. I think, I think flying should be expensive.

It's, like, if it needs to be more expensive to be safer, it should be more expensive. It's incredibly safe. I mean, it's maybe the greatest accomplishment ever in an organization is a level of safe. I mean, safer than driving your car. But I, I let's look, right? Let's do like, what's a respectable amount of lead time to get a good fare on something? Three months. Three months.

Is that fair? Yeah, I guess so, probably. I just want to get. And by the way, use your points, okay? Everybody should be using their points. The points guy talks about this all the time. Have a credit card and use points. but if you have to pay for a flight, yeah, three months sounds reasonable.

Okay, so let's say that you're going to go, and let's do it on not crazy days to fly, right? Usually it's like midweek. So let's say you're going from Tuesday, let's say you're going Monday to Thursday to from L.A. to New York, August 24th through August 27th, that's May now. And you want to travel economy. Let's see what the price. Let's get it. Let's see what we're talking about. I'm going to get $330, which, by the way, going from L.A. to New York for three, $330. That's very, it's, it's a great fair.

It's, okay, so, you know, you got to make sure with these things, because sometimes you do the one way and it's a price and they go plus 900. Nonstop round trip economy. Okay, you ready for this? Yes. How good you are, Ben? How much you have your finger on the polls? Tell me, tell me. Delta.

Delta. Find on a wonderful red eye. Okay, L.A. to New York, getting in Tuesday morning. We're going to be arriving Tuesday morning. And then flying back on Thursday at 11 a.m., $326. Wow. By the way, price is right. Holy smokes. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, you went over, so technically you lose. I lost. But by the way, that's impressive. And that's a great fair, Josh. But let's let's also, but also it's being reasonable with what we should expect, which is not, this is for the basis. fair. So you can't pick your seat. Oh, you can't check a bag and non-refundable and $100 change fee.

For $110 more, you do get to choose your seat. And I think that's about it. I'm pretty sure. I don't know this for a fact. So don't quote me on this. But I think if you book a non-refundable fair and you call them, I think they still might change it or refunds you. The airlines have become very lenient with changing flights. It used to be, do you remember, it used to be like a $250 change fee? Now you can literally change your flight in the app for nothing the same day. Same day is, but now you can also, for most tickets, you can do it like, same day was always kind of a good hack because they would kind of let you do that.

Now you can do it weeks from months on end. Shout out the Transportation Secretary formally, Pete Buttigieg, the hardest name in politics. But God, do I love Mayor Pete. I think that was him. I think he got rid of those fees. Well, then he did a wonderful job because let me tell you, what's going on here where I'm able to cancel a Delta flight, get a full credit and then use it to book another flight that's more convenient?

Huge. Well, when we're talking about the Department of Transportation, it makes me think about the fact that Purdue is turning six, seven into chicken nuggets. Wow. Wow. That's right. From foodbeast.com. Not the post.

We don't only use you. Pose. Trends usually jump the shark when brands start to use them, so I wonder how Gen Alpha will feel about Purdue taking its beloved 6,7, and turning them into chicken nuggets. I'm going to have to get these for my kids. Sounds delicious. What is taking 6-7 and turning it into chicken nuggets even mean?

Just the numbers. So like... Oh, 6-7. Oh, I love that. Yeah, so kids can be sitting with their parents who are exhausted and going, hey, dad. And I can be like, I eat your fucking food.

Shut up. Isn't it amazing that we've turned chicken into six? Like it's a chicken. It's a chicken. It's really scary. Can we just eat chicken that look like chicken? Do, does chicken use, I know there's meat glue. Does chicken use meat glue?

No, that would be ground chicken is what's in a nugget. No, there's no meat. But there's no binder. There's a bind. Let me, let's see. No, I don't think there's meat. Meat glue is, I'm pretty sure, exclusively used for when you go to a steakhouse. Okay.

And they don't have a full cut of filet. And they literally stitch a filet together using meat glue. Could you imagine that should be an episode of Greatest Anatomy? Yeah. Yes. Where they used it on a person? That's so anatomy. It's just a bunch of big boys being like,

Pass me the scalpel. I got to stitch this together for dinner. Okay. Is meat glue used for chicken nuggets? Yes, sometimes. The enzyme transglutaminase has been used in parts of the food industry

to bind some... Glutamanez. That's what the fucking glutamenex. Oh my God. Yeah, you use it. That's crazy. Gracie. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah.

I find it less gross in that situation than the idea that you're going, and I'm sure they don't do this at a Morton's, but that you're going to a Morton's, you're ordering a fillet, and it was previously chunks. That idea just really freaks me out. I don't like that at all. Oh, God, do I love a steakhouse? God, I just want to use it.

Steak House many times a week. Oh my God, so good. There's, there's truly nothing better. Yeah. A big, beautiful, medium rare steak, a creamed spinach, a nice, maybe onion ring or a French fry, a beautiful mushroom. That's, it's my dream plate. I love it. Can I tell you a crazy mix I had recently?

Crazy. Yes. Yes. My wife sometimes eats popcorn for dinner. Shout out, vegans. We love them. And she loves a big bowl of popcorn, so it's her way of eating it like guilt-free. Sure.

I was making a steak. There's about half a bowl of popcorn left over. I got nothing with the steak. I go, let me throw a little of this popcorn on the plate. Let me tell you, steak and popcorn, popcorn. Really? Really good. Wait.

Like you're eating, I'm trying to think about it. So it's crunchy and buttery. Salty. You're eating them at the same time. Salty. It's almost like a steak-free. But a reinvention. Fascinating.

You know it would also probably be good. Next time you cook your steak, save the drippings and the oil and pour it over your popcorn. Oh, my God. That's steak buttered popcorn. That is delish. Delish. Do we have a moron mail? Delish.

We do. Yeah. We do our moron mail, folks. Let me just pull one up. Okay, folks, moron mail through the roof. Because you've been writing into good guys. Podcast 1 at gmail.com. Keep them coming.

We love them. This is from Anonymous. Hey, good guys. My son just turned one and I really need some advice. We chose his name when I was about three to four months pregnant and absolutely loved it. We specifically chose it because we really loved the nickname he could go by. Example name is Michael Joe. He goes by MJ.

Fast forward to now. His nickname fits him absolutely perfectly. But I feel like his full name doesn't match his personality. and it feels weird not to call him by his nickname. Should I tell my husband how I'm feeling? Should we potentially change his full name to something that fits his personality more? Or should we just not bother since we call him by his nickname anyways? Love the pod so much.

Listen every week. Way to go. Thanks. Love it. I wouldn't worry about it one bit. I have a brother-in-law. His name's Kelly. His real name is Kenneth John the third.

It doesn't matter. We don't know him as KG3 or KJ3. We know him as Kelly. He's always been a Kelly. He always will be a Kelly. I'm not going to lie. KJ3 goes hard. Dummy hard. KJ3. KJ3 goes hard. Kelly's a great name. And if he's a Kelly, to your point, Josh, and to this lovely person's point, then he goes by Kelly. Right. KJ3. That's great. Look for me, is anybody ever called me Benjamin? No. Like, once ever. I'm Ben, Ben through and through. It's nice to have a name where you can pull different things from.

a Joshua becomes a Josh, becomes a Joshi, becomes, I don't know, whatever. Like, it's nice to have a name where you can pull down just in case in 20 years, he's a stockbroker and all of a sudden he wants to go by Michael. He doesn't want to go by MJ anymore. If you just make it MJ, you're kind of screwing him. So I think leave the formal name, especially if you call him by the nickname anyways, there's no difference. I couldn't agree more.

I think it's straight up, up and down, back and forth. left and right. Go by nickname. You're over-complicating things. I'm trying to think if there's anyone else. Yeah, nicknames are, nicknames are cute. Nicknames are great.

Nobody's ever, by the way, nobody's ever asked to see your birth certificate. Your name could be Rodney. Yeah. We don't know. And you just told everybody your name was Joshua and Josh.

You're Rodney. I'm just saying, like, who gives a shit? Birth certificate, you get, you call your kid whatever the hell you want. Your name is Josh. Because I told,

you so because I'm your mother. That's it. That's right. Right? You think there are people out there lying about what their names actually are? For sure. Like my mom's nickname of me growing up was disappointment. No.

Should we get to Woody and Nuts? What do you nuts? Yeah. I have such a good one. Let me just. I honestly, I had such a Woody and Nuts week. You know these moments.

Isn't it great when you just get to like write five down in your notes and they're fresh and they're gorgeous. Folks are what are you in that moment is our gripes with people. Places and things, both big and tall, whatever, stick in your craw, I will go first. I don't think that this is a New York City specific problem, but perhaps it is. Our parks are gated, right? You go, you lift a gate handle, you walk in. The normal thing is to close the fucking gate.

And then you bring your child in, you put them on the swings, send pit. slide, whatever it may be, I want you to know that if you are opening the gate and leaving the gate open so somebody else's toddler can run out into the street, you can go fuck off. Okay? What are you nuts? Close the gate behind you. This is a city that's not only disgusting, but filled with scary fucking people, so much traffic, so many cars. I, three times last week, Josh, I went to a park, kids are inside, gate was open. There are kids running a about? Like, what are you doing? You open the gate, you close the gate. And by the way, if you're in the park and you see that the gate is open, you can close it. If you didn't open it,

I will walk by. I'll see an open gate. I'll close it and I'll keep walking. You're saving a life. I mean it. It's very scary. These kids just take off and run. They don't know how to lift the big iron gate. It's too tall for them. What do you nuts? Close the gate. Totally couldn't agree more. In California, we have a double gate, kind of like it's like a jewelry store in Times Square. By the way, that's fucking genius. Smart. That's genius. Because it's rare that both are open.

Right. Right. My Winnie nuts is that my agency who handled my book when it came out, they emailed me. They said, listen, there was a lawsuit against one of these LLMs, maybe Claude or whomever. Shut up. Do you know what I'm going to say? No, I just love that this is your lady and that's. Of course, there's some litigation controversy with your book.

Yeah. It's just so funny. I love it. They go, no, with my book, they go, so, you know, there was a lawsuit against the AI companies for training the model with books that have been written. So here's this search engine. You could be entitled to $5,000 if they use your book to train Claude. So I checked.

They didn't. use my buck. Hey. Agent, what are you nuts? Check for your clients. Ouch. He already spent the money.

He already spent the money. What were you buying with your five grand from litigating Claude? Oh my God, a vacation. It's going to the Bahamas on Norwegian cruise line. Page is like,

Finally, we can go on vacation. Thanks. Oh, my God. I've heard of found money. I've never heard of lost money. Sam Maltman's like, do we want to use Josh Peck's book? Oh, no.

Oh, my God. Oh, that's so funny. You know, it's not funny, Josh. Not giving this episode five stars. That would be not funny. Okay? Listen to us wherever you get your. podcasts, but really listen on Spotify, because you can watch. You listen and watch, listen and watch

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