Good Guys - Big Boned or Just Fat?

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Mazel Morons! Today, we’re diving into the messy science of metabolism- does it actually slow down with age, or are we just… fat? The guys debate fast vs. slow metabolisms, Michael Phelps’ 12,000-calorie diet, childhood food trauma, GLP-1s, fasting culture, and how much the brain really burns thinking (spoiler: not enough to earn a Snickers). Plus: the greatest candy of all time, the danger of gas-station Kratom, menstrual face masks (???), gay sheep couture, and relationship & parenting advice from Moron Mail. What more could you ask for? Love ya! Leave us a voicemail here! Follow us on Instagram and TikTok!  Sponsors: Quo - Quo is offering my listeners 20% off your first 6 months at Quo.com/goodguys Shopify - Whether you’re just wanting to test an idea out, or you’re getting serious about launching your own brand - it’s never been easier to get started on shopify.com/goodguys. Ollie - Go to ollie.com/goodguys and use code goodguys to get 60% off your first box! Home Chef - HomeChef.com/GOODGUYS for FIFTY PERCENT OFF your first box and free dessert for life! Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Monsomorans, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. Do you want to hear another, how about now, Ben? I got another one. I would love to. Okay. Having a good day, studies have shown that your metabolism doesn't slow down as you get older. You're just fatter.

How about now? Wow. I actually feel personally victimized. Like, that's, that said, Josh, imagine having a fast metabolism ever. Does it exist? It could be me. it says apparently Like

Olivia, do you have a fast metabolism? I don't, I think I have a no, no. No, my weight. Pretty good for me here. No, my weight plusch weight a ton. It fluctuates a ton. You're on the right pod. Oh, exactly.

I know. I feel so seen here. You're with us. Yes, most certainly. No, but like I look at some people, they just eat whatever the hell they want. They're burning those cows. Some obviously have fast metabolisms.

Couldn't be me. But here's my pushback, because this is what the study said. If you look at the greatest innovation and weight loss in the last ever, right, GLP1s, GLP2s, there's nothing about them that is speeding up people's metabolism. They are only restricting what you eat. And so clearly people are losing, not because their metabolism is sped up, but because they're eating less. I think those people with fast metabolisms, if you really followed them all day,

they're not eating as much as we are. I think the only exception would be somebody who's a future athlete. Like what about that like 13 year old AAU incredible basketball player? But they're expending so much energy. Yeah. But like I just hear these stories

about like how these kids eat. We spoke about it on a recent podcast. They'll have a bowl of pasta for energy. Like, and maybe that's not metabolism, but it's just. Well, like Michael Phelps famously would eat like two pounds of chocolate chip pancakes today and couldn't help being shredded because he was doing 10-hour pool workouts. Like, yeah, you have to supplement.

Yeah, they must just be working out a ton. But they're exerting is more than what they're intaking. Yeah, it says here that fast metabolism is a real phenomenon and that your basal metabolic rate is like the way that they measure it. So there are some people that are just born with a predisposition to have a faster or slower one. Your body composition, if you have more muscle mass, it burns more calories than fat. Sure. Also, the size of your internal organs can account for the amount of energy being burned at rest.

So if you have, like, you know, big organs. Big ass, I mean, like, I definitely have big organs. I just know it. Like, I must have enormous organs. You think that's what it is when people say they're big bone. They really just have big organs. No, you don't have big organs, Ben. I can't get thinner.

My organs are too big. It's not the pants. It's my pancreas. The last thing is non-exercise activity thermogenesis, which means, like, if you fidget or walk or, like, change your posture a lot, because you're moving around, you might burn more calories than somebody who's, like, not a thing. I do that. I'm restless.

But I'm restless and that doesn't, no, I've been restless my whole life and I've been morbidly obese my whole life. That doesn't track for me. For me. For me. Well, okay, here's Michael Phelps. This was his diet during his training era, right? This was like at his peak Olympic training. Phelps was widely reported to eat 8,000 to 12,000 calories per day to support five to six hours of swimming daily, weight.

training and dry land work. A body that burned thousands of calories just staying warm in the pool. That's a big part of it too, just to continue to keep your body temperature. A typical training day, breakfast, three fried egg sandwiches, cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, onion, mayo. Oh, the amount of heartburn. One five-eague omelet, bowl of grits, three slices of French toast, and three pancakes with chocolate chips, 2,000 to 3,000 calories. Okay. Sounds fucking delicious, but keep going. Lunch.

Large bowl of pasta. I wonder. Maybe both ties. Two big ham and cheese sandwiches on white bread. Energy drink. 1,500 to 2,000 calories. Okay. Dinner, large plate of pasta.

Maybe he goes Pente this time. Entire pizza. Entry drinks. Soda. 2,000 plus calories. I think an entire pie of pizzas, is that not like 5,000? thousand calories? Maybe what is a...

Doing a small. Maybe a small. We're talking maybe a 12th personal. Sure. Personal plan. Sure. Any dessert? Or that's where his night ends?

Snacks and fluids. Protein shakes, energy drinks, soda, candy protein bars would account for 1 to 2,000 calories as well. So it's funny. I'm now thinking about what you said. It must, I guess it's just all of these people. I hear what Olivia's saying, the fast metabolism thing,

but it must also be that they're more active. They just must be more active. Otherwise. Then. Hold on. I got it. What? What now?

I need to know. I need to know what's going through your head. Olivia. Olivia knows. Tell me. Let me tell you how I'm interpreting your reactions right now. Wait. You mean to tell me.

working out burns calories. That's what it's just like you're saying. Okay. Okay. No, not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that I think those AAU kids that I thought were maybe just born with fast metabolisms must just be playing a lot more basketball than I realize that are able to eat a bowl of pasta.

Like if you were. like the math elites are eating two bowls of pasta and not putting out of pound. Then I'd be like, yeah, they probably have a fast metabolism. How much, how many calories, Josh, is the brain burn? That's a fair point because people have said that people burn calories during a chess match. Like, that's why Magnus is hot, hot, hot. Let's see. Do you burn calories by thinking deeply or during a, you?

A chess match or an intense math session. Sesh. I'll say Sesh. Intense math. Yeah, keep it cool. Yeah, title. Session. Okay.

It says short answer is yes, but the effect is tiny. Deep thinking does burn calories, just nowhere near enough to matter for weight loss or earning food. Your brain or any burns a lot. by existing. Your brain is only about 2% of your body weight, but it uses about 20% of your daily energy at rest. Thinking harder does raise your calorie burn, but just barely. It might raise it 5 to 15% above baseline, which translates to roughly 5 to 30 extra calories per hour. Okay. So you'd have to play chess for like 5 to 30 hours to be able to even have a Snickers. to even, yeah, I think Snickers is $2.50.

Yeah, half. Snickers is very caloric. Very caloric. Highly. And so good. Anything better than a, you like a frozen Snickers? I love a frozen Snickers. Okay, if you were just going by the, you're done here, you're going by the bodega,

you're just in a fucking attitude. You're going to grab something from in front of the register. So. And I'm not, and I'm not thinking at all how I'm going to feel later. I'm just like having a bad day. I need a piece of candy. What am I buying? Not even about, you just like, I'm going to, and it's got to be, it can't be like,

you can't go to the back and get the Gardettos, bugles, the Lifesavers gummies. Those are in the back. That's in, those are in the back. No, we're talking front. I want kick cats, you know, mounds. I don't know. What does it say? What does it say about me mentally that I'm only doing that if I'm having a bad day?

You're a grown-up. We'll decipher that another time. It's responsible. I'm getting a butterfinger. Oh, you're nuts. Butterfinger to me is the holy fucking grail. Wow. Like a butterfinger and it stays with you in your teeth for the rest of the day.

So you're always reminded that you had it. Hell yeah. It's so delicious. And I think because of the consistency, it doesn't go too quickly. I can have a, I love a kick cat because I love wafers. That's a delicious snack. Yeah, I can eat a Kit Kat in six seconds. So true.

I love a Butterfinger. What are you grabbing? I am probably going to grab. I, again, and I think this is a fatso strategy, which is like I want it to like a Snickers. That's three bites. Correct. Right?

Nuts. Also, are you? I'd never get one. Are you a guy who would eat it, who would just take the wrapper off halfway and then keep it in its little wrapper holder? I'm not. It comes straight out.

I'll get my fingers a little chocolatey. It's funny. I'm 100% a wrapper holder. I'm not a chocolatey. You too lit? No. Yep. Wow.

Okay, what's that say about me? I just see you on the corner just licking your finger just from the chocolate. Sniff and lick. That was a delicious snickers. Have you seen the meme of the kid dancing in the pediatrician top of? and just says, hearing my doctor tell my mom that I'm morbidly a beast and artistic. I haven't seen it. It's hysterical.

Morbidly a beast and artistic. That's really funny. I'm late stage. If I am autistic, I'm a late bloomer because my wife's the first one to tell me. My mother was like, it's good, Josh. Everyone loves a tick. I prefer he doesn't hear me when I talk. He likes space, so sue him.

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You can follow us at The Housegess Pod and listen or watch all new episodes every Thursday, wherever you get your podcast or on YouTube. Yeah, I would go for like a Reese's Pieces. I love that. Delish. Delish. I would go for, I like a Kit Kat.

I definitely fucks with a Kit Kat. Or I would go with, in New York, they don't really have them out here much. A Baby Ruth? Have you had one of those in a while? I haven't had it in a while. It was always one of those Halloween candies that I was like, really a fucking baby Ruth. And I'd push it to the side. And then I'd eventually eat it because in my house, no Halloween candy went un-eaten.

Even if I didn't like it, I was eating. it. Yes. It wasn't my favorite, personally. It's fine. Actually, the worst Halloween candy, let me know if you agree with this, was those boxes of the milk duds.

Oh, terrible. Who needs that? Four loose milk duds in a box. I don't need that. Those stink. There was also the circus peanuts historically no one wanted. Not for me.

No. Not for any one. We've definitely spoken about this before. The best, though, the individual-wrapped Twistlers. Because they're different than the regular Twistlers. It's a different recipe. They're significantly juicier. And I'm a big fan.

Big fan. Are you a twister pulling peel guy? I used to fucks him up. Oh, yeah. And a real fat move is you don't pull or peel. You shovel. You eat the rope. You just, hum!

And like the strawberry flavor, yeah, it was amazing. Oh, man. I crushed those. Oh, I forgot about pulling peels. Yummy. So good. It's really wild thinking about what I would eat. Like, there would be a night.

I would order, this would be like a classic night. I would order in Thai food. I would get a pad tie. I would get a pad CU. I would get two orders of spring rolls. I'd get a dumplings. And then I'd probably go to the bodega and, get a pull and peel uh nerds wrote like that was a night like it just and like i'm not swimming

like phelps and that's easily 6,000 calories yeah like is that the like looking back can you think of like a very um a uh sort of a food a damaging food experience that you would have with your parents like i can think of once i would have with my mom where you look back and go like oh we were like getting high together. Like this was over the top of eating. It wasn't just like, oh, we're at a bar mitzvah or something. Yeah, I was always, my parents were always telling me, Ben, you're ordering too much food. Like, you're ordering too much food.

And I would always say, no, it's fine. And I would eat all of it. But they were, I don't, it's funny. I don't think that they were, I don't think that they were ever damaging. I was damaging. For sure. But like you said, your father's was an eater, right? No, by the way, they were both eaters.

Like a thousand percent, but they, I don't, they didn't really eat. I don't recall them like eating like that in front of me. Like, like, I remember my, I wonder when my dad was eating. Like my food memories of my dad were him drinking slim fast shaked, like optifash shakes. Like, not even eating. I think that has an opposite but similar naked. effect. Probably.

So 100%. A hundred percent. Diet culture was a huge thing in my house. Me too. From day one. Slim fast shakes at 13 years old. Slim fast bars. I think I tried OptiFast, which is like this shake program when I was like 15.

Like shake replacements for food. Always like diet culture for sure. Do you have a specific memory of a meal? I mean, my mom always. would say, like, I had nothing to do with your eating. It was out of control, but I always said you were handsome to me. And I go, my, you've had an eating disorder my whole life. I'm like, yeah, we went to a fat camp in North Carolina.

Like, well, what do you mean? Like, we were part of a UCLA study, and by we, I mean you. Like, I was at Overeaters Anonymous meetings growing up every day. I was a kid on a Game Boy in the corner. My mom's not going to like this segment. Thank you, Mom. I appreciate everything you did for me, but shit happens. Love you.

It's fine. Love you. No, it's all good. It's just, I think it's certainly both sides of it, whether it's super limiting diet culture or it's super indulging. And I would bet you like, we, it just, it gets modeled. Like, I watch it with my wife and her family. And my wife will be the first to attempt.

and my sister-in-law Blake, like, that they went through, like, awkward chubby stages. But, like, food has never been an event to my in-laws in a good way. They enjoy great food. They eat dessert. But it's just not the, we're having lunch. What are we having for dinner type mentality? Which I grew up. I don't know if you grew up that way, Ben, but I certainly did.

My father's a caterer. Like, food is life. Like, literally, he made a living, making and certain. serving food. Like that, that's it. Like, food is everything.

Your next meal is everything. How creative can we be? Like, how, like, what cuisine? Like, yeah, food was life.

Right. And I think that even though other people's parents aren't caterers, religion plays a huge role in that too. Like, food is at the epicenter of Jewish culture. Like, everything revolves around.

food, whether it is a Shabbat dinner or a Rosh Hashanah meal or I wonder if other religions have food as ingrained in everything. I think I don't know. I think culturally, every culture has a major food focus. But I think, and I'm learning, I've been listening to this pot about how scarcity complexes that are so deeply ingrained in people lead us to over and, indulge in everything. And I think just the Jewish people in general have for millennia's been like, oh, we're leaving again. Oh, they hate us again. Get your shit. Let's go. This idea that is

evolutionarily embedded in us of like, ooh, we have a bounty. Like, go for it because we don't know when the next one is coming. Because we don't know when we're going to get it next. Now we live in an indulgent world with food at our fingertips all the time. And yeah, that's very interesting and crazy. What was it like for you, Olivia, growing up? Yeah. So I spent a lot of time. My mom was like a single mom, my mom, my grandma and I all live together. My grandma grew up like during the, she was born like during the Great Depression and grew up during World War II in West Virginia. So very much like that scarcity complex, food always like I could never eat enough. You know, she was always worried I was going to starve.

And I'm like, Grandma, I'm fine. I've eaten like four meals today. Like, what do you want? And it's interesting because, like, they are always so concerned. And it was very much the same of like, you know, when you're eating lunch,

okay, what are we having for dinner? Still very much like that. Yeah. But then there's also like this really like negative kind of cheeky self-talk. And I think that's what I've picked up more than the eating habits at times. Although I've definitely done that too. But like, it's something I've had to be really conscious about working on, you know,

like the way. that you kind of relate to yourself and it's like, okay, well, don't like keep making a joke out of it and have fun and then like hate yourself for it, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? Totally. Yeah. So there have been like big conversations about that over time. I feel really lucky that, I mean, I have like the best family and my mom and grandma are absolutely amazing. But like, I just wish that they saw how beautiful they were too sometimes. And it's like if you feel that way, then like, okay, let's take steps to try and figure it out, you know, or find new ways how to deal with that sort of feeling and your relationship to food. But yeah, very much food centered all the time.

I think it's also like the government and culture. Like Josh, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Like you don't need to be having breakfast lunch and dinner. We're trained to eat from 7 a.m. to the minute you go to sleep. Like I think that, and it's only started to at least in my world that come out over the last like couple of years, this idea that if you only. ate one meal a day, you're not going to die. Far from it. Quite the opposite. You might feel like 100 times better. Like it's such a strange.

It's just so odd. And maybe there just like wasn't enough research done or my paranoid brain is like, they want to keep us slow. I don't know. But it's we don't need anywhere near the amount of food that we've been trained. We need to eat to survive. Autophagy heard of it. Yeah.

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Stop saying one day and start saying today. When are we doing our fast, Josh? Three days. I don't know. I'm down to clown. Whenever it's clever for me. Okay, so I'm going to see you on Monday. Do we do it? Like, no, you shouldn't do it while you're traveling. You won't feel good. You have to do it at home. You have to do with black coffee. You got to be just, yeah, it's not possible. I think we need to do it, though. I don't know when.

I want to do it now. Call it. Okay, we're doing it in December. I want to do, I want to do a three-day fast. Call it. I'm down to clown. Whenever. I just, I will have to do it. I also need to do every seven weeks. They say you should take one week off of working out. I'm not really good at doing that, but I'm certainly down to take three days off. So like, I will cycle it down and start.

The problem is, is it's also going to be really hard. I need to do it while the kids are in school because I can't be with them, like watching them eat delicious food all day. So let's, let's do two days and let's do weekdays. Let's start with a 48-hour fast. Okay. And let's do a, like, Thursday and Friday. NPB?

No problem, brother. I'll take my treseptitide on Wednesday, my microdose. Maybe I'll take a hero dose. You should. Take a full dose. Did you hear? Even though I found it does take, I think it takes at least two months for it to really start to affect your hunger.

Like I only recently, I told you that I restarted taking Zepbound. And I guess I had gone off it for a while where my body forgot or it just like its resistance went away or whatever. And like a week ago, I started, oh my God, I'm so full. Like that feeling came back. Really? Which is, yeah, which is not a feeling that I missed. I know it's like a healthy feeling and it's the reason that I'm on it. But I don't enjoy getting Chipotle and only being able to eat a quarter and needing to throw up.

it out. Otherwise, I'll be sick. Like, I don't like that feeling. It's the, it's good for me. Like, it's, it's what I should be doing, but it's not fun. It really is. I mean, the perfect probably amount of food would be to have a light breakfast and order lunch and eat half of it for lunch and half for dinner. A hundred percent. Right? A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. As long as you're getting your electrolytes, some protein, like, I've heard this whole electrolytes, shout out element, but I've, I've I've heard if you're not working out, you don't need to worry too much about supplementing electrolytes. You're getting plenty of salt from other sources. So all that, again, maybe it's different for different people.

And this is not just because elements are sponsor. This is actually what I do. I get incredible dry mouth and I'll drink water and I'll still have dry mouth. And it's until I drink an element, then my dry mouth goes away. I wonder if you're benefiting, though, from the Mexican. magnesium and potassium more, which, by the way, I think I am. And not just saying this, element is delicious. Elements delicious, and it's 100% the best electrolyte out there.

It is. I wish they were sold in more stores because I'm walking around the city, and I see these stupid liquid IVs. I don't want that shit. I want the good stuff, but they don't sell the good stuff at bodegas, unfortunately. Well, have you heard about Brian Johnson, who is the guy who wants to live forever? Yes. He is now in a new ex post.

I'm exploring magic mushrooms as a longevity therapy. Sunday was my first dose. 4.67 grams of dried psilocybincus, B plus strain, containing 24.98 milligrams of psilocybin. Yeah. And he's saying that it has, there's scientific evidence that it helps longevity, inflammation, neuroplasticity, and sexual health. Thoughts? I mean, let me know.

That's a shitload of mushrooms. Five grams? I don't even, then, yeah, I don't. I've never understood grams as it relates to a volume of a drug. I'll just never understand it. How much mushrooms do you do with Brian Kelly? A square, a chocolate square? Like, so that's probably probably not a lot.

It's less than a gram. I've never had like, and by the way, for that, I'm, I'm in the exact place I need to be. Anything else, I feel like I would have a panic attack. Honestly, it's probably five grams is probably five to eight squares. I've been with people and I've watched them eat a bar of chocolate. I'm like, are you fucking out of your mind? I don't feel it, bro. I'm like, you need to go to, you need help.

You need help if you don't feel that anymore. You must stop. You go somewhere and get help. Yeah. Yeah. If it turns out that it really does help those things, I'm still out. I don't need it. I don't need it.

There are other ways to cure inflammation. Josh, every day I take turmeric boss. I'm going to send you the link. I found it at a farmer's market. This woman pre-packs them by hand. the carcumin and the black pepper and the turmeric. Let me tell you, fantastic. That's my, I'm not inflamed at all, Josh.

Zero inflammation. Not a drop. None. Zilch. And I get a great sneeze after it. The best, the best sneeze in the morning. I take my turmeric boss. I get a nice sneeze.

My sinuses feel like they're in heaven. I don't need any of that psilocybin. Sounds very close to bagel boss. You want a link to turmeric boss? Only if it's made by bagel boss. I'll send you a link. You can also empty the capsule and put it in a little bit of ground beef. And then all of a sudden,

Holy smokes. Then why? You make a great hero. We'll be there. We'll be there. Well, speaking of natural remedies, did you know, tragic turn, our sons died from taking an all-natural supplement. You can buy gas stations.

People don't realize it's so addictive and dangerous. What is it? Very sad. Very upsetting. Hold on. Oh, yeah. Rest in peace. Yeah, this, no good.

Months before Jordan McKibbin collapsed in his bathroom and never woke up, 37-year-old, prepared smoked salmon and a homegrown canned peppers. This is a nice spread. Now, there's a tragedy. No, I'm kidding. Weeks before, he told his mom things were getting serious with the woman. New York Bull. I'm like, why are you talking about the smoked salmon?

Then on the day of his death, McKibbin went to his longtime job at an organic food distributor. When he got home, he mixed a tablespoon of powdered Kratom supplement into his lemonade. Marketinged as an all-natural way to ease pain, anxiety, depression, and more. Kratum can appeal to health-conscious people like McKibin, who his mother says wouldn't even take ibuprofen for arthritis in his hand. But on that Tuesday, a compound in the substance took McKibbon's life. And sadly, he passed. Dude, Kratum is bullshit.

I've never even heard of it. Yeah, it's become very popular as an opioid-like replacement. But it's the same. It triggers opioid receptors in your brain. It has the same effects. And you can buy it at a gas station? Yeah, you can buy it at a head shop. It's all over.

It's going to get taken out quickly. But the government's slow to realize. Holy shit. That's very scary. Very sad story. Yeah. It's awful. And they have those,

they have like, if you've seen ads anywhere, like any gas station for feel free, it's a mix of like kava root nectar, which is like I don't. Kava seems chill. That's fine. It's whatever.

It just makes your tongue tingle a little bit. And then, but crazy. Yeah, it's like it's in the opiate family. But it's, yeah, like marketed. Those little drinks are marketed as like a feel good alcohol alternative, kind of like a CBD seltzer almost. But they're these little shots like a five hour energy. And there are people who, again, they're marketing it towards people who are either probably sober or sober curious too. And yet it's an opioid. So you probably have folks who have been addicted to narcotics or opiates at some point who are

trying this as an alcohol replacement in their sobriety and don't fully realize because it wasn't clearly labeled for a long time. There are so many people who have relapsed because of this or become fully addicted to it. It's really bad. Really bad. It's really bad. It's a shame that it's even available for people. It makes me really angry.

That's that's fucked up. I also heard, I know that like weed is legal in all these places now. Some states are starting to back out of that. Like weed is becoming what was legal is now. becoming illegal again. Not that I'm comparing weed to this. These are two different, completely different things. But that's weird.

I remember, I think there, I don't know if Texas successfully did it, but it's like, again, I mean, look, weed certainly today is not the weed that our parents were smoking in the 60s. It's super strong and hydroponic and whatnot. But like, I think in general, like, real weed is better than this

like Delta 8 sold a gas stations. Like, of course. Which is, in quotes, federally legal. because it's THC free, as opposed to like real weed, which is still federally a Schedule 1 drug, because we have all these like weird, archaic rules against hemp, which is a bomb-ass plant. Want to make a sale?

Get hemp. Yeah. I love hemp. I'm in. It's hot. Sure. Why not? Build a sale.

You make sales at a hemp? Yes, I think. Have you had experience building a lot of sales? Yeah, it sounds great to me. What am I in the Pinta? At first, I was thinking, are you making a sale? Oh, he means a sail. Like on a boat.

I'm in. That's what I'm saying. I'm in. On a boat. I'm in. The Nina, the Pinta. What was the third, Ben? And the Santa Maria.

That's it. Every time I hear that, I think of beans. I think of the Pinto bean. Yeah. Right? Delicious bean. It is. You ever get raw beans or dehydrated beans?

and hydrate them. Not from me. Give me the can. Really? You got you're cracking the goya can, huh? I'm a cow. Oh, yeah, big time. The closest he'll get to goy up.

Big time. It's goya. I love that. The friolis negro. Fantastic. It sounded racist. It wasn't. Well, the gay sheep wool used to create couture fashion.

Gay sheep wool. Because homosexuality is part of nature designer claims. Woke Couture is coming for our closets. Wool from sheep that prefer same-sex partners debuted at a New York fashion show earlier this month. On November 13th, a collection of knitwear by Los Angeles space designer Michael Schmidt called I Will Survive, features garments created with wool from the world's first flock of gay sheep in Germany. What? That's going to be the name for our new pod.

This is the biggest Woody and Nuts I've ever heard in my life. Two gay sheep. It's me and you, Ben. That's not even what's crazy to me. I'm sure that everybody out there, I'm sure all the sheep are gay. Right. I'm sure all the sheep. Like the first, they discovered the gay sheep in Germany, please.

Okay? The first gay sheep in Germany. You're lying. I want picks. I want picks, okay? Of one male sheep sucking off the other sheep. and then I'll buy your fucking gay sheep thing. Otherwise, I'm not buying it.

I don't believe you. Unza ba. Unza lore. I just sounded Mexican. Unza baba black sheep. Yeah. Wow. That's a lot to think about.

It's a lot to think about. I'm, you know, great. Why not? A lot to take in the animal kingdom, most animals are just like, yeah, like they'll take it where they can get it. For sure. A hole's a hole in the animal kingdom. Okay? A hole's a hole.

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I'm disturbed. All right, by the way, to each their own. Hey. To each their own. You want your face to smell like pennies. That's up to you. Yuck. Oh, my God.

Menstrual blood on your face and gay sheep clothing. We live in a weird world, Josh. We live in a weird world. We live in a weird world. These people are freaks. Should we get to a moron mail? Moron mail. If you want to leave it some more on mail,

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Let's hear from Barrett. Hey, good guys. I am in the middle of listening to Josh's book while cleaning my house. And I'm at the par where he's talking about how he's going to AA meetings and his transformation to becoming sober. And while I'm listening to this, I am also thinking about my husband and I starting to have kids soon. And this is a topic that we've discussed here and there as we get closer to getting to that point. And I really think and believe that as a partner who is not carrying a child, it should only be fair that while I have to be sober for nine months as I grow a living human, that my partner should be in solidarity. And maybe not 100%, but not with the same habits that he currently has, which has been a discussion that we've had multiple times where I want him to cut down. Currently, I only drink on the weekends, and he tends to drink nearly every day, even if it's just one or two. So my question is, what do you guys think about your partner as men being sober, you guys being sober while your wife is pregnant? And also, how do you approach that? And Josh, as somebody who is sober, what is something that I could do to better support him as somebody who does not struggle with moderation or drinking?

You want to start or you want me to start? Go for it. coming from somebody who really did not drink during their wife's pregnancy, I think I drank one time at a wedding, which I think is basically what this woman is asking of him. Let me know if you agree with this, Josh. If you have an inclination to drink alone, you probably have a problem.

I would think that a social drinker and an alone drinker are two different types of people. And I think that, again, maybe this is just like my relationship. Like, if I'm going to have a drink, it's going to be out at dinner with my wife. I'm not, we were never at home drinkers. It just wasn't part of, it sounds like maybe he's an at-home drinker. But if you're not drinking and he's just getting drunk alone, it sounds to me like he should try to drink less, regardless of if you're pregnant or not.

It's my outsider's opinion. Yeah, I don't think you need to think about it more deeply than like questioning whether your partner can read the room, which is such an implicit, important, nuance quality that cannot be taught. And they either have it or they don't. And you want to be with someone who has it. Because again, yeah, it doesn't like, I think it's whack to tell your partner anything when it comes to like if you're going through something. if they enjoy having a beer on the couch to watch Sunday night football or whatever, and they want to do that regularly. It doesn't pose a problem, in my opinion,

but I think that if they, like, need to go out and get shit house and want you to be there and do it in front of you, or they're up to all their drunken antics while you can't be, that's clearly not reading the room. You know, like, I just think there's a balance. Agreed. Yeah. Self-awareness is key. Too many people are born without it. And those people should die. Yeah. Muckum.

Next one is from... Oh, this one is from Anonymous. Hey, to my favorite Jewish men. I've been recently dating someone and just found out we have different political views. I feel like that was typically fine back in the day. But now with politics being so front and center and wondering what your thoughts are, I'm definitely dating to marry. Do you think that could go long term? Let me know. It's funny. I just had a conversation with a friend who told me that he went on like two good dates with this girl.

And she asked him, it like came up like political affiliations. He told her that he was a Republican. She said that she was a Democrat. She didn't text him back for like three days. he like wrote to her like hey like I thought we had like a couple of great dates like we'd love to see you again and she's like oh sorry like I swore to myself that I would never date a Republican and I was just so he was obviously put off I thought it was very strange I think that you'll you could absolutely find examples like that across both sides where somebody would say oh I'd never date a liberal or whatever it may be I don't think it's a problem at all unless your house is toxicically. political. Like life is not politics. Josh and I talk about this all the time where most people are hovering middles. And if you're hovering middles, you don't have a problem. Of course, if one person is a right-wing conservative and the other is a left-wing liberal and you're

over here, then you're going to be on opposite sides of very, very important fundamental things to you and like the way that you perceive. society. So if that's the example, I think it would be pretty difficult. But I think that for most, if one's a Republican, one's a Democrat, and they're pretty aligned on most things that most people are aligned on, which is just like being a good person, I would hope it wouldn't come in the way. But I don't know. I think it would be hard. Maybe. That's my gut. And not that, I mean, obviously there's like Kelly Ann Conway and her husband. And, like, there are famous Republican and Democrat.

I think when Schwarzenegger's always been a Republican, and obviously Maria Shriver comes from the Kennedy's, like, famously Democrat. But I think, like, I always talk about my wife and I, like, and I wouldn't even know what you'd classify it now, but I'd always say, we're both Democrats, but she's more of a Bernie Democrat. I'm more of an Obama Democrat, right? Like, I'm more centrist. She's a little more liberal.

But it's like we're dealing in the same. same area, right? And what's great is we do have like productive conversations because I do pull her more center and then she'll help me to see certain things where I'm just like, yeah, maybe I didn't consider that. But I think if we were like pretty staunchly Democrat Republican, I think it would be, it would be hard to see eye to eye on some fundamental things. That's my instinct. I just wonder, you said something which is interesting. I do think that one ends up getting pulled. That's definitely true.

But I do wonder if a Clinton Democrat, an Obama Democrat, and a Mitt Romney Republican would have more in common? I think so. I do think that one ends up getting pulled to the other. But that's what I meant by fighting on the middle line. Like, nine, I would say nine out of ten things that a Mitt Romney Republican and a Clinton Democrat, I would say nine out of ten things they agree on. I think what you're saying is no matter where on the spectrum you are, you don't have to be in the exact same spot, but you need to be close.

And to your point, yes, if here's the middle line and you're a dem here and you're a Republican here, then it can work. But if you're too far either way, If I was more of a old school liberal Kennedy Democrat with someone who was like extremely, extremely liberal, that wouldn't work either. Because we would just be too far apart in the way in which we see things. Absolutely. Agreed. Agreed.

All right. Last one from, let's see, somebody good. Oh, this one's from Jimmy. Barak Hashem, good guys. My name's Jimmy. me, I'm one of your few male Gentile listeners. My wife and I have been married for three years, and something I'm trying to get a lot better at is,

instead of thinking that she looks super sexy or hot in an outfit, I want to tell her as well. I think it all the time, but I don't voice it enough. And so I love the holidays because she'd be wearing really cute outfits, like she wears her jeans from the gap, and she got her blunt stone boots and her little Patagonia vest. And I love the holidays because she'd be looking like a snack every day of the week.

So I want to know, Ben and Josh, for your wives, what is like your favorite thing that they wear when you're like, damn, girl, you don't even got to try. You look so good in that outfit. Like, what's your favorite outfit for Paige and Claudia to wear? I just love that. I love you, Jimmy. I love you, Jimmy. Right now I'm wearing bloodstones, gap jeans, and I have a Patagonia in my car. It's good.

It's, you know, antigenous. You're Jimmy's dream woman. That's funny. Well, Jimmy, thank you for your wonderful speak pipe. You know, it's funny. I, too, always think compliments that I wish I said more. I think that's something that, like, I also would like to work on. That's just a side note.

What do I love when Claudia wears? Honestly, just like, she has, like, the most unbelievable hair. I know that's like a weird thing to say, but she has like the like thickest, fullest, most gorgeous hair. And when her hair is like fully blown out and done and she's like ready for a night out, it's not like what she's wearing. It's her hair. Like when she wears her hair down and it's fully blown out, it's just like, wow, you look. I mean, you always look unbelievable. You look particularly sexy.

Wow. Love it. What about what is Ethan where that really gets you going during the holidays? Honest, I love him in any kind of like a fitted trouser. And then he's got like the nice little like dress shoe. They're like a suede kind of brown dress shoe. And then he's got this one like white button up with like the what is it, tortoiseshell buttons.

I think he looks so handsome. Whenever he wears that, it's so cute. And he's got like curly hair kind of that's cut short. So whenever the curls are kind of, you know, pop in, they're fresh. And he's got something like that on just a gem. Beautiful. So cute. Oh,

I also love sequins. A sequin dress. Love that. Mm. Love. During the winter, Page wears, like, she's got, like, three staple,

really cute sweaters. Like, she has, like, a cashmere, a black one, a beautiful, like, little light, like, baby blue

and a pink one that are cute, cute, cute, cute. And I really like that. And I think that she, yeah, in general,

like she wears like whenever we go to New York or she has an occasion to wear something for cold weather. She has like beautiful like three quarter length coats that are very chic and just feel like, I'm just like, who is this Parisian model I'm with? I was like those. I need a new p coat. I went away from the piquots. I used to love them. I can't even imagine how bad I looked as a 280 pound or wearing a piquet and what I thought I looked like in that piquet.

Like, I just like have a fat sailor. But like if like in my head, I'm like, in my head, I'm like James Blunt. Like, you know, but I'm getting a triple XL Alan Edmund Picoat. What shit for you are? The USS huge. Should we, uh, guitar, what are you nuts? we absolutely should Josh. Our Woody You nuts moment of the week

are gripes with people, places and things, both big and tall, whatever's sticking in your corral. Mine is musicals. I think we've gone past the medium. The entire thing is What Do You nuts? People singing. It's fucking weird, dude. Enough.

Musicals are done. It was a cool thing when we had no other forms of entertainment, but we have TikTok now. Let's move on. There's new mediums and formats. This is weird. Woody Annette? I will take you a step further.

A musical, a musical movie out. Gone. Not anything new. You could do the oldies. No problem. I'm happy to see songs I know. I don't want to learn net new songs via this medium. No good.

It's done. It's done. My Woody, that's moment is I was on the plane last week. And I looked to my right and there's a bare foot. The person behind me was stretching out their legs and her bare foot, she quickly pulled it back. Her bare foot was on my armrest. And that is just, we were talking earlier about how people who aren't self-aware should die.

And I'm not saying that I wish death upon her, but it was incredibly alarming. And I didn't feel good about it. And I thought it was an incredible, what are you nuts? One last thing that I will leave you with. I saw an amazing advertisement, Josh. The other day, it said, your wife's hot. And it's a picture of like a hot, hot looking woman. And it says, call your air conditioning company.

Isn't that good? Like it. Love it. I loved it. I was like, wow, you're a genius. For more genius tips like that, listen to this podcast. because this is five stars. Otherwise, what are you nuts?

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