Good Guys - Brian Kelly Was Almost Murdered in Belize

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

Grab your notepad moron!!!!! Brian Kelly, also known as The Points Guy is here... and extremely famous in an airport lounge! Brain discusses why Delta is the #1 airline, his housekeeping tip for getting special service during hotel stays, judging a pilot on a rough landing, and almost being murdered in Belize! What are ya nuts?! Sponsors: Philadelphia makes everything creamier. Visit creamcheese.com for recipe inspiration and to purchase Philadelphia Cream Cheese! KiwiCo - Get 20% off your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/goodguyssummer  Go to Nutrafol.com code GOODGUYS10 to save $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The following podcast is a dear media production. I'm Josh Peck. And I'm Ben Sauffer. And we're the good guys. There's a lot of guys out there. And we're the good ones. Mazel morons, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm sitting here with someone who boards with military and's Ben Soffer.

Yes, yes, that is, that is me. And we're also here with, I was like, wait, is that made? No, no, that's not you. And we are also here with first and foremost, dear friend, miss you terribly, so happy that you're here. Brian Kelly, the points guy, creator of the points guy, really everything that you think that you know about points, you only know about points because of Brian. So, Brian, thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me. It's good to be here in person.

I don't know why we didn't do this earlier. I know. We would always chat about it, but with people like us, you're like, just come this day. Just tell me when. It took us two years, Josh, to have Brian on the podcast. What are we nuts? It's a real mess up on our part, and I'm taking responsibility now. Well, Josh, I'm going to, I mean, because Josh was one of the first guests on my podcast years ago when I launched that. was fun. So I, no offense, but I won't make you feel a little bit bad, Josh. Yeah. And, and now that

I know that, like, you had him on the podcast and you never had me. What the fuck is that? But I had, no, I had, Brian, no, you didn't. I had Brian on my first podcast years ago that will go unnamed. I have to say, I have been a points, a points boy, a point salad for, for many a day, big fan of Brian Kelly, big fan of his entire enterprise. And boys it an enterprise. Money, money, Money, money, money, guys. Yeah, that honestly, that was the, I put up like an Instagram story just asking people to ask questions and everybody was just like, how much cash does Brian have on him right now? I think I have like 200.

I always love cash, even though I'm the points guy, but like I love tipping people. I hate it like hurts my soul. Like, and it just makes life easier. Like in my garage, I tip them 20 bucks every time I get the car. You better believe I've never once been to that garage. Like, you know, most of the time they'll be like, you know. or if you don't show up in time. And yeah, a little bit of grease goes a long way.

No, we, Josh and I always talk about this. You need to have a guy. And none of my friends ever have cash. I'll, like, get someone's flight and everything. And I'll be like, oh, I don't have cash. Did you have a 20 for the driver? Oh, sorry, like 10 people in the car, no cash. Like, people don't have cash these days.

You need cash, especially if you're traveling. Absolutely. How dangerous are you walking around with your credit card that literally is meaningless? And this shocks me. Most people, especially the young kids, kids, don't realize you should tip housekeeping, especially in the United States. These people are cleaning your filthy stuff. They're getting paid barely a living wage if they're lucky. I'm telling you, give 20 bucks the first day of your stay to housekeeping, put a little note in it, leave it on

the bed or on the, you know, just put housekeeping. They will hook you up. You'll get more nespresso pods. You'll get more free water. You'll get 80 towels, whatever you want. It'll be, even if it's not $20, $10 will make their day. And do it early in the stay. So you get hooked up the whole time. Josh, how much are you tipping at the Fairfield Marriott? I'm laying down big money. So, Ben, first, ouch, low blow. And it's called the Fairfield in and sweets. Sorry, my bad. Just like the Spring Hill. Springhill sweet. He loves him. I'm not kidding. Especially with kids. Like it's, I grew up on this. The free continental breakfast. Brian, you're preaching to the choir here. I will, I always give

$20 per day that I'm there because I'm usually only there like, well, if, On there, like two nights, I'll give 20 bucks when I leave. I don't usually give it beforehand just because what are they going to give me at the Spring Hill Suite? So there's no an espresso pod. But they will take extra good care of you. I think you should start leaving some in the beginning because I used to owe, my dad taught me to always leave it at the end.

But then also if you leave it at the end, the person that was helping you, your host, they may not get it. Totally. So I believe. And I think for everyone, okay, 20 bucks a day is a lot for most people. But like five bucks a day, I think is sort of standard for housekeeping, especially in the U.S. You know, in Europe, the people will say, well, they get people.

paid a higher wage, but I still feel, you know, tip and tip the door, you know, the guys who help you with your bags. I used to be so cheap and, like, avoid them. Like, no, no, I'm good. I have my bags. But especially now with traveling with kids, it's so nice. I, like, arrived the hotel. I'm like, just here, I'll give you money to bring it.

You know, these guys are not making, and girls are not making a lot of money. So, like, if you have the cash, like a little bit to the people who make your travels better, just do it. The worst is when you'll get karma points for it. The worst is when your bellman brings your bags upstairs, undoing them. You look in your pocket. You have no cash. I know.

And he say, yeah, I'll hit you later. I'll hit you later. I promise I'll find you downstairs. Yeah. Never to be found again. Yeah. That's why you just got it. And when that happens, the next time you have a bell person helping you just give them double.

It does all even out in the end. I think I've had really smooth travels, not just because I fly first class and I'm the points guy and they treat me well. But I do believe it's a large part due to the karma points that I build up by, you know, tipping people. So Josh and I love to complain about travel. Honestly, it's all that we do. Every single time we set foot on a plane, we're complaining about a various experience. And you told me that you just came out with, the points guy just came out with the, what was? Best airlines. Yeah. So for eight years now, we like rate all the U.S. airlines. So there's probably like, you know, we rank the top 10. And we look at, because everyone has their favorite, right? You know, and it's largely like if you're in Miami, you're flying American, you know, for the most part. Or Atlanta, your Delta. But we wanted to look at four main categories. So reliability being the best. biggest. Like what airlines actually going to get you there on time? And reliability is also like

missing bags so that, you know, bumping passengers, you know, all the things that airlines do that are really naughty, we would ding them. And then we looked at like the customer experience, like airlines that are actually nice. Like Delta has family seating policy where they actually will not charge you to sit with your kids, which shockingly many airlines will- charge you to sit with your kids. Yeah. So, you know, airlines are making money on fees these days. So you book on a low-cost carrier. Even if you're traveling with two like four-year-olds, they'll make you pay to sit with your child on many airlines. Wow.

Yeah, it's pretty, pretty ballsy. Sick. So anyway, so yeah, it's like reliability, affordability, and then also loyalty because we're the points guys. So we like blend this whole, we crunch a bunch of data. Yeah, so for this six year in a row, Delta came in at number one. And interestingly, they weren't number one in any one of the four subcategories, but they're just really good across the board.

And so yeah, so Delta is one, Alaska to United three, American Airlines four, and then Southwest was number five. See, Claudia, Alaska is a reliable airline. I love, I fly Alaska home from California. Alaska's great. Their frequent flyer programs amazing. Wow. They have actually going to London and it's 45,000 miles one-way business class.

Wow. Alaska? Do they have lay flats on Alaska though? Well, so they don't, right? The joy of Alaska is you don't use Alaska violence to fly Alaska, which is like the core tip I have for most frequent flyer programs. Like even, you know, when you redeem on partners, you're generally going to get like a better experience. Alaska has a million partners, British Airways or anyway.

But Alaska, yeah, so whenever you go New York to LA, you'll say, okay, let me splurge for business class. Everything's $3,000. And then Alaska is like $640. You're like, oh, sweet. Yeah. But you realize you're getting a recliner seat on a six-hour flight. I personally can't sleep, you know, sitting up. But it's a good airline overall, Alaska.

Wow. Do you think that as far as these airlines go, like Delta, I feel like it knows that they're number one. They know. Listen, you walk into a Delta plane point sky sticker on the side, NBD. You know what I mean? But they're charging for that. And that is not the reason why we gave them the award. But they're charging for that.

Josh, you're totally right. Affordability, they were the lowest because they actually, they know it and they charge a premium. But I think a lot of passengers these days will say, look, if all things consider, Delta's the most on-time airline. So if your time is worth any money, you'll pay a premium to get where you're going with relatively little headaches. And, you know, even Delta's old planes look brand new because they re-verb the cabins. You know, some of those planes that look brand new, they're like 25 years old. Unlike some airlines, like United has some rust buckets out there that are straight out of home alone. You know, like American Airlines still has like U.S. Airways planes that don't even have power sockets.

Yeah. So, you know, Delta, you're going to get Wi-Fi. Now they have, they're rolling out free Wi-Fi, family seating. During the pandemic, Delta was the nicest with like, you know, not expiring frequent flyers, giving status. American Airlines still expires frequent flyer miles. They're the only loyalty program. So, you know, no airline's perfect, but Delta is pretty good.

And I think the biggest thing is their employees are so nice in general because they get profit sharing. So Delta employees are part of the success of the company. Most of the other airlines have horrible labor relations. They're always on the verge of a strike. You go on some airlines and they're visibly mad and they take it out on the consumer, which I don't agree with, but in general, Delta,

you know, they have some bad apples, But Delta flight attendants, gate agents, they're like happy to be there. Yeah. This episode of The Good Guys podcast is brought to you by Philadelphia Cream Cheese. You heard that right? Philadelphia Cream Cheese is sponsoring the Good Guys podcast. Can you pinch me? Somebody pinch me.

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You have to go by the regular plebeian, even though I paid for a first-class seat. Yeah, so Delta has been, when it comes to lounges, Delta's had like one-size-fits-all. Anyone with an Amex or can go in the lounge. That's actually changing now, And soon, like next week, they're having a press unveiling of their new Delta One experience at JFK. So if you pay for that expensive L.A. or, you know, Europe flight on Delta One, you'll have a separate experience than just everyone else that's in the lounge.

I mean, the lines out of the lounges these days are insane. Yeah, they are. I flew to Delta. I paid $7,000, you know, Cape Town to Atlanta. And there was a line like a mile long at Hartsfield Airport for paid. You know, there was a delineation. but it was still a line to get in. And I'm like, at that point, I'm not sitting there jet lag waiting to get into a lounge where you can, like, wait in line to get a picked over buffet.

What was that service that Mrs. Pat spoke about, Josh? Oh, yeah. She has the private, like, where she's taken right to the plane, the private ambassador. The 360, Delta 360. Yeah. I know that this is a thing. But she also gets, like, that thing, Brian, you know, where people, you can literally pay for concierge service the moment you get to the airport.

Yeah, so people, you know, so it's funny because people will try to get these secret airline, you know, Delta 360, United Global Services, and you have to spend like 60 grand a year. And I know people who will just spend needlessly like extra flights to Asia at the end of the year just to hopefully get it. But they don't realize is you can just pay like 500 bucks each time you fly, which isn't cheap, but they'll meet you at the curb, take you through secret lounges, et cetera. It's like a better deal to do that or pay three to $500 than spend like 20 grand unnecessarily with like hope and a prayer that they'll invite you into. a secret club. For 500 bucks, they'll pick you up at the beginning. At the beginning, they'll bring you through security, you know, depending, they'll even pick you up on like on a golf car or drive you through immigration. So for families, especially if you've got kids, you've got a tight connection in Atlanta coming home from South America. You can pay for the service and they whisk you through everything. Wow. Which is, that's the ultimate luxury. Yeah. Brian, I have a, I've prepared a couple questions throughout our podcast and that leads me to my first one. What would you prefer getting to go direct?

directly in your flight, no matter what, right from the curbside, walk right onto your flight, or have access to the greatest lounges in the world. I mean, time is money. I think especially after becoming a dad, like when I, I want to spend as much time, especially before a trip if I can't bring my son. Like, I want to minimize my time in the airport. Like, I don't drink that much anymore. So like going to the lounge and getting wasted, which I used to do like in my 20s, kind of fun.

But then you're like, you know, you realize that's not like a sustainable way. you like just destroys you and especially internationally. So and food, I mean, some of the lounges have okay food, but at the end of the day, so airport food. So I don't know, I'm, I have access to all the lounges. A lot of times I'll get a Starbucks and just go sit at a gate, go on my phone, you know, just relax, not around people. Because also like when I walk into an airline lounge, it's like my, that's like where I'm the most famous celebrity. Oh yeah, it's like, I feel the, I always joke. Like if I need my, if I need like a self-esteem boost, it's like walk into a Centurion Lounge because I can immediately just feel eyes on me and like, oh my God,

like double takes and be like, you're the reason I'm here, man, you know, which I enjoy. But like, if I'm traveling sometimes, I just want to be like, you know, Brian Kelly walks into a Ritz Carlton and that GM's like, all hands on deck. You know what's so funny? I have followers who are also called Brian Kelly and they will, I frequently get say they think I'm you and I've gotten so many upgrades or whatever. Wow. Which is funny because a lot of times when I travel, I don't need. even get it. I actually have friends who will call ahead and say I'm traveling with Brian, like, and they'll get upgrades. People are just scam artists. Scam artists. Yeah, I've got a lot of

back to these lounges though. I, I can't walk through LaGuardia and not be angry at how beautiful it is and how long they now have made it for me to get to my gate. Yeah. To Josh's question. Like I personally prefer right onto the plane. Don't even offer me a bottle of water. If I can get immediately onto the plane, that would be, that's the dream. And that's why these, I want to talk about these exos and these JSXs and like all of these like not yet. Well, I know Josh has a lot of questions. But these like semi-private, I feel like they're the way of the future. They feel they feel so much cheaper than they should be.

Yeah. And so much more convenient. Yeah. You're in and out. Yeah. Saving time hassle is the name of the game. Yeah. But I will say there's a new crop of airport lounges, the credit card lounges.

So I don't know if you've been to the Chase Sapphire lounge at LaGuardia. No. It's probably the most insane lounge in all of America. It's like beautiful, super high-end. Capital One has new lounges that are in, you know, pelitons, fresh food, like, you know, craft coffee, you know, good cocktails. So there are some really nice. I would say overall the lounges are getting better. Like 10 years ago, lounges were like cubes, like cranky businessmen and like cubes of cheese and pretzel ramekins. Now, you know, they are better, but they are crowded. Quick tangent, do you know anybody that banks with Capital One? Yeah, I know. I think a lot of people do. Really? Yeah.

Do you, Josh? Oh, what? Like the Capital One cafes. I just don't know anyone. Like, I feel like it's like one big Ponzi scene. Like I see all these cafes. I just like, who? Capital One's a big bank.

I mean, I love their credit cards. I don't do my banking with them. They're credit cards. Yeah. But I see these banks. I'm like, who uses these banks? I don't know, Ben. Like last year, I remember that Silicon Valley Bank went down.

I'm like, who banks with them? And Ben was like, me. Yeah. Yeah, no. But that was like a startup bank, whatever. We've moved on. Don't worry. We pulled all our money. We're good. We're good. Good old J.B. bailed you out. Thank God. Yeah, no, I know. I pass. We can cut that out, Ben. No, it's good. Keep going. But I know what you mean. There's certainly banks where I go, like, who's banking with, like, First West Mutual of Omaha, Denmark bank? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's, like, millions of banks.

Yeah, there are. I'm just saying Capital One is, like, a premier bank. I don't know anybody that has. a checking account. That's all. I agree their credit cards. Yeah, yeah. Successful, clearly. But I just don't know anybody that banks of them. Do you judge, I was once asking a flight attendant this, I was like, do you judge a pilot on a rough landing? She goes, hell yes. Do you? For sure. And I just want to get back to Ben. Ben, how often are you asking your friends and family where they bank? Is that, is this like of all your friends? Like, I actually, like, why are you shocked at this Capital One revelation? Like, do you know? No, we're all of your friends and family bank?

No, but I assume, I assume. You know what happens when you assume. It's Chase or TD. Yeah, it's true. It's true. But I assume it's Chase or TD. Doesn't it feel that way? No, I think you're completely wrong.

Are you chased? I'm Chase, yeah, for the most part. See? See, I assumed. Josh, are you chased? No. No, he's like fifth third. Wait, all the celebrities like that fifth third bank or whatever.

What's that one? I'm cutting this out, but we're all. Oh, that's what it is, yeah. So you think my-cal-we're all going to get dogs. You think my Capital One call is a terrible call. Probably. I think so. It's like a really well-known well-roreding.

They have Sam Jackson money. They can afford Spike Lee in their commercials. I think they have a lot of like online. They have like a lot of those online high-yield checking too. I think they have like a lot of digital bank accounts. I look into them. Yeah. All right.

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Margo just had this. Did she tell you about this? No. But I'm not shocked because I feel like she's got a black cloud over all over. She does with flying. Margo just landed in Nashville. The plane like apparently slammed down. It was a terrible landing and then went straight back up.

Oh my gosh. And the oxygen mask dropped and she had a full boom panic attack. I've never had the oxygen mask drop. And they like didn't use them, but like slammed back up. And meanwhile, she can't even see what's happening because she's at a seat with no window. Do you know this about Margo? Josh, every plane that she gets on, she never has a window. She's in the weird in between.

No, yeah, she'll look to the right and there's no window. I upgraded her once to first class when she was going somewhere and she was like literally texted. Like, you've got to be kidding me. She got the one seat that like to know window. Dino window. Dying. I've had two emergency or two where they've had to. to pull back up. What I don't like about that is they never say in the moment. They never. They just do it. And then they'll tell it. I had someone say it like after we had landed. It added like

an extra 30 minutes. Like we clearly were about to land and then we're all of a sudden above the clouds and like, yeah, we had a little wind shear warning had to go around a couple times. I'm like, but meanwhile, all 300 people on the plane are thinking they're about to die for 30 minutes straight. Like a simple, hey, everything's fine. We just have to go around. We'd like bring everyone's anxiety down dramatically. But I mean, I get it. It's. they're flying the plane, but you can make an announcement. Or the flight attendant who couldn't, wouldn't shut the fuck up for the last two hours. I think they probably like it because everyone's silent and just like compliant for the first time ever.

So they like to keep people in that state of shock. Yeah. Would you rather have an annoying, overly attentive flight attendant or no flight attendant at all? Oh, overly annoying. I like service. I hate, that's my pet peeve, especially when you pay for business class and they disappear. You have, like, I mean, I will hit the call button. And then sometimes they still won't even come.

But yeah. What's the best airline for food in a first class? I mean, Air France La Prémer is really good. They've got like Michelin quality, like really, I think their champagne actually could be a little bit better. But they're really good. And, you know, of all the first classes out there. And Air France would set them apart. When you land in Paris, they pick you up into a seven series at the plane.

Wow. And then whisk you off, you know, through private security or immigration. That's like they are like primo there. So yeah, I think Air France. The Asian carriers are very good, too. Singapore Airlines. The Middle Eastern carriers are their food isn't amazing, but the in-flight experience, like, you know, the showers on Emirates and things like that.

Speaking of food, Josh, did you hear the clams are back at White Castle? Clams? Would you eat clams on a plane? I was driving past a white castle yesterday and I looked at my right. There's a huge sign. It says clams are back. And I googled it. And White Castle now serves clams.

Or they're like a tried clam poboy or something. Oh, I'm in. How disgusting is that? I like to play Russian roulette with my gut health. I am in, babe. You know, sometimes it's good to just give it a nice shock. You know, like shake it up a little bit. They've been shocked.

Yeah. Our systems have been shocked from the food. Yeah. It's enough. Try us. It try us, exactly. Like that was it, was it Elal where we had that salmon? Oh, we made the local news in Israel.

People, it was literally, they, L.L., we were in first class in the 747. They literally served, it was. Rancid. Absolutely rancid food. I will tell everyone, anyone listening, I always like to give tips in the podcast. I was flying once. A friend, after like a weekend, we were in Stockholm. He got a Caesar salad, chicken Caesar salad sandwich from a vending machine at 8 a.m.

on a Sunday in Stockholm, which I was like, dude, that's not a good idea. Like, Caesar salads, to begin with, have a shelf life from a vending machine. It's been sitting there. And I swear we got up in the air. And this was on a fully packed plane. We're an economy. This is like my pre-TP-G days. And the flight attendant's coming back, taking orders.

He's in the seat in front of me. And I swear, I thought his can of Diet Coke blew. But no, he just projectile vomited. The flight attendant screamed, turned around and ran down the front of the plane. And everyone, there was not a single other seat to move to. No one could move. So the flight attendant came up with, it was Delta. these like coach blankets, the really thin ones.

She dumped a bunch of powder in the aisle. She just put the blankets on top and then continued food service. Everyone, we sat there in this smelly puke for like seven hours. From the chicken Caesar? Yeah. So word of the wise, do not. I mean, Caesar salads in general, you want to get never from a vending machine, fresh from a nice hotel maybe, but be careful a vending machine food before a flight.

Yeah, nasty. That's nuts. That leads me to my next question. If you were given the choice to fly 50% private, but the other 50%'s got to be spirit, would you do it? So first, let me say, spirit's not as bad as people make it out to me. So I would do spirit because- You're not running for President, Brian.

You're the points guy. I'm a man of the people. First of all, let me tell you why spirit's not that bad. They actually are pretty on-time airline. And all of the low-cost carriers, so this is where people are to make the mistake. People will just try to play the game and lose where you go at the cheapest fare

and then you've got to thread a tight needle to make sure you win at that game. Like you need to know the sizing, everything. And I know people who are like, you know, especially in Europe, they learn that early on flying Ryanair. But the thing is you can pay $10 and be treated like an ultimate king on Spirit.

So like I booked last minute all the time. And the thing with flying American or United Delta, all their elite members take all the good seats on a plane. So I don't mind flying economy, but I have to be in an exit row. I have to be in a bulkhead. Those get booked up months in advance on the big carrier.

So when I fly Spirit, everyone's so cheap, no one pays for seating assignments. So you can always last minute get the best seats on the plane. And they have this up front seat, which is like a first class recliner. And so yeah, it's like if you spend a little bit extra, but everyone has a mentality of like, I have to just get it the cheapest. But you spend a little bit on fees and you're treated really well and can get the best seats. I don't know where this rumor came from that if you fly Spirit or Frontier, you care less for your life. Then you do if you fly Delta.

These planes aren't crashing. No, funny enough, flying private is way more dangerous than any commercial aircraft. In 2023, so for all the nervous flyers out there, which I know there's so many, that's one of the top questions I get. In 2023, there was only one crap. At a 30 million flights, 60 people died in Nepal. It was pilot error, you know, sad thing. But like out of, you know, it's like astronomically low the amount of people who died from aviation. Private aviation is still safer than driving, but is definitely more dangerous.

You know, more private jets go down than commercial aircraft. So Spirit, any low-cost carrier, frankly, there are some airlines that aren't allowed to fly to the U.S. But generally, commercial flying is insanely safe no matter the carrier. I was doing a TV show with John Stamos, and it was an interesting block of TV because it was me and John Stamos. And then the next show was Roblo and Fred Savage. And so we were all on a private jet once, and I was like, if this plane goes down, you can just erase the 80s and 90s. Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't have like the key man clause. They have to be on separate planes for the rest of their lives.

I know, Rob and John. The cultural heritage of this great nation. So when are they going to get points for these like semi-private airlines? Is that coming like for the XOs or for the JSXs or it's all going to be a cash? Not really because those, those, they sell themselves based on like the experience. Like the major airlines have to give away points and status because they're all essentially the same. You know, I mean, Delta charges a premium and that's why, you know. But, yeah, I don't think that there's going to be huge points.

You know, the margins are pretty low. In aviation in general, I mean, we've seen jet smarter came and crashed in. Well, I shouldn't use the word crashed in aviation. You know, jet smarter melted down because it's just really tough to make that private. And I'm hoping JSX survives. And, you know, they even have bark air now for dogs, which I think is cool. They're getting sued. The interesting thing that major airlines try to sue, like JSX is being sued by all the major.

is because they just want to bleed them dry. So their margins are not big enough. The only reason why points exist today in the way that they do is because the credit cards make so much money for the airlines. So the credit card, Delta, 1% of US GDP goes on a Delta co-branded credit card. And Delta is making percentage of all of that. I think Delta made $7 billion of revenue last year from just their credit cards. It's like a massive, basically the airlines are profitable

only because of their frequent flyer programs. So JSX isn't going to be able to have a huge credit card portfolio that would make sense. It really would almost be like a rebate on already very razor-thin margins. So people ask me this all the time. How does Brian and how does the points guy make money? Like, are you comfortable talking about that? Yeah, I mean, so full-disclosure. So I no longer run the points guy.

I'm not involved in the day-to-day decisions. Like, I'm our head spokesperson. I'm not, and I'm not at liberty to talk about. I'm not going to give any money. Back in the day, not today. But fundamentally, I mean, I started the points guy as a blog in 2010, and I started monetizing it doing affiliate marketing. A friend of mine was at what is now Racketon

was called LinkShare. And he was like, you're writing about the Amex Platinum. You should get approved to be an affiliate. And meanwhile, I had like 50,000 monthly uniques to my website then. I was like, no one knows about the points guy. And he's like, actually, you'd be surprised the Amex team at the affiliate, they love your website.

And you're very, you know, generally, I'm very positive about credit cards because that's the best way to get points. So once I got into affiliate marketing, which basically just means instead of writing Americanexpress.com slash platinum, I would just use my personal link, which affiliate marketing is very normal today. Influencers, that's how everyone's making money, get a portion of my outfit of the day, et cetera.

In 2011, it was not, I was almost like, is this scammy? You know, like, am I tricking people into clicking a link? And then, but in the credit card world, if you can convince someone to get a credit card, which requires a credit check and approval, instead of getting like 2% of a sale, it was like very significant. It was like $300 and up per credit card. And just so, you know, for me, my audience was business travelers, bankers, lawyers, the people who are credit worthy and they trusted me and it made sense for them because the sign-up

bonuses were big. So I started making money through affiliate marketing and credit cards. And then as the points guy grew from like me to a media brand with, you know, we now have 140 employees. We now sell sponsorships. We've got more than just the site. It's, you know, social media, newsletters, et cetera. So we've built a media brand. But, you know, in general, the points guy, you know, was able to grow due to, you know, partnering with credit cards. I mean, in 2016, we launched a Sapphire Reserve with Chase. We had an exclusive deal with them. We were the only blog that had that got paid on that card at the time. And that was what like took us to the next stratosphere. And then once a credit card companies realized like you can work with the points guy, we are

built into like all the people who are points people in their world. So, you know, even if we have 10 million monthly uniques, our reach is much further because our hardcore readers tell their friends what credit cards to get. They're taste makers in their own world. So, so yeah, that's the long and short. It was credit card affiliate. Fascinating. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by KiwiCo. Whether you're staying home or headed out on summer explorations, KiwiCo is inviting kids and kids at heart to enjoy their first ever summer adventure series. Kids from two years old to teens can receive six hands-on science and art project kits over six weeks with enriching content and fun activities to accompany each project.

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I'm talking it up. Did you just help me? I was going to say, way to assume his sexuality. I know it's Pride Month, but... Well, it was nice knowing you guys before I get canceled. Yeah. You're on a date with a lovely person. And he uses a debit card.

And they use a debit card. And they use a debit card. What do you do? So first, it is a challenge, I have to say. By the way, you should really just talk about this from the purview of my wife because the day that Brian met Claudia, she had a debit card, Josh. Actually, that's the reason why Claudia was like on Instagram and we had been following each other and just doing stupid pop culture stuff.

And Claudia, when it was like, I don't get it. Why does everyone have points? And like my Chase debit card isn't getting me. anywhere. It doesn't make sense. I was like, you moron. Like that is an amazing impression of yeah. And she's like I was like it's not that hard. She's like come on the morning breath. So the rest was history. But I have to like it's funny. I mean my dating I actually like my dating stories are really funny because people will either pretend to not know me. Yeah. And go overly like I have no idea what points or I don't know what you do. I've never I've never traveled in my life.

People people love that because they're like trying to play cool like oh I'm not I'm not going to which to me is just so disingenuous because I'm like, I researched you. I know you're an attorney here because I googled you. You saying like you didn't, you know, and I'm like in my dating profile, I'm not trying to hide who I am or whatever. They're like I'm a greyhound guy. I wouldn't know you. Yeah.

Well, people will, it's like either or or I literally had a guy go, oh, I was on my family text chain saying I'm going on a date with the points guy. And my mom was saying, bring your passport in case he takes you to the Maldives. And I'm like just. We don't go to the Maldives anymore. Oh, I know. I just saw that. That is such a shame.

because Maldives are beautiful. But yeah, that's... Can you sneak me in? We'll tell no one. Like, how do I get there anyways? There's plenty of other places. So Maldives are beautiful, but I mean, Josh, have you been to Bora Bora, Tahiti? I haven't, but it looks insane. But honestly, it's eight hours from L.A. versus like 23 hours from New York.

So, you know, French, I love Bora Bora and even the island of Moraya in Tahiti is amazing. with you can actually, that's where I went and swam with humpback whales. You can actually get in the water. It's terrifying. Your wife would literally decease. And then she'd love it though. Can we? You know the story of Claudia and the BVI's I took her and were a boating and a beautiful blue water and she's afraid of fish. Yeah. She literally has a fish phobia. She started screaming. There were these beautiful parrot fish. Blood curdling scream in the water. Get me out. Get me out. She comes out. I'm like, Claudia, you have a fear of fish? She goes, no, that's totally normal. And she goes, I'm like, I'm crying. The boat captain is.

like, ma'am, with all due respect, that is not normal. I've never once in my life, you know, these are like beautiful, colorful fish. Claudia was like gas lining us. She's like, you guys are crazy. Everyone's afraid of fish. And Brian, you're the polar opposite. Like, you're afraid of nothing. I mean, like, as it relates to you go on, honestly, talk about these dives. Like, we, like, that's really like, you're, you go on these amazing vacations. I've been fortunate to go on some of them with you. But like, you're a scuba diving savant. Well, I had actually in the mall dives when I was there in March, I had a bad experience. The currents were crazy and I got slammed into the coral reef and had like cuts.

It was a full-blown panic attack. I luckily, you know, when scuba diving, you have to not panic because that doesn't help when you're below water. But I actually kind of had a, I will still scuba dive, but I'm going to be much more conservative. I think also that I'm a single dad that I'm trying, like I love horses and jumping horses, but probably not the best, you know. So I'm trying to like, everything is risk in life, right?

But I generally do love scuba and you see sharks, you see. But you had a bad experience. I didn't even know this. What happened? So basically, you know, when you fly all the way to the Maldives, so I went out on dive sites that were really boring. And I said to them, hey, I flew 24 hours to get here. Like, take me to see the good stuff.

Like, I'm an advanced diver. I've advanced certification. And they were like, well, the currents can be strong, but like, we'll take you to this one area. I was with this Italian dive instructor. He's cool. But we get into the water. And a current isn't a bad thing because it's kind of nice. It can push you along.

So you don't even have to swim. You're just like cruising in this crystal clear water. Great. But it was like getting shot out of a cannon. And like underwater. that makes it hard to turn and stuff. So I had to get out of the jet stream and getting off, like I hit into the reef and I didn't have a full wet suit on.

And then I didn't realize like reef is like living organism that got stuck in my skin. So for like a month, it was kind of gnarly. And in addition, I kind of had a head cold. So when you go underwater real quick, I had a, my head was like pounding and my heart rates through the roof. I'm bleeding. It was like not a great situation. Josh, are you also having a panic attack listening to this story?

Because I fully can't breathe. I'm just thinking about tell me. you're doing well without telling me you're doing well is your main hobbies are equestrian and scuba. I know. It's so funny too. I was getting insurance like life insurance or something once and they followed me on Instagram and they were like respectfully no. That's amazing. Yeah. But I am happy. I was like, oh, I probably shouldn't have put those horse jumping videos. And like I had fallen that week too. And I think I put on my story like, oh, ha ha, fell off my horse, but I'm fine. You know. Thank God you're alive for a million reasons. But that's like such a classic story where people die. Like you went.

in, you're like, I want a scuba dive. They're like, okay, you can scuba dive here. You're like, oh, no, I want something that's off, like, off book. And like, it's, and generally I don't do that. With scuba, I'm pretty like, so I don't know why I did that. And the guy actually said it was way worse than he thought. Turks and Caicos. Turks and Caicos are great too. But there's something about the South Pacific. Where did we go for the diving? Where did we go that crap hole that we dove at? What was the? Oh, my God, Turks and no, no, not, no, not in Turks. Oh, no, not in Belize. And I didn't even go. Belize. We're not ready. Oh my God. Brian, Brian, Brian, like, texted us, I guess, six months before we went on this trip.

We went for New Year's, Josh, to Belize two years ago, I think, at this point. He texted us, he's like, Belize is up and coming. It's going to be amazing. This place, like, we're getting in before anybody. We get there. Belize is a fucking shithole. I'm sorry. Oh, my God.

At the Belize tourism board right now. Great. Shit. Great. Yeah, they should be going shit because also should we tell the story about. Have you told the story before? I've never told the story. Should we tell the story?

Brian was almost murdered in Belize. By the way, call that the title. Brian was almost murdered in Belize. Are you going to be telling? I mean, it's just truth. Okay. Belize is a shithole, and Brian was almost murdered in Belize. And you can call that the title.

He was almost murdered. He went out. He, like, him and our friend John and me and Claudia and Margo were on vacation. I mean, I'm just going to tell the story. I've never told it before. Tell the story? I just like, I mean, I have to tell. I struggle with it because.

I don't want to like, you know, I think being like a representative tourism, I don't want to like hurt like people. But I think it's just true. You have to also just tell the truth. So we're in Belize, Amber Griske. Amber Griske. Is that, I think that's Amber Gariske. Anyway, we went out in town to dinner. You guys stayed home that night.

Yeah, Brian said to us. She's like, we're going to go into town. And me and Claudia are like, yeah, we're good. We're fine. Thank God. Thank God. Because if Claudia was there? She would have had.

a heart attack. Yeah. It was actually the most frightening experience ever traveling, but we're walking out of dinner and it's New Year, like the night before New Year's Eve. So we're walking by this bar that we were told to go to the hotspot in town. We're like, let's just go to a different one first. And I saw a guy on the street and I swore I saw a gun on his side, but I think in a state of denial, I was like, no, it wasn't a gun. It's like, you know, what do I know? Or maybe he's a off-duty cop, but I definitely clocked it. I was like, hmm. And then about 30 seconds later, and we're on the north side of the street. 30 seconds later we hear pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop,

and everyone's eating outside in these cafes with open windows and no one flinches. And we went up to someone, you know, at the restaurant, they're like, oh, no, no, it's New Year's. Like there's fireworks. But like my spidey sense was kind of going off. And then what did it for me was a dog, was the dog started flying down the street.

The dogs knew something was up. And I remember thinking this isn't, and then we started seeing some people run and people started screaming, shooting, shooting, Mind you, my best friend Becca had just told me she was pregnant at dinner. So I'm like, and luckily my son who was in Belize was at the hotel with his nanny, but we had to run into a storefront and they closed the doors behind us. We went into the back.

We hid behind clothing racks. And the craziest thing about it was there were never police sirens. There were no police around. I don't know if it was because they don't want to alarm tourists on the island whenever this thing happens. But we were like 15 minutes. There was actually a woman in the shop who was a local, start screaming, I know Charlie, Charlie, I'm going to get Charlie. And we're like, stop, stay here. And she's like, I let me out. And we're like, because at this point, there's an active shooter on the street.

And finally, I call our drive. Everyone there drives golf carts. One thing I've learned like traveling, I'm always going to be like in control of my transportation and like golf carts. So I had a driver, the whole trip, like in a minivan. So I just like, what's up the driver? I was like, we got to just bounce because it was crazy. No cops were coming. There's a shooter on the loose. Finally, the driver. pulls up, we just run out, get back to the hotel. And sadly, an American tourist, she was on the street, on the other side of the street. She was 22 on the back of a golf cart with her family, like nursing student from New Orleans, and she was killed. It was like really, really. In the middle of our trip to Belize, Josh, this happened. Whoa. Yeah. Insane. So it was like

the tail end. We spent New Year's at the hotel and we left. And I really, I mean, I struggled to tell the story because it's, I'm not trying to say, I mean, Belize city, which is on the mainland, has lots of crime. We were told very, you know, we weren't going to hang out in Belize City. That's known. We flew in, flew right out. And, you know, we live in America. So I'm very cognizant, like, gun violence happens here a lot. I do not want to just be like, this is a Latin American issue. Obviously, we have gun violence in America. However, I think everyone traveling, and, you know, the State Department just issued like an alert for pride celebrations. Like, you, in this day and age, you have to be prepared as much as you can. So always know, I would just say,

the point of this segment is always know your surroundings, always know where exits are, and always have the 911 number. It's not 911 in most countries. So whenever you go to a foreign country, register with the State Department. They have what's called the step program. You can register where you are. If there's a landslide or anything like that, they need to know you're there. So, and then also just know your exits. And please take this from me, whenever you go to a hotel, the next time you're at a hotel and every time thereafter, know where, when you get off the elevator, where your room is and know where the exit stair, are. Because if that smoke is filling the hallway, and that's a matter of life and death, you

knowing where the exit is, it seems so simple. But that, in many cases, if there's a fire, if you don't know which side of the hallway and you can't see it, you could literally die. So not to take a dark turn. It's my bad. This is really, these tips were given to me many years ago. Always kind of, yeah. And if you're at a crowded event, always know where the exits are. Like, you have to be aware these days. You can't just assume, you know, that everything's going to be okay. In my case, I mean, I don't think there was anything we could have done. We were in the main crowded area. From what we learned, it was a gang fight. The owner of the bar we were supposed to go to, apparently didn't pay off the gangs, something like that. It was retribution. And sadly,

the, you know, the tourists got caught in the crossfire. So not, you know, Belize has amazing diving. And there are many amazing other smaller islands that, you know, I know many people enjoy. But that was, you know, definitely a scary experience. This is why I go ground level at the Marriott Courtyard, no matter what. So you can run. I'm on the first floor. I'm climbing out the window. Oh, ooh, ooh, what's on your naughty country list that you'd love to see if you could?

I'm talking North Korea. I'm talking Turkmenistan. I'm talking Tehran. Yeah. So interestingly, Iran, I know a lot of Iranian-American friends who are, and it's such like a culturally, like, rich country that. It looks fabulous. And I know a lot of people have been to a lot of, I know like probably 10 of the people have been

to every country in the world. and Iran is consistently the people, the culture and food is great. It just sucks their government. It's so horrible. And they actually, there's a tourism board there that keeps inviting me. And I'm just like, respectfully, not for me. You know, I'll go to Dubai personally, you know, being a gay outman. Like in Dubai, frankly, it's, you know.

We can't go to Iran. The three of us cannot go for various reasons. But it's a shame because it really is. Well, hold on. Wait to hear the offer from the tourism board. Don't shoot us in the foot right away, Ben. Hey, why is this ticket one way? It might not be a lot of deliverables.

Maybe just this is a story, six figures for his story. Yeah, six figures in Iranian. Yeah. Yeah. Now, weren't we? I mean, North Korea sounds fabulous. I will not go to North Korea even because of just, you know, the, what's the guy's name? That poor Otto.

Otto, you know, he was tortured. I mean, what people don't realize in most countries, like the U.S. is not going to protect you. actually, if you go to the State Department website, it specifically states we cannot and will not help you if you're arrested. And a lot of people, I know one of my favorite TV shows is locked up abroad. And granted, that's mostly about drug smugglers, but a lot of people violate rules. You know, gay men, a gay guy was in Morocco recently and Qatar just got arrested for trying to go on Grindr. People, we have this mindset of like, oh, I'm American.

Like, my government will bail me out. They will not. Let's be clear everyone. If you do dumb shit, even if you have Adderall and you go to Japan, Adderall can get you, like, locked up, like, in flying to certain country. So another tip. With all your medications, double check that they're, you know, especially the ones that are, like, hard to get, like the protected ones. Like, you know, you might be able to get out and plead in this, you know, ignorance, but you'd be shocked some places where you could literally go to jail and. I would not do

well in a foreign jail. Yeah. I don't think. I wouldn't do well in a domestic jail. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Have you been to jail? I've never been to jail, Josh. Have you been to jail, Josh? No, but you know, I think minimum security, something fun. I like, I need friends. Well, I would do well in the Latin American jails because did you know that they actually don't give you food or anything? But if you have money, you're treated like a king. So there's like a caste system. And the people with outside money, you employ people to protect you, you employ people that you live like a king.

It's, and you pay off all the guards. You know, it's, I'm in. Yeah. All right, cool. I would start one of those cooking channels on a phone that I snuck in. to the jail. And I'm like, you know, making ramen off my radiator. I say, why not? It would make me industrious. Yeah. I think I die in jail. It's like one of my biggest fears. I'm like, what am I doing that could get me? You know, like, you know, you look at people who've gone to jail

that we know. No, it used to be, I used to have these like dreams. I'm paying my taxes. I double check sometimes. Yeah, I have dreams too. I'm like checking my account. I'm like, I'm paid up, right? Like, what are the things I could do that? But I used to have that classic dream, which I've heard many other people have had where like you didn't submit a final and you never graduate and you never graduated right and then that goes away and then the dream start of what did I forget to do that's going to land me in prison I have the one drunk driving so in high school I was hit by drunk driver luckily I was fine but a lot of people in this whole thing were not and now I had and I never ever like drive drunk even after a couple of july I always Uber like I don't understand all these

rich people and celebrities that don't Uber and I have a dream where I'm like drinking and drunk and I'm like just getting in behind the wheels. And I'm like, Brian, this is stupid. Don't do it. And I'm like, oh, it'll be fine. I'll just drive slow. And then, of course, the lights come on. And I'm like, I'm literally going to jail.

And then I wake up like in a cold sweat. So that's my anxiety dream. Yeah, no good. No, Bueno. Josh, what's your anxiety dream? Ooh, that's good. Usually I'm falling. I'm just falling.

I'm in a free fall. And I literally wake up and I like go, boosh. Yeah. Like, refall into the bed. But I don't know. I'm dosing myself on quite a bit of CBD at night to avoid all thoughts. Should we get to a speak pipe really quick? Yes, please.

And speak pipe to Ryan are where our audience calls in, has some questions. I think Josh pulled some wonderful airline-related questions. Let's do it. I tried to get close. Here's one from Lauren. Josh, huge moron here. My name's Lauren. I'm just driving along and listening to some old episodes of you guys because I am a newer listener about a year.

so I just binge on your other episodes when it's not Monday or Thursday. But I have a question, since you guys are frequent flyers, I know you both fly quite a bit. So here's my question. Zones, right? Zone 1, 2, 3, 4, so on. Why does it make sense? Actually, it's a what are you nuts? Why did we load the plane from the front of the plane to the back of the plane?

So for those of us in zone 9, we hit. everybody's arm and everyone stares at us as we're walking to the back of the airplane. First class, sure, whatever. Get on first. But why do they load from the front to the back? Is there a reason? Excellent

question. Next time you call in brevity. Brevity. Brevity. Brevity. Brevity. The very short question is, why do we board front to back instead of back to front? I think it's an excellent question. Well, I don't think most

planes board front to back. Like once, so they board the front, the first class, the elite passengers, which kind of are the front. And then it does do back to middle sort of. Why don't they just board back to front? Some airlines have tried this over the years, you know. Like just give first class a different time. Like come at, we're supposed to board at 410?

I know. I wish first class boarded last. Last. I enjoy as little time on the plane as possible. It's just, it's business. So the airlines are making money on charging, you know, the credit card companies for that benefit for their customers are making so they pay the airlines a lot of money so it's all based on economics not but they do balance that with like they they want the planes to board quickly because

in a lot of airports i got to get that plane out and even a minute saved boarding can save the airline millions of dollars but my simple answer is nothing with the airlines makes sense so that's why yeah yeah i would be in favor of back to front boarding just saying if it's a 410 departure you tell people first class your boarding time is 405 yeah it's not 3 30 30 yeah it's not 3 30 Everybody else comes early because he paid less money, you have less time. First class, you just go. It could make it closer to a private experience. Yeah.

Really much faster. I'm just saying somebody should listen to us. Word up. Next one's from Kate. Live in Germany. I think like there's regular trash. Then there's food waste. Then there's plastic.

Then there's paper. So they asked when we came to the Airbnb that we separate our trash. So we did the best we could. It gets a little dicey with like diapers and things. We put that in its own bag. We did our best for plastic and paper, and sometimes it's a little confusing. It's like, well, there's food on the plastic, so does that go in the food bin or the plastic bin? So at the end of this day, I left my review for the host, and they left their review for me,

and their review said something along the lines of great guests, very polite, however, they left our house a mess. They didn't separate the trash properly, and the towels and sheets were very dirty. And so my question is, we paid a 90-year-old. cleaning fee for Airbnb. And in addition to that, we cleaned up the apartment. But in addition to that, you use towels and sheets while you're staying there. You have a cleaning fee. I have a toddler.

I guess this is a one of you nuts. That makes me very frustrated. These cleaning fees for Airbnb kills me. Same. And I am an authority on this topic because I now rent I Airbnb my river property. So I know it from a host and a guest perspective. And let me just tell you, like, you should not have to be cleaning, like, sheets changing. That's the point of a cleaning fee.

And the point of hospitality is you get to, you know, enjoy someone's place, leave it in good shape, don't break stuff. But like, you leave it in order, but the sheets and towels. So I'm totally, those people seem super uptight. And I think you should, you know, this is where Airbnb, another tip for people, when you book Airbnb pay. for travel insurance. I know so many people, especially festivals who have Airbnb's canceled last minute and then every other options, like five times the price. So travel insurance is like six, it can be six to 10 percent of the total cost of your trip. Airbnb, we all know you save so much money over a hotel. Take the mindset of let me just buy travel insurance because if something

goes wrong with that Airbnb, Airbnb is not putting you up in the next best place. Yeah. At best you're getting a refund and your upshitz Creek because there's nothing available. travel insurance will cover far more and always put it on a credit card that has protections because everything I hear the Airbnb customer service is terrible and so many people have been left in bad situations. So just take it as like you're saving so much money with Airbnb. Let me get travel insurance on it in case they cancel and you know you need to get a more expensive option.

Excellent tip. Those hosts, disgusting. Yeah, disgusting. They should be kicked off the app. They're not. You're expecting people to do their laundry with your towels and cheats. And then charging them a laundry at cleaning fee. But even without the fee.

Yeah. Like, that's like you, you're staying at my house. I'm staying at your house. I've never once cleaned the sheets after I stayed. Like, even as a guest, like, it's the same thing, right? Like, when you have a guest in your house, do you ask him to do the laundry? Well, I would say if you were at Brian's house and he wasn't there, like you were, if you use someone's place while they're out of town or whatever, and they're like, oh, I have a summer home, enjoy it. You would do the sheets.

No, I wouldn't do the sheets. Oh, you're not. I'd make, I'd make the bed. You made Claudia. I thought you were to say I'd be Claudia, but I would. No, I think I'd like someone's house that they're giving you for free for a week and you wouldn't watch the sheets. I guess I've never had this.

I think Ben's going to get some heat for this. I guess I never had this situation because I've never done, like I've never had this before. But like, thinking through it. I mean, at my house, you know I have cleaners that come in anyway and I just tell you not to. But I think you might get some heat from people being like, no, you always at least like offer to change it or whatever. Even though I'm like, don't do it because my cleaners will do it the right way. Sure, I'll offer to do it. Sure.

Okay. I don't want heat. I want no heat. I've never done this before. From my perspective, you make amazing chili and food. So that's like an even exchange. Yeah, I come in. I cook.

You cook really freaking good food. Yeah, I don't clean. Brian has cleaners. So Josh, are you calling out? Is Ben no longer ever invited to stay at your house? No, he's always, he had an open invite. I hope you like waking up at 5.30, babe, because my kids are loud. Don't worry.

I have a noise machine. Should we get to, what are you nuts? Yes, we should. Brian, I briefed you on this. People, places and things, gripes with humanity, you walk down, you're like, oh, that woman's a fucking moron. That's a what he admits. I can go first. Driving yesterday for Father's Day.

We also didn't recap Father's Day just saying, happy Father's Day to you. Happy Father's Day to you. Both wonderful fathers. And that's that on Father's Day. Driving on Father's Day. And I see a sticker. It's a sticker that you've seen before if you drive on the highway. Baby on board, right?

That's sticker. It says there's a baby on board. And all I have to say is, what are you nuts? Because I'm not changing the way I drive based on whatever sticker you decide to put on your car. If you write Active Marine, right, that's another sticker. If you write, like I have a gun, like bearing arms or whatever, baby on board. I'm driving the exact same way no matter if you have an infant in your car or if you don't have an infant in your car. If you're driving slow, I'm tailgating you and then I'm going around you.

Don't drive slow. Get in the right lane. I'm driving identically whether you have the sticker or not. So if you want to advertise to me that you have a baby in your car, good. Good for you. Good for you for traveling with your baby. I'm not changing the way I'm driving. I think the sticker is nuts.

I also think as a broader concept, sticcoring your car. Yeah. What are you six? Yeah. Would you pick up a notepad and decide to or a laptop and put these stickers? These are mentally unwell people that are sticking their cars. In fact, when I buy a car, I have them take off all the decals of the dealership and stuff. I hate that.

I like a virgin car. Do you think that there's any? with an S-class Mercedes and stickers on the back. It's always like a civic. Yeah. Or no, yeah, like a Subaru, like love, peace, you know. Yeah, like Taylor Stryker's car. Leave Taylor alone.

So that sign, Ben, is for, if God forbid, the car gets in a car accident, that people know there's a kid on board who are coming in to, like, help them so that they don't leave a child in the car seat. God damn it. Are you sure? Yes. So it's not just a PSA. Like, hey, there's a kid on board.

Ben is your original intention. Can you guys just agree with me? Like, I don't know. Like, none of these people would know anything. Like, you're educating them. Like, you could have just said, yeah, Ben, I don't clean fucking sheets. Like, get off my ass. Sorry, Ben.

What about you? No, no. I agree. Okay, my what are you nuts is I was walking with my son the other day in this gaggle of teen boys with low voices walk by us and they see my son and my son's just being cute and sweet and he's like hello and he's like five years old and one of the kids turns to him and he's very nice but he goes oh hey how are you and i was like first of all why do you have that low-ass voice 17-year-old but then i thought what are you nuts don't greet my son like that give him a buddy give him a pal hey bud

how are you what's up dude don't give him a oh hi how are you you're very odd What are you nuts? That's nuts. I also love, there are some people that change their tone of voice depending on what they're doing. Do you know these people? You'll have a conversation with them, and then all of a sudden you'll see them pick up their phone voices.

Phone voices. They're like, hello? I'm like, weren't we just talking and you had a completely different voice? And now you're. Well, I have to lower my voice on the phone so that when I'm ordering takeout, they don't say ma'am. I've had that before. I've had that before.

I've had ma'am. I know, because we're low-tie beta cucks. It's not a low-t beta cuck. Brian Kelly. Brian, what do you got? Oh, my God. Wait, we never even asked Brian. You want to talk about Brian is a health guru.

All of your questions about Josh is obsessed with testosterone and these indians. He's continued to your Woody and nuts. We probably ran out of time. Well, I recently have a friend who is an open water swimmer, and he was telling me how five different times he's gotten pulled out by the tides. Like he just people who in my, and look, I love sharks and scuba diving, but getting into murky water, like people who swim in murky water. including on the, I was walking on the Hudson River on Father's Day with my son,

and they have steps into the Hudson, like to invite you into swim. And I saw people in the Brown Hudson. Like, what are you nuts? Nuts. Like, but some people have this predisposition. Just get in, so many people like, oh, I just need to get in anybody of water and swim. But that's insane, right? Insane.

Swimming in the Hudson? Even like in the Hamptons in Long Island, like there's so many sharks there. I just don't like being in water where you don't know what the hell is in there. Oh, yeah. That's how I feel about the Delaware River. Yeah. that you love. The ultimate body of murky water.

It's been really clean and clear lately. What the hell is in that? That river will eat you up and spit you out. As I think back to all my friends, I love it, but every one of my friends has had a major meltdown on that river. It's terrifying. But it's like life. If you can beat the river, you can win at life.

You can beat the river. You can win it life. Josh, we got anything else? I think that's great. You know it's a good Woody Units when you could have ended it with open water swimming. Yeah. From the first line, it could have been like, you're good. Josh, you're in L.A., like, will you just ever hop into the Pacific and go swimming?

Yes. You will. By yourself? Like in the morning, people would do that at like sunrise. Like, you know that's when the sharks are out. No, this is L.A. And I know sharks are not like attacking humans. You want to see the shark attack coming, Brian, is what you're saying.

You want to see them coming to bite off on your limbs. At scuba diving, because sharks know this bubbling freak creature is not food. But humans swimming at the surface looks like a seal, you know, like. Sharks are very smart about, you know, knowing what is food. I do, or I used to surf, and I'm trying to do it more. And I always thought it was weird that wetsuits are black. Because I'm like, what could make us look more like a seal? Like, why aren't these neon green?

I guess sharks can't see color anyway. I don't think. I think they just like. Me either. Yeah. Have you ever seen a shark fin while you were surfing? No, I saw a dolphin and thought it was a shark and got out of the water quickly. And shat your wet suit.

It was terrifying. It was terrifying. But I also then got held down in a three-wave set and thought it was all over for me and I haven't surfed in eight years. Yeah. Can you think of anything nastier than shitting yourself in a wetsuit? I don't know. We can keep you warm.

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