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Episode Date: May 26, 2025

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We've got expert legal advice here at the Good Guys podcast. Mazo Morons. We're here with Limor. I don't know how to pronounce your last name, but she is a lovely person. And boy, is she a lawyer. We're going to get into all the cases. Let's do this. Thank you for being here.

Thank you so much for having me. My name is Limor Mojdehi Azad. Beautiful. Now Wald. And I will not be giving legal advice, Josh. Yes, that's right. What will you be giving? I will just be giving legal commentary.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, there's no legal advice here. What do you think? You think she's going to entrap herself? You think she's going to get herself into something? I'm a moron, but I'm not a moron.

No, no. No, you're a smart woman. You're going to give just some legal commentary, no legal advice. I'll throw away my slip and fall questions. We'll toss those to the side. And yes, just commentary. We started off camera. all the morons want to hear about is Karen Reed. I said, who is this Karen Reed? You then said,

Ben, didn't, what are you nuts? Didn't you watch a Karen Reid documentary with your wife? It's entirely possible that you watched it without me. Talk to me about Karen Reed and tell me what she's about. Oh, man. So Karen Reed is actually going through her second trial right now for the same thing, the same allegations. It's really, I saw a New York Times article called it, you know, the New trial, same old arguments. So she has been, it's alleged that she killed her boyfriend. How did she kill her boyfriend? A Boston cop.

Okay. O'Keefe. O'Keefe, that's right. That's his name. I did not watch this. My wife watched it without me. She exclusively watches good TV without me. And then I get stuck watching just utter garbage with the exception of Riba and the

Subranos. And he loves glee. Karen Reed, let's get into it. Give us the playbook. I play. Yeah. So Karen Reed right now is in the midst of a second trial, okay, for the same allegation. She's been accused of murdering her boyfriend, her boyfriend of several years, two years

they were dating. She's a 44-year-old woman who's facing life in prison at this point, okay? So this is what happened. Allegedly, what we do know, the guy is dead. O'Keefe was killed. We don't know how. But on hers, what she's accused of, let me start there. What she's accused of is they had some sort of spat one night.

They went to a bar. They both got drunk. She admits she was drunk, possibly drunk driving. She admits to all of that. They went to 34 Fairview. Okay. He wanted to go hang out with his friends. Such a nice address.

Such a nice dress. You know what? And such a nice house. Yeah, you never hear of 34 a Fairview, Baltimore. There we go. There we go. There we go. So snowy, snowy night, huge snowstorm. They go to 34 Fairview. She's like, dude, like the lights are off. What's going on? There's no party. Why are we here? Like, I don't want to

be here. Let's go somewhere else. He's like, no, my friends are inside. She's like, go inside. Make sure people are there. Like, it doesn't feel like we're welcome here. This is weird. He goes inside. She says that's the last time she ever saw him. She gets pissed that she's been waiting outside for five minutes. She drives off. Again, snowstorm. She's pauses. drunk driving away. Now, the next morning news breaks that he was murdered. His friends, now, we're dealing with a Boston cop. So all his friends are law enforcement.

Okay. Terry, Mickey, Robbie. Oof, Boston, Boston. Like, this is not good, okay? He's a state trooper over on, you know, on the Sagamore Highway. I don't even know where that is. You know, we'll meet a Duncan, we'll get a coffee, and we'll go, you know. Josh, someone is dead.

I'm so sorry. Okay. So listen, on their side, what they say is she backed into him and left him for dead. We didn't even know he was outside. Okay?

She alleges, you guys fucking killed him, put him outside, and now you're all framing me. And why, what would be the motive? Again, Boston cop, law enforcement,

and also his grandfather was a cop. We have all of that at play. And you also have someone who was inside the house, who at around 2.27 a.m., hours before he was found, did a Google search that says, how long to die in the cold or in the snow? Yeah. How long does it take? So if 2.27 a.m. is hours before he dies, why are you searching that?

You don't even know if he's dead. So the argument on her side, her defense is you guys planned this. He was murdered inside the house. the injuries are not consistent with vehicular manslaughter, right? She didn't do it with her vehicle. And it's, you know, to her credit, the images of the injuries that you do see, they look like scratches. They look like, there's really no bruise. I would imagine if you're hit with a car, there would be some sort of bruise, right?

But she does have a taillight in the back of the car that's crushed, right? They say they found a piece of his hair close to the tail. light, which also, yes, on the bumper. So, which also doesn't make sense in a way because this huge snowstorm, but one piece of hair was still stuck on the car when they traveled from that house to wherever they, they took it to do the investigation. What? It doesn't make sense.

But the first trial that, I believe it ended about a year ago at this point, hung jury. No one could convince all 12 jurors of the same thing. So we had a mistrial. Now, they were very quick to let everyone know, oh, we're going to try her again. Sometimes you get lucky. And the prosecution, they figure out that, listen, we're never going to win this. This, you know, let's just, we're done. We're not going to try it again.

But they've decided to try her again. Now, the difference between the two cases now is that in between all of this, Karen Reid did that documentary that Ben didn't watch or maybe watch and didn't pay attention to. Didn't see. Didn't see it. Didn't see it. I watched juror number two with her. Okay. Which sounds kind of similar to this story.

I'm not going to lie. No, I did not see Karen Reid. That said, you gave such a wonderful synopsis. If we can get that synopsis for the rest of these, I feel like I watched it. I don't need to watch it. Okay? I don't need to watch it. That said, she's innocent.

She's innocent. So here's what's very, very interesting. So between these two trials, she recorded this. documentary. You don't have defendants usually take the stand. And she's not going to take the stand. But what do you have? This documentary full of what you could call her testimony. And she even says at the beginning of the documentary, this is my testimony. Is it admissible? It's admissible. Okay. It's admissible. You got, yo, stop doing these documentaries. They got Robert Dirst like this. Oh, that's right. You're getting her. Yo, you're screwing yourselves.

You really are, but fame is a drug. Let's take a step back then. So quickly, because the cops thing, all right, why, what are the cops, what they accidentally killed their friend or they killed the friend? What do they have against the girl? Do we know, is there some beef going on between like the cop friends and the girl that, like, happened before this night? Great question.

As far as I know from watching the documentary, they all loved Karen. All of them loved her. She seems like a fun time. She seems like a bit of a smoke show. Listen, you know what my husband, Richard said? He said she looks like Diane Lane. And he's right. She does look like Diane Lane.

She's, she's gorgeous. Okay, fine, whatever. So I think that also plays into it. This is very much a trial by media to an extent. I don't know how clean this jury is after such a spectacle of the first trial. But I do know that, and I'm biased when I say this, it's very obvious. Cops are cops. They have egos.

They're not going to let one of their brides. brothers just, you know, he's dead. They were there. You're going to look at us. We didn't do it. We protect people and we protect our own. So part of the argument is maybe what they're saying is she left him in the snow, right? She hit him, left him in the snow. That's how he died. She's saying they must have gotten to either an argument inside and then put him out there or they got an argument inside and then he stayed outside. Right. And he just froze in the snow or whatever happened. That's the they're not pointing to anyone else. That's the issue. There's no one else they're pointing to. Karen Reed for the defense is obviously pointing to the cops, which is a big, you know, that's a big

obstacle. I would imagine in a place like Boston, but she has all these fans outside of the courtroom every single day, even for the second trial to listen to the same shit. And why would the, but why would these cops lie? Like maybe this is just like a window into the way that I feel that cops in general. Like, I think there are some bad apples, but I think cops are very truthful. I think the reason that they sign up to be cops is to protect the integrity of the law. It's very confusing to me. Is it possible that he slipped fell? But Ben, can I just-

Which was in the snow? On that for one second, going with your line of thinking, though, no one was on duty, right? Everyone's drunk partying, right? So yes, hopefully that morality is embedded in them, but they technically weren't in uniform. They weren't on the job. This was what could have been drunk, dumb people in that moment. Right, right. And let me correct you here.

But you love her and then you're framing her. Very strange. Well, they love her as the girlfriend of the friend that they probably love more. They want justice for his family. I mean, listen, if you watch the trial, you see his family in the courtroom every day, which really pisses me off that they're doing a retrial because this family has to sit there and listen to all of this. And what's even more tragic is,

is that O'Keefe was the, so backtrack, his sister passed away from some ailment. I don't remember and I don't want to get it wrong. She had two children. Her husband died two months after she passed away. O'Keefe took on the role of the parent for these two kids and now he's gone. So if there's ever a scenario where people want justice, it's something like this. This is what it looks like. And I have to disagree with you, Ben, that I don't agree that cops are the ones who protect the integrity of the law.

They rarely know the law. I'm sorry. They really just know what they need to do. They don't know the elements of certain things. They just don't know. I have so many clients who call the cops when there are domestic violence incidents in their homes. And the cops say, you need to get a restraining order. we can't do anything.

They just don't do anything. It's just, are they in the mood to arrest someone? They kind of think that domestic violence incidents are just very petty. They're just, you know, low bar for them or low brow, whatever, whatever it is. And they, I don't think that they are the ones who are protecting the law. Is it the prosecutors? Are they the true justice warriors, the DAs, the people who, you know, pursue the charges? I think so.

And I think that the defense attorneys also are because, right, we're on, we're on different sides. And we interpret, that's the funny thing about the law. The law can be interpreted in a number of ways, right? So you have the prosecution saying this was second degree murder. This was vehicular manslaughter. She also left the scene of the crime while intoxicated. And then you have the defense saying, listen, if the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt, there are holes in what you're saying. You can't put someone in prison for life if there is even

one hole in your argument. The biggest hole that the defense is playing is someone else could have done this. Did she have any priors? I don't think so. Was she clean? She was clean? Yeah, here's another problem. Here's another problem. At the beginning of the documentary, remember, it's for entertainment purposes, right? The beginning. I swear to you, it's in the first 10 minutes. Ask Claudia and then have her FaceTime me because I'm obsessed with her. Within the first 10 minutes of this documentary,

she's saying, oh my God, when I heard that he was dead, I thought, oh, my God, I was kind of drunk. Did I reverse and hit him? Was there some sort of sound that I didn't hear and I left him there and his head hit the curb

and the this and the that and the that? She started to question her own memory of what happened also and felt a lot of. Did you see juror? Did you guys see juror number two? I actually didn't. This is the exact plot.

Are you confusing it? You actually watched the character. No, no, no. No, this is juror number two. The plot of this fucking, it's the same thing. There's a guy. He's out at a bar. He goes, it's a rainy night.

It's not snowy. They're over, like, he thinks that he sees a deer. He actually hits a woman. She falls over the banister. What does that say about the woman? Yikes. She got into a fight. She's walking alone, Josh.

You're a good guy. Not a great guy. She's walking alone and he doesn't realize that he killed her. He actually thinks he hit a deer. And then through all of this, he finds out that he hit this woman. This is the same thing. Olivia, did you see juror number two? I did not see.

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On my show, you can expect to feel like you're sitting in my living room chatting with old friends. Tune in every Wednesday to connect and hang on the balanced bond, soul on fire. What do you think, is there a slight reflection to? Is she able to have now been fighting this the second time because she has the means to, I mean, she's paying for this gigantic, badass defense counsel, right? Like, if she had a public defender, there's a good chance that she wouldn't be here right now, right? That's a really, really good point. And not to name drop, but I've worked with Alan Jackson before.

He is the lead defense attorney. He is so kick ass. Everyone wishes they could afford him. I think that at this point, he might not even be getting. paid to be honest with you. Yeah. I mean, this is, yeah, that pro bono life. Listen, I think he's doing it because he really believes in this case and the injustice that's occurring. And listen, not for nothing. It's pretty good publicity. It's great publicity. As far as I knew Alan Jackson, he was just a hot shot in LA that we would call. Right. If you have a restraining order, you need to defend all of that or

prosecute. Is it like a Garigos or Robert Shapiro type? Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. And these, you know, if your client's rich, you call Alan Jackson to figure it out. Yeah. Did they become badasses because of just their ability or is it their relationship with the people? Like if you are a badass LA attorney with the district attorneys with the judges that they just have a shorthand? It's a very good question. It's absolutely the people you know. 100% the people you know.

And I'm not saying that they can do something underhanded or see. secretly or anything like that. But if you don't have access to an Alan Jackson, even if you have the money, you have the funds, you have the access in that way, but you don't know that he exists. You're just going to get whoever, you know, you call the state bar and they give you a criminal defense attorney. I think he was more asking, unless Josh, I misunderstood you. Is it, is it more about who Alan Jackson knows that he becomes the guy?

Or is it based on who he's worked with in the past? Right, Josh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Alan, even knowing, so she initially had hired attorney Janetti or Janelli. I forget. And he had her call, I believe, again, I forget, a Harvard, some professor at Harvard who knew

Alan Jackson and was like, you need to call Alan Jackson. Why Alan knows this professor? I don't know. It was the Kevin Spacey connection because he, Alan Jackson also represented Kevin Spacey. Right? And got him off. Not got him off, but got him off. Sure. And so, you know, everyone knows him and he knows everyone. So you kind of, Yannetti brings him on to the case because we have Alan Jackson power. Let's do it. Yeah. And less than anyone think I don't want to sound that I'm being critical of public defenders because

many of them are doing God's work. Oh, absolutely they are. They just have a limited bandwidth because they're, you know, their government employees. Yes. Yes. Again, if you watch the documentary, you would see the war room. Okay? This is where if you have a months long or weeks long trial at a courthouse, you have your room where that's your office, that's your conference room. That's everything, right?

Alan Jackson lives in L.A., but he's in Massachusetts doing this trial. You need that. What Alan Jackson and his team can do is not what the public defenders can do. Okay? They're sitting there till 3 a.m., timing the closing argument to make sure it's under one hour so they get every single word in.

The prosecution, and he didn't, Alan Jackson did an excellent job the first time around with that closing argument. What happened with the prosecution? Other, you know, the state, they went over the time. The judge cut the prosecutor off and said, you're done.

No more closing argument. And he said, I have one last sentence and he gave his last sentence. But there was no mic drop. You need a mic drop. Karen, read trial, all eyes on you. You need a. mic drop. So for this second, for the retrial, that attorney, I believe, is now second chair. And there's a new

prosecutor who's doing all the work. He's like, I won't that sentence. I. So was the mic drop of like the OJ trial? If the glove don't fit, you must acquit. Right. Because I know it. That's exactly. Damn. That is. That is. So good. That one hold. You just need one hole. Because beyond a reasonable doubt means this is sealed with a. this person did it. We know they did it. We have no questions about it. Beyond a reasonable doubt

means you cannot point to anyone else. And I think, even though, I'll say this, there are also voicemails from Karen to O'Keefe that same night after she allegedly leaves the 34th Fairview, where she says, I fucking hate you, you've ruined my life, you're the worst person ever, whatever. Now, you can think she killed him. him and then did this.

Or you can think, she thinks he's still in the house ignoring her. And she's like, fuck you. I left. Fuck you. I hate you. Based on juror number two. Let's bring it back to juror. I am 100% sure that she accidentally hit him with her car backing up.

Left has no idea that she hit him. He went unconscious into the snow, froze to death. And this is just, this is an accident. This is an accident. What about the Google search? Why is anyone searching how long to die in the cold? And Ben, because guys are dumb and weird. It was a woman.

McCain. Right? Yeah. But Ben, but remember, it's a house full of cops and it's not the city, right? It's a beautiful, quiet suburban street. You hear a bang at midnight. I don't think it's a bang. I don't think it's a bang.

You said that it's in the snow. But it hit his body, right? Like, you don't come outside. Like, and your boy was texting. Like, I'm on my way. You saw lights in the drive. You heard that car. You're not like, what happened?

You don't check? That's an interesting thought as well. I am thinking, though, like in basketball, you have a non-contact injury. All of a sudden, the guy tore his Achilles. And it didn't look like he even got touched. Maybe he just got hit in the wrong spot. All of a sudden, he's on the ground.

He's buried under the snow. They can't find him. They can't find him. It's why. So I'd love to know. This is very troubling. This is very troubling. If it's troubling, then you cannot say she's guilty.

Of course. If you have any speed of doubt, you can't be 100% sure. Let me clarify. And when I said that she hit him and left him for not, I was not saying that she was guilty. This was a complete accident. This was a complete accident. This is a mistrial.

Rip it up. If this is a mistrial again, can it be, what's the word? Like they did it with after the rush shooting with Baldwin, with Alec Baldwin, right? The judge said, this cannot be retried again. Right. Can they do that with it in this case? Yes, they can do that. It depends on what is the reason for the mistrial.

So we had a mistrial initially in the first case because of the hung jury. So Alec Baldwin, it was really the prosecution playing dirty, not handing over evidence. It's not giving them discovery. It's like, what are you guys doing? Right. They really have to change that name, hung jury. It's just strange. I'm now over here thinking that the jury's got huge gawks.

Oh, my God. This is a mother. Oh, my goodness. That jury is hung. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. Juror number two, the hung jury. It's a porno.

It's a porno. Okay. Yes. And you didn't watch it. You let your wife watch it by herself. The hung jury. The hung jury. It's funny.

Oh, my God. What goes into in preparing someone like, like Karen Reed, like her outfits are giving. Olivia, am I right? Yeah. How much thought gets put into how she's going to look? What's she going to present when she's on trial? A lot. Really?

A lot. You always want your clients to just look, polished. That doesn't mean if we're going to court for a simple hearing that you're wearing a full-on four-piece suit, but business casual, right? And Karen Reed, I mean, we're at the point where we have seen these legal circuses play out. People are picking at everything, right? So she was even arrested the second time and she's like, can I go change? I'm literally not wearing underwear under these pants. I'm wearing little slippers. And the cops, when they walk away from her, they're like, she cares about what she looks like.

And she's like, I'm going to be on Channel 4 News looking like this because she knows. And listen, it's true. Women, okay, get the wrath of this. So for her, again, what she says on the documentary, she's like, I got all these suits. There's only really four nice suits for women. Now I have all these dresses. And this is what I'm going to wear. And not for nothing.

You know, it's also the mentality of, I don't know if you guys grew up like this, but we're going to the doctor dress up a little bit. It's a doctor. it's a professional, right? You're going into a courtroom. People are watching you, how you blink, how you flinch, if you flinch, right? So there's a lot of thought that goes into what she's wearing, what her attorneys are wearing, okay? And I think one of the reasons they switch the prosecutor is because this new one is a lot more polished than the other one, unfortunately.

And it's just, you know, when you see certain people, you're judging them. And when you have a months long or weeks long trial, the jurors are getting bored. They're going to look at her the whole time and just, you know, sometimes you look at someone and you're like, they could have done this. I know they did this. You're not even listening to the evidence. You're just looking at them, judging them. Maybe your dad had an ex-girlfriend who looked just like her and she was this big bitch.

And you're like, I know the type. I know the type. Right. So you even tell, you know, sometimes you tell your clients what expressions to make or not make. And is the jury isolated? No. No. They're going home at the end of the day. Yes, they're going home. Okay. So because that's, that can add an extra layer where you're like, I want to go back to work in my life and I've been here and I'm over it. Like whatever. Let's just get to the, which shouldn't be, but people can get that way.

100%. We saw it in the Amber Heard versus Johnny Depp trial. I believe at a certain point we were getting close to Memorial weekend and the judge was like, let's look at our calendars. No one wants to be here on this day or that day. I have a conference the other day. Shout out. What a judge. He's like, I'm going to ultra. She, she. Jealous. She. Are we really supposed to believe that none of these jurors have heard of this or seen the documentary, though?

Isn't that supposed to be a precursor that they go into this completely blind? Yes. And guess what? That circus they see outside, right? We love Karen, freak Karen. That leaves an impression, too. So you're also researching. This is, this is baloney.

Like this doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. That's why I had asked in the beginning. Is the documentary admissible? Because it's a Netflix documentary. And you just happen to be scrolling. It's not like they're not allowed to watch TV. They're on Netflix or whatever streamer was on. It's promoted.

It pops to the top. They see it. They click on it. Right? Yeah. Like, I don't understand how you try this again if everybody already has seen the documentary. Yeah. Except for me who saw the adjacent documentary juror number two.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It is amazing. Like, I remember my boy Jaime, shout out Jaime in heaven. Okay. Shout out. But I remember Jaime got picked up for, I don't know what it was, drug, something, something minor,

but like he was in the San Fernando jail, which is like the sticks of the San Fernando Valley. You don't want to get put in jail there. And he was sitting. Like, they were like, you're going to sit now. And our boy, Eric, shout out my boy Eric, who's a criminal defense attorney. We're like, Eric, we know you get paid the big box. Jaime needs you. This is going to be BB, baby.

This is your good deed. And I'll never forget, like, it went from Jaime, like, sitting in a cell to Eric walking into the courtroom, looking at the DA, going, can I talk to you? And Jaime was out within like, I mean, like, couldn't have been a quicker deal. And maybe that would have happened for him, but it wouldn't have been that day. Yeah. Like, it would have been days, weeks, perhaps. It was all the difference.

Yeah. That's an example of. what you guys were speaking about before, just knowing the right people. So if you're in the prisons and the law enforcement offices in and out, the courthouse, in and out, you know the players, right? So in every field of the law, if you know the players, it's going to make a difference. Even if you know just a clerk, you see them all the time. You're checking in all the time.

If you tell that clerk, listen, I'm going to be an hour late. They'll just make a note of it. If they don't know you, they're going to be like, no, it starts it. 8.30. You have to be here at 8.30. Get away from me. I have other people in line. Right. So it does, it does make a difference. And to your point, too, about what you dress like, I remember I went to traffic court once. Okay. Okay. Represented myself. A pro per. And I wore just a button up shirt to show respect to the court. There we go. Nothing crazy. But this is traffic court dog. So people are there like in Tims and like hoodies and whatnot.

never forget this, that I'm there. And a guy is fighting a red light camera ticket. And he goes, judge, I swear to God, that wasn't me. And the judge looks at the photo, looks at the guy and goes, you're wearing the same sweater. No. I was like, damn. Maybe it was his only good outfit.

In coincidence, you know what I mean? Terrible. Those stupid fucking cameras are terrible. They get me all. All the time. Oh, that sucks. But wearing the button up and saying like, I was like, Your Honor. Exactly right.

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Wait, wait, let's just decide, did she do it? Did she not? Josh, do you think she did it or no? I'm going to say no, because as attorneys like us, no, Esquire, is that it's, isn't the saying it's better that nine guilty men go free than one innocent man goes away? Yeah. So I'm going to say no. I think there's a shadow of it now. I see a shadow.

Same. Same. This is not a beyond the, they're not meeting their burden of proof. I believe that she should be freed. I don't know if she did it or not, but there is not enough evidence to tell me that this woman should go to. prison. Wow. You should be a juror and you should be appointed the four person. That was brilliant. Great. Perfect. I'm in. Perfect. And I haven't seen it. I'm the perfect juror. You're the perfect juror. Ben would be the greatest foreman for a jury because you know first and foremost, he'd be like,

listen, before we go in deliberation, can we have a spread? Okay. What are we talking? You have peanuts here. Can we get some cold cuts? We're near. We're near a jury. That jury. We're be well fed. We're going to have a way in day one and a way out. She's innocent and the jury gained 50 pounds. Let me say this since we're on this topic. And now I can say it, even though I'm going to embarrass my husband.

You mentioned Ben, the Peter Lugar sauce. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah, it's great. Fantastic. So I'm Sephardic. He's Ashkenazi. You guys have a thing with horseradish.

We don't have that thing with horseradish. So once he heard about this sauce, he ordered it, he's like an A1 sauce fanboy, okay? And does he agree this is the number one steak sauce? I even agree. This is the number one steak sauce. I put it on chicken nuggets the other day. This is the number one steak sauce. It's not even a question.

This is the number one steak sauce. I had never even heard of it. It's good stuff. It is so good. It's excellent. Good job. Excellent. Good job on that.

So I'd bring some Lugar sauce into the jury room. Yeah. He's like, I know the state has no money. My father's a caterer. I'll do it pro bono. He's going to make a case of vodka sauce. He's got half a set in my house already. Pro bono catering. That's funny. That's so good. They need catering. Okay. So she didn't do it. Now we can move on to Diddy. Someone who did do it. No. For sure. For sure.

What we're hearing a lot from the reports. is that in the courtroom is that he's all gray. He's wearing kind of like cardigans, like almost aging himself a bit. What do you think about that? I think it's kind of smart. You kind of make him look a little helpless or a little, you know, it's an old dude. He's not doing this to this young little, you know, she's not a minor, but to this little girl. He didn't do any of these things.

He just has some fetishes, whatever. There was also, you know, an issue with Cassie is pregnant. So the defense argued to the judge, we don't want her walking into the courtroom and taking a seat. We want her sitting down when the jury comes out. We don't need them to see her eight months pregnant. And the judge was like, no, she's walking in. She's going to be pregnant. And they're going to see that she's pregnant and testifying.

So that was a big issue for them too. It's interesting that you said that him looking older could play to his advantage. To me, if I look at what Diddy looked like and look at Diddy now, that is a man whose secrets are eating away. his insides. That is a man that is so fucking stressed and so guilty that he is literally going to pass away from the stress. So seeing him like that tells me everything that I need to know. Because if he if he was innocent, which is obviously not, I think he, he's like, oh,

like confident walking in. Like I didn't do this. And he is, he is guilty. It's very, very, very interesting. What about the perspective, uh, He's a rapper. They look a certain way. He has bad boy entertainment.

And he comes in, this crippled old man. It's interesting. It's interesting. The problem is that we know, like, last year when it initially came out and he wasn't in jail yet, but he had been charged and his mansion had been raided. He was like riding bikes in Miami and whatnot. Like, I just, if I'm the juror, I go, yeah, you haven't had this decline in nine months. And regardless, what does that have to do with what you've done over the last?

two decades. That would be a great juror, right? Yeah. But you would also hope they didn't see any of that footage. Right. Because got it. Right. Yeah. So, you know, another thing that bothers me as far as looks and optics is his children, again, they're not minors, but his children are in the courtroom. For what? These are disgusting allegations. The, you know, I've even refrained somewhat from posting on TikTok about this case, even though I told my audience, I will go day to day. Because, the allegations are disgusting and there's evidence to corroborate these allegations. I don't want my children, whether I'm innocent or guilty, whatever it is. I wouldn't want my kids to hear any of this.

None of it. None of it. But he has his kids in the courtroom. And they're dressed in the nines, too, and all of that. For what? It's the same thing that you said about his looks. It's like if he has a united front, so he thinks. And his kids are there and they look good and they're hearing this.

They're there to support dad because he didn't do anything. Like that's obviously what the thought is. Yep. Even though they're probably, they have to be getting paid. Like, there probably was some conversation. Like, if you don't show up for me, I'm not giving you any of my money. Your allowance is cut off. Your inheritance.

Like, he still has an unbelievable amount of money. No matter what happens in this case, he is an unbelievable amount of money. That would go to them, right? So that would be a lot. That would be logical to me. Do we need to explain to the audience what's going on or we're saying that they're aware of Diddy and if they're not, they have their head in the sand? Let's see if I can do it.

You got it. No promise. No problem. I can do it. Sexual assaults, trafficking. No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Don't it. Tutsi. Shut up. So now we have Diddy. He's being accused of sex trafficking, RICO charges, and transportation to engage in prostitution. So sex trafficking is engaging in sex by being coerced. You're being forced to have sex.

Okay. The rocketeering charge, RICO charge, is a racketeer influence and corruption organization. So what the feds are alleging is that he used some sort of enterprise to do all of these things. Think of the mafia or mob, right? It was created for the mob, this kind of charge, right? That's exactly right. So we have one side where it's like, well, this is, it seems like a one man show. You can't have a one man RICO.

I guess you can. It's not ideal if you're the prosecution. It's not ideal. But what they're alleging is bad boy entertainment. Every other company that has to do with Diddy was somehow involved in this. There had to be someone that was organizing, getting these sex slaves, sex workers, you know, however they categorize each individual, someone getting the hotel rooms, knowing what's going on, someone buying the baby oil, okay?

Someone cleaning up the hotel room. Someone paying the charge. It's a whole enterprise and people know what's going on. And it's just, you know, organized crime. Okay. And then the transportation for the prostitution is just bringing in people to have sex with X, Y, and Z. Just across. Yeah.

Over state lines. What is the defense's strategy with this? So you mentioned Mark Garagos. I believe his daughter is on the defense team. What they are saying or what they've said so far in their opening statement and some of their cross-examination is, you guys will hate Diddy. He's not a great guy. He's not even a good guy. He has committed.

Okay. I just smelled your mic. He has committed domestic violence, possibly. He has engaged in freakoffs. They're not illegal. He has kinks. Not illegal. Treats his lovers like shit.

Not illegal. He likes baby oil. Not illegal. Their defense is he may have done some disgusting shit, but it doesn't rise to the level of sex trafficking, RICO and transporting people for prostitution, he's not guilty of these things, even though he's horrible.

If you charged him properly for domestic violence, this that and the other, maybe, but not this. You're not winning on these charges. Are they right? I don't think so. Because it is, like, as you say that, like, wouldn't you just rather, like,

him go away for the things that he for sure did versus this enormous, like maybe he did this huge organized crime situation, but wouldn't you just rather him be like a known scumbag? That's a good point. Here's the problem. Are you able to retry, sorry, are you able to retry him?

Let's say that this doesn't go the way that he wants to. Are you able to retry him for these lesser crimes? So the criminal charges, a lot of them, the statute of limitations, has expired. Okay. And we know that Cassie settled her suit for,

$20 million. Yeah. Right. And she has said on the stand, I would give $20 million back to undo all those freakoffs, right? So we're at a point where this is the evidence they have. This is what they can get him for. It's kind of like O.J. going to prison for stealing back his, what, memorabilia or whatever, whatever happened in that one case, right?

It's like, you didn't get him for the murder. Everyone thinks he's a murderer. Put him to jail for something. Put him to jail for something. So part of the defense's defense is also, yes. You've overcharged him. You've overcharged him. You guys just want to put a bad guy in prison

because he's a bad guy without actually meeting the burden of proof here. Sure. So that, you know, it's a good defense. It's not a great defense. Just the things we are hearing, the testimony we're hearing is just so disgusting and repulsive. And like you said, one percent will get him there. They want, you know, they show text messages from Cassie saying,

when's the next freak off? Oh, I'm ready. Oh, that was so good. that night. Listen, we're talking about over a decade of this type of these types of actions, right? I don't care if you, there's three text messages in 10 years where she said, let's go do it. I don't care. We're talking about marathon sex parties, okay? No one wants to engage in those day after day, day, day after day, getting UTIs, which is what she testified to, being on her period. They are saying, okay, there's testimony that says, we had to put down linens when I was on

my period and we did these freakoffs and they were drenched in blood and bodily fluids. Diddy would get these outrageous hotel bills because every single hotel room we stayed at was trashed at the end of every visit, every stay. And when are the rest of the people that are clearly involved in this going to come, like, when are they going to be held accountable to? Like, I specifically remember, I don't know how much time you spent in Miami, but if you spent any time in Miami between, I'm sure it happened way before I was there, 2010 to 2020, if you went to live or you, like, hung out, you heard about Diddy having parties on Star Island. Like, that was, and that reached, like, a 21-year-old Jew on a Pesach program. Like, every, like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm not, I'm not even exaggerating. Like, you knew Diddy was having a party on Star Island. You could see the party, like, from mainland because his house was so fucking big. And so this idea that like, he's, wow, this idea that he's alone. And like, Josh and I spoke about this on a recent episode, like Will Smith recently posted, like, get my name out of there. I had nothing to do with this. I'm not trying to say that he did.

It's just, if you were friends with Diddy. you probably did. Like I don't like, right? Like this is very Epsteiny. Is it not? It's very Epsteiny. But remember, this isn't, this wasn't the purpose of, of his parties. The parties were just to show, I'm Diddy, I have a lot of money.

Everyone, you know, who was relevant at the time would be at these parties. Are you talking about the white parties or just he just having parties all the time? All the, all the time. All the parties. Yeah. So this could happen in an isolated room where the people who are in the know, know that it's occurring and he's having these parties upstairs or he's having these parties to figure out who's down and then the next day they engage in this.

Sure. You know, especially during that time period, Ben, I think everyone wanted to go to a Diddy party. If I was invited, I would have gone. Yeah. I would have never thought this was Diddy. I would have never thought that, right? I would have taken pictures. They'd be framed.

Totally. No, because you were, you were excited to go and meet Diddy. Yeah. Yeah. No good. No. No good. I didn't love Puffy.

I don't like dating. I'm pretty sure he had something to do with both the two greatest rappers to ever live, not being here anymore. I'm just saying, allegedly, I have no idea. Allegedly, who needs him? I don't need them. Not me. We don't need them. We don't need them.

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Yes. So here's the thing. They have subpoenaed certain records related to Taylor Swift. Okay? They want to see phone records, it seems. They want to see email records. Now, what her team has done is filed a motion to quash, which means get rid of this subpoena.

She has nothing to do with this case. These things don't exist. They're irrelevant. it, get rid of it. Why do we even know that what these texts might show? Because a discovery request, a subpoena for certain

records doesn't tell you exactly what they're looking for. They just say, I want all your text messages, all your emails. Now, why the public even knows what those emails and texts may say is because Baldoni's team filed a letter to the judge saying, we know they filed a motion

to quash. These are very relevant. They are going to show that Taylor Swift and Blake lively were engaging in these conversations where Blake was asking Taylor, delete our text messages, delete them, delete them, right? Get rid of evidence. Now, then we have Blake side who then says, asks the judge to strike that letter from the public record because we would have never seen that letter. Why do we need to know what actually exists? Again, it's a trial by media. even in the litigation. That starts March, 26. This is all pre-lit all of this, right?

What a disaster. What a disaster. And so they asked the judge to strike that letter from the record. The judge agreed, stop making this a spectacle, right? But if these things are true or if they're not, let us see those text messages. Let their side see the text messages. Taylor Swift might be a very relevant player in all of this. She was allegedly at the house when Blake Lively was asking to change that rooftop scene, right? Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift come out and they're like, she's so brilliant. You should do what she's saying.

Blah, blah, blah. She might be a very relevant player. Her records might be very relevant. And, you know, the media is going crazy over it. But I think Baldoni looked a little bit better in people's eyes before this whole Taylor Swift thing, just because he really, this was a big loss for him. Right? The court striking this and saying, listen, do not play with my court record. I don't want letters in here. I don't want you to try to play this through the media. Get rid of it. Stop doing this.

And again, Blake lively, one of her allegations is that Baldoni engaged in a huge smear campaign against her. Right. Right. So, dude, you hired a lawyer who is loving this publicity and he's literally, like, that is someone who would engage in a smear campaign. So if you're hanging out with that guy, What are you guys thinking? Yeah. How do you put a number on these suits? Like how does somebody says he's suing for $400 million? How the fuck do you come up with that?

It's a great question. So actually a part of that is the suit against the New York Times for actually for libel. So they printed information that they found from a civil rights complaint that started this whole thing, Blake Lively. She filed a complaint with the civil rights department about all of, you know, sexual harassment, astroturfing, which is the smear campaign. And he put an amount of $140 million on that suit. Where he came up with that number, I don't know, Justin Baldoni,

and you're telling me you have damages in the amount of $140 million. Because it's what I'm saying. Yeah. What he would have made. Exactly. It's potential. It's what he would have made what he has lost.

Now, remember, you know, WME dropped him. Right. Okay. After this New York Times article came out. So that's a big, big issue. Okay, he 100% lost money. 140 million. But how much money did Blake Lively lose from this smear campaign?

Because I remember, I think we all remember, literally overnight, Blake Lively went from a media darling to you could not find an article pointing out something positive about her. It happened completely overnight. It was clearly a calculated attack, a coordinated attack. Like, it's just so, it's confusing. So he sues for this. She then countersues for that.

Who ends up paying that? He doesn't have $400 million. Is it not worth everybody's time just to settle? You said this doesn't start until March 26. It's now your entire life. Like, how much is your life cost for five years? Like, it's crazy to me. And what about the gossip girl reunion?

Is that not happening? Agreed. Come on, we just said, Chief Scroffert. He wouldn't mind. And what, and what a darling that guy? My God. My God. But wasn't he in a relationship with an octopus on that one show?

Let's keep it too lively. Anyway, he's fine. He's making a lot of money. But yes. So 140 with that New York Times suit, 200 something with the other suit, all of that. So listen, sometimes you're like, that's 40 million I may have lost. Let's make it 140 million. Okay.

And then they figure out the numbers later. You could also change the number, whatever. So you can put on any number you want. It's like these, like, FACTA headlines of these podcast deals. This person got a $500 million deal where it only works if you earn it out and you never hit it and they end up with nothing. Listen. Like it's like a. Those for sure are bullshit.

So these are all just like, unless we get one. Unless you get one. You're $25 million contract that's coming through the pipeline very soon. That's not bullshit. God bless you. What's 25? What are you nuts? We need it.

Josh, we can make up the number. You're right. You're right. And you're having a baby. You're having a bit 250 million dollar contract. I want to be made in uranium. Listen, the numbers are supposed to be backed by proof. I had this project, that project, all my projects are about $20 million averaging right now. Once it ends with us comes out, I'm even more popular. Most likely I'll be making $30 million a film, right? But when you have these cases where there are just multiple cases going on, again, like the Amber Hurd and Johnny Depp trial that we saw, you could be saying 140, you could be saying 160. You both win. It's really 20 million from one side to the other, right? Just canceled each other out.

And Baldoni, it's very interesting. He's being backed by a billionaire. His partner for Wayfarer Studios is a billionaire who is footing the whole bill. It's his, it's his future also on the line. So he's splitting the whole bill. I really would hope that these people would settle. But I think there's so much damage done already. So much hate.

So much hate. And Ben, you really, you know, you would be a dream client, right? You're sensible. You're thinking, you guys, stress for over two years. You want to be this stress for over two years. You both look bad. Right. What are you doing?

How do you even work? Like, you can't work. Right. Well, I mean, Blake lively. I've never seen her out and about more. This woman has been. Well, well, she now has to work to repair her image. Okay.

That's very true. But how does Beldonie work? How do you do? How do you do? How do you do? He was very behind the scenes, like a behind the scenes kind of guy before all of this. So for him, I mean, he still has projects. He has a Scarlett Johansson project coming out.

But he's very much, you know, really in the background. Now he's not trying to show face anywhere. It's a very serious case. Sexual harassment is part of it, right? Smear campaign. That's a very big offense also. And, you know, some argue, was it really a smear campaign when people are just playing videos of you being a bitch?

I personally, I'm not saying that he did it. I don't know who did it. There was 100% a coordinated attack against Blake lively. I agree with you. I don't know who did it. What the reason was? Just because you have these videos doesn't mean they all come out at the exact same time over one weekend.

Like all of a sudden she went from like untouchable to the polar opposite. So that is a smear campaign. But there's a virality component, too, that you guys both know. One person gets a 24 million view video. And then it does go that whole weekend. Everyone's posting about Blake. That's true. Maybe it's the TikTok effect.

Maybe all of a sudden we're seeing, like, for the first time, what happens when you have a really high profile legal case and you have a viral platform like TikTok where people are just manipulating and sharing and view hunting. And that's interesting. I don't know. You guys seem pretty. set in your opinions about this. I don't have an opinion about it as much.

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Come back. You will be back. Fabulous. Anything you want to plug? Anything you want to shout out to the people? Listen. I've been so nervous because I'm such a big fan. Okay.

I even told Josh yesterday, I'm like, three Jews. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. So number one, thank you both for having me so much fun. Yes, I do want to plug my TikTok, my Instagram, my YouTube. I'm at Lawyer Lemore on the platforms that matter. I have a podcast, love and order. It's been featured everywhere.

No, no multi-million dollar contracts yet. But, but one day. You can make it up. There we go. You know what? I rejected a $5 million contract because I'm waiting for the $25 million contract. Yeah, exactly. Lai, lie, lie.

Us too, I think. Thank you so much for having me. This was awesome. Thank you. So as a fan, you know, you know. Yep. I hope you have, if you don't have one, we'll start with us. Okay.

Our Woody Nuts moment of the week are our gripes with people, places, and things, both big and small, everything's sticking in your craw. We'll start. Give you a moment to think about it. I'll start with mine. I don't know if you can see because I have been scrubbing my my fingers. I'm not sure you can see. They're a little red. Yeah.

I'm gross. Why aren't you wearing a Band-Aid? Because it's not blood. It's hot Cheetos powder. What are you nuts? I want to be, listen, shout out the Frito Lay Company, organization. Shout out.

We love. We stand. We stand. They, I don't, I, this is like a scarlet letter. That is so embarrassing. It is. It is. It is.

I want to have enjoyed a delicious hot chito while I'm driving, listening to, I don't know, Barbara Streisand, whatever I do. It's not your business, guys. But I don't want this all out here. Can we have a hot chito dust removing gel, a solve something? What are you nuts? Yeah. Yes. I think it's called washing your hands.

What are you nuts? I did. It's stained. This is a guy who's never had hot chitos with your privilege. Oh, God. I've had hot chitos, please. You remember my story about in camp where we shoved those 13 cheese balls up that kid's ass. Like, I've had Cheetos.

No, no. I know. I'm so sorry for him. Oh, my God. You're upset in Lee Moore. You're upsetly. Lee Moore, he's happy. He's great.

He loved it. Are they still up there? Who knows if they ever really got up there, okay? This is a folklore. Oh, my God. This is disgusting. What's the statute of limitations on cheese up your test? A cheese bowl, a cheese bowl really just a fish.

He can't push a whole cheeseball. They break. I know. They break. Oh, my God. They break. I'm glad my baby's not here. She's in the lobby.

My Woody and Nuts moment of the week is that I have overdosed on yet another supplement. I'm having an issue on my Eastern journey. I was told by somebody that oil of oregano was fantastic for general health. It was really great for when you get a cold. I thought, you know, I get sinus infections all the time. I'll just take it regularly to prevent them from coming. You can't do this, Josh. He can't do it.

I overdosed on oil of oregano. I don't exactly know exactly what happened to me. I wasn't feeling good. I was lethargic. I looked it up. This is a wadia nut. Nobody overdoses on oil of oregano. Like, this is a me problem.

You overdosed on magnesium a month ago. I know, Josh. There is such thing as too much of a good thing. G&C yourself out, would you? What are you doing? There is. There is such thing. It's too much of a good thing.

thing. I need to go to like, I don't know, whatever the anonymous is for homeopathic remedies. This is no good. You need to go to a doctor. No, I don't. You need to go to Equinox. The West. The West is evil. The West is evil. They will answer your questions about supplements. No, they want. I'm just going to, I'm just going to call Gary Breaka. It's all good. Don't get me started at Gary Breka.

Lamar, do you have yours? Yes, yes. So mine is just a general overarching, what are you nuts to any couples, okay, who don't have a pre-up. This is not a plot to come to me. But what are you doing in this day and age where we are all young professionals

getting married in our 30s, unless you're an Orthodox Jew, like Ben and Claudia? What are you doing when you have these amazing companies that you're building and then you get married without a pre-up, grow up, Be an adult. Put your big adult panties on and get your pre-ups. What are you nuts?

Get those big panties it up. Pannies it up. Wow. Pre-n-up. We messed up, Ben. Oh, totally. I'll tell you, well, we'll save it for the next five. All right, take us home, Ben. Well, folks, this was five stars. Otherwise, what are you nuts? Listen to us wherever you get your podcast. Watch us on YouTube. Share our. Clips, Instagram, and TikTok, Mondays and Thursdays. LeMore, thank you so much. We will see you next time.

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