Good Guys - Drake and Josh and Ben (Part 2)

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

In Part 2 of our sit-down with Drake Bell, we pick up right where we left off—unpacking everything that came after the show ended. From personal regrets to private reconciliations, we reflect on the years apart, the moments that shaped us, and how we finally found our way back to friendship. We talk openly about what drove us apart and what’s bringing us back together. Drake shares unbelievable stories—playing a private concert in Switzerland for eight kids, becoming a children’s menu icon in Mexico, and his surreal trip to Brunei with Pamela Anderson. But he also opens up about the real stuff: going to rehab, becoming a father, learning to survive—and then choosing to live fully. We revisit our shared past with fresh perspective and a whole lot more grace. It’s funny, it’s heartbreaking, it’s hopeful—and it’s the closure we didn’t know we needed. We love this episode. We love Drake. And we hope you feel the love too. Stream Non-Stop Flight HERE: https://ffm.to/qbkmzba Leave us a voicemail here! Follow us on Instagram and TikTok!  Sponsors: Do more than ever before with a true AI companion. Get your Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra now at Samsung.com. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Scared with a good guy They're not the great guys Changing so good or good a lives Whoa Nothing makes me happier To be in each other's lives And to look back at the time we spent together And I think

Something that I realized I think was, and you can tell me Whether I'm right or wrong Like when we finished the show I just wanted to put my head down And go to work And say like it was great I'm glad it happened

But like it's not gonna buy me anything in the industry or whatever. Like, I just got to get to work and, like, part of me just wanted to put it away and not talk about it. A lot of us don't, a lot of people don't understand is it was that era of, you know, you're on a kids show. Like, it's going to be pretty tough. Yeah.

Coming out here and getting on ABC or NBC or Fox or going and doing a big motion picture, like, you're on a kid's show. People are used to that era after, that generation after us that was like the Miley. the Selena, where it was like, well, yeah, you're on Disney Channel. And then the next thing is you're a massive touring superstar and selling out arenas. Like that's what you become Selena Gomez. You become Miley Cyrus, you become. But that's the generate.

So we were still in that like, you know, you were on. So I'm sure that when the show's done, there wasn't so much of where the public would think like, hey, I was just on the biggest show. No, there was like a stigma to us. Like we want to kind of like now. When I go to audition for this new ABC pilot, like being on this kid's show, ain't going to be a leg up. Right. Like, Miley had to get on a wrecking ball.

Yeah. Half naked to be like, I'm different now. Like, Hannah's God. Yeah. But I remember thinking, and to end it with the wedding, which I think blew everything up, but also was the first step in us coming back together. You know, I think about my wedding and I go like, and the only person from the show that was there was Dan because my mom was friends with his wife. Yeah. Thanks, Mom. No, but it's not like, it's not an indictment of one particular person. It was that I just, I love you. I love Miranda. There's so many people that I probably would now at 38 wanted there. But at 30, I just wanted to leave it all behind because it felt like it didn't serve me anymore. And the realization I had was when, you know, you wrote that stuff during my wedding about like our friendship and all these things and our love and our history, I think you were living in the world. of where our relationship should have been.

Right. I was too much living in the past of when our relationship wasn't great. Yeah. And it was really somewhere in the middle. Yeah. But I think that was revealed to me and why we had so much of that. Because over those 10 years, we saw each other once, like, once a year. Mm-hmm.

You know, and so when this stuff was coming out, I'm like, what does he mean? Yeah. But now I can see with all this time and everything that's been revealed of like, yeah, like we should have been closer. I think that there was a lot of times when, like, when we were hanging out of out at Michaels a lot and we were just and like there was the I always felt like what like man we like we're all hanging like we're at the same for like we should be closer there's something there's and it's funny that you say like you know I always used to just see you as like I just thought you

were so cool like I thought you were the cool it's like dude I honestly like I would think the same thing like I'm like I'm not cool enough to like hang out with Josh like oh no he's you know I'm not like I'm not like I'm not like he thinks something this and oh he like we were doing the same shit when we really should have just been like bro want to go grab some pizza and like play some video games. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Wow. How about that? Wow. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I will just say quickly because I've been thinking the fact that everything

that was happening with Brian Drake was in between the Amanda show and Drake, which I did not know. Well, the process. The legal and police process. That's what was going on between that time. The fact that you were able to then go on Drake and Josh. and do what you did. Again, you don't need to hear it from me or from anyone, but you're just an unbelievable actor

because that show was so unbelievable. It was so funny. The way that you're describing it is not a unique perspective on it. The two of you had such unbelievable chemistry and being an obese teen, I would look at Josh and I was like, oh, I'm Josh. Like that was like, it was me.

And I would look at Drake and I was like, Drake, you are so, like, so cool. Like, it's like hearing you two talk about it. Like that is the perspective of the viewer. That is exactly what it was. And that's why that show is in the cultural zeitgeist forever. So to hear you guys talk about how you wish to leave it behind is so crazy to me. And I get it. Like I get why you would want to to move on with your careers and do other things. But like for the millions and millions and millions of people both nationally and

internationally that love that show, just know they will always love that show. Well, that's something that, well, there's two things. Like first, seeing the audience grow through the years has been just absolutely incredible. I mean, when we were on the show, it wasn't even like we were on a show. It was like, oh, if we're at Disneyland or somewhere where there's kids, like, we'll get recognized, okay? And then when the show, like, it just, but I don't know, because streaming or because nostalgia or what, but like every year, it just seems to be getting bigger and now, and, you know, and I travel around and I just, it's amazing the impact that the show has had and still has on a young generation and on a younger generation and it's started to become

one of those shows that is it's like like what you were talking about with the theme song it's like yeah yeah i've made an iconic theme song it's iconic to an iconic show that we thank you for you know theme song wouldn't be the theme song if we didn't have the show you know and what's it like in mexico like because you move to mexico right like that seems amazing the love of drake and Josh in Mexico? It's unbelievable, bro. You have no idea. Tell me more, Drake Campania.

It's unbelievable. Because, you know, we were on, like, normal TV. You didn't have to buy cable. You know, I run into people that were like, oh, you were on Nickelodeon. Oh, I didn't have cable growing up, you know. But in Mexico, we were on Channel 5. We were, like, on after friends or sign.

You know, it's like we're on normal TV. So everyone watched us. We weren't a kids show. Yeah. You know, we were, the teenagers watched us. The kids at college watch us. The parents, you know, the families at home watched us. It was like, it seemed more like a friends or a Seinfeld.

So it's, okay, for example, there's a place called Veepes. It's like Denny's, okay, or an IHop. Sounds good. Delicious. Yeah, it's Mexican eye hop, right? Say loud. So it's basically delicious. You know about this one thing?

You know about this movie? You know about this? Weeps. Wow. children's, I have copies, I'll show you. Cool. The menu for the children's menu is us, bro. What?

Like, it's, like, it's residuals. Here go. Where are the residuals? Dude, the pit. Ben, can you do something? Where are the residuals? I don't know what to do. Hearing that you're on Fox 5 of Mexico is making me sick.

But you know we're a Gameboy game? Yes, we're a Gameboy game. Do you know that we're a board game? What? Do you know that? We're Clue. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I've got it. I have a cop. I have it. It's, I have it. Yes. And I sign it all the time at meat and grease, but it's because it's out of the U.S.

So there's no right. They got nothing. They take it all. I mean, the bandit. I mean, if you thought it was bad, you know, the Band-Aid. It's just a. But no, so we had a. We're on the, we're on the menu, you know, back in the day. It's back in the day. We were in, like, when you buy Doritos, you buy whatever, and you open them up, like the little prizes inside is us. Like, it's, it's, it's levels beyond that you could even understand. What kind of contract did you sign? What was in this contract? We need a copy of the contract. Yeah. This is insane.

It's, I mean, it's, it's unreal. Like, you couldn't imagine what it's like stepping foot in, because the show was that. They just love the show. It was awesome. Did you go to the Middle East and for, like, a meet and greet for a super fan? Oh, oh, wait. Okay. So there's two stories.

Well, you might be talking about two stories. Okay. So one, I was walking down Rodeo drive and ran into an old friend and he's like, hey, what are you been doing? And I'm like, hey, what are you been doing? He's like, oh, I'm hanging out with the prince of Brunei. He's like, his dad's like the richest man in the world.

He's the Sultan of Brunei. And I'm like, oh, that sounds fun. He's like, ah, yeah, it's his birthday. You should come with us. I'm like, okay, see you later. Three days later, I get a phone call. He's like, hey, you still down to go to that birthday? I'm like in Brunei for the Prince.

Like this wasn't just like a Larry David stop and chat. Like what? He's like, yeah, you get your passport number and send me it over. I'll get it all handled. I'm like, okay. Set it over. Like three days later, I'm on a first class flight with Pamela Anderson and like all these people. Oh my God.

Going to Brunei and hanging out with the Prince for a week and getting taken around. And that was a crazy trip, man. I'm taking out. where he goes, where would you like to go? The mall or the movie theater? And I'm like, oh, well, I don't know, whatever. What's cooler? He's like, I don't know.

I take you the mall. Whatever you want to do. I'll take you wherever you want to go. I was like, oh, let's go to the mall. Okay, I could have said, I want to go to the grocery store. I could have said, show me your ice cream shop, right? I'm like, yeah, let's go to the mall. It took us like 15 minutes to get to the mall, maybe 15 minutes.

By the time we got to the mall, the entire mall had been evacuated. There were SUVs completely surrounding, like black SUVs, parked bumper to bumper all the way around a red carpet from the entrance of the place rolled out and our SUV pulls up and he like opens a door and it's just like made conversation like I know isn't that crazy like come on okay so here's what and he just like steps out on the red carpet like it's just nothing like I'm like so if I had said the bowling alley all this would have been at the bowling alley someone's like almost about the hole of 300 they're like crazy it's crazy we go we go we go we go we go we go we go

So now we're in the mall. And he's like, if you want anything, just let my assistant know and they'll buy it for you. You know? Like, what's so pretzel? Are we talking in anti-ans moment? No, no, we're talking about like bootleg DVDs, but in the mall. Like as if it's like, it would be a Sam Goody, but it's not. It's like black and white, like printed.

It's semi-goode. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's semi-good, yeah. So anyway, we're walking around and he goes, if you want to buy anything, just let my assistant know and buy it for you. And I don't know if I said it or he said or something. thing he's like, ask him because I hate to carry cash or something like that, you know. And I was like, oh, why do you hate carrying cash? He goes, because I hate seeing my dad's stupid face.

My God. I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, it's like, every time I pull up the money, he's like, hi dad, hi grandpa. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, okay, I'll never understand that, but that's cool. But yeah, he's like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I just, it's just like, oh, okay. So I just, I don't like to Carrie Cash is like, I was like, that's just, that's just a different world. But anyway, so that was a crazy trip. We're sleeping on this, Ben.

Can you imagine Brunei guys? We go to a live. You gotta go. Oh, yeah. It's almost as good as Chi guys. It was a really, really cool trip. Say it again, Ben. I said it's almost as good as Chai guys.

Yeah, that's going to be our Indian pop-up, chai guys. Chai guys? Oh, I like that. That's good. And then the other one was I got, I did a show in Switzerland in Gishtad.

Okay. So I get to Gisdad and if you have you ever been to Gashad? What do you think? Yeah, I saw there there. Is there a courtyard Marriott in Gisd? Because if not, no. Okay. So you've ever been to the Jersey

Shore? I don't know. We've ever been to the airport motel. Why am I in Gashad? Because I got some random phone call because someone liked the show. Fair enough. I'm sure you've got, you know, that's why I get I'm sure you have crazy experiences. Larry King called me once.

That's it. No way. I didn't go. No. Sorry, Larry. Oh, my gosh. So, I love the suspenders. I'm in Gestad, and it's this crazy place where, like, billionaires.

It's like Sun Valley, but for rich people. Sure. And Sun Valley is for very rich people. But for the people who can't afford Gestad go to Sun Valley. But so it's this crazy place. This is a tiny little town. Looks like a snow globe. And I got called.

to get for my band to come and play a birthday party for a 10 year old birthday party and I was like okay well here's what we got they flew my entire band which was my full band so I had the horn section everything so it was like a nine piece band my tour manager I don't know who else was on the crew

and then flew us out to Switzerland we got on we landed went to the hotel it was like a Bond movie this city it was like you open the door to the hotel and people are playing like Baccarach in tuxedos and gowns and like we looked like Casino Royale, you know? And we actually had to go change our clothes. The guy was like, you can't come in the hotel like that. Luckily we had our stage clothes. So we went and changed. But yeah, so it was just and then we get there. We go into play the show and it's in like this like little

ballroom and it's us and maybe seven or eight kids. He was turning 10, so around like between like, you know, seven and 10. And then like his dad, so maybe like 10 adults. Yeah. Wow. And a nice payday. And we had to, oh, dude. He was like some oil baron from Kazakhstan.

That's so cool. That's such a good bad. You're like, as long as they don't get indicted for war crimes, this was worth it. Well, no. I mean, he was just some oil guy. He wasn't like, you know, he was. They're all oil guys. Money is green, Josh.

Money is green. But yeah, it was a good, it was an astronomical payday. It was a stupid payday. But the crazy thing was after the show, which by the way, I mean, we put on a full show. We're like kids roll. I mean, they were rolling. You know, it's like we're at the science center with our kids. Yeah.

That was the audience. They're rolling around. They're picking their nose. They're like, you know, it was the wildest thing. But then after. the little boy comes up, he goes, oh, thank you so much for performing at my birthday. And I just wanted to give you this as a gift from me, you know, thank you. You know, it was a thank you. I'm like, oh, thank you, you know, and I open it up. And it's a watch, you know, and I'm like, oh, that's cool.

Nice watch, you know. I don't know anything about watches, you know. Cassio. Yeah. And so I go upstairs and I'm like, got the watch on the desk and I'm just like doing things. And I'm like, I wonder what that is. Like, I'll just, you know, Google it, you know. So I open it up and it's a hubelow. I've heard of it Okay It's a Hubello Big Bang

It's like I'm gonna look it up I'm looking it up Olivia we're looking it up How much is the Hubeo Big Bang What's it called a Hubello Holy shit?

Yeah Hubello holy shit The Hubello holy shit The Hes Range from The cheapest that I'm seeing here Is like $10,000 Okay well it wasn't that one

No it goes to like $46,000 It was that one Yeah Wow Yeah And so So I open it and I see that he just gave me a $40,000 watch, this little boy. Wow.

You know? So I opened my door. I'm running up and down the hall. I'm banging on all my band's doors, you know. I'm banging on the doors and they open the doors. I like, what, what? I go, that kid just gave me a BMW. I'm like, what the heck?

And so, you know, and what I ended up doing with it, which was amazing and so smart is I was playing pool in Vancouver. And it was, you know, it was bothering me. I didn't like it. It was uncomfortable. And so I took it off and I put it by my jacket. And when I did that, I forgot that it was a $40,000 Hubello. Sure.

And I don't have that watch anymore. Because someone came along and snatched it up. That hurts. Bastards. But I mean, I don't, I don't, I can't, I don't deserve to have something that. I don't need to have things like that. Wow. Wow.

Josh, do you want to go on a trip to the Galapagos with me? Do you mean the Galapagos proper or the Easter Islands? Which are only accessible by the Galapagos? I don't know. I just want to go and see beautiful islands, something rainforesty, me and you, we're going to take in all of the wonderful animals, the sights, the sounds. We're going to bring our S-25 Ultras, and we're going to take some gorgeous ultra-wide shots of this beautiful scenery.

Doesn't that sound unbelievable? It does sound unbelievable. And also, Galapagos is the name of my friends who own the diner in my neighborhood. The Galapagos is. Anyway. Do you know why I'm thinking Galapagos, Josh? You're going to die. Why?

Last night I get a text from my mom. Ben, I just booked a trip for me and your father were going to the Galapagos for 11 days. There was like something on like a, what do you know those like random emails that you'll get that's like for now for 1799, you can get an 11 day trip to the Galapagos. They booked one of those. It's the two of them, 25 other people going to the Galapagos. I just hope they come back. But I'm going to send them with an S-25 Ultra so they can take all those gorgeous pictures. Imagine Bruce in the rainforest.

Imagine Bruce in 200 megapixels. Listen. If you don't send them with a Galaxy S-25 Ultra, you're not a good son. Because the truth is, is they're going to be popping this thing out of their pocket? And they're going to be getting some of the most iconic shots you've ever seen. I mean, let me just ask you. I have like DSLRs at home. I have like really proper, big, nice cameras.

They're not 200 megapixels like this camera. This camera is sick, Josh. This camera's sick. Sorry to interrupt you. Continue. No, there's no 50 megapixel ultra wide lens. It's like, and it's the size of my head, which is not small. These phones are it.

And all I can picture, my dad climbs the top of a mountain. My mom takes a nice ultra wide picture. on that gorgeous 50 megapixel lens. You see his hair blowing in the wind. You see the iguana. I don't know if any of this is indigenous to the Galapagos. You see an iguana. You see a small monkey, maybe an orangutan.

It's fantastic. Well, they're going to need a 50 megapixel ultra-wide lens. Why? Group shots. Them and these 30 other yentas are going to want to remember this for the rest of their lives. They will. Oh, that was so good. Oh, my gosh.

The S-25 Ultra. is an unbelievable phone with an unbelievable camera. We're talking ultra-wide, 50 megapixel. We're talking 200 regular megapixels. So many pixels. It has a 200-mapixel camera, and what I'm excited about is we've been talking about

sending up a subscription model for the pod with us doing episodes that are random. They're weird. They're random. They're like, what's that emoji? Random. I wish you guys could see the way my wife's looking at me right now.

Anyway, the truth of the matter is, You know me. I'm Christian Carion over here. I don't check. Okay. I have no room for equipment, but I have room for this, and it's all I need. So if you want your Galaxy S-25 Ultra from Samsung, go to Samsung.com right now. Ben, do you have any other questions before we go to What Do You Nuts? Yeah. And if you don't want to talk about it, we don't have to. I just wanted to know as it relates to the other court case. Is there anything new there? Is that totally closed? Yeah, no, that's done. That's unfortunate. Yeah, that's all done.

There was one thing I did want to say, it was, oh, when we were talking about the 10 years of not seeing each other, and I was saying that there were two things that I had known, is when I came back to do when you asked me to be on grandfathered. Yeah. It just flowed. It was just like so natural. I was just like, oh, that was really cool. When I left and I was like, that's what I'm talking about. That's what, when I try to explain this to people, like, that was it right there. Like, I came in, did our thing.

It was so simple, boom, boom. And we had some, we were trying, there were some lines that they were changing for the button, changing the joke, doing this there. And it was like, that doesn't happen with everybody you work with. Yeah. I think, you know, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about me, but I feel like you're the best I've ever seen you. And I'm just extremely excited about, you know, what you have next and all the great things

you're doing. And I think there was like, and you talked about it in the doc, like, I would love to know if there was. like an aha moment kind of thing. Because you know, you talk about in the dock, you went through this trial, and you had a little boy and like sort of all these life events. And I think you, did you go somewhere to like kind of work on some of this? Yeah, I went to rehab in Nashville.

What drove you to that moment? You know, honestly, I think it was just like exhaustion and just being at just nowhere else to turn, like just feeling like a rat in a cage, like just, just, just. feeling like I couldn't do it anymore. You know, it was just so... Because you were going through it publicly. Oh, everything was public, man. I mean, it's just crazy, you know.

And yeah, so it got hard. And, you know, I was, I just had my son, my, you know, things were going on with my, with my marriage. And it was just all happening at the same time and all publicly and all of that. And I think that I just got to a point where I was like, I don't know what,

I don't know how to do this. Like, this is just something I don't know how to do, you know. I know how to survive. Like, you know, I've been doing that my whole life. I feel like I've needed to just survive. So I knew I could do that, but I didn't know how, you know, you can survive, but you could survive and have made really bad choices. And you can survive and end up somewhere not too great or, you know, die or whatever it

And so, yeah, I just was like, all right, I know I'm going to survive. I know I'm going to be all right. I know I'm not going to be like that headline, but I don't know what the hell is going on and how I'm going to navigate through this or how I'm ever going to do what I love again or be a father or be. And it just became this like, and I had to go somewhere where I got there. You know, I went, it was like this battle where I was like kicking and screaming. No, I don't want to go, but I know I have to go.

And then finally I got there and I, it was beautiful. It was Nashville, Tennessee. It's just rolling green hills, the most beautiful, you know, Johnny Cash went there and they, like, built a wing for him. And there's just, this, just, like, peace and it was just trees and silence and rolling hills and a lake. And, like, and it was the first time for so long. And I didn't even realize it that I walked out.

I'd just gone through all of my, like, intake. So I was just like kicking and screaming through that. I was like, I don't want me, this sucks, you know. And finally I like get my papers and I walk outside and I see where I'm at. And I just go, it was this like sudden. Yeah. It's going to be all right. You made the best decision.

It's going to be cool. And so then through that, it became, I don't know if you've ever gone to like a place where you're like, you know, it's militaristic. You're stuck. Like you're following the rules. You're in there day and day out. 30, you know, however long, 30, 60, night, whatever it is. And, you know, it starts as a battle. And you're just like, F the staff, F the authority, F this, do what you got to do

to get out of here. And then stuff starts clicking, starts making sense. You start vibing with some of the guys. You start hearing their stories. You start going, wow, like, wow, I'm not alone in this. Because that's the number one thing is you're like, you don't get me, man. You've never been, you've never, you don't understand. Don't try and help me. You don't know how I feel. You don't know my pain. You've never experienced what I've been through. Yeah. It's the power. The power of me too. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm sitting there around my, all these guys in a room and I'm hearing how this person went through this and this person went through this. And I'm going, okay, first of all, I'm not alone. And second of all,

damn, you guys are pretty balzy and brave to share your experience to share your experience in this room with strangers. And then we all became brothers, man. And we bonded. Like I've got a show in Nashville coming up, a bunch of them were coming. You know, and it's like, that was no more of a battle. Like, I was excited to go to class in the morning. I was excited to make my bed. I became the mayor of the cabin, you know? I became the guy that was, you know.

And that's, before the rehab, I had said no to the documentary over and over and over and over and over. Wow. I was not going to be a part of it. And I didn't want any part of it. But after rehab, when I came out, I was like, let me see your, let me see what your angle is here. Let me see, I'll talk to you guys. I'll start entertaining this idea because maybe, you know, because I felt really good. I felt, you know, like, wow, this is maybe sharing my story will help me and maybe help others and maybe, you know, and I didn't want to have my story. I always thought of, I didn't know if I was

ever going to really say anything, but I would think about it a lot. And I would think, well, if I ever did, you know, what, is it going to just be like on a podcast or is it going to be like in an interview that maybe some people read like what would be the platform that I would have to like ever like you know get on Oprah you know sure like Oprah comes back for us yeah right double on time but I didn't know what platform so when I I was like maybe this is you know maybe this is all kind of the way it was supposed to yeah work out that if you were ever going to tell your story like here's a platform here's a way to get it heard and to make it not be meaningless and and that's and so so that's why after the rehab, I was like, you know, all right, maybe this is my time to, my opportunity to

do this thing that I never thought that I would ever do. When I went into my first 12-step meeting, I remember a guy said, you know, you didn't tell me what was wrong with me, you told me what was wrong with you. And I identified. Because for so long, I walked around going, I think too much, I feel too much, I hurt too much, and if you had my head on your shoulders, you drink too. Yeah. But you don't.

Yep. So, and it wasn't until I walked into a room of other people who, who think and feel and hurt and drank and did the way I did, but they weren't a, they weren't a glum lot. Yeah. People who had lives and families and careers. And I was like, oh, thank God. Yeah. I'm not alone, right? Because this thing, trauma, disease, addiction, it wants you alone.

That's all, that's the number one thing is you are alone in this. And that's what was going through, what I was going through all those years was. you know, and with the stigma that everybody is, it's going to hurt my career. Even if, like, even though I know that I'm the one that's the victim here and is this going to be, you know, but you all, you still think that you're going to have, you know, it's like, it's like, I mean, and it's crazy, you know, things are coming to my head. I mean, I'm a little bit just because as I'm talking, a lot of things are coming back,

but it's like what you said about, or no, what I was saying, having the thought of like doing the pilot and you're like, I know that this thing's going to come out and this is going to happen. And is Josh going to be pissed at me because this might affect the show? And like this is it. And I'm like, like we look back as like adults and his parents is like, first of all, that's a ridiculous thing to think. But also like how like what a bummer.

Like and what a strain like that without my even realizing it. And with obviously without you knowing it or realizing it, starts to put wedges and strains on our relationship moving forward. And as adolescence and us, it's like we're thinking like, oh, he's just too cool to hang out with. And I'm like, oh, he just, you know, he doesn't think, you know, he, whatever. It's like we're thinking the, like, yeah, for each other.

We're thinking for each other when really it's like, shit, like Josh is going through a lot. Like, you know, and especially in those years where we were, where we were visibly, you know, like, like, bro, Josh. Like, hey, like I've been through. some shit, but like, hey, slow down, you know? And you're probably like, Drake, like, come on, bro. Like, we work on Tuesday mornings. Like, I don't know why it's, it's 6 a.m. And you're calling me to go meet you at a thing. I don't, I don't know what you're doing. Are you okay? It sounds like season four and five. Yeah. But, uh, but even like just without that, like, just the stuff that we

didn't even realize was like, you know, I think in there and impacting all of it. No, I think, you know, I really, I give a lot of. credit to the documentary and for what it did for not only us, but for the zeitgeist for the world and for people watching. And I think, and you talk about it really well on the doc, like the details of the trial that you went through and then you coming out of that and going, I don't want to speak for you, but just being like, this behavior is at the very least reckless. Like this is getting me in a place that I don't want to be. And if I don't face these things, this cycle will continue.

And giving you credit for facing that stuff and going to rehab. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, watching you throughout the years too has been a big inspiration because it's like, you know, you, you know, being in this industry and being around and also just being in that world of like, you know, the 12 steps and all of that. And, you know, you're friend of Bill, you know, that whole thing is like, you know, you're watching people. And I, you know, I don't want to sit here and it's easy and you're not going to fall and you're not going to slide back and, you know, it's a day by day thing, you know, it's a, you know, yeah.

But, you know, it's like, you know, watching you has been inspiring because it's like, you know, you really stick to your shit, you know what I mean? Thanks. You know, you do, I don't know, it takes a lot of will, you know, because I've gone through a lot of similar things and I know, you know, it's not fucking easy. Yeah. But yeah, you just always like, you're like, I'm going to do this and this is what my decision is how I'm going to be and what I'm going to put in my body and what I'm not going to put in my

body and like now just pet and you kind of do that and it's like kind of wild because a lot of people do that for some time you know and then Friday rolls around and they're like I don't feel sick anymore let's go drink I'll be California so yeah like exactly yeah all these dispensaries they call to me Ben you want to hit us with a what do you nuts yeah okay last question watching the documentary I think a lot of people looked at it and were like okay there's one person that seems to be missing from this, and that would be Amanda Bines, where everybody sort of watched her and then very publicly saw a very different version of her. I'm just curious, were you close, I think, were you close on the Amanda show?

And when was the last time you were in touch? Like, are you in touch with her at all? Have you been in touch with her over the last 20 years? I think I told you about this. I randomly talked to her, like, oh, it's 2017, maybe? maybe around 2016, 2017, 2018, I don't know. It was around that time.

But it was like, I randomly messaged her. Like, I was like just like, she was in the news or something. I was just like thinking about her. And I was like, oh, I'm just going to message her. She'll never see it. She'll never respond. And then she responded. And we like, message back and forth a little bit.

And then that was the last I'd talk to her. But no, I mean, other than being on the show. And, you know, she was an idol to me. I mean, I grew up on all that. One of the most talented people. Unbelievable. Yeah. And when I got to audition for the Amanda show, she may as well have been Rachel on Friends.

Like she was the biggest thing on the planet to me. She's the man. Come on. Olivia, I know you loved it. Oh, fantastic. I've seen her like, see her like every two to three years we'll run into each other. Yeah. She's just the greatest.

Yeah. She was great then. She remains great and such a good person. And obviously it's had some sort of some public struggles. But I just think she's got one of the great. great hearts and great skills, great talents. Yeah, I mean, that's all I, that's all I've ever experienced with, with Amanda was just like this dynamite force of nature when it comes to like,

just talent, you know, watching her was like watching Carol Burnett was like watching this, you know, who's the, Tracy Olman, you know? Okay. All right. Our what are you nuts moment, Drake is people, places and things, gripes with humanity. You're walking down the streets of Mexico and you're like, what are you fucking nuts? What are you nuts? Okay.

So there is this, and Rovi, you have to help me with this because I don't know exactly what they say. But every morning, there is this loud speaker that goes through Mexico. And actually, did you see Amelia Perez? No. No. Ben did.

I loved it. Okay. You know at the beginning, when they have the thing with the smoke coming out, and then they have the speaker that's like, I'm what they're saying is they're like, refrigerators, mattresses, chairs, da-da-da-da, we buy these, you know, like, so there, and it's a truck that's driving around, and they pick up like old mattresses and refrigerators and everything, but it's so loud and it starts as soon as the sun comes up.

So you'll be just like sleeping and everything's like, and then all of a sudden you're like, Refragidators, and you're just like, oh my, wait, and it goes, And just all through the city. And you're like, so that's one thing that I could, it's weird. There's this like kind of like love for it where it's like if it stopped, I'd be like, oh, like I miss that. Like that's like reminds me of Mexico. It's like gives me the feeling of Mexico, you know, but also it could stop. Fair.

Yeah. Ben, what do you got? That's nuts. You know, when you're you're in a restaurant, you're walking. down the stairs, right? You're going to go to the bathroom. It's downstairs. And you see coming up, there's a mother and she's walking her five-year-old up the stairs,

one step at a time, not five, one step at a time. You're like, do you really need to teach your daughter how to walk here? You have to teach her right now how to walk up the stairs. It's very narrow. I'm walking down. Can't you do it in your own house? What are you nuts? Teach her to walk so.

somewhere else. Now having my son, I do see that sometimes where I'm like, this is the pick them up and walk moment. Like, can you move, can you move, pick them up. Like, you can pick them up and go. Like, let's go. Parents love doing it on airplanes too. Oh, yeah.

Like, we're boarding an airplane. Now you're going to teach her to walk. Pick her up. We're boarding a plane. It's so good. My Woody and Nuts moment is I have friends of mine who live in the San Fernando Valley. The beautiful San Fernando Valley. And they've, you know, born and bred in Los Angeles.

And the other day they were like, we're moving to Nashville. I go, I didn't know you love Nashville. They go, we don't. Nashville, Austin, Boise, Palm Beach, God bless them. This is not an indictment on them. But these people are just moving there, blind. Yeah, they're just like, fuck it, fuck it. I had friends move from, they were like, we're getting out of here,

we're going to Austin, we're done. And like, we're out. and I think it was Austin. And I'm like, cool, Zuzzi. They get to Austin. That's when they had that crazy winter. And everyone got frozen out. And the power grid.

They literally moved into their house, were there for a week, and then they were in a hotel, and everything was frozen over, and the power was gone. Oh, no. I'm like, oh, you poor people. I'm like, oh, it's not that bad, is it?

No. But no, it's Nashville, it's Florida. all my friends are gone. That's why I'm like, I spend most of my time mostly in Mexico and Florida now. And I'm barely in L.A. Because I was sitting at my house. You know, I'd come back from Mexico or Latin America or wherever I'm touring. And then I'd sit at my house and I'd be like, I have no friends in Los Angeles.

They're all gone. I'm like, Thomas went to Fresno. Will went to Nashville, went to Texas, went to Florida. I'm like, I don't even have. anyone to call. Yeah, it's crazy. If I want to hang out with someone, I got to fly. What's income tax?

What's income tax like in Mexico? All I know is between Mexico and Florida, you must be saving a pretty penny. Oh, it's low. It's quite, it's quite low. Yeah. Oh, man. The good guys go to Mexico City next. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Then take us home. On the road. Drake, first and foremost, thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. pleasure. I wish I was in person, but it was an absolute pleasure. You're amazing. And I'd love to just give you an opportunity to plug really anything. Like, of course, we can find you on Instagram, but you're touring. What else is going on? I have a new record out. It's called Nonstop Flight.

Yeah, you guys can check out the new music video. I kind of relate. That's a pretty heavy, cool video. But yeah, we've got some videos that we've released from that record, and I'm on tour right now. But yeah, check out nonstop flight. It's available anywhere at you stream. And not in physical. physical copies because that's too expensive and nobody buys them anymore. Okay, good to know. Well, five stars, Drake and Josh and kind of Ben. Five stars. Otherwise, what are you nuts?

Listen to us wherever you get your podcast. Watch us on YouTube. Josh's YouTube. Share our clips, Instagram and TikTok, Mondays and Thursdays folks, Drake Bell. We'll see you soon. Thank you so much. I felt like we could be here for four hours. Open invite.

I don't usually, you know, I am a little dressed up, but I do have somewhere to go. after this. It's fair. You look amazing. We're doing it again. And this will fit in there. So it'll be all right.

But yeah, we got to do it again. Love you, Ben. Love you. I love you, Ben. Great. I love you, Drake. I love you, Drake. I love Josh.

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