Good Guys - Going Vegan, Getting Pulled Over & Gen Z's Dating Crisis

Episode Date: July 6, 2026

Greetings morons! We're kicking things off with Ben's war on black bean burgers and somehow ends with a debate about driving in the HOV lane with an empty car seat. We're breaking down what it actually means to be "vegetarian adjacent" and "kosher adjacent," and Josh tries (and fails) to get Ben to commit to full veganism. We unpack the complicated, sometimes absurd rules of keeping kosher - including why you technically can't milk a chicken. Then things get real when we share our wildest police encounter stories, including Ben's divine intervention moment going 90 in a 50. Plus, we're weighing in on whether Gen Z is actually swearing off casual sex (Ben's not buying it), reacting to a reality TV star's mental health spiral, cheering on a 96-year-old rocket scientist looking for love, and helping a listener design his dream home office - spoiler: no sports memorabilia allowed. Write us! Send your messages to [e-mail]  Follow us on Instagram and TikTok!  Sponsors: Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Monster morons, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. Josh, as a, I'll say vegetarian adjacent, I know Page is vegan, but I, I buck it, I know vegetarians and vegans are a little bit different. I'm actually sure now that I'm thinking about it, that vegans really look down on vegetarians, but I'll still say, as vegetarian adjacent, can we agree that we need to completely remove the black bean burger from menus? I don't know if we can agree on that. No, I don't. I think a black bean veggie burger is Ashunda.

It is disgusting. And there is a much better way to entertain vegetarians and vegans. This is, I had, I had one of the worst fucking black bean burgers. Let me tell you, so bad, it's just such like a lame attempt at being, oh, here, vegetarian, take my black beans. Why did you do it? because you were trying to fiend kosher? Yeah, you know me. I like, I do, I do my best.

And I definitely will not eat a burger. Like, I won't go to a stadium and eat a burger. And I went to a concert recently. And I was hungry. And I went and I got the vegetarian black bean burger. And it was horrible. It was horrible. And I left it wishing there was an impossible burger.

I left it wishing that it was even just like, a great roasted vegetable sandwich, one that I made this morning that I'll tell you about was the greatest sandwich I've ever had in my life. But black beans, I just think black bean burgers are gross. I don't think you've just ever had a good one. Like, just as here's the truth, right? You would eat a burger at Hillstone. Yeah.

I would eat a burger at Hillstone. So you'd eat a burger at Hillstone. But I go there, I go there maybe once a year. But the burger at the stadium is probably not. much better than the black bean burger, let's be honest. And because it's just shitty stadium food. Correct. It's not a black bean burger, but like I actually think these are worse.

Hillstone does a traditional veggie burger. And it's insane. It's so good, right? So I think it just depends where you go. I'm sure all the things, the mushrooms, like, because you need something like meaty, succulent. I love a mushroom. Okay, a shake shack. They do this like mushroom and cheese burger thing.

This is fantastic. Mushrooms are meaty, Josh. This is what I'm, this is the to the core of my problem. I just think black beans are not a good base for a burger. But they are, they're hearty. They taste like beans.

I don't want beans. If I wanted beans, I'd order beans and rice. This is it, this is not, it's, it's not the flavor profile I look for in a burger. That's all.

You know, it's not properly seasoned either, but I'm telling you, you can get to Umami Nirvana if something is executed correctly. People are making Ahi watermelon tartar, babe. Totally. You're right. It's crazy. You are right that there's probably a way to make a good black bean burger. I've had a couple.

I will say that I've had a lot of black bean burgers, and it's very rare that they're any good. So I'd like to get rid of them. Let me float this by you. In your attempt to be able to eat out, try to stay kosher adjacent. Yes. What if you made a rule and said, whenever I eat out, I'm going to be eating vegan if it's a non-kosher restaurant. If I'm eating at home, if I'm at a kosher restaurant, no holds barred, whatever I want to eat, all the meat, anything,

because I know I don't have to worry. But when I go out, as a rule, I'll just eat vegan because I know that that's kosher. Could? I eat and love eating fish. I eat a lot of fish.

So that would be my problem with it. I don't know what I would eat if I went to a restaurant and I tried to be vegan. For me, it would just end up being probably a lot of pasta. I guess veggies, certainly.

But I love, like, the number one thing that I will eat at a restaurant while I try to be mindful is fish. And I guess it's just the hierarchy that fish, it's okay if they're not kosher, but... I don't eat non-coacher fish. Like, the only fish that's really not kosher that you'll serve that you'll eat would be a swordfish, which I don't really eat. Like, if you go to a restaurant, tuna, salmon, like, all that's kosher. But it's not prepared kosher.

It is for 99.9% of Jews. Like, they would eat a piece of fish. Fish isn't prepared or not prepared kosher. It would depend on technically the pan that you were cooking it in. If the pan was also cooked, like, if they cooked meat on that same pan, which they probably don't do in a restaurant. They probably have a fish pan and a meat pan, but that would be the only thing that's not kosher. There isn't like the same dietary ways of like shechting or like killing an animal,

like a cow versus fish. Fish is just, does it have scales, does it not have scales? Kosher people will, if they have a kosher home, they could go get a fish from whole foods. They wouldn't have to get it at a kosher grocery. Correct. Correct. They can get a fish at Whole Foods. even like truly kosher people.

Truly kosher people. I think that there could be some cross-contamination with shellfish. So you would need to find out if, like if it's next to and in the same section as shrimp, they probably wouldn't because of the potential contaminants of the board between the cod that they were getting and shrimp. But most modern orthodox people that I know will get fish at Whole Foods. Because like I've never seen a Hussed. at a Whole Foods, right?

Like, I never see religious people anywhere other than a kosher grocery store. Like super religious, a Hasidic Jew, I'm sure even some very Orthodox Jews, that is absolutely what they would do. They would go strictly to a kosher grocer and get their fish from there, their meat from there, 100%. But many, many modern Orthodox Jews, which are, I think, the majority I think the

group that you're talking about is definitely the minority and respect but most most people that I know that are very religious like keep fully kosher way more religious than me

will buy a piece of cod at Citeorella or a halibut at Whole Foods or something like that and certainly we'll eat it in a restaurant because otherwise this is this is where it gets tricky it's like

life is also about enjoying life. Like if you can only eat at kosher restaurants, if that's what you need to do, then you should do it. I think I got to amend what you're saying. I think what you're actually saying is life is about what's doing right,

what's right for you. Yes. Yes. Like, because what you're offering to someone who, like I have a friend Gabe who's modern Orthodox, like doesn't have pay us, but he just wears a Kipa. Yeah. He's proper kosher. He won't eat at a non-cocha restaurant because of the plates and the cross-contamination and what happened.

Yes. And I think what your saying, your version of happiness for him would be like stressful and upsetting and right. So it's just you honor what's right for you. Honor. Honor what's right for you. Yes. I definitely do. And I would ask him this. I definitely do struggle with. some of the reasons why some of these laws are in place. Like some of them are rabbinically driven. And for example, the not mixing milk and meat somehow applying to poultry, it was always very strange to me. Like, poultry is not meat. You are not, it is not milk from the mother.

Like, it's just, you can't milk a chicken. And when you ask a rabbi this, they will just say it was what the rabbis decided. But there's also something that says that if a really great rabbi comes in and changes something, you can listen to the rabbi. I just, it's just confusing to me. I love Gabe's POV. That's not to say that I should be eating a chicken parm. I'm just saying that there are certain things that I feel are very, you have to do it.

But it all comes down to exactly what you just said. You do what's right for you. But I think that part of being Jewish is questioning things. And this never made me sense to me. But you crush a chicken parm, right? I feel like we have gone in on a nice carbone chicken parm. I loved it. So good.

I eat with the, I don't eat shellfish ever. With the, or pig. With the except, outside of that, absolutely, I have eaten. And especially when it's like, when I'm with you, I'm eating. I'm not going to be boring. But like, you're like one of the rare people, my friend Matt Hardoon, I'm the same way with. Like, there are special people in my life where. we don't eat that often together.

And when we eat together, I'm going to fucking go to town. But other than that, like in my day-to-day life, I really do, I really do keep kosher. Like, I don't go to restaurants and eat meat. And I don't know,

it feels right for me to do it that way. Like, I don't want to, otherwise it's so boring. Like, I don't want to go and order the Dover Soul again with you. Like, I want to eat something good. We're trying a new restaurant. That's like what's right for me.

But in my day to day, I treat that as a special occasion. In my day to day life, I wouldn't do that. Just because it's not right for me. Yeah, I think it all depends. And like probably what those rabbis would tell you when you're bringing up milk and chicken and chicken not being poultry and not meat is like it's Tevia in, you know, his first line in fiddler on the roof, right? It's tradition. Totally. These things have kept us safe through 5,000 years.

somehow they've allowed our people to survive and thus we keep it up. Because what probably where it was established was before there was food safety, right? And absolutely access to being able to have food refrigerated and safely butchered and whatnot. And so they were like probably better we don't mix shit. So if something's off, we'll know. We'll know what was off. 100%. Yeah.

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moment in traditional film, right? Because I think it is truly something to be proud of that he is my favorite YouTuber and everything he's ever made. I think it's great. But he did this video all about he's run every day for two years straight, like five to 10 miles a day for two years. you're straight. And he's like, what became easy was the decision that it was already made, right? What's hard is waking up every day going, should I run? Am I going to run? Oh, it's getting late in the day. Should I? I'm so tired. He's like, no, I made the decision and everything got easier. So, like, when people have restrictions on what they eat or some religious things that keep them in check for whatever they need, it's like, I have respect for that because I think, like, yeah,

they made the decision and it actually freed them, you know? Yeah, no, it's a really interesting point that it's easier for him to run every day because he's made his decision. You're so right. The hardest part, especially for me as somebody who always wants to go to the gym, never does, or always wants to like, if I just, it's a very interesting perspective. It's very interesting. It's not do I want to. It's I am. I am, Josh.

I am. I am. I got pulled over on my way here, Ben. I know. I've been waiting for you to tell me this story. Were you speeding? Perhaps the taillight was out? Perhaps your registration was old?

What happened? First of all, I was, I was, look, it's not important what I was doing. It wasn't that unsafe, okay? Okay. You were texting and driving. Anyway, I was not texting. I was connecting a call that required. me to like log in on my phone and whatever it was really bad timing and the motorcycle cop saw me

and he pulled me over and I did what I think everyone should do this is my humble opinion this is from my experience which I know is specific to me the moment he walked up to my window I said you got me I was like you got me because right away he goes I'm not going to have to fight this guy, I'm not going to have to deal with a bunch of bullshit for like the next 40 minutes of him trying to like talk his way out of this. And like he's going to, he's going to comply, right? I'm not going to make his day harder. Straight up. Yep. Yep. And, uh, and I think that's why he let me go. Oh, he fully let you go. That's nice. He took my license. He's like, let me, let me, let me, let me make sure everything's kosher. Walk back to his cutie bike.

I was like, nice bike. He was like, don't talk about my motorcycle. I said, no problem. I was like, oh, is that a Dukadi? He's like, no, it's a cop bike, you fucking idiot. And he checked my things out, and he walked up. And he was like, you're free to go. Have a good day.

And he was like, and then as you walked away, like, while his body cam wasn't pointed at me, he just turns and goes, and behave. And I was like, yes, sir. You want to get in? Yeah. What do you have to work? I'll behave right onto that call. Oh, no.

Oh, wow. You got away with it. That is amazing. There's no better feeling than when a cop lets you off. I don't think that I told you what happened to me like a month ago. It was so insignificant,

or it was so significant then and then I completely forgot about it. I parked my car. And on the street, it was metered parking, like legal to park there. And, but the. meter, there was a traffic cop there. The meter next to me was broken. So I walked up to the traffic

cop and I said, hi, I know you're here. I'm parked in a legal spot. The meter here is broken. If you don't mind, I'm going to walk across the street, put money in the meter for the, like, it's a ticket that you display. I'm just going to do it across the street and I'm going to go and put it right back on my car. Is that okay with you? Like you can see me. I'm right here. It's 30 seconds. He said, no problem at all. Absolutely. I go across the. the street. I put it in for two hours. Thirty seconds later, I come back. He wrote me a ticket. Oh, what a fuck. I said, didn't we just have a conversation? Like, why are you writing me a ticket? He said, oh my God, that's your car? I forgot. I'm like, what do you mean you forgot? I was just talking to

you. I just, we're standing by my car. I just walked across the street. And he gave me a ticket in the time that I walked. Josh. So sometimes you get the cop that you got. And sometimes you get the guy who's looking to hit a quota. And let me tell you, I was really fucking pissed. It was really terrible. But your experience is, it's rare and it's amazing when that happens. I don't know.

And look, point of privilege. I know, I think there's some, you know, it doesn't hurt to be, you know, a part of many people's childhood.

But every time that I've been about to get a, like, if they've already put it in the system, it's a rap, dog, don't fight that shit. But if they are in the process and you just make a compelling statement,

And you just, you have to accept it. You go, listen, I'm done. I'm cooked, as the kids say. Yeah. Officially cooked. Okay. But if perhaps you have a fleeting moment of mercy in you and it's directed towards me, so be it.

Either way, I have a great day. Nice hat. Mead or made. And sometimes they bless you. Sometimes they bless you. Absolutely. The best I once had, I was pulled over and I was going fast. Josh. I was going really fast. I was probably going like 90 and a 50 and I was pulled over. And

like hearts racing, I knew I was going fast. And all of a sudden he pulls up in front of me and then his sirens go on and he leaves and he must have gotten something that was more important. I don't know if you've ever had that before, but the traffic cop pulled me over and then he must have gotten something that was more important in that exact moment like a high speed car chase. And he left. This is probably five. years ago. And yeah, that was, I thought I was blessed by God. I don't want to be, I don't like fighting with you. You sure? I don't. Tell me, what's wrong? 90 and a 50. It's no good. I totally agree with you. I shouldn't have been going that fast. That's asshole shit. That's, like, five years ago.

And someone else shit. Five years ago, I was an asshole driver. There's no question. I'm not that kind of driver anymore with my sweet Rubin. I couldn't be. Do I go fast? Yes. but I do not go abnormally above the speed limit because it is not safe. But back in the day, I was speed demon. But a 90 in a 50, a 90 and a 50 is some real, you know, going 80 on the freeway, 85, all right, you know. But a 50, that's like, that's straight to jail, my boy, by the way. Too fast. No, I actually know for a fact that straight to jail in a 50 would be one.

one. You cross double. Jail. 60 and a 30. Sixty one in a 30. Sixty one in a 25. You get the point. Don't go 40 in a speed in a school zone, people. They could toss your ass to jail. No, boss it. Okay. No, Bueno. Don't go double. Oh, my God. You got a deadless. You're nuts. I know. But I've been reformed. I've been reformed. Don't we know it. And we, we, listen, we, we You see the way you eat? No, I'm kidding. I'm a very safe driver. I'm a very safe driver. Should we get to some weird news?

We should. What do we got today in the ethos? What are the people talking about? And then I had got a roaring, rip-roaring, moron mail for you. But give me the weird stuff first. God, don't I love it? Well, are you down on one-night stands, Gen Z, swipe and left on casual sex in exchange for heartfelt experiences?

This is from the California Post. It's an age-old nightlife scenario. You lock eyes with a stranger across a crowded bar. Share a couple cocktails followed by the classic Walk a shame the next morning. Well, Jen Ziers ain't doing that. Yeah. Elizabeth Newman, sexologist and head researcher.

Oh, God. You know. Where, University of Phoenix? She's a sexologist. She's the sexologist and head researcher at the global sex toy retailer. I don't know. DirtyBerddyBerdie.

told us that younger generations aren't necessarily more prudish, but are instead reacting to a radically altered dating climate, including dating nap, fatigue, a massive decline in nightlife and the ongoing cost of living crises. With more than a quarter of late night venues closed since 2020, we're seeing a real shift in how young people approach alcohol and nightlife. Yeah. The data revealed that only.

half of 18 to 24 year olds have had a drunken sexual encounter compared to nearly 70% of 25 to 34 year olds and almost three quarters of 35 to 44 year olds. I'm fairly certain that Gen Z is very horny.

Like I don't know if I trust this. Like I don't know if you've seen this show Love Island, Josh. Let me tell you, this is about as raunchy as it gets. Raunchy. And people love it. They're eating it up.

I just, I don't know. I guess I believe that there's less drunken sex because there's probably less drunk people. But I want to know how much mushroom sex has gone through the roof. Okay? Wean sex. Chaga sex. Yeah. Lions main sex.

Yeah, I'm telling you, that's through the roof. Yeah. Okay. And also what, the sex toy company there, but they're probably trying to sell toys. Elthian sex. I that sounds wonderful people are doing CBD and canoodling and it's not what about me

you think they're doing magnesium glistenate hopefully you didn't accidentally take sulfate because then that would be a dirty they'll be pooping while they're doing you said it not me I did you said it not and that's also a kink and you should go to jail if that's your kink you go to jail

straight straight you go to jail I don't know what it was about being 13 at summer camp and somebody saying that they watched a video where a girl shit on somebody's chest and that was like a cool thing. Not for me. My kids are never going to camp and I feel great about it.

Don't let Ruben go to sit. Don't send him away, Ben. Not for me. The shitting. The sleepaway camp for me. We're going to start with day camp though. There's no reason to push it. If he wants to go, there's no, there's an sending.

If he's pulled, he's pulled. If he's not pulled, he's not pulled. He's not pulled. If his friends from day camp are going, he wants to go, he wants to explore. He's going to chart his own path. Don't do it. Because for me, can you imagine saying goodbye to him for eight weeks? No, so hard.

That said, I can't imagine having not gone to camp. They were the greatest summers in my life. I had so much fun. So yeah, I was probably really hard on my parents. I can't even imagine. Literally, I go one night without seeing or talking to my mom. It's like, it's game. over for her. And me too. And so yeah, I can't even imagine what they what they went through.

But yeah, we'll see. I can't. Are you going to like I don't here's an interesting debate. I don't, I'm not, my kids can't sleep out. Sorry. We're not doing sleepovers. They can come to sleep over my house. But for what, I mean, you know, at their cousins at a at a at a safe. Sure. At a safe harbor. Yes. Sure. But some Rando from second grade, I think not. Oh, I think not. Yeah. I totally agree no to Rando.

I think it will be different when I'm there, B.H. And can really feel it. And it's like imminent and happening. I feel like if this is a parent that I'm close with, that I know well and our kids are very close. I feel like it's okay. Like the, hey, I want to sleep at so-and-so is happening. house? Nope. I know what I did at so-and-so's house. Okay? I watched nudie films. I saw my first nipple. Okay? No. No. Um, so yeah, I, I don't, yeah, you can't let him sleep at random's

houses, especially you Josh Peck. What do you? I, wait, this is no good. Take him from ransom. They're going to want to, totally. Rest in peace, Nancy Guthrie. It's a terrible story. God, it's the worst. It's a terrible story. But these things are real. These things are real. It was funny. I was talking to my buddy about this because he's got a 10 and 11 year old. And they have friends that are like one or two years older.

And they're like family friends. But, you know, they, he's like, they're older kids. And they are just, they're good kids. But they're exposing my kids to shit that's just too advanced for them and too grown up. And he's like, it kills me. Yes. But I, and I was like, you got to cut that down. You got to cut that off now.

Right? I agree. Yeah, no, that's different. I didn't think about that. This is such a nuanced question. I would rather let the Great Max sleep over at a friend's house who's his age or a year younger. The difference between 7 and 9, 10 and 13 is a like one is a baby and one is in high school. Yeah.

Like this is the 13. year old has probably found his genitals. Okay? The 10 year old is still innocent in all likelihood. These are these, one sees boobs, the other sees mom. Like these are different,

these are different kids in different worlds. So yeah, no, my 10 year old's not hanging out with a 13 year olds. You know, no chance. You know, you know, warns my cockles that my son still says, yay unironically.

I'll be like, we're gonna go do this today and be like, oh, yay. I'm like, good. I just want to, I want to put that yay in a time capsule. I just want to be,

I would have turned it into a salt to be able to snort it. I say, I say yay. In the right context, I say yay. You should see my family chat. My God.

With my parents, they're all yays. Yeah. They're all yays. But you know, I also call my dad gorgeous. We're a very special bunch. Yeah.

Is it yay or gay? Definitely gay. He picked up the phone. I had a call for my dad. And I said, hey, like, hi, beautiful. Hi. And my mom's like, it's me, mom. I'm like, oh, okay, hi.

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and you can at 30 making $150K a year, lose it. No, I'm kidding. Yeah, dude, this 96-year-old is trying to find his final match. Wow. Any ghost, sir, but it's because he's dead. No. Because he's dead.

Yeah. Because he's dead. Yeah. He hasn't replied to me in like two weeks. Yeah, he's a rotting corpse. Oh my God. Okay. So, first of all, you're never too old to be in love, Josh.

At 96, are you, if final love, you'd have to be falling in love with somebody who's equal or older, I'd think. Because if you go for somebody too young, it's really sad for them. Like, you're just going to die. And then they have that grief, you know? So like at 96, if you're finding new love, I think you need to find new love with a 96-year-old. If she's 80 and she's still got 15 good years and you got one left, that's not nice to her. I'm happy you wanted to find love late. But let her be with somebody younger who's got some years.

Yeah, but what about a trade? You know what I'm saying? Like, he's 96, she's 26. and he's like, listen, what do I got? Nine to 24 months. And I'll give you, yeah, I'll leave you a nice severance when I, when I leave here. That's a completely different story. I'm so in favor of that.

You do what you want to do. She does what she wants to do. Right. No question. Different strokes for different folks. But he said the last love. I think that's more under the category of last lust. I could be wrong.

When I think love, I think closer and age. things that, I don't know, you have things in common. Am I being lame about it? All right, fine. Finding your last love at 96, it's like dying sober. Like, you don't get a gold star. It's like, if I'm on my lap, if it's over for me and you're still, you know, ambulatory and crushing it and playing golf every day, you come to my bedside and you,

you push hard on that morphine drip. Hard, Ben. Okay. I want it all. Okay. I want a wave. I want to wave. I'll make you, I'll make you very comfortable.

I'll make sure you're very comfortable. You're going to, I will. I'm going to, you know, Barbados to go golfing tomorrow. I'd be like, I'm in Barbados right here, you know. And that's where you're going to stay forever. The waves are warm, Benjamin. You're ever going to be forever being Barbados. I'm like, hello.

You're like, that's why you fucking racist. I'd be like, Josh is racist in his 80s. for sure. I don't know what age where all of a sudden all of your inner mind, your warning signals. I'm excited for those to wear off. Because I know in there your brain goes, this is funny,

don't say it, this is funny, don't say it. I can't wait for this is funny. Let a rip. It's bad. I'm dealing with it with my mother right now and it's horrible. Well,

it's time for a reckoning about the mental health of reality. TV stars. The Post reports. It's a disaster of biblical proportions. Taylor, Frankie Paul, who rose to fame amid a soft swinging scandal on TikTok and a starring role on the secret lives of Mormon wives has become the talk of the town for all the wrong reasons. Hulu halted production on season five of Salt Lake Secret Lives of Mormon women and 18. old season 22 of The Bachelorette, which was set to premiere this past Sunday with Paul as she led following new alarming details of her toxic relationship with her baby daddy, Dakota Mortensen.

Well, this is old news, but it's certainly true. Oh, in her statement last week addressing the chaos, Paul shared that she's been silently suffering extensive mental and physical abuse for years. Sheesh. Very sad. I was going to say it is old news, but the headline I liked, which is probably why you picked the article. And I do think it's worth talking about. What is worth fame, Josh?

Everything. Sorry. Okay. So then there's that. Because I feel like everybody that goes on reality TV that was married is divorced. Totally. Like, was it worth it? Like, I don't, like, unless you really didn't like each other, but I just, you look at a show like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

season one they were all married whatever season we're in they're all divorced right all of them and it's like okay you traded your life your children your family for bizarre like like like

z list fame it's not even like like you traded it for a brand deal you traded it for like a skin care company that will probably fail and it's just so interesting to me that people keep falling for it. Like even in these newer shows,

the summer houses, like more divorce. It's just divorce, divorce, divorce, divorce, divorce, divorce. Because it's hard enough to be in a relationship when you're not on camera. Like, you're being scrutinized on camera or off camera. You're being scrutinized on camera,

not only by your partner or producers, but by the entire world. And the entire world is DMing you and getting in your head and telling you what you did wrong and how bad you are or gassing you up that you're great. and your partner's terrible. Like, I can't even imagine.

So yeah, I don't, that's what I thought the article was originally going to get at. Like, it's crazy out there. To be in reality TV, it's crazy. And you're right, too, in the sense of, and this applies to acting. Like, I've seen so many people over the years get one, two, three jobs, right? And they were like, I'm a star. Or like, I am a professional actor who doesn't have to worry anymore. And I'm like, good luck.

And it's the same thing, right? Like, if the great Kristen Doty had done one or two, years of Vanderpump rules and then the show ended or she moved on or whatever like she's not she wouldn't be the star that she is today it's just like it doesn't define you you just did it right but she's withstood the test of time for 15 plus years on TV she's got something right I've been kicking around for 25 years you can't get rid of me like something I do works right all through the ups and down for this crazy business but I think what you're saying is so right is like people make it on one season of a reality show

where they get one job and they're like this is me now this defines me I am a celebrity TV personality I'm like no hon you're not and like and it will ruin you to think you are I'm fairly certain that most celebrities real celebrities that you go

up to would never call themselves a celebrity like that's not like a like it's like what do you do oh I I act or I do this like it's only when you it's only when you reach like an insecure non-famous person and you ask them who they are or what they do and they'd tell you that they're famous.

Sure. You know what I mean? Like otherwise if you were really famous, you wouldn't need to tell people. Yeah. No, obviously you wouldn't need to tell people. I mean, look, like even, but like Stamos knows that he's a celebrity, but he doesn't like, he has a desire to try to live as normally as possible. But also when he says something like, I can't go there, you kind of go, yeah, you can't.

You're stamos. And you realize that. Yeah. I mean, part of being very, very famous is also, like, if you're trying to lead a normal life, you can't go everywhere. Right. He's not going to be like, oh, yeah, let's go to the L.A. County Fair without a hat and sunglasses and maybe like a security guard.

Like, he can't do that. People would lose their minds. It just won't be fun for him. Right. It just won't be fun for him. You want a moron mail, Josh? Oh, God, I'd love it. More on mail.

I have a good one. I have a really good one. This is more... I think it's something that we'll enjoy talking about. Moron Mail, Arizona, how to style my office. From Luke Lewis. Good guys. Arizona, moron Luke here.

My wife and I are building a custom home for our family, which includes our three kids, eight years old, six years old, four years old. I work from home. So a pivotal part of this build was my office. It's the first time. I'm having a true office. I always had to share it with either our primary bedroom, a kid's bedroom, the living room, or even our garage for a time period. So this is a really big deal for me. How should I design and decorate this space? My first inclination is to design it like an old money library with dark walls, bookshelves, and a cozy leather couch where one could sit and smoke a fat Cuban cigar. Even though I don't smoke, I'm Mormon. Other option is a crisp,

minimalist light color theme that would look good on my Zoom calls. Ideas Luke in Arizona. Now, first of all, I loved this because it was well written and it was different and it was provocative. How should Luke Josh design his home office? What would you do if you were Luke? Being a Mormon, I think that he should make it in the style of a dirty soda shop when you would find in Provo, Utah.

So maybe surround himself with fun syrups and different fountain drinks so he can make himself a soda whenever he wants. That's fun and very Mormon. I think that's very fun and very Mormon. I think that the twist on your old money Cuban cigar, you don't smoke, so I don't know if I'd make it that, is really

make it inspired by Ralph Lauren Josh. I think you make it that wood, you pick the plaids, you make it nice. If that's you, I think it's a beautiful office, a beautiful look. If you're into sports, I think you could also throw up a bunch of memorabilia. You make it like a little sporting room, sort of a man

cave slash office. Oh, I hate that. He doesn't like it, but maybe he's, maybe he's a fan, Josh. You never know. Is it a big BYU fan? BYU. But isn't men, is it, is it, is it, it, is it,ick to have sporting stuff up as a grown-up?

I think, I think so. I think so, too. I think that, and I'm trying to think if I've seen it when I've been an adult, I recall I was like 12 or 13 years old. We went to one of my parents' friends' house and the guy had just like a memorabilia room. But I guess as a kid, that was the coolest fucking room in the world.

Would it be cool as an adult? No. No. No. I just wonder like, what if it was like, what if it was like Mickey Mantle and Michael Jordan and Derek Jeter and like the elites of the elite? There's no cool way to do it.

It's only cool if you are so super rich that you have Muhammad Ali's robe that he wore at the thrill and Manila. You're basically turning it into a museum. It's only cool if it can be museum-esque. Yeah, if you have the same Michael Jordan leaping from the free throw line to dunk photo that everyone has, even if it's sealed and with an autograph, that's not cool. I completely agree with you.

Claudia, probably eight to 10 years ago for a birthday of mine, maybe it was even more 10 years ago plus, got me a space jam poster. That's cool. I loved it. It never got put up. There was nowhere to ever put it. And it was just given to my nephew.

It's gone. Because I can't put it up now. And he'll love it. But, yeah. No, you're right. I have, I had so much memorabilia. I don't know where it is, but none of it was even good. I probably have a Walt Frazier basketball.

Who doesn't? I also don't, let's say, and I know you've met him before, see you had a great photo with Jalen Brunson, right? Yes, yes. Does that photo belong in the common areas of your home? Certainly not. I agree. I totally agree.

Certainly not. I guess where does that photo belong? That could be in an office. if you really love it? Yeah. No, I definitely, I recall, again, a friend of mine growing up, I'd go into his house and there was a picture, and I think it applies to politicians too. There was a picture of his parents, Bill and Hillary, like next to the family photos.

I just don't think it, I just don't think it belongs there. I'm not saying it's not a photo that you should be proud of. That belongs in an office. I think the photo with Jalen Brunson belongs in an office. But yeah, common areas. I think it's family only. If that. If that.

If that. I feel that deeply. Like when you walk in and it looks like a museum of their family, I go like, I don't. No. No, there's nothing cringier than as you climb the stairs, so do the photos in the same direction. Like the kids, the kids. No. No.

No. No. No. No. By the way, why are you mucking up your house? So ugly. But also like when it's over the mantle, like it's a, uh, an 18 by 24 size, you know, freaking canvas print.

And you know, and you could tell that it was like one of these mass produced prints. And you're all in. Awful. You're, you're all in one color. Uh, at the ranch. Awful. Stop it. It's funny.

It really does come down to money though. If I walked into your house and you had a hand. Something that was hand painted by a fabulous artist of you and your family. No problem here. Even creepier, in my opinion. You got an oil painting of you and your family? That's not. Creepy for sure.

But I'd still let it fly because it's sick. Yeah, creepy. And those kids, they had a terrible day. Oh, my God. No, thanks. Nightmare. That's what kills me too. It's like that family who's like, for sure.

sure from Westchester, but they took one trip to Wyoming once and they're all in cowboy hats at the ranch and I'm like, I was like, your son is an autoimmune disease. He's never been to a ranch. Stop fucking lying. What are you even

talking about? Your son gets the mumps. Yeah. He can't exist outside. Your daughter has lupus, okay? Shout out Lupus. I have dear family It's a tough thing It's a tough thing

So sorry Yeah Do you have a Do you have a Do you have a What are your nuts Yes Our Woody You Nuts

Moment of the week Are our gripes With people Places But also Things And my What Dian Nets

Moment of the week Is I have one Oh This is Sort of hard for me Hey How are you

You remember me? What are you nuts? You'd know. You'd know. Don't ask. It's not nice. It's not nice. If I didn't go, ah, and I'm like, huh?

I don't remember. And it's a bad line of communication. Just accept I don't remember and go, Jim. And I'll go, ah, Jim, Jimmy. I don't remember. What are you nuts? So nuts. It happened to my mom last night at this concert.

this woman walked up to her, she's like, it's me. My mom's like, yeah, it's me. It's not nice. It makes the other person feel like shit. Right. They didn't remember. It's nothing personal.

Just you don't have to, the first interaction, by the way, if they don't remember, you probably even seen each other in 10 years. And you're not that close. And certainly, the first interaction back

doesn't need to make them feel like shit, Josh. Right? I don't need it. My Woody Nuts moment, I have two. The first is, I, the same exactly way that I feel about, you go to a comedy show and you have all of this stress and pressure.

They're like, what's your name? I'm like, Ben, what do you do? Oh, I told them exactly what I do. Why not just say Adam? Why don't we have more fun, Josh, with our Starbucks names? Why don't we? Why is it so serious? Why is the first name, last name?

What is this? Why aren't I Oscar? Right? I'll know that I'm Oscar. This is the probability of somebody else being an Oscar. Oscar S? Why not? Why can't we have more fun?

We're so serious. I know on that drink behind you, that says Josh Peck, doesn't it? Should Josh pee? That's what I'm saying. Why not have more fun, Josh? I think it's nuts. I think it's nuts that we don't have more fun.

In case that one wasn't good enough for you, I have another one. Oh, wow. I have another one. Okay? I have a second one. I was driving in the HOV lane yesterday. It said, Josh, the HOV lane between 8 a.m. and noon.

For one person, right, Josh? That's the HOV lane. But I was driving in there as one singular poppy. You know why I was comfortable doing that? Because you had a car seat in the back seat. Because I had a fucking car seat in the back seat. I never realized it. You think there's a baby in there.

It's me and the baby. That's two. That's the HOV. It's not necessarily a what are you nuts. It's actually, it's just a revelation. It's a revelation. Josh. This is a genius move.

I guess the Woody and Nuts is not doing it. Not doing it. Sitting in traffic. No, get in the fucking HOV lane. Okay. Get in the lane. Agreed.

Oh, and speaking of cars before we go, see what I got here. See what this keys to? I can't see. What kind of car is that? For a week, it's for a Ford Bronco Raptor.

2026, baby. Wait, you got pulled over in the Ford Bronco? Yeah. I didn't even know where the paperwork was. Sorry, Ford. It wasn't even a license plate. It was just a dealer on it.

I was begging to get pulled over in that thing. That's so fun. What color? It's white. It's six. Wow. Send me a picture. Dude,

shout on my boy Daniel Peek at Ford. Daniel, love you. But, dude. DP. Bro. This thing is wild. Max.

thinks I'm the coolest. And my wife and I, as we're like taking off in our Ford Raptors, she goes, you're both nerds. And I was like, be quiet, babe. Just be happy for us. Oh, folks. If this episode isn't five stars, what are you nuts? Listen to us forever. It's your podcast. Watch us on Spotify. Spotify video. Of course, watch it on YouTube too. I want you watching us on YouTube, watching us on Spotify and listening. But I'm just saying the Spotify video, in case you haven't checked it out, it's super convenient. It's in your app. It's right there.

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