Good Guys - Gone Catfishin' with Nev Schulman

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Mazel morons! This week, we welcome the one and only Catfish legend Nev Schulman. Things get Jewish real fast—Ben shares his Yeshiva past, Nev talks South Williamsburg Shabbat sirens, and Josh becomes the honorary rabbi of Brentwood. The dads go deep on fatherhood, night nurses, and the secret jealousy no one tells you about. Then: Catfish confessions. Nev opens up about the origins of the show, the wildest stories that never made it to air, and how AI might just ruin online love forever. Plus, we weigh in on Caitlin Clark vs. the WNBA, butt-scrunch legging TikToks, and Josh’s most embarrassing airport pickup moment. Shabbat shalom indeed, otherwise what are ya nuts?! Leave us a voicemail here! Follow us on Instagram and TikTok!  Sponsors: Learn more at Discover.com/creditcard Head to Dentek.com to find your local retailer and shop all of Dentek's products, sold at Target, Walgreens, Amazon and Walmart. Go to www.vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using code GOODGUYS for 30% off 1 month of membership - the code will also allow you to skip the vivrelle waitlist. Get results you can run your fingers through! For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code GOODGUYS10  If you're ready to build your own business - whether it's merch, products, or the next best idea - get on Shopify.com/goodguys and make it happen! Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And if you don't give us five stars, what are you nuts? What are you nuts? Scared we're the good guys. They're not the great guys. We're just so good or good guys. Mazzle morons, welcome back to the good guys podcast. We are here with a man. You know him from catfish.

You know him from your life. You've been in our lives for decades now. It's Neve Shulman or, as his friends call him, Yan'ev. Yeah, that's actually, it always catches me off guard because once in a while I'll be out somewhere and someone will say, hey, so good to see you. and they'll introduce me or say hello and then they'll be talking and they'll they'll say like, oh yeah, to their significant another. This is Yeneve. Like we went to high school together or middle school and I forget that I used to be Yeneve.

That was my name on, you know, my name tags and then my homework until like kind of until officially like high school when people started just calling me Neve. But yeah, I was Yenieve for my most of my life. Beautiful name, huh then? It's gorgeous. You know, Josh was once Josh Peckerman. Okay. Yeshua Peckerman.

Yeah. He was. He anglicized. He did. So, Neve, you Neve, Peck, Peckerman. I'm the only one who kept so fair. I can't escape. It's softer, though, which is pretty...

It is. It's pretty passable. A thousand percent. It's passable. They're like, showman, Peckerman, get in line. Sofer, you get a pass. Yeah, I'm fine. Until they see me.

Until they see me. You know, I think this is going to be a super Jewish-centric episode. Ben went to Yeshiva. Oh, wow. He's basically a rabbi. Wow. I did. I did.

Is that university age, right? Like after high school? It's just college. Yeah, I honestly, I went there because they had a 99% acceptance rate into dental school. They got all their kids into dental school. And once upon a time, I wanted to be a dentist. Wow. Don't ask me why, but I did.

And so I went there. and it was lovely. It was on 185th in Amsterdam. Wow. And even I know you're from the city. I am. The girls school, 34th in Park. Tell me how that's fair.

That's, yeah, that's a hike up town, for sure. I'm just saying if you could pick between Washington Heights or flat iron, it's not really a fair trade. But I went to yes, Shiva. So you're from the city? You live in L.A. now or you live in the city? I still live in New York City. In fact, I live in Williamsburg.

now. Oh, lovely. Technically, South Williamsburg, you know, I'm really very close to the measles. And, um, wow. Leave, we don't need that being spread around on the side. Is that it? Are the Jews spreading measles or the Orthodox? Yeah, they don't, they don't Vax. Really? Yeah. They are anti-Vex. You didn't know that? This episode is going to set our whole people back. Let's move on to Iran. Let's just go straight to, let's just go straight to the war in Iran then. Let's keep it late. What's the deal? So you're by the Orthodox. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm close enough that Friday's at sunset, I hear the wailing siren. Do you guys know about this?

Yes. You know. Yeah. So every Friday, half an hour before sunset, it sounds like we're being bombed. I mean, I don't understand why they can't choose a slightly nicer tone. But these, these like huge air sirens go off in South Williamsburg so that all of the Orthodox Jews know, you know, finish what you're doing and get home before the sunset. Which is, I like it as a reminder. It is very grounding.

Like, oh, yeah, it's Shabbat. But it is sort of alarming. It's not a particularly welcoming sound. And you can hear it across like all of Brooklyn. I mean, it's pretty wild. It's not the call to prayer. It's the call to rush. Yeah, exactly.

It's the call to quetch. The call to quench. But it does. It reminds me, which is nice. One thing in particular I love about Neve is he's just a super dad, which I look up to. Our friend Casey Nystatt loves being a dad. Ben is a new father to the beautiful Ruby five weeks old. Wow.

Yes. I want to share some dad tips, usher him into dadhood. You have a daughter. I have a son. So Ruben Ruby. Oh, okay. Ruben Ruby. Yeah.

Yeah. Definitely. Josh shouldn't tee that up. Sorry. Ruben Ruby. We went for the 1930s Ruby, when back when we used to Name our men, Rubin. I like that.

Thank you. And, yeah, look, it's been a dream. My wife and I have done it hand in hand. We didn't get a night nurse. Everybody's like, what are you nuts? And it's like, yeah, we're getting up together. We're doing it old school. We finally are getting a nurse.

I was going to say. I think, yes. We need a day nurse. The day is the time has come. Right, right, right. I'll tell you some things. I'll tell you some things that maybe other people won't or haven't. You're pretty much, well, you know,

you think you're probably doing a lot right now. And you are, I'm sure. He really is. Which is commendable. But I would say that typically, I haven't had three kids, like the first, you know, six to nine months, you kind of don't really know what to do. You're like, I can't really help with the baby that much. Like, I can hold him from time to time and burp him. And, you know, you can change diapers.

But like, 95% of the work is the mom, right? And so you end up feeling kind of like, I don't know, at least in my case, like not sure what to do with yourself. Like, you know, clean the dishes, whatever, but kind of just in the way. And so your job is really just to take care of your wife and just get her whatever she needs. So that you probably already figured that out. It's mostly intuitive.

What I think you probably don't know yet, unless, you know, you're different than me, which hopefully you are, I didn't feel much of a connection with my kids initially. You know, in the movies and media and generally, you know, there's this. this, I think, very romanticized experience that like the second you look into your child's eyes, your life changes and everything like sorts out and all the noise goes away and you realize the point of life. And like, I think that's bullshit. I looked at my kid who's like, wow, that's a cute baby. I love that baby. But like I don't, they're not, I don't know them. I don't, I haven't intimately been connected to them in my womb for the past nine months. So like,

it's just a cute baby. It took me like nine months to a year to start to actually feel like, oh, this thing is cool and likes me and cares about me. Because, you know, again, they only really care about their mom at the beginning. So don't feel weird or like there's some rush to like feel some connection with your kid. Sometimes it takes time. At least it does for me. Right. And I always sort of felt bad.

I was like, am I like a soulless ice-hearted person? They're like, no, it just takes a little bit longer with the dad. And then your connection starts to, I don't know, do you feel like this rings true at all? Or you're just a softer, sweeter, sweeter guy. I'm soft as cotton. You're more human than I am. But I also, when Ben and I talked about it, my kids were formula fed. So I got to really step up like and give her a break.

That's true. And I'm a big, if you can fit into my, how do I say it? Like, if you're down to clown in my style, we're good to go. And with a baby, they have to be. Right. So I would be like, baby. You train them. You and me, we would go on late night walk.

like eight o'clock at night around like the mean streets of Brentwood. And I'd be like, get in the stroller and I would cozy them up because my son was born at the end of December. And I'd thrown a podcast and I would just walk and get my steps and stare at this kid. And I was like, you and I are going to be just fine. Wow. Like, but it's all, it's all different. Yeah. It's all perfect.

I tell you what no one else told me before is I had no idea how difficult breastfeeding is. Oh my God. Ben. It's so wild. It's wild. I mean, all that I'll say, you're not a monster at all for what you're feeling. I did have a different experience. I think it's because my wife had a C-section.

I held him first. I saw him first. I was with him first. I looked at him. I'm like, holy smokes, you look just like me. And I had a deep emotional. It was crazy. Did you really feel that Ben, he looked just like you only because I feel babies don't look

like anything. Identical. No, I swear. I swear. But do you mean like you, like when you were? baby? Me when I was a baby. Right. Okay. Yes. Me when I was a baby. And I will say it's a unique experience that we've gone through. Josh and I have had completely different experiences, both amazing experiences. But I have, I have really been my wife's baby nurse completely by choice.

Right. But I hear the baby cry. I wake up. I pick up the baby. I change the baby. I hand it's my wife. She breast feeds. We watch Love Island, the best show in the world. And that happens every two hours for the last five months. So I do like, you have a little bit more of a connection. I have a little bit more of a connection, but I can absolutely understand why one wouldn't, if they weren't doing it like this. And I'm not even saying that I would recommend this. This is so fucking hard. And I don't want to. Now it sounds like I'm not. No, it doesn't. No, no, no. It doesn't. It's not kidding. Because I was there all the time doing all the stuff too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We did sleep. I did get to sleep through the night because we did have a night nurse.

But yeah, and no shame to that, each their own. Sure. Like, if I could do it again, I'm not saying, I probably would do that. Like, like, really, he doesn't know me. He can't even see. Right. Like, I love him endlessly, but he can't see past the nipple. That's one thing that you learn early on.

Same here. Yeah, I was just going to say. I will say that having had a daughter first, yeah. I felt immediately with my daughter, I was like, wow, this is amazing. this child is so cute and so lovely, and I was so excited to have her around. And also, you don't really think about children in this way, but they're basically roommates and, like, new friends.

Like, you make a friend that you get to hang out with and does whatever you want. So that was great. And then I had a son. Now, you started with a son, so I'm curious what your experience is, but I was surprised and somewhat, like, embarrassed by the jealousy I felt all of a sudden

that my wife was giving so much attention to another, guy. I was like, oh, there's a boy here now. Yeah. I was like, oh, I don't know how I feel about this guy getting like all my wife's attention. You need. Wow. No, I had only experienced the girl and I was like, oh, this is so cute. There's like another girl around. Like, yeah, of course they can be besties. And then I was like, oh, that's a son. And now my wife loves him and and our daughter. And there's almost no love left for me. I hate him. I hate him. I, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Mama's boy is a real thing. And they also, at least at this age, like, Like, he needs her scent, right?

So, like, I'll hold him. Right. And for the most part, he will cry when I hold him. There is nothing that I can do to calm him down. But the second he smells, Mama. Yeah, that's amazing. Oh, baby. He's, he's in heaven.

So, yeah, I get that for sure. But it also. My wife. I know, right? So I was walking down the street as I always do. Head in my phone. All of a sudden, I get tapped on the shoulder. Ben, I'm a huge fan.

Can we take a picture? I'm a huge fan. I think, wow, amazing. Like, of course we can take a picture. It made me feel special. That's all. Why do you want to take a picture with me? They said, no, I'm not a fan of you.

I'm a fan of your Discover card. Like, what do you mean you're a fan of my Discover card? What are you nuts? They said they saw me using my Discover card at my local Japanese grocery store. And they needed to take a picture with me because the Discover card is famous. It's accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. That percentage is based on the February 2025 Nielsen report. And all of a sudden, I felt incredibly famous all because of my Discover card.

I can't believe it. This person just wanted to take a picture with me because they saw me using my Discover card. It made me feel special. And when I tell you, folks, this caught me completely off guard. That said, while I have you, let's talk about Discover's cashback match. Discover will automatically double all the cashback you've earned on your credit card at the end of your first year.

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Whether you're single, cuffed up, or just here for the drama We're always here too Give it to you straight Let's talk Caitlin Clark. She's getting bullied and I'm not okay with it Yeah, I've sort of seen some of this basketball women's basketball stuff. Yeah. They're just beating. We've only seen it because they're beating the shit out of her on the court, Neve.

Like they're literally walking out to her. Poking her in the eye, kicking her in the shin. She falls to the floor. The WNBA is doing nothing because it's great for ratings. They have people watching games. Right. Like that's it. But it really, the WNBA is turning into the WWE whenever she's on the court.

They're beating the shit out of you. Yeah. WNBA. WNBA. They're beating the shit out of her. It's crazy. Do you see this recent thing that? happened a couple days ago?

Maybe not. She basically got poked in the eye and then as she was sort of like and you know there is a bit of like in soccer where you overreact to get the call. Absolutely.

But she is getting beaten up and then basically just got like bulldozed by another girl as she's reacting and she wound up getting a technical foul for it. The other girls did. Ben, am I missing?

Clark got the tea? Yeah. Because she reacted and kind of pushed someone off of her. No, I mean she literally she got poked in the eye. She's like nursing her eye all of a sudden this big girl runs up and just shoves her to the floor. Like whatever. She's, it's, it's, they got to do something here. I can't believe we're talking about the WNBA. That's my what are you nuts. I'm throwing it to the end.

But this is my point. And Olivia, please, because we're just three dumb, dumb men. So we need you to set us straight because we're idiots. Oh, Olivia. Oh, Olivia doesn't like the WNBA. That was my first dream. You see that, Ben? It was her first dream. You think she wants to. to be here with us, this sucks. Yeah, true. Damn it. She wants to be on some beauty podcast to listen about fucking eyeliner.

No. Sorry. But, okay, here's my question. Here, the biggest proponent, the biggest defender of Caitlin Clark right now is Dave Portnoy. Where is everyone? Where's like the people watching WMBA that aren't a bunch of dudes chatting who are like, yo, this is crazy. Like, coming out in support of Caitlin Clark or coming out in support of other players in the

WMBA. It's just weird that the biggest most vocal people are like dudes, especially guys like Portnoy. But don't you think if you wanted to look objectively at the league, you could find the same type of injuries being inflicted on any not in star athlete, but no one cares? I think normally yes, but they hate how good she is. Yeah, okay. So she's getting extra attention from the players. Right. Exactly. She's just getting like the LeBron attention. Yeah, that comes with the, you know, with a generational superstar. Agreed. Yes. Did people like LeBron or Kobe or Steph get beaten up like this as rookies? I don't remember specifically either, but I do know that you always have a target on your back.

The NBA typically protects its players. It's actually the opposite. Like a LeBron would get more foul calls from the refs because he's so good and they want to protect him. The WNBA is in a weird place where these women are literally making like 70 grand. And Caitlin Clark is making 10 million in endorsements. And they're jealous. Like that's what it is. Like they're,

we're seeing a paradigm shift in the sport live in real time and they fucking hate her. Like that's it. They're jealous and they hate her and they're taking it out on her on the court. Olivia, what's a rebuttal? Tell us how stupid we are, please. I don't know.

I'm just looking up right now like what some of the past like a Victor Wemondyama has experienced or like Luca. And it seems like it is something that happens pretty commonly with just people who are like at the top of their game coming into the league. There's like a little bit of hazing. a little bit of attention to, like, throw them off their game because they were so good for so long. But it is interesting to see, like, the lack of cultural commentary from, like, women. But also that might just be, like, the amount of women that watch basketball in general.

I don't know how high that number is. It's actually a great question. I don't know. Do more men watch the WNBA than women? I don't know. Like, what are the numbers? Can you get the stats on that? I'm on it.

Thanks, Olivia. Sheesh. It's crazy. It is crazy that this is where we landed. Yeah. I love it. And before we get into catfish, I should say, Neve, like I think everybody else in the world, I was a huge fan of that show.

Oh, thank you. It was awesome. And just like a genius concept ahead of its time. Loved it. But yes, I did put out an Instagram story and just ask people, have you ever been catfished, are you currently being catfished? And I got some interesting things. You want me to read a couple of them?

That's what we're doing. I'd love to. Is that cool? Sure. I mean, I feel like you are like, is there no greater expert in the world on this? And will you define catfish for anyone who doesn't exactly know? Catfish is a term now widely recognized to describe anyone who makes a fake profile on the internet, typically, but not always, but typically with the intention to ensnare someone into a romantic relationship.

At least that's sort of how we use it. But now the term gets used, you know, more widely to sort of just reference anybody online pretending to be something they're not, Which could also be a scammer or, you know, someone seeking revenge. And is this because catfishes change? No. Do they? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Hyenas have a pseudo penis. I'm sorry? Yeah, they have like a fake penis. The reason we called it. So the origin of the term catfish comes from the documentary catfish, which was about me, where I stumbled into a relationship on the internet with a large group of people.

a family and then ended up discovering that that family was actually all the creation of one person. Right. And in discovering that, we then met that one person's husband. And he, without realizing it, because we didn't expose her. We didn't tell him that she had done this. She had a story about who we were that he believed. And so we sort of let her have that and gave her the time and space to explain it to him separately after we left.

But he told this amazing story that he'd heard, I think, in Bible study about sailors, fishermen, who used to go across the, I think, Pacific Ocean from Alaska to China, and along the way they would catch cod, and they would store them living in the vats of these giant ships. And at some point, they discovered that because the cod were no longer in the wild, and they were limited in space, they would stop swimming around, and their muscle and flesh would sort of deteriorate, and they would become less delicious. Their flavor would diminish. And somebody had the good idea of putting some catfish in these vats with the cod to chase them around and keep them moving and keep them active. And he likened his wife to a catfish because she's interesting and unpredictable and keeps him on his toes.

And he thanked God for the catfish in life because without them life would be boring and dull. He so profoundly described her without even realizing just how accurate he was. and we were so moved by that that we called the documentary Catfish just sort of to highlight his beautiful description of her and people like her, not expecting that it would become a term

that people would use to call out liars on the internet. That was never our intention. It was sort of a beautiful nod to this woman. Yeah. But it became what it is. Wow.

Yeah. Oh, like, do you own that term? Like, how does that work? No, well, because the word is the word. I mean, it was already a word. There's a new definition in the dictionary because of us. But, no, you can't, I mean, we, you know, yeah, you can't trademark a word. So fascinating.

So it's, because you really, you created a word. I know it existed, but. A definition. Yeah. So you created a definition. And a doc and how many seasons, how many episodes of you basically helping people find their catfish? We started the show in 2012. And, you know, it's so funny.

I don't even know if it's technically over yet. There's been a lot of talk about them ordering another season. Oh, you mean, wait, Viacom doesn't. give straight answers my former boss. Also, it's been a weird year with CBS and this whole sale slash Trump so that everyone's kind of not sure what's happening. But if it's over, which it could be, we did nine seasons, but some of those seasons were like 100 episodes and they aired in like eight or 10 sections.

So the show came on and off the air like 30 times over the course of the last 13 years. and we made almost 300 episodes, I think. No one has that. Yeah. No one has done that. And they were hour long. Wow. That's a successful show, Ben.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah, I would love to have made it to 300. We're so close. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends at Shopify. Folks, we love Shopify here at the Good Guys podcast because Shopify makes your dreams come true. If you want to take a side hustle and turn it into reality, start making some stone cold cash. That's what Shopify is here for, folks. We decided on a whim, like everything else do we do,

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turn it into your real hustle. Well, there are some people that have left some, there's some pretty sketchy situation. So maybe if you do get green lit, you can go and help some of these people. Oh yeah, let's hear what your listeners have to say. Jacqueline said my mom is being catfished and has been giving away her life savings for the last decade and still thinks her boyfriend is coming. Well, she's love is love. Ten years never met him, giving away her life savings. So I guess we should, I should probably say this to Jacqueline on camera so that she can

show her mom, right? Yes. All right. I don't know your mom's name, but Jacqueline, Jacqueline's mom, really. Please stop giving money to this person. Not because they aren't lovely and I'm sure affectionate and supportive and there for you. which is important. But if you believe that this relationship is leading to something more,

and that's something more as an in-person physical relationship, and it hasn't happened yet, it's never going to happen. So unless you prefer to give your life savings to a stranger who's lying to you but makes you feel good versus your daughter and hopeful grandchildren, I would say you should just tell them, hey, I don't have any more money to give you and see what they say. And if they stop talking to you or start pressuring you to find more money to give them, that would probably indicate that that's really all thereafter.

This is why I give my money to OnlyFans, strangers that make you feel good. Yeah, I mean, or just play the lottery. You've had a better chance of hitting the jackpot with that. I'm just here thinking how much AI is about to catfish the fuck out of people. I can't even imagine. Like my dad, bless his heart turned 66 the other day. He'll, like he gets a text like, hey, your TD bank account needs $200 wire immediately and he wires and it's gone.

And like I just know what I'm sure like catfishing in the older community is probably even more than it is in younger. But with AI and being able to see a video of a person that you know actively telling you. It's crazy. Something it's really scary. It is. I think we should all be going to trade school because in a year or two, the only people with job. are going to be plumbers and carpenters and electricians. I mean, you don't even need to make this podcast anymore.

You could probably have AI make episodes for you. This podcast sucks. It would be better for sure if AI was doing it. There's going to need to be a Jewish trade school to really slowly indoctate these. Like, I thought I was supposed to be a doctor. You're like, well, my she, get out the ruler. get some PVC pipe. Yeah.

Is there a, what's the limit for someone denying that they will see you if you are in some side of online relationship? Like, do you give them a three month runway? Do you give them six months or like the first time they say no, do you go? I mean, look, obviously geographics play a big part. So if you happen to fall in love with someone who says or does live far away, that would delay, you know, the ease of meeting up in person to some extent. But I mean, you know, the problem is if you're a kid, if you're young, if you're a teenager or in your 20s and you don't have any disposable income and you're in school or you live at home or whatever, you just can't just up and go, right?

I get why some people really dive into these online relationships because it's fun and it feels good and someone cares about you and wants to give you attention and you wake up to a text from them and they say good night. It's like I get why these relationships feel important and people get very close because it's hard to find. find intimacy and trust these days. So I think for the genuine relationships that start where one person is deceptive, but not with the intention of deceiving, but because they created a profile because they were insecure or they were exploring their sexuality or their gender identity and all of a sudden they made a connection and then they don't expect it to get so intense and then it does. And it's like, oh, well, how do I now reveal that I'm not the person in those pictures or I'm actually transitioning or whatever. I get how those things happen. So if that's the case, and it is a genuine connection,

I can see why you will give a longer runway, because this person really is caring about you. They're not asking for money. They're not messing with you. They're genuinely, you know, in many cases, in love with you. So again, like, I don't discourage people from having online relationships that don't turn into physical ones because I think there's a lot you can get out of that. But if what you want is a physical relationship. And you're talking to this person for, you know, it's like you can't put hard, hard to put exact length on it. But like, I don't know.

I'm certainly a year. Yeah. You know, like, but it's also like if someone denies FaceTiming you more than once. Right. They're probably lying. Right. Right. Everyone can.

But again, if you're, if you're willing to forego face timing because it doesn't really matter and you're getting 90% of what a relationship should be anyway, then. great, enjoy it. Like, I tell everybody on the show before we really start, and it's not usually on camera, but sometimes I get, I think they put it in. I say, hey, like, if you're really happy with the relationship how it is, then tell me now, because like, there's a very low likelihood that at the end of this process, you're going to still have the relationship with this person that you have. And has anyone ever said yes? No, there, everybody wants to know the truth. And I always warn them. I'm like, hey, well, the truth is probably not going to be something you

like. And they're like, well, it doesn't matter the connection I have with this person is so deep. So even if they find out they're not who I think they are like, surely there'll still be some future. And unfortunately, there is almost never is because attraction does play a huge part. Also, mystery is, I think, you know, one of the greatest aphrodisiacs. Like the not knowing and the uncertainty is sexy and fun and exciting. And then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, never meet your heroes, right? Because they'll, they'll disappoint you in most. cases unless it's like Keanu Reeves or, you know. Is there an episode?

Yeah. Is there an episode of Riba? Is there an episode of Catfish that you can't or haven't aired? There were two, two episodes that didn't air. Same more. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, it's funny. And they didn't air because of like particularly crazy reasons.

Well, sort of. So, and honestly, one of them was probably my favorite, favorite hour of television ever. We helped this young man who lives with his parents in outside of Boston. like in like hard Massachusetts, you know, like if Mike's hard lemonade was a neighborhood, yeah, that's where these people live, okay? And, and the accent thick, you know, right, exactly, you got it. And he's mentally developmentally sort of challenged, but fully functional, super sweet kid, but, you know, like lives at home. He's taken care of by his family. He's probably in his late 20s, I don't know. And he had, he meets guys on, he's gay. And he's, he's gay. And he's

gay, which was already, like, surprising, like that this family is so, so loving and supportive of their gay son. Okay, but great. You know, I'm happy to have seen that. He meets guys on the internet. And he'd had a guy he'd met on the internet who had invited to come and stay with him without telling his parents. The guy showed up.

The parents were like, who the hell is this guy? Adam. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, oh, this is my boy. This is my, this is my boyfriend and I met three days ago and he's going to stay with us now. Yeah.

And they are so sweet. They're like, okay, fine, he can stay with you. But of course, he was just sort of. a freeloader and he was taking advantage of this poor sweet guy and he stayed there until they could finally kick him out a few weeks. So he's had experiences already where he got taken advantage of. He meets his guy online. He's clearly getting catfish. The profile shows a picture that's just like so ridiculously not a real person, I mean a real person, but like not the guy he's talking to. And we take him from Boston down to Orlando, which is where this guy is. And we end up meeting

the guy. And he's a lovely sweet guy. but he's a big guy, you know? And he works at Disney World. And he's, I don't know if he's been diagnosed or not, but he's also just like very childlike. And just they're so sweet. And the two of them, and the guy from Boston is so happy, doesn't care.

He doesn't fucking care. He just is so happy that this sweet man genuinely likes him and wants to hang out with him. And so he takes him to Disney World on this incredible date. I don't know where they went. We couldn't go with them to film, but they went. He took him. Josh Rosenzschingle.

they went to and they ended up having like a lovely weekend together and I don't know what ended up happening but you know the reality of them being together was was not in the cards but like it was so sweet and so heartwarming and I was so excited for the episode to air because it really showcased a side of you know people and this family and Boston like it just had a lot of interesting things in it and it worked out which almost never happens and I remember getting called in when we were filming one day and they were like hey we got bad news like the the Boston or Orlando episode, like, we can't air it. And I was like, why? Apparently, the young man who he'd helped from Boston, at some point after filming and before the episode would have aired, got arrested for public masturbation, like in some park. I don't know what happened. Who knows what had happened. But some legal thing happened.

And as a result, liability and the insurance of MTV was like, oh, we can't, we shouldn't air this because this guy. Anyway, so it just got like shelved. It was such a bummer. That took a weird turn. Yeah. I was here. I was here all the fields.

Disney World. They found each other. It's kind of the perfect ending. This is more, this is just like a sad one that I saw. This girl in my sorority was catfished by another girl in the sorority. So this is just mean girls catfishing. How often do you see that?

Like sometimes it's the sad story, a lonely person. And sometimes it's just like a fucking bitch. Yeah. There's definitely. It happens for sure. You know, people want to mess with their enemies. You know, we also have seen a lot of people who, and this is a really dark kind of subject,

but like people who are in relationships, presumably somewhat happy long-term relationships, but are suspicious that their significant other might or would pursue someone. So they make the fake someone. Oh, my God. And essentially, you know, entrap them to see if they'll respond to the DM. That's called 3D chess. Yeah, right. Yeah.

I mean, it's mostly women doing this, obviously. Josh George. We started with Caitlin Clark. We're ending with it. Josh has like been there, done that. Right. Who doesn't have a couple of VPN? But actually, we actually had an episode like that where two guys had been in relationship for a long time.

And then one of them, but their relationship was sort of always on and off again. And I guess during one of the off again, one of the guys made a profile to sort of see what his ex or sort of still roommate. but whatever was up to and ended up weirdly like re-falling in love with him through the fake profile and learning a lot about him and like seeing a side of him that he hadn't ever really seen and then wanting to be with him but like not knowing how to say well actually that's been me the whole time it's just like people get themselves into very interesting emotional spots yeah with the internet it's also do you think there's a part of it where people feel as long as i'm not acting out physically this is not the best

but like I think people give themselves a lot more leniency when it's just a text. Yeah, it's not real life. It's like, you know, it's just online. So it doesn't, it doesn't really affect anybody, which is obviously wrong. But let's, yeah. So. I think I was catfished as a young boy. Tell. Do you tell? What I remember is someone appeared in my life over text that was this girl that we would just like, we had somehow met. I think she worked at like MTV, she said. And I was. worked for MTV and so it was like we had met in an event and we were like friendly and we would chat and then she was just cool and we would like chat chat chat and then eventually like it got like slightly

flirtatious but nothing like crazy and I would bring up like I'm gonna she lived in New York and I would be like I'm going to be in the city like we should get a coffee or whatever and somehow it like never worked out and then we talked on the phone a couple times and then I remember specifically once I was like, oh, I'm going to be in the city and like, you know, I want to smoke some pot. Like I don't know anyone like in the city or whatever. And she was like, oh, my friend might can meet up with you at a drugstore somewhere. And like I met up with her friend who was like a lovely looking person who did not look anything like the pictures that we had exchanged, which were just like profile photos, nothing crazy. and I was like, oh, that had to be her.

Like, I think. Right. I imagine. Yeah. But, like, seem like someone who was much more insecure. But there was no chemistry. No. Right.

And just like a really nice person. And I was like, oh, you're so interested in French. Yeah. And she's like, here. And I was like, okay, here's 20 bucks. Thanks. And like, we just chatted for a few minutes. And then I kind of like pushed to see her again.

I was like, we should really, I'm in the city. Like, there's no reason why we shouldn't hang out. And then that sort of ended it. Wow. Your catfish was a drug dealer. Yeah. Best kind. And you really lucked out.

Yeah. That's nice. But it was like a year. You still have their info? Why you need it? It's legal now. It's like my catfish is like a Chinese food delivery guy. I'm so innocent, guys.

What do you think of that? Probably, right? I was cat-bushed. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. I wonder how they got in touch with you initially. But you had been famous already.

So. I think she worked. I think she worked like was a publicist. Right. Got your info somehow. Had some kind of thing, but she was just more behind the scenes like, I don't know, in a tertiary way. Yeah. Weird, right?

It's just weird that I don't have like a strong memory of it. No, I know. I know how those memories kind of get jumbled. Yeah. Yeah. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends at Nutrafol. Folks, look, I'm in my 30s. It is what it is.

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and then you want to get one of your nuts? Yeah, I'll remember it, though. Okay. Because it's about bikes. I'll remember it. Sure. Okay, this one is going to be, I think I had a good one. Oh, this is a good one.

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That was very brief. Cha, girl. Hey, good guys. Major moron here. It's a fandom, moron. I just need to share this experience I had. This isn't like, oh, what are you nuts? But, like, it's teetering.

So I dated this guy for three years. And early on in the relationship, I went through his phone, not good, whatever. That's not what I'm calling it about. But I find my way in his TikTok likes. When I tell you, it was like straight up thousands of videos of only ass, no breaks. It was, it was shocking. It was so insane.

And then I'm like, okay, wow, I saw that. Obviously, got to go in for more. What else did I find in his YouTube? Amazon butt scrunch, legging, try on. Hall. Like, I will never forget that search for the rest of my life. He was doing three at the time. I don't know why saying his age made this feel mean, but yeah, he did cheat on me a lot and it was a terrible relationship. But we'd just love to hear your guys' thoughts on this, like those searches. Is that good on him for being creative? Or is that

just like fucking crazy? I don't know. But yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Okay, well, I think the timing of this is important because didn't Google buy YouTube? Oh, yeah. Right. Years ago, yeah. Right. So he may have been searching to buy those leggings as a gift.

And then. Very good. Yeah. Because he probably saw an ad for him because God knows we've all seen the ads. And he's like, oh, should I get a pair of those for my girlfriend? Sure. But he also sounds like he probably was looking at a video. I like the hypothetical though.

Yeah. It's possible that he was just looking to buy. You never know. Because you don't want to buy them from the ads. No. Because it's always, you always get scammed. Talk about,

you know, scamming. Sure. Right. I made that mistake once on TikTok from the TikTok shop. What a, what a dumpster fire. That sort of business is.

Me too. Just garbage. Have you ever bought one of those cameos from the African village? I have it. But. I bought one. You did? I wanted to wish my wife a happy birthday.

That's funny. That's funny. That's funny. So I, yeah, I paid them $49. Never came. Oh.

It never came? No, Josh. Good. You don't deserve that money. I guess not. Exploiting these poor people. What do you mean exploiting? This is a business.

It's great. They just, all they have to say is we wish you. Wait, so you tell you think that whole thing in the scam or some people get them. No, I think 100% of it is a scam. Wow.

I do. I like it all about. I've thought about ordering one of those two because they are kind of funny They are. They're great. They're great. You're like, I want a village in Rwanda to wish my way to happy birthday. Why not? She loved it. Ruby. Yeah, never came. All right. Well, and the TikTok stuff, that was pretty weird. The, the butt stuff. I will say, though, TikTok is my sort of safe space. Because, like, I don't, I mean, I'm on there and I use it, but like, I, yeah, I like to, yeah, I use it sometimes to like more, like. Provocative. Yeah. But I mean, if you're, if you need to have a fake account if you're just going to be, even if you're a civilian, not a public person. Right. I guess that's true. And you're just using it to be turned on by those kind of accounts, which there are many. Like, because people I stop. There are a couple people which I know they'll be hurt to find out that I unfollowed them. And when they bring it up, I will say it's because you liked some wild conspiracy bullshit.

Can you see my likes? I think they've just removed it actually, but up into a certain point, like, they liked some wild, violent conspiracy theory bullshit. I'm like, out. Like, and I'll tell that. I'll be like, I can see that. And you have like millions of followers. You're crazy. They'll be like like all that hate on your private account, will you?

I didn't know that you could see that. That's crazy. I just assumed the algorithm is, it's very gentle, right? So if he stops liking pictures of butts, he'll never see him again. So he was probably just trying to protect his algorithm. That's why he was liking so many butts. Askerhythm, you know what I said? Stupid.

That's going to be my rap name. Asgarism. Should we get to Woody a Nuts? Yes. All right. So our What Do You Nuts moment of the week are gripes with people places and things, both big and small, whatever, sticking in your craw, anything that makes you say, Woody and Nuts, take your time.

Ben and I'll go first. You have time to think. Go for it, Ben. Your terrible e-bike story, thank God you're okay, made me think that my number one, Whatia Nuts, living in New York is the city bike and the accessibility to said city bike. I understand as somebody who uses it to get to work, right? You probably own your bike, you own your helmet. We should have bike lanes so that you can use it as a mode of transportation.

But tourists coming here, downloading city bike, paying $3 and then riding. without a helmet and getting hit by a car because they don't know how to ride. And some of these are electric. Like you're giving motorcycles to like this person from the Netherlands that's never ridden a bike before. And they're now in Manhattan. Actually, the Netherlands has more cyclists than drivers. Yeah, that's a bad example. Okay. To the throw in a different random, I just picked a random place. In fact, since I happen to know about this, let me, let me share some knowledge. Tell me. In the Netherlands, specifically Amsterdam, which is the highest density cyclist city in the world. They don't wear helmets. And the reason they don't is because

there is such a culture of cycling there that the thought that you need to wear a helmet to be protected goes against the cultural agreement that cyclists need to be taken seriously and cars have to look out for, like it reinforces the importance of everybody else being aware of and watching out for cyclists, which is wild. And they have very, very few accidents. What I picked the Netherlands. You could have picked anywhere. I literally just, I picked that out of nowhere.

These Australians, these Russians, anybody. Yeah, that's better. Just blanket tourists coming here who can't ride a bike. Having their first experience, no helmet doing it in New York City is a wadia nuts. That's my wadian. My witty and nuts is, I was recently doing this gig in Utah for a couple of days. And I walk out of the airport and they're nice enough to send me a driver. and it was so lovely.

There's a poster board-sized sign that says Josh Peck. And around the driver are about 12 kids. Oh, my God. And the age from like 14, like 21. They're like, we saw the sign. Yeah. I'm like, so did the astronauts. I was like, look at the guy.

I said, that sign is too big. Like, I didn't even say hello. I was like, it's too big. It's too big. I'm so embarrassed. Like, please. And he's like, I don't know what to do with it now. Like, when am I going to throw it away?

I'm like, yeah, throw it away. I was like, never again do that. I was like, please, what are you nuts? That is absolutely your worst nightmare. I'm so sorry that happened. I was so uncomfortable. He was such a nice guy. He's like, I don't know, they gave me this sign.

I'm like, I get it, but like, it looks like you're at a pep rally, my G. Let's get rid of that. I feel like I have so many things on a day-to-day basis. Oh, I'll do this one. I'm very sensitive to lighting. If I walk into your house and you have a light bulb that is like fluorescent, if you have like a bright white, cold, like office style light bulb in your bedside table lamp, what are you nuts?

Do you know how unsexy and just, it just makes me, I hate, I immediately hate you. If you, if you're not sensitive to the fact that you have a choice in the temperature of your light bulb, You don't exist. I love it. So good. This is excellent. And it just shows right into your brain. Yeah.

What you see. It's very, yes, that's a great what are you nuts. Yeah. Because like it's so it's your life. This is your bedroom. This is where you're spending time in your home and you want, you want this cold, harsh lighting. No, don't choose such a harsh bulb. Yeah.

Maybe they didn't know. You should educate them. They can go to Home Depot and they can see the different types of bulbs. If you don't have the awareness to recognize the difference of like, oh, I'm in this restaurant, the lighting is so soft and warm. And then you go home and you turn your lights on, you're like, this is fine. And it's terrible garbage lighting. What are you nuts? Yeah.

What are you? That's cool. Because all I'm thinking is, oh, good. I'm in your room. Well, I'm just like, oh, good. I'm in someone's room. I'm immediately leaving. Yeah.

What are you nuts? Neve, what else? Anything to plug? Anything going on? anything our listeners should know about. Oh, well, funny enough, you mentioned cycling because I'm actually just started training for a triathlon. So I'm going to soon be one of those guys in the cycling gear.

Wow, okay. I need a bike. So if anyone watching wants to sponsor me for my first half Iron Man, I need a bike. Do you drink, Neve alcohol? Yeah. Okay, Olivia, send Neve home with some Spritz society. Maybe we'll sponsor. I own an alcohol company.

If you're looking for that. Great. I love a sprits. Perhaps we would. Oh, I see it now. On the table there. Is it like an apparel sprits, basically? Yeah, they're wine-based sparkling cocktails.

We have a variety of flavors. I love that. I'm actually an investor in a canned wine company already. Which one? Graham and Fisk. It used to be called man can. I think it might still be called man can. They're out of Cleveland.

I'll send you some. You don't have to get the ones here. But we'll sponsor your cycle. So I'm doing that. And actually, I'm doing that with my friend who's blind. Speaking of people, the only people who would be acceptable to have bad lighting. And I recently went to his house And half of the light bulbs don't work

Or they like flicker And he's like I don't care That's so literal That's funny But he's a We met because I guided him In the New York City Marathon

And then we became friends And I've guided him in the Boston Marathon And New York City Marathon again And he has done triathlons Which is wild And I was like I want to do that with you So we're going to do a half iron man this fall.

Wow. Tethered. Yeah, which is crazy. So we swim like with a tether between our legs and then we get on a tandem bicycle and he rides behind me and then we run. Wow. Wow. It's pretty nuts.

Yeah. Are you filming that? Yeah. I'm going to be making a doc about it. So cool. Yeah. Love that. Wow.

So that's where I'm really into working with disabled athletes now in running and now, I guess, other sports. Love it. It's awesome. Me too. Wow. sponsor this man. He's a good person. We will. All right. Well, look out for Neve and Mangoolew. Comes to the Jones Beach Half Iron Man on September if you want to cheer me on.

Yeah. Love it. Yeah. A BMX. Get him a BMX sponsorship. I think we already have the tandem bike. Oh, but I need a bike to train on, right. Yeah, Mongoos. Easy. Love it. And folks, this episode, five stars. Otherwise, what are you nuts? Listen to us wherever you get your podcast. Watch us on YouTube. Share our clips, Instagram and TikTok. Mondays and Thursdays, folks, the great Neves Shulman. We'll see you next time. Shabbat Shalom. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.