Good Guys - Good Guys Go Grammys

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Mazel morons! It’s Topical Thursday and we’re diving straight into the 2026 Grammys - the performances, the shockers, the discourse, and the moments that made us text each other in all caps. We break down everything from the new artist lineup to the most viral performances, who crushed it, who confused us, and why this year’s Grammys felt especially unhinged. Plus: Heated debates about Tyler The Creator, Billie Eilish’s speech, Addison Rae’s performance, Olivia Dean’s breakout, and why Leon Thomas might’ve saved the night. And of course… a few detours into Todd Chrisley, camp trauma, iguana attacks, and whether Alex Honnold should be allowed near a skyscraper. What are ya nuts?! Leave us a voicemail here! Follow us on Instagram and TikTok!  Sponsors: Redefine your standard of health. Secure 20% off your order and begin your intentional wellness journey today at Piquelife.com/goodguys.  Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode. Produced by Dear Media. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Monsomorans, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm in the middle of DMing Todd Crisley to come on the Good Guys. Oh, that would be a great guest. I, sorry, Chrisley knows best. What a show. What a show. A landmark. And because this is topical Thursdays, Josh, we're not going to talk about it yet.

I just want everybody to know I text this. We have a nice little, I don't know if you guys know this, we have a little group chat going between me, Josh, Paige, and Claudia. and we call it Ozmpic Friends. Ozen friends. I thought of it. And I wrote to them, I don't know, two days ago. And I was like, no homo, but I am so unbelievably invested in this season of Real Housewives, Beverly Hills.

Like, I am a super fan, a super fan. And it's topical Thursdays. But Chrisley knows best, Josh. Chrisley knows best. It should be on that. Mount Rushmore. It was gone too soon. What a show.

Spectacular. It was so, you know what I've been re-investigating to is Gene Simmons family jewels? Do you remember that reality show? I do. I do. What a theme song, first of all. Gene Simmons family jewels. So good.

So good. It's so good and it's horrible because it is the most produced fake storyline show ever. which is why I love it. Like, Gene literally breaks down in the middle of the desert. I'm like, but you're being filmed. He's like screaming in the middle of the street. Like, what am I going to do? And I'm like, ask the crew of 50 next to you.

Ask if you can get in their car. There's something to do. It's very simple. Ask Transpo. Like, I'm sure they have a car that works. Yeah, you're good, Gene. You're good. Okay.

But God. Oh, my God. God be a king on this show. Would any other show appreciate Todd Crisly more than this show? I don't think so. No, no, no. We would welcome Todd in with open arms, okay? We'd bring him into the fold.

We'd lightly touch on some fraud and embezzlement. Light. Light, Todd. We'd dance. Most of the time, we'd schmooze. That's it. We'd schmose. I'd say, Todd with the bod, what was it like in the shoe?

You know what I mean? The hole, you know? Yeah. The prison hole, not the other holes you're probably into. Sorry. What was it like, Todd? What was it like, okay? Being the king of reality TV.

Now, disgraced. I don't know, Josh. I think that I think it would be wonderful. I think we both need to be in person with him. I think we get a little handsy. It would be an honor, Mr. Chris. And I've just recently seen all of these social clips of him on other pods. And they were like talking about him in prison and how he was like,

getting food brought in for him because I guess in federal prison you can have food brought in. And he said, well, you know, at first I would eat my culvers. He's like, and I would enjoy my culvers. I had never had it before then. And I haven't had it since I got out. And then, you know, Mondays and Thursdays, that was my trick for life. He goes, and one time I did Olive Garden and I just, that was not for me. I did not like it.

And I was like, you seem like a great time. We could eat, my boy. I'm laughing because you sound like a black woman, but it's also so close to Todd Crisley. I'm now realizing that the Venn diagram of Todd Crisley and black women are really tight. They're like, it's him. It's him.

He's the best. If we went to prison, Josh, we would just have Bruce catering nonstop. Every day I'd get a call. There's Penaola vodka waiting for you. outside your cell. There's chicken cutlets. There's matzo ball soup.

There's Gifilta, Josh. Gifilta. Bruce should be catering for us nonstop. But prison is not other than like the forced, you know, canoodling that I wouldn't, would be less interested in. It's not a threat to guys like you and I, because I love ramen. I like a grilled cheese made with an iron. And I love self-reflection.

And I love time to myself. and I love, like, can you imagine? Like, honestly, I don't think it would be that bad. Again, agreed. I don't want any forced canoodling. That's a problem. I also don't want to get beat up, okay? That's also a problem.

But like a nice white collar, we get to work on our tennis stroke, we get to read a little, we get to do push-ups, we come out. I certainly am coming out stronger than I am now. I got nothing else to do, okay? Or maybe, do you think I'd get fatter in prison? No. Does anybody come out of prison fatter than when they went in? I don't know. I went to camp and came back fatter and everyone was surprised. They were like, no one comes home from camp fatter.

It depends. It depends. It can happen, Josh. It can happen. Don't be down on yourself. It can absolutely happen. One summer I lost weight, the rest of the summers I gained weight. Because look, you have these kids. They just smuggled in. Lord knows how many snickers and twicks. And it's like that scene in heavy weights with the kids. taking the salamis off his back. That's real.

At the mess hall, we had all you can have bug juice dog. You could fill up your own fruit punch. So that was already liquid sugar going in my veins. And then our Spanish foreign exchange camper, Borja, he would get the ale packages from his parents. I'd be like, Borja, are we having chamon? Like, this is amazing. My favorite was the kids that brought hot pots

and would literally make Wacky Mac in the back. Like you are literally, there's a full open kitchen where you are making me craft macaroni and cheese in the middle of the night. How am I supposed to, of course I'm going to gain weight. Of course. My mom only let me have diet snapple. They have regular snapple in the bunk, Josh.

You know what a guy like me does with regular peach snapple, regular lemon? I'm doomed. Was your camp, was, were the bunks of your camp a proper? cabin. Uh, yes, a proper cabin. Small though. Uh, 14 kids in a bunk, maybe more than that.

Uh, yeah, no, 12 to 14. So, uh, maybe seven or eight bunk beds. You'd have the, uh, counselors beds that were not bunk beds in the front. You'd walk through in the back, there was the bathroom that I can still smell because you'd just like pee straight on the wood floor. Right. And that was the, that was, it wasn't any, there were no frills. Like that, I think that's where I grew a dependency for my fan.

Like for the longest time, I needed that like white noise and fan right in my face. And that was, if I didn't have my fan in camp, these bunks aren't air conditioned. They're hot as hell. Totally. We had a, I went to Camp Sloan in Connecticut for one year and then the next year I went for four days and went home. But I went when I was nine. And I remember I love my counselor, which I've always. always made men my father figure, and I did this to our counselor Namdi from Africa, and he was just

a dream. He was a sweetheart, and he believed in me. But as I said, some of my bunkmates, Borja, Simon, Henry, Kevin. But we were on literally, in old school, we were on a wood platform that was probably raised half a foot to like 10 inches. And then we had the frame of a cabin, but it was open like there were no walls right so there was just an a frame and then there was a canvas it was canvas over it so it was like one of those like mobile tents that you would see in the desert but it was just canvas walls that we would roll up when we woke up we would roll it up strap them up and then it was just an open air thing during the day and then at night we could close them so there wouldn't be any bugs but you still had to sleep in mosquito nets oh my god sounds like hell

Get it. What the hell is that? Shout out Cape Sloan. I went to a very like not, I went to a very crunchy camp. This was not like, there are camps with air conditioners and there are camps with like all, all those frills. I thought I went to a no frills camp. No, no walls and mosquito nets is extra no frills. And honestly, it sounds amazing.

Like when you're in that, it's so fun. It's just fun to be a kid. It's fun not to have phones. It's fun to listen to music. You wake up. I'm sure you had the same thing. Nomdi probably played his playlist, which eventually became your playlist. You're waking up to him just like pushing the beats.

And you're like, oh, what's that? And then it ends up on your mixtape or whatever. And like they never wanted to let me play Miley Cyrus, which is what I was into then. They were like, no, we're listening to Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm like, but seven things I hate about you by Miley Cyrus just dropped and it's great. You don't want to listen to that? You don't want that smoke? They're like, no, dude.

Like chili peppers. is it. It was chili peppers. And maybe, and what's his name? And Talib Kweil, Kowil, he's great. Yeah, pretty close, right? Pretty close. Talqqq Ali is quietly one of the, like, greatest rappers ever. Just to get by. Just to get by.

Just to get by. Bam, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Just to get by. Just to get by. So good. That's like a classic. For me, that that's camp. You know who.

song is camp. You know who made that beat? Oh, let me guess. I don't know. This morning, I woke up feeling brand new. Kanye? Of course. Oh, it's so good. That's why it's good.

My eyes and my lows. And my soul and my go just to stop smoking. I stop drinking. Talib. Man, I've been thinking. Yeah. You should go reinvestigate Talib Kali and formerly most deaf now Yassin Bay.

Talib Kuali. Talib Kali, yeah. Got it. Okay, I had my inflection wrong. I had Talib Kuali, but it's Talib, Talib Kuali. Yeah. Quail? Like quail eggs?

Kali. There's three guys outside of a bodega wearing fitted Yankee caps in Brooklyn right now who are like, ow. Yeah, I'm hurting. I'm hurting them. I'm hurting them. I'm sorry. I know I'm causing you physical pain and I apologize. I apologize.

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slash good guys. Commit to intentional help. That's P-I-Q-U-E-Life.com slash good guys. Peeklife.com slash good guys. Speaking of oldies, Josh, I'm watching the Grammys last night. By the way, this is Topical Thursdays, folks. We get topical. Grammys.

I was watching the Grammys last night, and they did the whole new artist thing, which I like where you get to hear a little piece of each of the new artists. let me just go on record and say Addison Ray stinks. Oh, really? That was, yeah. Oh, my God. I didn't see.

Awful. Okay. Then there was one more and I was like, this is new music. This is what we have, this complete drek. And then all of a sudden, I noticed that face. And I noticed that man. I'm like, wow, he sounds amazing. And it was Andre from victorious.

And I was like, I know that face from when I watched that. So Leon. Leon is incredible. Amazing. Incredible. He's what turned the entire night around when it came to new music because then it was just bangor after banger after banger. You had what's his name.

He used to be a Viner YouTuber. Alex Warren. He's so much more than that now, but that's in my head what I think of. Was he the guy who did the weird copy of David Dobrick? Yes. Yes. But now he's an enormous, amazing singer. Okay.

But the girl who won, Olivia Dean, Josh. She's killer. Killer. Killer. I was like looking at her. I'm like, you kind of sound like, and I love that kind of music, like Nora Jones. It was like, oh my God, it's Nora Jones reincarnated, even though I don't think she's dead. It's new Nora, new Nora Jones.

I loved her. I thought Olivia Dean was fantastic. And she just like, was also kind of like Audrey Hepernie. Like, it was just class. I mean, shout out Addison Ray. all I've ever seen of her I've liked. But I didn't see her perform. I didn't see her perform.

So I don't know. I have only ever heard nice things of her as a person. But Olivia D, it's so funny you bring that up because, okay, let's jump around for a second. First of all, Leon has quietly been one of the great producers of pop music, but specifically like rap, R&B

for like almost a decade now. And to see him really come into his own as like a solo artist, you should watch his, PR Tiny Desk. Baby, I'm a dog. I'm a mud. Oh, man, I love it.

I love it. He's really good. He's really good. He's been good. They're all, I, you know, I give like, he's really good. Liz Gillies from that show has an incredible voice. Obviously, Ariana, Victoria. Like, they're all, you know, they were quite the group.

Matt, super talented people. But, okay, it's so funny because Paige and I get into it. about Olivia Dean and I'll tell you why. I'm all, I like Olivia Dean very much and I think her music is amazing. I think I just didn't get into it as much because her song got co-opted by to me basic, every basic girl on my timeline over the summer showing videos of their trips to Lisbon with their boyfriend. And I just associated easy to love with people I hate.

And so I didn't get fully. in and now, but she's incredible. Like, and I'm so glad to hear that you're a fan and I'm so happy for her. I get that. There's nothing worse than when a very basic group of people hijacks a song and then all of a sudden you're like, is it cool anymore? She's, she's super cool. Like if you watch, go back and watch because I know you think I'm being harsh.

Watch Addison Ray's two-minute performance and watch Olivia Dean's two-minute performance. And then let me know. And then let me know, Josh. Okay. There's a reason they put Addison Ray first out of eight in the, Olivia Dean last eight out of eight. Well, I mean, I've seen, I think I saw her perform at BBC One, which I don't know if you watch any of those on YouTube, Ben, but they're like, like, for me, I'd love to see these people

that I like on either Tiny Desk or BBC One because it forces them to do more of an acoustic live thing and they get to really enjoy their voice and them, like, without any effects or whatnot. But you know who my new obsession is and Paige makes fun of me for it? She's like, you're not super into Olivia Dean, but you're into this girl. And I'm like, yeah, Paige. And you just don't get it.

And it's Siena Spiro. You heard of this? No, I don't know her. She's amazing. She's next. Okay, I'm in. You ready for this? You want to hear the qualifications besides being incredibly talented?

British. Siena Spiro. Okay, great. British. Yiddish. Really? Oh, yeah. Wow.

Oh, yeah. Wow. We claim it. Can I make a start? Can I just, when we talk about a Jewish, when we talk about Jewish excellence, can I just go, we claim it and make a story, David? Yes. Yes. I love it.

She's unreal. She performed at the, she got a standing ovation on Fallon a few weeks ago. She's obviously taken over TikTok. And she performed at the blue note in Hollywood. over a week ago, which I wanted to go see her. But I want to go see her. She's going to be at the Trubidor in March. She's the next one.

Shout out Sienis Spiro, big fan. Take that page. Why don't you go get a podcast and you can talk about Olivia Dean, Paige? No, I love you. Shout out to those of them. Queens, Queens, Queens. We are lucky to have wonderful music. They're incredible.

I also, we can't mention Queens and not talk about, I don't know how she didn't win anything. Sabrina Carpenter. but every time I listen to her and every time I watch her perform, I'm just like, you are, you are badass, badass. She is. She is. And I turn to Claudia and it's funny.

I think I'm just like morphing into my wife slowly. I was like, she has the career that Olivia Rodriguez wishes she has. But you're the biggest Olivia fan. I know, but she's got to put out new music. Pump it out. Okay, there's no new music. And when there's no new music, in this climate of Josh, we need music and music and music.

and music and music. You forget. So yeah, I loved Olivia Rodriguez when she was pumping out the tunes. But now it's Sabrina Carpenter. I'm not trying to say that there's only room for one, but it kind of feels like there is. So I'm looking forward to the fistfight that goes between the two of them. But yeah, Sabrina Carpenter's fantastic. And we have a shared love of Miss Lady Gaga. Amazing. Amazing. And it's funny. I spoke about this on the podcast when I went to see her live in concert that she, I guess she was filming for her Netflix special or whatever they were doing on the tour and they performed abracadabra four straight times for for camera. And so I had this song in my head.

I'm like, stop it, stop it. And then of course, she performed it. That said, it was like I was listening to it for the first time. She is just so talented, so theatrical, like thinks about. the performance and the art just as much as she does the vocals. I want to hear your opinion on this because I feel like we differ on this. That's my personal problem with Tyler, the creator. I see his stuff, and I think it's masterful.

But I can't get behind the music. I just don't think it's music. I watch it and it looks like theater. Like, I don't know if you saw his performance last night. Super cool. Just to me, not music. But Lady Gaga is able to do both. She does the theater.

Maybe not to the level of Tyler of the Creator where he's like it's crazy what he does. But she's able to mesh just like this demonic, crazy, sick twisted theater with sick vocals. And Tyler the Creator, I just, I feel like he doesn't do the vocal part when I see him perform. I was once where you were, Ben. By the way, I like that. So me, I'm going to turn it to the Tyler, the creator's number one fan. You will. Tell me why.

Tell me why. I was to once where you were about eight years ago. I was in the car with the great Jordan Rock, Chris Rock's younger brother, great comedian actor. And we were driving. And I said to him, I said, I like Tyler the creator, but where are the bangers? Where are the hits? Yeah. And he said, you just, you don't get it yet.

And he said, his albums will take you on a journey. and it's even bigger than the music. It's the world that he creates. But to your point, I will send you an NPR tiny desk of him performing, which is spectacular, live, he's playing piano. I mean, he's beyond. And there's some really good hits, some really catchy shit.

But in general, he's like he's a true tastemaker, like from the fashion to the music to the attitude, like the overall thing that he's giving us is such a gift. But I, and I know it's easy to say that and be like, right, right, right, right, but the music's not as strong. I'll give you, I'll give you five songs that I think you'll love. Send me the tiny desk. And I'm just envisioning just like a little desk like this big.

And it's just like a little person, just a little desk playing. Tyler the Creator. No, but BBC Radio One, I know from when I used to go deep in house. that's why I know those. Like I'd listen to BBC Radio 1. Alesso at Tomorrowland. Like that's like that's why I know that.

But no, I don't know Tiny Desk. So I'm excited for you to send it to me. Oh my God, dude. NPR Tiny Desk. It's so many people you love. NPR Tiny Desk. It's in D.C. It's at the NPR offices.

And they have the biggest people of the day. And back when come and perform in this little office space, like in the NPR office. Oh, wow. Famously, like Mac Miller did one like a year before. he passed away. And it's like one of like, if you were ever on the fence about Mac Miller,

like that's what introduced me because I was like, whoa, like this kid is a true musical genius. And I've never been on the fence about him. He's sick. Just unbelievable. Sick.

But, but so Jewish? Excellence. He is. Malcolm. He is too. Oh my God. You didn't know?

No, Malcolm Milovich. I didn't know. I keep good tabs on our people. My wife. I can't stand it. I lead with it. Good, as you should. I love you, Paige.

I must be insufferable. No. I'm so lucky that she stands me. Oh, she's the best, too. Tyler, the Creator, though. Is he not built for the Grammys then? Is he not built to perform at the Grammys? I didn't see.

I didn't watch it. Okay, so what you need to watch is Addison Ray, Olivia Dean, and Tyler, the Creator. Because Tyler, again, I'm going to say it. unbelievable art. I'm watching it. I'm like, this is an artist at work. This is the creative director of Louis Vuitton for a reason.

I get it. I get it. I thought Farrell was the creative director. He's the creative director of someone. Is he not of Louis Vuitton? I thought it was that, but I want to fact check that. Probably something else like French couture. Who is Tyler the creator, the creative director of?

I'm sure it's something so cool. were the creative directors of DXL? I'm not sure. I couldn't find it fast enough. But yeah, that's probably, he's definitely the creative director of something. You should be the creative director of Rochester Big and Tall. Yes, yes.

I should be the creative director of Rochester Big and Tall. Yes. That'd be so hot. Oh my God, we do so good with it, Josh. We'd kill it. Okay? You need to come and do it with me. It'll be great.

So you take over and you have this big fancy fashion show, but you have to, You have to make the runway shorter because of how big the models are. We have to bring in cement for the floor. The models are on scooters. Oh, my God. And now Ralph can be seen in a three-piece suit and the squirrel lark. I love the way he's matched his bow tie to his wheels.

And he's wearing the maroon diabetes shoes. Sporting an Ozzypic pen, Ralph, is looking just amazing in his new balance extra wise. That would be so good. Oh, I love it. We should just do that with AI. Can't AI make that? Like, can't they, like, show us what that would look like? I hate it.

I hate AI. What, did you see this thing over the weekend? apparently like AI computers or like AI technology like got together without humans and like made their own social network or something complaining about humans. Did you see this? No. We have to look up the story. It's it was like a very, very scary AI social network. And then we can, since we were talking about OZM friends and see like here's the problem with me.

And I think it's a nice thing, but it can become a defect, assets, becoming defects, the poisons in the dose. I get very passionate about things that I want to share with people that I think are important and that I think that I might have access to that others don't, right? Like certain movies, certain TV shows. So now I want to send you 10 tiny desks because I want to share with you this amazing thing. I think we should talk on air that the wonderful Claudia Osri, your queen, her and I are in a little bit of a feud right now about our boy Alex Arnold and her watching the documentary Free Solo, which I can't get over that she won't watch. And it makes me really upset. You know why she won't watch it? Why? Because you want her to. Right. Like if she stumbled upon it by herself, she'd watch it for sure. But like, no, she's not. No, she's not. Cheers. No, she's not the type like, you got to watch this. She's like, do I?

Right. That's just, that's just her. That's just her. But it also was really funny. She was, I was driving and she was, you and her were just like texting back and forth. And she would like say something. She's like, I know this is going to really upset it. Good for her. It was really funny. But yeah, she, she just, she just, she just. She just. We watched it. I gave you all my stuff. And then you educated me on him and all the stuff that he's done before this. But we're just like watching it. We're just like your wife is there and you have a child at home and what's going on? Okay.

So let's get into that debate because I think it's fascinating, right? Because Alex Honnold, who climbed the tower in Taipei recently on Netflix, free climbed it without any ropes or backup, did a documentary called Free Solo in 2018 that won the, doc, or maybe earlier than that, but one best documentary for free soloing El Capitan in Yosemite, which is maybe one of the greatest physical feats to ever happen. So let me ask you this, because you bring up the wife and kid who, by the way, if you watch the doc, you realize that the wife 100% knew what she was getting into and knew because they

meet through the dock and knew who she was marrying. This is not like a new interest of his. I assume they had, I don't know. Let's just assume that it wasn't a complete conspiracy that we landed on the moon and act like we did. Okay, cool. Yeah, we did. We did for sure. And that Stanley Kubrick didn't direct it in a sound stage.

Anyway, you are the spouse and the child of Neil Armstrong of Buzz Altered. Yes. Do you say, how dare you go up to the moon, Neil Armstrong? It's an interesting comparison. To me, you do everything you can to test your spaceship. God forbid something happens. You have precautions in place. If the oxygen drops out, it's like on a plane, right?

You lose oxygen, that thing, oxygen falls in the ceiling. And you put on your mask. Redundancies. And to me, watching Alex Honnold for the first time, it felt like he intentionally didn't have any of those. If he was climbing the building without, like with a little bungee cord or something, if there was something in place,

God forbid he slips, it would feel a little bit closer, I think, to that comparison of going to the moon. I don't think that they would go to the moon if, if none of those what-ifs were taken, into account. Does that make sense?

Like, I get what you're saying, though. And I do still think that Alex and all of his achievements should be celebrated for being somebody sick. But I don't know. Some things are bigger than your wife and kids. I think. So then why do you have them? Because I'm not him. I'm not great. I'm not that level of great.

Let me give it. It's not like I obsessed on this all weekend. What about Tom Brady? Actually, let's not even be, let's not even say Tom Brady, right? Who's like one of the greatest or the greatest ever. Let's say you are a professional football player or hockey player, which have the highest incidence of CTE. You're a professional football player, who's good, not great,

but maybe you'll have like a five to 10 year career and make some good money. They all have 10 kids. You are almost guaranteed CT. Almost guaranteed it. Is it selfish of you that you may in your 40s or 50s shut down and not be able to be there for your family? I think that it's selfish of a football player in their prime who's really, really busy or any type of professional athlete. I think you should have kids after you've played. I think that if Tom Brady, for example,

doesn't have enough time to see his kids in a meaningful way until he's out of the league, I do think, and it's, again, by the way, it's totally their choice. This is just an outsider's view. CTE doesn't develop till after. So remember that too. So if you're going to have kids till later.

Yeah, no, no, by the way, I think it's, I think it's, that's a, that's a tough one because you, it's important to be a provider and make a living, and this is what they're incredible. right so without without that their children wouldn't have have money uh but yeah i think i think it's i think it's a little bit selfish to be not a quarterback i think like your your chances of cTE are lower but yeah i think that like alignmen yeah it's it's it's a good question i don't know if it's selfish in the same way but yeah i i do think that uh i do think that you want to be present for

your children and show up in the best way possible. Of course. Of course. It's tough. It's tough. It's why I, and I hope you do this with Ruby, it's like why my kids will, if humans leave this earth, my kids will watch it. If there is every rocket launch, if there is ever a feat of human greatness where we are pushing ourselves and our ability in which to grow as human beings. I want my kids to watch because these are the things that I think push us as a human race going to the moon, doing what Alex Honnold did, being this level of great. And I think

there are rare occasions, one in a million, maybe one in a billion, let's call it, or one in 10 million, 100 million of people who put that before their family. And by the way, as we know, people put you know, stuff before their family that are all the time. So much less beneficial for the world. Yeah, the guy at 7-Eleven puts things before his family too. Of course. I'm not saying that he's the only person who, like other people are, other people put things before their family.

I watch him and I just, I think to myself on two sides of it. One, why have a child if you could die today? like how like how much emotional wreckage does that cause for the kid? And then the other thing that I think when I think about Alex Honnold, to be totally honest, is everyone that you're talking about, every single legendary pusher of greatness is an aspirational figure, inspires people to want to do that. He shouldn't be inspiring anybody to want to do the things that he's doing

if he's truly a one of one. But they're not, he's not, he's not inspiring people to free solo. He's inspiring people to climb. But what he's really inspiring people to do is to be the best, to be great and attain greatness. And look, here's the next example, right? Because again, it's all about higher calling, right?

Because you could say it about every firefighter and police officer, right? Sure. They put on that uniform and they are putting something bigger than their family first. But they believe that what they're doing is virtuous. And I think for someone like Alex Honnold, it's virtuous. I think it benefits a human race more than if he was only a father privately. Yeah, I think I disagree with you on the comparison of the firefighter or the police officer because they're doing something for, in my opinion, something actually for others.

I get your perspective that Alex is doing something for others by pushing us forward. I just don't see it in the same way. I respect it, but I just, I, I don't, I don't watch that and, and feel like I needed, I needed that. I just, I just don't. I think too, I'm in an age of,

and I know we talked about this over text, but like, in an age of TikTok stars, in an age of, I have such a resentment against that show traitors and how bad it is, I can't get over it. Like when this is the major focus of 90% of the world, I think these outliers who are like,

fuck that noise, you're all being hypnotized by this thing that's loosely entertaining, but literally a waste of your time. I'm willing to go out there and climb the high heights and be great. I go, I get excited about. Like, that's what I want to share with my kids

because I think the majority of people are watching mediocre, people be mediocre for tens of thousands of hours. And I think it hurts us long term. So that I agree with. It's legendary. It was not only was it legendary entertainment, but it was a,

it was a legendary move to be the best at something. And not a reality star or junk TV or all of that. It's the same exact way, though, that I feel about sports in general. So I just don't think that Steph Curry has the same chances of dying. From the viewer's point of view. Totally, totally different. One to me that is totally fine and not selfish to your children.

It just feels to me like at any moment he could slip. And I know you've told me he can't. I know you've told me nothing can happen. It's just watching him scale Taipei. I'm like you have a child at home. And what if you get, I don't know, anything can happen. You're scaling a building with nothing.

It could happen. But if you are in the NFL today, you will almost surely have CTE and be living with a deficit in 20 years. Like almost guaranteed. So by the way, so I'm down to say that those positions that are sure to get CTE, which are typically linemen bashing their heads against each other or a running back is an incredibly selfish position to play

if you plan on having a family. And then, but then we're saying hockey, huge incident rates of concussion, some soccer players who are doing headers, all of MMA, all of combat sports, again, I just think it's a slippery slope to start condensing people trying to do the rare things that most of the human race can accomplish. because there's an inherent danger in all of it.

But you can have that inherent danger and not have children. But then the football players will never have them because, again, it doesn't come to a way there. I, yeah, I, I, I, I hear you. I think that there's, I think that there is a stark difference between climbing a building with no ropes and, and, and, and, and playing football and getting CTE. Some of the CTE is horrible, for sure. Not all of it is, I shouldn't have children. That said, for the, for the sake of this conversation, I would argue that anything like that

where you need to put yourself first, yourself first, your children can wait. And if you have such bad CTE that you're going to have children and you can't be present for them, unless your wife really wants them, then you're having them for her. But in Alex Honnold's situation, if he dies, it's, you know, I just, I don't think they're apples to apples, but for the sake of the conversation, I don't think that they should have children. He even, it's so funny, because him being so great, he addressed this question. He was asked by a reporter. And he literally said, well, like, you know, his wife, he's like, my wife and my kid are well taken care of if I'm not here. And honestly, she's four. So I think this would be much less traumatic than you're making it out to be.

Like, she wouldn't remember me. He's like, she'd get over it quickly. Like, I was like, Yes. Yeah, he's just a different breed. Yeah. He's just, I get it. And again, just I think a breed that probably whatever. I hear you. I hear you.

Even if you went through the list of dangerous jobs, right? We're not going to get crab, Ben. That means crab fishermen can't have kids. But they have to do it to work. This is different. Like those jobs, you could say coal mining. If we really want to do this, they had to mine. of course they're going to get the black lung and die.

But they had to work. They had to make a living. Obviously a guy's fucking genius is Alex Honol who could figure out. Like he's obviously a genius mathematician, uh, physicist. Like in order to understand, take into account wind, conditions, timing, he's not just physical. He is mentally a genius too. Obviously, he could have done anything. He could have made money in anything.

The coal miner couldn't. they're coal miners. I don't know. I don't know if, look, I don't see Alex Honnold working well with a boss. I don't see. No, he'd be his own boss. Where's the spreadsheets, Alex? And he'd be like, what are spreadsheets?

And why do they exist? He feels, he would have figured it out, Josh. I don't know. Maybe this is it. This is his, because remember, it's a physical gift too. It's funny you talk about coal mining because you really send me up beautifully here. What do you know about nuclear energy? Tell me.

please tell me. I'll tell you in the next episode. This is all gotten a little bit too long-winded. Should we get to some stories or more on mail? I have a story for you, Josh. It's an old story, but I have a story for you, okay? Are you ready for this? First and foremost, I'm still in Florida.

We're hanging out. We're having a great time. It's cold as fuck, okay? What does that mean? Yesterday was 23. That's really cold for Florida. 23 degrees Fahrenheit? Yes.

Yes. Yes. And it woke up, yes. And it woke up with a real feel of like 13 yesterday. Really cold. Aren't you in shorts right now? No. I'm in a sweatshirt and pants. Are you, is it part of the polar vortex that the northeast is getting?

It must have been delayed because last week, everybody got snow and dumped on. Florida was like 60s and we're like, ha, missed us. And now it's just, it's cold. Wow. But I was on a call this morning. And the guy I was on a call with is like, did you, did you see any of the iguanas on the ground? I'm like, what do you mean iguanas on the ground? He's like, iguanas in the heat live in the trees.

But they're warm blooded. And so when the temperature drops below, they literally fall from the trees and they look dead on the ground. You mean cold blood? They're not dead. What did I say? Warm blooded? Yeah. Cold budded.

They drop from the trees, hit the ground and they look dead. But they're not. dead. They're just, like, they're just frozen and movementless. But the second the temperature goes back up, they're fine, they're alive, they're grooving. And he said, do you remember that story of the guy who took frozen iguanas and put him in his car? I'm like, what? Ready for this? Yeah. This is in 2020. Here's the title. Florida man fills car with frozen iguanas. they wake up let me get to the meat of the article

that's nuts in an NPR statement the host talked sorry this can be your buddy oh man man filled up his car with frozen iguanas

he was bringing them in because their meat apparently is a delicacy for this guy whatever and while in the car they all thought out because the temperature rose attacked him, he crashed and died. Good. Good.

He gathered, I think, a hundred iguanas. Can you imagine, is there a bigger nightmare in your eyes that being in a car with what you think are a hundred dead frozen iguanas? And they all wake up while you're driving. That's nuts. Yikes. Nightmare fuel. I was like, oh. So yeah, I don't know if that's topical Thursdays,

considering that happened in 2020, but we're doing our thing. And you know their little mouths are like rubies and Myers, just like, teethless little. I hope they're teethless. Aguannas are like the least threatening, but still most scary.

They look like little dinosaurs. They're spooky. Fuck that. People who have those iguanas are like, oh, this is my bearded dragon. I'm like, brother, fucking get a new hobby. Freak.

Yeah, definitely. Who keeps that as a pet. A freak. A complete freak. Freaks. Absolute freaks. Well, should we close Topical Thursday on a happy note and talk about the Epstein file drop? No.

I think we should. If you really want to. Here's what I'll lead with and then feel free to like, you know, bring us down. If you think you out there. If you have any level of political hierarchy, superiority, my side's better. No, my side's better. My side. My side.

They're both fucking dirty. Dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty. This is the biggest takeaway from the Epstein Files. They're all guilty. They're all to blame. We're not safe anywhere. Thank you. Facts. Facts. And they want to distract you. Say more.

This has been going on for a very long time. And I just feel like it always gets hot when we need something to distract us from the other things going on. I don't know what's going on. Right. I don't know what's going on. I know that whenever I hear about the Epstein files, I have a visceral reaction because this should have been taken care of. We've had them. It's done. It should be done. no more, we found this, we found this. Didn't you find it like five fucking years ago? Hasn't he been dead forever? Did he kill himself? Did he not? It's been happening forever, okay? And the reason it won't go away is because it's a distraction.

And I don't know what it's distracting us from. I know that whenever I hear anything, I think it's a distraction. Any time that you hear anything, there's a reason you heard it, right? That's at least the way that my brain works. It's like, oh, you're telling me that you're going to buy Greenland. Why? Why do I know that? Why didn't you just buy it? Why didn't you just work that out behind the scenes?

Right. Are you trying to tell me that because something else is happening that I should actually be paying attention to? Yeah, like maybe you're really buying Iceland. I don't know what's happening. Fucking think, Ben. I'm just saying if we're playing a game of Scrabble, I'm not telling you the pieces I need. Right. Okay.

I'm not telling you I need an A to complete my word. Okay. Otherwise, you hold the A. I'm trying to buy Greenland. Please. Please. It's messed up, man. But here's like the worst part of it is seeing these supposed, you know, brilliant, highest of high, high society people, you know, so wealthy, so educated.

Their emails are a joke. It's like, like literally they're writing him going, hey, had fun in our, in quote, party last night. I'm like, dog, why don't you give yourself away? Like, these are clearly people who never text. Like, I don't write anything on text message and I wouldn't want the whole world to see because

why would you put anything in writing, especially something so devious and horrible? Nuts. Completely insane. Completely insane. Wow. Can we also, while we're topical and while we went here, can we just quickly

talk a little bit about the Grammys and this virtue signaling. Yes, but can I close with this? Have you thought about what Epstein's Island would be if it was ran by women? Home Goods Island. Okay, go. Home Goods is so good.

Shout out all those places. Home Goods. T.J. Max. Marshals. Yesterday I went to the rack, Josh. I went to the fucking rack. Nordstrom rack. This place is sweet. Nordy rack.

Okay? Unbelievable. All that I want to say about the Grammys is first and foremost, because I already went there with Addison Ray. Sorry, Addison. You're probably a lovely girl. Shout out.

Please come on the pod. We love you. Yeah, but the music's no good. She's not coming on the pod, Josh. Sorry. I've burned that French. You know what else isn't coming on the pod? Trevor Noah, who is so not funny, he's so not funny.

Way before, I just want to clarify here, way before he made his Trump jokes, way before he made anything. During the Grammys, he was not funny from the get. Everything I've ever seen him do, Trevor Noah is not funny. That's just like the first statement. He's so political all. which I want to watch the Grammys to listen to music. I totally understand you having a huge platform and you want to go up there and you want to make the most of it.

So go up there and make the most of it. I don't know if you heard any of these speeches or you didn't. Billy Eilish's speech was a crime and she's standing there with her pin when she could be saying so much more about ice. You have something to say about ice? Say it. Don't just wear these stupid fucking pins.

Everybody knows that last year there was a group of people that got together and they said, wear this free Palestine pin. Now it's where this ice out pin. It's like, I'm not saying that you can't have an opinion. It's just these, it's so thoughtless. It's so brainless. And then you get up there and you just say divisive shit

that just like gets you collapse in a room of just, just people that are so stuck in their bubble that aren't thinking about anybody else. Like they're just, they're only thinking of their circumstance. It's Billy Eilish with her $200 million in her security and her access and her, it just, it drives me up a wall. And the proper way to talk about it is if you go and you look up Bad Bunny's speech, he also spoke about ICE. He said, lead with love, not hate, regardless of what side you're on, lead with love. Because if you go in with hate, this is how we have these problems.

Go in and lead with love. And I know that might sound a little bit frou-frew, but I liked that. Like we're human beings. We should be empathetic. There's clearly there's something terrible going on. There's something terrible going on in this country. Terrible. Lead with love, not with hate.

That's a beautiful statement. Not nobody is illegal on stolen land. That's what Billy Eilish said. Nobody is illegal on stolen land. That is such a catch-all that makes people angry. It's like, are you trying to just create a divide? are you trying to imply that there should be no immigration law? Are you trying to, like zero?

Do you live in a doorman building, Billy Eilish? Do you live in a gated house? Do you have security? Do you have a lock on your door? Or do you not need any of those things? Do you not need any of them? Because you're living on stolen land and thus, it doesn't matter.

It's a free-for-all. Anybody can be anywhere at any time. And if you want to say, there's no if you want to say that you don't have to have any rules because we're on stolen land. That is the world.

Every single country, modern country, was conquered by war or taken. It stinks. It's not nice. It's why we pay reparations. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't have law and order. Well,

I think, and this isn't addressing necessarily, it's addressing famous people in general, but this happened to actors and producers and not to musicians. But the turning point for me was at the Oscars when everyone sat there and watched Will Smith slapped Chris Rock in the face

and then gave him a standing ovation when he won the Oscar an hour later. Like this was the clearest moment to say, okay, like if you're, you know, if you're ideologically and you are, you are virtuous and you are someone of high moral fiber who does the right thing when given the opportunity. Here's a guy who committed a crime in front of you, right?

An unacceptable, violent crime, super famous, and everyone's watching. Can you do the right thing? You know? Can you walk up to him and be like, get the fuck out of here? Like, what did you just do? You slap that guy, you slap that dude in the face on national television, you embarrassed him in front of, of everyone. And now you're sitting back down and just chilling and screaming at the stage,

cursing. And then I have to listen to you, give an acceptance speech where you talk about how like Denzel was giving you a pep talk after. Nah, dog. Not tonight, boss. Take a walk. It's done. Like, but nobody did that. So at that moment, I went, gotcha. Like, maybe these people are not going to direct me morally. Yeah. That's why Bad Bunny to me, at least was your breath of fresh share because he had... I love bad buddy. I love him, love him. Yeah, he had an issue with ice.

He didn't wear the pin and he spoke about it from his own experience. Like, I don't, I want to be, I want to set the record straight and be so unbelievably clear so that nobody can twist my words. I'm not saying that what's going on in this country isn't a problem and something that we should look at and talk about it and talk about it. I'm saying that when somebody hands you one way to talk about something and says you have to talk about you have to wear this pin you have to rile people up it doesn't make anything better right it's just divisive i don't know i'm lost i hate those award shows because i love them i'm i love watching

like live performances what's better jostin going to a concert what's better than watching an award show with Sabrina carpenter and bruno mars and lady gaga the acts are amazing and justin bieber we didn't even talk about justin beber josepherson bieber performed in his underwear an incredible vocal performance it was great i'm attracted to chapel road okay should we get to our Woody and Nuts moment of the week? Yes, we should.

All right. Our Woody and Nets moment of the week and our gripes with people, places and things, both big and tall, whatever, stick it in your craw,

Ben. Josh, you know what's sticking in my craw? I'm a little bit sick, okay, you saw me drinking tea. Josh, you ever go and try and get a cup of tea

that isn't scalding hot? Too hot. How about you give me a cup of tea that is drinkable? Okay, I ordered the tea not so it would be a normal temperature in 20 minutes, not so that the plastic lid that's sitting on top of it will 100% melt and fall into my tea. Yes.

Okay, I want to drink my tea now. Can you put it at a temperature that will not burn the roof of my mouth, not burn my tongue? What are you nuts? How do you even get water that hot? I agree. Couldn't agree more. Josh? Mine is, my what do you nuts is the word crumb.

hear me out it's a fucking dumb word this is spelled stupidly what are you nuts the great max peck is seven years old and we're working on his spelling so we go on walks

and I throw out words for him and sometimes I throw out words with silent letters because I'm like this one's gonna trap them and I said okay crum and he goes

CRU M and I go and he goes CRU M and I go there's a at the end and he looked at me and I looked at him and we both said put he in nuts like yeah for what this is not necessary crumb crumb not good no no silent letters are completely unnecessary why if it's a silent letter why is it there okay why it's like little wayne said I move like I'm like

I'm like I move like what did he say he said that's what he said that's what he's what he That's what he said, Josh. He said, I'm like move. No, he said like lasagna, a real G moves in silence. Okay. That's a great line. And you know what else? Josh, this episode, this is five stars.

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