Good Guys - Tennis Shouldn't Be Played at 3AM (US Open Chaos)

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

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Mazumorans, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. Josh, don't hide those slides. Show them. They're Hokka's baby. That's right. It's called comfort. Welcome, okay? No, because I can see your big tree trunk, gorgeous sycamore legs.

You can't see my slides. I saw them already. What do you know? I don't see him. Do you see him now? By the way, and what about now? What about now? What about?

We can all see your knees. They're staring at us like your people. like your pee hole. Yeah, you're freaking welcome, bro. No, no, you look nice today. I mean, again, I don't think the shorts are appropriate, but you look nice. It's hot as hell, Josh. It's sticky in the city. It's sticky season. I walked here three miles. No way. Yeah, and like, sometimes you want to zone out on a walk, but sometimes you want to be present. I walked those three miles, took a couple of calls, have no idea how I got here. I could have been hit by a car. And I showed up winded.

drank a whole big bottle of lumen, because you know, the dear media office, they have that fancy lumen. I had that lumen who was delicious water. And I'm feeling better, but I still, I don't know, like, I don't know what I did to get here, Josh. I could have, I don't know. I'm happy. I'm alive. Here's what I don't understand about the great, you know, dear media who we love and adore and feel very lucky to be under their tutelage. You know, they build these gorgeous studios.

Just, have you seen this fabric? But, you know, then they pick these chairs. And if you're not built, like the great Michael, the CEO, like a frickin' Adonis, look at, I'm falling over the belt. And then we look like such slumps. And it just highlights all the lumps and the things. Josh, there are pros and cons with being with a predominantly female podcast agency. Okay?

Which are? The pros, too many to name. The cons. The chairs are made for once. Women. The chairs are made for women. That's what it is. You're sitting in a woman's chair. I love it. I prefer it. You know why? I feel safe. Yeah, you don't prefer it. You just idiotated it. Says you. No, sir. I'm not going to mansplain that one. Why don't you just wrap that up and throw that away? Because that's, that's 2012 talk. So because this is 2012 talk and it's topical Thursdays,

I think we dedicate this entire podcast to the Lindsay Glancy trial. So that is that. I agree. Okay. All right. So Shreddington came on and he, I'm just kidding. We're not talking about that crap anymore.

Okay. It's over. Okay. Let's talk about it though. Let's put let's button it. Let's close it. Let's have some closure. Okay.

We're closing it in. I no longer think that these, uh, hearings should be publicized. I think it's making people sick. I think that people should, uh, stop being able to make trial videos on TikTok.

And I think that people need to get a life. And I think that that is what I truly think. I think that this culture around true crime, true crime podcasts, people being obsessed with being right and figuring it out as a overall statement that's not commenting on the trial whatsoever. I think that people need to get a life. That's what I think. I couldn't agree more.

And I want you to think about this for a second. And truly all we have is, you know, evidence. Assuming that every TikTok detective maybe perhaps is wrong and maybe they're not. But let's assume that they're wrong. That Lindsay Clancy's husband wasn't some evil mastermind who was behind all of this, right? sending up his wife or one of the greatest crimes anyone has ever committed ever. Maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was just the victim of one of the worst things that could happen to a person ever.

You might ask yourself, what could make it worse? Maybe a year or two later, having the entire internet flip the script and accuse you of being the one, right? Like what could have made what this man went through worse than having tens of thousands of people throwing around rumors and suspicions and theories at this guy who, I mean, it's just, if you really zoom out and think about it, it's kind of awful. Yeah, it's all, it's terrible. And that's sort of what I meant by that blanket statement. Like this is, this should be for him, unless he,

He wants it out there. This should be private. Like, this should be not something that he needs. He doesn't need to mourn the death of his children, technically mourn the death of his wife or what was her, and now also have to deal with being called a killer online. It's just all of it's so crazy because people and the media got hold of it and made it their personality.

It's become one of those. And I'm not saying that it's not outlandishly terrible. It is, but the way that people have made it their personalities, you don't know them. You know nothing about them. Your sleuthy research. You don't work for the FBI. You don't work for the CIA. You don't actually know anything.

You don't know anything. You know nothing. So like coming on and proselytizing about, like, you don't know anything. So shut up, try and keep a job. You know these people are unemployed. Try and keep a job. And if you can keep a job, that should be the new rule, Josh. If you can keep a job, you can make a TikTok about a trial.

That's right. If you can't keep a job, you can't. That's it because either you're using your employer's time to do all this Reddit sleuthing or you're unemployed. And I don't want to hear your opinions, pro bono. Okay? I don't want to hear it. And if you pet cats too hard, you shouldn't be able to vote, weirdo.

Okay. It's weird. If that gets too hard. Josh, happy New Year. Happy New Year. No, I want to get there. The last thing I'm going to say about the Lindsay Clancy trial, and I know I had, you know what, I think would have solved all this,

because my takeaway from all this is that the system certainly failed her. This was a woman who was screaming out for help and did all the right things, and it just seemed like the system did not meet her where she was. And also, this horrible. tragedy occurred and this awful thing happened that she admits to have committed the worst thing ever. There needs to just be a place for someone in the in-between, right? Like prison light.

Like Lindsay needs to go away forever. But you know, maybe it's like a, maybe it's a prison with a schvitz or like a nice, you know, slightly higher end. Or prison in general. I mean, this is a completely different. topic. This isn't just Lindsay Clancy. This is in general. Obviously, anybody who murders their children has a mental problem. Exactly. You can be a, you can be a vicious murderer calculated and have a mental problem. All those things can be true, right? Like anybody,

like the worst of the worst, Adolf Hitler, okay, obviously had mental problems. So if you're going to put somebody away forever, which they should be, anybody who commits a vicious crime like killing three children should go to, should go away forever. That doesn't mean that jail shouldn't be rehabilitating in general. Jail should be rehabilitating in general. These shouldn't be different places. If you go to jail, you should still, we should still try and make you mentally better. I don't know how that works, but I think the in between should just be the jail should rehabilitate you. It should. It rehabilitates healthy mental people, it should also rehabilitate people that aren't healthy mentally. I don't think we're there yet, but yeah, it's...

I think it's an ideal way to look at it, but I think it's just so hard and we've clearly not been good at it in this country specifically. We're not there yet. And we, you know, so many people go to jail for silly, you know, low-level things like, you know, drug offenses and whatnot. But yeah, I just think you're right. Right. That, you know, jail with Schwarz, maybe a theme, some theme nights, a newsletter, you know, right? Maybe they call them, instead of the levels of the prison, they call them decks, you know.

You know, on deck six, they do crafts, right? But you got to stay forever. You don't get to leave. I think that's called white collar prison. And I don't think that's where she belongs. But yeah, yeah. I think that. It would be great if prison was rehabilitative. And ideally, maybe somebody can work on that. Elsie. It's not going to be, it's not going to be me. Shreddington could have really endeared the world to Lindsay Clancy.

If he was like, you know, Elsie, then she sounds like she's from the hills. Oh, my God. Yes, happy New Year. Happy Rush Hashanah. Baruchat adenahelah, al-Hanah, Bah, barri, ha'avethova. This is, and everybody should, by the way, the timing couldn't be better this year, Josh. Most of the time, Labor Day and Rush Ashana don't meet like this. Most of the time, Labor Day is much earlier, Russia Shana's much later.

We have a very unique time where Labor Day just happened, summer is over, and the Jewish New Year is tomorrow. And I've been saying it really feels to me, particularly because I went from the Hamptons to the city, it just Labor Day signifies just a different change of scenery for me. It feels like New Year. And so the fact that it actually is New Year is very powerful. And I plan on using it.

This is a new year, Josh. I don't necessarily want anything different. I want all the same. I'm very thankful. I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for Rubin, my family, my wife, all this stuff. Everything's great. But this is very much a new year.

And normally, the Jewish New Year feels like, okay, it's not January 1st. For whatever reason for me this year, Josh, with the way it's timed up, it really feels happy New Year. Truly Happy New Year. I don't know if you feel the same, but that's how it feels. I do. I have a couple questions. First of all, why do, you know, when religious Jews pray Daven, as they call it, why do they rock like that? Why do they sway?

You're feeling Hashem or God in your body. It's more so it's just you're kind of like dancing as you pray. We're like Baptist? Yeah, we're just like rocking. It's like rock your body. That's it. See, that is where this is where shules are fucking up. Right?

Did you imagine like, Shama, Israel? Yeah. I can. Yes. It was like a. in church, those are the best places ever. Yossi's just being misunderstood, but he's there rocking.

He's rocking and rolling. Are you kidding me? Like a skier. And yeah, he, he's rocking with God. That's all that it is. They're moving because they're grooving, man. If I'm passing over, it was like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Dian-a-da-da-da-da.

Da-da-da-da-da. Yes, I'm in. I'm all in, Josh. I'm in. I love a Baptist Shul collab. I love a Baptist church period. Me too. Freaking singers, are you kidding me?

Those chords are freaking sweet. I love it. I love it. Some of the best music and musicians come out of church. And the great Kirk Franklin, who if you haven't seen his tiny desk, I would watch it. He writes, you know, gospel music for praise, but they're bangers.

And as we all know, I was the only male soprano in a gospel choir in sixth grade. Yes. Yes, which is. Shout out, Kirk Franklin. Which is unbelievably impressive. God bless you. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends at AG1. Folks, you know we love Aege one here at the Good Guys podcast.

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is by winning back the one coach who wants nothing. to do with him. Watch the new season of Chad Powers from Glenn Powell and the creator of Loki. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers, terms apply. Okay, so I have some Jewish questions I'd love to ask you about. Please. I heard this woman, I think these are like former Orthodox people on TikTok or whomever, kind of, and it was funny, she was doing a bit about how like, you know, in Orthodox religious culture and Judaism, like how, you know, women,

obviously have to dress more conservatively. Sometimes they cover their hair specifically. And she was just saying how like the thing is, the way that it is sold to them is like, you as a woman have a higher purpose. Like you can't read the Torah because cleaning and cooking is higher. By the way, yeah, it is. Seriously. It's my sugar.

Like how it depends. It's honestly, it's perspective. Like I think that in in society today, one could feel that way. This also, I just want to clarify, I covering hair, wearing a wig, that kind of stuff. It's not Orthodox. That would be more Hasidic. Like some very ultra-Orthodox do it, but most modern Orthodox women don't have to cover their hair just so we know the sect is smaller. And the number one mitzvah for a woman in general, they say that it is like biblically important is chala and making chala. And that the blessing around chala is the and making the physical act of making bread

is one of the highest mitzvahs you can possibly make. So the question becomes, what dictates importance. I agree that from a modern lens, looking at it and saying, oh, she can't be on stage reading, that's not fair. But you could also look at it from the lens of,

you know, you don't have to do that, but you're still held to a higher importance. We're not saying, go make cholera, you're not important. We're saying it's really important. important to make chala. It's really important to raise a family. And that doesn't work for everyone. But I think that it's, I genuinely think that it is set up, uh, from a position of, uh,

like I, I think that it's, I think that it's meant to be very nice. I think it's meant to, I make a woman feel great about something that is really important, which is raising a family is really important, especially when you, have. If you think about these religious families, very religious families, Josh, they often have let's say eight kids, nine kids. It is more than a full-time job to be a parent. To be a mother of eight children should be held to the highest possible degree. So I think the way that it's intended is it's such a blessing to do those things. You don't have to do anything more. I do also see the side of, but what if you wanted to? Through the modern lens. I totally get that.

But I think that the way that it was written was meant to be endearing. Or like you're so beautiful. That's why you have to be covered to every inch of you, right? Like you, a female is so holy, except what if you're a woman who wants to show her elbows? Then if you're a woman that wants to show her elbows, then you should. And the part about Judaism that's unlike really any religion is you definitely will need to care you'll need to not care about the specific sect that you're in. But if you want to be in a different sect, there is a beautiful community waiting for you. Right. You know, like if you don't like it, move.

And there's no, it's not like you want to leave and they're going to kill you. Maybe they won't talk to you. Maybe you'll be excommunicated. I don't know. It depends on the community. But there are plenty of situations where, okay, if you don't want to wear a wig, don't. And there are like so many Jews that are really excited to meet you and welcome you into a different sect. Yeah, I think that's totally fair.

And I've also been thinking over the last couple weeks something wonderful about us, good old Jews. Here we are just, you know, talking ourselves up. But, you know, there's somebody has to. Right. Well, exactly. And, you know, far be it the guy from Drake and Josh or the Good Guys podcast getting into geopolitics because we don't because who cares what we have to say. What I think is more important is that what we're seeing is a wonderful tableau of Jews having

different opinions, right, especially publicly. And there's not one Jewish person represents the entire group think. And that also is a testament, I think, to our. people, right, is like this embracing of like, we could be in totally different worlds as far as what we believe and think in our opinion, but we're one people. And we embrace a dissenting voice where I think sometimes in other, you know, places you won't hear that. You hear much more group think. And I love that our people are like, it's all about arguing, asking questions, and debating. And nonviolently. Like that is like the key pillar. I feel like across

I won't generalize, but just if we have a difference of opinions, we talk about it. Like you don't hear like, oh, I hate what she said. We should harm her. That is like so not even in the realm of possibility within the Jewish religion. You have debates. You have disagreements. It is as old as the books written. And that's okay.

And eventually maybe you'll never agree. Like I think that that's I think that that's part of of being Jewish is learning receiving I not you can change your mind or you or you don't have to but there's never any physical violence and I think that that's like a huge uh like this this narrative that we're scary or that we've like done some like we we we are we you know what I'm saying yeah unless we haven't had lunch and then don't don't listen you're not You're not you and you're hungry, Judge. Yeah, listen, if we're at line and catches and it's 1230, the lines out the freaking door, okay?

And I've been waiting for some hot pastrami, you cut me? We're going to have an issue. We might come to a tussle. Okay. And I want those steak fries crispy. Leave them in the friar longer. You pull them too early. You pull them too early.

Everyone pulls a fried too early. Leave them in for 30 extra seconds. They're soggy. They're soggy. They're afraid of burning them. I'd rather than be slightly. Is there anything that would not benefit from an extra 30 seconds in the fryer basket? Maybe fish.

Maybe you're frying a piece of fish. It might get tough. Otherwise, no. Nothing, especially a French fry. By the way, have you seen, have you been watching the U.S. Open? I have been a little bit. Tell me, did you go? I know you go every year.

Haven't been able to go because our schedule being young parents, we go to something. We go to sleep, Josh, at 9 o'clock. Okay, no problem. One night I'll go to sleep at 11. Alcarez and Shelton last night went to 3.30 in the morning. Why is this? Why is this happening? Because these matches are delayed and they all start too late.

The Tiafo match, which was before the Pagula Navarro women's match, went five sets. and they can't start these next matches or won't until the other one is complete. And I guess they assume from a time budgeting standpoint that these aren't going to go five sets, that these aren't going to go three sets for women's. But Tiafa went five plus a tie break. Navarro Pagula went five, went three, which is the equivalent. And then Shelton went five. So they had the longest possible.

but so Shelton and Alcarez didn't go on. I don't think until like 11 o'clock, which is just insane. Insane. Like, can you imagine being asked to do that? Being asked to wait as a professional athlete? Like, I'm not, and Alcara is a class act. I'm sure he was fine, but like,

you have to think that losing at 3.30 in the morning, you're fucking tired. And there's no reason for that. But yeah, this tennis has been unbelievable. This Ben Shelton. My God, 143. mile per hour serve. It's insane. And the women are so good too. Pagula Navarro, Josh, you know, they're both billionaires with a B. Good for them. Pagula's dad owns the bills. She's worth $11 billion.

Navarro's dad like runs a financial something with money, something with money has three billion. Billionaire on billionaire went three beautiful sets. Do you think Michael and Lauren Bostic are going to pitch a podcast to Francis Tiafo called What's the Tiafo? That's a great idea. Because they should. They should. Well, speaking of the, yeah, I love the U.S. Open. You know, I have like a kind of a crush on Yerina Sabalanka.

Ooh, she is such a badass. Who wouldn't? I mean, she's fantastic. She's awesome. And I have a bigger crush on her fiance, because he is cute, cute. I haven't seen him. He's a handsome fella. You haven't seen him.

She just... What's his name? He's a Brazilian cat. And you know, he's the guy behind Oakberry. Oh, my God. The most caloric yet delicious. But Josh, what, one smoothie is like 1,800 calories, Oakberry. Listen, she put...

Can you imagine if our wives could post a birthday photo of us that look... He looks like he's Chippendales. I mean, this man is gorgeous. Let me see. Show me straight. Yeah. Oh my God. That's for the people at home. By the way, by the way, I want to, I want to apologize to both Claudia and Paige because clearly we're not working hard enough. It sucks to be with us. I don't know. That is. Yeah. That's wild. What a good looking couple. Amazing. Wow. But yeah. She's killing it. Coco goff is killing it. Cocoa go. Goal. Pagula, it's killing it. I saw her.

I had the pleasure of seeing her at the Miami Open last year. She's an amazing player. Forget the fact that she's $11 billion. She's an amazing player. Women's tennis? Unbelievable. These women are so good. It's so entertaining.

It's so fantastic. I love it. All women's sports are awesome. And I'm watching more WMBA. Sure. Sure, Josh. Sure. I'm watching more WMBA than ever.

And I know I'm not allowed to like Caitlin Clark too, too, you know? Oh, bandwagon. You like Caitlin Clark. Like, yes, I love it. Caitlin Clark. I love the WMBA. They're crushing it. It's such, it's really fun to watch. They're crushing it. It is absolutely assonine, asinine and unfair to pretend that they're crushing it has nothing to do with Caitlin Clark, has nothing to do with it. I'm going to read a speak pipe quickly, Josh, because I thought that this was important. Read it up. This is apropos.

I'm going to read this, okay? I'm going to read this speak pipe. We started with Lindsay Clinton. Nancy, we went to Judaism, and now we're talking about the WMBA. This is the episode that gets us canceled. This is important, okay? This is important. Shout out to Ben. Yeah. Is the subject.

Hey, Ben and Josh. Just want to tell you I love listening to the pod. It's a perfect mix of fun and real talk. And of course, I love your food takes. I love you both, but I have to say I really appreciate Ben. I love that you are never afraid to state an opinion and have a backbone in what you believe. your lack of wishy-washiness is something I really respect, especially when you call out disagree with popular opinions.

And honestly, it keeps me coming back to the podcast every episode. Thanks to you both for making this such a great podcast for all the rest of us. I'm just saying the WNBA, this is not at all. This is not a controversial statement. Two things have to be true. A league only becomes exciting when there's something exciting that's happening. And the rise of Caitlin Clark is the exact same rise that the NBA got when, by the way, you had like those like 40 male man white guys that were playing in the league.

All of a sudden, some sick player came around, probably dunked, and all of a sudden the league got great. It wasn't the 40 Joes that were there before. I'm sorry, the numbers don't lie. The WNBA was not exciting. We had flashes of greatness. We had Lisa Leslie. had the people that we grew up on. No question. Flashes of greatness, but the league never had a pulse

like the league has right now. And that's because you have a generational talent. She's so good. She's unbelievable. She was unbelievable in college. She got us all to care about, nobody can deny that nobody gave a shit about college women's. We didn't care about women's college basketball until Caitlin Clark. And then all of a sudden we saw her hitting, it's like Steph Curry. Steph Curry changed the NBA. We never ever thought that somebody could shoot from that far. And then comes Caitlin Clark and she's doing the same thing in the WNBA. It's not a controversial statement.

The WNBA is what it is because Caitlin Clark is who she is. And if you can't say both things at once, you're just a hater. That's it. Well, I loved women's college basketball from Jump because my friend, the great Dan Cruz, who is the deputy athletic director of for UCLA, has loved and supported women's basketball for as long as I've known him, and he brought me to games with my dear son Max, and I got to watch that UCLA women's team, crush.

They jammed that ball down that net, and it was gorgeous, and I got to meet them, and I was star-struck. Well, then you can say that you got in early. I sure did. And did you know, not to get off the U.S. Open? A $38 sandwich is taking over the U.S. Open. Why fans say it's worth the price and the weight? This is in the New York Post.

Walk onto the grounds of the Billy King. What? Walk onto the ground to the Billy King National Tennis Center, U.S.TA. There must have been a shorter way to say that. By the way, Josh, have you ever thought about how Billy Jean King's initials are the BJ King? Shut up. I'm not touching that. And you'll eventually find your way toward the food clean area.

He's the King of BJ. You're the U.S. Open. You'll be met by a long line of fans. waiting to get their hands on a $38 sandwich. That has been the talk of the tournament. That's right. This is a delicious salt hanks sandwich. Do we know about this salt hank sandwich, Ben?

We do. He's my boy. Is he? Yeah, Henry is fantastic. And he built a viral concept in the West Village. And they brought it to the U.S. Open. I've never seen anything like it. He opened a year ago, Josh.

Usually the U.S. Open doesn't take this kind of, like viral early and apparently he is selling I think he sold like over a million dollars in sandwiches already Jesus like he's he's ripping and they say that it's the best sandwich at the open and they say that it's an au jus

it's an Oju with shoe string fries that's where you'll get me and apparently the quality is that of the shop which is often what you lose when you go and do a concept at a ballpark or an open or something you is not the same kitchen. He imported all the staff, Josh,

and he closed his city location. Wow. He brought everyone there to make it perfect. And apparently it's perfect. Apparently also, I don't know if it says it in there, he was bought by Wonder. Wonder is this AI delivery app that is buying these concepts

where it's, if you do one thing great, they're going to buy you. And apparently, Saul Hanks was bought. I don't know the details. I haven't had a chance to catch up with them on it, but apparently the sandwich was bought. Interesting. Night. Yeah.

Listen, when I hear that an AI company is taking something that's bespoke and homemade, I go, yes. I know. It's so sad. I read something this morning. It was like Anthropic, which is the parent company of Claude. They had like some board meeting and apparently like the real senior AI developer. all say that there's at least a 10% chance that AI ends up killing the human race. Yeah.

At least 10%. And everybody's like, okay, we'll roll the dice. And it's just insane. There's a great stand-up comedian who said that you know our country and people are out of their fucking mind when literally the richest, most powerful people have all unanimously said that AI is coming. It will take all our jobs and eventually kill all. of us and everyone listened, took a beat and said, these damn foreigners.

It's crazy. We're nuts. I mean, we're nuts. I, I, it's, it's crazy. I try not to think too much about it. I try just to like reap the benefits of chat GPT and not think about the implications of all of it, especially the education system. This idea that like, oh, chat is banned in schools.

like you're going to fucking go home and use it. Like, what do you mean? It's banned in schools. You don't need to know anything anymore. You don't, literally, you don't need to know anything. But you do. You do need to know. Of course you do.

But there's this idea that you don't. I'll just look it up. I'll know it like that. Something that we needed to research for so long. Remember? Remember needing to remember, Josh? Remember this idea that you needed to dig back in your brain to think of something? you don't have to do that anymore.

Because Alexa pro, sorry. I'll let you go. It's true. My memory is gone, gone, gone. You don't need it, Josh. You have Claude. You have Claude. You have Chad.

You're a Claude, man, huh? No, I'm a chat guy, but like my wife's name is Cloud. It was a joke. It passed you by. I like it. It did. It's Alexa Pro. It flew over.

It flew over. It flew over. By the way, Anthropics should really pay Claude. They should do a campaign, Anthropic, if you hear this. You should be part. partnering with all of the Claude's. Okay? There are a ton of them.

Claudia Oshre, Claudia Schiffer, Claude Monet. Yes. There are more, okay? You need to partner with all of them and pay them a handsome sum. Claude Frazier. I know it's Clyde Fraser,

but just, you know, it's adjacent. Claude Frazier, for sure. Absolutely. Well, did you know that an anthropic researcher abruptly quit chillingly warning that AI could kill us all and current team leader, agrees. A researcher for one of the largest and most valuable artificial intelligence companies

has publicly quit while raising the alarm that the technology could kill us all by the end of the decade. Jacob Coxon, who has performed pre-training research at Anthropic and OpenA.I. for the last three years, posted on a wildly viral X thread that neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling without lives. He wrote last Tuesday, while others from the company backing is terrifying. warning. Hold on. Let me just ask Chad to source this and make sure it's true.

By the way, by the end of the decade is what it said, right? Yes. They're always wrong. They're always right, but they're always wrong on timelines. Like, it's always like, oh, the sea levels will rise by 2050.

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Tyler Cowan. He was on Tetragrammatin, which is Rick Rubin's pod, which is one of my favorites. He basically was like, it shouldn't be called AI. It shouldn't be artificial intelligence. It should be called machine intelligence. It's just smart machines, but they're machines. We created a new internet. It's basically like the group.

So can we unplug it? Yes. So what's the fear? Like, why would it kill us all? If you can't, can they learn to not need to be charged? It's a fatalistic type, worst case scenario thought that, you know, in so many years, it will invade every system and it will develop in its own way in which that we can't control it.

So even when we unplug it, it will live in systems that are still plugged in. It will find a way to out-survive us and then turn weapon systems and everything that's possibly bad in the world against us. Got it. Okay. Because I was going to say, like, we can exist without systems. We came without systems and we can go without systems. like this idea that

they're on a grid but I guess our weapons are now on a grid that's the point that's a little bit scary it's not like it's not like we're like coming and shooting like of course we hold in the military we hold guns but a lot of it is is all driven by computers

and robotics and that's how we get like such such specificity and precision so that I guess actually is kind of frightening. There's plenty of things that'll never be able to take it to be taken off the grid or turned off, right? You know, weapons, missile systems, hospitals, like there will be enough on that if the machine became smart enough, it can invade all these systems where there'd be no turning it off. Chilling. Chilling. All right. Bring it on. Wow. Sure, bring it on. Bring it on. Well, I have bad news for you,

Ben, and I know it's going to be hard for you to be able to withstand this news. Angel Reese is retiring? Even worse, Jimmy Kimmel. I'm sorry, Jimmy Kimmel's late night show set to end in 2027 after 24 years on air. I'm sorry, Jimmy. By the way, regardless of my personal opinions, first of all, I'd like to say, what a run. 24 years. Unbelievable.

Fantastic. That's insane. By the way, he should want to do something else. He's got to be bored. Like, maybe go do something else. But yeah, it's that whole industry is like the last

to truly be shook up. So it makes sense. Like, our habits are different. We watch differently. We consume media differently. Like, I don't, traditional is just different. I mean, you know this better than anyone. But it just makes sense. And I'm sure that if he wanted to go and find a late

night gig on Netflix, he could go and pitch it tomorrow and have more views and have like it's, it's just everything, everything's shifting over there. It's all moving. So if you want real attention and not just like prestige, there's still, let me know if you agree with this. What is still left in TV is this prestige that doesn't seem to have migrated. over to the other forms of content. And I think that until that happens, people will be upset when they lose a TV show. But after that prestige is gone,

and it's just about views, because views are really the currency, I think that people will be very happy being on a streamer. And streamers will have to adopt these late-night shows because people like them. Like, they like, the format works. The format's worked forever. It's just a question of where will it,

live. What do you think? I think Jimmy has nothing to feel bad about. No one is successful for 24 years straight who's a fluke, right? Clearly, he's incredibly good. He made a wonderful show that many people enjoyed. And I'm sure the only thing he feels bad about because I know he's a good dude is probably his crew that now has to go find, you know, new jobs. But it's so not a reflection of him. It's a reflection of the medium that just doesn't work anymore. And the best example of it is if Stephen Colbert for a second feels bad about himself, he should go look at what was replaced

for the late show on CBS, which is Comics Unleashed with Byron Allen. Shout out the great Byron Allen, by the way, billionaire owner of the Weather Channel, freaking mogul. But it's not like they replaced him with like a younger hip or late night guy.

They replaced him with a show that couldn't be further from late night fair, right? That basically, and I think their business model is one where they pay for the air time and then they sell their own commercials. Yeah. So it's a, you know, because Byron Allen's brilliant. But it's like you didn't get replaced.

It's just people aren't watching that anymore. So to your point, yeah, you'll adapt. And I don't think late night is quite what people are looking for. From a corporate perspective, it's the best way to get fired. If you have a regular corporate job and somebody comes to you and says you're fired because you fucking suck and we're replacing you with somebody better, that's state. But you were fired because we had budget cuts in the category no longer exists. Like it's not, it existed for 24 years. You made at least $100 million, at least.

Probably a quarter of a billion. Okay. So you made a shitload of money. Like you can go and do anything you want now. Like I don't, yeah, I'm not hurting for him for one second. It's why I love. And I actually think they're both good guys. but do you remember when Leno and Conan

went through their whole sort of dispute? Do you remember this? Vaguely, yes. Basically, Leno was on the air for forever. He was the number one guy in late night. Conan was the show after where Seth Myers is now.

And sort of through some bad systems error with the execs, Conan was promised the show like five years from the moment he was They said in five years, you will be the host of the Tonight Show. Jay's contract will be up.

He'll be in his 60s. He'll probably want to move on anyway. It'll be perfect. And then, of course, Jay goes, well, I'm still number one. And they go, yeah, but you're done. Let Conan come in. He goes, I'm done. And they go, you're done.

He goes, huh, okay. And so then Conan went to 1130, and it just didn't work. And after a year, they brought Leno. back. And I think Leno, understandably, is an Italian kid from Boston, so he didn't take kindly to the way they treated him, especially because he was still number one. And he wound up coming back for five more years. But Leno said, he said, you know, towards the last decade, I was making $30 million a year. And he's like, it was insane. He said, and so there was a strike and they needed to do massive budget cuts. And they said, you have to get rid of half your crew, because

we can only make the show for this amount of money. And he said, so I went to my entire staff after I'd been making $30 million a year for 10 years. I said, okay, everyone, who votes that we get rid of half of our employees? And he goes, okay, who votes that I take a 50% pay cut and we keep everyone? I mean, what's better than that?

Nothing. But it also just, it's logical. If only people were logical. It's kindness, but it's logic. Like, you don't have to be greedy. You had the best job in the world. One where you didn't have to put up any money, you got to show up to work and get paid $30 million to talk.

Like, it's like, it really doesn't get better than that. The new late night, and I haven't really thought about it like this until I saw, or hadn't thought about it like this until I saw his recent guests, it really is what Jake Shane is doing right now with therapists with the guests he's pulling. He just had Sandra Bullock. Wow. And like, like, it's not, it's not Alex Earle. It is Alex Earl, too, for sure.

But he's, he's getting, it was Sandra Bullock and who else, which like, that, that's late night. Like, they, they were certainly pitched. This is late night. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's more impactful currently. Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock. Like, that's cool, cool. That's late, meanwhile, we can't get crazy Steve. The fuck.

What a joke. Yeah, we don't want it. I mean, let's just Sandra. Please. Oh, yeah. We have Andrew Sullick on the podcast. Why? So we can get more one-star reviews when you go,

we only like when it's you two. Don't give us a one-star review to tell us that you only like us together. It hurts the show. It's so funny. Morad. God, do I love. I've had a couple good, I think you get it way more because we're bigger on the East Coast, but I've had a couple people come up to me and be like, hey, I'm a moron.

And I'm like, that is the greatest you've ever done, Ben, is naming our fan base of the morons. Thank you. It really is. It feels great. And I can tell you that since I've been back, it's really constant. They're buzzing in this big city. That's right. We're hot, hot, hot, hot.

And yeah, they're proud morons. As am I. Josh, you want to do what are your nuts? Our Woody You Nuts moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things, both big and tall, whatever is sticking in a yelkra. Mine is, and it's going to be good because I can remember it. Oh, I was watching this TikTok of this woman who went to Iceland with her family, and she's like, so we booked a snorkeling trip, which I was really excited for, until I realized I had to get my hair wet. Wish I hadn't flat ironed it before. My hair looked crazy the rest of the trip. What are you nuts? Snorkeling. Like, did she think she just, was going to go like face at the top of the water looking at the fishies. I mean, that's, of course. These are the people making TikToks about the Lindsay Clancy trial, by the way. Just let that sink in.

Okay? These are the same people. Okay? Yeah. If you can't hold down a job, you can't write a review. Yes. Okay. My Woody and that's moment, Josh.

Now, hear me out on this. Because it's a big one. Oh, boy. I spent Labor Day weekend. in Manhattan this weekend. Yeah. And it was unbelievable. The city was dead.

Love. No traffic. No lines. Everything's still open. Nothing closed. Just bliss. Open parking spots that are legal that I could just pull into. And it got me thinking, we intentionally pay more money to be with more people in a crowded

place. That's right. Christmas. You pick the hotel. Cancun, we are paying a premium to be in a jam-packed hotel where you can't make a reservation, where the spa is at full capacity, where the airlines then kill you on fares. And I understand that by and large it has to do with the fact that people work nine to five jobs and everybody has the same exact time off, which then goes back to the schools and all the schools, etc.

I don't know how I fix it. I'm just saying that it is absolutely a what do you nuts that people are paying more money to be with more people. It should be the opposite. How much more? It's very expensive to rent at a restaurant, isn't it, Josh? Sure is. It's very expensive.

Sure is. Yeah. Meanwhile, you go to an empty restaurant. It should be a great thing. Instead, we crave being with other people. I just don't get it. I don't know. What are you nuts?

I don't know. Am I nuts? There's something about this that's nuts. Yeah, I think it's unavoidable. I don't think people are seeking out more people. I just think it's a byproduct of everyone having a similar schedule. Must be. But how about we just fix that?

Maybe different industries have different schedules. Maybe different schools have different schedules. Maybe the school in the industry. Maybe it's dictated by the school, Josh. And that's like you go to PS 196. Every single kid from PS 196, their parents' schedule is now the kids schedule. I don't know. Is it harder? Sure, but it would certainly make things more pleasant.

I feel the same way about the highways. How about Josh, we let you leave at a certain time. Your commute to work is at seven. Mine's at eight. I can't leave it eight. And then there's less traffic. All right. Well, Mom Donnie over here.

I lost you there. Okay. Well, I had you for a minute. Folks, this episode's five stars. Otherwise, what are you nuts? Shout out. Watch my new show on HBO. It's on Food Network.

And then the next day you can get it on HBO Max, October. October 5th, Sweet Deceit. It's going to be incredible. 10 o'clock, double episode. That's 10 and 1030, babe. And the next day, it's streaming on HBO Max. That's Sweet Deceit. It's about hyper-realistic, sweet, sweet, sweet things like me and Ben.

You didn't tell me HBO Max after? Yeah, babe. Josh, that's good stuff. Food Network, unbelievable. Love it. But I was thinking, what if I miss it? HBO Max. Perfect.

Forever. Forever. Sweet to eat. Sweet deceit. Sweet deceit, folks. Sweet to seat. Sweet deceit. Sweet to seat.

Sweet to sweet. Oh, sweet. Sweet deceit. Perfect. Okay. Sweet deceit, not sweet to eat or sweet to seat. Sweet deceit. Food.

network, then HBO Max. This episode's five stars. Otherwise, what are you nuts? Listen to us wherever you get your podcasts. Watch us on Spotify, the video. My God, Josh, you see that Terry video? Unbelievable. The Dubro video.

Stunning. Unbelievable. Must be a complete coincidence. Mondays and Thursdays, folks, we will see you. After you've watched Sweet Deceit next time. Don't you wish you could just hit Skip on the worst parts of your life? You know, the same way you can skip an ad. I get it. I'm Siyaya and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned.

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