Good Hang with Amy Poehler - The Jonas Brothers

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Not to brag, but the Jonas Brothers are able to stand up for their entire show. Amy hangs with the boy band and talks about mumble singing, 'They Came Together,' and their conflict resolution styles. Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Jack McBrayer, Kevin Jonas, Joe Jonas, and Nick JonasExecutive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson, Belle Roman, Francis X Bernal Jr., Caroline Jannace, and Aleya Zenieris; audio producer Kaya McMullen; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat SpillaneOriginal Music: Amy Miles Try Laneige Lip Sleeping Mask & Cream Skin at www.Sephora.com and Sephora stores today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very excited about today. We're talking to the Jonas Brothers. Kevin, Joe, Nick, one of them shares my birthday. You're gonna have to figure out which one. And we talk about so many fun things. We talk about their new album, Greetings From Your Hometown. We talk about the Bee Gees and how much we love the Bee Gees.

We talk about Broadway and we sing from Les Mis. It's a good one, guys. Buckle up. So we always start these episodes by asking someone who knows our guests to give me a question to ask them. We find out a little bit more and we get the dirt. And we are very excited to have our guest today, Jack McBrayer, Kenneth from 30 Rock, great improviser and Chicago comedian who I spent many years improvising with joining me. Jack,

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You know, one of the best things about doing these things is that I just get to say hi to people and I miss you. It's good to see you. Oh, it's been a minute. I guess the last time I've seen you was February 14th at Radio City Music Hall for the SNL music thing. Oh, that's right for the big 50th celebration. How are you?

I can't believe I'm doing this. What is this by the way? Oh, I don't know. Who knows? It's a pyramid scheme. Now this is a podcast called Good Hang, and I'm having the Jonas Brothers on tomorrow. I'm familiar, I'm familiar.

When did you become first familiar with the Jonas Brothers as an entity rather than actual people? Good question, as an entity, I mean, it would have been, I guess, early in their career because we knew who all the Disney kids were. Right. And they were some of the, you know, OG Disney kids. But I mean, because I am older than everyone.

Not me, sir, not me. We're a close second. Don't match us, don't get us. But I didn't necessarily know their work. I knew they were very, very popular and I knew that they did movies together as brothers. And you know, it was interesting to watch that evolution because I mean, I could not even imagine working with any member of my family and yet here they were with this whole

empire. I know it's really, really fun to think about the questions I want to ask them because it is they are working with their family. A family business is not easy. It's a very interesting dynamic to watch, but also they are all just genuine human beings, just wonderful young men. And it really has been a pleasure to get to know all of them together and each of them individually. So how did you meet them? How did you become friends? February 14th, another Valentine's Day, 2009, Alec Baldwin was hosting Saturday Night Live with your musical guest, the Jonas Brothers.

And Alec very graciously had an opportunity for me to come up during the monologue and do a fun little bit with them. And so because I'm there for the, you know, days leading up to it for those rehearsals, I got to hang out with the Jonas Brothers. So delightful. They were just big fans of comedy and they're just like, again, good solid folk. So that is when I met them and over the years our paths crisscrossed through different things. I was staying at the same hotel in Toronto as Nick Jonas several years later. And they all came to Saturday Night Live again when Demi Lovato was a musical guest. So a lot of just crisscrossing through the years. And then more recently, Nick Jonas got back into acting or, you know, focusing on acting and was on a show called Scream Queens with my neighbor, Glenn Powell.

Right, that's your neighbor. So Glenn would have movie nights and all that kind of stuff. You are so connected, Jack. I might be too connected, hey. It's weird. It's suspicious. It's fantastic. I mean-

It's the best. I love it. I mean, it's the best. I love it. Famous people are the best. Okay, so Glenn and you and Nick and others have game nights, I'm hoping. Correct. Game nights, movie nights. Oh, oh, oh, you're going to love this. Nick Jonas's favorite movie is They Came Together. And you know why I know this. During COVID.

During COVID, I went to your driveway. There was only a few people I saw during COVID, and one of them was Jack McBrayer, who came to my driveway masked and gloved, because that was back when we were really, we were taking all precautions to sign a They Came Together poster, a film that me and Paul Rudd did for Nick Jonas. Nick Jonas, whose birthday is? The same birthday as mine. September 16th. And the reason why Jack knows that is because Jack is a savant. One of his love languages is you remember and you take deep, you care deeply

about reaching out to people on their birthday and everyone gets a Jack McBrayer happy birthday text and it means a lot to a lot of us. It's so fun and you know I learn a lot. Some people are like, oh you only texted me this year. I like it when you call me so I can keep the message. I was like, oh my gosh. So yeah, I tried to shake it up. Today I only have one. It's Leslie Powell, Glenn Powell's sister. Oh, I do whole families.

I know, it's like, let's see, Kevin Jonas is November 5th, Joe Jonas August 15th, and Nick Jonas September 16th. And so as Nick and Joe and Kevin's friend, what question do you think I should ask them today? What is their conflict resolution situation like? I wonder, I think that their lives are so unique

because they've been famous so much longer than they've been not famous. What does that feel like? What you're talking about is so interesting because the question there is like, you've had to deal with fame for a really long time. What's your relationship to it now? And I wonder too, like if each of the individual brothers

deals with it differently. For example, you know, Kevin and his family are off on the East Coast and, you know, there's co-parenting going on with, there's just a lot of different versions of what's happening. And, uh, but they're all just solid dudes, and it's always, always a joy to see each and every one of them. I'm such a fan of them as people.

Also, they're good at music. They're really good at music. They're very ugly. They're very ugly. They're very ugly. All right. Jack, I love you. Thank you so much for giving us the time and the question. Oh my gosh. Well, I hope it was helpful and yes, have so much fun with them.

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And also you have, we just found out that Nick has two shows tonight. Two shows. It's a two-show day which I know from Broadway is, means you have a matinee. Matinee, an evening show. And so thank you for not, for like talking because I know a lot of people have to save their voice for a two-show day. Well a lot of people are weak. That's for sure. But seriously you guys are pros. I mean and you have to sing all the time and good and sing good Yeah, you can sing but you gotta see singing is one thing singing good is another And do you worry about losing your voice? Yeah, I was paranoid about losing my voice or getting sick

Yeah today or just in just this whole run. Yeah, it's kind of like a living stress dream. Oh my gosh Have you had to cancel shows because of? this of Nick yeah Canceled shows There was a long because of me. Yeah First show we were can yeah was involved was in Zurich Nick didn't like Zurich So we were like we had to cancel the show But it was nice because we did have a great day off in Zurich

But we did nothing better than cancelled plans? And I know you love your fans and you want to provide them support. There's nothing you can do about it. If your plans are cancelled, there's no better. Especially if you're not the one cancelling them. But you were in Les Mis as a little kid. One day more, another day, another destiny. I did a deal, time goes by.

You got it. I know a place where no one cries. That show is, I saw it so many times. Me too. It was actually one of my like... Oh, when your brother was in it? Yeah, when he was in it. And so it was one of those things where I felt so empowered though,

and so like cool kid, because my class in that year that he was in the show went there on a field trip. Like that's their field trip every year was to go see Les Mis. My history class I guess. And he was in the show that day. I was like, yes my brother. And then I got to stay.

It was like I can get you backstage if you want. It kind of, no I got to like leave, like stay there afterwards and like they all went back to school and I was like cool. You were like I'm not going back to school school. I felt so cool. Thanks Nick. Finally made me feel cool. I wanted to say eldest child to eldest child. First of all not a big deal but you arrived first today. I always arrive first. Of course you do because I mean congratulations having an older brother who's keeping it together but the... Definitely not keeping it together, but the...

Definitely not keeping it together, but I'll be on time. But the eldest child, and you guys are basically, you two share the middle section, because you were the baby until... Right, oh yeah, we share the middle child. For those that don't know, we have a younger brother, I'm Franklin Jonas. Franklin, it was born like eight years later than you?

Eight years,. Yeah after me He's incredible. Yeah, he's but he's you know Took away's I was originally in the middle child and then now he fucked it all up Yeah, he took everything from both of you. I mean, you're not the baby. You're not the middle. Yeah, I don't know what I don't matter I know you're the second afford. There's literally no name for it. I have just a younger brother. That's it. So I'm the eldest. Eldest sister. You guys don't have any sisters to like keep you, like keep your brains functioning basically. Yeah, it's a lot. It is. It's a lot of boys.

It's a lot of boys. But now we all have girls so it's, you know. That's right. So it's going to be a whole thing. God is fair. God is fair Okay, we are gonna talk about your new record, but I want to talk about New Jersey Mmm, cool. So many good singers from New Jersey So many good bands from New Jersey and people and people some people tell us about your hometown

Wow, we are home place called Wyckoff, New Jersey We I still live in New Jersey. I never really got out. It sucked me back in. Of course. But no, growing up in Jersey was the first time, we did grow up in Dallas as well, in North Carolina and Arizona. We moved around a bunch with our family.

But New Jersey is where we like was home, where we were growing up. And when I think, it's the first place I remember feeling like riding bikes, seeing houses, like kids playing in the yards and like, it was like. The first time you saw houses? Seeing houses. Oh, we lived in, yeah.

I'm sorry, it was just a really funny way to put that. I meant to see like white picket fence house, like the American dream. Yes, I've never seen a home before. First time I've ridden a bike to a house. But yeah, there is. We're supposed to do the show after I've ever had a like, tall house. But yeah, there is. You're supposed to do the show after 12 o'clock? And like, you know.

Yeah, but you're, where you're, like your hometown, and it's the name of your new record, like, it means something to you. It's like, you know, like they're saying, like you can't take the, you can't take the Wyckoff, New Jersey out of the boy. Like, you, you, you, it's's a year like a homing pigeon or something. You do end up going back to some version of it or deeply rejecting it. It's like one or the other. That was one of the things that we talked a lot about

because we're also gearing up for the tour, which represents our 20th anniversary of being a band. I know, congratulations. Thank you. It's been a wild ride. but one of the things in just talking through creative that we initially sort of butted heads on and then we found the sort of solve for it emotionally is like, not everyone has a great relationship with their hometown, to your point. Yeah. And not everyone has a great relationship with their family, but one of the things that

we're I think most grateful for is that our fans have chosen this family, meaning our family, but also each other. And you see it at the shows and they really band together to say that even if your relationship with your hometown is complicated, even if your relationship with your family is complicated, you're safe here, in the same way that we felt safe, you know, in our hometown growing up and with each other. And it's a pretty incredible thing to look out and see now that sort of multi-generational effect of the fan base. Yeah.

And how it stems to some really deep touch points for us, both with our roots in Jersey and our musical roots, speaking of some of those legends from Jersey. Okay, I want to talk about the tour because I'm obsessed with how people act on tour. You have all toured at various stages of your life. And let me just say, congratulations on 20 years. I think when people think of you because they met you when you were young, they still think of you.

And by the way, this is gonna be great as you get older. People will always think you're younger than you are. But they knew you and met you when you were younger. And I don't think they realize the amount of time you've been performing. 20 years together is a huge milestone, and it's awesome. And you've now, I'm sure, gone out and toured in a million different ways, and tours probably

feel different every time you go out. Now that you're this age, what does touring look like to you? What do you do, not do, saving your voice, going out at night, what does it look like to you? What do you do, not do, saving your voice, going out at night? What does it look like? Wow. I think it changed a lot for us over the last five years. Our most recent tour we went on, it was celebrating five albums.

Yeah. So we were trying to play five albums in one show. It's about a two and a half hour show. Wow. We did a lot of medleys, so we were able to make the time. But it was a lot on our voice and just physically exhausting. And we played, I think, 100 and some. 100 how many?

I don't know. It was a lot of shows. It's really impressive. Incredible. And thank you. It is. It's so nice. And you start to realize you're not in your early 20s anymore.

You have to really take care of your body. And so for me, I was like not drinking before shows. You start to realize you're not in your early 20s anymore. You have to really take care of your body. So for me, I was like not drinking before shows. And then trying to get at least six, seven hours of sleep. We also all have kids, so we have to be up, we want to be up in the morning. Six or seven, that's not enough. Not enough.

And then after the show. Pretty hungry. It takes time to kind of like wind down and decompress. The high is so Way longer like I'll be I could be asleep within an hour like on the plane There's so many photos of Joe has a music. Oh, you know yeah, yeah, it's just one of those things I'll watch a movie. Yeah, but Nick will be up till four or five in the morning just because could they come down Yeah, just you know you my mind's like racing after the show about how they could be better

Everyone together and you give them no yeah, no yeah the notes take a while to most different for me Hours of notes, I think the thing that's most different for me is like I've spent a little bit more time Like after this last door I noticed it even more so, but like working with someone like a therapist to help me understand that coming down from it all, like after a big project like that, like being in the midst of the touring, I was so in it for so long that I feel like coming the, the come off, it can be so dramatic as well.

It's almost like everyone says, like talk about like the show blues, like after you do a project, like the next morning you wake up everyone says, like, talk about, like, the show blues, like, after you do a project, like, the next morning, you wake up and there's, like, you know, like, kind of depressed. Well, it can be the same for me, at least, my personal story about, like, after a tour. Yes, of course. Re-acclimating can be difficult.

It's so interesting you say that because, you know, I wanted to ask you, like, your relationship to fame. You've been famous for a long time, and that's a microcosm of the bigger idea of like sometimes success or things that are successful or just like big giant serotonin bursts and like cortisol dumps and all that stuff. Like it is a roller coaster to come down from.

Well, I think redefining for myself is redefining what the goal is. And redefining what a win is. Because things change constantly about about what success means. I think now for me, success means enjoying my time doing what I love, and no matter what the outcome is, as long as we're doing it together,

as long as my family is with us and enjoying that, and they're happy, and that's a win for me. Obviously you do want milestones to happen but like that's the bigger picture. Yeah. You know it's easier to say some of these things and truly believe that you have a grip and a perspective on how to maintain some sanity and then functionally you get into the weeds of life in the public eye and traversing all that is complicated about it. I think it's just about, you know, trying your best to, and

it's going to sound so cliché before I say it, but trying your best to be a kind and thoughtful person while you're dealing with your own shit. That's absolutely right. And I feel the older you get, the more you realize, the less you know. Like you're like, oh, I actually am less certain. And there's some freedom in that too. Totally. But you're fine with fame, Joe? I'm actually really good at it.

Yeah. I don't really understand what they're talking about, to be honest. You get it. I don't have no problem. It feels like I do. Like literally like every time. I know, it's so funny. Like I'm always like feeling totally fine.

We can hear you guys. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I... I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I actually told them to say all that. And I will add that the why, kind of what you mentioned earlier, that was also on that tour that we were on. I think more so, after a while, you're like 60 shows in, you're like, wow, this mountain

that we're going to climb every night and I'm tired, or you're going through something really crazy in your personal life and you feel like, okay, well, how do I navigate this and also try to do a great performance? I mean, as a person that goes to very few concerts because they're too late, they're too long. I'm with you, honestly. I don't really like, I have a hard, I cancel a lot of concerts. What do you think is like the sweet spot?

Okay, well, now look, there are exceptions. Like, of course, Taylor's incredible. Her show, of course, it's incredible. Bruce Springsteen, incredible. Like, these shows that should be three hours and are incredible productions. But unless you're going that big, I can't do a two and a half hour concert. I'm so glad. I'm excited because it's just too long. And I want to hear the hits.

I don't know why someone is mad at me when they don't play the hits. I'm like, why are you mad at me? What happened? Why aren't we hearing the songs that we love? You got me out of my house. I got in my car. Or I was driven there. And also the standing. I mean, if car or I was driven there and all the standing I mean if everyone could just take a seat Great it would be if everyone took a seat. No, I will say yes

I understand from the audience perspective, but I think from a momentum perspective for us I feel like that would be a that would be a But what if everyone agreed everyone was like hey, we're gonna have a really good time, and we're not. We'll stand at the end. No pressure. You know when you go see, like, I saw Fleetwood Mac, and it was like, the first three songs, like, ah, and then the audience just collected, it was like,

mm. Incredible. And they're like, they got it. They got it. And no questions like, guys, get up, it's Fleetwood Mac. No, they're like, guys, I love Fleetwood Mac, and I gotta last. I gotta last. I gotta last.

I gotta last. I can't stand up for an hour. Like, what am I? It's too long. For an hour. Yeah, for an hour. Are we waiting in line for something? Yeah, am I at my granddaughter's wedding?

What's happening? They have those things that are wearable seats now. You can just flip it back and just kind of stand and sit. Are you serious? Yeah, it's a thing. Wearable seats? Wearable seats? Yeah. You stand and sit? There back and just kind of stand and sit. Are you serious? Yeah, it's a thing. Wearable seats? Wearable seats? Yeah.

You stand and sit? There was a whole bit of this. I just watched it at Silicon Valley. Did it like a whole bit about one of the guys who had a wearable seat. And he was like hated him because of it. I would totally love that. It's basically like a backpack that is, yeah.

It's like literally like, it looks like, and he just like kind of flips his butt back and like sits. Honestly, if I can get a seat, it changes my whole night if I was at a show and I and I had a seat I'd stay another two hours coming in your mail tomorrow No, but I mean but but I I do like as a as a person who goes and watches performances and you know It's funny comedy and music have an interesting Like we're kind of cousins. Like, I know you guys are big fans of comedy, and you're very funny, and you've come and

done SNL, and you have a great sense of humor about yourself, and you love funny people. And I feel like that happens a lot with comedians. Like, comedians are like, man, I wish I was a musician. Like, I love the feeling. Like, there's just like they they understand each other sometimes Yeah, what is your relationship to comedy? How important was it to you and like, you know early in our career we had no traction going on the music yet, this was like 2005 and six and YouTube was kind of new and it was a new and exciting way for us to connect with our fans and

kind of new and it was a new and exciting way for us to connect with our fans and we were teenagers with a flip camera whatever it was and we were just making funny videos and we always like you know loved and admired great comedic actors and and I think probably just had a ton of confidence and obviously no comedic chops. But it was enough specifically this side of the table, no comedic chops. But we really used that as a way to promote our music. And then eventually when things started to happen with Disney and everything else, it became a lot more structured and there was like writers and all this kind of stuff and it was like a whole new world for us.

But it was, I think, really empowering and exciting was that they listened to some of our ideas and allowed us to infuse some of our own voices into the characters that we played and the various projects we did. And then so when we, yeah, we got the call to do SNL. The first time we did it was Valentine's Day 2009. It was wild.

The host was Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin was the host. He played the fifth Jonas Brother in the skit, which was very funny. Yes, he did. And how old were you when you did that in 2009? I was 17. Dang! 22. And it was, yeah, it was like one of our biggest dreams come true.

And there was this really wild digital short that we did with Andy and the guys. I was just listening to, I listen to the Lonely Island and Seth Meyers podcast. They were talking about it today. Oh really? Oh really? Cool. Yeah. They were talking about it today.

On the way over here, they were talking about how fun it was to do it with you how you guys and it came out of the like Stupid songs you guys would make with each other. Yeah. Yeah, we had a Idea of doing some 80s hair metal band called property of the Queen Great name, by the way Incredible looks in that in that in that. Oh, yeah And then they let they built this whole story out of it I'm so far. Tay was playing guitar with you. Yeah There's some and I think Bill was like playing a wizard

The wizard the whole concept which was the the brilliant unlock of it So all we had was like a couple of really dumb songs that we want to do something with and this idea to do like an 80s Wizard and so and it was like so 80s metal band. Ask the wizard. And so Andy was like, so what if, what if you guys are like, you know, time travelers or vampires or something and Bill is this wizard who's granted you this wish to come back in time to play SNL on Valentine's Day 2009. And I catch you.

Yeah, and he catches us in our con. It was very funny. Yeah, it's so good. What was the love song? Our Love is Like the Great Wall of China? Our love is like the Great Wall of China. You can see it from outer space. So good. That's so dumb. Do you guys make up dumb songs all the time? And when you're, do you sing other people's music? Yes. What do you sing with each other like I have this this theory? Yeah, it's it's not a controversial one, but it's it's a litmus test for me of if a song could be a hit okay And it's if you can spoof it. Oh, yeah

Oh, you can make it anything else we have with that and it works like we have a song on new album called I can't lose I can't lose, but I keep saying I can't poop I think it should be a Pepto-Bismol ad or something. Well, But the next line is when I'm with you so that we'll have to figure that one out. Maybe it's like a date. You're on a date and it's awkward. They're anxious. I can't poop when I'm with you. They're on vacation. That's so funny. That's just specific actually. On vacation.

Well, yeah, that's a real thing. That's a thing that people deal with. How do you flip around songs that are out right now? I know what you're talking about. When you get into a song and then you start singing it a different way. I mean, you're kind of weird, Al, for a better...for a shorthand. Yeah, and I think that that's a sign...he did pick hit songs to do. Do you harmonize two other people's songs when you're together? Like...

Yeah. You just want to... You just want to sing with us, don't you? Yes, because I feel... Okay. I am... We tried to blend this. I'm an okay singer, I'm fine, I'm not good, but I'm a pretty good harmonizer.

But... I feel like I want to challenge myself to see if I can get in and create a fourth part. Okay. Love it What should we sing? How can you stop the rain? from falling down That's it Thanks, it's like a middle middle part I love that song. It's a great song. Great song.

In fact, your, sorry, what's the name of the single again? Is it up here, Jenna? No Time To Talk. No Time To Talk. It's in my email. Okay, I wanna play it. Oh, you have it in your email. Yes, it's so good!

And it has a nod. It's an interpolation. That's what they would do. So, crazy story with this song. Started writing it like seven years ago. Really? And just assumed that it would never get cleared by Bee Gees and Barry Gibb. And finally, top of this year, I pulled it back out of the vault.

And I was like, we need to finish this song. Yeah. This is special. And so I teamed up with Julian Minetta, who I started it with, who worked on a bunch of Sabrina Carpenter stuff last year. He's killing it. And Steph Jones to help finish the lyrics. And then basically we sent it to Mr. Gibb,

who had come to shows with his family before and just been the absolute best company and really supported us early in our career and spent some time with our father and talked about the industry and all this stuff. So we got word back within a couple days that it was approved and that they were excited about the song. That's awesome. We have a collab with Bee Gees.

With Barry. I mean, the Bee Gees were really big growing up for me, and they were like very famous brothers who also, like you guys, had... Good hair. Great hair. Just incredible hair. The flow. Just incredible hair. And that's very cool that Barry was...

He must have been excited about your interpolation. Interpolation. Interpolation. So yeah, the song's just come out, very excited about it. It's a really good driving song. Off a new album, Greetings from Your Hometown. Oh, they gave you an old edit too, you're listening to. This is an old edit?

Yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah, use it. We gave you an exclusive, well, somebody was like, I can't understand what you're saying, Joe. And I was like, I can understand what I'm saying, and they're like, well, we can't. You have to re-record it. So I had to re-record it and... Well, on behalf of people that like short concerts... No, we didn't use it. We stick to the original. Because... Must have been off that email. We felt it was... It was not... It didn't sound as cool as when you were mumbling.

When you were mumbling. I'd like to know what you're saying. Because I can't understand it. And I want to sing along. I'm saying side to side when your hands are holding up top of it. Joe does not know what he's saying. Side to side. When your hands are holding up top of it.

You throw some babies and ohs in there and it like works I was just really listening to cake by the ocean the other day actually and It's also kind of hard to understand what you're saying there, but that worked out just fine. Do you know what you're saying there? Maybe that's another sign of a good song if it's a mumbler. It's a worker. Well, I think most people don't know yeah, I constantly mumbler, it's a worker. Well I think most people don't know, I constantly will see people in the audience be like, I'm a mumble, mumble, mumble, and they can't buy the ocean. That's usually how it goes. Yeah, you just gotta get to there. Yeah. I think that flexibility and being able to pivot and also having a good sense of humor

about yourself is why it's like longevity in the business. And I do feel like you all have that. You just have to keep pivoting and you have to stay kind of flexible and you have to have a good sense of humor about yourself. Did you learn any of that stuff when you were like young and because a lot of people that come to SNL, if they come from having experience at Disney, we would always say that what they knew how to do really well was work hard and be professional. To be professional is a learned skill.

People don't know how to necessarily show up to a set and figure out how to hit their mark and how to be prepared. Those are learned skills. And that was always the case with a lot of musicians who came through the show, who had that. Did you feel like you learned stuff like that there when you were there? Definitely. The thing that Disney and working with Disney on, you know, Camp Rock projects

or our TV show, the word it really taught us was work ethic and the ability to be on a set. We had, you know, we'd never and the ability to be on a set. We had never done anything on a film or TV set. And it's a really good training ground. Now, it doesn't necessarily prepare you for deep character work, but that's not really what it's there to do. It's really fun, entertaining stuff for a certain demographic.

And I think in our late our maybe in our like late teens when we were sort of aging out of playing high schoolers and stuff and then you know obviously in our 20s there's there's that moment where you kind of embarrassed by it or you're like oh man we're known for this thing. Thankfully we've been able to you know make career moves and things where we can look back on that fondly and I think it it marks a chapter in you know our' life now who have grown up too and their kids are being introduced to it. And those people, just like the song is for them, those people don't want to feel embarrassed about the stuff they used to like. I mean, that's the thing is like we all when we were younger,

like really invested in things at that tender age and we cared about it. And you guys were around for a lot of people's tender ages. And now everyone's growing up together. And it's like, why do we want to go back and be mean to the younger version of ourselves? Like we're just trying to figure it out. Guilty pleasure is a bad word in my house. Ooh, why, why, why? It's two words.

Well, yeah. It's like, it's because it's like you should be allowed to, yeah, thanks. This is what I do at the concierge. This is brothers. Get him. Get him. Uh, yes, Nick, it's two words. Try to come back from that, bro. Like, he's literally sweating.

He's never gonna come back from that. You got this, eldest. Here we go. It's been fun, thanks. We're with you. Guilty pleasure's a bad word. Guilty pleasure's a bad word. Because it's, guilty pleasure is a bad word.

Because the word's, uh, because it literally is. Defines who you are. You could be, you should be allowed to like what you like. I totally agree. I love it. I think it's fun to think about when you were a kid, the things that you're into and that you still love. And there was a season where you were like nervous about it.

We used to go on a school bus with CDs and tape cassettes in our hands. And back then you'd like kind of be shy to like show what you're listening to. Now it's like through Spotify, you can listen to everything and you're like, it's everywhere, which is nice. And it's not like a big deal that you're listening to

this style of music and that style of music. And there's, you know, it goes into other weird things. Also in a totally different context, you know, I was to have this conversation with some people the other day, which is like, it's so hard to get anything made. Totally. Oh, dude.

Yeah. It's so difficult to get anything made, produced, put on a platform of any kind. Yes. And it just feels like we don't have to use a blanket statement like it's objectively excellent. It can just be good to whoever is receiving it and wants to digest it. You're absolutely right. And also, don't you feel like now that you're like you've spent 20 years making things that you really are just I mean I find myself being way less. I mean when you're a teenager in your 20s

There's a lot of black and white like I'll always I'll never that sucks. That's great You're trying to figure out your taste and who you are But as you get older you do and you and if you're lucky enough to make things you really do feel like Oh, there's something interesting there And I like how that was made and I know that was hard and I can figure out that process and I understand what they were Trying to say there, but maybe it didn't hit there like you just understand the complexity of making things. Yeah, it's so different Can I put you in the hot seat for a second always I have a question about Things that you you you've done you did that when you look back on sir anything you like in the moment

you're like this is silly and You know people are laughing, but did it feel like This is annoying to be happy doing this bit that they're enjoying and I'm personally like not oh, yeah I know what you mean. I'm like that was the most like Yeah, like is yeah, I think like especially as an actor You know you're you're worried that the way you enter the business will always be the way And it's like will I be typecast like I I remember when I first started I was doing all these crazy characters like I played this Young sister of Conan O'Brien on like late night late night with Conan O'Brien. Like, I was like a nut.

And then I would get cast a lot as just this, like, you know, really, like, intense person. And then I did a lot of movies and TV shows where I was an intense person with lots of energy, like, just kind of forcing people to do things and I was good at it I liked doing it and but then I would worry sometimes am I just always playing this kind of person like am I always gonna be seen as this way and you know even just being like a starting in sketch like it was like well people just always think of me as this kind of way and just like you said it started to become less the thing I worried about

and more the thing I was just proud of. Because I learned so much from it. I got to do so many things because of it. And as long as you believe that you are not limited, then you're not. You don't have to, you know, it's basically just like other people's opinion is none of your business.

Totally. It just takes a long time to get there, I think. Actually after I did SNL one time and somebody said, I mean it was exactly what I needed to hear. It was one of the writers who said, hey, just don't try to be funny. And I was like, oh, that's, that like hurts in the moment. But then it's like, but that's so accurate. It's funny.

So you don't have to jam it to be funny. And it was like so freeing. And then I stopped worrying about like, am I being silly or am I being this? I'm just, you know, saying the words that are already funny. That's the vibe I get from you guys is your confidence and just like goofing around and being funny. That's the vibe I get from you guys is your confidence in just goofing around and being funny. And I mean, it is. It is. It's just when you get out of your own head and you're just,

but it takes some time, I think. I think that's what comes with age. Well, you're in my favorite movie ever. You know that. OK. Our favorite. He talks about it. They talk about it.

It's a framed poster that Nick has in his bathroom. OK, so I want to talk to you about something. So we do this thing at the beginning of each podcast where we talk to people who know our guest and we kind of talk well behind their backs. And we, and I, and I get to know the guest a little bit and I kind of prep for the guest with someone who knows them. So I talked to Jack McBrayer. Okay, I was about to say.

Ah, love Jack. He texted me yesterday. Loved him. That's pretty, yeah. And he's, you know, I didn't tell me that Ah. Love Jack. He texted me yesterday. Loved him. That's pretty, yeah. And he's, you know. He didn't tell me that you spoke to him. I have a lot of friends, but there's only one Jack that sends a birthday video to you

every year, no matter what. No matter what. On your birthday. And it's like, I have like people I see like every day that don't do that. He, in fact, when we were talking, he said, I only have one birthday today. And I realized like, this is a full-time job to keep up with everybody. It's a thing thing and people should know We have the same birthday. We have same birthday

September 16th Same year Shannon same year Molly Shannon also has a similar. Yes, right. Oh You know, I set up her Instagram That's amazing. This is a real story. I'm sorry. That's amazing. Tell us about that. This is a real story. I forgot about that. That's a great story. We were at Sundance Film Festival, like in 2016 or 17, and we end up at this bar, we're having a few drinks talking, and she's like, my daughter really thinks I should go on Instagram. Do you know how to do it?

I was like, yeah, give me your phone. And so I set up her thing, and it's like the official superstar is her name. Yeah. Because we were like a few drinks in, just like, what should we say your name is? Incredible. And it's like stuck. Do I, yeah, I set up a... That's cool.

And that is very... He still runs it. And he has the password still. Yeah. So texts and photos and videos, and saying, hey Nick, can you get this up in the next hour? And Nick's like, I have two shows today, like I don't have time for this. She's like, ugh.

Damn it, Nick, get it up now. So Jack is such, like, he just loves you guys so much. And Jack and I laughed because during deep COVID, when no one was going out and everybody was wearing gloves and masks and meeting each other in the driveway, Jack came to my house to have me sign a They Came Together poster for you. Because he said it was interesting. It's amazing. It's things we do during COVID. Also, like, it's not like I'm, this isn't like a bit. Like, it's legit.

It brings me the most joy of any movie I've ever watched. I love that movie. For people who don't know, Paul Rudd and I did a movie that David Wayne directed. So good. That Michael Schuhlwalter and David Wayne, was a parody of a rom-com. And it's brilliant. I did a movie with Paul last year, which comes out either this later this year or next year. And the first day on set, I was like, I have to just ask you how this happened, what's the story? And he kind of gave me the load, I was like, a table read or something,

then you guys did the movie. But my point about it is like it's not just one of those like hilarious, quotable movies. It's really smart. Mm-hmm. And like it makes... I feel like it's a lot of the comedy that Tim Robinson's doing now too. Yeah, like it's sort of ahead of its time. It's so good and I do have the sign poster and Jack didn't remember that he was in the movie. And then we're at a friend's house

hilarious Glenn Powell's house with Coriolis Street I heard you guys are friends with Glenn Powell Yeah, and and I'm like have you guys ever seen they came together and everyone's like no, let's watch it and Jack's like Oh, I'm in this movie Now was that real or was that a Jack bit? No, I think he legit forgot that he was in the movie. He's super famous and he works a lot. And he was in like playing basketball, he might have forgot.

That scene is so good. There's a hilarious scene in the movie where it's just, you know, it's that moment in every movie where the men are just trying to figure things out. Over a game of ball. And they each represent like a different point of view. I'm the married guy. I think you should stay with... Swish!

Swish! They're basically talking about dating and they're just like speaking, you know, just saying their exposition out loud. Now I'm the guy that doesn't think you should commit and they're playing terrible basketball. It's so good. My other favorite scene is when you guys are sitting in the coffee shop and he's like, hi, I'm on the phone and you're like, let me try. And you can't do it. When you're ordering the coffee, that's the long thing.

He remembers your order. Do you want to get a moffy with key? I know the whole movie. It's so good. Wait up, would ya? Hey, big brother, slow down. Max Greenfield is so good. Okay, so Jack had a question which is at which So is so cute and so Jack but his question was like what are y'all's conflict style?

Like how do you how do you figure out arguments? Like how do you three of us? Yeah, like when you argue some people like to Withdraw some people like to tease some people like to argue argue like how do you what is your con conflict style? It's interesting. I feel like it ends up being It's it's some combination of two people are fighting the others just like sitting back watching observing and usually how it is Okay, or mediating playing referee or mediating or it's just like, go off. Like, do your thing. Get this out. Is anyone a yeller? None of us are really yellers.

We can be like, defensive, reactive. Anyone a punisher, like a silent treatment person. Nick a bit. A little bit, yeah. I think that's like a, maybe I'm wrong with your retraction. I think you're just trying to work through it. Work through it, yeah. Not like, I'm not doing it on purpose. Yeah, you're just like, I'm gonna go over here and maybe I'm I think you're just trying to work through it. Yeah, not like I'm not doing it on purpose Yeah, you just like I'm gonna go over here and work. Yeah, I'll come back. Yeah, and we'll talk through it

Yeah, and I'm reactive. I've always been that way. I try to work on it all the eldest. It's hard. It's my life You know, um, I wonder my struggle Thanks, Bungie reactive, I just snap back. And I don't always mean what I'm saying. Well, you have a tough job. It's very hard being a therapist. Thank you. I appreciate talking to you so much.

Someone finally gets it. They don't understand. No, I work on it. It's hard. But I also have a very, I have anticipatory anxiety about things. Big word. Told you I was working on the job. Yeah, you're killing it on the words.

I'm working with the therapists. Yeah, you're all over the map today. Yeah. I'm right. So you're thinking ahead. Can't count words. But that's because, I would argue, you're thinking ahead. Yeah, you're all over the map. Yeah. Yeah, I'm right So you're thinking and count words That's because I would argue you're thinking ahead of like you're just wanting to make sure like I'm gonna future trip So I can be safe in the future. That's exactly right. And I also I think through it in the negative Okay, cuz I like a little bit of a catastrophizer Yeah, it's about what would happen if I said this and they're gonna react this way and then I go this way It's like it's that mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I'm dealing with it. Sometimes. I love that you're joy

The character yeah, I'm literally just I'm like you're saying this in my oh my god This is a script you reading a script right now You know, it's the whole way you broke that down, like, to protect yourself. I'm like, this is the plot for Inside Out 2. It's true. It's so true. Inside Out 2 is insane. I watched it with my daughter, and we're both crying for different reasons. It's so good. It's incredible.

You're in all my favorite movies. Including my Subway commercials that I love. Thanks. Thanks. Let's give a shout out to Subway while we can, and we'd love for them to give us... I literally heard it this morning. Subway as in... Like the sandwich? I was saying, yeah. I heard it this...

The New York Subway. I heard it. New York City Treasurer. I'm just trying to get the New York Subway up. Give them a little bit of a boost. A little notoriety. Yeah. I heard you this morning as I got out of the shower.

I was like, I'm gonna see her later. But there is something about... I have two sons. I think that relationship with brothers is really, like, really beautiful and cool because exactly what we saw, we just see like in this hour is the way you gently tease each other, the way you kind of keep each other. I got there. I think, sorry, I'm going to interrupt.

Yeah, no, please. Just say we had a superstar mom too, so that we still do. Okay, what did she do that? She, I mean, four boys in one home. She me what you think it is. We had a superstar mom, too. So that we still do. Okay, what does she do that... She, I mean, four boys in one home, she was the boss, you know. There's just... And also, understanding how to be nice guys to women. And growing up, just like... I think we needed a loud voice like her to be able to control us and also make sure that we weren't like pieces of shit.

So I think that was important. But I think also like, yeah, brothers are, boys are so different than girls. I know. I watched, like, I watched my kids on the playground and I'm like, it's like delicate. And then this kid would be like, and just like dive off the top of a slide. And you're just like, that is a boy. Yeah. I mean, your frontal lobes close later. I was just gonna say that.

Yeah. No. His is still working on him. But yeah, I mean, what is the best, I mean, I know you've been asked this a million times, it is, what is the best thing about working with your brother? Like being brothers, working together, what is the best part of it? There is a built-in safety net that it's not to say you can't develop with

friends and co-workers and all that but but they need nothing from me I need nothing from them, but just real connection and love and and respect and and We're we're family like we're blood. So it's just, it hits different. It makes every high, super high, it makes every low a little easier to navigate and the mundane stuff in between becomes even more fun because you get to do it with two people that you not only love and respect,

but you genuinely have a good time with. Yeah. So that's my feeling. That's nice. I mean, I'm the same way. I like to fail or succeed with someone. Yeah. It is amazing.

So, last question. What are you guys listening to, watching, reading, playing that makes you laugh these days in these like very difficult times where life is pretty rough and the world is hanging on by a thread. What do you do to like check out or laugh or make yourself? I really enjoyed the Four Seasons show on Netflix. I liked that a lot. I interviewed Will Forte on this pod, which, and Tina, I think they're like, I love watching them together. So funny. Yeah, it was great. So like, cozy, cozy shows. Comedy.

Yeah, that's not always my, I mean, I love the studio. I think that was so good. The studio was great. So funny. So funny. And it was so good. The last two episodes were ridiculous. The cast is insane. The cast is, Catherine is... The cast is insane, too. The cast is... Catherine is on another level. Oh my God, it's so good. That character.

So great. And Heidi is incredible, too. I've just been like... I restarted watching all of Nathan for You because I watched... I hit the rehearsal, which I think is just so brilliant and messed up and insane. And he finds the most interesting people. It's just so great. Did you watch the new season?

Of rehearsal? I'm watching it right now, the second season. Okay, so I... The woman that talks about... It gets me very stressed. Oh, of course. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I have...

It's just... There's like a mirror neuron thing where I get like very nervous. He just will keep asking questions and he knows what he's up to. I was at a restaurant recently and he, I saw him and I, when I see somebody that I really like I think I love their work, I don't want to say hi but I'll like, may I send them a drink or maybe just whatever they're eating and whatever, can I send something and I don't

need to say hi. I'll sometimes try to leave before. And I saw him and I was like, oh my God, like I love him. I have to like, I'm going to send him, I send him a drink, him and his friend, and about 30 minutes later, the waiter brought over a dollop of mayonnaise and handed it to me, and they're like, this is from Nathan, and I look over and he goes,

and he goes back to his, and my friends are laughing so hard, I'm like, guys, he wants, don't laugh, he wants it so bad. And he was really kind of, and he walked over and he's like, did you get my gift? The waiter said that she went to the chef and was like, she's like, I think I may have put my job in line because I asked for a double mat and the chef was so mad. It's a pretty nice restaurant was so mad. She's like, please please She's like, but I think both of you are really great and I just was like this will be a story

I can use forever. So she did it. She did that. I'm glad she Have we learned nothing from the bear we need to give the customer what they want exactly exactly exactly chef. Yes chef And what about you? Kev? What do you I am currently me and my wife we go through like long-form like sitcoms Like that have like 900 seasons. We just like started as like feel good So we're in the middle of Big Bang Theory again. Oh Just so good. Love a rewatch a simple rewatch. It's a simple rewatch. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna let you guys go You have this was so great. Thank you so much. That was really really I love this lovely. It's a blast. Thank you so much for doing it. What a good hang

It was a good hang and thank you for singing with me. I feel refreshed. And put that out as a single and you just talk to people about it. Yeah. All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

Thank you, Jonas Brothers. That was so great. Kevin, Joe, Nick, thank you for being here on a two-show day and letting us hang with you and watching you hang with each other. You guys are a lot of fun and I really enjoyed this episode. And now it's time for the special part of the show, the polar plunge. And this particular plunge is brought to you by Laneige and the Lip Sleeping Mask. I've been using this lip balm during the show. And guess what? Now they are a sponsor. It's an overnight leave on lip mask powered by Korean skincare

to soften lips while delivering intense moisture and antioxidants all while you sleep. I mean, I just can't, I just can't say how much I love it. I mean, I actually do use it. So, Lenez, thanks for, for stepping up. Okay, now it's time for the Polar Plunge. We talked about music and going to shows. And I just want to say again, if you're an artist putting your set list together, cut it in half. We want the show to be shorter. Yes, there are great artists who have three-hour bodies of work that we should go and see and

support for the most part. My favorite show is a fast one. You know what I loved? I went to the Hollywood Bowl a couple years ago in Los Angeles. I saw Billy Joel. The show was an hour and a half. We all sat down the entire time. And I sang all of his lyrics because he's easy to understand. So thank you, Billy. Thank you to everybody who sat down. Let's just get that, let's normalize sitting down during shows. And thank you, Jonas Brothers, for all the shows you're going to perform all over the world. Good luck on your tour.

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