Good Job, Brain! - 2: Once Upon a Gruesome Time

Episode Date: March 12, 2012

We dish about classic fairytales along with their more scandalous and gruesome folklore origins. Find out what "Rapunzel" actually means, and learn why Charles Dickens hates Hans Christian Andersen's face. ALSO: Pop Quiz, how to memorize pi, "First in Line" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast. Hello, fellow fabulous foxy friends. Welcome to Good Job, Brain, your weekly quiz show and offbeat trivia podcast. This is episode two, and of course, I'm your humble host, Karen, and along with me are our very clever and comical crew of co-host contestants. Nice. I like alliteration. And here we have

I'm Colin. I'm Chris. Dana. It took 25 takes for Karen to get through them. Sorry. I like alliteration. It's nice. You're setting the bar for yourself. I know. Then I have to make one for every show now. Right. All right. So last week, I asked

you guys what was something interesting you guys learned. Today I'm going to ask you guys, what were you doing when you were 17 and what year was it? Colin? Oh, so I was 17. It was 1991. Yes. What was young Colin up to? What was it like in those days? Well, in these pre-internet era. Well, you asked us about 17 and of course I, you know, my first response was just to Google 1991 because that's how lazy I am, even with regards to my own life. And I was looking around.

And it reminded me that that was the year that Pee-Wee Herman, Paul Rubens, was arrested in a Florida adult theater for pleasuring himself in the presence of police officers. So that's what you were doing when you were 17 college. I was keeping up on Paul Rubens. Okay. Well, you have to imagine, I mean, remember, like to a 17-year-old boy making, you know, I mean, it had porno theaters and masturbation and Pee-wee-Herman. I mean, it was the jokes right themselves. Kids TV start, yeah. And that was a big deal.

So, but in looking over, I had a pretty good time trying to find the actual name of the movies that he was watching. Because I was thinking it's a trivia show. I got to tie it back. So this is, so I did discover. Wait, these are the names of the porno movies. These are the movies that were playing in the theater when Paul Rubens was arrested. Yes, this was a triple bill. This may come up as a trivia question at some point.

The movies. Now, I don't know if this was in order, but it was Catalina 5-0 Tiger Shark, which, again, it doesn't sound like a porn. No, it sounds like a B horror movie. Maybe with Jaws-ish. Like a directed DVD movie. Sounds like a car model now. Right. Yeah, there's a new to you on sci-fi channel, right.

Apparently, no. Nurse Nancy. Sounds more like a porn. Easy to guess with that one. Yeah, you had me a nurse. Okay, yeah. And then turn up the heat was the rounding out the triple bill. That could be anything.

That could be, yeah. Turn up the heat or turnip the heat? Yeah. It's veggie porn. It's veg. Turnip colon, the heat. Turn up the heat. Turn up the heat.

Turn up the heat. Yep. Yeah. So that was a little, just brought me back there to be in 17 and remembering all the Peebee or Herman jokes that I cannot remember now. When I was 17, I had just gotten, I mean, I got a job when I was 16. And so, I mean, 17 was that of the first year of, like, actually, like, having, like, hundreds of dollars to spend on things. Because I had no actual, like, living expenses whatsoever.

So I had bought a Nintendo 64 with my first paycheck in 19. But now in 1997, the era was 17, I got a PlayStation. And, of course, this was like, PlayStation had come out a couple years beforehand, but it really hadn't hit its stride until about then. They lowered the price to $150, so it was really kind of an impulse buy. And, of course, they brought out the all-important games, Final Fantasy 7, which was huge. And Castlevania Symphony of the Night was also a big kind of early PlayStation game right at that moment. So I was realizing A, that the Nintendo 64 was not really going to have that many great video games on it, unfortunately, because Nintendo was like bringing out one game every three months for this thing, and that I was going to need a PlayStation if I wanted to continue to play games.

You want to be a serious gamer. Yeah, if you wanted to be a serious gamer and keep playing all the cool things that were coming out, it was like, that's it. That's the tipping point. And, of course, it was the same way for a lot of people. So, yeah, I was in my glory, if it was a Sunday afternoon in 1997, I was probably playing things on the PlayStation. Nice. When I was 17, it was 1997 as well. And I actually had a Savage Garden fan site on GeoCities. Nice. Oh, sweet. I was super into it. I was part of their community.

Did it have white on black text? Because that's just, yeah. And I used frames. I was so excited that I figured it. I know. It was such a bad practice now. At that time, though, it was awesome. Yeah, you had it have frames in your website. Yeah, that's what you did. It made sense. You could fast load things into the center. So, yeah, they're truly madly, deeply album,

played a big role in my life when I was in high school. And so creating the website consisted of copying from other Savage Garden websites mainly, right? Just downloading the pictures from other sites and posting them on my site. When I was 17, it was 1999, and I was trying to teach myself the dance moves from TLC's No Scrubs video Nice Along with I think that's when I also first got

Dial-up Internet I played a lot of Tetranet Which was a versus Tetris game Over Dial-up And that's what I was doing 17-year-old Asia

And so the reason I'm asking About our 17-year-old memory Yeah what's the point of this To embarrass ourselves But also recently in the news, a 17-year-old girl from Cupertino, which is nearby within the San Francisco Bay Area. So, you know, obviously, we weren't really doing a lot of studying.

We're goofing around. This girl might have found the way to cure cancer at age 17. Wow. No. I know. What an overarching. So her name is Angela Zang, and she just won the grand prize at the Siemens competition in math for like a hundred k that's the prize money and i don't know 100k seems a little bit not enough to get to the girl here you go she's only 17 she doesn't have any like living expenses really right

not yet she me up to her neck and playstations though oh you're right you know she basically got herself some sort of internship or lab time at um the the Stanford labs and other okay oh I don't know what lab is just going to let a 17-year-old. Yeah, that gives the interns access to the cancer patients and the lasers. And just be like, screw around with this and see if anything happens. Let me know. We lost both patients, but she did a really good write-up. Yeah, exactly.

Her report was the margins were excellent. The media has been calling it the Swiss Army knife of cancer treatments. Wow. Because it can be adapted, right? So really, she invented a way of delivery treatment or cancer. chemicals or medicine. Way to go. Go, Angela.

I know. Good job, Angela's brain. All right. Okay. Now the popular girls will finally talk to her. Aw. I'm sure if she's a cool person. She's awesome.

Time to start off the show and jump into our trivia segment, which is Pop Quiz Hot Shot. Choose a random trivia card here. Do we have buzzers? We do not have buzzers. And a lot of listeners actually wrote in suggesting buzzers. I ordered some. They're on their way. Buzzers are in the mail.

Yeah. But for now, I mean, I'll ask you guys to make fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How is that? One might say. Yeah.

Can I be a... That's clearly a bell. That's clearly a bell. All right. Only buzzers. Yeah, only buzzers. Sorry. All right.

First question. Blue for geography. and oh god this is so easy what body of water does the Nile River empty into Mediterranean Sea correct Chris Kohler good job all right pink wedge what did Kurt Cobain infamously wear on MTV's headbanger ball oh it was a it was a cheerleader outfit right Or a dress, was it? Correct, it is a dress. I knew it was a cross-thressing.

Good thing you remember to buzz in. Oh, yeah, sorry. You cede your point if you don't. So the dress. Anybody else can just get it. There is an explanation. Oh, thank God. Cobain said that he was dressed for the ball.

Because it was the headbangers ball. All right. Okay, yellow wedge. What product did Coca-Cola introduce in 1985? Chris Culler. New Coke You are correct I thought it was going to be Diet Coke

No that was earlier Wait Diet Coke was earlier than New Coke I believe so yeah well first of all they had Tab which was the first I believe or Like sugar-free Coke Tab was yeah it was diet and there was diet right And then they did I think they did Diet Coke after that But they had tab for a while

But I was I was 80% sure on that one Okay yeah All right Good job. We're all a bunch of Coke experts. We call us Coke heads. One might say. I love the brown stuff. Purple Wedge.

What pair of artists wrapped the Reichs tag in fireproof plastic fabric in 1995? I don't even know what Wrights have. It's a pair of artists? So it's, yeah. So it's, it's Christo. It's Christo who's the one who gets all of the press. his and his partner. Banksy.

I'm totally blanking on his partner's name. What is his wraps? They do like the big environmental concept art. So, you know, he did the umbrellas. He did the ringed islands. He did the rap the right stag. He's done running fence. He does these large scale

environmental pieces. I like how you're trailing. I am staring at you like I don't know what you're talking about. No, I know it's one of them is Christo. One of them's got to be Christo. I can't remember his partner's name. Christo and Jean-Claude. Yes, I was going to say Jean-S something.

Okay, all right. It took. Oh, actually, I did. I watched a documentary about art collectors, and they were on there. Oh, darn. Okay, green wedge science. What is the world's fastest growing woody plant? Bamboo.

Bamboo. What is bamboo? Correct. It is bamboo. Some species can grow. up to a foot a day. Wow. And I actually want to tie into something I watched recently.

On one episode of Myth Busters, one of the myths that they want debunk was apparently, and you know, I'm Chinese, I've never heard of this, but there's some old Chinese torture method where they would tie people to the ground at a bamboo pasture or wherever it grows bamboo and tie them down so that bamboos can grow through them just through them through all of them just through all of them and what did myth busters say that it is possible it was creepy I saw that one too they had a they had a fake human person and bamboo just boop and it's not a fast no pain delivery method it's a slow-growing one it's when you really really want to torture someone

It's more of the special. Special ones in your heart. All right. And last wedge question, orange. The U.S. Senate officially named September 2007 a National Heritage Month in honor of what liquor? Bourbon. You are.

I would guess that's, yeah. Yes. That sounds right. Did it say bourbon? It's bourbon because it's American. Yeah. Go America. Go America.

Woo. Good. Bourbon. And here I also have our Kickstarter backer questions, PopQuist questions, and this one is from Matthew Yip, from British Columbia, Canada. His question is, where was the 1988 Summer Olympics held? 88 summer? Oh, that was in...

You have to buzz in. That was Seoul, right? Correct. Oh, there you go. South Korea. And Matthew says that this question means a lot to him because this was the tie-breaking tournament winning question that he answered on his team for their junior high trivia tournament.

Nice. Still Matthew. Having lost in the final game the year before, this was very sweet revenge for Matthew. I know all about it. That is awesome. I just remember the mascot, and I remember it was a really cute tiger.

And Matthew, tying back to our Coke head or our Coca-Cola expertise, he says that he will order a non-Cola drink if the establishment doesn't serve Coca-Cola. And Pepsi will not do. I like you, Matthew, because I'm the same way. I'm Coca-Cola all the way. You don't feel like it's a slap in the face to the server because they're, I feel like they're operating it.

Yeah, because they have to say if you say Coke and well, is Pepsi okay? They say it slowly. You know what? Forget it. Forget it. I'm sorry, that is not okay. I'll just have water, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't insult me. We have to, we feel like we need to make a correction to our last episode. In a new segment. In a new segment that we're going to, that Dana's going to call. Um, actually. Um, excuse me, I have a few quibbles. I believe you'll find to be in error. Oh, that's good.

So a lot of people wrote in and not to be nitpicks, but, you know, to tell us... No, nitpick. That's our job. Absolutely. That's part of the fun of being a nerd is correcting people. Pick all the nits and send us the nits. So last episode, we asked what Gaff gave to Decker,

what three origami pieces that he gave to Deckerd in the movie Blade Runner. And the answers were a chicken. a dude with a boner and a unicorn and actually the dude with a boner is not made out of origami that's right it's a match stick it's a match stick that Gaff

sort of just split some arms and legs and boner off of and leaves for Deckard so so it is it's chicken and the unicorn our proper origami made out of paper but the match stick man is is a stick man it would have been I feel like we should have

we should have anticipated this because it would have been very difficult to fold a dude with a boner, like an origami, had a piece of paper. Well, it is the future. That's not origami. That's not origami, though. It's three legs and one. I feel like you can figure it out.

Open to interpretation. Match sticks, it makes a lot more sense. Yes, but someone let us know on the website. So, thank you. Thank you. Actually. All right. So good job, everybody's brains.

Let's get into our topic of the week. something that we're all kind of obsessed with and it's all about the dark the freaky the salacious and the twisted facts and origins of classic fairy tales fairy tale my favorite fairy tale is the one I live with wonderful you all you know we all grew up with fairy tales from children's book from TV, from shows, and especially Disney movies. But in reality, the original version and variants of these classic stories usually are so happy or filled with talking animals or song and dance. They don't even have happy endings most of a time. Well, they're happy in the sense that, you know, when you're a child and you're living in the

1600s, your life is not that great. And basically these stories are like, look, I mean, okay, fine, your life sucks. But aren't you glad that you don't have it this bad? I think also, you know, a lot of original stories weren't necessarily meant for children. I mean, we think of them as, you know, fairy tales and children's tales today. But it was really, it was for everybody and just happened to sort of fall down to being told to children. Right. We have three big camps in terms of fairy tales and they're authors, right?

We have Hans Christian Anderson and we have the brothers Grimm. Yep. And we also have Charles Pearl. Charles Perot. Whose were tales are also the Mother Goose Tales. It's essentially what we wrote Tales of Mother Goose. Right, right, right. So Hans Christian Anderson is a little bit dear to my heart because I lived in Denmark and he's Danish.

He's one of the celebrated sort of national treasure. He also spent a lot of time meeting other authors as well, including Charles Dickens, right? Yeah, my favorite story. It kind of illustrates maybe how weird Hans Christian Anderson is. And so he stayed with Charles Dickens for five weeks once. And I think that was longer than Charles Dickens thought he was going to stay at his house. Because after he left, he put a plaque in the room that Hans Christian Anderson was in that said, Hans Anderson slept in this room for five weeks, which seemed to the family ages.

And he stopped talking to Hans Christian Anderson after that. Oh, man. That would have been an awesome sick. I would have loved to see that. sitcom, yeah. That old Hans. Full house, basically.

Yeah, Hans and Chuck. Uncle Hans. Hans. Hans Christian Anderson also had a really odd death, I believe. Yeah, I read this when we were talking about him earlier, and I think I heard this before, that he died by falling

out of bed. And so I... No, he was 70 or whatever. To be fair, true. He was. He was 70. He didn't have like that. I fall in and I can't get up. I know. Life alert.

He didn't have life alert. is falling out of bed one of the things that you can check off on life alert I'm allergic to falling out of bed and they come for you like whatever oh not the medical alert sorry right yes he needed that but no yeah he died from injuries injuries sustained from falling out of bed yeah let's not laugh what an old man falls out okay it's pretty funny and we also have the brothers grim who are who I don't know if they actually wrote original material or they did they just go ahead and collect a whole bunch of folk tales and repackage them.

That's essentially, yeah. I mean, that's essentially what it seems like they really did. It was a lot about collecting, and not that they presented that they weren't collecting, but they collected a lot of folk tales from Germany. And, you know, I think they, not pretended, but it was believed that a lot of them were from the countryside than they really were. They were from more middle class people than I think. But the point is, yeah, they were folk tales that they kind of collected and repackaged

and took out a lot of the original violence and sex and mayhem and kind of sampling. And put in more violence and sex in mayhame. I mean, they really did put in a lot, they left a lot in. That's true. That's true. That's true. Let's talk about what we think, the Disney, let's say just the Disney ending, versus what really happened in some of these original or other variants of this story. Because because these come from the oral tradition, there are so many different variants of these stories that, you know, the things we're going to talk about here may have happened in a version that you're reading or they may not have.

It's covering our eyes. We know these have common roots, but yeah, but I think, yeah. So one of the shocking ones for me is definitely Snow White and the widespread, the well-known Disney version of Snow White. Snow White ate the poison apple, and the dwarves made her, fashioned her a glass coffin. She's lying in the coffin. Prince walks by, whoa, cool, hot girl in a glass coffin, decides to keep. give her a kiss and she wakes up and they live happily ever after in the real version or in the

original version um the prince does find her and she's still dead he actually takes her dead body with him on his horse and it was the the bumpy ride of the horse that finally wakes her up from the poison apple and she wakes up and she's like hey You're a prince. I'm a princess. Let's get together. And he's like, oh, you're not. Wait a minute.

You know, to be fair, he might have kissed her when she was in the coffin. Oh, yeah. Right. I just didn't wake her up. Yeah. He might have done other things. What was he planning on doing is really, I think, the larger question here. Yeah.

Where were we going? No way. Oh, I'm rescuing you. Yeah. Obviously, the, the, princes uh the prince his his intentions are definitely questionable and actually in the many many of the old versions of snow white the queen was punished at the end and she was subject to wear these hot iron shoes and dance in the courtroom until she died maybe this is a little bit tmi but the first

porn movie i've ever watched accidentally watched when i was a kid because i was channel flipping was a porn version of Snow White. How long did it take you to realize that it was, this isn't... Immediately. Ever since I was like, oh, that's cool. And then I realized she was like milking a cow and her

blouse just fell off. And I was like, whoa. I'm getting cold on there. So like we said, some of these stories come in many variations. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, you know, and then talking about Hans Christian Anderson, Brothers Grimm, you know, I think probably the other sort of the third big pillar is Charles Perrow

and who did the Mother Goose writing. He gets a lot of credit, I think, for Cinderella, really popularizing what we know is sort of the main Cinderella story that's turned into the Snow White. And, you know, his version is not that far from the Disney version. It's Cinderella, you know, the kindly father has some stepsisters from new marriage. They treat her like crap, make her do all the housework. And essentially, she ends up going to the ball and the prince has the slipper, tries to fit it on at the end. Doesn't fit the step. sisters does fit Cinderella rides off into the sunset. Yay!

Yay! Happy ending! You know, the Disney definitely added the mice and a lot of the stuff with the elaborate fairy godmother, but a lot of the other stuff really, you know, sort of goes back to Perot. Yeah, he, I mean, he really is the guy who added in a lot of the sort of fancy stuff like, you know, the fairy godmothers and it turns into a pumpkin and all that kind of like elaborate kind of stuff, yeah. And really making it more sanitized and appropriate.

But the Grims, you know, their version, which sort of Perrault, borrowed is a general I was a way of putting it. He was, yeah, he remixed it. He was, my understanding is that he was really a contemporary of the Grim. Yeah, yeah.

I think it's more fair to say that they both had common sources. Yeah. So in their collection they had Ashen Poodle, the Ash and Poodle, which is Cinderella,

Ashen Poodle, yeah, but essentially the same story. I just think of a really dirty poodle. I do. Ashen Poodle. A gray poodle. But his version is the one where in trying to fit

the slipper onto the feet the stepsisters are hacking off their heels and cutting off toes to get them to fit in the slipper. And it's only when the prince notices, wait, there's a lot of blood here. Something doesn't seem right. The things you do for beauty.

Sometimes our shoes are just... And that's something that, yeah, definitely didn't make it into the Disney-Fide version or didn't even make it into Perrault's version. That reminds me of... Do you ever watch America's Next Top Model? Yes, I do. Yes.

So, like, Tyra would yell at the girls when they're wearing shoes that were too small for them or too big or too tall. And she's like, you just have to model through it. Yeah. Oh, because the models don't get to choose what size when they're down the runway. Yeah, you wear whatever shoes they have.

Got to work it. Yeah. Hack off that heel. Keep smithing. Smize through the pain. Oh, and then, you know, Karen, as you pointed out when we're talking about this, at the end of the the more traditional earlier versions,

At the end of the story, the little birds pluck out the evil step sister's eyes. At the wedding. Yes. As a special wedding present for the bride. They just can't get a break. Or make her wedding awesome, depending on your... They already lost parts of their feet, and now their eyeballs got plucked out. They get come up in many different ways, yeah.

Well, we really like the movie Tangled, so obviously I did a little bit of research into the story. Rapunzel to see how that was different than the Disney movie. And actually, the Disney movie does take a lot of elements from... the brother's grim version of Rapunzel. But let me ask you guys this. Do you know what Rapunzel is? Hair? Some kind of vegetable. A plant. It is. Very good, Dana.

It Rapunzel is a real. It is a real plant. It is edible. And that is from whence the title of the story came. This is actually something that is sort of echoed in the Sanhai musical Into the Woods, which uses a lot of the kind of original elements of the of the grim fairy tales that it kind of incorporates into its own story but originally the the repunzel story began in the in the disney movie it is the king and the queen and there is a plant here too but the king and the queen the queen is giving birth but she's going to die in childbirth and the only good the only thing that can help her is this magical

plant but the the enchantress who has been also using this magical plant gets all ticked off and kidnaps the baby because the baby now has the power of the plant. This is the Disney version. Karen is looking at me like, this is amazing. I was like, no, this is the Disney movie. Yeah. So, and then she locks her way,

and she has to keep her locked away because she has the magical power that the enchantress needs, eventually a girl meets a prince, prince scales the tower, Rapunzel with the hair and whatever, and then, you know, they fall in love, they get married, the witch goes away.

And the prince in the Disney movie gets stabbed at the end. end, but it turns out the Rapunzel's tears cure his stabbitude. Right, right, right. They cure it, yes. Nothing's ever permanent to the good guys.

Nothing ever permanently affects the good guys in the Disney movies. In the, in the Grim Brothers version, so there's a husband and wife who live near this enchanteress and the wife is pregnant, and she is experiencing

pregnancy cravings. And instead of modern day women who would crave, yeah, exactly, pickles and ice cream and a McChickin and a McChicken, I don't know, She decides that she wants the Rapunzel plants And of course people took

Of course People took the People ate the leaves off of this plant They were sort of like spinach And then they ate the roots Which were like radishes So she has a craving for the Rapunzel plant Who can figure that out

And so the only Rapunzel plants Are in the garden of this This witch, this enchantress Of course, you know When you've got a pregnant wife And she is yelling at you for certain things It doesn't matter if it's four in the morning You're going to get it.

You are going to Walgreens and you're getting the pint of Chunky monkey. It's happening. The enchantress sees him on her security camera and finds out and goes over and says, you know what, I could kill you where you stand or you can give me your unborn baby. And they're like, that's cool. Seems fair. And so that is how the witch gets the baby in the Grim Brothers version. The interesting thing in the middle of the story is that, yes, the prince happens upon the tower.

The enchantress finds out about Rapunzel's amorous trists with the prince is that Rapunzel says innocently one day, huh, you know, my dress is getting a little tighter around my stomach area. I wonder why that is, because she has no idea. Well, you know, what? So they were screwing around. Teen pregnancy, yeah, what? It's teen mom.

What are they going to do there? They're in a tower. it's like the 1600s. There's nothing else to do. There's no TV. Playing Nintendo up there. And so the prints either, depending on the version, it's falls or gets pushed out of the tower

and lands in the thorns underneath the tower and another common theme is blinded. Wait, this dude falls out from a super high tower into a bed of thorns. And doesn't break an arm or a leg, but somehow strategically, two thorns went into his eyeballs and he landed on his eyes.

He took it in the eyes. That's the part of the story that you're having problems with. That's all these other stuff. That he could climb her hair. The physics of climbing someone's hair that totally works. Trading your baby for some lettuce.

So on that what happens? Spinnage to be fair, plus radishes. Which you're good if you saute them all together. Yeah, so what ends up happening is Rapunzel cries into his face somehow and her tears. Her tears again, restore his blindness. Her tears go out as well.

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Conditions apply. I'm going to talk about Sleeping Beauty, which is probably the most effed up, a real versus Disney ending. So in the Disney ending, she falls asleep. There was a curse. You know, handsome prince comes by, gives her a kiss. Well, actually in Disney movie, it was Prince Philip, what's his name?

And he actually fought Maleficent, who was the evil witch who cursed everybody. And she turns in dragon and he kills her. And they live happily ever after. In the real ending, it was actually a prophecy that kept sleeping beauty sleeping. Somehow, I guess, a king came by and saw that she was very beautiful and rapes her. Oh, God. And several times, and we know this because she actually gives birth to two children. But she's still asleep, while she's asleep.

That's just fair. In a coma. That's another way to describe it. Well, it's magical enchanted. And this is just in the woods or where is she? She's in the castle. She's in the castle. Okay.

All right. Okay. And it was, it was. I think a lot of women wish they could just sleep through giving birth. So really, it's a good thing. It's fine. And her kids actually somehow removed whatever magical was keeping her asleep. And she wakes up and, yeah, two kids, baby's daddy.

Cool, let's all get married and live here. Yikes. Yeah. They got married in this time. To it, to the king? To the king. Okay. I didn't think she would be his type when she was awake.

There are a lot of wandering kings and prints. Yeah, it seems like from all these stories, that's all that you do as a king or prince. It's just wander the land, just looking for women in various states of distress. Consciousness. Sorry, no, number one job requirement, roaming. So let's take a quick break for our little mnemonic and tips and tricks section. And today we're going to learn about how to calculate pie to actually not how to calculate pie. Sorry, how to remember.

There's a really hard way to calculate pie. How to remember pie. Draw a circle. And then draw a square. Really hard about it. So this is to remember pie up to seven digits of pie. And actually, it's pretty easy. I like these.

This is the mnemonic. How I wish I could calculate pie. That's it. That's it. How I wish I could calculate pie. Yeah. Well, it's actually, it's a rhyme. How I wish I could calculate.

pie oh and wait how are you calculate you're counting so it's the number of letters each word the digit so how i wish i could calculate pie i'm gonna do it without looking at it three one four one five nine nine two i like that though yeah so very very quick and easy how does the rhyme go again how i wish i could calculate pie Yeah, get the meter right, yeah. How I wish I could calculate high. It's very cute. All right.

Let's jump back into our fairy tales talk and let's sensationalize a little bit. Let's do our top gross or freaky or crazy or gruesome moments in fairy tales. That's right. It's a top four. Top four. Colin, go. All right. Well, so I, you know,

I love the older versions, the little, the less cleaned-up versions. I would say some of the original versions of what we call Goldilocks and Three Bears Now would be my favorite, probably the more gruesome ending. So, you know, so if you're, it's probably pretty realistic. If you were a family of bears that came home and there was a little girl who was eating your crap and messing with her, you would probably kill her and eat her, which is what they did. In the earlier versions, they came home and they destroy her and feast on her entrails. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, they ate her. Oh, they eat her. It's like kill her and eat her. They're bears. Man, I'm sick of eating porridge. Yeah, I thought they're eating, I thought they're like vegetarian bears. They're like vegan bears.

They have a little house. They're like civilized. It's like soylent green porridge. The porridge is made of people too. Oh, man. Well, that's what you get. She ruined their whole house. All right, Dana.

What about you? What's your top gruesome moment? So I remember reading this story when I was a little kid. It was, it's called The Goose Girl. and I remember the ending the most more than the story itself. It was something like this princess was traveling with her servant and the servant is a jerk and forces them to switch places and they make it to the kingdom

and the servant pretends to be the princess and the princess has to be the servant. Basically the royals see through this eventually and realize that the princess is really a princess. So they asked the servant, what would you do if somebody betrayed the royal family? What would you do? And she said, oh, I think you should strip that person naked and you should line a barrel with nails and then drag them through town in that barrel

until they die. I was like, wow. And so that's what they did to her. Wow. The end. And they all lived happily ever after. It took a while to get the blood out of the street. What about you, Chris? Me, I, you know, the thing that I came across in my research was in the, in Snow White. So the, of course, the queen sends the huntsman out with Snow White, her stepdaughter, and says, you know, take her out and kill her,

so I will be the prettiest person in all the kingdom, whatever. And as proof that you have accomplished your mission. In the Disney version, she actually tells them to do this, right, and says, just bring back her heart.

Yeah, heart. So in the original version, for some odd reason, she says, bring back the lungs and her liver. Double proof. Double proof, exactly. So the huntsman takes her out,

has a chain, of heart and uh it's no way to seven at this point not that it really matter you know it's not murdering a child versus murdering a right right and uh the huntsman has a change of heart lets her go goes and kills a bore uh and brings back the lungs and the liver of the bore and gives them to the queen okay and the queen at this point cooks them and eats them what so the queen is not committing that was her plan that was no i mean i don't know if it was her plan or if she just sort of improvised that and she was just like didn't have dinner so all We all have these entrails.

But yeah, so the queen eats them. And it's like she didn't commit cannibalism, but she totally thought she was totally. She had the intent. She had the intent of cannibals or something. Oh, I don't know. What? Oh, okay.

It does make sense just in the sense of like, if I eat it, maybe I'll become beautiful. Also, I always thought it was kind of weird that like that's the proof you need to bring back. I mean, I know it was like you couldn't bring back a photo, but it just seemed, it seemed strange to me. Actually, that would be more convincing. It seems to me that it was the, bring back her heart.

Not that it makes it okay, but if she was going to eat it, at least. It's like, what proof does she have? She can't like, oh, that's what her heart looks like. Good job. You know what her heart is. If she brought back, like, a giant liver, you're like, no, this is not from a little girl. It's like that way not have gone in there. And the huntsman would be like, oh, what, so you're like a doctor now?

I know. She's on the blood of her in me. Why not just bring back her head? Isn't that the best? Well, evidence. Yeah. You don't want, no, you don't want, no, I mean, that would be good evidence. like then what is she going to do with the head?

You can't eat the head. Oh, yeah. That's just absurd. That's not going to go down. Yeah, the heart and lungs is one thing. You ever had someone's head with honey mustard sauce? It's not. It's chewy.

Oh, the ear, the cartilage. That seems like it would be too. It would, because she's still married to this girl's father. Oh, true. I do also feel, I feel bad for the huntsman in the, in these stories of this, this cannot be what he's signed up for as part of his day-to-day work around the castle. There's so many stories where, where, the huntsman or that archetype has to carry these tasks to kill, you know,

babies and stuff all the time. I guess just because they're the ones with the axe maybe is the only reason. They're so weird. It's true. It's true. Oh, man. Okay. So my top gruesome fairy tale ending is probably that of Hansel and Gretel.

You know, the witch, the leering children in her candy house. And we know that in the widespread version, she was going to cook the children oven and eat them. She was going to cook them alive. Well, she was going to, yeah, but she was going to, like, push them in the oven. And in turn, she got pushing the oven and she died. So in an old version of Hans-Long-Gretel called the Lost Children, where it's actually not a witch, it's a devil, the plan to kill the children was a little bit more elaborate.

There is a sawhorse outside the house, and the plan was to slit the throats of the children. and spread them out on the saw horse and just let them bleed to death bleed out for a while I don't know for what maybe for children jerky I don't know I don't know what It buys the meat

I guess you have to do that when you have to do some butchering I knew it was going to be bad when you said She has a saw horse I was like oh God This is not going to be So it's pretty bad It's painless euthanasia

Well this has been a depressing It is a little bit depressing But obviously there is a lot of awesome fairy tale references in pop culture. And Dana, I know you've prepared a little segment for us. Yeah, I have a couple trivia questions for you guys. So buzz in with your... Get your buzzer ready. Get your buzzer ready.

But let me test mine. Buzz it works. What 2005 Terry Gilliam movie stars Matt Damon and Heath Ledger as fairy tale? Woof, woof. Can that be my buzzer? Well, sure. Woof, woof. Brothers Grimm.

Yes. Oh. I love Terry Gilling movies. It was okay. I wanted to like it. Yeah, I like Mad Damon. Okay. What 1998 movie starred Drew Barry Moore?

Okay, I'll finish it, and you can get your turn. And the retelling of the Cinderella story. Ever after. It's a good movie. So, Catherine Hardwick, who also directed the movie Twilight, directed this, two, 2011 remake of what classic folktale? Is that a

fake buzz? Yeah, I was like, ah. There was a 2011 remake of a classic fairy tale. Very folktale. Oh, is it Red Riding Hood? Yes. Oh, that's right.

That's right. That's right. With Amanda Seafreed. Seafreed. Seafreed. Seaweed? Which Olson Twins stars as a witch. Who calls us a popular high school student.

Okay. 50-50 chance. So who buzzed first? Karen did it. I'm going to say one of them. I don't know which one. Mary Kate. It's Mary Kate.

Yeah. I wonder how Ashley felt about that. You know what? She just announced that she's not acting anymore. Oh. Don't they have? Oh, well, she has so many other skills. They have like a clothing line or something, right?

That's their thing. They have several. Yeah. I think they're being taken care of for a long time. Yeah, I'm sure they are. They're billionaires, so I think they're fine. Yeah, I think Uncle Joey's going to be asking them for money, yeah. I think here are you.

Hey, Michelle, can I have five dollars? Okay, last question. Julia Roberts plays the evil queen in the upcoming, or in the movie that just was released, Mirr Mirror, an adaptation of the Snow White story. She plays a fairy in what 1991 movie adaptation of another That is Hook?

Yes, she played Tinkerbell That's right, that's right. Rufio. You are all over these. Yeah. Good job. Thank you, Dana. What actress played a dude in that movie?

What actress played a man in that movie? Oh, well, what? Wait, hold on. What actress? Well known actress. Going close. Yes. Oh.

I don't know where that came. came from she played one of the pirates in hook what the pirate that hook puts in the box like you have to go in the box is glen is glen close i love it she wasn't even on the billing no no no no it was totally secret and stuff that that i don't know if it was totally secret but like yeah she wasn't on the poster yeah yeah check out that scene again it's going it's glen close i'm totally gonna i got trivia i have a segment as well that i would like to share with you all it's a little segment called first in line In line. First in line.

In first in line, which if our readers like it will become a recurring segment, I don't know. So in first in line, we're going to give you some first lines of could be movies, could be books, could be song titles. And you have to identify the movie, book, song title from the first line. There are no prizes. I'm glad you specified that at the beginning. I won't compete very hard. I'll start.

Are we buzzing? I'm going to start with easy. and even thematic and move too hard. Okay, starting with easy. Just to get you guys. Yes, you do have to buzz. Okay.

Here we go. All children except one grow up. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Karen? Is it Peter Pan? It is Peter Pan? Yes. Okay.

I told you. Yeah, that was good. Okay. I'm going to randomize my buzzer. I doubted myself. I'm like, oh, it can't be Peter. We're just talking about it. Okay.

A mile of. Above Oz, the witch balanced on the wind's forward edge, as if she were a green fleck. Was that a buzz? Okay. Yeah. What was it of Oz? Wrong.

Buzz. Colin. Is it returned to Oz? Wrong. Karen, you have a shot at this. You want me to read the whole thing? Yes, please. Okay.

A mile above Oz, the witch balanced on the winds forward edge, as if she were a green fleck of the land itself, flung up and sent wheeling away by the, turbulent air. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Yes. Gregory McGuire's Wicked. It is Gregory McGuire's Wicked.

The last book, the recently released last book in the series, ends with a very similar line. Okay, here we go. That was a good, true question. Thank you. The boy with fair hair lowered himself down the last few feet of rock and began to pick his way towards the lagoon. Lord of the Fly

Lord of the Flies That's good That's good Something told me it was over When I saw you and her talking Something deep down in my soul said Cry Girl When I saw you and that girl walking

That's got to be a song It's not Shakespeare It's not Dickens It's probably a song It's got to be a song, The Walking, Talking. I'll throw out some hints. It is a recently deceased singer who is not Amy Winehouse. We're not looking for artists.

I know, yeah. Just a song. Can you do it? It may be too difficult. Something told me it was over when I saw you and her talking. Something deep down in my soul said, cry, girl, when I saw you and that girl walking. Is it Whitney Houston? It is not.

It is not. Wow, a lot of singers have died reasonably. I'll give you the answer. It is Edda James. I'd rather go blind. Ah. Very famous. Another person in your hand.

Go blind. Blindness. We're getting tougher and tougher. I believe in America. America has made my... That's the godfather. Yes, it is. Oh, he's just right on that.

Maybe that should have been one of the easier ones. And finally, River run past Eves and Adams From swerve of shore to bend of bay Brings us by a commodious vikis of recirculation Back to Houth Castle and Environs Whoa That was a mouthful

Nope that it seems to Just sort of start in the middle of the sentence Yeah In a stream of consciousness James Joyce Yes Ulysses No

Is it a portrait of the artist? You are not correct yet. Someone's going to get it in a second, though. Portrait of the artist as a young man. It's not Portrait of the artist as a young man. It's not the Ulysses. It is his work that is absolutely the most stream of consciousness, impenetrable work.

It is Finnegan's wake. Oh. Okay, well, I mean, that was correctly positioned by hard. Good job, everyone's brains. on first in line. I hope you listeners also enjoyed that as well. Yes, the joyous fans out there are just, I rated us right now.

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