Good News York by Growth Mode Content - GNY EP.111 | Frightmare Farms

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Inside Fright Ma Farms: Bringing Halloween Thrills and Inclusivity In this episode of Good News York, host Mike Ndii, joined by Nicole Ginsburg, production director of Fright Ma Farms in Palermo, New York, discusses the evolution and operations of one of the largest haunted attractions in the Northeast. Nicole shares her unique journey into the world of haunted entertainment, detailing the thoughtfulness and inclusivity that goes into their production, from training professional scare actors to accommodating sensory needs of visitors. They dive into new themes for 2025, the innovative 'Chaos Unleashed' spook feature, and the heartfelt reasons behind creating a safe yet thrilling experience for all ages and backgrounds. 00:00 Welcome to Spooky News York! 00:35 Meet Our Special Guest: Nicole Ginsburg 01:16 The Origins of Fright Ma Farms 03:23 Building a Haunted Attraction Empire 05:32 Training Award-Winning Haunt Actors 09:51 Inclusive and Sensory-Friendly Haunts 17:43 Chaos Unleashed: The Ultimate Scare Experience 19:20 Unleashing Chaos: Iconic Characters and Performances 20:15 Behind the Scenes: Scheduling and Randomness 22:01 New Themes for 2025: Harvest of Shadows and Infestation 23:56 Navigating the Park: Ticketing and Attractions 25:17 The Psychology of Fear: Why We Love Haunted Houses 28:47 Real Life vs. Haunted Attractions: What's Scarier? 29:50 Crazy Reactions: Memorable Moments at Fright Ma Farms 32:33 Final Thoughts and Favorite Horror Characters

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to hear about river cruising and Unirold's 50th anniversary summer specials. Hello and welcome to Good News York, or should I say spooky New York? This is, it's October, we're getting closer to Halloween. So of course, it would make complete sense to have kind of a Halloween-themed episode. We're going to have a bunch of hobbies.

Halloween-themed episodes. But today is extra special. I have a very special guest. I am Mike Brindisi. You can follow me on all socials at Mike B TV. We are sponsored by ads on the go. Get ads on the go.com. Matt is not here this morning

because he was too afraid to do this interview because he's a wuss. I am joined by a very special guest remotely. She is the production director for Frightmare Farms in Palermo, New York. Nicole Ginsburg is on the show. Good morning, Nicole. You look and sound way nicer than someone that scared the shit out of people for a living.

Thank you very much. Yeah, I know. I actually get that a lot. But, you know, when I'm lurking around in the park, I tell people all the time. I do happen to be one of the scariest people here when I'm running through lines or doing other stuff because people constantly like, oh, my God, you scared me. I did my job. That's great. So Frightmare Farms, this has been going on since 2012.

It's in Palermo, New York, kind of northeast of Fulton. It's been going on since 2012, four haunted attractions, 200 plus crew members, 40 acres. I mean, this is a massive operation. This is not your county fair hall of mirrors. Give me a little background on you and how this all started and came together. For me, myself, I work as a live. entertainment producer. That is now what my full-time job is. I get to work all over the country doing live entertainment. And obviously, Frightmare is live entertainment. How I got here is

years of performing as myself, right? When I was younger, I did a lot of theater, a lot of acting, dance. I toured. I had a whole life even before I was 18 years old, right? I got into haunting very, very, very early to raise money. I found that my philanthropy side of me started at a young age, and I learned that haunted houses made great fundraisers. And so I did them for a number of places, including my dance studio, which still runs a very successful haunted house to this day, and was able to kind of get that love for it. And so that love obviously has carried on, That love is now carrying on through even my children, my whole family. And so it got this huge, almost like snowball effects, and it's just continued.

And now, like I said, I am lucky enough to work at a national level with haunted attractions across the country. And yeah, that's how we've gotten to this point. And we just, we're going to never stop growing as much as we can. That's absolutely amazing. Are you, is this something that you were on the ground floor of where they purchased the land or is this they hired you as a production? This has been, we've been building this, myself and the other ownership have been building this for a long time, right? Like this was something we ventured off on, kind of on a whim and was like, let's just try it. Let's just see what happens.

And, you know, since then, I've grown more in this. the business. I've obviously learned more. You know, there's not a book out there about owning a haunted attraction, but, you know, we're writing it and we're figuring it out and having a heck of a lot of fun while we're doing it. But yeah, no, it was it was not something since I was very young going, I want to own a haunted house someday, right? It was, okay, this is really cool. Let's try it. Let's do it. Oh, this is perfect. It's seasonal, you know, but now it is, all right, next week starts 2026. and all of the cool things that we're going to be doing for that. And, you know, so it's, it's 365 days a year.

And I do say five because like I said, my family's involved in it and we even talk about this at Christmas. Yeah. That's so great. You know, it is a huge process to plan for something like this. And I also feel like, you know, you having a performance background, it kind of, you know, not only are you doing something

that you enjoy, it's making money, but you're also kind of scratching that performance, too. Am I right? And, you know, for me, a lot of my creative contribution to it is the scenic design and the set design and that type of stuff, but it's also the performance design. You know, the scares, you know, bringing in new people and teaching them how to be a haunt actor, it's much different than being a stage actor. You're on constantly, right? You're part of the constant show and part of the growing and large story. So it is, that's one thing that I absolutely love is bringing people in that have acting experience.

But I also really love bringing people in that are like, I just want to be scary. I'm like, perfect. Guess what? You're about to be an actor. Like, you know, let's go. You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I was going to ask. I read something here that not only are your actors award winning, but it says here, professionally trained. And I'm wondering what, what is that process like? You know, because my mind

goes a million, you know, I just picture everyone in a line and you're like, now you scream. You, you give me a girt. How does it work? We have a very unique training process. That's, that's so, yes. One, we have in-house, obviously. Two, we have people from all over New York state that are part of this. And they have done everything from acting in movies to acting on stage to even like full-length feature Disney films to being on Broadway. So we've got a large range of people that are involved, but we also have a lot of people that have directed, that have been, you know, taught classes on theater and done, you know, their full gambit when it comes to performing that have helped us create our own unique training sessions. And we do

require that our actors go through our training process. We call it ghoul school. And you have to learn exactly how to be a character. And then we shape it from there to the character that they are as well. That is awesome. And that just shows the level that you guys are at, right? You know, this isn't, hey, everybody dress up and just jump out and say, boo. This is a full-fledged production, live production.

point where we used to, you know, we would hire people for the season and we'd grab a few extras here and there. We've been hired for our season since like June of this year. And, you know, people constantly reach out. And unfortunately, a lot of people reach out in September. And it's like, yeah, we're so sorry. We are fully cast for the season. But definitely stay in touch with us. You know, if you ever, and that's the one thing.

If you ever want to work for us, get a hold of us in April and May. Like, in most of the point now, we don't even put out recruitment as anymore. because so many people are coming to us even just after the season and are like, hey, I've always wanted to do makeup or, hey, I've, you know, always wanted to get into it. And that's one of the biggest things is like, as soon as we hear, I've always wanted to, perfect, we've always wanted to help you do that, right? So we're about, you know, bringing them in, helping to elevate that and helping to educate. On the other side, we spend a lot of investments into our people.

We do a lot of conferences across the country that come with training sessions. We require our managers have certain amount of education when it comes to safety, when it comes to their ability to train and to manage and to lead. We also require that our actors take their extra steps, right, with their training here internally and then we give opportunities for additional training whether it be that they want to get into cue acting or they want to get into certain style of scare acting and we give those give them those opportunities we also bring them to other shows all over the country and let them see you know what what other professional attractions are doing as well well this is such an amazing operation and

I have so much respect for it. I mean, the work that you guys put in in the detail. Speaking of the crew that you're talking about, something that caught my eye. It says, new for 2025, Flightmare Farms introduces flight attendants, which, by the way, I'm a huge sucker for puns. Me too. I love that.

So you have these, it's the best. So you have these freaky concierge crew dressed like flight attendants. But what really caught my eye is it says they're ready to assist with everything from navigating the park and adjusting scare levels. Talk to me about scare levels because I am the worst. I would need scare level zero because I'm like a skittish chihuahua. If someone walks around the corner too fast, I scream. What are what's the scare levels? So something we started doing years ago is realizing that a lot of people want to be around the park.

They don't want to be truly terrified, right? And we can produce scary and we can do scary and terrifying really well. But scary and terrifying is not always enjoyable, right? So what we realize is that we needed to offer something that could kind of calibrate that a little bit more. And we started doing candle scares. They're perfect for our younger audience and anybody that's kind of faint of heart. They get a small candle. And that is to indicate that that person does not want to be scared or if it's at the front of the group, that whole group doesn't want to be scared.

With that said, though, there is times that even that candle is not holding a candle to stopping the scares. So what we do is we bring our freight attendance in to help navigate those levels of scare, and they will actually go in as fear buddies. We really pride ourselves on being that first experience for a lot of our younger audience and feeling safe enough to be in that environment, right? Anybody can scare a little kid. they can. Is it, is it fun? Actually, no, right? Like, why do you want to be part of that person's nightmare? Everybody remembers the first time they got truly terrified. They also remember their very first time that they, like, truly fell in love with Halloween.

And I'd rather be associated with the truly falling in love with Halloween than being truly terrified. Because usually the truly terrified, you can describe where that property was. You can describe what that actor was. But you can't, you don't know the name. You don't know the processes, you know, but I can remember my first Halloween experience and falling in love with Halloween. I can tell you what it looked like. I can tell you exactly where it is. I can tell you down to who even own the property because I got that far into it as a child, right? So there is a lot more value in that, at least in my opinion, than having it be that it's truly terrifying, right?

And they also, that stems off of our initiative of inclusivity. I am a parent with a child with autism. And what I learned really early on is that the world is not accessible to us as a family in many instances. And so we were able to actually take and figure out that there are programs that will make our property inclusive all the time. Yeah. Yes, the sensory inclusion. That was my next question. So the fright attendance are actually an offshoot of that.

That is an additional level of being inclusive and learning more about, you know, what we can do from a sensory level and being able to accommodate at a much, much higher level, right? So all of our staff has already trained. So they fully understand that aspect. Taking a portion of that training and being able to instantly modify the show has been just something for me as a person has been. kind of priceless, right?

Like there's, there is no other way to describe that besides being able to give those memories to families is just my job is done, right? Like when as soon as I hear that once in a season, I'm like, perfect, hang it up, we're good. Let's move on to the next season, like, yeah. What an amazing gesture to do, you know, at this level, you know, in the haunted,

attraction world i've never heard of of sensory inclusion and it's well it's so important you know a lot of times people talk about like their their fight or flight gets it gets activated right so like they immediately like that's part of it right like that's a sensory response when somebody gets into that motion they're like oh my fear instinct is to punch right well there's certain things with that that there's a reason for that, right? There's, there's some sort of event or something that's happened to you that makes you react that way. We actually design our show to the best of our ability, knowing that people do that and try to help, you know, avoid that as much as possible. But with that said, that happens to our veterans. That happens to some of our

older, our older patrons. It also happens to younger kids that have had, you know, things happen them, right? Anxiety, trauma, you know, PTSD all plays into that. And many times people don't know they even have it until they're in that situation. Another factor is epilepsy. A lot of individuals that have epilepsy can't go to haunted attractions. We use flashing lights. We use unpredictable lighting environments, you know, we've figured that out. We've worked with the neurologist that started Culture City and we can accommodate that. You know, and once we kind of got to that point where we could accommodate that. I was like, we can really do anything, right?

Like we can individualize this experience without taking away from others' experience very easily. And all we got to do is have some extra people available that are able to kind of tailor things. And that's where the freight attendants came from. Nicole, I am blown away by how thoughtful you are in all of this. Again, I'm a wist. So I don't go to many haunted attractions.

but I'm aware there are many. Are you, are you guys unique in that? Are you the only attraction that you know that that offers this kind of, these accommodations for lack of a better term? We are leader in the industry on this side for sure. So we have been certified, Centro Inclusive since 2019. I have actually worked with Culture City to work on a number of attractions joining us on that front.

It is, we're working very hard with the haunted attraction association. to push towards making that a requirement for all major haunted attractions, right? Because it is something that is so easy to do. It is very accessible. My crew gets so excited to all be trained on it every single year. They get to kind of wear that badge of honor with it. And yes, I, again, this is my nature is to be in hospitality, but also I'm very much of the mindset of, I produce all of these things across the country for everybody else. I produce at the same level for my own children.

So that kind of goes hand in hand, right? I would, I would modify the world any day for my kids. Why can't I just modify the world here that we have for anybody's child, right? What a beautiful sentiment. That's the weak, scary answer ever. I know, I love it. And you know what you're talking about, like that you're scared.

Guess what? You can still come on our grounds and feel safe. There are zones that just hang out for free and enjoy all of the environment because we do not put truly terrifying things out in the midway except when we have chaos activated, right? We, yes. Whoa. Well, I was going to talk about that too. First of all, this might be the first haunted attraction that I actually go to with my family because, you know, a lot of haunted attractions portray it. as we want you to be scared, we want to scare the shit out of you, we don't care about your trauma, we don't care.

And then you have, you know, you're an adult. So then you sit there and you go, well, I can't act scared. I've got to be strong. I love that you guys. It's a gentle cruising. You start to see the village, almost like a painting. Join me, travel expert Darley Newman and Uneworld Boutique River Cruises L'Ik Bally to learn about river cruising in France. As we have been setting there for decades, we have been able to create deep connection with the local communities. Local connections make exploring France easy. Tune into the Travels with Darley podcast on IHeart

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which is seems like the emphasis of what we were just talking about. What does that entail? A full on activation. There are a number of people are like, I've never seen this anywhere. It is, it is new. It is new. It is a crazy concept that was thought up.

And I was like, let's try it. Let's do it. It is all of our high energy actors that we love and adore. that are, you know, in certain attractions or they're part of our already existing lot monsters. They a few times a night have a very special overlay show that happens in one part of our midway and they just take over. And in that time, it is, it is terror, right? There is all sorts of lights and sounds and extra fog and other effects that are coming out.

And there's, you know, it's chaos. It is chaotic. It is crazy. And then it's done. And everybody that's participated or stayed right there are either like right in the heart of it because they run right in or they stay kind of on the outskirts and kind of watch others interacting or they're like, nope, I hear that that that siren. I'm good. I'm going in line. I'm going to hear the screams from a distance. All good. Right. So it's it's made to be that way. right it's like uh it's like uh it's like the rainforest cafe every half hour they it pretends there's a storm except you just scare the shit out of people exactly but it's also a chance for like we have a couple of different iconic characters and characters that people follow on social media

and tic-tok and you know our socials are really large and they have a large following and they've also got a lot of people that are very involved with it as well and they're fans um but uh two of our scratches and slashes are two of our clown style characters in the primary way and they are they like head up the chaos and many times people are like where are they where are they why can't i take a picture with them you know that has also helped that as well now we know where they are we know when they're coming out you also know that you know once you hear that noise that is your time that is when they are doing that performance piece and then they're around right after i read that's outstanding Is there, are there certain elements or circumstances that somebody knows when to go, hey, it's time for unleashed unpredictability?

Or is it just random? Every single night. I will tell. Obviously, we have a schedule behind the scene. So like, we know what's happening. Sure. But there are times that we add extra shows in. We do it when there's a lot of people on the property or, you know, we know that a lot of people have kind of done at least two of the attractions.

and you know, this is their time they've just taken a break and they're getting food or they're watching the outdoor movie or they're just like kind of hanging out by the fire, right? This is the way to kind of jumpstart that experience again and, you know, get that blood pumping and get ready for that adrenaline rush. That is, is crazy. Are you able to peel the curtain back a little? Like what kind of things go on when this? Yeah. So I will a little bit only because we've started putting it all over social media as well. Okay, I'll just say I don't want you to give it away.

I don't want to be that guy. It is. There's a whole soundtrack, a custom soundtrack that we made. And it will let you know that chaos is released and that it's activated and that be prepared because here is the time. Right beforehand, insider tip, fog will be dispersed into the midway. And you will start to see this thing kind of getting set for it. Yes. And so you'll know that's when the lights and the sound. and all the other stuff are starting. I need this for when my kids get home from school.

You know, an alarm goes off. Chaos about to begin. You do have some other new themes for 2025. I don't know if you wanted to talk about those a little bit. So, hold on a second. Okay, sorry. We've got all sorts of things happening today, even though it's like our last week,

but yeah, so Harvest of Shadows. is what is happening in our labyrinth right now. Our labyrinth is our haunted maze. That is the, it is a usually heavy themed area of twists and turns. And, you know, it's probably one of our more chaotic attractions. And that one is,

it is very lively. It is a lot of energy. And they are having a great time with that theme. Our outdoor trail right now is infestation. And that has to do more with like mutation. and a new fear that I didn't even know that I had of like holes, like the holes and the skin and like, you know. I have that.

No, I had it. I have that. Until like one of our actors walked out and had this great like makeup and prosthetic. And I was like, I don't like that. So that's crazy that you just said that because there was a couple of years ago, my wife was eating a grapefruit. And when she got done, there were a bunch of holes in it. And I just remember I was like, oh, I don't like looking at that.

And then I saw like the honeycomb or like a, not a honeycomb, like a bees nest with all the holes. And I remember thinking that was freaky. And then I was on the phone with my mother. And she explained how she's like, I just found out I have this thing where like I don't like holes. And I said, that's what I have. I've never met anyone else other than my mother that has had that. It's real. It's a real thing.

That you could do an entire theme park of things with holes in it. and I would be terrified. But anyway, I could go down that road, but I won't. So I show up to the park my first time. Is it, is, are you, once you're in, are you guaranteed to see every attraction or do you kind of choose? How does that work?

Once you are here, you have ticketing options, right? We obviously suggest that you see L4. That's the full night of fear with us. But you get to come in, head to right to the box office. you know, we have VIP options available as well as our all four attractions. Then once you're in, depending on how the night is going, we try to help tailor the best show possible, right? So if we're telling you, hey, start with this attraction and with this attraction, it's usually because for us, we've checked that and we want the best experience for our customers. And so that's how you're kind of guided through the night.

There are our super fans that know exactly what they want to do, how they want to do it. And by all means, you guys go right ahead and do that. Our last ticket sells right at 10 p.m. So after that, attractions start closing shortly thereafter. So, you know, we let people kind of do their own thing for the most part and get the experience that they want. That's fantastic. Nicole Ginsburg, Frightmare Farms, just a couple more questions. And we'll get you out here.

I know you're busy. but I'm just fascinated by all of this. Now, I noticed in the beginning of the interview, you talked about how you found this love for scaring and haunted houses. I have other friends and acquaintances that are kind of in this world with you, and it seems like, I don't know, is there a moment, does something happen that triggers it? And once it happens, what is it that drives that love and that passion for?

Do you just love scaring people, or is it the, getting to dress up what what is the the ambition i'm going to give you a really rare answer my love it drive and ambition from it is actually that life itself is really hard it is really scary and there are so many things real things that are happening in this world and for me even when i started i was terrified i'm not even kidding there's stories like when we first started of me going through with like huge things of water and uh flashlight And I was joking, but also serious. I was like, scare me and I'll fire you because I was so scared, right?

And it used to be like their favorite thing to try to do. Now, though, I have learned how to control myself. Like, I can be scared at any point. I know how to like get my body to that point where I can control my stress level and control anger and things like that and be able to just kind of relax and have fun. For me, learning how to do that gave me even more. motivation and fire to keep producing at the level that we're producing, right? We don't sell tickets.

We sell joy. We sell memories. We sell time with family. We sell our creations, right? And we're getting to create and spend time and, you know, do all these other things with people. People that before they come here are, you know, fighting to pay bills are had a really stressful day at work. kids that went to school and are either getting bullied or having a hard time, right?

Whatever it is, we have created something that allows people to drop that right at the door and to come into a world that we help control how they feel at that very moment. That's powerful in so many ways. But that's also why Halloween, I think, has always been important and why so many people are attracted to Halloween, right? It's that one night a year, right? But when you look at it, it is, yes, the colors are beautiful. Yes, this and that.

All of these positive things. But it's usually cold. It's usually rainy. It's usually miserable. Right. However, even those things as a kid, you very much learned how to look past all of that and find the joy in something that's actually scary and something that is actually terrifying and something that's actually supposed to be. not not fun right but we learn that at a very early age and so for me that's my motivation and my psychology behind it is like wait a minute this is a larger metaphor all the way around

and even for myself learning to overcome that fear um really i i saw like a mug one day that was like life begins just outside your comfort zone and i was like huh funny it really does really does right um and so that's why i do what i do and why i love such a great answer and you know it's it's funny because i'm sitting here as you're speaking i'm like you know your competition is almost reality because you know what i'm reading in the news daily is scarier than any haunted house than i could go through or a haunted attraction i was lucky enough to do that an interview um with a very large news station about this um a year or so ago uh regarding you know haunted house themes and trends and you know behind the scenes and behind the industry and um i've had

deeper conversations about this of actually where we help go um because it very much is influenced by real life you know serial killers zombies all that are not scary right now because that's our real life that's our real world however aliens witches and dinosaurs nobody's ever really seen those right those are really scary right right right yeah right not you Not yet. Not yet. Real quick, the, I feel like this is kind of a hack question, but I have to ask it. What is the craziest reaction you've seen from somebody who's come to Frightmare Farm? Oh, my God. I mean, there's always the yellow badge and brown badges, right, that people will get a hot. Yeah, that's not even the craziest. I think one of the craziest is, oh my gosh. I mean, there's always the fall on the floor and crawl out.

There's always the, you know, whatever. We've had people that have, you know, the fear reaction of, you know, reaching out and touching an actor, by the way, don't do that, please. But I think like the most crazy would be like somebody that has gotten so scared, they've turned around and gone all the way back out to the entrance. and just like ran out the entrance and they like couldn't couldn't handle it. Right. Um, but you know, again, that's been years since we've done that. Normally with people like that, somebody identifies it. They're like, nope, here you go. Here's a dump zone. Right. All good.

Like we want you to be safe. Absolutely awesome. Frightmare Farms. Uh, you're going into your last weekend. It's in Palermo, New York. Give us the plugs. Uh, social media. Tickets. We do suggest getting tickets prior to coming on property to help with the weight, the ticket line weight. However, if you want to pay cash or you want to do on site, that's totally fine. We have a large box office. We do accept cash card, tap to pay. We have food right on site.

We've got all sorts of fun shops. Somebody said in a review recently, it's like our own little Halloween city, which is true. We do love parents to just come out and hang out while they're. kids go through attractions. We also love large groups to come out and to scream with us. We are on all of the major socials. We're on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, and TikTok. Our actors love creating content. Shout out to our content Coven, that is a group of people that are constantly producing stuff. And we love having fun. We love interacting with our audiences. We love doing special appearances and parades and other community events. So we are here. We are

local I'm you know I am born and raised here and you know I get the opportunity to work all over the place however my favorite place to work is right here in central New York so we're always looking for opportunities for ourselves for our actors and to just interact and soon you'll be able to scare the hell out of my client employees that would be far exactly um I will say it's been a pleasure meeting you and speaking with you. Is, obviously, you're in Palermo, New York. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere. Is that because it makes it more scary?

Or is that so when people are screaming, nobody calls the cops, or is it kind of a mixture of both? It's kind of a mixture of both. I mean, we wanted, you know, a large area. We wanted opportunity to grow, and that's how we ended up here. Yeah. All right. Last question, got to ask.

Favorite horror character of all? all time. It would be Frankenstein. I'm a classic monster. Really? Yeah. Classic. I love that. Now is Frankenstein the monster or the scientist? Mine would be Frankenstein's monster. Yeah. The monster. Okay. I love that. That is fantastic. Nicole, Nicole Ginsburg, Frightmare Farms. It has been an absolute pleasure. Check them out on all social media this is their last weekend 40 acres of fear 200 crew members for haunted attractions um i i have a suggestion for someone you could hire to scare people vegans they're they look very you know they're very emaciated they're hungry looking all right so i'm gonna go ahead and

plug a movie that my my son is actually in um it is a 44 it's by the vegan zombie and it is a one wonderful film that just launched this year. And you should definitely take a look at it if you are into that because for sure, it's a great movie. It's available on Amazon, YouTube, all the fun things. Yeah. All right. Last, last, last question. Favorite favorite horror movie? It would be trick-a-treat. Yes. Yeah, really. Favorite right-year Halloween movie? Great focus. Yeah, see, I'm learning that there is a whole cult following with this hocus focus. and it's becoming more mainstream today with social media than it was originally. Absolutely.

I'm going to have to check that out. All right, Nicole Ginsburg, Frightmare Farms. Thank you so much for joining us. Happy Halloween. And happy Halloween. And with that, it's Mike Brindisi on another episode of Good News, you're sponsored by Ads on the Go. Get Ads on the Go.com.

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