Gooday Gaming Guests - Amiga CD32 and Atari Jaguar

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Each had a difficult time when released.

Alright so I'm going to do an early system. I'm running low so I gotta figure out what I'm going to do after that. But today we're going to do Amiga 32CD. So yesterday I did Panasonic 3DO and I did CDI, Philips CDI, all in the early 90s. So this is similar, although this one is from Europe. So I knew nothing about it until I got one. I don't have it anymore. I traded it away. My local guy got all my good fun stuff really cheap. Most of it was for trades. But I had one, Amiga CD32. Pretty fun. 32-bit. So we're going to read about it for a few minutes. but I had one Amiga CD 32 pretty fun 32 bit

so we're going to read about it for a few minutes and then we'll do I'm going to do Atari Jaguar that's one I hadn't done all in the same kind of era really awkward

3D graphics at this point 32 bit CD based the origins of the Amiga computer the CD was based on Commodore so some Amiga is a Commodore computer line particularly the Amiga 1200 especially the repurposed Amiga 1200 with the CD rom I aim to capitalize the popularity of the CD again this was out was out in, what did I say, 1993.

So the processor in the Amiga 32, they're really expensive to find. I did sell it for a good amount, but they're worth a lot. And I had a good library for it. So Motorola, so Motorola back then had a lot of chips in a lot of these systems. This is another one. Motorola 6A-E6020 CPU at 14 MHz. It had an advanced graphics architecture, AGA, capable of up to 256 colors on screen. That was pretty big back then.

Initially launched in Europe, Australia, and Canada. It was never officially released in the United States, so I knew nothing about it until I, about a year or so, actually about two years now, I went out and tried to find as many different systems around the world as I could. I'm in debt now doing it in a debt consolidation program.

Two more years ago and I'll be out of my debt. There's no way to learn all about all this stuff because I had to go out and find it. You physically have to get it to understand it a little bit. And there's also many videos. If you type in Amiga32, AmigaCD32, I've got videos of testing them all the way up until when i sold a local just recently all right so it had a sleek design yeah it's pretty cool good design to it uh most common games were lemmings simon the saucer and zool uh it's the 30 part for three could turn or be turned into a full uh with peripherals you can make it into a

full 1200 computer I have Amiga 500 which is fun Amiga 1200 never had those, those are all real expensive I have Amiga 500 though which is pretty cool it's kind of like my Atari

1200ST I have those two are kind of like my um atari 1200 st i have those are all in this those two are kind of similar uh commodore 128 kind of all they all look kind of the same so kind of commodore's financial woes commodore was already in deep trouble when the cd 32 launched in 1994 i didn't know this commodore declared bankruptcy and led to the discontinuity of the CD32 less than one year after the marketing. Huh. That's the same. That's why I do this. Because I learn. So I didn't have a new Commodore. It went out of business.

They had so many fun systems. I wonder why. The Amiga CD32 paved the way for CD-based games. Collectors items. Today the CD32 CD based games. Collectors items today. The CD 32. Yeah it's very expensive.

Super expensive. Despite its short span. Let's just look at the boot process. I'm not going to see. Amiga. CD. Amiga. So the things that aren't produced that many.

Obviously end up being the most collectible boot process I do boot process just because I want to see if there's other stuff going on about it when it gets turned on so it's leveraging the kicks.rom leveraging it's kicks.rom

again Motorola 6AEC So it's leveraging the Kix.ROM, leveraging its Kix.ROM. Again, Motorola 6AEC020 CPU, chipset components, advanced graphics, architecture, and then Paula for audio and others are initialized. CPU is a Kix.ROM, includes the Amiga operating system components an ex kernel kickstart handles low-level initialization CD 32 extensions for the CD ROM initializes the CC's are all CD ROM basis no cartridge or anything there's a mega CD file system CD FS on these had that one for I was gonna keep it all the one this that was gonna keep I had to kind of financially I had to kind of sell them but they were fun for a while kind of like a been there done that now so I

don't think I'd ever get any of these again then I wouldn't didn't really want to play any games on them just wanted to kind of get them to learn about a little bit so now when i'm doing this part i already know them all so i can go back with chat gpt here and get some other things about it that i didn't know uh peripherals you can get keyboards floppy drives expansion module it had expansion module I didn't have any expansions. Even boot non-CD Amiga software. Could even boot

non-CD based Amiga software. Interesting. Alright, so that's that one. Oh, let's see the game library. Game library. Library. Library. How do you spell library how do you spell that one wrong

library of CD32 you don't even need to really spell the modest game it had a modest game library um let's see what we modest game library super frog Zool it's like a ninja guy James Pond 2 fire and ice racing games Lotus Trilogy, ATR, Shooter Action Games, Alien Breed, Chaos Engine, Bashi, Action Adventure.

Oh, they had Beneath the Steel Sky. So if you go to PS5, I would suggest you get Beyond the Steel Sky. That's a newer version of Beneath the Steel Sky. And they're both kind of like an early King's Quest kind of game. So if you know King's Quest or Space Quest or Police Quest, Beneath the Steel Sky

I have yet to get it to work. I've got a copy of the original. A cyberpunk adventure game. Lost Vikings. Simon the Sorcerer. A humorous point and click adventure game. So that sounds like a...

Simon the Sorcerer sounds like a King's Quest as well. Puzzle games. Lemming. Strategy. Marble Madness. Degeneration. Survival, Horror, other Oscar canon. While Steam mostly consists of Amiga, a few exclusives. Liberation Capture 2, Dangerous.

I had a Encyclopedia. Game Complications, six games in one. I think I had one of those. Amiga CD cd 32 game volumes i had some of those too i had a nice library that went with that sale that i gave to my local guy pretty awesome i never really went through all of it but simon the sorcerer let's look on ebay so I'm doing some cross-references here while we're doing it. I don't have one of these anymore, but if you type in, go to eBay here. Amiga 32s are so expensive. Even when I bought it was, but I ended up losing money selling it.

But it was fun to learn about because now I know it. So let's see. It's Sword. let's see. Sword. Let's see if we get anything here. I'm just curious about some of these games that are really expensive. Let's see what this one is. Simon the Sorcerer.

So I'll just throw it into eBay here. Let's see where anything comes up. Simon the Sorcerer let's try Amiga Simon the Sorcerer Amiga let's do that way Oh $1,200 big box Simon the Sorcerer oh I can get it on discs though oh you know what I can probably get this for my I wonder if it plays on the Amiga 500 oh that's actually interesting

I'd invest in that I think so yeah Amiga 500 so I'm gonna get Simon the Saucer uh what did I just saw for $24? $16 Commodore. Wait, is this Commodore 16?

I won't get it now, but I'll get it eventually. I'll get it. It looks pretty cheap, though. So I don't know. Simon the Saucer. Very good. That's pretty exciting. Disc 2.

There must be 16 discs with it. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 discs. That one looked interesting. Oh, you know what I also have for my Amiga 500? I put it down and I can't seem to find it. It's a Gotek. So I can probably just download this as an original. But I would like to use so Amiga 500 came

so Simon the Saucer pretty fun PC, oh the Simon Saucer is in PC anyway there's more than one of them original Simon the Saucer let's see what the back jewel looks like yeah it's point and click kind of see what the back jewel looks like.

Yeah, it's point and click kind of game. It looks like King's Quest. Exactly what it is. Find a well. Cast a spell. Make a mistake. Go to. Make a mistake.

Go to. Yeah. Simon the Saucer. Pretty cool. I've never heard of that until looking through this. $66 on discs. $10 if I get it on a... Can't really afford anything now, but something I might be interested in. But one that's brand new in a box is $1,200 from Germany.

Alright, so let's go... Beneath the Steel Sky. Beyond the Steel Sky is the one that's fun. But it's modern. But you also have to use flowcharts so it gets a little bit complicated. There's, if you've ever played the, I don't know if the first

one was like that, but the newer one, the Beyond the Steel Sky requires flowcharts to interact with certain things and if you it's very confusing but if you if you like puzzle games it's pretty cool because it's got that flowchart element to it so it makes a little bit more wasn't fast it remains all right so we're gonna do uh i'm gonna double back to atari but I'm going to do Atari Jaguar because again that's kind of

in that area and boy you want to talk about awkward 3D graphics oh my goodness alright so let's do I did all the other Ataris up to the 7800 but I didn't do Jaguar so let's do Atari and again

another really expensive system especially if you try to find the CD Let's do it. Atari. And again, another really expensive system. Especially if you try to find the CD. Atari Jaguar History. I've had a few. Of course. More than a few. We sold all of it.

Mostly local. No, actually, most of that stuff I sold on eBay. We sold it. Atari Jaguar History. Let's see what we get here. 1993. Mostly local. But no, actually most of that stuff I sold on eBay. Resold it. Atari Jaguar history. Let's see what we get here. 1993. Yep, so I was pretty close. Yeah, I'm right in there.

64-bit though. It wasn't that popular. I'm sure it'll say. So it was an ambitious attempt to reclaim Atari's place in the video game market. Marked it at 64-bit, but boy, those graphics were bad. Oof. The cyber game that it comes with is so bad. By the 90s,

Atari was struggling, so this was their chance to try to leapfrog to the next. It was developed with dual custom chips nicknamed Tom and Jerry. Interesting. That's something new.

So Tom and Jerry was the chips in there to provide advanced graphics and audio capabilities. It was marketed at 64-bit, though this claim was disputed since only parts of the architecture were 64-bit. The others were 32-bit and even 16-bit. So they kind of fudged it a little bit there. So back then, in 1993, it was worth $249. If you go on eBay now, they're probably like $500. And then if you want a CD, it's like another $900 extra. And you may find a whole system for about $1,000.

So the CPU was only 32--bit Motorola 6800 processor. Most of the ones we've talked about up to now were that 32-bit Motorola in this era in the 90s. Custom RISC processor, capable of handling 3D polygons and advanced 2D graphics. Audio was 16-bit. Controls are really bulky and weird. Had a whole bunch of them.

Sold them. I took apart some of the Jaguars. Sold motherboards. Anything I talk about Jaguar, you can type in and you can see videos of me playing with these. Taking them apart and reselling and all that stuff there's videos out there of me because i think i'm up to almost 7.4 thousand videos so i've got lots of videos out there uh so jaguars were the first console emphasized 3d gaming years before n64 and PlayStation. That's interesting.

It had add-ons. They had the CD add-on in 1995. So this is the early release was a Cybermorph. It was bundled with the console and that was really bad. Aliens and Predators was kind of like Doom, which also was there.

Alien and Predators was basically the same thing. Tempest was suffered from a lack of third-party Kind of like Doom, which also was there. Alien Predator was basically the same thing. Tempest was... Suffered from a lack of third-party support, leading to limited game supplies of only a few hundred. All right. Atari marketing emphasized its 64, but failed to explain the benefits clearly.

The system faced... So I kind of lied a little. Stiff competition with Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo, clearly the system faced so I kind of lied a little stiff composition with Sega Genesis Super Nintendo later Sony PlayStation Sega Saturn which developed fun Jaguar Arctic complex and too difficult to program the programs didn't like it Atari's decline struggles after

that the release of CD on failed to revitalize the system, selling poorly. A failure in the market. Jaguars discontinued in 1996 after only selling 250,000 units worldwide. That's why they're hard to find. Although I had a few of them for a while.

But you gotta pay to get them. The Jaguars now have to sort out the collectible. Has Jaguars dedicated fan base to develop homebrewed games? Oh, there you go. That's something I'd be interested in. Learning about how to make games for these kinds of systems. I don't have them anymore.

But even like a PlayStation 1. I want to make a PlayStation 1 game. How hard can it be now that you have AI to design your your own PlayStation 1 game. And make it homebrewed. Or even like Nintendo Wii. Whatever. So I want to. That's in my future. Here on the podcast.

To learn how to make my own game. On any system I have. Obviously I don't have this one anymore. But that would be fun. And it's very doable. And you go from having an idea giving it to chat GPT or my buddy flash over there at Gemini advanced and tell them I want to do this for game have them kick out the code then learn how to take the code and put it in a cartridge for that system or some sort

of a modified homebrew SD card and then be able to try it that would be fun it's definitely my in the future all right so let's go boot process so these didn't have any sort of fans or anything in them it's just one board let's see boot process so this was general remains consistent from the 2650 278 hundred and later in the Atari ST which I have one of those 1200 so that's so all the boot processors so he gives me a run-down on those again let's go through it in the Atari 2600 was an MOS 6507 processor I'm just running through this quickly. 5200 was the 6502C processor. 7800 was 6502 Maria graphics chip. And then the Atari ST, then the Jaguar area so we had the 6800 had a BIOS ROM the BIOS was called Tom and Jerry chips pretty funny so I'll just like to rom same and then they'll do the Atari drag game library we'll finish on that and then now I gotta come up with my next system I've got other ones I just can't think of them off hand

says it was fewer than $100 officially released first person shooters was Aliens and Predators Doom, Wolfenstein all things I would never play but that's what I grew up on all those Rayman

which is also on PS1. Zool 2. Zool, I never played a Zool. Tempest is really terrible. Radiant is just as bad. Oh, there's some sports games. Checkered Flag, Super Burnout. Oh, that's what I had. I just thought of another system.

I was thinking of that. What was that called? Oh, you know what we're going to do? We're going to do the Apple Pippin apple r i a mark i mark pippin uh which is really fun but there's no way to play any games that i ever had those are super expensive so more fighting games for the jaguar ninja other notable ones cyber morphmorph is terrible, Hoverstrike probably just as bad, and then you had the CDU games, Battlemorph a sequel to Cybermorph

which I didn't know, Highland the last of the moment Primal Rage unreleased titles they were going to do Aliens 2 they were going to do an Indiana Jones Homebrew and Support Jaguar is a dedicated fan that continues to develop and release

homebrew games Another World so that's pretty cool so I'm sure taking the old and with the new would be pretty cool yeah so we're going to do Pippin and then I just ordered something else it's a

GX4000 I had a few games for that and I had a few of those consoles Something else. It's a GX4000. What was that? The GX4000. I had a few games for that. And I had a few of those consoles. It's not an Amiga. I'll think about it. But I'll put GX4000. And we'll do the Pippin.

It's the iMark Pippin. It's a really cool design. But it was like a Japan internet based game. In the 90's. That you just played games on the internet back then where you couldn't just like put a game in and play it at least i never found a way to maybe there was all right so that's my systems for today and then tomorrow we'll come up with something else we'll go on to those two all right so you guys have a good day i'll talk to you later all right bye