Grubstakers - Ep 250 Larry Silverstein and the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 Attacks feat. Mike Recine

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

This episode we sit down with Mike Recine of the "The Sit Down with Mike Recine Podcast" podcast. Basically, the thesis statement of this episode is. 9/11 needs to be properly investigated with an actual qualified 3rd party investigation. NOT a Bush investigating the Bush's. Along the way we are going to talk about some conspiracy theories and their legitimacy in some cases.... wait... where are you going? COME BACK! Seriously, there is some stuff involved with the financial market that gets covered, and let's face it, Larry Silverstein who owned the buildings involved in the attacks, was pulling some pretty shady ass shit, and by pretty I mean VERY. So just give it a listen with an open mind, but of course at the end of the day you're all smart people, otherwise you wouldn't be listening to our podcast. However, the original investigation, was flawed, and I don't think anyone can deny that.

We find people that basically can't make enough to eat before they go into the fields. I don't believe that. I think that you're looking at other places that are not Central Romana. People actually who focus on and who like getting an orgasm never get one. Pull up your socks and figure out what you're going to do. Any chance we'll ever get to be a completely red state? Oh, yeah. Well, the future's always uncertain. But more uncertain now.

And listen, Blue Ivy is six years old. Beyonce, she tried to outbid me on a painting. Everybody in Atlanta right now at the Louis Vuitton store, if you black, don't go to Louis Vuitton today. One, two, three, two. That's why you need to take a meeting with Kanye West, Bernard Arnault. Welcome to a special crossover episode of Grubstakers, the podcast about billionaires, and the sit down with Mike Racine. Happy Labor Day to you and yours. For Grubstakers, I'm Sean P. McCarthy, joined by my co-hosts.

Yogi Poliwal. Steve Jeffries. And so we're recording this on Labor labor day but by the time of its release it should be either on or just after the 20th anniversary of the september 11th attacks and we figured the best way for both of our two podcasts to talk about the 20th anniversary of 9-11 is to talk about a billionaire named larry silverstein he is and was one of the principal owners of the world trade center and he's unique in that no man in history has ever made so much money off having a dermatologist appointment on the morning of 9-11. And joining us in this discussion of 9-11 and this man's life is, of course, Mike Racine

from the Sit Down podcast. Mike, thank you for being here with us. Hello. A surprise dermatologist appointment that his wife scheduled for him. We all know how easy it is to get at the dermatologist in the last minute. They're wide open. But Mike, I just wanted to ask you to start. I know

you grew up in New Jersey, so you lived right next to that woman who saw the two most odd agents dancing when the towers were burning. I did, yeah. She's a family friend. But what are your memories of 9-11 and of your family in New Jersey's reaction to it? Yeah, well my family

is already pretty reactionary. The 9-11 happened and it all just kind of ratcheted everything up. But I just remember a lot of the stupid stuff from my family and people around me. You know, the reactions and stuff. I remember I was sitting in

Italian class in I think sophomore year of high right you know the the reactions and stuff i remember i was sitting in uh in in italian class in uh i think sophomore year of high school we were just about to made iraq right and uh we're about to we're about to made iraq and then somebody was like yeah well you know people say we shouldn't go to war but but you know like they they started it when they knocked our buildings down and the teacher was like, that's right. That's right. And then, like, I remember my uncle being like, yeah, you know, like he came over one day and he was like, yeah, you know,

Al Sharpton says, oh, you can't profile the Muslims. That's racial profiling. But I'm thinking, you know, if somebody pulled me over and saw my name was Brian Sullivan and there were Irish terrorists in this country, you know, I could understand that. Because that's how you fight terrorism. You just pull over everybody, every member of a specific race or religion. That's why it's over. That's why we don't have any terrorists.

That's why we don't have any terrorists. Really good at profiling and being like, well, just get all of them and then we'll figure it out. Yeah, we got all the Irish people to pull over all the muslim people um yeah and then i remember him being like you know uh if i was a terrorist i would tell one of my guys to go get a little prop plane and knock the head off the statue of liberty like i don't know where he got where he got that idea from but then i have another uncle who's like a little more like he's kind of like ostracizing the family he like works at the airport and he like was a musician he's like a bright guy and i remember like he came over for pizza one night and he was like there is no

terrorism it was like a couple a couple years after 9-11 right and my the rest of my family was like how can you say there's no terrorism they just knocked the twin towers down and but looking back i'm like yeah you're right there's no terrorism right They just knocked the Twin Towers down. But looking back, I'm like, yeah, you're right. There's no terrorism. That guy knew. Yeah. You were telling me, Mike, that you contacted your Congresswoman about investigating 9-11. I emailed Nydia Velasquez.

Yeah, when I was 22. I mean, I watched Zeitgeist when I was 22. And I got really into it. And I talked to everybody about 9-11 and how it needs to be investigated. And I did the only time I ever contacted a congressperson was I wrote to Nydia and I said, can you please investigate 9-11? Well, it's interesting, like doing our podcast, we did an episode a year or two ago about the Saudi connection to 9-11. And, you know, I think I'm proud of it. It holds up. But my views have changed a little bit since then, where it's like, like yeah i'm basically i'm not ashamed to call myself a 9-11 truther now whereas like after i went to like college and you know uh started

reading the new york times i was like i wouldn't want this like crazy person label associated with but it's like you know in terms of just discussing 9-11 i think as an introduction for me it's three questions here discussing 9-11 and larry silverstein uh first question is are there unindicted co-conspirators who had pre-knowledge of nine eleven and i would argue one hundred percent without a shadow of the doubt yes there are people who were involved in that attack twenty years ago who are out there right now who've never been criminally charged and are just walking around the second question would be are some of those people were they involved with the U.S. government? I would say pretty certainly yes.

The third question, was Larry Silverstein one of them? And I would say maybe. Or he's just the luckiest man on the face of the earth, which is not impossible. But I think those will be kind of the three questions we go through today, and I'm happy to defend my evidence

or my viewpoints on any of those three. dermatologist was in on it right we found like that's the greatest thing about researching larry silverstein is you get to see democracy and action in youtube comments on any larry silverstein video oh it's beautiful yeah like there was one that was just like i want to know his dermatologist name. Yeah. His wife called and she was like, hi, Dr. Levin. My husband's going to knock the twin towers down tomorrow and he needs an

excuse to not be at work. I love the comments that are like Larry Pullet Silverstein. Perfect. We should like, I guess we should, uh, uh, just starting with Larry Silverstein.

One of the big takeaways is like, you think of like, like when you start asking these questions, you imagine this like dark, like evil cabal who like controls everything and they like, they know what they're doing and they're, but my takeaway is that if there was,

if there was like some foul play involved, this was really sloppy. And it was people who were like, we're going to make so much money. And they're just like, they really didn't cover all their bases they really didn't it does feel like a like um jackpot it's like when a stripper is nice to you yeah start you don't you don't think clearly that's what that's what doing 9-11 was like you know like in those movies where like they're

robbing a casino and like a whole bunch of chips fall on the floor and everyone just scatters and jumps on it yeah that's how i feel by 9-11 yeah the event occurred and people went oh we can make a fuckload of money from this let's do that yeah and then you think like well how many people were involved because because when people start to question it they're like well but there would have to be so many people involved but if a lot of people were like making money off of it then i don't know i guess they would what would be stopping them from staying silent? Yeah, and we're going to talk about this in more detail later. But to me, the most compelling evidence of, let's say, unindicted co-conspirators very possibly linked to the government is

there are three econometric papers published in economics academic journals, which show a high probability of insider trading in the lead up to 9-11 where they were shorting these airline stocks they were shorting the stocks of morgan stanley and some other banks that had offices in the world trade center they were also buying defense stocks that would double in value after markets reopened after 9-11 there were shorts on the s&p 500 index so it So it's like there is a ton of evidence of insider trading in the lead up to 9-11. And it's just like there's no real explanation of that that has ever been put forward. And it's something we all pretend didn't happen.

Yeah, it seems like a lot of these forces are kind of like at odds with each other. Right. You would think that the people at Morgan Stanley would be like consulted if they were yeah it seems like a lot of these forces are kind of like at odds with each other right you would think that the people at morgan stanley would be like consulted if they were going to blow their offices up you know well that's like yeah no my scarface posters in there i was thinking about this like that must have sucked to like work at like morgan stanley or canter fitzgerald and like you just in the months before 9-11 you're walking around you have no idea that how nice you are to the boss

is going to depend on whether or not you get the don't come to work today phone call just like yeah because so many people didn't get that phone oh yeah yeah no yeah but just one other thing on that is like regarding I mean again I think this has the

fingerprints of intelligence on it whether it's Saudi intelligence whether it's Saudi intelligence, whether it's the Mossad, whether it's the CIA, whether it's all three. And the hallmark of intelligence is information compartmentalization. You know, everybody who's involved in it doesn't need to know everything. In fact, it's better if they only know the slightest little bit. There's only a very small group who knows most everything. Most people involved in it are just, they're just told this little bit and they follow out their orders

and they don't really ask questions. And, you know, if Larry Silverstein was involved, I think he falls into that latter category where he didn't really know much. He just knew something was happening and theoretically maybe somebody gave him a phone call that morning, told him, don't eat breakfast on the 91st floor like you do every single day.

Again, Larry Silverstein. He's making himself breakfast that morning. He's burning his eggs. He can't cook. He's like, ah, jeez, the smoke alarm's going off. They have to tell him no you can't call your favorite chef you can't call your favorite chef and tell him not to come to work yeah now he's got it he's got to die like sorry his wife's like what are you doing

he's just like depressed after like nobody can nobody can poach eggs like that man they had to let him burn in the towers he's like he's like making a pop tart like reading the instructions in the box every night joyce every 9-11 he cries not for 9-11 but just the chef that died right yeah he's like oh 9-10 that was the last time i had those poached eggs uh but to talk about a little bit about larry silverstein the man himself the man is still alive. In fact, just two 90 years old.

Yeah. 90 years old. Just two days ago, he gave an interview to the times of Israel, which is definitely the kind of thing you want to do. If you want to dispel those conspiracies about yourself. Yeah. A lot of this episode,

I couldn't really do that much research because it was like, June news.org. Like it was the most anti-Semitic stuff all every day. Right. Right. And, and we, we are on dangerous ground where it was like junews.org like it was the most anti-semitic stuff every time right right and we are on dangerous ground where it's like we might get accused

of being anti-semitic by doing this episode so but the guy's name is Larry Silverstein we're just saying his name yep that's right you know

we're just saying his name and we're doing impressions here and there loosely that are pretty accurate I think yeah oh you know

and then yeah and then my wife told me uh don't go into work so i didn't go to work and i made seven million dollars next question god i love money so much that's that's how he talks listeners can't see racine's perfect smile that also matches silverstein when he talks just like a a smile that says, I got away with it, but also you'll never get me. Right. My analyst told me to short American Airlines. But yes, as Yogi mentioned, like doing some research for this podcast,

trying to do research on Larry Silverstein, you basically run into like all, most all information is either like really surface level like his pr people did an interview with a friendly outlet so it's just very surface level or it's like on a website that links to the protocols of the elders of zion and you know has like a picture of a silverstein eating the twin towers which are like shaped like a a baby that's that's being uh killed to put on be put on the matzah bread or whatever you're like there's got to be some middle ground here somewhere. He's got two forks shaped like planes.

It's a whole thing. But that's what we're doing here is hopefully middle ground. But yeah, so Larry Silverstein still owns Silverstein Properties. It's, as of right now, the fifth largest commercial landlord in New York City. Back in 2000, it owned about 8.4 million square foot of space. It probably owns a little bit more now, honestly. But just regarding the dermatologist we mentioned, we should just say, this interview he gives to the Times of Israel a couple days ago, he says that he decided to rebuild Tower 7, or Building 7, just two days after the event.

And they asked him about why he wasn't there the morning of 9-11. And it says, because he buys, we'll talk about it in more detail. Silverstein buys the World Trade Center buildings 1 and 2 from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. And the deal is finalized July 2001. So like just a few months before 9-11. And the article, Times of israel says in the weeks after the purchase silverstein would regularly meet some of the world trade center's tenants at a

restaurant on one of the upper floors apparently the 91st floor we had breakfast almost every day and he says quote so that morning i was dressing to get downtown to meet with one of my tenants and my wife said you can't go and i And I said, why? I have an appointment downtown. She said, because I made an appointment for you with the dermatologist and that's something you canceled last month and you cannot cancel again. When you're married for 45 years to that same woman and she gets upset, you can't let that happen.

So ain't that the truth? Oh, that sounds like my wife, Larry. All right, case closed. Everything in this episode is conspiracy except this. Yeah. Wives, am I right? Happy wife, happy life. This concludes our investigation of September 11th.

But yeah, and apparently, as we mentioned, his daughter didn't go either. She was usually there all the time yeah yeah supposedly in that phone call he calls his daughter who was supposed to work in building seven and told her not to go to work that day right and that's also convenient they could call out work any whenever they wanted to yeah well yeah well if she wasn't uh her his daughter of course yeah you know when i call out of work yeah they don't care. She works at, like, the Build-A-Bear. That is a pretty funny excuse, though.

Like, yeah, my wife made me not come to work on 9-11. It doesn't really hold up. Like, it's understandable, but as an alibi, very fucking weak. Yeah. What would have been a better alibi? Car accident. Yeah. Fake a car accident.

That's like, if I needed to get out of something, I'd get in a car accident. If you see Yogi Pau in a car accident, it like if i needed to get out of something i i get a car if you see yogi paul in a car accident it's because i didn't want to do something that's all you need to know yeah that's a real ride or die bitch though like she creates an alibi for 9-11 for you yeah you're right for sure yeah i can see why they've been married 45 years he just hires a 14 year old toold to drive him to work. The car accident happens organically. Larry Silverstein is net worth, according to Forbes, as of 2016

it's about $1.4 billion US dollars. I've heard other sources say he's worth $3.5 billion but I think $1.4 billion is a conservative estimate. When you look at the billionaires list, that's like dog shit. Yeah, it's pretty low. It's like, what the hell happened?

Yeah. Between his insurance payout. Donald Trump has more money. Yeah, theoretically he's got more. Well, it should be noted the Forbes magazine net worth doesn't include all the stolen gold from the vaults underneath the World Trade Center. So that bumps him up a little bit.

Even that's not that much. Did he put most of the insurance payout into the World Trade Center. So that bumps him up a little bit. Even that's not that much. Did he put most insurance payout into the World Trade Center and stuff? Yeah, like that's, again, there's disputes, and we'll get into this a little more, but he got like a $4.5 billion insurance payout. Some people say he only walked away with about a billion of that,

which he reinvested into rebuilding the Trade Center. And now, like according to Forbes, most of his net worth is almost entirely tied up in the rebuilt Seven World Trade Center. And now, according to Forbes, most of his net worth is almost entirely tied up in the rebuilt Seven World Trade Center, where Moody's is the primary anchor tenant. So Forbes estimates his ownership of Seven World Trade Center and some other properties is primarily what gives him a net worth

of $1.4 billion as of 2016. It would be funny, like, are you guys familiar with Arm armando iannucci yeah because i i saw death of stalin and i watched uh i'm watching veep right so the whole premise of these shows is like oh the people in power like real they really don't know what they're doing they're all just but it but that guy should make a show about like the people who did 9-11 that would be like a much better show because they are they probably are very like sloppy and they don't they don't cover their trail and uh the funniest thing is about mistakes that guy was that like veeps and was happening during trump's presidency and

so nobody i mean people watched it but it was like life is crazier than your show right now and so his the show he came out with efforts was like space cruise that goes awry because he's like i gotta future proof my next fucking show. No way is the world going to be crazier than this. I'm not a fan of the show. The space cruise one? The Veep. No, it sucks. I don't love it. Some characters are good every now and then.

It's fun to see Matt Walsh get work, but as a show it kind of falls apart. And it is kind of Julia Louis-Dreyfus' fault. I used to do a chunk that was like if that show was better, Hillary would have been president like if veep was as good as breaking bad people would have been like we need a woman in the fucking white house sure yeah it did like uh the original or uh iannucci's original british show is called the thick of it i think it's much better than veep um but like the first season you know it it follows a member of parliament in the

uk and like his staff and he's portrayed as like you know a it follows a member of parliament in the UK and like his staff. And he's portrayed as like, you know, a phony, snaky piece of shit and all that. But it is like they got for the first season, like one of the funniest comedic actors to play this member of parliament. And then between the first and the second season, he gets arrested for child pornography. So there was a bit of a downgrade in quality between the first and second season. Who was the actor? I can't remember his name but yeah

it's just funny watching that show it's like that's going to be a scandal after Trump and after Trump being like John McCain fuck you it immediately expired after that show was done where it was like no one needs to watch us anymore but we should mention also

the pull it. Like this is like when we talk about YouTube comments about Larry Silverstein. This is primarily they're focused on calling him Lucky Larry Silverstein because there is an interview where he refers to himself as like, yeah, I'm very lucky or something like that. And somebody somebody cut it up and played it like six times in a row of him just being like, I'm very lucky. I'm very lucky. But there's that. And then there's this PBS documentary from 2002 narrated by Kevin Spacey, by the way, if you want to talk about intelligence connections. the World Trade Center or the initial steps towards rebuilding the World Trade Center does interview Larry Silverstein and he gives this like kinda bizarre quote that he's never really fully explained about you know I told the fire department to pull it what will display it for you and then we can that

we can talk about it World Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding located north of the slurry wall seven had been cleared faster thanated north of the slurry wall, seven had been cleared faster than the rest of the site, and there had been no bodies to recover. Pelted by debris when the north tower collapsed,

seven burned until late afternoon, allowing occupants to evacuate to safety. I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull.

And then we watched the building collapse. This really, like, doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, he said it in an interview. It was in a documentary. There's no other explanation for what that could possibly mean. Right. Do you think after that he was like, oh, shit. Fuck, fuck, why did I do that?

I thought I was under oath when I was talking to pbs yeah yeah yeah he does seem like in other interviews like very like they'll never gonna catch me on this yeah the way he talks and maybe i'm being fucking a piece of shit right now but it's very like and then you see everything was all right like it's like a very super villain type of voice and just a air of like they'll never fucking catch me. Yeah. I mean, as someone who also has anxiety,

I kind of like, you know, identify with him and I understand where he's coming from. But, but yeah, it's just very, it's very weird that like, I mean,

that was a mistake for him to say that. Oh yeah. Yeah. And there's, there's been, uh, like attempts at explanations of that, but nothing. There was something that I read that was like, no, of that, but nothing.

There was something that I read that was like, no, he meant, uh, like he meant something else. Like pull, he, they meant like pull the people out of it.

Yeah. The fire department should pull their people out or something. Yeah. Why would you not just say pull out? Right. He didn't want to be dirty. Yeah. He knew it was a PBS documentary.

Keep it family friendly but uh i do have actually something on this so this is interesting um the jeffrey scott shapiro writing for foxnews.com he actually wrote an article which is like trying to debunk 9-11 truth but he was a reporter he was on the scene at the time uh he writes this article called shame on jesse ventura it's all about how you know governor jesse ventura is a liar about 9-11 truth and building seven now that's the other thing too if they if they had any credibility or competency they would have killed jesse ventura but you can't kill him no you'd be afraid like well they did use the opium anthony show to spread rumors about him that he uh they got ch got Chris Kyle on there to say that he, like, Jesse

Ventura in a bar said that he was glad soldiers died in Iraq and Ventura sued him and all that. But, you know, regardless. They tried to kill his reputation, but you can't kill the man. No, you can't. They negatively reviewed the predator. Well, I was watching an interview of him with Piers Morgan. I don't know when it was.

Maybe like 10 years ago or so. He's like, Oh, come on, Jesse. That's ridiculous. That's preposterous. It's so funny because there's a live audience there as well. And so Jesse finishes a point and they clap and Piers is like, oh, fuck. What do I do? Yeah, you never get to see the behind the scenes where it's like Piers Morgan backstage

and he's just sweating and he's like, was that okay? Did I do okay? But yeah, from Jeffrey Scott Shapiro at FoxNews.com, quote, shortly before the Building 7 collapse, several NYPD officers and Con Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center,

was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall. A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the building's imminent collapse and potentially saved lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters, and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no

secret. There was no conspiracy. And it's just kind of weird. Okay, a controlled demolition, you can't just do that. You have to have explosives in place in the building. So does that mean bombing can place. In the building. Does that mean bombing can just bomb the building? No, every building in New York City is

wired with explosives just in case there's a fire. In order to be up to code, you have to build it with explosives. And all it takes is one phone call from Larry to just have this building collapse. It's kind of an oversight in the last planning meeting. If you get on the phone with a department in New York,

if you want to have a building demolished, they'll be like, okay, when were you bar mitzvahed? I don't co-sign that. We did an episode on Deutsche Bank in 2005, I believe. A quarter of their building just went up in flames. And when the firefighters were, you know, like we're asked about it,

they're like this, they did this. Like the wiring was so that a fire would occur. And we sent men in that died and you know, firemen can't beat a fucking international bank. That's just not going to happen. Right. But so the controlled demolition of a building is something that has been done

in the case of Deutsche Bank. I will say since, uh, my our resident skeptic Andy is not here, I guess on his behalf, I will say that Tower 7, there's a couple angles that show a bunch of shit falling into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, also, if you look at buildings like 4, 5, and 6, those were all ravaged by fire and none of them collapsed. Building 7 was pretty...

Aesthetically, it looked okay. It's just on mainstream broadcasts. I don't know why, but they showed shots that just showed perfectly intact and then it fell. People said it just fell off on its own.

You think Larry will hear this this you think maybe he's like a podcast fan he's like oh they're talking about me he's like all right fellas keep doing your little podcast good luck i'm 90 years old larry does his more his daily scan for any mention of his name in all american podcasting yeah that's the thing like you know i was trying to be cautious earlier because in the back of your head you're like yeah you should be careful accusing somebody of doing 9-11 because they could probably sue you but i was also like all right well if larry sues i just like could i just go to discovery and find out who at the fire department he told to pull it like you know i'll bankrupt myself on that you know information but i wanted to mention you know yogi you mentioned

all these fucking fires with deutsche bank we did an episode and it's like, yeah, Deutsche Bank is the shadiest fucking bank on the face of this earth. And the thing is, when we talk about these insider trades, some of them were run through a Deutsche Bank subsidiary. We did a whole series on Deutsche Bank. I do believe that it has been used by US and other intelligence agencies. And so it's like, we'll get to it. But the number three at the CIA had worked at this Deutsche Bank subsidiary,

which he left to become the number three at the CIA, which he was their buzzy crone guard. He was the number three at the CIA on 9-11. And it just so happens the bank that he was just CEO of is one of the banks that was involved in these very suspicious transactions, very suspicious transactions, very suspicious trades. So it's like, yeah, Steve, you're right. When you talk about like building seven and controlled demolition and all that, I'm agnostic. I don't want anybody to think that like, you know, I don't want engineers to get mad at me and say like, I'm not an engineer.

I don't know this fucking shit, but I do know that there was insider trading. And I do know there are a lot of suspicious intelligence connections that we have not been told the truth the full truth of john being agnostic is anti-semitic yeah you need to decide right are you with us you with them yeah uh... but we do actually have regarding larry silverstein we do have one video i think from info wars dot com of him being confronted like some people showed up at some event he was at and just asked him a Q&A like,

hey, who at the fire department did you tell to pull it? Could you just explain that to us? And we'll see his answer. Oh, I haven't seen this. Yeah. Can I ask a secret here? Thanks. Regarding that, both sir,

the fire department commander at the time of 9-11 was Chief Daniel Nigro. And he recently made a statement I got another dermatologist appointment. I got to get out of here. Who was it from the fire department that you spoke to about Building 7 on that day? Thank you. What was the next question? What an answer. What an answer. What an answer. Can we get a response here? What was the next question?

3,000 people died, sir. Can we get an answer, please? Answer, answer please answer answer answer answer philly911truth.org if you want to check the rest of that yeah you're full of shit Larry like fuck you yo

yeah like Seattle 911 truth would be much more polite philly911 truth they get up in your face the look on his face just utter I am not going to touch this at all. Regardless of how much you believe the conspiracy versus the mainstream media

report, very suspicious all around what is going on when it comes to 9-11. Yeah, and if the listeners couldn't, I don't know how well the audio came through, but Larry Silverstein just said, I'm not going to answer that, let's move on to the next question, which he was asked in that pull it clip that we played earlier

who exactly at the fire department did you speak to he's like I'm not going to tell you and you know nobody's tried to subpoena him or anything so we just don't know so it's like you know people get so fucking mad at you for like being skeptical on this issue and it's like there's a million

unresolved questions of course but isn't it crazy and it's like there's a million unresolved questions of course but isn't it crazy how that's like that's just so sloppy like he said that in a in a pbs documentary and they aired it there was there wasn't even like there wasn't even like a phone call being like yeah i gotta retract right right hey can we do that over uh but that you know i think what why can't he just say, like, oh, I just meant that the firefighters should get out. Yeah. Why not just say that?

Yeah. It's like Alan Dulles, when Alan Dulles got confronted, and he spoke at some college, and some student confronted him about JFK's assassination. He was like, oh, yeah, okay. And he had no answer. The student questioned him with evidence. It was like the only time Dulles ever got questions about the assassination. He just had he just had nothing.

He's just like, I don't know what the questions mean. I'm going to move on. Yeah. I think that like, you know, you're talking about like you're in Jersey, how people react to 9-11. There was so much just vitriolic patriotism that people were fucking transfixed in being like America does anything wrong. No. That it could be this sloppy

and not be a fucking problem. Yeah, for sure. Well, they have... A lot of people think the bigger a conspiracy is, the more likely it is to fail. But I don't think that's really true. Because I think with something like this, if it was indeed a conspiracy,

they could just gaslight you basically. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And say like, like every now and then some weird shit does get out that people question. They're just like, are you really one of those conspiracy cranks? Well, I think the Ventura interview, especially that Pierce Morgan one, is the perfect amount of like, do we versus a guy asking questions? Because it's the most like, I'm a Marine. If you cannot answer my questions,

maybe you have not thought about this. And Pierce Morgan even goes, I spent, I spent every day for six months looking at this. And Ventura is like, I've spent years, buddy. Just shutting him down immediately.

Uh, but so I think we'll return to like, they're like, you know what? Anthony Kumia owes me a favor. We're going to, we're going to, Pierce,

we're going to take care of this uh but yeah so i think we'll uh return to the thing with like yeah 9-11 truth uh there's like a six-hour documentary called 9-11 the new pearl harbor don't agree with everything in it but it does raise some good points but it's just like yeah if you want to like go through all the unanswer questions, we just don't have time for that today. We could spend six hours going through all this. So there are a couple of things primarily to me, the insider trading, but also a bits and pieces that we were able to find he gives an interview to New York one he was born in Bed-Stuy Brooklyn 1931 into a Jewish family growing up he not that there's anything wrong with that growing up he enjoyed classical music and played the piano this is a Wikipedia write-up of an interview with New York One. That's what I'm reading from here.

He enjoyed classical music. He played the piano growing up. He attended the High School of Music and Art in New York and then NYU. He graduated NYU in 1952. During college, he worked at a summer camp where he met his wife, Clara, just the most ride-or-die woman of all time. The couple married in 1956. They had three children, Lisa,

Roger, and Sharon. His wife worked as a school teacher, supporting the family on her salary for the first few years of their marriage while Silverstein attended classes at Brooklyn Law School. In 1964, he blew up his first building. Just for fun. He's like, wow, there's first building. Just for fun.

Yeah. He's like, wow, there's a lot of money in this. In 1966, he met the greatest dermatologist of all time. Yeah. He sold direct-to-video courses. Had to blow up buildings. But yeah, so his father was a real estate broker basically and like there's a there's a few different tellings of this um but basically from what i was able to understand his uh yeah his

father was a classical pianist this is from a chloe sorvino uh interview in forbes magazine in 2016 his father was a classical pianist who became a real estate broker to make ends meet. After Larry Silverstein graduates from NYU, he joins his father at this real estate brokerage business, but he realized that his best shot at providing for them would be buying buildings and fixing them up instead. Quote, being a broker, I felt we would starve to death. We could not make a decent living he recalls in 1957 he and his father co-founded the company Silverstein properties it purchases first office building on East 23rd Street for six hundred thousand

dollars I the silver since had no actual money their own the deal is financed through a three hundred fifty thousand dollar mortgage in a group of investors they put together I was trying to find, yeah, how do you get fucking $350,000? And the closest thing to an explanation I found is fundinguniverse.com has a company history of Silverstein properties. And the basic story there is they lack the necessary capital, but after many failed attempts, managed to secure a $15,000 loan for a down payment from one bank and a first mortgage of three

hundred fifty thousand from another by this time the firm was harry g silverstein and sons the other son being bernard mendick is larry silverstein's brother-in-law who had married into the family they raised the other two hundred and fifty thousand by persuading 22 tenants to invest $10,000 a piece. So 22, his dad worked as a broker and basically they went around to like 22 people that they had

got apartments for and said hey do you want to invest in this building with us? And each of them chipped in $10,000. And that's like as far as I know the story. I don't know if there's more to it i don't know if there's like like we were looking for like mafia connections because he was like building in new york in the 80s and there's no way to do that without a mafia connection basically but

i couldn't really find it that's as far as i know how he got his money yeah if there's only if there's something that's clean about silverstein it's the lack of information pre-9-11 yeah everything after 9-11 it's like oh larry, Larry, why did you do it this way? But you can't really go through real estate in New York City without being some sort of connections to the mob in that period. I mean, if you look at Trump from that era, there are similarities between Silverstein and him, but real estate has always been relatively dirty,

especially in New York City. I used to do a bit about how I thought 9-11 was a conspiracy, but then I was watching a mob documentary, and this mafia guy was like, he's standing in front of the Twin Towers. He's like, you see those towers? We built those. I'm like, oh, maybe that's why they came down. It's just like steel. But yeah, I mean, it is something where like just regarding let's say larry

silverstein shadiness it's a lot of people are aware but we should mention building seven itself it was initially built in 1987 uh and they had a couple different tenants but a lot of people are aware but they should be aware that one of those tenants was the Central Intelligence Agency, also the Department of Defense, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the U.S. Secret Service had offices in Building 7, and this is all between, like, 87 and 2001. So it's like, you know, I mean,

the CIA doesn't just rent office space anywhere. He clearly had some kind of connections to somebody in the 80s up until 2001. And it's like, we've done episodes on New York real estate developers in general, and they all survive through a bunch of, essentially, bribery. They lobby, they pay campaign contributions to various New York politicians, and in exchange they get tax exemptions, abatements, they get to pay the

pilot program payment in lieu of taxes instead of the traditional business tax rate. There's a million different ways the city and the state helps out real estate developers and essentially gives them massive subsidies, and they get those massive subsidies through bribing politicians so that's just like the way he made his money was he got this initial investment uh this initial windfall and then you reinvested into lobbying politicians in new york state and city yeah italians had a nice little run now it's all over yeah but so he sets up this first building it makes money so they're able to like reinvest and keep like uh you know investing in more buildings however his father harry silverstein dies in 1966 larry silverstein and his brother-in-law mendick continued acquiring

properties as syndicators until economic conditions worsened in 1972 five years later their partnership was resolved. His brother-in-law got divorced from his sister. That was one reason. But Mendek also said that one reason for the split was that Silverstein was interested in development, which he opposed as too risky and protracted a way of making money.

So regardless, they kind of split up in the 70s. But really, World Trade Center Building 7 is like his first major development. His first major build-up from scratch. He's doing a lot of redevelopments, a lot of syndications of existing buildings. In 1980, Silverstein Properties completed a $25 million renovation of the 33-story office building at 11 West 42nd Street.

He's doing a lot of renovations of existing buildings throughout Manhattan. And he's making a decent living doing that, it seems like. Makes sense. Yeah. And so just from this FundingUniverse.com article, apparently as of 1988, he was worth about 375 million dollars so he he made a very solid living doing all this and then it's just kind of like an open question of world trade center building seven is really let's say his big break is coming out or whatever where it attracts all these kind of a-list clients and it's just a question of like how well did he know these people

how well do they trust him so that the cia would get a fucking office there i mean completely right they seem to have believed that larry silverstein was able to get the job done yeah they like so they built the world trade center as like buildings one through six and then he comes in and he builds building seven which is like in the same area connected by like a sky plaza or some bullshit but it is just kind of like uh it's a very interesting idea and apparently in uh according to the new york times in june 1986 before construction was completed developer larry silverstein signed drexel burnham lampart as a tenant to lease the entire seven world trade

center building for three billion dollars over a term of lease the entire seven World Trade Center building for $3 billion over a term of 30 years. And that's relevant for Grubstaker's listeners might know. Drexel Burnham Lampart is Michael Milken's firm, which was in the 80s running probably up to that point, the largest pump and dump Ponzi scheme in history. They were doing these junk bonds where they had their network of captured savings and loans and financial institutions that they would do fundraisers for on companies that had zero assets. And they would just raise all these bonds and then sell these bonds on their name alone when the underlying companies were worth absolutely nothing. That just a a standard ponzi scheme and and michael milken pays like a billion dollar fine he gets to keep the other three billion right and he goes to jail for like two years and now he's like he's still worth three billion talk he's still worth uh three billion dollars but it is also it i mean it's just like the kind of the shady connections that you run into with lar Silverstein are hard to ignore.

True. Yeah. But regardless, because Drexel Burnham Lampart gets speared in this kind of insider trading investigation, he has to find another tenant. He ends up finding primarily the Solomon Brothers, at least most of World Trade Center 7. But other tenants include American Express, as we mentioned, the Securities Exchange Commission, the Internal Revenue Service,

the U.S. Secret Service, New York City Office of Emergency Management, the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, the Federal Home Loan Bank, Providence Financial Management, INS, Immigration and Naturalization Services,

and of course, Department of Defense Central Intelligence Agency. So, well-connected New York developer by the time of 9-11. Very lucky. Yes. And so that kind of brings us up to the actual story of how he bought World Trade Center 1 and 2 itself, like how he actually came to acquire the World Trade Center. And this is like the only, let's say, Jeffrey Epstein connection I found is Bruce Baird on Twitter points out that Ronald Lauder is a billionaire who apparently gave Jeffrey Epstein the Austrian passport with a fake name he had in 1986. So Jeffrey Epstein had an Austrian passport they found in his safe

with a fake name on it that was issued in 86. And apparently this billionaire U.S. ambassador gave him this fake passport. But according to Panamza.com, he was, quote, the driving force behind privatizing the Twin Towers. Because in 1998, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey began the process of trying to privatize the Twin Towers, and then by July 2001, they had this deal, this 99-year lease with Larry

Silverstein. So before it was privatized, it was owned by the Port Authority? Yeah. It was managed by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Huh. So he only owned it for like seven months before they fell down oh yeah less than that's so fucking suspicious yeah i didn't know that i didn't know this until like we started doing research for this and it's like if i bought something that was broken within seven months i meant for that thing to break yeah for

sure there's there's no way i bought shouldn't been like yeah it's a break in six months i'm willing to put billions of dollars into it yeah i have t-shirts that last at least three years. Yeah. Buy a t-shirt and it rips in nine months. That's like your 9-11. That's like, yeah, something was going on there. I think for me, my personal 9-11 is like carrying like two pizzas and then falling and then falling. I'm just like, this is going to break me.

A second pizza has hit the ground america is under attack and you still don't get the day off from school uh but uh james corbett of the corbett report.com has a very interesting piece about 9 11 trillions followed the money um you know again some people will dispute as to how much Larry Silverstein actually walked away from this, but the actual story of how he got the trade centers, the World Trade Center, I think is mostly indisputable. In 1998, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, I'm quoting from James Corbett now, agreed to privatize the World Trade Center, the complex of office towers in lower Manhattan that they had owned and operated since their construction in 1973. In April 2001, an agreement was reached with a consortium of investors that was led by Silverstein Properties, and on July 24, 2001, Larry Silverstein, who already owned World Trade Center Building 7,

signed a 99-year lease for the Twin Towers and Buildings 4 and 5. The lease was for $3.2 billion and was financed from a bridge loan by GMAC, which is the commercial mortgage arm of General Motors, as well as $111 million from Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Carey. The Silverstein properties only put down $14 million of its own money. So that's weird to begin with. This is a $3.2 billion lease. He put down about $14 million for this thing. And then this is another thing. The deal was unusual in a variety of ways.

Although the Port Authority carried only $1.5 billion of insurance coverage on the World Trade Center complex as of 2001, which earlier that year, earlier 2001, the two World Trade Center buildings were valued at $1.2 billion. Despite that, Larry Silverstein had insisted on doubling the amount, insuring the buildings for $3.55 billion. were kind of like legacy office buildings where it was like it would be they wouldn't be as valuable

as modern construction on that that uh that real estate because yeah it's got a bunch of fucking asbestos they were spending you know tens of millions of dollars on asbestos removal and i've heard estimates that removing all the asbestos from the world trade center would have cost billions of dollars because there's so much square footage and actual asbestos removal is a very expensive you know complicated process because you have to make sure people don't get sprayed with asbestos yeah you have to disrupt all the you have to tell people to leave while you do it right break leases and stuff he's like well we're gonna kill 3 000 people but we will save a lot of money. But yeah, so it's like because, again,

the Port Authority had $1.5 billion of insurance on this in 2001, and Larry Silverstein insisted on more than doubling this to $3.55 billion of insurance. Because this was such a big deal, the insurance broker struggled to put together that much coverage and ultimately had to split it among 25 different dealers. So he had this $3.55 billion split among 25 different insurance companies. And then, you know,

there's a ton of negotiations. There's a lot of reports of Larry Silverstein just running around crazy in this period, like July up to September. There's a story with one of the insurance contracts, he left the hospital while he was on morphine to run and and get this insurance contract signed because he was like it really does seem like he was running around trying to get these insurance deals finalized

yeah like i might be dipping my toe too much in the conspiracy side of this but when i found it was only a few months before the attack happened part Part of me went, yeah, you would be scrambling to make sure all that's set up for the attacks. Right. I mean, it's like, you know, and so apparently the negotiation, quoting from Corbett, the negotiations were so involved that only temporary contracts were in place for the insurance at the time the lease was signed.

And by September, the contracts were still being finalized. So it was like, yeah, he was scrambling all over the place to get these deals done. And they were only like temporary contracts at the time of the attacks. And so that's kind of weird. Like, you know, like what I would say with Larry Silverstein is there's three coincidences here.

Like, let's be generous. Let's just say this is all luck. The first is, of course, the dermatologist appointment. The second is like he wants to double the insurance payout, more than double it. You know, like you think a building worth 1.2 billion you want to pay premiums that are that much higher you know like you've got to be on some level are you expecting something to happen why are you doing that but he more than doubles the amount of insurance so that's the second coincidence and then the third is basically the way the deal was structured the port authority of new york and new jersey gets about 500 million

dollar payout from this privatization and then larry silverstein immediately after by august 2001 he has securitized all the world trade center buildings that he owns building one two i think four and five uh maybe six as well. But he's put these into security. What's securitized? It's where you make it like you own stock in it? Yeah, he put them into bonds, basically. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, everybody.

No, no, no. It's good you asked that. Your listeners just got really mad. Oh, fuck, really? I should be on the show. Yeah, sorry. World Trade Centers one, two, four, and five were should be on the show. Yeah, sorry. World Trade Center's 1, 2, 4, and 5 were securitized. And he had these buildings securitized in August 2001. So bonds were sold based on the underlying value of the asset.

And why that's important is because, as we just said, the Port Authority got $500 million. Larry Silverstein, by selling these bonds, got $560 million in August 2001. If he didn't have that cash when those things came down, he probably would have been wiped out. Because instead, he was able to have a giant puddle of cash that kept him going until he got the insurance payout, and all of the risk essentially was transferred to the bondholders and the insurance payout and all of the uh the risk essentially was transferred to

the bondholders and the insurance companies so it's just like it's just so weird to me that this guy knew to take out a massive insurance policy and also immediately get liquid right like august 2001 he's calling it's like your estimated wait time is 44 minutes like Come on! God damn it! But yeah, it's like that's not proof that Larry Silverstein was involved in 9-11 but it is like, yeah, he's worth being called Lucky Larry in that he made the three greatest

business decisions of his life all in the same year. Imagine being the state farm insurance investigator for Larry Silverstein. He's like, I haven't really prepared for this scenario. He's going through his manual of different types of car crashes. And people also point out,

assuming there was some sort of government conspiracy here by getting the World Trade Center off the books of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Like, had they still been the owners at the time, this would have I mean, they definitely would have needed a federal bailout immediately. But that would have wiped them out like they didn't have the money to spend, you know, maybe seven billion rebuilding as well as take on all those liabilities. So, you know, I mean, it seemed to work out well for everybody involved. And after the attacks, it's something like two days, and he's like, I'm going to rebuild. And nobody has a plan in 48 hours after a tragedy.

Right. This is not, you don't go, I didn't expect this, but also this is exactly what I'm going to do now. Yeah. This is not a thing that happens. Yeah. All right, let's get those offices back up. We got to get back to work.

Marty's looking at floor plans. His daughter's calling her dad. Can I go back to work now? She has no idea what's going on. She calls him every day she goes into work. Daddy, is it okay to go in today? Yes, you can go to work. But continuing from the Corbett report,

within hours of the destruction of the Twin Towers on September 11th, Silverstein was on the phone to his lawyers trying to determine if his insurance policies could construe the attacks as two separate insurable incidents rather than one. Because he would make the argument in court that two planes hit, so I should get the $3.5 billion insurance twice

because it's two incidents rather than one. That's a man that knows empathy. Yeah. Well, you know, there are people who lost like two family members. He lost two buildings. That's right. So it's a very tough thing to go through.

He's like, I meant pull it as in pull one of my insurance claims. Yeah. There's so much loss of life. No, I meant pull it as in pull one of my insurance claims. There's so much loss of life. No, I meant like pull my finger. It makes a fart noise. That's what I was talking about. But so eventually he would

settle for $4.55 billion. Again, there's arguments how much of that he saw. He was seeking like what? $7? $ saw he was seeking like what 7.1 billion for 3.55 billion two incidents he was seeking 7.1 gets 4.55 I've seen different breakdowns of how much he had to pay off

the GMAC loan, his equity partners the port authority etc etc i generally tend to believe he walked away with maybe just over a billion which he then reinvested it to rebuilding uh and that's where his 1.4 billion plus net worth today comes from um i think worth it i think anybody would take that deal any billionaire right now be like okay 3 000 people are gonna die and some people are gonna think you suck but you'll make a billion dollars off of this. It really does. It depends how much you trust your wife, too.

She's right. Because that guy can never cheat. I mean, he's 90, so you probably don't even want to fuck anymore. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Yeah. He's just like a banging intern. He's like, I'm going to the New York Times.

Yeah, I know. He's just like DMing women on Instagram. And then she's like, you fucking asshole. I'm going to destroy you. No, no, no. Everybody does it. He sends the fire emotion on Instagram.

It was just a DM. It wasn't anything. Sends a drooly face. Right. Yeah, she could really. Man's got game. Yeah. But yeah, so, you know, regardless of how much money he walked away from, he walked away from this deal with, regardless of how much.

Corbett does point out something very interesting to me. He says, quote, perhaps even more outrageously in a secret deal in 2003, the port authority agreed to pay back 80% of their initial equity in the lease, but allowed the Silverstein group to maintain control of the site. The deal gave Silverstein Goldman and care 98 million of the 125 million. They put down on the lease and a further 130 million in insurance proceeds that were earmarked for the site's rebuilding so it's like as we mentioned earlier that's how all these new york real estate guys operate they lobby people in the government a lot

of times they give them you know sweetheart jobs after they leave the government to get these good deals where the port authority in 2003 is like they get their daughters into the ucb improv 101 they get the meeting with matt besser that's right yeah but yeah the port authority in 2003 gives them a deal where they got back 80 of their initial equity and there was no reason for the port authority to do that except for like, hey, keep your mouth shut. Sean, talk about that Opie and Anthony thing. When the towers are falling, they got one of their interns on TV.

Yeah, this is one of the weirdest things. Somebody on Twitter DMed this to me. So a former producer of the Opie and Anthony show is one of the first people on Fox News, live on the scene on the day of, to describe what's now known as the pancake theory.

Right. Which is like, you know, the towers collapsed on their own weight, you know, like a pancake or whatever. They pancaked. And so he goes on,

like, live on the scene with this Fox News reporter. And throughout the interview, there are two men in, like in black sunglasses standing behind him as he's being interviewed, clearly observing what he's saying to

this Fox News reporter. And then the Fox News reporter talks to him and listens to first of all, it's weird that this guy just saw the towers collapse and immediately had a theory of what brought it down. It was just like the fire from the thing collapsed. Is that the guy who says like mostly due to structural failure?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then I witnessed the towers collapse mostly due to structural failure. Yeah, it's like, what the fuck? That was crazy. That's not how humans talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so not only that, like not only is there this fucking, you know, probably CIA or whatever guy in the background watching this interview,

then the Fox News reporter goes over and he asks one of these guys in dark sunglasses, so what's your role here? He's like, I'm just standing by. Can't really talk about my role. It's like, oh, fuck, maybe we'll put it in post here. We're going to bring in Mark Walsh, who's a freelancer for Fox. You live just a few blocks away and witnessed. Dude, I live on the 43rd floor of a building A BUILDING, WHICH IS FIVE BLOCKS FROM THE WORLD TRADE

CENTER ITSELF. I WITNESSED THE ENTIRE THING FROM BEGINNING TO END. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW IT LOOKED LIKE A MOVIE. I KNOW WHEN I CAME WALKING DOWN HERE EARLY THIS MORNING AND SAW BOTH TOWERS ON FIRE AND PEOPLE ON EVERY STREET CORNER, IT WAS LIKE A MOVIE, BUT YOU WATCHED THE PLANES HIT THE TOWERS. I WAS WATCHING WITH MY ROOMMATE. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY SEVERAL MINUTES AFTER THE FIRST PLANE HIT. You watched the planes hit the towers. I was watching with my roommate. It was approximately several minutes after the first plane had hit.

I saw this plane come out of nowhere and just ream right into the side of the twin tower, exploding through the other side. And then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first and then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense. So can we talk to you? What's your role out here right now? I'm just standing by right now. Can't say what role I'm playing right now uh... just didn't buy right now can say well i'm glad i asked well

there's a lot of standing by there's also concerned some of these other buildings home and it's one of those things where i saw that was like what the fuck right right here and just fucking house lobby this whole thing once yeah and it doesn't even it's like that's the thing it's like the people who disbelieve the conspiracy they say oh so many things would have to go perfectly and the reality is no yeah like

there's a there's a million fuck-ups in any conspiracy that you see yeah the only thing that went perfectly was the the the explosives wired in the building that brought it down that went really whoever did that did a great job. They're the only ones that are paid fairly. Everyone else is like, we'll pay you after the thing. Yeah, that open-ended producer was killed right after. But there are people being

interviewed who are like, that was not a commercial airliner. That was a black military plane. Yeah, I remember that as well, where everyone didn't know what it was. Where it was like, I didn't see a plane, but I heard the explosion and immediately confusion set. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's more than a dozen interviews with firefighters and first responders who were like, yeah, we were in the building. There were explosives set off. And it it's like you can watch them and people will say

maybe rightly that you can't really rely on eyewitness testimony things are chaotic it's clouded yeah yeah people don't always know what's going on and it's like yeah that's fair enough but it's it's also just like just when i see like some guy who has two dudes with black sunglasses standing behind him uh saying to fox news yeah the building collapsed mostly due to structural failure i'm like yeah this this guy was handed a fucking script you're not gonna make me not believe that yeah and it's also something where in that period to say that this was at all orchestrated and or people knew about it, the quick response from people was like,

you think the American government would let 3,000 people die? You really think that? And we're living in a world where right now 1,000 people are dying a day and it's like everyone's happy-go-lucky. We're all excited for the football season coming up. It's not even a thing to think about,

whereas in that era... You really think Dick Cheney is evil enough to kill 3,000 people? I love this when they go, you really think the government is competent enough to do that? Yeah. They don't have to be. There can be so many fuck-ups, like you guys said.

And a conspiracy can have slip-ups all over the place, but if they can maintain at least a minimal amount of cohesion they can just gaslight everyone into being like you seriously believe that? But then you think about the information that's coming out too it's easy to control the information

like not everybody who works for the news has to be like in on it. You just sell them this idea. If you're higher ups you're like this is ridiculous. This is crazy that people think this. And then you go like, this is ridiculous. This is crazy that people think this. And then you go like, yeah, that is crazy. It's easy to believe the other side of it, which is like, these people are crazy.

If you're being told by your superiors one story, you're going, sure, why not? I think that's fine. And also, I think that it might not be true anymore, but the attack on the World Trade Center is like the most filmed thing, or like most viewed thing that has ever happened. Because like, it was just a perfect marriage of like when, I mean, this is also part of a conspiracy, that it's the most perfect amount of era of like, yes, we have live cameras on New York City,

and a crazy catastrophe is occurring right now. It's kind of interesting to talk about Larry Silverstein. If you just set aside all the 9-11 shit, he's like a corrupt New York real estate developer. So it's hard for us to transition from like, hey, this guy did 9-11. He got some tax abatements he shouldn't have. He really didn't qualify for these tax abatements but i did find a wall street journal article to that effect um because it's like yeah so he he gets his payout 4.55 billion he then tries to sue the airlines for negligence he tries to sue them for his for three billion because he really wanted that seven billion right right so he tries to sue the airlines for $3 billion. It gets thrown out, and then later they settle for like $95 million.

I think American and United settle with him for $95 million. But he rebuilds World Trade Center. What was the negligence, though? Like the stewardess should have not gotten her throat slit? Yeah, basically. Yeah, yeah. They should have screened and not let the uh you know hijackers on the plane or whatever yeah i think his ultimate move in those situations is whatever the other party

agreed to he was like but double that because it happened twice and it should also just be noted regarding world trade center seven another argument i've heard is that you know these these things were built uhently. Very possible. Con Edison actually sued Larry Silverstein and Silverstein Properties over World Trade Center 7. Because there was like a Con Edison generator underneath it, which got fucked up. And so power in New York was fucked up for like a couple weeks or whatever. So Con Edison and some of the insurers, they sued the Port Authority and they sued Silverstein over World Trade Center 7's construction. And they argued negligence with the design, maintenance, maintenance and inspection of the diesel fuel tanks in Tower 7, which caused the Building 7 collapse. And this lawsuit was thrown out. However, NIST is the official government agency that has settled on the official government explanation for Tower 7's collapse.

They officially have ruled out the diesel fuel tanks as being the cause of collapse. They say that it was the thermal expansion. Which, you know, again, I'm not an engineer. I can't dispute it. But it is just kind of funny where it's like, yeah, they sued him for negligence of design. They cited the fuel tanks, but the fuel tanks are not officially the reason this thing collapsed.

I did see a video where this guy, like he takes a steel rod and he heats it up, not to the point of where it melts, but he heats it up to the, to like 1500 degrees or whatever jet fuel burns at. Right.

And, and it, it becomes like a noodle. Like it becomes very like malleable. And he's like, so I'm sick of these conspiracies. He's like, get it, like get a job. Right. And it becomes like a noodle. It becomes very malleable. Uh-huh. And he's like, so I'm sick of these conspiracies. Get a job. Right, right, right. But you'd think there would be

some resistance. You'd think the thing wouldn't just come straight down. There would be a little bit of like a... Right, some sort of like... There would be some kind of... Yeah.

Yeah. How does this much building bring down this much building? Right, right. I don't know. What do I know, though? I'm just some guy who's going to be dead in two weeks. I'm going to be shot in the head in my apartment for podcasting.

They'll call it a heart attack. They'll be like, well, he did eat a lot of cold cuts. He was Italian and he loved cold cuts. So we didn't shoot him with the heart attack they'll make you give a statement with some guys in black suits behind you I can't really say why I'm here

I can tell you I'm not doing cold cuts anymore that's code I gotta stop doing all my I'm depressed stand up bits I wanna talk about the world trade I am the happiest I've ever ever been in my entire life i am so happy uh but yeah just like you know let's say a safer scandal here i'll just i'll go through this as we mentioned he rebuilds the fucking thing it's worth 1.4 he's worth 1.4 billion whatever uh there's a wall

street journal article from two thousand thirteen called subpoenas sent to the city's big landlords the new york state commission which is known as the moreland commission to investigate public corruption this was initially set up by governor andrew cuomo and later shut down by and governor andrew cuomo when it uh... found corruption not yes the blood reason shut something down it's working working. Yeah. So basically, in 2013, this commission sent out subpoenas to XTL Developments, Silverstein Properties Incorporated, and Thor Equities. They seek information related to a housing bill that passed the New York State Legislature and was signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo in late January 2013. And then this is important.

The bill included a provision that would allow for greatly reduced residential property taxes for years on five specific Manhattan development sites, including Extell's 1,004-foot hotel condo tower called 157 by Central Park, Silverstein's Plans Four Seasons Tower located in Lower Manhattan, a Thor equities site on 5th Avenue.

So it's like normally property tax abatements or whatever they have general conditions. Anybody can apply for them. This bill that passed the New York State Legislature in 2013 listed five specific properties to give tax abatements to, one of which was

Larry Silverstein's. I mean, you know that he's on the phone yelling at lawyers during all of this. He gets his way when it comes to the lawsuits, and it shows. Yeah, and continuing from the article, the subpoenas could eventually help shed light on advocacy and lobbying by the real estate and development sector along a powerful force in Albany politics. Top landlords and their advocacy groups traditionally are prolific donors contributing millions of dollars each election cycle collectively to the campaign committees of governors and influential members of the

legislature. And the outcomes of policies like taxes and rent regulation can cost or make them fortunes. The legislation at issue was lobbied for by the Real Estate Board of New York, the industry's main advocacy arm. At least two those developers silverstein and xdel had collectively contributed millions of dollars to build dozens of units of low-income housing in the city as was required by 421a regulations so the 421a is a uh a new york state tax uh abatement exemption for real estate developers that says, as long as you throw X number of units of affordable housing in here, you get a tax break on your property taxes.

However, from the Wall Street Journal, despite the developers' impressions, prior 421A legislation didn't include their properties because they were located in high-density zones, which don't qualify for the tax break. So basically these five properties they started building, including the one from Silverstein, they started building in Manhattan in high density zones under the impression that they could get the 421 property tax abatement and then like in the middle of building they're like oh shit, we didn't realize it's Manhattan, you can't get this abatement.

So they lobbied the state government and they got aattan you can't get this abatement so they lobbied the state government and they got a bill passed which just gave the abatement to five specific properties and then they got hit with subpoenas and then governor cuomo shut down the moreland commission incredible so you know it's like you just have to imagine this guy was doing this shit his entire career oh yeah he's very lucky he's just making deals you know but he's got great skin yeah exactly he was like yeah i didn't get the subpoena i was at my dermatologist uh he doesn't even have good skin is the thing it's not even like a believable yeah when i was looking stuff up i didn't know that he had a dermatologist appointment

so i kept watching videos and people were like, what such great skin on this guy. I really love his skin. And I was like, why are we so obsessed with this guy? You could just say a doctor's appointment. Yeah, the fact that he's a dermatologist is oddly specific, but that's what a good alibi seems like. Yeah, lots of details. As I was going to go to my meeting, I had a coke in my hand and i realized i wanted a pepsi so i left you have to imagine somebody like talked him through that whereas like he wanted to say at

a doctor's appointment and they're like if somebody has to follow up like what kind of doctor like uh uh fuck fuck uh general practitioner no no wait dermatologist acupuncture no no no go go american it is funny when you look at the youtube videos and like first of all they either have they're all down voted like at least 85 which is very very funny like yeah yeah it is the only like a little bit of justice the closest thing it's like the only thing we'll really get is like making fun of him on twitter when he dies right and the and youtube comments and on some of the videos, the comments are disabled. They're all voted down.

At least it's like 100 likes and 800 dislikes, which you don't really see on YouTube. That's like jarring to see that. And all the comments are like, you fucking demon! You killed all these people! Lucky Larry! Yeah, let's pull it!

Every comment after comment. comment so i don't know at least we got each other right all right we made a lot of friends along the way but i i think that gives you most of the story as far as we've been able to piece it together of larry silverstein where it's like i don't know if he had foreknowledge of 9-11 i don't know if he was involved in 9-11 i do know that he made three very lucky decisions that were either, again, luck or foreknowledge.

But setting that aside, he's always been a scumbag real estate developer in New York. He survives off the taxpayers of New York, pay all these fucking abatements to these billionaires to do fake affordable housing. Basically, the Wall Street Journal article ends by saying after he got this 421 abatements to these billionaires uh to do like fake affordable housing like basically the wall street journal article ends by saying after he got this 421 uh a tax abatement he's selling condos

for like 90 million in the building wow yeah whatever happened like regardless of his alleged involvement in 9-11 or not at the end of the day he's still just profits directly off of rising rents in new york city right and so it's like you can make up your own mind on larry silverstein but with the time we have left i think it might be worth just talking about our kind of closing thoughts on 9-11 for the 20th anniversary and we mentioned earlier those insider trading econometric uh papers i know steve you took a bit of a look at. If you could maybe give our audience a bit of an overview. Sure. Well, there's three papers that we found

that went through a peer review process. And one of them, probably the most important one, is it went through the University of Chicago Press and the Journal of Business, which are two of the most mainstream sources you can find that wouldn't be attached to 911philly.org or some shit like that. No offense.

But what they found was if you look at in the days and weeks prior to 9-11, if you were someone who was trying to profit directly off of the attacks and you had foreknowledge of it then what you would do is you would buy long put options against the airlines and or against the market more broadly right in that time period and so you're like all right if that was true then we would see an abnormal volume in those types of put options. And that's what they found. They found that after controlling for a bunch of different other events, such as negative, like there's a CEO of one of the airlines was being changed and airlines are

just shitty generally. So there's a lot of bad news going around about them. After controlling for all that, it was still abnormal. So the put options are just money that says it's going to tank that's a bet that you think the price of the underlying stock will go down gotcha so if it does go down then you make money and with united airlines and american airlines chiefly the the volume of put options being transacted in that period was more than four standard deviations higher than you'd expect. So if you just said it was up to chance, it would be like one in a million, basically,

that you would just see that just from random market volatility. Yeah, but also that's when the E-Trade.com baby commercials premiered, so everybody was like, I should get in the stock market now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they looked at broader market volatility during the time was just kind of normal, doing its thing,

with the ratio of puts to call options which is generally around like 0.8 or so meaning that there's uh about 20 percent more um call options being bought and sold than there are put options being bought and sold which generally is just how the market is at normal times but that's what was prevailing so it wasn't like there was some like it wasn't like we were going into like what looked like a recession or something sure right that could be obscuring the true meaning of this these crazy good option volatility yeah and steve you were telling me like these three econometric papers they were written in like such dry academic language to the point where you think they probably just had to write them that way to get like there was insider trading on 9-11 published in an economic journal.

Yeah. So they said if someone was to profit off it, here's how it would happen yeah and so let's say that the terrorists themselves and their direct uh accomplices wanted to profit off of it so they don't make any mention of like oh there's domestic actors who also had foreknowledge or something right that was going on and like uh you're not talking about like larry larry silverstein or someone they're just saying like the terrorists themselves wanted to profit. And, you know, maybe that, they could be right about that. But they just have to keep the language very narrow, I think, in order to get past, like, reviewer number two or whatever.

Like, the academic journal. Makes sense. Right. And the papers, like, you said, you know, four standard deviations. Like, that's insane. It's very high probability. I think like some of the papers take a probability estimate. I think one of them put it like 99 percent informed trading was going on.

Like none of them can say 100 percent certainty. But when you have like numbers like that in an academic paper, it's all but a certainty. Yes. The key thing was just if you left it to chance it would be one in a million or greater that this would happen on these days well you know sometimes people just have dermatologist appointments the morning of 9-11 uh but yeah uh the corbett report again james corbett he talks about the 9-11 commission because the 9-11 commission again this 2004 thousand four investigation into nine

eleven which is to this point the only investigation that there has been done by the u s government except for an earlier congressional investigation uh... they did address this and they said uh... there was they address the put options on united airlines stock on september sixth ninety five percent of the puts were placed by a, quote, single U.S.-based

institutional investor with no conceivable ties to Al-Qaeda, which is kind of a weird phrasing where it's like we're not saying they didn't have any ties to 9-11, we're saying they had no ties to Al-Qaeda. But they ultimately concluded that they could not find evidence

of insider trading. So you have three econometric papers that say there was an almost could not find evidence of insider trading so you have three econometric papers that say there was an almost certain probability of insider trading and then you have the nine eleven commission which says no nothing happened here and then quoting from corbett unfortunately we will likely never see the documentary evidence of that from the commission itself one researcher requesting access under the freedom of information act to the documentary evidence that the nine eleven commission used to conclude that there have been no insider trading requesting access under the Freedom of Information Act to the documentary evidence that the 9-11

Commission used to conclude that there had been no insider trading, received a response that stated, quote, that the potentially responsive records have been destroyed, unquote. So the 9-11 Commission, they have a secret formula that they use to determine there was no insider trading that they won't share with anybody that's apparently been destroyed. And then you have like three academic scientific papers saying there was insider trading. So it's like, I don't know. I don't know. If that doesn't convince you, what more do you want?

And these, so these papers, the Chicago paper has been cited by the SEC for other cases saying like, okay, this can be used as a this can help regulators find when there was inter-sider trading for other things and so like the regulators are saying like yeah no this is useful we should use this for other cases but they won't follow up on this particular case

brilliant no cover up at all guys I think this is an open and shut case what we've been told is exactly how things are. I like that the commission was like, we actually found no evidence of insertion. Someone's like, oh, interesting. Can you show us your work? And they're like, it was burned.

We pulled it. We decided to pull it. There's so much loss of life. I talked to an engineer friend who said the same thing about the NIST report, where they won't show their model for how they determined Tower 7's collapse. Again, I'm not an engineer. Can't verify that, but it is what it is. But regardless, I think the insider trading is very strong evidence. And you know what? Just the 9-11 Commission itself.

Again, the last investigation, anybody trying to this, the executive director of the 9-11 Commission was a guy named Philip Zelikow. nine eleven commission itself again the the last investigation anybody trying to this the executive director of the nine eleven commission was going to philip zelikow philip zelikow and this was like people knew this democrats new this back during the bush administration philip zelikow was a member of the bush administration the executive director of the nine eleven commission he was part of the

bush transition team wrote a book with condoleezza rice uh... wrote a policy paper, which the Bush administration used to justify the invasion of Iraq. He wrote it at the request of Condoleezza Rice while she was in the Bush administration. She asked him to write a paper justifying a first strike on Iraq, which he did, which the Bush administration used. and throughout the 9-11 commission he was well he was the executive director in frequent contact with both condoleezza rice and carl rove this is the executive director of the 9-11 commission the person with the power to call witnesses the power to introduce evidence to control where the investigation goes so just on the most basic level even if you don't believe bush fucking did it even if you think the story is like 99, 100% true, you should not have a member of the Bush administration investigating the Bush administration regarding 9-11.

That enough should be enough for a new investigation. But people look at you like you have five eyes on your head when you say we should reinvestigate 9-11. Our boy Biden's going to do it though, right? Yeah, he is. President Biden has announced after the family said you cannot come to our events if you don't let us know what happened

on 9-11. Did that happen? Yeah, the 9-11 families, there's a group of about 2,000 people who are family members of people killed on 9-11 and that's why it bothers me when people are so dismissive of truth 2,000 people who are family members of people killed on 9-11, and that's why it bothers me when people are so dismissive of truthers, 9-11 truthers. Like 2,000

of them, the most active, are people who had... And people die. Yeah, people they love were murdered that day. And they want to know the truth, and the reality is the government of the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have been fighting them in court for, you know, basically since the towers fell.

But Biden has said that he's directed his attorney general to, over the next six months, declassify records related to 9-11. In particular, after the 9-11 commission, there was an FBI investigation called Operation Encore, where the FBI investigated Saudi Arabia's role and links to 9-11. That investigation was immediately classified. We have no idea what's in it for the most part. So the families have been suing Saudi Arabia, and they've tried to subpoena the results of this FBI investigation, Operation Encore. And then just recently, according to Catherine Herridge

at CBS News, on September 2nd, 2021, the 9-11 families, or a group of them, have filed an Inspector General complaint alleging mishandling and possible destruction of FBI records to block disclosure. This stems from an April

2018 subpoena and includes video of the hijackers. The FBI lost,, hit or destroyed a key videotape showing a Saudi agent hosting a party in San Diego for two of the 9-11 hijackers. my hope is, you know, maybe we can just end this episode with a call to action. Be like 22-year-old Mike Racine. Call your congressperson and demand they reinvestigate 9-11. Call AOC. Tell her to get her shit together. Tell her to get

off the picket line and investigate 9-11. One more thing I do want to mention. I said those Mossad agents in New Jersey. Because, you know, no matter what at this point, no matter how well Chris edits it, I will be accused of anti-Semitism. So I do just want to give this story

because I think people hear dancing Israelis and they think this is like a right-wing meme, and it is, but the story, you can read this on abcnews.com,.go.com. The headline is, Were Israelis Detained on September 11th? Spies. It's from 2002. And this is a New Jersey homemaker.

She saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence. Maria, she asked ABC News not to use her last name, said that she had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment. Her friend called her after the first building got hit. She looked out her window. She saw three men. They appeared to be taking pictures, filming, celebrating. And she wrote down the license plate, called the police. The police car stopped them later. There were five men in that van on the license plate. The arresting officer said they saw a lot that aroused suspicion. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the

biggest surprise for the officer came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens. And according to the forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives. They were interrogated. They were later let

go. And so it's like, the innocent explanation, as far as I understand it, is they were just in New Jersey investigating Muslim terrorists, and they just happened to see 9-11 and film it. And they were compelled to dance. Yes. And, you know. And celebrate or whatever. Or maybe they're just young men.

You don't know how to react to 9-11 when you're a young man. Everyone experiences grief differently. Some people jerk off. Some people dance. It's a whole thing. But it's just another one of those things where we look at Silverstein, we look at, you know, the Mossad, possible Mossad

agents, whoever, or Buzzy Krohngard, I mentioned him, the number three at the CIA. Alex Brown was the name of the Deutsche Bank subsidiary that engaged in like the very probable insider trading. You look at all these people and you just say like, why haven't they been hauled before Congress?

Why hasn't somebody put them under oath, you know, serve them with a subpoena and just said, answer these questions. And if you commit perjury, you're going to prison. It's never happened. And you know,

Donald Rumsfeld's dead. We're running out of time here. I do think like, I think it's important for the families, but I do think it's important for our country. Definitely. got out of Afghanistan after spending two point three trillion murdering two hundred and forty thousand people. And for fucking what? Like we deserve to know, you know, at some point the United States has to choose. Are we an empire? Are we a closed society or are we an open society republic? Do we have the right to know what really happened on 9-11?

And so that's why I'm encouraging you as my John Oliver call to action, call your congressperson or senator and ask them to sponsor or co-sponsor the Bobby McIlvaney Act. Bobby McIlvaney was killed in the towers. They wrote an Atlantic article about him and

architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth and some other groups have put together just a simple bill named after him that would compel Congress to create a committee to reinvestigate 9-11. To call witnesses and just like, let's give this one more look and let's just see what turns up.

Seems fair enough. Yeah. Larry Silverstein's like, I have a dermatologist appointment that day. And Larry, no disrespect. We do admire your ability to get money and get the bag, as the kids say. Yeah, the man grinds. No hard feelings.

He grinds, yeah. He rises and grinds. He does. He really does. He rises to the 91st floor and grunts. You know he missed it for those first few years. He's like, I mean, I made money, but I really do miss going into my buildings. I've been in a funk ever since I couldn't get those poached eggs.

You know what's funny is like, okay, so he obviously, when this all was happening, he was like, I'm going to make so much money off of this. But then when people like that, at that level of wealth, what do they get excited about when they make money? What are they like, oh, I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy, you know? Because for me, when I, I don't know, have a good day or when I'm like, oh, I can buy a hoodie or something. Sure, sure. Or I can take my wife out to dinner.

Right. Even though she doesn't really need to eat as much as she does. But it's just like, what is the thing that is in their head that they're like, oh, I'm going to do this? I think it's less about excited to do something and more I'm afraid I won't be able to do as much as I can, you know? Because you have hundreds of millions, right? So the difference between like someone that's got like, let's say 300 million and like a billion is insane.

But also they're both living a relatively the same life. The fear of like, if I don't have more than two billion, then I could be broken a few years because I want to live the most ball out lifestyle. And I want to make sure that as the world turns into tyranny that I'll be okay. I think they get off on having more power over people. And so it's just never enough. And someone who has $500 million

wants to be a billionaire desperately so that they know that they're that much powerful than the average person. I just imagine if you're a billionaire you can tell like every time you see someone and they have nice tits, you can go, Hey, nice tits.

And then he just ran him a check for like 50 grand. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that. I apologize. Yeah. You know, what really disturbed me about this episode is I don't know if my wife would cover my nine 11 alibi.

If I did nine 11. Right. She might turn me in. Well, this is the one thing Silverstein. I think I would turn me in too oh yeah well i don't know but maybe it's like old school yeah this is like before this is before feminism you know really like yeah yeah they were like yeah you got to cover up 9-11

for your husband all i know is this plan could have been completely thwarted if mark walberg was on that flight right because he really would have taken care of things. Just imagine like a meme where it's like, back in my day, men were men and gals covered up 9-11. Do you think with 9-11 in executing it, whatever part of the conspiracy you do or don't believe, do you think it worked?

Whatever they wanted to get out of the situation, did they go, we did it. We pulled it off, we pulled it off we pulled it and now we get to live in an america that is what it is now yeah i guess it depends on how you define they because it's it seems like so many people benefited in so many different ways like whether it was like your building or i don't know like going to war or whatever it was right so like when you i don't know, it just, there must have been so many people

who benefited from it, if it was premeditated, that, yeah, I guess they did. Since the Afghanistan war just ended, like, you know, those, the group of 10 mostly military contractor companies like Halliburton and whatnot. They earned

some of them over twice the return of the S&P 500 over the same period of time. I know they benefited. It doesn't mean they all knew what was going to happen on 9-11. I guess the conspirators plus them, yeah, like, they, I would say it was a win for them.

The reason I ask is I think especially after 9-11 for those first 10 years, there was a feeling of, like, well, this won't ever happen again. We'll protect ourselves. And because of what you both have just said part of me goes no they'll do it again this is this is we're living in a moment right now which is pseudo similar to the uh the 9-11 with the pandemic but i do think that cause a tragedy that lets us do whatever we want that is a strategy that works i do think that if the the wars that that event caused directly were kind of like i view them as kind of the last gasp of our empire is we needed some last hurrah of militarism before we like become more sort of a multi-polar world with like china or whatever and um uh it was a win but it like it was we won the battle but lost the war maybe

in terms of uh maintaining like the power of our nation state here plus the multinationals like halberd and raytheon and all of them um yeah they did benefit a lot but at the cost of like kind of being now we're going home in defeat basically and uh some people want us to like pivot to go fight china or some shit and uh i don't think there's really an appetite for that so what's their next sort of big thing gonna be are they thinking up some some other events like 9-11 right now? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's something where it's hard to remember because we were all kids, but we live in a completely different world in the U.S. today

because of 9-11. And that's why I think the truth of it is so important because the authorization for use of military force that was passed after 9-11, that's still in effect. That's like, it basically, they use it all the time to say the president has the right to embalm syria or libya or whatever it gives them the right to go after you know quote-unquote terrorists anywhere in the world it's why there's delta force operators running around you know every fucking country in the global south so it's like yeah there's that

there's the patriot act there's the fact that we have like mass surveillance on a scale like never before seen in our history. The fact that the government has claimed the right to like indefinitely detain and murder U.S. citizens like these are insane. And these are things that I don't think would have been tolerated in the past in America. But in the initial shock of 9-11, they passed all this legislation and then it just became the norm there's apparently a bunch of classified executive orders we don't even know about they probably they're probably I do believe the FEMA camps are real I mean I think they could just put a bunch of us in FEMA camps after you know a bomb goes off in Manhattan or something so it is just something where I think the only real way to undo this is to try to get something approaching the truth of what it was that set all this off in the first place. If we know that we were lied to about it by the government beyond who actually did it, if we know that we were lied to and they covered it up for 20 fucking years, I do think that will hopefully build a groundswell of public anger to undo a lot of the things that were done as a response to 9-11 by us in the fema camps you mean podcasters yeah i mean all of us and in fucking tps and huts we'll still be podcasting from from the fema camp yeah yeah and we're like

complaining like oh you you told us we'd have better mics but you gave us these echo blues these things are pieces piece of shit. There's so much feedback. We're just handing out CDs on the street like, Podcasts, get your podcasts here. You can't download it, but you got to download from the disc, but it still works. Well, Mike, Christine, I want to thank you very much for doing this with us.

I know this is going to be on your podcast as well. So I just say on behalf of Grubstakers, if you're listening to The Sit Down, we're on Patreon and SoundCloud. Yogi and I will be in Seattle. You know what? I don't want to plug shit on the 9-11 episode. Let's keep the plug list.

Mike, where can people find you? I'll plug shit on the 9-11 episode. You can follow me on Twitter at Mike Racine. Instagram, Racine Mike. Check out my podcast, The Sit Down. For The Sit um just uh you can follow me on twitter at mike racine uh instagram racine mike and uh check out my my podcast the sit down and for the sit down people you can follow us at grub stickers pod on twitter as well and check out our patreon and so on so forth it does feel like bad doing plugs on like the burning corpse of 9-11 okay well i just plug my twitter yeah we're not like making money i'm not judging you i I'm just saying. We're very lucky.

Check out. I want to plug my dermatologist. He's the best of the city. Well, thanks for listening and please do, if you are interested, look up the Bobby McIlvaney Act and if you have the time, you can always try to contact your

congressperson or senator and just ask them about this and let them know that the 9-11 families, a group of several groups of 9-11 families, about 2000 people are advocating for this. They want a new investigation of 9-11. This is not just cranks. This is not just like random tinfoil hat people is the actual people who lost loved ones this day. They want to know the truth and they deserve to know the truth. So if you're interested in that, please do whatever you can to help make that a reality. And with that, this has been Growth Shakers.

I'm Yogi Boyle. I'm Steve Jeffers. I'm Sean P. McCarthy. I'm Mike Racine. Peace. Thank you.