Grubstakers - Episode 14: David Geffen

Episode Date: May 7, 2018

Another week another billionaire, but this week all our info is alleged. None of the information came from factual websites, and this satire podcast is purely for entertainment. This description was approved by DreamWorks SKG/Dreamworks Records, Asylum Records, Geffen Records/Geffen Pictures, and DGC Records. Listen to it... or whatever, and buy the upcoming box set of Nirvana! This one features pieces of the actual note!

Hey, everybody. Welcome to Grubstakers, the podcast that asks the question, is there such a thing as a good billionaire? Today, we're profiling potentially good billionaire David Geffen. He is the founder of Geffen Records, Asylum Records, a co-founder of DreamWorks. He is a noted philanthropist, and we say great things about him. So if you are a lawyer who represents David Geffen, you can stop listening now. For the rest of you, sit back and enjoy the episode. I think we disproportionately stop whites too much. I taught those kids lessons on product development and marketing.

They taught me what it was like growing up feeling targeted for your race. I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican. You know, I went to a tough school in Queens and they used to beat up the little Jewish boys. You know, I love having the support of real billionaires. Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Grubstakers. We're very excited. We've got a great episode for you today. Sean P. McCarthy here, as always, joined by... Andy Palmer. Yogi Paiwo. And Steve Jeffries is out this week, but that's a good thing for him because he will inevitably not be named in the lawsuit we get for recording this episode about David Geffen. David Geffen is, according to Forbes magazine, quote, Hollywood's richest man. Forbes magazine has him worth $8.4 billion as of May 2018, and he has a reputation as a bit of a litigious man. If I can just quote

from the New York Times, quote, Mr. Geffen's past use of litigation was never far from the minds of executives at Random House when they wrote an unauthorized biography about him. One Random House executive said, we certainly vetted this book very carefully. We were aware of his reputation that way, and that was in 2000. So the point is david geffen has a reputation for suing people and if you are someone like myself who likes to go online and read blind items some of the ones without exposing myself to any legal detail i will say the blind items about david geffen can best be described by um true detective season one yes yes definitely so if you want to know more about what people on the internet say David

Gavin gets up to, just go pop that one in on HBO Go and look for the masks and the chants and the underage people. I'd like to say that everything we say on this episode is allegedly. Yes.

Let's just put the word allegedly as the title of this episode in front of every single word we say the alleged truth about david geffen yes and uh you know if you were an attorney for mr geffen this is a satire podcast what if though so like this is our secret weapon though is yogi is actually incredibly rich and he will fight this lawsuit if geffen sues us so this is our warning to you geffen we will expose you through the discovery process we will subpoena everything we want to see those emails dude what if we take down geffen oh man finally get vengeance for Kurt. But yeah, so I guess we'll just give a brief overview of David Geffen.

He was the co-founder of DreamWorks as well as Asylum Records, Geffen Records. He's incredibly powerful in both the movie and music industry. Very clean industries, by the way. Yes. Very non- Nothing bad happens there. No bad things going on in the record and movie industry. Everyone's very kind and polite. A lot of religious people.

Not the religions you're thinking of, but religious indeed. And WealthX is a wealth... like a marketing website, basically. They help you advertise to extremely wealthy people. And we should sign up for them at some point. Oh, you guys don't have membership? You guys aren't under their platinum membership?

But basically they... I like how if we sign up for WealthX, we're just like dangling a little hook with a paper on it that says, Sue us. Just casting the lawsuit line. WealthX, as of June 2013, estimates David Geffen's art collection is worth $1.1 billion. Wow.

He has two yachts, one called The Rising Sun. He bought for $590 million. Another called rising sun he bought for 590 million dollars another called polaris he bought for 300 million um so he has almost a billion dollars worth of yachts too uh and uh his the rising sun is the 11th largest yacht in the world so yeah no he has a he has a pretty good fortune he also has more than a billion in Apple stock. I mean, he couldn't afford the 10th. You know, when you got the 11th, you just think to yourself, I'm just not in the top 10. I'm never going to be that good.

But David Geffen is a very interesting person, and we'll get to some of the rumors against him a little later. What rumors? I don't think there's any rumors. Some of the pizza-related rumors against he likes pizza he's a nice guy he's a wonderful man um and you know he does it for the love of the art yes of course well he loves he's a he's got a billion dollar art collection and i mean one of the better uh conspiracy theories you'll find on reddit is that essentially his art money is actually a way to launder money for his pedophile video business. Alleged.

Yes. But of course, we don't believe that practicing attorney that works for Mr. Geffen. These are all satire- based facts in quotations um but yes so uh david geffen is a you know actually a largely self-made person though i think as we'll kind of get into his uh mode of operating has been kind of shady and exploitive even though you know i watch like this kiss ass pbs documentary american masters about david geffen and it's just kind of funny how like these people like act like he's doing these artists such a big favor by essentially just screwing them out of all of this money that

you know maybe like in the we'll get into it but uh we should start from the beginning david geffen was born in brooklyn in 1943 um his mother owned a uh taylor clothing shop corset shop there you go um and his dad was you know in and out of work david kind of resented him but his father died when he was 18 so his mother was kind of the big force in uh in his And David Geffen had dyslexia, but of course that wasn't really in the common vernacular in the time he was growing up. So he graduated high school in Brooklyn, and then he went on to drop out of three different colleges.

He went to University of Texas Austin, dropped out. He went to Brooklyn College, dropped out. Then he moved to L.A., went to college in Santa Monica, and then dropped out a third time. And he moved to L.A. because he wanted to get into show business. And according to the PBS documentary, he met someone out there, and he asked, you know, how do I get into show business? And she said, you should be an agent because agents don't have any talent

and don't do anything. And so he was like, oh, well, I can do that. And then in 1964, he moves back to New York and he gets a job at the mailroom at the William Morris Agency. And at the William Morris Agency in the mailroom, they had to have a college degree. So he basically lied and said he had a degree from UCLA.

And then because he worked in the mailroom, he would get there early every day and go through all the letters. And then eventually he intercepted the letter from UCLA being like, David Geffen never went here. Right. And then just edited it. So they said David Geffen did attend and graduate. You know.

So, you know, a little bit of mail fraud. Sure. Though I respect that one. Yeah. I mean, that's a good one. Yeah. Respect the hustle. I mean, I don't.

Because it's like, yeah, sure, it's respectable in the fact that like how dare he take advantage of the william morris corporation but it's they do good work all right the point is though is that you know when you say self-made the notion is he got there by the the means of his own fucking chutzpah and didn't do anything shitty to get there. This is a shitty thing. Like, it's not the biggest shitty thing he did. Oh, no. No, trust me. The people who know about the biggest shady things he did are not willing to talk about it.

They're all... For fear of their lives. That's right. That's right. They're all either six feet under or about to be six feet under. They're all six years old. Well, that's where the dyslexia comes in.

Yes. Or spread onto the banks of the Wishcon, Aberdeen, Washington. Jesus. six feet under. They're all six years old. Well, that's where the dyslexia comes in. Or spread onto the banks of the Wishcot in Aberdeen, Washington. Jesus. Oh, yeah, we mentioned his two yachts. It should just be noted. Just the Obamas traveled on one of his yachts in April 2017 after they left office. So just kind of an idea of the power that this guy has.

And again, we'll get into some of these stories, but essentially David Geffen can pick up the phone and end your career. He can call anybody at the major movie or music studios and be like, hey, don't work with this guy or girl, or none of my artists are going to work with you ever again. So that's the way power works in show business. This is Obama getting the phone call from Geffen. Hey, Dave, how you doing?

Oh, come to your yacht? Yeah, I'm trying to solve a piece in the Middle East. Yeah, I'll be there in 15. It was after he left office, you know. He's still busy. He's not fucking, let's hang out with an alleged person on his yacht fucking time uh i have a paid speaking uh gig uh but i can reschedule that andy i don't want this bullshit non zuckerbergesque impression during the entire episode i need you to commit

to it either more or commit to it less uh i understand your concerns and i have started a committee to uh investigate uh the best way to handle this and uh once the committee comes back which is a difficult process uh we will look into your concerns about my Obama impression. Now, David, if we could put the masks on and start speaking backwards, I think that would allow us to get this knife

through this child's heart. At the point of climax. Now, David, I know that you said there'd be pizza here, but I didn't expect you to order from Papa John's, if you know what I mean. Now, David... It's the freshest ingredients. You have crickets?

I would like to take my mask off now and eat the food of my people. Is that a Kenyan joke? No, crickets. He's a lizard. What do lizards eat? I don't know. Look, anyways.

This is going to be our best episode. I'm having fun. Anyways, the point is, David Geffen's early life, so he's working in the mailroom at William Morris morris in 1964 and he talks about this in the pbs documentary he essentially like starts reading the mail for the different agents there and kind of like learns how the business works just through that essentially so 64 and he works his way up and eventually he becomes an agent and what uh being an agent for him is

like he goes around like a lot of the different open mics and these kinds of things in new york and scouts new talent and really what makes uh david geffen a multi-millionaire is he finds the singer-songwriter laura nero and laura nero is a very talented singer-songwriter but she really becomes famous for other people doing covers of her songs. So he starts to be the manager and the agent for Laura Nero in 1967. And what they do is they found a publishing company together, Tuna Fish Records. And so David Geffen starts to pitch all of the songs that she wrote to other artists and then in 1969 um uh three of the top 10 billboard uh singles are songs written by laura nero performed by other artists and so david geffen convinces her to sell the company uh her publishing company and they split the proceeds 50 50 so they sell to cbs 1969 for $4.5 million,

and David Geffen gets half of that. So as of 1969, in 1969 dollars, he is a multimillionaire already. And from there, his capital essentially just keeps on growing. But essentially, after he sells, he leaves William Morris to become a personal manager with his friend and partner Elliot Roberts. They found Geffen and Roberts, which was a management company.

And then the next year they found Asylum Records. Or no, Geffen found Asylum Records as a joint venture with Atlantic Records. So essentially he's got... The idea is to grant asylum for musicians who could not get signed elsewhere he would uh later use the asylum process to uh find vulnerable teenagers fleeing countries allegedly allegedly that did not happen i did not actually base that on any research just making a joke people um but so essentially essentially, he founds Asylum Records after he's unable to get Jackson Browne a record deal anywhere else. And as we said, he's already a

multimillionaire, so he's able to use the capital from that. The biggest hit, I believe, at Asylum Records was the Eagles. He finds the Eagles, he puts the Eagles together, he gets all of them, because the different band members were on different labels. He gets them all consolidated together. And so in 1970, he founds Asylum Records. And then two years later, he sells it to Warner Communications. A theme with Geffen is that he sells whatever he's in like a little bit before their peaks. Right.

And, you know, in the 92Y interview, he talks about like he always sells slightly before. So you'll see very like illustrious, like he sold his house for this much or he sold his company for this much. His biggest thing is to invest in something heavily and to build it up a fair amount. And then while it's on its way up,

he goes, all right, I'm good. Yeah. And so there's the Eagles. There's on its way up, he goes, all right, I'm good. Yeah. And so there's the Eagles. There's also Crosby, Stills, and Nash. There's kind of a funny story from the reinventing, or inventing David Geffen, the PBS American Masters doc. But they talk about how he got arrested for trying to bring pot on an airplane

to David Crosby of Crosby, Stills, and Nash. But basically, yeah, the story is simple enough. David Crosby calls him up and is like, hey, man, you've got to bring my weed from L.A. to New York. And so David Crosby's friends gives Geffen an envelope. And then as he's going through security, the police officer just shakes the envelope and seeds fall out. And then he gets arrested and he gets bailed out and he flies and then david crosby

is pissed at him that he lost his pot and then like he kind of like tells that as the reason he decided to sell but i think it was absolutely just for the money because the other funny part is like they spend probably 20 minutes in that document whoa whoa whoa whoa marijuana drugs i gotta get out of the record industry apparently david Geffen was kind of seen as sort of the sober codependent within all of his record ventures where he would just try to always be there for his drugged out clients, which, you know, not necessarily negative, but that was sort of the personality or the way that he would manage in a lot of different ways was just he would he would constantly enable his musicians yeah well yeah i mean i guess there is an advantage like when you're in a business relationship to with

someone to have them be a drug addict right probably gives you an advantage at the negotiating table when they're fucking withdrawing from smack right also why would you carry marijuana on a plane in an envelope everyone's gonna smell that it's it start with a plastic bag like they didn't know these techniques back then andy this was fresh and also i love that the it says seeds fall out. Yeah, shitty skank weed. It was 1970. Yeah. But, oh, yeah. So, and actually, to Andy's point, Elliot Roberts, his partner in this original management company, mentions that in the PBS documentary. He says, like, yeah, we were kind of, I'm paraphrasing, but he says, like, him and David Geffen were like the yin and the yang, where it's like, I would be the guy who, like, hung out with the artists and, like, smoked dope and stuff.

And that's, like, a necessary part of the business. And then David Geffen handles the other part of the business, which is being sober and being on the phone with the suits and the big wigs and these kinds of things. Another one of the things, Geffen always puts himself two to three steps away from what he's pursuing. So whether it's...

What kind of things does he pursue yogi uh uh allegedly contracts with people who have dreams and works ah um but yeah oh and so like it's just kind of funny because the pbs documentary they spend like 20 minutes like kissing his ass like yeah at asylum records i like gave you know or he gave these artists like freedom from the man and stuff and then just like two years into it he sells them to warner communications right and like all the artists were rightly pissed at him because they get they signed with david geffen because they didn't want to be stuck with like a corporate label and then as soon as two years in he's like no i'm cutting my losses i'm taking my check and i'm gone you know so and and

just another interesting quote like and so in 1972 and he himself was very tolerant of people not completely honoring all the uh aspects of their contracts with him yes yeah well it's like the other thing is like laura nero the the girl who made him a multi-millionaire uh when he founded asylum records she was supposed to be his first sign, but instead she went to Columbia and he never forgave her for that. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's like, all right, but, you know, she's the reason you have everything because she's

the talented person. Right, right. And it was like, be the guy who got her in the door and sold her, which, you know, of course, there is some financial value to but i don't think it's 50 50 but whatever i mean you know they entered into that contract together i'm not going to get mad at him for that in particular but it's like maybe be less of a vindictive fuck with the woman who made you a multi-millionaire with her singer-songwriter abilities anyways the point is uh in 72, he sells to Warner Communications.

He sells his record label, Asylum. And in the documentary, he claims to be worth $10 million at this point, in 1972. And he says, quote, which seemed like more money than any human being could possibly want, end quote. And he's worth about $6 billion when he's saying those words. Right, right. And then, as of today, is worth more than $8 billion. So, it was 79 you mentioned 72 okay he sells to warner and is worth more than 10 million dollars that's crazy because 10 million and 79 would be like fucking 50 today yeah yeah um you know we could have actually calculated these things thanks jimmy carter

uh but uh so he sells um to warner communications and it's interesting warner communications at this point owns both atlantic and another record label called electra so they merge electra with asylum and then uh geffen stays on as the ceo um until 1975 from 72 to 75 and in 74 he signs a bob dylan uh just kind of random thing and also in 74 he dates share for 18 months that's right and they almost get married they were madly in love according to share yeah and uh we'll mention kind of the biography that was published about him in 2000 but he told his biographer tom king despite being a gay man david geffen says he quote fucked the shit out of share right right which which is funny because like it's such a alpha thing to be like oh yeah i was fucking share up you know like so like aggressively but it does also come off as

like the gayest thing to be proud of also it's it's i don't want to get into stereotypes but like no please do just be like share seems to be the perfect person for a gay man to brag about fucking the shit out of her yeah it's like there's no other female icon that like a gay person would be like oh yeah i fucked the shit out of that person you know what i mean like if he if he was like oh yeah i i fucked the shit out of i don't know who's another uh fucking jenny yeah well then i guess the age is appropriate these days but like but if he was like oh yeah i had a whole bunch of Dakota fanning anyway let's move on yeah so around this time he gets cancer though right yes so um like so essentially like uh he leaves electra to to break into the film business because like he's working

for warner bros and they let uh warner he's working for warner communications and they let him go and work for warner bros the the movie studio in 1975 but he gets fired the same year because he is, uh, you know, he, he fights with a lot of people and Clint Eastwood doesn't like him and these kinds of things. So he gets fired. But then in 76,

he gets diagnosed with bladder cancer. Um, so he retires and, that diagnosis later turns out to be wrong in 79, but it's kind of funny. Cause again, like in the documentary, they interview him and he's like,

yeah, you know, I kind of got like the good part of cancer where it's like I got like the the life is too short revelation. Yeah, exactly. Without the actually dying of cancer. Right. And it's just so funny, like the lack of self-awareness in this motherfucker. It's like you donated a hundred dollars to the New York to the Lincoln Center just to have your fucking name on it. And then $15 million of that was just paying Avery Fisher to take his family, to take his name off it. Right.

Because you're so fucking vain that you just want your stupid name on shit. Speaking of, he's suspected to be one of the individuals that Carly Simon based her song You're so vain off that's right yeah uh what's what's funny too is that he was good friends with steve jobs and they had opposite cancer experiences where david geffen got treated for not having cancer and steve jobs got not treated for having cancer the other thing that's funny is in the 92Y Interview they talk about the cancer diagnosis And he's like yeah so once I Found out I had cancer I moved back to New York

And kind of partied my life Away for three years Because this is the height of like Studio 54 And stuff and so you gotta envision That Geffen is literally like Well gonna die soon Might as well do all the drugs and pussy and dick in the world and then you know he gets a second opinion on his cancer diagnosis and that

person's like um are you dumb are you an idiot because you should probably ask some other people if you got cancer and he's like I guess I probably should do this yeah yeah there's he tells this great story where it's essentially he goes to this doctor of his friends and the doctor is like, Are you stupid? You should be going to a rich person doctor. Like literally that's his story is that the doctor is like, With your resources, you should be going to the best doctor in the world. And the story is basically he was misdiagnosed with cancer

because he was going to a poor person doctor right and so you know this doctor was just skimming all this money off of him telling him he had cancer and then as soon as he got a real diagnosis from a you know the real doctor second opinion and then that doctor was like hey you don't have cancer and david geffen's like how do i know you're right and that guy's like i don't know maybe get a third opinion and it's like it feels like a kind of pyramid scheme and doctors yeah to be like if you don't agree with me i mean my friend could tell you something if you want to hear him yeah yeah well the doctor like looked at all of his old uh biopsies or whatever and was like there's no cancer here right he asked the doctor how do you know you're right?

He's like did you see how many chauffeured cars pulled up in my office? Like I'm a rich person doctor. Nobody's taking public transit to get here. That's how you know I'm giving you correct medical advice. But yeah no this was also

when he thought he was going gonna die when he got into religion because somebody from a particular church told him brother you could live forever in the underworld allegedly um but anyways steve jobs was probably like cancer whatever they said geffen had cancer where's where's my carrot juice they actually covered it up because steve jobs uh died of a heart attack after he was yelling so passionately at a jamba juice employee fucked up his order you gave me the wedge but none of the fucking wheatgrass i will end you i think like uh i'm paraphrasing but there is a an anecdote in the steve jobs biography and what we'll get

to steve jobs on the lauren pal jobs episode but basically he like timed his jamba juice employee and like chewed him out and like made him cry. Really? He was just like a psychopath. I mean, like whatever, you know, artists are crazy, but it's like this is a kid working at Jamba Juice making $9 an hour, you piece of shit. No, I mean, I hate to have... Also, fast and loose with the word artist. I love the aside of like people, especially when he died,

I was a little bit off track, but like the amount of just like worship you know dick sucking that steve jobs got but it's like name one influential woman that's a deadbeat mom you just can't do it and it's like i love that steve jobs was like i have a daughter her name's lisa i guess i should embrace her i'll name one of my products that's gonna be the greatest thing ever bombs the lisa computer is the worst fucking computer that they released yeah he also didn't talk to the Lisa computer

he didn't use its voice recognition software Steve love me I'm working Lisa it's like he leaves the Lisa computer at his ex-wife's house but anyways so geffen gets the clean bill of health uh in 1979 i think steve jobs said that um instead of saying he was going out to get a pack of cigarettes he said he was going out to get a

pack of fruit juice because that's that's what he used for his cancer treatment. Oh, really? Well, that's, yeah, the idea. Like, essentially, it's a digression, but for those who don't know the story, Steve Jobs was diagnosed with cancer, and then he pursued homeopathic treatment, which is called committing suicide. But doing it in a real California way. But anyways, David Geffen.

In 1979, he's given a clean bill of health, and he returns to the music industry. He founds Geffen Records in 1980 as a 50-50 partnership with Warner. And so, interestingly enough, he releases John Lennon's last album, which John Lennon, of course, recorded with Yoko Ono, and that album debuted it at number eight on the billboard

charts, and then three weeks later, John Lennon engaged in a very coy publicity stunt by being shot to death in New York. And with the help of one Mark David Chapman, that number,

that album shot up to number one. It's so funny. Like you think Devin could, Geffen could have allegedly. Look, I've, I've got some message boards open on here that take that allegedly pretty far.

Really? Yeah. It became, it became a business practice that he would continue into the 90s according to these message boards sure

but yes no again going back to the PBS documentary so when they talk about this like it's clear they edited Geffen like to try and make him not look like as much of an asshole or a psychopath yeah yeah he seems so thrilled that john lennon's album went to number one after he got shot to death the editing is like we were so sad about john i mean

extremely happy about the album sales but really what a tragedy but honestly we made a fucking bunch of money on that shitty album but uh yeah no so he tells this story like he goes to the hospital with yoko oh no david geffen does and then he takes yoko back to the apartment and then uh geffen's telling the story and he's like yeah and when i got there i saw they had like a vision board type thing you know with their album and it's uh number eight with a bullet and then you can tell like somebody's like gevin you sure you want to say that but no he goes like their album is there you know and it's like number eight with a bullet and they had drawn an arrow

pointing it to number one because they believed that they could like wish for things and manifest it and boy did that work. They signed a Faustian bargain. It was a real monkey's paw vision board. What they forgot to put on their vision board was not getting shot outside your house. You want me to put on the mask, David? Before we sacrifice the child. No.

I advocate for women's rights and I beat my wife. John, I've been reading this book. It's called Catching the Roar. I think you've checked it out. That was Ringo, by the way. I want everyone to know I was doing Ringo. I'm worried they're going to expose me for stealing everything from this Mark David Chapman guy.

Using his thoughts for passing them off as my own. I can't look at Get Out that I'm a phony. Okay, so they do have a big hit with that but interestingly enough Geffen records loses money for like the first five years because you know like they sign Elton John for a lot of money they sign Neil Young for a lot of money and Neil Young does not perform as commercially well as they would have liked yeah so Neil Young for those who of money and Neil Young does not perform as commercially well as they would have liked. Yeah, so Neil Young, for those who don't know, he's known for songs that sound like this. And then they signed him and he started doing songs that sound more like this.

What year is this? This is 1982. 1982, yeah. And there's this, this is a song called Sample and Hold where it's eight minutes of this. Neil Kraftwerk Diamond. Yeah. And there's a video of him performing it live and the audience looks so confused like they're just staring blankly like are we are we at a neil young concert because that looks like him so

david geffen uh sued neil young yes for uh experimenting with his music which like it was a hilarious turn by neil young but it's also like you sign an artist to be an artist and artists are gonna experiment right and so but he like geffen just sees dollars like if uh we'll talk about this later but when he talks about work or starting dreamworks um and he just talks about the movies. He talks about them entirely based on their returns. Right, right. It's almost like he's a capitalist or something. And he's got that narcissistic capitalist curse, which is, I want to name everything I own after myself,

even the things I give money to, because fuck what they are, they're now me. Yeah. That was nice that we did play a clip for our audience of what a multi-million dollar lawsuit sounds like i just like the idea that like while he's recording this jeff and his lawyers are like in the studio drafting the papers um but yeah no and again in the pbs documentary They do confront him about this And he's like, yeah, you know, I had some people around me Who, like, encouraged me to go forward

With the lawsuit, and I regret it It's like the only bad thing about him They put in the documentary Is that he sues Neil Young In 1983 And he sued Neil Young For playing music that was, quote, Non-characteristic unquote of neil

young and also quote non-commercial and you know what look me in the eyes and tell me this is a commercial i will say if you can't sell this it's on you in the 1980s come on everyone was on coke they'd love this shit i love it now now. Andy, play more of it. If you're listening, start dancing. And if you don't like this, we did have to make Andy agree to not play any Nirvana today. So this is what you get instead. But so he drops the lawsuit eventually,

Geffen does, and he apologizes to Neil Young, but their relationship was permanently harmed. A running theme in Mr. Geffen's life. Right. But also, in 1981, he starts Geffen Films, and they released their first film, Risky Business, in 1983. Oh, what's that about? It's a huge smash hit. enough the director actually talks about this is that um in the end of risky the director talks about how risk risky business was supposed to be kind of like a dark satire of like capitalists

and capitalism uh which he even says like ironically enough david geffen bought it and you know sold it oh really um but the director talks about how geffen insisted that they change the ending because the original ending of risky business he fails essentially he gets rejected from princeton and david geffen insisted that he succeed in the ending and he and they asked him how that was resolved and the director said well like most things david geffen got his way yeah right so they changed the ending to make it a happy ending and it was a huge hit they also did beetlejuice in 1980, Little Shop of Horrors in 1986. So in the 1980s, Geffen finally starts to have success in the film business.

So interesting thing. So you can blame David Geffen for half of Hot Topics. Let's just say there's a's a reason mr geffen is so in tuned with what the youth of this country wants allegedly no that one is true he he is in tune with what the youth want allegedly uh david geffen is responsible for hot topic um but so anyways um in uh in 85 so he signed this joint venture with uh warner music in uh um 1980 for his label gave it geffen records but in 80 it's a five-year deal so in 1985 they're

up for renewal and david geffen asks for a five million dollar advance to continue but and this is according to the biography the The Operator, that was published in 2000 and made Geffen very angry. In order to renegotiate, I'm quoting from the San Francisco Gate here, the newspaper, Geffen knew that his old friend Moe Osteen at Warner was tough to bargain with. So he engineered the end of their friendship that would and did leave him free to negotiate with Warner's Steve Ross, who rarely denied his protege Geffen anything. Geffen destroyed the friendship by taking Osteen's wife to lunch and telling her that

her husband didn't really care about her. Apparently, he said, you know your husband doesn't love you. What? So basically, in order to be able to negotiate with a more amenable person at warner he destroyed his friendship with osteen though i guess they've made up because geffen's so powerful or whatever you know she did after that lunch what's that she went home started crying and then put on this record um but yeah so essentially like in order to uh negotiate better he takes his friend's

wife to lunch and then tells her that her husband doesn't love her so you know it just gives you kind of an idea of uh psychopath exactly yeah the guy sugarcoat it doesn't really have that's a psychopathic move permanent relationships but he's actually able to because of this move he's negotiating with steve of Warner now. And the deal that Steve Ross enters into is one of the stupidest in music history. It kind of went down. So basically what happened is because, as we mentioned, Geffen Records is losing money at this point. And Geffen originally asked for like a $5 million advance to keep going.

And then instead that gets rejected. So Geffen says, OK, give me $0 advance. But in five years, I get 100% control of Geffen Records. and then instead that gets rejected so geffen says okay give me zero dollars advance but in five years i get 100 control of geffen records he takes the entire 50 that warner has at this point and so they sign that deal in 85 and then like in 86 and then um geffen at this point has like a team of a and r's three in particular um who are mentioned in the documentary uh music fans may or may not be particularly familiar with them but they saw his a and r's go out and they scour the country

his a and r's sign aerosmith in 1984 they signed guns and roses in 1986 i forget the exact year but they get nirvana as well but basically who had the smash hit. But so basically, Geffen gets all of these, you know, hugely popular bands. And like his entire role in like Guns N' Roses, in the PBS documentary, they interview the A&R who signed Guns N' Roses. And he says, you know, Guns N' Roses had, you know, Welcome to the Jungle, and they were stuck at 200,000 records sold. So the A&R said to David Geffen, if you can just get these guys on MTV, that's all we need to break them through. And so Geffen calls up his friend at MTV, and they put the Guns N' Roses video on at 4 a.m., and it lights up the switchboards. And then from that, stuck at 200,000, just playing them mtv gets them the exposure that eventually allows them to sell almost 100 million records wow at 4 a.m and his pull was that like fucking amazing

like crazy yeah nuts yeah i guess with the guns and roses fans were all up doing coke yeah sure right right right i mean it's a different time people are watching tv at 4 a.m you know high on smack but it's it's kind of a point where it's like, you know, whatever you say about Geffen's work in the 70s where he did do some work discovering artists like the Eagles, Crosby, Stills, and Nash

and bringing them to mainstream exposure. By the 80s, he is full capitalist. Right. Where he is hiring these A&Rs and saying, go find me bands

and then because it's my company, I am going to cash the billion dollar checks. Like, you'll get some money, but I am just getting money for having money. Like in the 80s, he was signing real artists like Crosby,

Stills and Nash. You know, it was about the music. 70s. Or 70s. And then in the 80s, he subjected us to Aerosmith. But so anyways.

But then he, he repented for that by destroying them all with Kurt Cobain. Kurt saved rock from itself. Yes. Yes, Kurt stole black music, but he did it the right way. Allegedly. Geffen was like crying like the end of Old Yeller when he put Kurt Cobain down with that shotgun Sean Sean thinks black music is black Francis from the pixies

um but anyways um so essentially this is you know one of the stupidest deals in music history is uh all control of Geffen records is signed over to david geffen as of 1990 he owns all of it and he almost immediately sells it for uh in 1990 he sells geffen records for 550 million of mca stock the next year mca is sold to a japanese company um and geffen's 550 million stock becomes 750 million dollars cash wow so he says he is a billionaire by 1995 and uh yeah and then wow a billionaire by 85 95 95 yeah but so basically yeah that's how geffen like really broke through to not even be a multi-millionaire anymore he just became this is you know what really drove the sales in 1994? Was it the Neil Young record on a resurgence?

It had a real rebound. They undervalued that one. It's just that David Geffen, he learned his lesson from John Lennon, which is, you know, when someone who is in a... Kill your rock stars. What if, like, Geffen was, like, one of those, like of those like mob bosses who like could designate like hitmen but he just loves the thrill so much that he like went to kurt's house himself with the shotgun put the gloves on you know what's what's great is that so there is a group of

people who believe that davidffen killed Kurt Cobain. Hell yes. And so I looked it up and found the message boards. And there's this message board above topsecret.com that is a big conspiracy theory message board. Like their new topics are, let's see, the deodorant conspiracy. The background of their thing is the moon landing. And so I in in this message board and frequently go on and or i'm looking at this thread about david geffen and immediately

like these people are like yeah this is bullshit like these people on this moon landing um and a message board are just like, yeah, this doesn't make sense. They're like, guys, we all know Geffen was not involved in Tower 7. It was the CIA and a group of venture capitalists. Oh, yeah, there's definitely some people who are saying it was the CIA,

that Geffen worked with the CIA. Oh God. Interestingly, I allegedly, yes. Um, but actually just kind of like related to that. Like when I was doing some Geffen research, I was on this website that had like a lot of like hard dirt about Geffen.

And then I look in the top corner and I see that the website image is a star of David. I'm like, all right, well this website does not seem to be saying nice things about Jewish people. Oh yeah, and I guess we should mention that it is

a stereotype against gay men that they are pedophiles. I don't think Geffen is a satanic pedophile because he is a gay man. I think he is a satanic pedophile. Who happens to be a gay man. Because he's worth $8.4 billion. That's what makes him a satanic pedophile. Who happens to be a gay man. Because he's worth $8.4 billion. That's what makes him a satanic pedophile.

That's crazy. Allegedly. Allegedly. You mentioned that he's a billionaire in 94, 95. So that's pre-tech billionaires. This is outside of finance. He's one of the first American billionaires? Yeah, I mean, he's one of the early billionaires honestly yeah

that's crazy and definitely like as we mentioned the richest man in hollywood damn um but uh so in 94 he uh co-founds a dreamworks along with steven spielberg and jerry katzenberg also did not pay kurt's legal fees when uh um vanity fair wrote a hit piece about him uh which is attributed to being one of the big things that drove him to suicide after that hit piece caused Child Protective Services to try to take Francis Bean away from them when she was born. Yes, but Andy, what were the album sales like

after his death? I'm just saying... Kevin engineered a Machiavellian thing to make Kurt kill himself. He calls up the Vanity Fair journalists and like, you know what would really drive Kurt insane? If you took his daughter away... You want another good album?

You know what to do. I'm just saying, for all the money that he made... Kurt should have been aware when he took him aside. He's like, I'm the one who made John Lennon number one. And I'll do the same for you. Kurt's takeaway, the year that never mind uh crushed the billboard charts after illegal fees only 80 000 really yeah that's fucking nuts yeah and yeah and like this is just the capitalist system where it's like uh you know we can debate about this. I would say, you know, people... That's, by the way, in the book, Montage...

No, Heavier Than Heaven. Heavier Than Heaven. The Kurt biography. Did you guys know Andy's a white guy who's into Nirvana? He's very original. But anyways, the point is, like, we can argue, and I would say, okay, the people who do help artists get some exposure, of course, deserve some cut,

but essentially, under our currently configured capitalist system, their takeaway is so out of whack with the value actually contributed, where we have like what we're talking about with Kurt Cobain making David Geffen a billionaire and getting $80,000 from fucking Nevermind. So David Geffen, along with Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg, co-found DreamWorks in 1994. And then in the PBS documentary, David Geffen gives his entire ownership of DreamWorks to his foundation, and they interview Steven Spielberg, and he goes, David has a very generous soul. And we haven't gotten into it

enough yet, but I do want to do it more in a future episodes about what a complete scam private foundations are. Because all billionaires set them up now. There's several hundred thousand throughout america but the thing about private foundations is they are only required by law to donate about five percent of their assets every year to non-profits but non-profits like in the case of the coke brothers can be the fucking cato institute or um uh andrew sheaf melon uh the melon heir who funded the Heritage Foundation, you know, etc. So like a lot of these private foundations, there's no disclosure. We have no idea what they're fucking doing with the money, but they get a tax deduction for doing it. And they get to be like, oh, I have a foundation.

I'm such a good person. So private foundations are one of the ultimate charity scams in the fucking world. And, you know, if he wanted to do good with his money, he should just give it to oxfam or whatever organization that will actually spend it but instead he gives it to his private foundation so that he can jerk himself off and steven spielberg can kiss his ass so again open up the books in your private foundation asshole we have no idea what you're doing with that money and i'm going to guess most of it just gets spent naming buildings after him right my favorite building that he naming buildings after him. Right. My favorite building that he got named after him was the Geffen Playhouse.

Which is a house where plays are, but boy, does that have a... Boy, does it have a pizza with extra sausage sound to it. The Geffen Playhouse is actually the Basement area of his yacht But so anyways They found DreamWorks in 94 It's not illegal if it's under the waterline In international waters Allegedly

They found DreamWorks in 94 They get a billion dollardollar line of credit from J.P. Morgan, plus $600 million in equity financing. Geffen leaves in 2008. Paramount eventually purchases DreamWorks. And I guess we can just kind of talk a bit with the time we have left about the philanthropy as well as some of the rumors.

Geffen was, for the record, inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2010. You know, best parasite. But, oh, and just like random thing. He has, so essentially like, I personally believe Geffen knows a lot of where the bodies are buried. I don't know if he was involved in any of these things.

But, like, his taste is legal men, for the most part, that we know of. He brought a 26-year-old to an Obama state dinner, like a really hunky, like, ripped football player type boyfriend. They were dating since that guy was 22. Yeah, nice. And then he also recently, I think in late 2014, according to the Daily Mail, he broke up with his 20-year-old boyfriend and that he had to get a restraining order against his 20-year-old boyfriend.

And this is a, at the time, I believe 69-year-old man dating a 20-year-old. So, you know, I mean, it's like not illegal, but, and again, of course, plenty of men do that with women and to a lesser extent vice versa, but, you know. You could say it's barely legal. Never mind, Andy. Anyway, I mean, the thing is that like...

So there's also like that open secret allegation, like didn't he invest in... Do we want, so yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess like, let's just address the rumors here. If you've seen the documentary, An Open Secret, they talk about Digital Entertainment Network, which was run by Mark Collins Rector, who is a convicted pedophile. And it was supposed, it was a precursor to YouTube. It was founded in the late 90s, or I think 2000, 99, excuse me. me um but so they uh they essentially had the idea to start up youtube but also netflix and produce original content but there wasn't enough broadband yet so they eventually failed but um the according to this documentary i'm just going to quote from buzzfeed for a second here uh to avoid legal problems uh we're actually we'll start with an indie wire um digital entertainment network's original backers included uh brian singer another director of x-men who's been accused of pedophilia allegedly and david geffen wait is the accusation alleged or the fact that it was

it's filed in court okay he has been sued over this uh brian singer has been so uh brian singer put up fifty thousand dollars david geffen put up uh two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to a digital entertainment network this is according to indie wire and then if i can make some five times the pedophile allegedly allegedly if i can just quote from buzzfeed here uh there's a long piece that's very fascinating it talks about a lot of different things but according from buzzfeed um they're talking about uh mark collins rector the the pedophile convicted who ran digital entertainment network and quote they say running his business out of a los angeles mansion he and his two business partners his boyfriend at the time chad shackley and former boyfriend and former child star brock pierce who is now a board member at the Bitcoin Foundation, hosted lavish parties attended by Hollywood's gay A-list.

Their guests included relative newcomer Bryan Singer, now the director of the X-Men movies, and the legendary media mogul David Geffen, both of whom were investors in DEN. It was at those parties that Collins Rectors and others allegedly sexually assaulted half a dozen teenage boys, according to two sets of civil lawsuits. The first filed in uh 99

through 2002 and the second filed in 2000 um i believe 15 17 um and if you watch an open secret what's they they interview some of some of these boys uh who come forward and what's very bizarre is like some of the shows they created like were about like a teenage boy who gets taken in by these like two rich men and the boy comes over and it's like wow you guys have a pool and that's basically the plot of the show that they made which was essentially what actually happened was like you know they would take in these young actors and be like hey come live at our mansion but then this uh what actually happened also was a sexual assault allegedly allegedly yeah i mean like this is not necessarily according to this but like the like the way to brainwash people is to put them in scenarios where they are enacting what is going to happen to them but without the terrible part of it

and so like this is a perfect example like oh you're gonna be in a tv show and you should be a kid that hangs out with rich people and then slowly that becomes a normality that you're okay with and then it becomes something that you want to reveal to people in the future because it's fucked up david geffen took them aside he's like you know john lennon and kurt cobain tried to reveal what i was doing but anyways just to continue from buzzfeed because we should mention this uh geffen i'm quoting here geffen was not accused of any misconduct in the suits nor named as a defendant his attorney attorney said that Geffen, on occasion, was a guest at the parties given by DEN investors, but recalls no one at them who appeared to be underage. And BuzzFeed also quotes Geffen's attorney as telling them very clearly,

if you publish anything bad, we will sue you. And it's just kind of a very fascinating story. But basically, you can believe Mark Collins Rector or not, the pedophile, but he was very terrified of Geffen. And he believed, in fact, went so far as to believe Geffen would kill him and flood the country. Which is a theme with people that are threatened by Geffen. Someone needs to take that guy aside and be like, dude, you're safe. Yeah. You don't have a hit record.

A hit record or a hit record. But essentially, Brock Pierce, the child star we mentioned, who was also named in these lawsuits, testified under oath that Mark Collins' record rector had repeatedly refused, I'm quoting from BuzzFeed, had repeatedly refused Geffen's offers to buy the firm. Geffen, Pierce said, responded, I'm going to take your business whether you like it or not. And Mark Collins Rector essentially believes that Geffen was the guy who leaked some of these things to the Los Angeles Times, which eventually forced him to flee the country and divest himself of this digital entertainment network.

And they also believe that like a guy that was cavorting with them was also passing information along to David Geffen and again, I would never, never, Mr. Geffen's attorneys, say that he was involved in any of these things personally. But I do believe he knew about a lot of these things that were going on. And he certainly knows more than he said. But because he's Hollywood's richest man and he can pick up the phone and destroy people's careers, people are very cautious about naming him publicly. He also allegedly produced Shrek 2. But just like one thing on this that, again, a lot of smoke, no fire. But Rose McGowan, of course, as you all know, was a woman who was assaulted by Harvey Weinstein. And she's named a lot of men, such as Ben Affleck,

who knew what was going on and didn't do anything. She tweeted on October 30, 2017, and I'm paraphrasing here, Kevin Spacey, Bryan Singer, Garth Ancier, David Geffen, good afternoon. How are you today? Of course, the other three men have all been accused of rape and pedophilia uh david geffen has not been but she deleted that tweet not too long after she sent it so it just seems inconceivable to me that this guy who's the most powerful man in hollywood didn't know some of these things were going on and at least didn't say anything. I mean, it's extremely plausible

because there was a roast that Jimmy Iovine had for David Geffen and Tom Hanks was roasting him as the emcee and he's making bits. It's like, remember when we buried that kid in Vegas? The audience laughs. Tom Schooley, your career is further underground than that child outside the desert sands. The Castaway Island was just bodies and we put sand on top.

So, I mean, Tom Hanks is doing like you know bullshit like uh hey how many y'all been on his yacht you know like very like uh not big enough for everyone in this room but uh big enough for you you know like but like it's a room full of people who are uh extremely established and well off and it's it's sick it's just disgusting because it's like you know all these things whether it's the me Too movement or the Serpetophilia with Corey Haim, Corey Follman to just the conspiracies around Kurt Cobain and John Lennon it's like

the water's dirty and the blood in the water exists because fucking there's a shark in it and that's David Geffen allegedly and then just like one other thing I found online and again this is an anonymous commentator this could be complete bullshit but from what everything else i've read about geffen uh and also like you know just watching like the weinstein documentary that frontline did which i

recommend but they talk about how weinstein would hire you know like in in this business in a lot of business they hire essentially um what do you call them? Not security firms, but opposition research firms to look into their competition. But you can also pay them to essentially look into women who are accusing you of things. And so the Frontline documentary goes through how one of these Hollywood firms looked into women who were accusing Weinstein of things. And so, you know, again, I totally believe Geffen has used these kinds of things. But the point is there's... Oh, yeah. In his 92Y interview, he faults...

What was it? The former CEO, but at that time, current CEO of Disney, Michael Eisner, for letting Weinstein walk away. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Wow But so this is an anonymous Commentator from datalounge.com Which is kind of a LGBT Focused gossip website

But anonymous commentator Take this with a grain of salt but see if this seems Like something David Geffen might do He says quote I went on two dates with Geffen back in 1990 I was 19 He seemed to be the perfect gentleman Then a friend that had been one of his boy toys told me that Geffen had me followed and investigated for about a month prior. He told me that he'd actually

seen some pictures and that he knew I was adopted. No one knew that. I was so freaked out and pissed, I just stopped taking his calls. He basically stalked me for about two months after that. He's evil to the core. And it's like everything I know about Geffen is that from my research, I don't know the guy personally, but he's a control freak. He needs to be the guy in charge. He hates having a boss. He wants control over every single little detail. So it is totally believable to me that he would look into people and investigate them and know a lot of dirt just for the way he operates his business to make money but also just to control people in his life and uh the thing is like there have been a lot of different press reports about

again we've we've mentioned his 20 something boyfriends he is a particular type he has a lot of boy toys you know this is a 70 year old man even outside of all the things that are alleged there are genuine stories of him being a bit psychopathic whether it's the i'm going to tell your wife you don't love her or the you know uh there's a few articles that we haven't even touched about like him being a horrible neighbor in new york where he's doing construction and then ruining the properties for his neighbors basically and they're suing him for two million and then once that lawsuit is settled he claims the construction company fucked up and then sues them for a million dollars. It's like, yo, Gaff, you don't need that million.

Move on, bro. It's one of those things where it's not just that they're bad people who are evil and mean, but they're sadistic in how evil they are. And also, according to this message board, the CIA is the private property of the Rothschilds and the globalists. They protect international interests of the ultra-rich. Nothing else. In my opinion, Cobain, or IMO,

Cobain was useful as a walking honey boy for heroin use and eventually became worth more dead than alive. Had too much knowledge of the inner workings of the CIA-funded subculture of drugs, teen prostitution, blackmail, etc., and too much potential power to damage that agenda.

It is entirely plausible that he was, quote, suicided by the CIA. CIA record mogul David Geffen profited on both the deaths of John Lennon and Kurt Cobain. In both cases, space, comma, space, they left behind heroin-addicted domineering widows who aspired to rock fame. This is just a smidgen of the huge amount of research

done on the topic on this thread. And then there's a link. That's from Thunkerdome. Okay. On the above top secret profile. Mr. Geffen's attorneys, we believe all of this. But I guess I know we're running out of time here, but just like a couple other interesting things we've mentioned, and I've quoted a bit from the 2000 biography of David Geffen, The Operator. It was written by a Wall Street journalist that David Geffen originally cooperated with, but then withdrew his cooperation when he decided that the book was going to paint him unfairly.

The guy's name was Tom King. The book was released in 2000 and just to quote a little bit from a New York Mag article about it, one time Tom King returned from an interview with the subject with Geffen calling him

furious about a question he just found out had been asked. The guy had called up Geffen calling him furious about a question he just found out had been asked. So, you know, like the guy had called up Geffen and told him what questions, or Geffen called the guy and been like, what questions did this guy ask you? And just all these kind of like weird kind of control freaky things. But basically

this New York Mag article ends in a very disturbing but also funny way. I just want to quote it to give you guys context here. So the book was published in 2000. This is written in 2000. New York Mac. King, Tom King, who sets out on his book tour this week,

is back to work at the Journal, writing a weekly column about Hollywood. So far being Geffen's number one enemy hasn't hindered his job. If anything, it gets my calls returned faster, he says. At the end of the day, says one of King's colleagues, who cares what David Geffen thinks about him? he's a reporter at the wall street journal what's the worst thing that could happen to tom he won't get a contract at dreamworks and now if i may just

quote from the la times three years later entertainment journalist tom king who wrote a wall street journal's influential hollywood journal hollywood journal column and a best-selling biography of mogul david geffen died sunday what he was 39 years old uh he king was in the hamptons in new york visiting broadway producer jeffrey seller of rent a friend of king's seller said that king had been in good spirits but had complained of a headache although it seemed like nothing out of the ordinary he said he discovered king shortly before 8 a.m. Sunday, collapsed on the bathroom floor. He was taken to a Southampton hospital where he was pronounced dead. Initial reports,

natural causes, autopsy forthcoming. But, you know, some blind items about that one. But, basically... Guys, you know what I hate? How popular our podcast is going to be with all dead. I really hate knowing that we're going to get hits upon hits upon hits

after we all suddenly get headaches. You know what I mean? My only request is that they play this at my funeral. My last words are going to be, Good news, guys. David Geffen says he's going to get us the number one podcast in America. But, you know, hey, we're not alleging any foul play. 39-year-olds who have reported no health problems at all in their lives

just dropped dead all the time in the Hamptons three years after writing a controversial biography about David Geffen. I mean, I think it was just a coincidence but boy uh but just like yes Sean it was a coincidence we all agree yes right Andy coincidence correct it was a coincidence yes yeah um but just so the the story about him telling the guy's wife that she doesn't love him anymore comes from that book. But one other fun story. According to the book, again, this is from San Francisco Gates, summary of the book. While producing the Girl Meets Girl sports film Personal Best, Geffen clashed so violently with director Robert Towney that he extracted vindiction, quote, in a move so Machiavellian that could have fit into a scene in town script for Chinatown, I guess he wrote the movie, as the film neared completion, Geffen threatened to pull out unless Towney signed a contract for two more films.

That may seem like an olive branch, but according to King, Geffen knew that the two films would never be made and that Towney's career would be ruined because he would be obligated to Geffen until they were. So essentially, he just signed them to two films and then refused to let him make the films, and then he couldn't do anything until he made the two films. So it's just that kind of Machiavellian shit is just how Geffen operates. Tried to Frank Ocean him. Wasn't smart enough.

And I guess we can real quick mention Geffen's philanthropy. So there's a Gawker article that's pretty great. Geffen donated $100 million to UCLA to, quote, establish a private middle and high school on the Westwood Campus Party for the children and faculty of UCLA staff. So essentially, he donated money to establish a private school for staff members of the elite university UCLA. And then, quoting Gawker, the name of the school, do you even have to ask?

The Geffen Academy. But just one more fun quote from Gawker. $100 million can do a lot of good. For example, GiveWell estimated that a donation of that size to the Against Malaria Foundation could save nearly 30,000 lives. So to repeat, the money could save 30,000 human lives. Instead, Geffen is building a private school so that his favorite university

might gain a bit of prestige. Courtney Gawker. And also, as we mentioned, he gave $100 million to the Lincoln Center to get his name on it. He gave $100 million to MoMA to get a gallery with his name on it. And this is the guy that Steven Spielberg

describes as having such a generous spirit. He's still worth $8.4 billion. He has a billion in yachts, a billion in art. And he just gives money to fucking rich people institutions to put his name on them. Is it crazy that he spent more money

on gas for his yacht than he probably has given away? It's probably nuts. But, you know, he probably had to pay people out of his foundation for their silence. It's crazy how him starting a private school doesn't bode well for his conspiracy as well. I guess that's about it. We don't have a Patreon, but I was thinking

just a random thought is that instead of doing the two episodes a month, we could actually get our patrons to decide which medications Andy takes before we record. At the $10 a month level, you get to donate and you decide which of Andy's before we record. So at the $10 a month level, you get to donate and you decide

which of Andy's four prescriptions he'll fulfill. My advice would be get him to take none of his antidepressants and double his Adderall dose. You know, the two episodes for $5, I think that model's played out. So our experimenting with drugs on andy model i think this is what's gonna but you know the point is after we release this episode we will all be killed so unfortunately steven will be coming steve jeffries will be coming back to a empty

podcast but he'll he'll keep it going after denouncing us in a in a deposition forced by Mr. Geffen's lawyers. Yeah, I think that's about it on my end. You guys, anything we missed on Mr. Geffen? At one point he was a... Andy, turn that off. At one point he was an outspoken Democrat, but basically after Bill Clinton didn't fulfill a pardon that he wanted, he was kind of like, fuck politics.

I just want to party with the motherfuckers. Yeah, and then ironically, Obama didn't do the same pardon, but still got to cruise on his yacht. So maybe there was something else, maybe some sort of pizza-related dispute. Allegedly. Oh, and Andy mentioned he made a bunch of money off the savings and loan crisis,

and it's just kind of funny because he bragged in an interview about what a value investor he was. And just for people who don't know, the savings and loan crisis involved $124 billion of taxpayer money being spent to bail out these companies. Because he was like, yeah, I bought these stocks for pennies on the dollar and made a bunch of money because I'm a genius. Because that's what a value investor does. It waits for the government to fucking step in yeah he just bought a bunch of junk bonds and then the government bailed out on like you know 29 cents to the dollar he said like kroger or something and then he said in 18 months they were uh back to full value anyways uh so i think we can definitively say David Geffen, not a good billionaire. I think that's the assessment I'm getting here.

Corey Feldman, if you're listening, we would love to have you on the podcast. Yogi has enough money to fulfill your $10 million. We will get you a new identity, but you do have to give us the cooperating information. Yeah, no, Mr. Geffen, thank you for the music. But you do have to give us the cooperating information. Yeah. No, Mr. Geffen, thank you for the music. We owe it all to you. In one of the articles written about his Malibu mansion, basically the beaches are available for the public,

but David Geffen decided, fuck that noise. And so there was an area where you could walk onto the beach, but David Geffen built a mock four-car garage to block the area. Fucking asshole. And put a curb that had the tow-away red marks on it. And it's interesting because in the article, I think it's Verge or whatever it is, the guy goes, I mean, it's kind of fucked up that David Geffen did this, but he also did give us never mind and that's the thing that's like you can't qualify their shitty actions by

some of the good that they've done in the world and i mean it's one of those things where andy turn up this music because the reality is even though geffen gave us this masterpiece it doesn't exclude him from the bullshit that he's done. You know what those people said when they withdrew their lawsuits against Bryan Singer? Hmm. Never mind.

What? And with that, this has been Grubstakers. My name's Yogi Pollywall. I'm Andy Palmer. I'm Sean McCarthy. Thanks for listening. Back next week. Thank you. New design, new design Sample and roll I need a unit to assemble them all

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