Grubstakers - Episode 227: The Kennedys Part 1

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

On this episode we're taking a trip to Camelot to attend the court of America's favorite Irish family, the Kennedys. For part 1 of an upcoming 4 part series we examine the rise of Joe Kennedy and the war adventures of a young disease-riddled Jack Fitzgerald. So far it looks like nothing but smooth sailing for this rugged band of papists.

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And listen, Blue Ivy is six years old. Beyonce's dead. She tried to outbid me on a painting. Everybody in Atlanta right now at the Louis Vuitton store, if you black, don't go to Louis Vuitton today. In five, four, three, two today in five that's why you need to take a meeting with kanye west bernard arnault hello and welcome to grubstakers the podcast about billionaires my name is sean p mccarthy and i am joined today by my fellow irish catholics

yogi paywall sear jeffers maddie palmer and today we wanted to do a bit of a late saint patrick's day celebration and talk about the greatest family of Irish American aviators in history. And that is, of course, the Kennedy family. We all watched the six-part CNN documentary series entitled American Dynasties, the Kennedys. And in terms of a review, I think we can all agree that the CNN part of the title gives you all of the review that you need, but we will be going through the chronology of that documentary as well as filling in some of the information it skips over. To just start with some basic information about the Kennedy family itself, there are today over 100 members in that family dynasty.

Forbes magazine estimated that as of 2015, 30 of those family members have a combined net worth of 1.2 billion US dollars. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. was JFK's father. He was at one time one of the top 20 richest individuals in the United States, with an estimated net worth in 1935 of 180 million, which translates to about 3.36 billion in 2020 dollars. So we're going to tell that family story in mostly chronological order, kind of starting with JFK's great grandfather, you know, going on through his father, JFK, the assassination, RFK, Teddy, and then we'll round it out with some of the more defective models of the family,

the duds that don't quite function the way the originals do. But, you know, of course, it's a big topic, so we're not going to rush it. We're going to take our time and just go through it. So if necessary, we'll break this up into multiple episodes. But before we start the chronological story of the Kennedy family, we should just kind of go around and spend a few minutes talking about what our general impressions are of that family going into this, as well as what our impressions were of this CNN documentary we all watched. Well, I just want to say, you know, after watching the CNN documentary, my main takeaway about the Kennedys can be summed up in one word, glamour. They were glamorous.

You know, they looked good. They dressed well. They knew how to smile for a camera. And one of them was president or something. Yeah, Camelot. It's just the pageantry. I was starstruck watching this entire thing. There was also something about, I don't know, stock speculation by someone in the distant past that isn't important to the story of the family. Joe was not a bootlegger. There's no evidence that Joe was a bootlegger.

It kind of, yeah, I mean, CNN in the title. Yeah, definitely. that clues you in that they're going to downplay all of the what should be basically almost common knowledge as far as like some of the family skeletons but um not if you your main source of the news is cnn i think they spent more time on jackie's outfits than they did on the Cuban crisis. Andy is not exaggerating. They actually did do that. The doc for me

from CNN gets a D minus. I think that for a six hour documentary that has zero Marilyn Monroe footage and not nearly enough JFK just getting his dick wet everywhere. I think that bullshit if you ask me for in six hours you can't show marilyn monroe uh you know getting it on well yeah yogi in fairness

they did have the marilyn monroe singing happy birthday footage but they didn't have the secret marilyn monroe james engleton recording jfk footage uh but that's, you can't even FOIA that right now. Yeah, they also didn't include the footage of Bobby's henchmen going into her hotel with a syringe and making sure she stays quiet. We choose to kill Marilyn Monroe and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. You know, I got to say for a doc about the Kennedys called the dynasties, it's really just a hundred years of mediocre white people crashing and burning in mysterious ways.

The Irish are not white. America was ready for a queen. That is actually something they said about Jackie Kennedy. Jackie, I'm going to be cheating on you and i need you to redecorate the white house you're right sean uh the kennedys aren't white but they are from boston and so fuck them and fuck their irish loving pieces of shit clover fox people in boston can suck it y'all suck y'all know what you did interesting fact uh they did mention in the documentary and we'll we'll get to some of this later but uh jfk while he was in naval intelligence had an affair with a nazi spy a journalist is probably a nazi spy and the fbi was actually

bugging him and recording his sex sessions with the spy and then later on in the white house uh cia agent james engleton would also be bugging the white house and recording his uh sex sessions with uh mary peniche meyer uh so i think jfk actually holds the presidential record for most government agencies to record him having sex to be fair by the time they were doing that in the white house they were just doing it for jerk off material they got tired of the nazi fucking can we get jfk fucking somebody new for once on tape my father agrees with what your country is doing to the jews not because it is easy but because it is easy, but because it is hot. Yeah, but no, I was actually asking on Twitter,

just the fact that the FBI and CIA do or did have recordings of JFK fucking. So it's like, could we FOIA that? Because I think we should be able to play that on our podcast. I think that has historical value as an audio drop. One thing I was, uh, I came across while I was actually researching this episode, um, or at least some, some mob stuff that we'll get to in a bit, uh, was that the FBI illegally recorded mobsters. And, um, this wasn't, uh, discovered until later. And the FBI had, by the time it was uncovered by i think it was like the church commission or you know all of those post watergate hearings um it was

uncovered and one thing they found was that like the tapes had been destroyed and it was all they had were transcripts which makes me think that if there are if there were recordings of JFK fucking, you just gotta read it and use your imagination. Do the voice in your head. It was the safest way to transport it. Yeah, they have like annotations like moaning in a Boston accent. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. At this point, John says Marilyn, but the

R's are all fucked up as he comes. Marilyn! I noticed that they started at Joe Sr. They didn't really talk about Joe's parents or his grandparents, the immigrants. They said that her mom saw the no Irish need apply signs and that made her bitter and that is after that has been thoroughly debunked the existence of those signs that in large part those are for domestic workers um for people who didn't want catholics uh raising their protestant kids and it was mostly popularized by a song fight fight fight sean defend your defend your lineage dog come on get his wasp ass out of

here i know what andy's talking about because i read a medium post from a self-hating irish american uh a house irish as it were who seems to no hard i think that there was seems to think that there was no no irish need apply signs and just like found two or three of them in the newspaper and all of recorded history um but yeah i mean i'm sure it was exaggerated the scale of it sort of like the seal in witch trails right so uh what does everyone think of the kennedy family yogi i mean like you know for how little i knew about the kennedys because like similarly to like a lot of things that like white people just kind of know off the bat and growing up as a brown kid like i didn't know like 90 of

what the doc had about kennedy and i like like purposely didn't look at it because it's one of those things where like you know the moment you start looking at it the the more your brain gets broken you know what i mean and so like yeah i wouldn't know about that just spending the last year tweeting about nothing except the jfk assassination i i do think the kennedy c assassination, which we'll talk more about later, is like the beginning of information indoctrination, brain melting nonsense. Like you learn so much about a topic that it renders you unable to function as a person afterwards. And like I started watching like various like fourth party CIA pieces on YouTube. And then like I had to stop within like an hour of that because I'm like, this would never stop.

I could do this for years of my life. And at the end of it, I'd come out more confused and have very little information on my side. I mean, it's a lot like listening to this podcast. It doesn't really accomplish what we think it's going to. It's just ruining our brains day by day or the billionaire elite would kill us by now. Those are my favorite listener reviews where they're like, yeah, Grubsticker has talked about how bad this billionaire was. And I really thought he was a piece of shit, but I can't remember anything they said in that episode. And the funniest part of that is I recorded the episodes and I have the exact same experience. Yeah. Sometimes like someone will bring up a billionaire recovered and i'm like oh yeah that guy uh did something it's the cloud of resentment sort of obscures any actual knowledge

just yeah just 200 hours of brain melting billionaire facts that no one can retain even the internet yeah i mean i think like my my opinions on the Kennedys have changed a lot. I think generally, we'll all be in agreement that it's a pretty shitty rich family that did a lot of shitty things. And we'll go through what that all is. I think the assassination itself is pretty fascinating. And we'll probably spend a fair bit of time on that later. But before we get to that, I did just want to make a note that actually uh in my obsessive uh schizophreniac russ cole tweeting about the jfk assassination i did get uh the attention of former presidential candidate marianne williamson oh she actually tweeted back at me uh

icon of the 60s uh because i had a tweet and i think uh my and again we'll talk about this later my theory is that the jfk assassination was masterminded by the cia and i think this kind of set off the other assassinations of the 60s because they went hey we killed the president and got away with it we can clip a reverend we can kill a united auto workers union leader we can kill a black panther students uh yeah so i tweeted out weird time in american history the 1960s all of the major progressive political leaders were assassinated no other time that happened even more weird all lone gunmen with no help at all all coincidences and then weirdest thing u.. politics becomes wildly more reactionary after.

And then Marianne Williamson tweets back at me, when most people die, the grief gets easier every year. But with those assassinations, it gets harder every year. Why? Because everything we feared would happen has happened. And I think that's a very insightful thing. I think American politics is still kind of traumatized by the 60s and this series of assassinations. And there's really been, I think, inarguably a dark turn ever since those occurred. And so I do think that is the significance to an extent of the

Kennedy family. My personal take is that like, well, first of all, my take is that NASA was behind the Kennedy assassination. Well, that's true. Yeah, because he made them work too hard. Like, if your boss says you have to land a man. They wanted to do the easy thing. Yeah, yeah. If your boss says you have to land a man on the moon in nine years you're gonna kill your boss that is funny to imagine the nasa employees hearing that like we choose to go to the moon not because it is easy

but because it is hot and going off this is way too hard i'm not working saturdays what the hell i do think that sean's point about the 60, it did create a infinite nostalgia for an era that never existed. I think that similar to right now with people fawning at the thought of a pre-corona time coming back, you do have an era that is so historic in terms of assassinations and every generation after that clinging to that type of American life. I mean, uh, similar to why we have you, you know, all of us saw Greece and it's a movie about kids that are like 40 plus years old, pretending to be 15 in the 50. It doesn't make any fucking sense unless you consider that there were, you know, five to ten years where anyone with hope just got their dick punched in as hard as possible. And so any sense of like, hey, remember, remember when we all used to think things could be better? That was nice.

Driving cars that were real loud and fucking chicks on the side. Well, that's and that's so true, Yogi, because the 60s, I think more than anything else, represents the last time in American politics where people had the idea that things were getting better and would continue to get better, except for about two months into Obama's presidency. There was that like little window where Obama got elected. And then by two months in, they were like, yeah, no, nothing's getting better. Everything's getting worse.

But just that and the 60s. Yeah. When Obama was like, yeah, I'm not going to release these extra Abu Ghraib pictures because I don't want to. Hey, look, I being a, a CIA, um, operation. The reason I'm kind of iffy on it is because JFK was, uh,

he was not a bastion of progressive politics. He was a pretty mediocre president, like on every, uh, level, both foreign and domestic. And, you know,

he did some things like Bay of Pigs that pissed off the CIA, and said that he was going to shatter them into a million pieces, but never really followed through on that. And so it, like, I do tend to believe, you know, theories that Martin Luther King was killed by the FBI. Like,

yeah, I'm, I'm, I think that's pretty credible. Um, but when it comes to JFK, he, he was such a product of the establishment that I find it hard to believe that he was killed by the CIA.

Oh, oh, yeah. I mean, I think we'll have this debate later on in the course of this episode. I can point to, like, the... Because I felt the exact

same way Andy did, and then I just went insane and started reading all these conspiracy books. And so I have my little dossier of evidence here that we'll run through later um but i think standing behind you at least you didn't arrive at like it never happened right by natural causes he died of natural causes later that was he was he was disappeared

that was a body double i've've come around to Jackie shot first. The best is like... Shot a little revolver in her seat and just shot upwards. That's where the bullet trajectories make no sense. What? I guess we'll get to it later. If you said it... Wait, isn't there a theory that like... The Secret Service accidentally fired and killed him?

Yeah, one of the theories is that one CIA agent accidentally shot either before or after the sniper shot and also hit Kennedy in the head. Well, and look, I honestly do believe that the CIA willfully puts out some of these disinformation things because, you know, that book, I think it came out that the secret service accidentally killed kennedy if my memory serves it came out either 92 or 93 so like right around the time

of the anniversary and right after the oliver stone movie they put this kind of theory out there and then just recently a former cia guy james wolseley uh wrote a book about how actually uh khrushchev ordered Oswald to kill Kennedy. So he's just so happens Oliver Stone has a new JFK assassination documentary coming to Cannes Film Festival in June or July. And so now they're kind of circulating again, this idea that the Soviet Union assassinated JFK, which has no basis in reality whatsoever. Yeah, like that was immediately ruled out

by both congressional investigations, which I guess means they did it. Well, and you know, like, I think the entire story of what happened after is so fascinating because again, the theory that I've kind of come around to is that a lot of what was happening with Oswald, I believe he was a CIA asset

and I believe they were a CIA asset, and I believe they were kind of sheep dipping him to make him look like an agent of Castro because they wanted to kill Kennedy and then say, hey, Castro did this, we get to invade Cuba now. But LBJ was like, obviously a psychopath, but he didn't want World War III. So you can actually listen to some of the phone conversations of LBJ, just in like days after the assassination calling people to set up the warren commission and being like yeah we just got to say this is a lone gunman we you know we all agree this was a lone gunman and a lot of people are freaking out but so i need you to get on this commission so it was kind of a thing where they all before the investigation

was complete within several days lBJ and some other people had determined that this was a lone gunman because they didn't want it to point at the Soviet Union or Cuba because they didn't want a nuclear war. And when you listen to those recordings of LBJ, you have to picture them as they were with his giant dick hanging out across his leg

to intimidate whoever's in the room. Just fondling his balls. But last one I want to make, and then, of course, we will revisit this all later and go through all of my chalkboard evidence, all of my corkboard with all the little- Red string. Spring across it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean's so crazy, his corkboard has a chalkboard. And his chalkboard has a corkboard.

I put the disinfo on the corkboard and the real info on the chalkboard. That's right. To throw off the CIA. But my last point would be, I do not actually dispute Andy's characterization of JFK as not a particularly progressive president, though I might say maybe by modern Democrat standards, but in the grand scheme of things, not really. But I do think I still buy the CIA assassination because I think the CIA and the military industrial complex, if anything, that kind of shows how really insane these people are. I would characterize them as an American Gestapo, how extremely right wing they are. And I'll just give

you two examples. We know now from declassified documents that on at least two occasions, the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed a first strike nuclear attack to JFK. Because it's an interesting thing of the Soviet Union and US military thinking of that period is the Soviets had detonated a bomb, but they didn't have like total wipe out the United States capacity yet. So US military planners did come up with this idea that if we launch a first strike nuclear attack by like 63 or 64, you know, we'll maybe lose 20 or 30 million dead, but like the US will survive. And this was, of course, you know, famously parodied in Dr. Strangelove. But this was like a real thought in military circles.

And JFK turned that down, and apparently his secretary of state at the time, I think Dean Rusk, remembers him leaving one of those meetings and saying something to the effect of, and we call ourselves the human race. So there's that element of it and then the other part is i think a lot of people know the story of operation northwoods was this insane cia uh joint chiefs of staff plot to stage false flag domestic terrorist attacks in the united states in order to have justification to invade cuba to like kill americans blow up targets and then say this was cuba we have to invade cuba most insane part of operation northwoods for the 9-11 conspiracy people is apparently there was a part of it where the cia said that they could uh make commercial airlines disappear mid-air and be replaced with drones or like military vehicles and they they could uh make this not appear on

air traffic controllers like just mid-flight they would have a a military plane with the same you know flight number identification markers and then in the air they would switch them out and air traffic control wouldn't be able to tell uh but anyways the relevant part of that is operation northwoods this false flag domestic terror attack was approved by every single member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and then was ultimately overruled by McNamara and JFK. So kind of the point here is I've seen this idea online that the military killed JFK to stop World War III, and I just want to underline that is very much not the case.

These people would have loved World War III. Wow. So wait, this whole plane in the air thing is it like batman and like a smaller batman car inside is it like there's a plane and then like it like pulls off and there's a smaller plane inside and that's got the fucking goods like what i'm confused if i if i were to guess they were probably they would probably fly a jet that's the same size as a passenger jet like over uh the passenger jet yeah so that on a radar it looks like the same thing i mean you would have to do it maybe in a place where there's like a gap between radars sure um and so they don't see you coming in and

merging with the the other jet but your radar was pretty unsophisticated back then so it would probably be pretty easy to trick you know that's where the uh urban myth of eating carrots makes your eyesight better do you guys know about this i don't know if y'all heard about that that like i carrots make your eyes so like that that that comes from world war ii where the the like fucking i don't know i think the british had the radar and the german pilots, I think the British had the radar, and the German pilots were like, what the fuck, how the fuck are they finding us? And they're like, we eat carrots.

We fucking, that makes our eyesight better. It was just a fucking. Nice information. That's how Lee Harvey Oswald took those shots. Eating a lot of carrots. He just what's up doc the situation. Bugs Bunny to the dome. Oh, one other thing about the documentary

is they chose to end off with hilariously his name. The fuck's the run's name? JK3. JK yeah. John Kennedy the third. Right. Yeah in the one that's a congressman

right now. You know well it was a congressman right now you know well it was or was you know my theory about about uh john kennedy the third that's he's what happens when a kennedy doesn't get pussy because at least doesn't get side pussy because you know there's so much like like in the in the 60s it used to be so easy for politicians to have an affair and you know they they would just go to a motel and the press would be like well he's just a guy being a dude there's no news here um but now when a politician has an affair you know everyone wants to jump on it right Right. And so he, he's got to stay faithful to his wife and it's, he, he's glitching out.

You're right. This is why he dominated him. You're right, Andy. Maybe that is the Kennedy magic is just cheating on your wife. I mean, I know this is like this tangential, but I do think that the reason JFK just slang dick all the time was because

he knew he was going to die because of that disease he had. We'll get into this more all the time was because he knew he was gonna die because of that disease he had we'll get into this more a little bit later and so he was like i can't marry a hoe because i'm like i'm gonna have a family with her she's i'm gonna i'm gonna die you know so he was just like i'm gonna addison's disease that's right he was just like i'm just gonna slay puss 24 7 and you know you set your mind to something like that because you got an older brother that's going to fucking, like, be the president so you can just be a jerk-off. Like, you get to be the jab of the family, you know?

And you're like, I might as well just fuck chicks and live my life. I'd like to see him justify it that way to his wife. When she, like, clearly catches them a few times honey you said you wanted me back in dc this is how we get there i have i have a degenerative disorder i don't i don't i wake up every day just happy to be alive but before we get to all that, to the assassination, the health problems,

everything else we've kind of hinted at here, we should go all the way back to the beginning. The CNN documentary is very scant on the early family, but I know Andy did a little bit of research there. We know that the family fled Ireland during the potato famine, and they ended up in Boston.

I believe we could start with uh jfk's great-grandfather patrick kennedy and then his grandfather pj kennedy before we get to uh joe senior uh andy what were you able to to find out about uh this this ancient and proud irish family well actually i've um just just from wikipedia they have some stuff on pre-Patrick Kennedy. Apparently the Kennedys originated from a Gaelic clan, O'Sanada Fionn. You can tell me how to properly pronounce that, Sean. I'm sorry. Just in my head, I imagine the second any of us says Wikipedia, somebody just hits

unsubscribe on Patreon. Just immediately stops the episode. Like, nope, that's enough. So they come from an Irish American family called Osonida Fionn, and they had a castle called Nye Castle close to what is today Pukennie County Tipperary in 1546.

And then it says that they lost out to the New English Order in the Kingdom of Ireland. Basically, Cromwell kicked them out of their castle and made them farm potatoes. Aww. Oh, shit. It is so funny that the Kennedys have a tradition of being the ruling class and then

getting owned by the wasps. What of being the ruling class and then getting owned by the wasps what what what years was this um is it says 1740 oh okay so so not not cromwell then oh that wasn't cromwell he was was like mid-1600s. 1640? Okay. Well, it's all Oliver's army to me. After they passed some like no quarter for the Irish bill in Parliament, they just went and did horrible things to them. Yeah. Killed like 20% of the population.

Basically. It's called an English warm-up. They were like, no, those were just lone soldiers. We had nothing to do with any of it. This was a random, deranged English soldier. Killed 20% of the population. We have since apologized and even passed a law that says it is illegal to kill the Irish in Ireland. We had an investigation and everything.

We cleared Cromwell. Cromwell led the investigation. So the first Kennedy to land on the shores, as we said, is Patrick Kennedy, who arrived in 1849 and worked as a barrel maker. So there does't, there wasn't, there does not appear to have been family wealth when they came over. Patrick Kennedy had a son also named Patrick Kennedy, Patrick Joseph Kennedy.

So he's referred to as PJ Kennedy. And he's kind of started building what we now know as the Kennedys. He first worked as a longshoreman and saved up money. Then he purchased a saloon, which was successful. So he purchased a couple more and then he purchased a whiskey importing business and he helped start Columbia Trust Bank. And after he kind of had a nice little nest egg for himself, he got into politics,

getting himself elected to both the Massachusetts House and then Senate. And he even gave speeches in support of Grover Cleveland at the 1888 Democratic Convention. So they were Democrats going all the way back to when Democrats wanted to reinstitute slavery. It was like an Irish speech. So he was just like screaming and pointing at pictures, throwing his feces at the audience. Like, wow, he's one of the most well-spoken Irish Americans we've ever encountered. Oh, wait, can I just say that the fact that he owned a saloon, just kind of a minor point of contention or not contention, but the idea that JFK's father was a bootlegger we'll talk about is like debated but i do just want to kind of underline like well his family money still comes from alcohol whether

or not it's legal he was peddling drugs to his community and that's how the fortune was built wait is is does alcohol have a destructive influence on the irish community no uh so joe kennedy now um he was born 1888 in boston he attended harvard and um he started his business career well at at age 25 um he found that, uh, Columbia trust bank, the one that his father helped start, uh, wasn't doing very well. So he borrowed 45,000 from friends and family LLC, which is, uh, the rough equivalent of 1 million in today's dollars. And he, uh, purchased a controlling interest in the bank, uh, becoming the nation's youngest bank president. That's so funny because, you know, the CNN documentary, of course,

starts with JFK's father, Joe Kennedy. And then the family mythology is that Joe Kennedy was self-made, quote unquote. And then it's like, no, he got a million dollar loan. Like, you know, and there's, I guess, mayors of Boston and stuff in the family even before him and all that. So I guess on his mother's side, his mother was the JFK's mother was the daughter of the mayor of Boston, I believe. So the family money goes farther back than just Joe Kennedy. Yeah.

Yeah. Joe Kennedy's dad was like a, at least a local, like a Boston business magnate. Hmm. Or he had like several, several saloons, like his mom invested in businesses too. Yeah. Joe Kennedy's wife, Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, her father, John Francis Fitzgerald, Honey Fritz nicknamed, was the Boston's mayor. And apparently Rose Fitzgerald was honey

fitz's favorite daughter um and she rose helped john during their elections so rose had like uh campaigning shit from her childhood yeah yeah the sense that i get is that, um, the Kennedy, uh, the Kennedy's as a family in general, they would pursue power and then kind of back it up with, you know, um, politic or the actual policy later, like they'd find kind of a policy to fit in with, um,

uh, whatever type of power they pursued. Uh, so because the family was so in the democratic machine, you know, they became this progressive family. And I think when you have the, the Boston with the case of Rose Kennedy and her,

her father being a Boston mayor, it seems very much like, you know, Joe, who was also a, a Boston businessman was marrying into another powerful family in the region, um, to kind of,

you know, become a power couple and use all those new connections that he would get through that marriage. Um, and I'm sure they loved each other or something. Uh, so as long as, as long as they got my great uncle a job with the

civil service i don't really have any complaints so uh joe uh later he became an assistant general manager at the uh bethlehem steel four river shipyard in quincy massachusetts um and uh the shipyard made boats for the navy and and as luck would have it, there happened to be a First World War happening when he started working there, and he got a nice windfall from that. After the war, Kennedy got a job as a stockbroker, and he built his net worth to about $2 million, reinvesting in real estate, buying stocks at just the right time. We've kind of talked about this a little bit on the podcast, but World War I is very important

in American history for kind of the start of the military-industrial complex. We've talked about how most all the great American fortunes trace themselves back to wartime procurement. That's right. And World War I was a huge bonanza for that. So I do think it is nice that really they did manage to fix the military industrial complex by introducing Irish diversity into it and not just making it exclusive to the WASPs at the start of World War I. Yeah, it was nice that they had representation. Representation matters. Yes. war one yeah it was it was nice that they had representation representation matters um so in

1919 uh joe purchased some movie theaters in new england and he uh saw that the moon pictures could land a crafty man a good buck and he also noted that the money in movies was in production not distribution so through the mid to late 20s uh even even though Joe had a lot of stock, um, holdings, he typically, he tended to focus more on, uh, movie studios. He would, he would, he would buy movie studios. And then, um, the typical line is that, uh, those early movie studios would play fast and loose with their finances. And so he whipped them into shape and, uh, made them more profitable. Yeah, it's similar to when we covered Sumner Redstone

and how he played the production companies against one another to make a buck. Yeah, Joe Kennedy bought those movie theaters and he was like, wow, someday they're going to play that Oliver Stone movie where my son gets his head blown off. Just before he got in to jump back to the his career and on a wall street he he was basically doing what melvin capital did oh really for a while yeah he was like a short biased um trader on wall street and he worked he worked at a firm that specialized in that and he he and a

couple other firms would just get together and basically do what they did to gamestop to get it back to get it to operate the price back down to where they just politically need it to be to make money for themselves and they would just do that repeatedly like um he was actually in uh joe joe was like not very far from the wall street bombing that took place in 1920 and um ever not not missing a beat he actually had taken out some short positions right immediately following that like when there was still wreckage there was still wreckage and like people's limbs and shit he was just like well let's yeah he was known as the bear of wall street um i did want to mention i read like the first quarter of rfk jr's book american values I Learned from My Family. And we'll talk more about

RFK later, of course. But so obviously, you know, it's a Kennedy book. It's well written, I think, but it's extremely biased in favor of the family. And so, of course, he denies that Joseph Kennedy was a bootlegger or had any connections to the mafia or that he had any sympathy for hitler that he just was like very sad about world war one and didn't want world war two and you know that part is certainly bullshit but he also kind of uh explicitly glazes over the fact that uh joseph kennedy swindled people on wall street and it's technically what he did was not illegal because these laws didn't exist yet but joseph kennedy became under fdr the first director of the sec and the idea is he sort of redeemed himself by making illegal everything that he used to do to make money so you know like pump and dump stock scams joe kennedy was doing that you know uh insider trading joe kennedy was doing that

um you know spreading false rumors about a stock anything you can think of that is illegal that's how joe kennedy made his fortune on wall street yeah and specifically he like instituted a bunch of reporting requirements like sec reporting requirements that they have to regularly do like hedge funds and stuff. And like he basically closed the loopholes that he willingly used. Or they weren't loopholes, they were just gray areas.

So he made them into a regulation that now has, it still has loopholes to this day, but it's a lot harder back when he was a stock operator. It is sort of funny though because it's like we talk about all these wall street criminals and yeah he made his money as a wall street criminal it just wasn't illegal yet so he's not technically a wall street criminal but he just did all the exact same things they did he was still arguably doing like monopolistic things, I guess you could say, of cornering the stock market of relatively thinly traded companies and then paying journalists to write glowing articles about them.

While he already had a position and he just rides it up and then he sells at the top and then takes a short position afterwards. Can I just say two other things from that RFK Jr. book? I wanted to mention, you know, my parents are like big into the Kennedys, you know, Irish immigrants. What? So I wanted to get... Your mother's Welsh. She's half Irish.

My mother's half Irish. Oh, wow. I didn't know I was dealing with a half breed. My dad's all Irish. But anyways, look, I wanted to get them this book, but RFK Jr. just happens to be like a huge anti-vaxxer. So I'm just waiting.

I'm waiting until they get the COVID-19 vaccine and then I will send them this book. Makes sense. But then my favorite story from the book, and I do think this is a very great, very enjoyable story. He talks about at the time in Boston that he was growing up or, you know, shortly before he was born, there were two great rich Irish families. And it was, of course, the Kennedys. And then the other family was called the Skakels. And the Kennedys were kind of known as the more buttoned up, you know, traditional Irish Catholic, you know, his mom, or I should say his grandmother was like a really rabid Catholic. We'll talk about that a bit.

The Skakels were known as like the wild party guys who just never should have gotten money. And his mother, RFK's wife, Ethel Kennedy, was originally Ethel Skakel. She came from that family. So he tells this story about the Skakelsls just illustrating like how they used their money because it was just like all brothers and then his mother uh the brothers would they had a mansion and they would just buy luxury cars and then they would drive these luxury cars up into the mansion uh but the mansion had a lake like a couple different pools around it so what each brother would do is when their brother was driving up the driveway they would light matches and try to throw it in the gas tank

of their brother's car so each brother would have to like bail out of the car and dump it in the lake to put out the fire and this was like a game they played with luxury cars just burning these things out why didn't we cover this family what's their net worth that's a fucking family i want to cover it's like you know the thing is you know the thing is yogi the billionaire families like this don't stay billionaire families when they're exploding their luxury cars that's why we don't get to talk about any of these cool billionaire families because honestly we should encourage that kind of behavior. We should.

Yeah. If there's anything that I've learned from this show, it's that the most legitimate rich people are the ones who just fuck around with their money. They're the most morally neutral. Sure. Right. They're the people who just dick around like they're they're they're above people who uh give i don't know 10 of their money to philanthropy and pretend that they're jesus yeah yeah it's like they're trying to rejoin the working class and there's something

noble about that just spending all of your money on gambling and exploding your brother's car but sean did any of those guys die crazily like kennedy's they all fucking had because i'm some sad like you know oh no a dude died in a whatever but like did the skakels did they all fucking perish in bullshit ways like because they were just testing death out every fucking moment they got with matches and cars and stuff but it seems like they all lived long lives because they were just testing death out every fucking moment they got with matches and cars and stuff but it seems like they all lived long lives where they were broke eventually i think some of them actually did die like he has some other story about i guess in their mansion they had like a rope line that was extremely dangerous i don't know if anybody actually died

on that but they would like go down it just you know for fun um but like weird so this is like would be getting to it way later but one of his god it's such a fucking weird story one of his cousins the thing about zip lines though a safe zip line is not a fun zip line this is true this is very true uh one of his cousins his skakel cousins would uh serve prison time for murder and rfk jr would write a book about how he's innocent but it's it's weird though that that particular skakel just happened to go to this main boarding school that is notorious in internet conspiracies and reality for being like an abusive school where they like do extremely fucked up psychological programming to the students and like yeah they'll like if you

misbehave they'll lock you in a room with a mattress and nobody will talk to you and uh they'll make the students fight each other and you know like kids have died there like the entire thing is and if you really like dive into it, people will say it's like an MKUltra programming school where they like try to create dissociative identity disorder in the kids so that they can, you know, the CIA can do what it will. But yeah, the actual Skakel family, I don't know the exact details. I think there were a couple sad accidents there. Ruining.

Joe also got RCA in contact with the film industry so that they could sell their talkie technology. RCA was not the first to have talkie technology, but they had non-proprietary technology unlike the Warner Bros. technology, which Joe Kennedy could not get a hold of. And apparently for a brief period in 1928, Joe was the head of four different studios. Yeah. So about his shady Wall Street dealings, right before the Wall Street crash,

this online biography of him that I was pulling from said that um joe's acute sense of foreboding uh caused him to pull out a bunch of his money right before the crash um also some conversations with friends and i think that might have had more of an influence than his acute sense of foreboding right right right this is just like irish clairvoyance yeah but he just straight defrauded the Wall Street banks? I mean, he probably got an inside... Well, yeah, he probably got like an inside tip and I don't think he...

I guess he defrauded the banks. At least got the better of a few of them. Yeah. Minor Skakel family update. According to the New York Times in 1967, the RFK's brother-in-law, so the brother of his wife, the Skakel guy,

he died in a plane crash in 1967. So I guess he was just trying to fit into the Kennedy family. Hey, you're part of the family now, trying to explode. But then... Sean? Can I just give you a piece of advice? Never get a pilot's license.

But then that was actually a sub-detail in this story about his widow, Mrs. Skakel, who also in 1967 choked to death on a steak. What? What? T-bone steak death? What? Yes. A spokesman for her family

said she apparently had choked on a piece of meat that had lodged in her windpipe as she ate dinner. It's like Kennedy family cleaning up loose ends. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, she was rich, so she wasn't eating alone. She just had a bunch of rich people who don't know the Heimlich

maneuver watching her choke to death. Somebody get a servant! I don't want want to i can't touch a person yeah so we mentioned uh joe uh getting on the sec the way he did that was he threw a bunch of money to fdr in the 1932 election and uh after prohibition was repealed and this this is something that people will use as evidence that joe was not a bootlegger right um after prohibition was repealed, and this is something that people will use as evidence that Joe was not a bootlegger. After prohibition was repealed in 1933, Joe bought a gin importing company to basically cash in on the newly legal alcohol importation. So people will argue like, oh, he had financial interests that were anti-prohibition. But from what I've seen from weed legalization, you know, a lot of growers who sell to the legal markets got their start selling to the illegal markets.

Yeah, you got to have a system to do the deed that's illegal when it's legal. It's not, you know, it's not you know there's a clear path there you know for one article i found that's um suck in the kennedy dick it says that bootlegging is the last thing he would do says nassau he had other ways to make money he knew where the line was between legality and illegality he wasn't going to cross that line because his children who he lived for and hoped would be presidents and senators, were already tarred with the brush of being Irish Catholic. And he wasn't going to add to that by being indicted for bootlegging. Which, boy, if there's a better kiss-assy quote, I've never fucking seen it.

Because the idea that this man that was on Wall Street and was like, heyis they're all right in my book knew the lines between legal and illegal and wasn't going to compromise those a bullshit yeah he was like technically hitler's invasion of poland was legal under international law because poland attacked first and they assaulted a radio station in germany he famously wanted what was best for all his kids all the time. Yes. So, yeah, Joe became chairman of the SEC, as we mentioned.

He resigned in 35. In 36, he figured he'd get back into politics by publishing a book titled I'm for Roosevelt, which was about why the business community should support Roosevelt and the new deal. And he, you know, kind of juiced the, uh, distribution for that to make sure it was pretty widespread. And, uh, after Roosevelt was reelected, he made Joe the chair of the United States maritime commission. And 10 months later,

he paid Joe the ambassador to great Britain. And that's where the story gets especially interesting. So people have found some correspondence between Kennedy and Joe Jr. from his oldest son from 1934, in which the son calls the Nazis dislike of the Jews well-founded. And Joe replies that his son is, that he is very pleased and gratified at your observations of the German situation. Also, apparently, according to confidential German documents made public by the U.S. State Department in 1949,

Joe Sr. met with the German ambassador to Great Britain, Herbert von Dirksen, in June 1938. uh dirksen later informed baron ernst von weitzsäcker uh state secretary of the german foreign ministry that kennedy told him that the jewish question was of vital importance to u.s german relations hell yeah he also wanted to meet hitler yeah that's like you know so yeah the part of rfk jr's book where he's like my granddad was not a nazi it just it really undermines the rest of the thesis if that much is untrue because like i did want to mention on the was joe senior a bootlegger or not question rfk jr cites the screenwriter Nora Ephron

as the lady who wrote the screenplay for When Harry Met Sally, among other movies. And she would know. Yes, well, yeah, she's the expert. She wrote a New York Times op-ed which said that she did, I guess, a bunch of research on some sort of liquor or alcohol book, and she said she couldn't find any evidence

that Joe was a bootlegger. So make of that what you will but he was definitely a nazi yeah so about the bootlegger thing actually let's go back to the nazi for a second um so like apology for uh joe kennedy uh if you watch a kennedy documentary they'll have various versions of his position was that, um, the United States and great Britain were not equipped to fight Germany. Right. And so he was a major opponent of the war.

Um, and that's the only reason they give. And then he felt really bad later. And of course that, um, his, his sympathies and, uh,

attempts to meet Hitler, uh, seem, seem to indicate that there's a little more going on with this political calculus. Hitler was like, I'm a Nazi. I'm not some sort of monster who meets an Irishman one-on-one.

I'm not going to recognize their rights. Things don't go the way Kennedyedy wants them to uh as it turns out um uh no what are you talking about andy france falls yeah everything's fine uh so when great britain is uh getting bombed uh kennedy sends his kids home to the United States and gets an enormous amount of shit for it. Mm-hmm. And eventually Roosevelt takes him out of his position as ambassador because, I mean, Roosevelt apparently in private called him a fascist and never really liked him. And that pretty much was the end of Joe Kennedy's personal

political career. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I think we've established that Joe Kennedy's reasons for doing so were private sympathy for the Nazis, but he supports Neville Chamberlain's appeasement in Munichich in 1938 um which i think is interesting in that it may or may not be a defensible policy but it's just completely fucked up all u.s foreign policy discourse ever since uh because actually you know curtis lemay the uh the psychopathic mass murdering u.s air force general uh would be part of jfk's joint chiefs of staff or he'd be the air force commander there if you've seen dr strangelove he's the guy who says we ought to get ourselves a doomsday machine but uh curtis lemay would accuse president john f

kennedy of appeasement for appeasing fidel cast. And of course, like when, you know, and that just kind of like gives you the the mentality of the US military at the time where they thought Castro was Adolf Hitler. But it also like the CNN documentary does point out that when Curtis LeMay said that to Kennedy, he was actually kind of invoking his father. He was saying you're doing the same thing to Castro that your father did to Hitler. You you know we need to stop this militarily we're not prepared for the cuban military machine but yeah like uh the documentary does mention that joseph kennedy's smart enough to realize once the u.s enters world war ii his political career is over because he had been pretty explicitly on the side of hitler in this particular debate to the point where, as we mentioned, FDR withdraws him as ambassador in

October 1940. So at this point, Joe Kennedy starts focusing on the family. He starts putting his eye on the future of his kids' political careers. Very unfortunate for Rosemary Kennedy that he started focusing on the family. Yeah, should we talk about Rosemary first? I think we should. So, they had, like, what, seven kids. One of them was a gal by the name of Rosemary Kennedy. And according to the Kennedys the the family and they're our primary source they're everyone's

primary source on this rosemary was a little slow uh she she wasn't learning to read as well as other people she wasn't learning to count as well as people uh and when she was also, uh, a dime, like she was, uh, look up a picture of Rosemary. Palmer wants to fuck Rosemary, uh, regardless of her mental condition. Palmer's in. She, I mean, I, back in the day, I mean, that sounds like she'd be down. In that documentary, people were talking about how hot Jackie was. Jackie's got nothing on Rosemary. Andy, be very careful about how you talk about how you want to have sex with a mentally disabled woman

because people on Reddit are going to start a rumor about you. I will say that in the CNN doc and other things, they use terms like, you know, a little slow or mentally disabled. Literally any account of this woman pre-1990, it's just the word retarded everywhere. Like, I'm not trying to be shocking, but the amount of times you see, oh, Rosemary, yeah, she's retarded. She needs a lobotomy. Like that is written by various sources several times yeah and of course you know a little slow in the 1930s who knows what that means they didn't really

they they might have just meant she was annoying or uh you know she uh wasn't reading as fast as her sisters i mean it seems to me like rosemary got a lobotomy because she had the uh kennedy fucking all the time gene but she was a woman yeah so that's the the straw that broke the camel's back was that uh as the kennedys put it she was uh gentlemen might start taking advantage of her and she might get an unwanted pregnancy. Basically, yeah, she she was pulling dick and you can't have that. And so her dad sent her to a couple of experts in what was known as psychosurgery. One of them was James W. Watts and the other one was Walter Freeman.

James W. Watts actually later said that rosemary most likely suffered from just a severe kind of depression um but that didn't stop from uh doing a surgery uh walter freeman incidentally later came to fame for pioneering the transorbital lobotomy which is where you take an ice pick and stick it in the inner part of the eye. And then you take a little hammer and you tap it to break the bone, to get it up into the brain. And then you swish it up and down and pull it out. And, uh, at one point he became so famous that a photographer came to photograph Walter Freeman doing this procedure and while he was posing for the picture he moved the ice pick too much and killed the patient

and then didn't say anything and just walked out of the room yeah I have an account of Rosemary's lobotomy from Ronald Kessler's The Sins of the Father Joseph B. Kennedy and the dynasty he founded this is from the book we went through the top of the father joseph p kennedy in the dynasty he founded uh this is from

the book we went through the top of the head i think she was awake she had a mild tranquilizer i made a surgical incision in the brain through the skull it was near the front it was on both sides we just made a small incision no more than an inch the instrument dr watts used looked like a butter knife he swung it up and down to cut brain tissue. We put an instrument inside, he said. As Dr. Watts cut, Dr. Freeman put questions into Rosemary. For example, he asked her to recite the Lord's Prayer or sing God Bless America or count backwards. We made an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded.

When she began to become incoherent, they stopped. When they stopped stopped she would have the mental capacity of a toddler various reports say two to four years old um it prevented her to walk or speak intelligibly and she was placed in an institution where she was cared for until she died in 2005 so technically speaking she was the oldest living Kennedy if her mom didn't die of pneumonia later on yeah this was part of Joe's Kennedy Joe Kennedy's plan to protect her from assassination

nobody will suspect if I cut her brain out and put her in a psychiatric institution it's pretty nuts the links they would go just because she was fucking more than them yeah the other thing is that Joe Kennedy did this procedure without consulting rosemary's mother about hey i'm gonna put a fucking nail in our daughter's head yeah but you don't have to tell your wife everything yogi i guess not not

not in 19 whatever a little too on the nose that they asked her to sing god bless america while making her brain dead. Seriously. I didn't want to read this account, and then I saw that, and I was like... That could go in a Warner Herzog documentary. Some of what the family complained about with her, their descriptions sound just like they were just weirded out by her independence, basically. Jokes aside about promiscuity,

she was just like okay well she snuck out of the boarding school or something from this article it says that joe kennedy would never bring up the lobotomy in public and he said that she's not here because she's been reclusive and he would never visit her after lobotomy and her name was never mentioned at the kennedy house so to speak i will say that from some i mean let's just say a source that used the word retarded way too much one of the people in there thinks that joe kennedy raped their daughter and then he was like oh fuck i gotta clean this up and so the lobotomy occurred which i don't know if joe kennedy senior could have done that but i mean you know the

motherfucker the monster so i i don't know what he could or couldn't be capable of but i will say that rosemary did not need to be lobotomized and all of the kennedy's misfortune i think stem from this whole this incident it's just so funny to me like you know we imagine this is almost like our modern era you know, so 1941 is when she's institutionalized. So just like four years before they invent the atomic bomb, they're also like, hey, medicine is where you cut out the top part of somebody's brain. Well, as I mentioned, Sean, by the time they had the atomic bomb, there was a whole new procedure, the one with the ice pick through the eye. You didn't have to cut anything.

That's right. You just had to hammer a little bit yeah and to continue on with the kind of the timeline from the cnn documentary you know of course after rosemary is lobotomized they go to a slightly more heroic story which is of course jack kennedy you know future president jack kennedy uh they talk about how he was you know, he had health problems his entire life. This was very well concealed from the U.S. public, but he contracted scarlet fever at age two. He was basically sick for the rest of his life. I believe his brother, Robert Kennedy, said that there was not a single day that Jack was not in pain throughout his entire life. He would have

back problems. He would be diagnosed with Addison's disease. And, you know, we'll talk about that a little more later. But why it's sort of relevant is Jack, he joins the military during World War II. Joe Kennedy, although initially opposed to the war, recognizes once the United States is in it, that he's transferred his political ambitions onto his children. So they have to serve in the military so that they can have political careers uh which i you know at least a slightly better time in america in that respect and that you had to get your children blown up so that they can have a political career uh but jack kennedy joins naval intelligence and he starts out with just an office job because as

we mentioned he was sick so you know he's just filing papers around and that kind of stuff and he's a war hero he's a war hero exactly right uh during that time he takes up with a danish journalist named inga arvard and inga arvard is suspected of being a nazi spy which is why the fbi is spying on him the uh fbi is apparently recording his sex sessions with inga arvard and i guess the documentary kind of says that joe kennedy becomes aware of this and again with the idea of protecting his political career is like we have to get him out of this desk into a war zone so that uh you know the the takeaway from the war is not that he was just shagging a nazi spy uh while everybody else was getting blown up so he gets transferred to the pacific and of course ends up on a pt boat which

becomes a story that basically makes his political career uh though at least the cnn doc admits that that entire story is complete bullshit, at least the way it's told in popular culture. In the documentary, they do frame it. They say the Kennedy biographers will say he was driving this PT boat, which was that patrol torpedo, something like that. Basically, if you don't know, it's a like, I don't know, 40 foot long boat with torpedoes that they had zipping around the Pacific to sink Japanese ships. So Kennedy's PT boat was cruising along at night.

Again, a moonless night. And instead of sinking a Japanese ship, uh, which was the objective, uh, they got run into by a Japanese ship and the boat got ripped in half. This was later played up to make him sound like a hero. He, he, uh,

he was floating with all of his, all of his, uh, fellow PT boat people. A couple of them had already drowned and he said, Oh, we have to swim to this, to this Island a mile away.

And apparently one person couldn't really swim. So Jack, even though he was sickly, he grabbed that guy and swam him three miles to, to this Island. And then someone, one of the locals on the island didn't speak very good English.

So Jack carved into a coconut a message to pass on to the American military telling them where to rescue them. Jack should have been court-martialed for destroying his boat. Oh, yeah. And that didn't happen

because his dad joe pulled every string he could to get all of the to to get the military not only to get rid of his um his court martial but to portray him as a hero to the point where someone wrote a book about how heroic jfk was and that even became a movie um with some hunky actor uh they show this in the documentary looking into the camera for some promotional thing and goes i'm playing a young skipper named john f kennedy well it's so funny i, and that's exactly what happened, Andy, because Jack's father, Joe Kennedy, had enough pull to control the official investigation.

So the story of Jack Kennedy's life is that his political career both begins and ends with somebody controlling an investigation. I mean, you know, and it just tells you how investigations work. These are ultimately political things. Any official government investigation, if you have enough juice, you can kind of control where the investigation goes, what it says, what it concludes. the Kennedy biographers who play this up do mention the truth, which is that they were in the water and Jack did do a noble thing, dragging, you know, his wounded, uh, comrade, uh, I believe several miles through the water. And that is heroic, but his boat with is in the wrong place

because Kennedy fucked up his command. So his comrade never should have been in the water. They never should have gotten hit by that Japanese boat. of his men shouldn't have died so it all just depends where you start the timeline as to whether or not this was heroic yeah i don't i don't know if you've heard a ship in the water uh they're not quiet yeah and uh from william dole's book on this, in the movie in 1963, PT 109, the scene is played out where Kennedy thinks of the idea, hey, we're going to create this message on a coconut. But in reality, it was this individual named Gasser who suggested it and Kumana who climbed the coconut tree to pick one and so kennedy wrote the message with a knife but outside of writing the message all of the hard work of thinking of the idea and getting a coconut was done by his roommates they definitely did not say that part in the documentary not at all so yeah this movie came out i believe in the last year of kennedy's life but they talked it up on um even before he entered politics this uh his father managed to get this in the papers as like a heroic story.

So it is just like such a great reversal where, again, it's his fuck up that got his men killed. But he spins that into a heroic story because of his behavior after the fact. Yeah, I believe there was a book written about it that came out shortly after the incident. And that made people be like, this Kennedy guy is fucking good. And that would compel his older brother to get himself killed, as we will talk about on the next part of this. As well as many other mysterious Kennedy deaths, including the CIA assassination. More on Joseph Kennedy and what happens to his brain. Not fun.

As well as many more branches of what occurs with the Kennedy family. And some mysterious non-deaths like multiple instances in Ted Kennedy's life. Yeah. Yeah, I think we'll kind of cap this off here and pick it up with the rest of what happens when JFK gets out of the military, but also what happens to his older brother, joe jr uh on a uh bombing mission over france but i did just want to kind of mention at the end here the documentary says that um joe's three of his children joe jr jack kennedy and his daughter kick uh he would refer to them as the golden trio right so he had his three favorite children. And Joe Jr. was,

of course, the older one, older than Jack Kennedy. And he was initially the one who Joe Sr. wanted to be president. We'll talk about how and why he died. But I think to close it out here, we could just mention Kit Kennedy, his daughter. She also initially looked like she might have some sort of political career in england but then she took up with uh a protestant and then a divorced man and uh she married uh the divorced man and apparently her mother uh rose kennedy was like such a devout catholic that she like disapproved and wouldn't go to the wedding of the protestant man that she married but then she uh disowned her when she married the divorced man. That's right. To the point where in 1948, Kit Kennedy and her husband were flying to France in bad weather to meet their father and get approval for the wedding. And of course, Kennedy's love to fly in bad weather. It's a family tradition.

And they crash into a mountain and they die and rose kennedy her mother says that her daughter's death was quote-unquote divine retribution for trying to marry a divorced guy and that was the end of kick kennedy one of the three golden children but that just kind of gives you an idea of the type of parenting that raised Jack, Teddy, and Bobby Kennedy. That's right. Yeah, I think if there's one major theme, it's that the Kennedys could have been so much more powerful had it not been for motor vehicles.

Small aircrafts in particular. Well, planes, boats, cars. Helicopters conspicuously absent. Skis, though. Oh, yeah, skis, yep. Yeah, I think the Kennedy curse could either be described as the Central Intelligence Agency or the combustion engine. Yeah.

But so, we will pick up on the next part of our look at the Kennedy family with the tragic story of the death of Joe Jr. Flying a bomber plane over France. We'll talk about everything that kind of happened there. And then we will continue on with the post-war political career of future President John F. Kennedy. And we'll just kind of keep going from there through the assassination and everything else that happened up to the present in the story of the Kennedy family. Thank you for listening. My name is Sean P. McCarthy,

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