Grubstakers - Episode 51: Jeffrey Epstein feat. Matt Christman

Episode Date: January 28, 2019

Fresh off his 66th birthday (the devils birthday) in the hot seat is Jeffrey Epstein. Join us as we have a round table discussion of his numerous misdeeds, the nefarious schemes played to amass his fortune, and the laundry list of celebrities involved in Epstein’s annual Chuck E' cheese parties. We are joined by Matt Christman of Chapo Traphouse Follow him on twitter @cushbomb as well as @grubstakerspod. Enjoy!

Today on Grubstakers, we're discussing the lifestyles of the rich and famous with very special guest, Matt Chrisman. So get ready because it's the Jeffrey Epstein episode. Get lost, please. Thank you. I can tell you that every job has its ups and downs, and a union can't change that fact. I mean, it is the magic elixir of our age and of all ages. What it does for prostate cancer is amazing.

You get a $200 million profit and you didn't have to pay any tax. Isn't that true? Listen, it's not a tax. Is that true or not? Yes or no? The thing is, you do not pay a tax when someone makes you sell assets. Maybe that was when you became Secretary of Treasury so you didn't have to pay the tax there. Oh. In five, four, three, two.

Hello. Welcome back again to Grubstakers, the podcast about billionaires. I'm Sean P. McCarthy. I'm here. I'm joined, as always, by my good friends. Yogi Poliwal. Andy Palmer. Steve Jeffries.

And this week, we got a really special episode, and we got a really special guest, and there's no one else we would rather have here with us to explore the life of one Jeffrey Epstein. We are joined from my favorite podcast, Chapo Trap House, Matt Christman is here. Good to be here, guys. Hi, thanks for the invite. Love talking Epstein. Yeah, Matt, we want to thank you for agreeing to come and gaze into the abyss with us. You guys said, hey, you guys want to talk about a billionaire? And I'm like, I guess.

They say, we haven't done Epstein yet. And I was like, yes. It'll be an honor to share a unmarked grave with you. And like, you know, so many listeners will be familiar with kind of the broad strokes of the Jeffrey Epstein case. He's a powerful either billionaire or multimillionaire. We don't know. But he has heavy political and business connections.

He receives an extremely lenient plea for just countless counts of child molestation, rape, trafficking. And then the plea just happens to immunize quote any potential co-conspirators unquote and there you know and then there's been a big effort to kind of shine light on what happened here recently both through the press and through civil suits and so i think like within the next five to ten years either a bunch of new information comes out that proves you know pizzagate is real or this case totally disappears and gets buried forever which also proves pizzagate is real so you know it's it's just something to

watch but it is kind of horrifying to just do research about oh yeah like looking into this guy it got to the point where i would not be surprised if he ordered stanley kubrick murdered like that's every single thing like that i find out every new thing i find out about this guy it just gets weirder and weirder it's uh and i already knew he was like a serial rapist but then each new detail it gets more insane right and so you know virginia rober Roberts is one of the identified people, but there's also Jane Doe's that have made these sworn affidavits saying essentially Epstein trafficked them out to businessmen, politicians, other powerful people. He asked them to, you know, gather information on these people. Police, when they raided his home in Palm Beach, found, you know, hitting cameras, hitting recording devices. So it's not that they

installed themselves. Yes. It's not hard to stretch the imagination to say... And Epstein, in fact, told Virginia Roberts that he was doing this quote because he wanted to have something over these people. It's not hard to imagine that there's maybe videotape of people who just don't want that out there.

Makes sense. The other thing that they found when they searched his house was one of the girls' high school report cards. Right, yes. So that's nice that he keeps those things. Report cards? Yeah. What an odd victory piece.

Yeah. Well, you know, he likes to keep track on them, make sure that they're doing good. Yeah, yeah. He really, he offers to help them get into NYU. Really? Yeah. Your grades have really fallen since you started coming to give me massages. You're not going to get into the Corinth Institute with this ed.

Is anything going on with your personal life? You should talk to the guidance council. But yeah, so this, and this is a federal non-prosecution agreement we'll kind of we'll circle back to it actually one thing real quick is that one interesting thing is like part of this all fell apart because of a guidance counselor um really yeah there's this girl mary where uh she started uh having trouble at school and then she talked to a guidance counselor and they found like hundreds of dollars in her wallet and eventually that led them to epstein and his palm beach they found money in her wallet like well like what yeah i fell out of her hand and money through i don't know the details of like why they were going

through a wallet but it was yeah and it's just something where so yeah like you know there are these uh these other women who are like allegedly sex slaves one of them it's alleged that epstein i think he epstein himself said that he like bought this woman from her parents i think in estonia or somewhere in eastern europe when she was 14 but these like you know uh young adult women who were in the house with him who would lead these girls upstairs and you know it's all horrible but essentially you know there were those co-conspirators who were uh immunized as part of this federal non-prosecution agreement. But again, according to the Miami Herald, Longpeace, quote, any potential co-conspirators were also immunized as part of this federal thing.

And then, of course, you have, as many people are aware, Bill Clinton is on the flight logs having taken 26 trips on this Lolita Express. Carpooling. That's nothing crazy. They're just hanging out, you know. This plane, including to, you know, Jeffrey Epstein's little St. James Island. Apparently, on some of these trips, he ditched his Secret Service detail for some of them, which doesn't prove anything. The Luda Express was, by the way, a name given to it by the locals in, I believe, the Bahamas. The U.S. Virgin Islands. U.S. Virgin Islands.

I guess presumably because they saw so many young women coming out of this plane that that became a nickname amongst the locals. The fact that he painted it yellow and black, I think, was a little on and off. So there was like, we did a, for research for this, actually, James Patterson is, you know, speaking of billionaires, the second richest author in the world. He's almost more of a brand at this point. He just kind of throws his name on things that he co-authors with people, according to one linguist. The majority of his books are not actually written by him. They're written by his co-authors. But James Patterson, he holds the Guinness record for number one new york times

bestsellers uh again second richest off author after jk rowling but the important thing is he wrote this book or john connelly and tim malloy wrote this book i think he wrote the first chapter because it's fucking awful yes and then the rest of it sounds like it like comes across as written by real journalists right but the first one it's it reads like whoever was writing it was like here's the story of a child rapist and the details of how he got caught but i should sex it up and so it's got these awful phrases like he describes like the victim's apple round butt oh no um and it just don't get horny when you're describing sex crimes. I think that's just literary rule number one.

Yeah. Yeah. Apple round? That's the words that they use? Apple round butt cheeks. Boots with the fur. The song came out right before he started writing. He also describes a victim

when Epstein walks in shirtless as being ripped like the jocks at her school. But so this book, it gives kind of an overview of the case, but it is just kind of curious because some people might be aware James Patterson, who again writes this book on Jeffrey Epstein,

would go on to write the book, co-write the book, The President is Missing with Bill Clinton. And also, incidentally, he co-wrote a children's book, quote, Give Please a Chance with Bill O'Reilly in 2016. Give Please a Chance? Yes. That's terrible. But it is interesting. The book just kind of like the James Patterson book, Filthy Rich, it kind of brushes over

Bill Clinton. He's mentioned briefly, like there's kind of like one sentence, which is, I mean, there's a couple, but one of them is Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker all flew to Africa on Jeffrey Epstein's plane with Jeffrey Epstein. And that's just left there as a sentence with no follow-up. Damn. That is the one flight I would like to get the recording. What did they talk about, those three? He was dressed up like Fifth Element.

Chris Tucker talking to a 13-year-old Estonian. Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? I really don't. But so, yes. So, you know, I don't know why James Patterson would write a book about Jeffrey Epstein and then go on to write a book with Bill Clinton. But, you know, in fairness, given James Patterson's reputation, it is very possible he has not actually read this book.

Sure. Well, the 26 flights were left out of his book. Yes, they did not mention... That's the thing. It's like Chris Tucker one time went to Africa. It's like, alright, he doesn't necessarily know what's going on. Come on, 26 times, get out of here. Christ.

Yeah, and for her part, Virginia Roberts has said and again, other Jane Does have said this, Jeffrey Epstein was receiving two or three quote, massages a day. And again, massage was code word for this. Jeffrey Epstein was receiving two or three, quote, massages a day. And again, massage was a code word for molesting, abusing young children. He was receiving two or three of these a day. And Virginia Roberts has said, essentially, anyone who spent any significant amount of times with Jeffrey Epstein would be aware of what's going on. So, you know, it's hard to get around these things but i guess we should just kind of go through

the case and what we know of jeffrey epstein's biography and then we can just kind of return to the the larger questions here but you know in addition to like jane doe testimony from like virginia roberts or jane doe testimony virginia rober There's also, you know, like housekeepers at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach. This was between 2001, 2006. They testified that, you know, he would have these two or three massages a day. Afterwards, they would often be asked to clean dirty sex toys and these kinds of things,

you know, children coming in and out of the house. And Epstein, of course, like, throughout this Florida investigation, he put private detectives on both the police investigating him the states and federal attorneys they put them on witnesses you know there'd be cars tailing them and the victims families were tailed by cars to the point where other drivers would be run off the road by the private investigators tailing victims parents

mm-hmm and you know people would run these plates and of course they would would be run off the road by the private investigators tailing victims' parents. And, you know, people would run these plates, and of course they would come up as private investigators. So, again, you know, lots of power, lots of influence, but I guess we can just kind of start from the beginning here, which is what we know about Jeffrey Epstein. Essentially, he was born in 1953 in Brooklyn. On his mother's side, his parents were Lithuanian refugees. They fled Hitler. His father, his grandparents on his father's side came from Russia. His father grew up in Crown Heights.

Jeff's grandparents apparently owned like a house wrecking company. I guess they would knock down houses. But his dad, Jeffrey Epstein's dad, worked for the city parks department in New York City. Jeffrey grows up on Coney Island. He graduates from Lafayette High School in 1969, which is in Gravesend, South Brooklyn. And if you go to the Wikipedia page for Lafayette High School, would you like to guess who is not listed as a notable alumni? Sandy Koufax, Larry King, Steve Scherippa are all on there on Notable Alumni. But there is one peculiar absence.

Larry King went there. Yeah. I can also think of another famous person who grew up in South Brooklyn Jewish community and portrayed it as being in Coney Island in the movie Annie Hall. Oh, interesting. After Jeffrey Epstein was released from prison, people who attended a dinner party at his apartment in New York,

this is again after he's been publicly outed as a sex predator, Woody Allen, Chelsea Handler, Charlie Rose, Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos. They all come together for a huge party. Rose, Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos. And all come together for a huge party.

One last big bash. These are the people who hold the powerful accountable. Yeah, they really grilled him at the dinner. Right, right, right. We couldn't see it. It's like, where did this swordfish come from? But so, you know, so he graduates Lafayette High School. He's kind of recognized as a math prodigy from a young age.

Jeffrey Epstein is. He briefly attends Cooper Union. He attends NYU, but he leaves without a degree. But despite not... Drops out? Yeah, he drops out. Despite not having a degree, in 1973, he's able to get a job teaching math and physics at Dalton Academy,

which is like an elite one percenter K-12 private school. So he's teaching math and physics. It's on the Upper East Side. It's still in existence today. And there's still like, you know, New York Times articles about how stressed, you know, the elites are about getting their children into it for, you know. Here's the inspiration for the police song don't stand so close to me um but so basically he gets this job teaching math and physics at dalton in 1973 and this is

essentially his connection to the one percent this is what gives him the networking in that he needs to make himself very wealthy um uh you, he grows up, let's say, middle class. But either through the son or the daughter, he meets a guy named Alan C. Greenberg, who was the CEO of Bear Stearns from 1978 to 1993. I'm pretty sure he's the guy who, in the big short, is the one who's on stage talking about how great Bear Stearns stock is while it collapses.

Like, I looked up his his picture and it's like, I'm pretty sure the actor is portraying that guy. Yes. In 1976, Bear Stearns hires Jeffrey Epstein and then is cursed by history forever. But yeah, so Jeffrey Epstein is hired by Bear Stearns as an option trader in 1976. He later works in the special products division, which is basically advising wealthy clients on tax avoidance strategies. And as has been mentioned on this podcast and other places, in 1980 when Reagan came in, the highest marginal tax rate was 70%.

So essentially, tax avoidance was a very lucrative thing. You could charge people a lot if you could say, hey, pay me me this and you'll still pay less than what you would pay the federal government so he works on tax avoidance uh and he's actually made a limited partner in bear stearns in 1980 which is again extremely lucrative but just a year later he leaves bear stearns and then this is kind of a a weird story where we don't know all the details, but there's an allegation that Epstein might have been involved in an insider trade here. What? Yes. We are going to nail Jeffrey Epstein for insider trading on this podcast.

But so basically, there's a, in 1981. I thought he was going to be the one billionaire who made all of his money legitimately. Through hard work and gumption. Yeah, and he just got brought down by his vice. That's right. It was completely unrelated. So it was because of social democracy that he got his first job in tax avoidance strategy. The problem with the...

The sock dims gave him his start. The real problem with the swedish model um but so basically what happens in uh in march uh 1981 is uh the seagram company places a bid for saint joe minerals corp it's a hostile takeover and uh you know they talk about this in like the book den of thieves and all this other stuff but essentially like throughout the 80s, and I would imagine continuing to today, insider trading was endemic in Wall Street where anyone who had knowledge of a deal would either have their own Cayman Islands account

and they would trade on that deal, or they would just give their friend a tip and say, hey, buy this stock and we'll split the profits later. So basically what happens here is right after this hostile takeover is launched the sec starts investigating and jeffrey epstein has to admit yeah i lent my friend twenty thousand dollars to buy stock but i didn't know what he would do with it you know and um i just gave him

20 grand in a note what he did with that it was his own accord right and so the sec doesn't charge anybody but they do ask epstein if he was asked to not say anything about potentially other Bear Stearns people were involved in this insider trade, if his bonus was dependent on it. And he, of course, says no, but he walks away with about $100,000 bonus after not ratting on anybody. So we don't know. But that's just kind of the end of his time at bear stearns and it doesn't really make sense that he would leave right after making limited partner which is of course again extremely lucrative to go from like a salaried employee to a partner at one of these firms but that's basically the story of jeffrey epstein's at bear stearns he goes and he meets he sets up like what's called international assets group where he claims to help billionaires with tax avoidance

strategies. But he also says in a deposition, he spends 80% of his time assisting people recover stolen money from fraudulent brokers and lawyers. So we don't really know how well he's actually doing throughout this time. But he does meet this guy, Stephen Hoffenberg. And Stephen Hoffenberg is the CEO and founder of Towers Financial. And Towers Financial was a company that would essentially, it would buy debts like unpaid medical bills at discount and then harass debtors for full repayment. What year is this?

He meets him in 1987. Gotcha. Yeah. So, you know, these classic productive uses of the resources of the economy. So we're doing a lot of background. So I'm going to just break this up for a second. Of course. Could you please give us your name?

Jeffrey Epstein. Is it true, sir, that you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis? Form, vague and definite. And I'm going to give you the first warning, Mr. Cuban, that these types of questions are not only argumentative, Oh, his lawyer's doing the plea. Oh, that's what he's doing there? Yeah.

Mr. Epstein, if you continue with this type of question, I'll adjourn the deposition. Sir, according to the police department's probable cause affidavit, one witness described your penis as oval-shaped and claimed when erect it was thick towards the bottom but was thin and small towards the head portion and called it egg-shaped. Those are not my words. I apologize. But as Mr. Critton has stated that this is a... I'm willing to continue. I'm taking that as a yes. I'm taking that as an admission of egg-shaped

pig. I'm taking that as an admission of egg-shaped dick. I like how the SVU based on this was worse. That nearly is interesting. There's definitely an SVU, and in the audio book from the James Patterson thing, you can hear the guy who's reading it trying to decide whether he wants to do a nice iced tea impression. Man, egg-shaped. I don't think there's anything else worse

than being called someone else's dick. It's deformed, and apparently he can't get a full erection. They call the penises egg-shaped. One of them egg-shaped. Like a twaffet cone one of them egg they did like a traffic cone that blew a gasket in the factory i didn't know mike tyson was on svu yeah i don't watch any svu i can't yeah but so and basically like i mean and and just kind of like

finish the background here essentially we're we're wondering about nobody really knows how Epstein got his money. But essentially, this guy is Stephen Hoffenberg. He has this, you know, here's a description from the book. What did he tell you he does for a living? What he specifically told me when I asked him the first time was, oh, I'm a brain scientist. And I said, what the fuck is a brain scientist? I was like, that's not a real job. Tell me

the truth. But anyway, his explanation was, it's my job to know how people's brains work. And I said, whatever the fuck that means, whatever. That's from the audiobook? That's from the audiobook, yeah. That's just like the type of thing that he would tell his victims is yeah i'm a brain scientist uh i'm uh i'm just i just know

how people work he's a brain chef he's a brain genius he's a brain genius i mean that's that's kind of also why i think that he made a lot of his money uh from extortion people yeah uh i mean also i think he's just kind of like the pizzagateate pimp. I mean, a lot of his financial dealings get murkier after Bear Stearns. Right. But that's also around the time when he clearly really starts branching out on his pedophilia and also pimping out children to powerful people. Like he, he will explicitly tell, uh, women, and this has come from the deposition to, uh, come back to him and explain what, um, the people that, uh, what these guys would want,

uh, what they liked to do in bed, all these kinds of things. Like he would want all the details of that and he would keep like meticulous lists of names and he would brag that he has connections with powerful people. And other people who knew him said he didn't know shit about investing, that he would hire people to do it.

And so my guess is that a lot of the money he made was basically he would get a lot of powerful people on the line for um or just basically get a lot of blackmail material yeah he'd learn how people like to fuck and then tell them that hey i'll tell people that this is how you like to fuck unless you give me money or not even money uh tips yeah let me give me stuff that i can do insider trading with right yeah yeah yeah yeah i, and that's like something we've talked about

is essentially like the business model of a lot of Wall Street or whatever else is just leveraging connections to government and powerful people, which of course gives you information about what's about to happen that you can trade on,

which is valuable. Yeah. But yeah, like just on that point, like Forbes wrote some article which was essentially like Jeffrey Epstein is not a billionaire because that's their racket. That's the only thing that matters.

Yeah. That's their racket. We have the the list he's not on it um but so basically they were saying like as part of discovery in these court cases the the lawyers for the victims tried to find out jeffrey epstein's net worth you know of course to get damages and jeffrey epstein's lawyers would come back and all they would admit was like it was above nine figures, I think was their quote. And again, he was... Sorry about that, guys. Yeah, no worries. Epstein was at least involved in tax avoidance strategies,

so of course a lot of his money is offshore. But the point was essentially, even if he's not technically a billionaire, I'm sure the photographs that he has would have a market value close to $1,000. Yeah, if that lot came up at Sotheby's, there'd be a hell of a bidding war. People laundering money through the photographs.

A lot of the names that came out came out because his, I guess they're called housemen, just like Head Butler. When he left Jeffrey, stopped working for jeffrey epstein he took a bunch of documents with names on them and he said it was just to make sure he wouldn't disappear and then no one wanted to hire him uh after they found out after uh epstein got um convicted and then you have jeffrey epstein's houseman on your resume. No one wanted to hire

him. So he tried to sell the names to a lawyer involved in a lawsuit for $50,000. And it eventually just turned out that by not giving those names to police, he was withholding evidence, and he went to jail. But the names got out, and they included... The papers also included the names, addresses, and phone numbers of famous individuals. Henry Kissinger, Mick Jagger, Dustin Hoffman, Ray Fiennes, David Koch, Ted Kennedy, Donald Trump, Bill Richardson, Bill Clinton, and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak among them. Bill Richardson's my favorite. Yeah, and so, yeah, this is like like, just kind of, like, the addresses that he had. Though, apparently, like, the Bill Clinton one had, like, 20 different pieces of contact information.

Just so he could, like, reach him at any time. Wow. And, you know, like, and it is just kind of something where we talked about this. We did an episode on, like, David Koch and the Koch brothers. And, like, it's some grand scheme of things. You know, maybe they're more evil like they're essentially doing a mass extinction event and you know covering it up and these kinds of things but like researching Epstein it's so much more visceral and horrifying but then you find out that David Koch is in

his address book and you're like oh he's doing that too yeah maybe allegedly allegedly yeah but interesting note on that is that yeah his housekeeper, Epstein's housekeeper Takes this address book as evidence So he doesn't disappear And another running theme in the book is how many people Seem to think they're going to disappear If they testify against him The thing about, I just want to say

The thing about the Koch brothers And Epstein and how One of them is this flamboyant pedophile And the other one you just think of as this quiet psycho but who also might be doing it. Basically, it boils the question. There's two terms that they use to describe billionaires, eccentric and reclusive.

And it basically boils down to how flagrant their pedophilia is. Do they have their own private island where they do it or is there a subterranean vault on their ranch? Do they invite people over or do they keep it to themselves? And that's the difference between reclusive and eccentric. But so we mentioned, so this housekeeper who stole the address book,

he was like... The houseman? Yeah, the houseman. He was charged by the FBI with extortion because he was trying to get like 50 000 for this uh and withholding it from the fbi because he didn't tell them about it in the original investigation he serves 18 months which is longer longer than jeffrey epstein of course and he had to be in jail the whole time yes and whereas epstein was allowed to go home on a work release six days a week he couldn't go to his regular job and do insider trading and come back six days a week.

And that was against the explicit rules of the sheriff's department that did not allow sex offenders to get furloughed. I mean, they were explicit. That was the thing you could do for certain crimes. But the crimes he was convicted of were ones you were not allowed to do it with, but he did it anyway for some reason. Somehow. Don't know. Weird.

Oversight. Yeah, the whole conviction process is so, so shady. The chief of police, I guess there were no videos of him, and so he conducted it the way that you're supposed to conduct a case where you have a serial rapist. And then the state attorney was at first he was pretty gung ho until he heard the name. And he immediately started backing down. And so I guess. Sorry, I'm getting ahead of what's actually going on.

So essentially what happened is Epstein, he had this house in Palm Beach, Florida. And what he would do is he would have young women or girls, he would have underage girls come and then he would pay them $200 for a quote massage where he would basically make them get naked and he would jerk off do all kinds of disgusting things and then he uh would also say that they could make a hundred dollars or he would pay them two hundred dollars and then an extra hundred dollars for each thing that they would do and he would also say that there's money in it for you if you can bring me new girls so he's recruiting with them. He's recruiting and he's

also... It's like Amway. Yeah. He would instruct them that they should be girls who are inexperienced and are going to need the $200 and are unlikely to go to the

authorities. Eventually this all came crashing down. I wonder if this has any relation to the economic system we live under. Well, if you do the math, because I was running the numbers in my head, and if you're a millionaire and you pay someone $200, that is the equivalent of having $1,000 in the bank and paying someone dimes. If you're a billionaire and you pay someone $200. That is the equivalent of having $1,000 in the bank and paying someone dimes. If you're a billionaire and you pay someone $200, that's fractions of thousands of cents to you. That's how much he's paying.

So he's paying them the money. He's literally nickel and diming them. Fractions of fractions of nickels and dimes. And the reason he's paying these amounts is so that they'll come back to him like he's not paying them so much right that they're like one and done uh and of course the reason he got caught is because he was doing this with hundreds of girls oh yeah it's insane and so uh the police do a very thorough investigation they get several witnesses um epstein catches went halfway through the investigation

and starts basically doing all these things that we mentioned with the private investigators. And then once it gets to the state attorney, that's when things get really weird because the state attorney kind of starts backing down to the point where the chief of police contacts the FBI. Jim Acosta

gets involved. Alex Acosta is the current labor secretary under Donald Trump. Oh, yeah, yeah, Alex Acosta. Jim's brother. I don't know what I'm saying. I am not qualified. That's why they think Trump's coming after the pedophiles because of his abuse of Jim Acosta.

But yeah, and then the state attorney at the time was a guy named Barry Kreishner, interestingly enough, was accused in 1992 of groping a subordinate. But he's like... Unrelated, I'm sure. Yes. It tries to get Epstein off with even a misdemeanor. But we're kind of jumping ahead. I did just want to say two other things, and then we can kind of get into this.

So one other thing, we mentioned this, the house manager served 18 months longer than Epstein. Just unrelated. I don't know if you're familiar with these people, Matt, but Sherry Jacobus was apparently a columnist for USA Today and The Hill. And she tweeted at Michael Caputo or something. She tweeted at him in July 2018, quote, Are your daughters ugly like you or can Trump use them at the Epstein parties so they can survive when you're broke, bitter, alone and in prison for treason? Question mark. And she tweeted this at him and she was fired by USA Today and The Hill. And I just wanted to also highlight that Alan Dershowitz has not been fired by The Hill.

So in addition to the manager doing more time, just trolling people with Epstein stuff is also a greater offense. But I did just want to like finish the background stuff and then we finish out with the horrible inevitable conclusion of all this. Basically, Epstein in 87, he gets hired by this guy, Stephen Hoffenberg. Hoffenberg pays him about $25,000 a month for consulting. According to a Vanity Fair article, they engage in a variety of financial schemes, including price manipulations, like straw investing,

where Epstein will make investments with money from undisclosed Swiss accounts, you know, no criminal charges. But in 1995, Hoffenberg pleads guilty to a $460 million Ponzi scheme. He's sentenced to 19 years in prison. And he actually tells a journalist, I believe in the James Patterson book, essentially why Epstein didn't go to prison for this is you'll have to ask the U.S. attorney. And he alleges that the assistant U.S. attorney, Robert Gold, kept the investigation away from Epstein until the statute of limitations ran out and Epstein had previously helped the U.S. attorney recover money. We don't know how true that all is. But the important thing is in 1989, Epstein meets probably the most important person

in his life, his billionaire, Leslie Wexner. Leslie Wexner is the founder of L Brands, which owns Victoria's Secret, as well as Bath and Body Works. Epstein begins managing his money, 1989. Leslie Wexner buys Epstein his $13 million NYC home, which is apparently one of the largest private residences in Manhattan. Wow. There's like a weird story of Epstein. Let's go there after this. Yeah.

So they're like, according to Vanity Fair, Wexner trusts Epstein so completely that he has assigned to him the power of fiduciary over all of his private trusts and foundations. So he's like totally in control of his money. They go everywhere together. There's a story in this book that's really weird where Leslie Wexner gets married, and then he goes to Epstein to sign the uh the prenuptial and epstein gets him to sign it

on the uh bare chest of a sports illustrated swimsuit model as a way of being like hey this is what you're missing out when you're getting married you know just this kind of weird shit but the important thing here is that it's through um Wexner's ownership of Victoria's Secret that Jeffrey Epstein gets access to essentially hiring power or power within the Victoria's Secret catalog. Like as far as I've been able to tell, the earliest accusation is 1997. He's accused of groping a woman in a California hotel who he said, I can get you a job with the Victoria's Secret catalog. Essentially there. And though, you know, Leslie Wexner, of course, took all of the pictures of Epstein out of

his home after 2008. So I'm sure he has no involvement there. And then like the other thing that happens is he meets uh jeslene maxwell do you yeah do you familiar with robert maxwell uh matt no i don't think so so robert maxwell like i guess maybe british listeners might be more familiar he's kind of infamous over there but so basically he was a um a billionaire media baron in the united. His body washed up in 1991. He either fell or jumped or was pushed off his yacht, essentially.

He was a major media baron in the United Kingdom, but after he died, it came out that he had looted hundreds of millions of pounds from his employees' pensions and used them to pump up the stock price in his empire, which of course goes back to him. So this is how Jeslene maxwell his daughter becomes rich is you know stealing hundreds of millions out of employees pensions but the important thing is after her father's dies

she moves in 1991 to nyc she briefly becomes lovers with jeffrey epstein and then according to these sworn affidavits starts procuring young girls for him like victoria roberts we've mentioned in epstein's words she's upgraded to his best friend yeah so there's like a vanity fair article that was written before all this came out and if you read it with hindsight it's extremely creepy yeah because yes he gives that quote there yeah and in the vanity fair article um uh the Patterson book goes over this. They do. The original article had details of Epstein's his his abuse from what they what was known in 2003.

Then Epstein showed up at Vanity Fair offices, more or less threatened them. And they had to cut all of that stuff from the article and you could see when you read the article that it's a long article there every section is you know several several paragraphs long and then the one about uh jeffrey epstein's you know quote affinity for young women is only two paragraphs long yeah but yeah so it's like through jeslyn maxwell it's two paragraphs long like he left that in even after cussing them out. I mean, they cut out all the stuff that was... It was just like, he likes younger women. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Fucking gross. But through Jeslyn Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein meets the British royal family, which is... This is where the Lyndon LaRouche conspiracy theory comes in, that the British family is directing all of this. That's like... Yeah, that's like when Superman and Batman won the Justice League there.

Oh, man, that's like when Cal-El finds Earth's yellow sun and gains his powers getting next to the fucking British royal family. Those people know how to do pedophilia, folks. Like a thousand years straight. They've never stopped. It's shepherd's pie game from the Norman conquest onward. But yeah, so Prince Andrew would, of course, be accused of participating in this.

But Jeslyn Maxwell, she's also friends with Donald Trump. This is how Jeffrey epstein gets access to mar-a-lago and we've mentioned virginia roberts she was age 15 she was working as a changing room assistant at mar-a-lago and there are videos with prince andrew with his arm around virginia roberts really it's a child as yeah it's horrifying yeah um but so uh jeslyn maxwell essentially meets her in this changing room, and she offers to train her as a massage therapist, which, of course, means, according to Virginia Roberts' sworn affidavit,

Jeslyn Maxwell brings her to Jeffrey Epstein's house, where they both sexually assault her. And this continues for, I believe, three years. She essentially ends up being trafficked by Epstein, according to her sworn testimony, or sworn affidavit, was made to have sex with Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz, allegedly.

I don't know. He's litigious about that one. I don't know. He's threatening to sue everybody, but I don't think he wants a discovery phase. Come on. I think he's full of shit on that. I think so much has come out now

that he can't sue everybody That's another thing Who are you going to sue dude? Everyone knows I have to say though That anybody The idea that Trump Was involved in this Just seems very very far fetched

All you really have is the quote Where he explicitly says that he is aware That Jeffrey Epstein likes young girls And you have the fact that he founded a uh beauty pageant for the explicit purpose of doing porky's style hijinks and googling underage girls while they were changing which he just bragged about i don't think he's the kind of guy who would do anything no i think he's actually conducting the secret investigation of all the pedophiles and they're all going to go to jail soon and like so what the fuck happened in like the 2016 election there was like a jane doe who was

alleging that when she was 13 yes through donald trump that she was abused or through epstein she was abused by trump but and then she was going to have a press conference and didn't show up to it, and then kind of withdrew her accusations, and then I haven't heard anything about it since then. Yeah, one of the weirdest things about that is that when Trump got elected... All the pedophilia stopped. Yeah.

The judge explicitly said, because he's the president, you should seek a settlement, which is... That's weird. That's bad judging. He's just offering some advice there. He's busy. He's got a lot on his plate.

The master dealmaker cuts another one. There's so many deals to be made. He's in prime deal-making position. And you know what he was, because remember, he finally settled the fucking Trump University lawsuit. Right, right.

So get him while he's still looking to get things out of the headlines, I guess. Out-of-court settlement. NDA. Deal, deal, deal. Boom. So many deals. Folks, we're making so many deals.

No one's going to talk about all the horrible shit we do. But Jeslyn Maxwell is, again, kind of a horrifying person. making so many deals no one's gonna talk about all the horrible shit we do but jeslyn maxwell is again kind of a horrifying uh person like a high class carla hamolka yeah so yes and she attends chelsea clinton's wedding in 2010 which is so weird again this is i love how we have all these these two parties who are opposed to one another and certainly are not just one giant disgusting fucking ruling class like in the movie society just getting together in a room where their bodies lose definition and they come into one giant sort of disgusting jabba the hut like slithering blob

and then they just feed young children through a chute into the blob and the blob just absorbs them in one end and then shoots them out covered in mucus and traumatized for life out of the other. And then when they're done, they just go into different parts again and then go on TV and yell about how each other is a pedophile. I love that. It's great. I love the two-party system we have. I mean, Epstein, he's a testament to bipartisanship. Like, Ken Starr was one of his one of his defense attorneys and uh Ken who uh you know he took down Bill Clinton and also uh had as a protege at Brett Kavanaugh yes that's true we need a return to bipartisanship in

Washington DC the good old days but yeah it's like it's like a weird thing where it's like so we need a return to bipartisanship in Washington, D.C. The good old days. But yeah, it's like a weird thing where it's like, so she attends Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2010. There's allegations, again, unsubstantiated, that she was the conduit through which Epstein continued to communicate with the Clintons. But it is just fucking weird where it's like, okay, you're at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

Did Chelsea Clinton invite you? Did Bill or Hillary invite youary invite you i mean you know what's going on epstein of course had been a donor to the clintons before that became politically incorrect to accept his money um but and then jeslyn maxwell is that she's like on some she's founded some foundation that's all about saving the oceans yeah she's got a. Yeah, she did a TEDx talk in 2014. Couldn't get booked on regular TED. It's the foundation to clean the ocean of all the bodies that have been dropped

from the bay of flying over airplanes over the years. A lot of trash has been ending up in the ocean from St. James Island. From Eastern Europe. But so, you know, and this kind of like brings us to the thing where, again, this is where in the 90s where these allegations start.

Jeslyn Maxwell is allegedly recruiting for Jeffrey Epstein. Including at Mar-a-Lago. Yes. All right. Yes. All right. Yes. And so this Palm Beach case, which we mentioned earlier, essentially the Palm Beach PD find that from 2001 to 2006, they identify 47 minors molested and raped at his Palm Beach mansion. Two of them said that they were actually like physically raped. And keep in mind, Epstein has several properties in Manhattan.

Yes. This is just Palm Beach. This is just Palm Beach. Right. And these are just the ones that the law enforcement was able to confirm. And so this, this, the state attorney, Barry Kreischer, Kreischer, he stopped, stops returning calls from the detectives. You know, they get suspicious as we mentioned.

Which is what you do as a state attorney. Right, right. Because you stop returning calls from the guy investigating the case you're prosecuting. So he kicks it up to, or the detective tries to get the FBI involved. Alex Acosta, again, current labor secretary, then U.S. attorney in charge, gives Jeffrey Epstein almost immediately this non-prosecution agreement. There's the emails between the prosecution and Acosta, which are essentially saying,

hey, let's make sure to keep this out of the press. Yeah, because there's one thing that the politically ambitious prosecutors hate is high-profile sexual assault cases involving high-profile characters. That's the kind of thing that you don't want to have your hands on if you want to build a reputation for yourself as tough on crime

and become higher up in the political system, become Attorney General or something. You don't want that. No. You've got to keep that stuff quiet. The thing about this is that this case, so they had all this, he was dead to rights. They could have put him under the prison for the rest of his life.

And then they made a plea deal with him, and you look at the way that it was negotiated, So they had all this. He was dead to rights. They could have put him under the prison for the rest of his life. Right. And then they made a plea deal with him, which, and you look at the way that it was negotiated, was basically everything, the entire settlement was, the terms of it were presented by the defense attorneys. And the prosecution just said, okay, you got a deal. And when that happens, usually you get something and traditionally in a case like this you get leniency in exchange for naming your co-conspirators in this case it really looks like they gave him immunity to not name any of his co-conspirators like that was the quid pro quo

was we'll give you a sweetheart deal in exchange for you not releasing any of these tapes or not telling anybody about any of the people who you had in your place i mean what it's the only thing that makes sense it's the only explanation for these guys just deciding to go insanely easy violating federal law oh yeah to give him a deal when they had him fucking done for it was not like this was an iffy case that they might that they were like well we don't want to roll the dice we want to make sure we get him he was done for and then they say not only you're okay we're not gonna we're gonna give you the slight sentence but anybody unnamed yes anybody who might have done anything associated with you who we don't even know is preemptively immune. And that is just, that's so comically, obviously crooked that it really tells you that, oh yeah,

the only thing that makes sense here, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist, you don't have to think there's dungeons in pizza restaurants, is that he had information about incredibly powerful people and those people had more sway over the prosecutors and the FBI than more sway over the prosecutors and the and the fbi than any concept of the law or even concern for public opinion would yep right and like and the other thing is alex acosta again current trump's current labor secretary is appointed by george w bush he's

supposedly a republican u.s attorney investigating a prominent democrat donor this is like this is this is catnip. This is the kind of thing that makes your career. And for some reason, they can't touch it. It's a hot potato. There was also, in the Patterson book, an unnamed Democratic politician

who contacted the chief of police, telling him to back off repeatedly, to the point where the chief of police had to say this is illegal stop it an anonymous democrat politician who kept talking about how he feels the

chief of police's pain and could the prosecutors themselves be a part of the Epstein ring you think like I mean like that to me makes the most sense like oh if we nail this guy for everything he knows we're gonna get fucked too so we might as well say hey you can't name anyone as well i mean that's the thing is what's so staring disturbing about it is it doesn't they don't have to like like power is is is

display distributed in such a way that your career if you care about your career they have an ability to determine your actions regardless of your personal culpability you know like these guys they might not have anything on them they don't have to have a blackmail file on you they just have to know that you want to get another better job and look at fucking acosta he's a goddamn in the cabinet now it worked for him he made the right call from a career perspective he made the correct rational self-interested bayesian choice or whatever the hell to to do that and and and regardless of whether he he was trying to cover something up that he had something to do with or he just wanted

to keep advancing uh that's all it took and so like that's what's that's the thing is not only do you have all these prosecutors and cops either looking the other way or or cutting this deal but all the people who knew about it while it was happening all the people who worked with and around epstein who knew it was happening and it didn't have anything to do with it weren't weren't part of the of the yellow king circle didn't didn't have a passport to carcosa yeah all you need you don't even need that's the thing it's you all you need is at the very top and the all you need is the perversions to be concentrated high enough at the top that all you need to keep that uh secret is

not some cascading level of like cthulhu worship. You just need people wanting to be ambitious and want their careers to get better. And then that will do the rest. Yeah, that's pretty horrifying. And just in what Matt was saying on like, did they get anything out of this? As far as like what we know, this Miami Herald long piece, the only thing they found was essentially,

and this is a weird thing that I learned, is Jeffrey Epstein was a key federal witness in the only criminal prosecution they tried against wall street they tried to indict two uh senior bear stearns executives they were eventually found not guilty and then nobody else was held accountable and apparently jeffrey epstein was a federal witness in this so you know the immunity was worth it because we put all those bankers in jail with his testimony yeah no that definitely feels like a post-facto right if everyone looks into this yeah we have to have some explanation for why we gave him this deal and it's like well these guys they you know they would have still not gone to jail if it hadn't been for him

his incredible testimony and so just like other stuff from the trial, Alan Dershowitz was, of course, one of Epstein's attorneys, along with Ken Starr. Allegedly. Alan Dershowitz submits the MySpace quizzes of some of the victims as evidence. Really? Yeah. Apparently, Alan Dershowitz

showed that in one of the victims' MySpaces under the quiz she wrote, ever drank? Yes. Ever smoked pot? Yeah. Ever skinny dipped? Yeah. And then the fucking state attorney, they call a grand jury, which is apparently not usual in these kinds of cases, according to the Patterson book.

But the state attorney, or the lawyers, grill the victim about her MySpace page in this fucking deposition. And it's just really weird where, again, this is a child trafficking victim being... In your MySpace grill. Yeah, because she wrote, yes, I've smoked

pot on my fucking MySpace page. We've noticed stuff in your top eight that's really suspicious. Jesus. Have you talked to Tom? Did Tom want you to do anything? Wow, Tom gives your character a thumbs down. The other one, the other really, really unusual prosecutorial behavior, and this wasn't even in Florida,

is that after Epstein does his incredibly light sentence where he got to be furloughed six days a week and just spend nights in the jail, not even the prison, the fucking jail, and he got back to New York and he had to register as a sex offender. He then, with the balls of stone, tries to appeal his status and argue that he doesn't have to get it renewed. And who argues on his behalf in front of the court is one of Cy Vance's Manhattan ADAs. The fucking ADA says, you you know come on judge like

he's not gonna he's fine look at him wow like where the fuck does that come from like whoa and of course sy vance famous for looking the other way for weinstein and fucking ivanka and jared just whose jaw he's just the the renfield for every fucking crooked piece of shit on that island right yeah unless you're like a homeless guy with a job oh yeah then you're five years He's just the Renfield for every fucking crooked piece of shit on that island. Right. Yeah. Unless you're like a homeless guy with a job. Oh, yeah. Then you're fucked. Five years in Rikers Island.

Tough on crime. Yeah. Yeah. You got a gravity knife, buddy. You're done. You're a serial rapist, but you don't jump the turnstile. Yeah. And just like one other anecdote from this Patterson book about the justice system in

Florida. In 2013, a Florida man got 10-year mandatory minimum for sexting with a cop pretending to be a 15-year-old. What? And again, you know, this is like... Oh, my God. Likely hundreds of cases of just child rape and abuse. And, you know... Well, I mean, the real lesson here is

if you have those kind of proclivities, you know, start day trading. You know, build up a nest egg, Well, I mean, the real lesson here is if you have those kind of proclivities, start day trading. Build up a nest egg. Get your license. Get your broker's license. Come here. Get in Manhattan.

Make friends and videotape what they're doing. Yeah, go to parties. Just keep it under wraps until you hit the seven-figure net worth minimum, and then you can start going to town. I like to think the feds heard that he worked at bear stearns and then drafted the non-prosecution agreement out of habit um but so i i guess it just like the time we have left there is like one other case that's or one other part of this story that's pretty horrifying that i just wanted to kind of go just one well of what we know. Are we not going to have time to talk about Deep Dershowitz pizza?

We might have a couple minutes, but I do just want to talk about... Last night I just texted Sean, Hey, Sean, hey, Sean, hey, Sean, Deep Dershowitz pizza. So John Luke Brunel was a modeling scout and owner of a modeling agency he was in 1988 accused in a 60 minutes program of uh drugging and raping multiple models he's been accused by models of again drugging their drinks raping them and you know it's a shady fucking guy uh he opens a modeling agency called karen k--A-R-I-N. Epstein, in 2004 or 2005, invests $1 to $2 million in it and gets him to change the name to MC2 Modeling Agency,

as in E equals MC squared, you know, physics. He fucking loves science. That is true. He does. He's given tons of money to Harvard and stuff for their neurology or neuroscience departments and stuff. He fucking loves science. No, here's that's where that's I mean

that's what Steve Pinker would tell you about why he was on the plane. Well, we were just talking about science. Yeah, here's here's where it gets really fucked up is one of the guys that he brought on the plane to his island is Marie Gelman who is a Nobel Prize winning physicist and also the guy

who coined the term quarks to describe the subatomic particles and is the father of quantum chromodynamics. He's tied up in the Epstein thing and was like a good friend of him and talked about how great it was that Epstein always had these beautiful women around him all the time.

He was picking his brain to figure out a way that they could use like the Hadron Collider to create women of negative age. Also, yes, he is the father of hadrons as a concept. Is there a negative 14-year-old that I could possibly be involved in in the string dimension or something? That'd be nice. You go to the I fucking love science Facebook page

and you post the photo of Stephen Hawking and Jeffrey Epstein's submarine and just see if anybody notices. Jeffrey Epstein's submarine and just see if anybody notices. Jeffrey Epstein loves physics. Alright, so the point here is that they set up this MC2 modeling agency either 2004 or 2005. By the way, we tried to find videos. Apparently

Epstein used to have videos where he describes theoretical physics. We tried to find these videos. They're not online. If our listeners can find them, please send them to us. Would you describe the universe as egg-shaped? If a 14-year-old girl is in a box with an egg-shaped penis, you don't know if she's molested until you open it. So basically, according to this complaint filed in a U.S. District Court in Florida,

Epstein and this guy, Jean-Luc Brunel, quote, deliberately engaged in a pattern of racketeering that involved luring minor children through the MC2 modeling agency, mostly girls under the age of 17, to engage in sexual play for money. Basically, they would get girls from out of the country, many of whom didn't speak English, and they would get them into the United States on visas to work as models. On the promise of a modeling contract. Right. And then once they were there, they would be staying in condos that just happened to be owned by Jeffrey Epstein, and they would be charged, quote, rent, which meant they would be prostituted. I mean, that's classic child.

Yeah. That's classic trafficking is you bring someone in, and then they're staying at your place, and then you make them pay rent by trafficking their services. And for what it's worth john luke brunel would actually stay at epstein's palm beach mansion for the time that he was incarcerated uh so you know it's just kind of like horrifying uh all of the stuff that that's not part of just the palm beach uh criminal case that we're talking about by the way the parallels with the recent um r kelly documentary are also kind of stunning that it seems like once it like these case that we're talking about. By the way, the parallels with the recent R. Kelly documentary

are also kind of stunning. It seems like once these pedophiles get powerful enough, they just have these live-in sex slaves. And they both can't read. They become the bank.

So basically and then one other thing and then we can talk about with the time we have left the future but essentially epstein what's gonna happen next but epstein owns what's called little saint james island in the u.s virgin islands according to the guardian for a time the wife of the governor of the u.s virgin islands was managing two companies that epstein set up there um so he owns this. And then according to Virginia Roberts, it's like secluded. They would have, according to Virginia Roberts,

they would have child orgies there because this is a 70 acre island. That's totally secluded that, you know, nobody really knows what's going on there. And that not except the locals who coined the term for his airplane, the Lolita Express. Yes. And I did just want to mention, if you Google

the Little St. James Island, you will learn that people will leave Google reviews for the Little St. James Island. And the Little St. James Island has 1.2 stars out of 5. And I just wanted to share two of these with you.

Quote, I am leaving this review for the children that never got to leave Pedophile Island one star and then another one is there is enough operators and patriots that should infiltrate this island and end the horror for these young people surveillance till more are on the island. Okay, that would rule. That's the real move. Forget going to the Comet Ping Pong.

Just get a cigarette boat full of your army buddies and try to go out there. We thought this was a Chuck E. Cheese, one star. The country bear band came alive. But yes, so, you know, that's the direct action you can take is to leave one star reviews for Epstein's Pedophile Island. That would be the John Oliver segment on the Pedophile Island. You can go to Google and leave a one star review. So people don't go to his private island.

But, I mean, essentially, like, the future here is there's one civil case that's ongoing as of this recording, which is basically because this non-prosecution agreement violates what was called the Crime Victims Rights Act. Right, because they kept it from the victims. They kept the terms of the deal from the victims. They didn't know about it before it had been carried out, which violated this law. Right, so because it violated this law, there's this ongoing civil case, and they're essentially trying to get the non-prosecution agreement thrown out,

which would allow Epstein to be charged again, you know, federally for whatever on the statute, wherever the statute of limitation hasn't expired or whatever else. But the point is, this case is ongoing as of this moment, but it is just something where it's like, I guess we'll just keep our eyes out because either more stuff comes out or this just kind of goes away like in in Alex Acosta's Senate hearings for when he became Labor Secretary a couple people brought this up I think Dianne Feinstein briefly but it just wasn't kind of pressed it was you know 60-some senators voted for the guy and then he said oh you know it's better we got two years acting like you know it was hard to get more than that or something. So,

uh, I guess just like in the future, uh, we'll see if he has enough to just, uh, make the political establishment or the elite businessmen or whoever else consolidate themselves behind him. Or he'll,

or he'll, uh, he'll, you know, just show up, uh, dead somewhere. Yes. right.

Like autoerotic asphyxiation while watching Hannah Montana reruns. I'm sure he's got like a dead man's switch, though. He should. I was thinking about that. If he's smart, he does. Which means that, yeah, if they take him down, he might decide to just press it. He's a brain scientist. He is.

Imagine models being like, I don't want to go to your island. I looked at the Yelp review. A lot of one stars on there. Andy, you have that drop of like the address. I saw everything, yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. He is circumcised, my bad. He's circumcised, 110% sure.

As a matter of fact, he has some sort of birth defect on his thing. Um, it's like a teardrop, like a drop of water. It's really fat at the bottom and skinny at the top where it's attached. And he never gets fully hard, ever. I was thinking about the one with all the addresses. There's like, so, yeah. What a chilling drop to just bring on. I got one more, too.

It should be the teaser. I loaded up three drops describing Jeffrey Epstein's penis. So happy you let us know there's another one before you displayed it for us. It's more of a threat. Do you have the names and addresses, Paul? I have the names, but we already played it. Oh, we already played that? Yeah, with like Bill Richardson and... Yeah, yeah, Bill Richardson.

I love that. Just the wet blanket from 2008. Wearing a bolo tie. According to Vanity Fair, again, this proves nothing, but billionaire... This is the article that came out before he was added as a sex predator uh billionaire ronald perlman was a frequent dinner guest uh billionaire leon black perlman yeah the guy from hell not perlman i don't know uh i checked yeah uh billionaire leon black frequent dinner guest donald trump of course woody

allen and so you know it's just, if you spend enough time Googling, you can tangentially connect him to so many people that it's very scary. Yeah. And he does not drink or smoke tobacco. Oh, good. There's six degrees of, if you want to have a complete breakfast,

you need six degrees of Kevin Bacon and then the six degrees of the egg. But I guess, Matt, are there things we didn't get to where you're kind of closing thoughts on this, man? No, I think we were pretty thorough. This is good. A lot of good research you guys did, which I'm, of course, totally unwilling to do

due to congenital laziness. But it's really always horrifying just to lay it out and see the just lack of any, on his part, concern, his entirety of him doing it, being willing to just put out a net of hundreds of girls and saying, yeah, there's no way I'm going to get in trouble for this. And then you're like, you idiot, of course you are. And that's like, no, he was right. In any meaningful sense no he wasn't going to get in trouble for this and it just tells you yeah there's uh there's a whole other strat up there they do what they want to do and yeah there's a reference earlier to kubrick i

mean um there is a whole theory that eyes wide shut is based on stuff that he was directly familiar with right from his exposure to the uh the upper crust who he was directly familiar with from his exposure to the upper crust who he rubbed elbows with, especially in where? The United Kingdom that he lived in for a few years, where they invented the practice. I mean, the last prime minister, David Cameron, admitted basically that when he was in the fourth form

or whatever he put his dick in a dead pig's mouth and we know that the skull and bones for many years the initiation ritual involved lying in a coffin naked jacking off while listing your sexual history and it just makes sense

you know it's like the ruling class it's a class and that means not only that they share economic interests, but they have a social milieu, and they have rituals of bonding, like going to Buffalo Wild Wings and watching a football game, only the Wild Wings are adrenochrome snacks that came from the brains of the children. Yeah, and then the Miami Herald, which wrote this great long piece, adrenochrome snacks that came from the brains of the children. Yeah. And then like the Miami Herald,

which wrote this great long piece, their current campaign, which I think is kind of hopeless, is they're trying to get the Senate to pass a bill which would allow the inspector general to investigate Alex Acosta's role in this. And, you know, getting the Senate to do anything,

much less expose the pedophile cover up, I think is kind of a long shot. I don't think you're going to get a super majority of people who aren't entangled with that. Two-thirds of the Senate who are not. And then, again, there's still a lot of sealed documents in the Virginia Roberts case. One of her cases was settled, and there's sealed documents related to that. So there's just a lot of open questions about what's in these sealed documents and maybe we'll all get to learn within the next five or ten years or maybe everything goes away and then we don't talk about it again

i think the only way you're going to really get to the bottom of it is if you give a random person a billion dollars nope somebody had no connection to the wealthy at all and then you're like all right you have a random person a billion dollars. Nope. Somebody who had no connection to the wealthy at all. And then you're like, all right, you have a billion dollars now. No one can take it from you.

You are set forever. Your family is now super wealthy. And now you can go and you can bring down the pedophiles. And then like he can create his own sort of anti pedo Pinkerton's. Right. Go to town and investigate it and reveal it to the public. Because that's the only way it would happen is a countervailing force of vast wealth being able to circumvent the obviously compromised formal channels of justice. I would say it would probably be the fastest turnover from buying a Gulfstream to having a sudden

high-altitude depressurization. Absolutely. It's like, oh, this idiot, he left the dipstick in. Of course it was going to crash out of the sky somehow. Sometimes limos explode.

Yeah. All right. Any other closing thoughts we didn't get to? Yes. Allison explained that Epstein's penis was deformed. She explained that his penis was oval-shaped. She claimed when Epstein's penis was erect, it was thick toward the bottom, but was thin and small toward the head portion. She called Epstein's penis was erect, it was thick toward the bottom, but was thin and small toward the head portion.

She called Epstein's penis egg-shaped. You're never going to think of balloon clowns the same way. Or omelets. But Matt Chrisman, again Again obviously my favorite podcast Chapo Trap House I want to thank you sincerely for coming and doing this with us And you know obviously if you're listening to this You probably listen to Chapo

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refer to it. He also has a giant ranch in New Mexico. Also, according to Virginia Roberts, Dershowitz abused her there. So stay. Google the reviews of the property that you're going to stay at. Never give a billionaire a massage. Mushrooms good, eggs bad.

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