Grubstakers - Patreon Leak: Episode 66: Bill Gates Part 2

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

Originally posted on May 16th 2019, but you all have been so good we decided to give you a free treat! Part 2 of the Bill Gates episode now on the free side! if this post gets 666 hits or more we'll release part 3 on the free side too. On our first Patreon episode we continue the saga of Bill Gates from this week’s freeloader (not you) episode. We learn about what a horn-dog he is and frankly all feel gross as a result. We also talk IBM and all kinds of fun 90's dirt. Thank you for subscribing! Love ya!

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but anyway all right uh in five four three two three, two... Hello, welcome back to Grubstakers, the podcast about billionaires, distorted Windows operating system sound effects. Welcome to the first Patreon episode. Premium, baby. This is the good stuff. The first one behind the paywall.

This is where the dirt is. I love having the support of real billionaires. As our faithful paying customers, I will reveal the dirt I teased on the free episode. Oh, yeah. This is crucial information. It comes from people with direct contact to Bill Gates. Bill Gates is a serial pedophile. No.

If you type this in. The recording cuts. No. Serial pedophile. No. If you type this into... The recording cuts. No, serial pedophile doesn't make sense. Serial child molester is, but pedophile is a state of being. Gunfire off, Mike. If you type this into Word, red lettering shows up automatically. So I'm just letting you know this is some high-level dirt. Bill Gates, this is a true fact, back in the day had some of the worst dandruff of all time.

Bill Gates had terrible dandruff. It's a secret that most people don't know. And I could be killed for this information, ladies and gentlemen. And that's why I'm only releasing this on the Patreon premium content. He put that out there to distract from his time on Jeffrey Epstein's island. But yes, I guess we should mention this is one, our first premium episode. So thank you for listening to this and supporting what we're doing here. And two, this is part two of our Bill Gates episode.

Thank you for giving us money or caring enough to steal this. Either way, we're happy you're here. Yeah. And I think I can announce now that I will be giving $5 a month to the Bernie Sanders campaign. So if you subscribe to this Patreon, you are giving Bernie $5 a month to the Bernie Sanders campaign. So if you subscribe to this Patreon, you are giving Bernie $5 a month. And if you get us to the... I did a $2.27 donation.

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I realize I'm talking to people who have already subscribed to the Patreon, but tell your friends. Didn't we tell them that if they paid, you'd start pronouncing it right? In a court of law, maybe. That was a vaporware we used the Microsoft strategy I announced that I was going to start saying things right and then I never did

alright let's get into the dirt ladies and gentlemen you're here for the good stuff part two of Bill Gates so where we left you off wait we shouldn't introduce ourselves though yeah they know who we are Sean McCarthy Yogi Poehl Andy Palmer Steve Jeffries alright so part two of Bill Gates where we left you ourselves though yeah they know who we are sean mccarthy yogi poll andy palmer jeffries all right uh so part two of bill gates where we left you off uh last time on the the previous episode was

essentially in the 1970s bill gates's work bill gates and paul allen are working for this company mits which made altair which is like the first personal computer that doesn't really do that much but uh you know they write the basic program that allows it to be kind of operational. I guess it's like an operating system, but not quite an operating system. It allows people to... They put BASIC into a computer, and it allows people to write their own programs and actually use a computer. But it's still not an operating system.

And like we mentioned in the last episode, this is around the time where they did the uh split and actually the number is bill gates took 64 of the company and gave paul allen 36 only our premium listeners get the true details on the dirt so okay so i've been doing uh we give a lot of fake information on our free episodes yeah if you don't pay for our podcast we'll make you sound misinformed in front of your friends by just saying a lot of fake information on our free episodes. Yeah, if you don't pay for our podcast, we'll make you sound misinformed in front of your friends by just saying a bunch of lies. Now, I kind of did some deep digging for this premium episode,

and I looked into about as much as I could about Bill Gates, the history of Microsoft. I found every possible source I could dig up. I had to go to the Seattle Public Library just to find some documents you can only find there. And what I've come to uncover is that Bill Gates is a pretty great guy. And, you know, just doing his best out there in the world.

And that's been the premium grub stakers i'm andy palmer you think it's ironic that paul allen's um library could be considered a cancer on the seattle skyline god i think it's not really visible on the skyline but let's say it's architecturally cancer i saw the Ted talk for the guy who designed that library and it was just him bragging. And he's like, you see, people said that it's a shitty library,

but like it has everything a library is supposed to have. It's got books and librarians. It's got, it's got a place for people to like hang out. And then it's got, it's got places. And it didn't mention is that it's got metal chairs that screech if you adjust them slightly. And also the most nauseating spiral stacks that you could.

It's a very claustrophobic. For something made completely of glass, it's completely claustrophobic. It's ugly as hell. You definitely have to walk a long way to find books you need. Yeah. Unnecessarily. Because it's a maze. In the TED Talk, he went on like. And another thing. Ugly as hell You definitely have to walk a long way to find books you need Yeah unnecessarily Because it's a maze In the TED talk he went on like

And another thing that episode of Game of Thrones Was lighted appropriately It was not too dark That joke is already old I know Well that's why we put the good stuff behind the patreon five dollars a month for uh jokes that were made on twitter three weeks ago uh but so so we're in the late 70s in bill gates's career yes that is his tyrannical rule over the technology world so it's him paul allen and they

have a couple employees at this point they're primarily working for uh mits and this altair computer but they are also making their basic operating or not quite operating system for other of the uh personal mini computers that are springing up and mits is getting real pissed off at them and they're like hey stop it uh you're in violation of our agreement that says that you can't do that and uh microsoft said fuck you yeah essentially in paul allen's book idea man uh he talks about how uh mits market share wrote it ed roberts the mits guy is uh is the idea what if we made the ugliest library anybody has ever seen but only after

we make the ugliest museum anyone has ever seen where I know it might look like absolute shit on the outside I'm talking about the experience music project in Seattle by the Space Needle it may look like absolute shit on the outside but it's even worse on the

inside it's even worse on the inside. It's completely uncomfortable. Nothing is inviting about it. And then we'll take that and use that as inspiration for a shitty library. Essentially. But in 1977, basically, Ed Roberts was trying to sell the company MITS to Pertek, a Southern Californian manufacturer, and they thought they're buying the rights to BASIC. That's what Ed Roberts essentially said.

And sorry, we should just mention, so MITS, the Altair is the first of these many computers. And he kind of gets into Ed Roberts is the founder, he gets into this on kind of a gamble where like, his other business, I thought, I forget if it was calculators or something like that. But it, you know, there's too much competition. So he gets this idea for a personal computer. And so he's the first that's way too much demand. He's actually making good money.

But, of course, as soon as he does this, a ton of competitors spring up. So now he's kind of in a rock and a hard place because he has all these other competitors coming in. So he's trying to sell the business. And as Yogi mentioned, this company, Pertek, tech buys it and they think when they buy it they are also buying basic you know right the code and at this time the the ed roberts canceled two-third of our third-party sales and so that then at this point paul allen talking this is paul allen from the book idea man so at this point they were folks you read a book hey guys i'm really proud of myself okay that's what you get for the premium is yogi read a book i read a book that's right

i can read i'm imagining like walking yogi learned to read i'm imagining walking through paul allen's library for three hours trying to find his book where the fuck is it this is an architectural nightmare So at that point They're frozen out of their main source of income So then they essentially pony up with a lawyer And basically This lawsuit that takes a couple of months Wait so let me just stop you

The Pertek buys it and then a court says No Pertek has not bought it They're trying to buy it And the MITS Pert, are filed for arbitration to terminate the MITS contract with Paul Allen and Bill Gates. I see. So essentially,

there's a court injunction that stops Bill Gates and Paul Allen from selling the thing, and this is around 77. Right. And so... And also, MITS, kind of slow on paying the royalties

for basic. Yes, yes. This was another part of it. Go on, Andy. No, that was it. Okay. And so, basically, the paperwork that Bill and Paul drew up for the contract with MITS, Ed Roberts didn't really look through.

In November, seven long months after the process began, the arbitrator handed down a 12-page decision. The special clause in our contract, those papers that Ed never checked, had made all the difference. The testimony was undisputed that MITS never really embarked on what could be considered best efforts in marketing the source code the decision read. By vetoing our sub-license sales, MITS slash Pertec materially breached its best efforts obligation. So the ruling was a total victory for Microsoft, according to Paul Allen here. And essentially, at this point, they were absolved for their contract previous to MIT as PerTech, and now could really do whatever the fuck they wanted to.

I got the loot, Steve! That's, of course, the excellent movie Pirates of Silicon Valley, where Bill Gates describes how he got the loot to Steve Jobs. Actually, yeah, there is an interesting tangent at one point.

Around this time, they were trying to sell Basic to a couple of little fuck-ups in their garage who were building a computer. And so they call up, I think it's Steve Wozniak's mom or something, and they get Steve on the phone, or Steve Jobs' mom. They're living with someone's mom. True. And they get Wozniak. Nerds.

They get Wozniak on the phone, and they're like, hey, do you want our special basic for your new special Apple whatever the fuck? And Steve Wozniak was like, no, I can knock that out over a weekend. But then he couldn't, and they actually had to come back with their tail between their legs and buy it off of microsoft right steve wasniak calls him up uh yeah bill do you still got the loot i got the loot um but yeah so like yogi said from that contract we mentioned this on the previous episode but again this is important uh bill Gates and Paul Allen, the contract they have with MITS to provide BASIC for the Altair PC, there's a clause in there that essentially says MITS is going to make all good faith efforts to promote BASIC on other computers.

And because that clause is in there, when Pertek buys it and tries to claim basic, it's thrown out. And so Bill Gates and Paul Allen win this court case in like 77, 78, and now they're home free. Yeah. At the time, Paul Allen was not sure if the lawsuit would go their way. And in the book, it even says Bill Gates, like, Bill Gates says, I talked to my dad and he thinks we got a good shot, which is like the most like rich kid logic I've ever heard.

Yeah. I think Bill Gates' lawyer dad wrote up the original contract too, or at least helped them with it. So when they terminate that contract, that's for 1977, that's most of their annual revenue of $381,000.

And they have a headcount of nine employees, just to give some perspective on early Microsoft. And this is where they begin to start working everyone to the bone, essentially, including themselves. They're in their mid to late 20s at this time, and they want to conquer the world. And that is what they set out to do.

Yeah, there's like from Bill Gates' time at Harvard and also from this time, there's just basic descriptions of him being able to like go 36 hours without sleeping and then just kind of like crashing in a corner just in the middle of a room or something so and you know he's kind of a workaholic and like from this point um I believe it's like not until he gets married in 94 that he takes a vacation right like you know more than like a week or so. Before all that, though, after this contract with MIT has dissolved, they essentially go to Japan a whole bunch to sell their products.

The Japanese market was extremely competitive, but they definitely learned from the Japanese competition to implement it into their deal with IBM that happens a few years later. Paul, how do I say I got the loot in Japanese?

Well, I don't know. It's alright. That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. You can't fool me. There ain't no sanity clause. For $5 a month, you can listen to the Marx Brothers.

It definitely would have been better earlier, but I couldn't find it in time. That was great. So, you know, and so what really happens is IBM comes in, and I'm not sure if there's anything else we should get to before we go to IBM. Well, before IBM,

I just want to briefly mention the Xerox Group Park. Sean, what does that stand for? Oh, Palo Alto Research. I don't know if it's corporation or something like that. Whatever. Anyway, a head researcher there gets a blank check to make essentially whatever they want. And they create what would become the modern computer, Ethernet, and a few other things.

The mouse, right? The mouse is also developed there. And Xerox is like, these ain't printers. And so all of their efforts kind of go unnoticed at the time. But because Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and Paul Allen and Wozniak are connected into the computer world, they know about Park. And so they witness the devices that they're developing there. And Paul Allen literally goes, this is the future future this is what we need to be working on now uh what was the the source

for paul allen uh noting that those things were the future and him being right uh it's this book called idea man and who wrote it uh paul out okay okay just checking just checking in Just checking in. I do like the irony in Xerox being mad that people copied them. There was another thing where they did start to realize they needed an OS, and so they noticed that Unix, which I think was also developed by, I don't know if it was a government or a university, but they decided that they were going to take Unix and then sell their own version of it and call it Xenix. Oh, really?

Yeah. With an X? With a Z. Okay, all right. I didn't know if it was an X-E-N-I-X situation. Actually, maybe it was an X-E-N-I-X situation. Tech nerds love Zs and Xs. But yeah, so this is the late 70s and then it's really 19 so

we mentioned you know all these competing personal computer mini computer uh companies are springing up and in fact this is where the name microsoft comes from because it's software for micro computers you know and part of the reason that they saw the um the unix thing as a good idea, and then later CN slash M or something like that? CM? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Slash D? CP slash M? CP slash M.

Is that they had to, whenever they put BASIC on a computer, they basically had to tailor it to that computer. I think I've seen CP slash M on the 4chan. That came later when they were developing with Fortran. What's the M for? It's for mobile devices. I'm sorry, Eddie.

What were you saying? So, yes, they started using operating systems that basically because they realized you didn't have to every time they got a new customer which was someone who made a personal computer uh they they started using they they had to tailor make their code to work on that computer and so they had they wanted something that they could just apply to all computers and that that's how they kind of drifted over to the OSs. And also the trends were changing where people started to want to use a computer and not just with the code that they put in the computer, but use code somebody already wrote.

It was drifting away from the hobbyists and more towards people who wanted to actually use computers for their own purposes without having to learn all the code right and um and so ibm is getting into this market because you know we mentioned mits all that holocaust money dried up mits makes this breakthrough and of course at this point in american history ibm is the giant in fact uh department of justice uh the united states government attempts to break up ibm it's like uh according to the book overdrive this is called the department of justices vietnam because they spend like 12 years in court trying to break up ibm and eventually they you know get almost nothing you know and then of course ibm gets eliminated by my or not eliminated, but heavily displaced by Microsoft anyways. Right, right.

But so IBM has this idea in 1980, 79, 80, they want to get into this personal computer market that MITS and these other smaller companies have been in. And of course, they are the dominant American computer company. So this is very significant because they just have infinite financial firepower to really drop a pc onto the uh market right in 1980 what kind of hours would you say that the um these uh ibm people work uh 1488 i mean like what time would they start like 9 would you say 9 to

5 yeah more like 5am that's the sound of your fan base costing you six hundred thousand dollars uh shouts out to nick mullen um but yeah so uh ibm they come in and they want to get this thing going and it's significant because we we mentioned this on the last episode bill gates's mother um is sitting on the board for United Way. I do not understand how Nick Mullen could focus on acting when he's got this cool-ass soundboard in front of him.

Sorry, go on, Sean. More like 5 a.m. Yeah, more like 5 a.m. Yeah, it's's you know imagine making like thousands and thousands of dollars from it or thinking you're going to from just saying those words and then having it ripped out of your fingers by your fans who's gonna run on the super bowl yeah yeah but i like Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. But I like the idea of IBM workers being made to work until 5 a.m. And it being

like kind of a charming thing that they put in an ad and sing about. Almond Goat, you want to clear out the ghettos at 6 p.m.? Yeah, more like 5 a.m. I'm going to make a living. um okay so uh ibm you know and this is a major news because again major financial firepower going into the personal computer all of a sudden 1980 ibm pc hits the market changes

computing because you know now everybody can have a personal computer. But how does Bill Gates get the contract to make the operating system for IBM? Hard work, bootstraps. Yes. Determination. Being smarter, being 100 billion times better and smarter than you are, than we are. 20,000 lines of code. 10,000 hours.

More like 5 a.m. thousand hours. He didn't bad mouth them on Twitter. Oh, man. We missed the alternate universe where Nick Mullen is worth $100 billion. because he had to make tweets about IBM and the Holocaust. has a very rich family lineage. Her great-grandfather is, you know, this major banker who founded a significant bank in Seattle

and probably left Bill Gates a $1 million trust fund. So Bill Gates' mother is, you know, like a lawyer but also a socialite where, you know, she's on the board of this United Way charity organization. She does, like, you know, rich people philanthropy. And it's significant because at this time, you know, late 70s, early 80s, the chairman of IBM, a guy named John Opal, is also on the board of United Way. And so at this time, IBM is, you know, they want to get into the PC market.

So they're sniffing around. They need an operating system. So John Opal is speaking to Bill Gates' mother, and he mentions that they need an operating system, and she says, hey, my son has a company that did the basic, not quite operating system, but it has the software. So, of course, it's like, oh, cool. The son of this woman I'm on a board with

has an idea, so I'll send somebody from IBM out there and see if they can get us an operating system. Right. And this is where, I believe,

Mrs. Gates goes downtown with Mr. Opal. Lot of ass play. In fact, mostly ass play. And more importantly, she Forrest Gump fucks the shit out of Opal until he goes,

your son can have the IBM contract. This is the kind of content you can only get on the Patreon, people. That's right. That's right. So much butt licking, they shut down the post office. On the Patreon, we suggest that Bill Gates' mother fucked the chairman of IBM to get him the contract to make the operating system. That's right.

Bill Gates Sr. a cuck, ladies and gentlemen. This is the content you paid for. You know what noise Bill Gates' mother makes when she comes? How's that for Freudian? Bill Gates is like speaking to the audio department. Like, yeah, there was this sound I heard coming from the other bedroom when I was a child. I don't know if you could replicate that. That's the sound. That's the sound.

Immediately starts crying. Right, right, right. But so, yeah, IBM, the chairman, John Opalal speaks to bill gates's mother and it's like oh cool your son has a company that does software that's you know up like an operating system maybe they can uh contract out to make us an operating system for this ibm pc so the actual story is um somebody from ibm goes down to Microsoft and, and they already kind of had their foot in the door. Like they were talking with one of the like planning guys about maybe like

working with Microsoft for this thing. But it, the, the, the guy had even told them like, you know, I'm a planner. Most of the things I do never see the light of day.

And so this was already something that was on the fence and it was kind of Mary Gates kind of maybe open the door a bit more. Oh, she opened that door all right. Oh, that door was wide open when Ms. Gates came through. Also, just right prior to the IBM invitation, they reorganized Microsoft into a privately held corporation with Bill Gates as president and chairman and Paul Allen as the executive VP. That's right. Interesting.

Incorporated in Washington. Right. So when do they move from New Mexico to Washington? Does that come later or is that now? That's already happened. That's already happened. So that happened after like 77, 78? Yeah.

Right. So they moved from New Mexico to Washington, later Redmond, initially Bellevue, I think. At one point, they kicked around the idea of going to Silicon Valley, but Bill was like, nah, dog, fuck Silicon Valley. I see what that does to people. Let's go back home. I think they decided on Redmond when they had a brainstorming session to be like, where can we go that really sucks? That no one will want to be if they work here.

I want to go to a place that looks and feels kind of normal, but there's clearly something smells bad. Let's have zero walkability. And if we take off, everyone can drive expensive cars and just clog up every intersection in this uh ridiculously over capacity whatever i worked for microsoft for like a year and a half as a vendor it sucked ass yeah so i like the idea of living in Silicon Valley, but if we do that, how are we going to be able to run over bald eagles

with our Porsches? Wait, Andy, when you worked for Microsoft and it sucked ass, what were the hours that you had to deal with? Well, I usually came in at about 10 because I was pretty lazy. Did you work 9 to 5?

No, no, I was closer to like 10 to 6. Let's move on, ladies and gentlemen. But so the actual story of Doss is kind of interesting to me as well because it's like he gets this connection from his mom, Mary Gates. Well, there's a connection there, all right. I was going to say the other thing from this book, Overdrive, is like throughout like most of his life, because he lived in Redmond, he would like see his parents once a week, which is nice.

Sure, right. But I was just imagining he like moved to Redmond because he wanted to be able to like be in the room when his mom fucks the IBM chair. He wanted to be able to like be in the room when his mom fucks the ibm chairman he wanted to listen in he was we're saying it behind the patreon we have no no fear of lawsuits bill gates watched his mom fuck the ibm chairman through and recorded his voyeur. They'll never figure out paying us $5 a month will give them access to incriminating content.

Look, Bill Gates can't afford No one's ever going to repeat this outside of the paywall. to pay $5 a month. He can't afford it because he's spending all of his money on this charity that the richest man in the world worth $100 billion is definitely getting rid of all his money right now.

I love having the support of real billionaires. But yeah, so it's interesting where it's like people would, I think if you didn't know the story, you would just assume that Microsoft DOS was written by Bill Gates. And the actual story is no. No, he did not write Microsoft DOS was written by Bill Gates. Right. And the actual story is no. No, he did not write Microsoft DOS. Because Microsoft DOS is, of course,

the operating system for the original IBM PC. And this is how Bill Gates becomes a billionaire because, of course, the major PC or computer company in the United States, IBM, they released the personal computer, their personal computer, 1980. This dominates the market because they have the marketing and other financial firepower to get it to dominate the market. And of course, Bill Gates wrote the operating system for it and was

smart enough in his contracts to be like, no, I'm not letting you see the source code. I'm going to own that. And so this is how he becomes a billionaire. But people would assume that he did this by actually writing the code. And he did not. Even at this early stage in 1981, their revenue had grown like something like 50% a year. It was like, well, average up to like 1985. And they're already at 17 million in revenue with just 129 employees. His mom was fucking the IBM chairman that good. 17 million in revenue with just 129 employees.

His mom was fucking the IBM chairman that good. Every time I hit it, the stock price goes up. It's one of their main products. One of their main products was pimping out Bill Gates' mom. In their 10K, it's like

what would they call that business line? I don't even know. The Combat Zone. There's a hidden API in DOS where you can fuck Bill Gates' mom. Oh, fuck. We're going to get sued for this one. Then it's followed up by a pinball game. Bill Gates sues us, but then he drops the lawsuit because he doesn't want to go through Discovery and admit that people were actually fucking his mom.

We have the documents. Oh, my God. So DOS. But so this is interesting because IBM goes down there, they want to get DOS. And, you know, they say to Bill Gates, hey, can you get us an operating system? And he says, oh, yeah, of course. And I think he actually suggests at one point this guy, Gary Caddell, who's apparently wrote the CP slash M operating system. But like, I don't know if Bill gates did this on purpose or not but for whatever reason the guy was on vacation at the time so you know they like went to him but they couldn't get

in touch with him and then they come back to bill gates so he says yeah of course i can get you this operating system but you know paul allen and bill gates realize we can't write an operating system in time for for it to be ready so they go to this company, what is it, Seattle Computer? Yeah, Seattle Computer, and they buy DOS from Seattle Computer for $50,000. Where that company was and what their products were. So they buy DOS from Seattle Computer in 1980, I believe, for about $50,000. And it's interesting because I mentioned this guy, Gary Caddall, who wrote the CP slash M operating system.

He dies a mysterious death in 1994 when he fell somewhere in Monterey. But it's relevant because before he died, he wrote a memoir. And they quote this in the book Overdrive. He wrote a memoir where he says DOS, which Bill Gates and Paul Allen just bought for $50,000, he says it's a ripoff. He calls it a, quote, clone of his CP slash M operating system. So it's just kind of a funny thing where it's like,

not only did Bill Gates not write the thing, but he bought a thing that was a ripoff to begin with. And from this memoir, I have a bit more of Gary Caddall talking about Bill Gates. He says... Gary Caddall says, quote,

he says, I have grown up in this industry with Gates. He is divisive, he is manipulative, he is a user. He has taken much from me and the industry. And he also says, quote, to those who know the industry, Gates' DOS was a blatant

misappropriation of proprietary materials. So, that is the story of how Bill Gates through hard work and 10,000 hours created the DOS program by dipping into his trust fund and getting $50,000 to buy the... First they think you're crazy, then they fight you,

and then all of a sudden you change the world. They say it takes $50,000 to really make it. The sequel to Malcolm Gladwell's book. But yeah, and so this kind of... this position you know like steve mentioned you know just by virtue of being the operating system on ibm pcs microsoft is all of a sudden a very dominant company yeah and so like at this time um like the ibm pc sales are exploding and they're doing meetings all around the country and apparently in the book paul allen talks about like they would do meetings with different clients when they would travel they wouldn't

be together paul allen and bill gates but uh bill gates would always show up late because he's driving way too fast and didn't give a fuck and paul allen was at the airport and he thought the flight took off and he's like all right whatever and bill gates showed up and he's like fuck that noise and runs to the jetway and like starts looking at the control board just pushing buttons and paul allen is like uh what the fuck we're gonna get arrested and then the air traffic person is like sir please stop pressing buttons we'll bring the plane back for you guys to get on your flight so the ruthlessness of bill gates is that he was able to barge in through an airport run through the jetway and hit to the control board and start just mashing random

buttons to get on his fucking flight and the reason they were so late is because uh or they weren't quite there is because bill gates liked to wait until the last second and then um he liked to speed as fast as he could to get to the airport right right the reason they were so late was because uh bill gates had to drive home the chairman chairman of IBM after he was done fucking his mom. But you're saying he went up into the control tower? No, he went into the tunnel to the plane. At the end, there's a whole bunch of buttons to move it. He did what we all want to do, but we're not billionaires.

He wanted to drive the tunnel. Yes, the tunnel. Yeah, the umbilical thing. Yes, the tunnel. Yeah, the umbilical thing. Correct, yeah. That's amazing to me. I mean, that happens in 84. So it's like before he's like a famous guy. I mean, he's like somewhat rich at this point.

I mean, actually at this time, because of the PC sales with IBM, the media did start to notice Bill Gates as the Microsoft player, and they started using him as the face for the company. So like he's not necessarily a celebrity, but the media knows about Bill Gates. Did this person at the airport? I got no fucking idea. This genius nerd thought of using $50,000

to buy an operating system. At this point, and that thing with the jetway, it's really the same thing as donald trump and the truck like pulling the horn yeah it's just a thing where the rich guy's like i want to do a manual labor thing with a big with a big machine that looks fun i think he just didn't even respect anyone where he's just like oh yeah no that's that as well and he probably ran into the plane or some shit yeah i'm just imagining like being on a plane and already being late to like make your connection at the next airport.

And then it starts like taxiing back. And then this fucking bowl cut nerd gets on. Take him into the airplane toilet and dump him in there. Give him a swirly. Yeah. So apparently when the first IBM computer came out and it came out with DOS, one of the things that they included on it was a game called Donkey, where you're in a car driving up a street. There is just two lanes and you switch between them and donkeys come towards

your car and you have to dodge and donkeys come towards your car and you have to dodge them and if you hit a donkey it'll make like a squealing noise and you lose and they're the points are like donkey versus car and apparently it was horribly coded with like brute force coding and eventually when this computer came out um apple like you know burst it open to take a look at it. It had way more parts than the Apple computers did at the time, which isn't like an endorsement. And then they started playing Donkey. And when they found out that Bill Gates was the one who coded that game, they all just burst out laughing.

And that was, I think, the second to last time he ever coded anything. Yeah. Well, even today he says he codes a little bit. I don't buy that, really. Yeah, I mean, what's he going to do? I don't know. So we're up to about 1983. And this is where Paul Allen finds out that he's got Hodgkin's lymphoma

and is still working at Microsoft. But according to Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, not working hard enough. Oh, yeah. We forgot to mention on the previous episode, but Bill Gates meets Steve Ballmer at Harvard University. That's right. So Steve Ballmer joins the company as well. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Steve Ballmer introduced Gates into a finishing club,

which if you remember the Mark Zuckerberg episode, is something that he never got. What club? It's like an upperclassman elite club where you... Where they all finish on each other? Yeah, you jerk off on each other and butt chug and eventually you run the world. You know, one of those things at Harvard.

Where do I sign? And so, so Balmer's connection. The finishing on a biscuit club. Yeah. What was it like? Gates had to like strip down to his underwear at MIT and explain a code thing or something. It was one of the initiation rituals. At MIT?

Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, it was like a rival yeah oh at mit i get it i get it yeah he goes to harvard and then mit is the right yeah and so you know all kinds of dumb shit like that but that was kind of how um balmer and gates got into each other's orbit so i guess balmer was basically like gates drinking buddy yeah essentially balmer's main claim to fame is that he can keep up with bill gates's uh tenacity to argue and just kind of be a dick like and paul allen sensed this in this book

paul allen's like the first time i met steve bomber i thought he looked like an undercover agent for the mkvd so it's like bomber just reeks of fucking creep douche and at the time when paul allen is diagnosed with hodg's lymphoma, he's still working but not hard enough. And he overhears Steve and, Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates

discussing liquidating his, Paul Allen's shares and essentially kicking them out. Which is something happened to Vern, which was another

employee of Microsoft that was higher up. Oh, Vern Fonk? Yes, Vern Fonk. Honk when you pass by Vern Fonk. For our Pacific Northwest listeners, you're welcome um but basically verne left and jumped to lotus in apparent violation of his employment agreement so they bought all his shares for three dollars a share

and paul was like fuck that noise i want ten dollars share and bill gates was like no way but had bill gates said yes to that he would probably worth maybe like 200 billion right now like the amount of money that uh bill gates uh lost in this that basically paul allen's net worth outside of the money he spent on uh the team sports teams and and various ships and building whatever everything paul allen, Bill Gates could have had that money. So at this time, though... Military museum. Yes, precisely. So in February 18, 1983, Paul Allen's resignation became official.

And at this point, Paul Allen goes from being Bill's right-hand man to, I don't know how long I'm going to live, so I might as well just spend money on cool shit. And the rest of this book is literally him just being like, and then I did this cool thing, and then after that, I did this cool thing. The Experience Music Project was literally caused by cancer. I think we can all agree Paul Allen, to a certain degree, is just a rich hoarder. And the EMP was just where he stored all of his shit. I'm just imagining that pitch for some stop cancer research.

Because of cancer, Seattle has the Experience Music Project. This isn't how the Make-A-Wish Foundation is supposed to work. For just $10, you can put a stop to this tragedy. You can keep this from happening in your city's world fairgrounds wasn't he he's kind of like wozniak isn't he like a hippie sort of like quasi progressive in the book i'm reading they keep on saying he's a rock fan like there's a picture of him and um bill gates sitting at a computer and they're like jimmy hendrix fan paul allen right and he just has long hair in the picture. Yeah, I mean, the thing is that, like, you know. The EMP, it's understandable.

Yeah. It's design. Like, you know, Paul Allen is 29 when he gets Hodgkin's lymphoma. So he's around the age that some of us are in this room. So if you learn that you could die in any moment because of this disease at this age, and you had access to millions upon millions of dollars. You just wouldn't give a fuck, really. There's stories of Paul Allen when he was doing construction on one of his houses. The neighbors got mad because it was too loud, and they're like, hey, could you cut down the noise?

And he's like, hmm, nah, I'm just going to buy your house. And just bought their house and gave it to his sister. So Paul Allen don't give a fuck. nah, I'm just going to buy your house. And just bought their house and gave it to his sister. So, Paul Allen don't give a fuck. Sorry, Paul Allen didn't give a fuck. Rest in peace. I do like how his response to his neighbors being annoyed

was to annoy his sister. Yeah, exactly. Well, so yeah, where we're going from here, and again, I don't have this research as much, so it's kind of on you and Yogi Andy. But essentially, they have this operating system dominance, and then they move into applications. Excel, you know, Lotus has this 1-2-3 program. I talk about this for a little bit.

Yeah, so let's go into this, because Yogi's got personal... We should set it up. He's doing it right now. Okay. All right, sorry. So Yogi's got personal experience with Excel because your dad made it. Yes, he was on the team that was original in...

Don't be modest. Your dad invented Excel. He didn't invent Excel, but he was on a team that made... Your dad built the prison that office workers used to exist. He built the cage, ladies and gentlemen. If you're listening to this at your office

job right now, and one of your tabs open is Microsoft Excel, and you're thinking, man, this is such a waste of the gift of human life to just run these average and sum functions day in, day out. And it really doesn't make any goddamn difference. And I'm paid a small, infinitesimally small percentage of the money I make for other people through this tedious monkey work.

Which you get to see how much money goes through your company and doesn't go to you through the figures on the spreadsheet that you're crunching right now. When you're looking at those P&L statements showing what's a small percentage of revenue is actually cut off and given to you, and while you're fantasizing about the fact that you could be traveling the world at this moment, that you only get 70- some years and you're going to spend the majority of them dealing with this program you can thank one of our co-hosts that's right yogi pali so yeah because because of your suffering we've got a when we record this we have a nice view of the brooklyn and manhattan skylines yeah i mean i don't see what's wrong with this guys i think that i think that nothing wrong has happened, and I think, honestly, I'll shut this podcast down

if you talk any more shit. Because of our privileges of birth, we get access to dirt like Bill Gates has dandruff. That's pretty big dirt, John. Something no one could have guessed about him. You Google Bill Gates dandruff, you won't find anything. Your computer shuts down immediately. How many new patrons did we lose? As soon as you were like, here's the dirt, he had Dandruff, you won't find anything. Your computer shuts down immediately. How many new patrons did we lose as soon as you were like, here's the dirt.

He had Dandruff. The truth about Bill Gates. Everyone's like, that's the only thing I knew about him. What's this about Microsoft? I thought he was just the Dandruff guy. I mean, he is to our Patreon listeners now. So at the time, most accountants used Lotus 1-2-3 and the keystrokes of Lotus 1-2-3 were adopted by the community that was using their software.

Oh, I got it put in Lotus 1-2-3 based on VisiCalc. Oh, really? Which was invented by, what's his name? Patterson? Tim Patterson. Yeah. So there you go. Tim Patterson. He made it. Patterson. Yeah. So there you go. Tim Patterson. He made it. Got it, yeah. So basically, one of the things my dad did was he created the code to make the keystrokes of Lotus 1-2-3 work with Excel.

And when they were going to ship Office, the lawyers at Microsoft were like, hey, let's ship it with a little card so people can get access to Excel, but then if Lotus sues us, we'll know how many people have Excel. And Bill Gates was like, fuck that noise. And he asked my dad, hey, did you clone this or did you create it from scratch? And my dad's like, I created the keystrokes by scratch. And they're like, all right, great. So reverse engineered.

Yes, precisely. And so Bill Gates was like, great, we're going to ship it with Excel and we're going to start doing research on a counter-lawsuit on Lotus because they've stolen some shit from us too. So that is one of the instrumental things that happened during my dad's time at Microsoft. And then he added, and then in 2012, we're going to still sell the exact same product for about $300 a license. Yeah, all we're going to do is add tabbed browsing.

And we're going to increase the price by 20%. At that point, my dad had left the company. So I don't know what's going on there anymore. No, I'm kidding. But he did leave at that point. I like the idea of Bill Gates talking to Yogi's dad and then ending the conversation by being like, Okay, great. So I got to go drive the IBM chairman to fuck my mom now.

But yeah. The weirdest part is she was long dead. Oh my God. She did die the same year. Yeah, because they got married. Yeah. But we're not in the 90s yet. Not the IBM.

You'll know when we're in the 90s. But this is an important point here because it is the 80s that Microsoft makes the transition from, because of their IBM contract, they have a dominant position in the operating system because they are doing the operating system for the most prominent and ubiquitous personal computer, the IBM PC. But Bill Gates, you know, essentially they're smart enough to start doing illegal monopoly tactics and realizing that the government culture has changed enough

that they will not be seriously reprimanded for doing so because they have this operating system and they realize we could make a bunch of money if we have applications as well. Instead of, we mentioned Lotus doing this kind of Excel-style spreadsheet, if we do a spreadsheet, we could get that money. And there's another software called WordPerfect at the time.

And if we do Microsoft Word, we could get that money. And because we have the operating system... We'll make Word good enough. Yes. Because they have the operating system, they can, one, sell this shit heavily subsidized because they can, like, you know, lose money or just break even on their other products.

But, you know, say another company like Lotus, they don't have this operating system revenue, so they have to charge a higher price. Yeah. So they, you know, on that side, they can undercut their competitors on price. But also like there's a lot of discussion about essentially ways that they kind of favor their applications over their competitors. Well, it begins the embrace, extend, extinguish strategy that we mentioned in the first episode. They looked at the applications that existed, adopted them into their OS and Office suite, and then extinguished the competition.

Right. And so I don't understand this too well, but I'll just read you a Wikipedia definition of APIs because Microsoft has been accused of hiding APIs in their operating system. So Wikipedia says an API is an application programming interface. It's a set of subroutine definitions, communication protocols, and tools for building softwares. In general terms, it is a set of clearly defined methods of communication among various components. And the idea here is that they'll have these hidden APIs and, you know, DOS and Windows and these other operating systems that the Excel programmers and the Microsoft Word programmers, they know about, but the WordPerfect and the Lotus programmers, they don't know about. So essentially,

Microsoft admitted there were like 16 APIs that were hidden that Excel and Word uses. I think this is for Windows 3.0, but essentially the idea here is that Steve Ballmer at one point gives an interview and he talks about how there's like a quote, firewall between the

operating system and the application side. And Bill Gates says later like no that's ridiculous there was never any firewall so the idea is that because they have this dominant operating system they have an advantage on the application side and throughout the 80s and 90s they're really just exterminating all the other application softwares right and that's also why they're so protective of their source code, because if you know the source code of Microsoft operating systems, you can kind of figure out what APIs you don't have access to. Right. Yeah, I mean, essentially, they are using the loopholes. They're finding loopholes to create new things for their company but then making sure to cover their tracks when they release it yeah so we're now in the 90s

the 90s you say oh yes the decade of the most entertaining the most peak of capitalism if you will. Friends, Wu-Tang. All right, come on now. SoundCloud can't take this down. We're on Patreon, bitch. Yeah, that's a good idea. Instead of fucking with our free audio provider, let's fuck with our paid audio provider.

You know, the one giving us money for making this podcast. Fine. What's the worst that can happen? Courtney Love kills us? No, David Geffen. Essentially, by the end of the 80s, Bill Gates is Microsoft IPO is 1986. Bill Gates is

a billionaire by the early 90s. We mentioned they're going into the application side. And they start a lot of, let's say, anti-competitive business practices in the 80s continuing into the 90s. Like one example the book Overdrive gives, in 1987 there was a Pascal compiler.

It was like a programming language, Pascal. There was a compiler. Pascal. Pascal. There was this Turbo Pascal compiler. It was like a programming language, Pascal. There was a compiler. Pascal. Pascal. There was this Turbo Pascal compiler announced in 1987. Microsoft, another anti-competitive strategy they have is called Vaporware

where this compiler comes out and Microsoft immediately announces we're going to release a better one next year. And then it comes out like two or three years later or whatever the case may be. But the idea is essentially- Well, that was like their Windows 3.1

or one of the Windows versions apparently was considered the original Vaporware because they kept on taking like years to release it after announcing it. Right. And the idea with Vaporware is essentially like if everybody's on the Windows operating system, they're going to be hesitant to switch over to the competition if microsoft is like hey in three months we're

gonna have a better product out that works better with our software or whatever the case might be or you know in three months we're gonna have a cheaper or better product and then they just kind of like keep people from moving away from their proprietary software through lying. But so, you know, 86 is the idea. And here's the truth. Windows isn't better. Now, let me tell you about this webcomic called User Friendly. But so they're pursuing these kind of various anti-competitive practices

throughout the 80s. And by the end of the 80s, you know, IBM even realizes, you know, we created a monster here because, you know, Bill Gates has set up a very dominant position through his dominance of operating systems. This is definitely the worst thing we, IBM, have ever done. And it should be noted, another thing that happens through this time and continues until, you know, uh sues microsoft in 1998

is they set up these deals with uh what are called oems original equipment manufacturers and basically these deals are kind of anti-competitive because microsoft uses its share in the marketplace to essentially say that anybody who actually manufactures PCs has to pay Microsoft a license fee based on the number of computers they sell, regardless of whether a Windows license is included on them. So this is anti-competitive because essentially all these OEMs, and because Microsoft is the dominant operating system, they have to kind of go along with it. All these OEMs are paying Microsoft for their PC operating system, whether or not they put Microsoft on the thing. So it's like, if you want to put a competing operating

system on it, well, you're already paying for Windows. So why would you do that? You know? And so Microsoft is very much able to use their position in the marketplace to strangle all competing operating systems in the cradle, as it were. And so this kind of takes you through the 80s. By the end of the 80s, Bill Gates and Microsoft major stories are the government tries but not really to actually enforce the sherman antitrust act which is of course more than 100 years old and microsoft is at this point completely out of date at this point in blatant violation of it because there are provisions about restraint of trade he even said like an interview or like in some interview he's like yeah you know i think it'd be a good idea to just like get a monopoly and like later he like

that would be shown in like as evidence and it's like oh shit oh and apparently this is this is one thing before we skip too far ahead um once he once microsoft started taking off um bill gates started to do like an interview circuit yeah and on one interview show uh he was asked so when did you know that you first became a millionaire and he said well you know because microsoft stock is mostly employee owned you know it was hard to tell yeah and apparently like microsoft employees who were watching that just burst out laughing. Because Microsoft is a socialist workers' cooperative, I actually think of myself as only the first employee among equals,

not actually a man worth $100 billion. You know, if any employees want, they can just have my money. None of them have ever asked me um but so yeah you know and so the the two big stories of the 90s uh with regards to microsoft are this antitrust thing which which i'll talk about a bit but outlook yes the internet um no outlook well what's the story with outlook uh you know how how you can check emails in a web browser? Outlook's a program you can do that in. When does Outlook launch?

I don't know. I don't think it has yet. It's still booting up. Also in the 90s, he gets married in 94. He's been dating Melinda since 87. She was 21 and he was like 32 then. And they got three kids, Catherine, Lindsay, and Rory, I think. Catherine races horses against Steve Jobs' daughter, Eve.

So, you know, fucking rich kids love riding horses. If you want to fuck a rich person, find someplace where they ride horses. Yeah, you want to meet a billionaire's daughter, just go to a stable nearby. Apparently, that's all they do is like the women become horse girls. And I guess the guys just become like frat douches. Yeah, or they run the company and run into the ground. Either or. Yeah.

You know what? It says that Microsoft Mail and later WinMail launched in 1990 with Microsoft 3.0. Windows 3.0. I'm tired of tilting at WinMail software. www.whatthefuck.com Oh, and also the Russian version

of MS-DOS 4 went to the Soviet market. I do like how we're entering the 90s with Andy on the ones and twos. That's like a fucking breakdancer DJ. W-W-W-What the fuck do I do? This is what you pay for, ladies and gentlemen. Get my ass!

But so, you know, by 92, the book Hard Drive is written, and that's really, it's actually later cited in an antitrust case against Bill Gates because it goes through, you know, by 92, the book Hard Drive is written, and that's really, it's actually later cited in an antitrust case against Bill Gates because it goes through, you know, some of these anti-competitive practices we mentioned. But by 1992, you know, Microsoft has really overtaken IBM. They are the dominant player in the computer industry. And, you know, we'll kind of get into a little bit more. We have mentioned about how they worked their employees to the bone you

know like yogi when you were growing up was your dad gone for long periods of time yes and like i'm not like listen i i have a very comfortable life so no part of me is like man my dad worked a lot but yeah growing up there was a whole heaps of time where uh i didn't uh i didn't see my dad except for late at night and then early in the morning. And that's how you get a podcast co-host. You get ball games where you looked into the stands and you realized, well, it's fine because he's making Excel. No, I wasn't able to play in ball games. I wasn't fast enough as a runner. Oh, that doesn't matter in baseball.

Well, it did when I showed up. Okay. Yogi has a heart to heart with his dad where his dad's like i'm sorry son but i had to fuck bill gates's mom to support our family you know it's very interesting because like as a oh my god andy these dials are so fucking annoying um but like as a kid like uh the interesting thing was like you know the company your parents work for doesn't seem like the monolith that Microsoft becomes and is. And so when I was growing up, like, Microsoft was just fucking loaded. My mom worked for this small company that turned out to be the Washington State government.

I mean, like, you know. Bill Gates owns that, too. Well, Bezos has a share. You know, growing up, Microsoft was... Well, the interesting thing was that they would put on company picnics that would be balling out. They would do Halloween parties where you would show up at a Microsoft building and then trick-or-treat at each office. So even the kids are getting the spoils of microsoft's uh riches at that point and like i think the most intriguing thing is that the school i went to eat in school uh fuck them forever uh all of us were kids of parents who worked for microsoft that were brought in

from around the world and so essentially the school is like we have to deal with these kids that are like their parents don't really know like what the american school situation should be but they're willing to give us an ass load of money for education because of proximity because it was just the closest school next to the microsoft campus so it just was convenient and so um the education we received was very odd if that makes any sense it was very like you kids can do whatever you want in the world because your parents are who they are. But also, you kids are super cool. I mean, it was

it wasn't like liberally hands off and like they just gave us good grades. It was difficult and ruthless at times, but to our parents, they're like, we don't know what the fuck these kids are doing, basically. I just like knowing that Yogi went to a private school called Eaton, named after the English private boarding school.

Where David Cameron had sex with a pig. I guess he did that at Oxford or Cambridge or whatever. Nah, they're all related. There was a Black Mirror about that. That's right, yeah. Yeah, they predicted the future with that. If you send your children to a private boarding school they too can start a podcast um but i guess to to close out this part and then uh we'll continue on the uh the final part with uh the uh the department of justice anti-trust actions against microsoft bill gates

missing the internet and then maybe a little bit about just like what he's been doing since he left microsoft in 2006 right um but to close out this part, Yogi mentioned he got married, and it is just kind of an interesting story, how he actually meets his wife. He marries Melinda French. She was walking to the university library, and she dropped all of her books and bumped into a gangly pile of dandruff. Who immediately said,

that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. But so Melinda French... And this was before people knew that negging was just a cheap tactic. But so we'll wrap it up this week by just talking about Bill Gates getting married because it is an interesting story. So Melinda French, she gets an MBA.

She joins Microsoft as a manager in 1987. By 1988, she's dating Bill Gates, but she stays at the company until they get married. So it is just kind of a funny thing in this book, Overdrive by James Wallace. Like other employees talk about like, yeah, you know, we never really felt like, or I guess her friends talk about, there was know we never really felt like or i guess her

friends talk about you know there was never any favoritism towards melinda gates but it's like other employees are like yeah we we just kind of didn't talk shit about bill gates to her melinda french learned from bill gates's mom how to move ahead in this world but so uh the the interesting thing that i wanted to mention here from this book overdrive uh bill gates uh is it is it considered not favoritism because bill gates had that bad dick bill gates had a bit of a uh let's say poly lifestyle and uh from uh the book overdrive i'm just gonna quote here uh though gates began dating melinda french in 1988 he continued to play the field for a while especially when he was out of town on business when he would

frequently hit on female journalists who covered microsoft and the company industry his womanizing was well known although not well reported because gates and microsoft spoon-fed stories to industry writers for papers such as the new york times and none of them wanted the flow of information to stop. They also didn't report on the wild bachelor parties that Microsoft's boyish chairman would throw in his Seattle home, for which Gates would visit one of Seattle's all-nude night clubs and hire dancers to come to his home and swim naked with his friends in his indoor pool. How long of a shower would you take after you go if if you're a journalist

and you have to interview this fucking nerd and he starts hitting on you and you can't just like leave because your company is it needs him to fucking spoon feed all this info to them and so you have to sit there while this nerd hits on you and you're trying to just get your article out there handy do you have the sound effect of the reaction of a female journalist when bill gates hits on them that was the other one there you go uh but so oh yes and then just kind of continuing. I got the loot, Steve! He said as he left Rick's Strip Club in Seattle. Yeah, people don't realize that Seattle during this period was a much more sleazier place.

Right, actually though, Yogi's right. The fucking major strip club there, I think it was Rick's, was mafia owned. No, there's... They made it up to Seattle? What? They made it up to Seattle? Oh yeah.

Yeah, there was like, I mean, they lost it eventually. seattle what they made it up to seattle yeah there was like uh i mean they they lost it eventually i don't know exactly the story starbucks giuliani yeah but there there was a mafia-owned strip club or rick i think it was it was either ricks or deja vu was no it's not that hard for a time if you look at seattle's history it's literally riddled with prostitution, strip clubs, and like just, listen. Yeah, like Bill Gates' mom. I mean like Seattle was a place where it was a mix of all of Hollywood's dirt mixed with like labor practices shit from all the beaver and log cutting industry all wrapped up into like a Las Vegas-like situation. The original Skid Row was Yesler Way because they would skid the logs down it.

Oh, I didn't know that. But according to the book, French was well aware of Gates' womanizing and consequently their relationship ran hot and cold. But finally in 1994, he settled down and marries her, which is partly because his mother had, I believe, cancer. Breast cancer. And his mother was encouraging him to settle down. And so he does.

He marries Melinda French. But weirdly enough, one of Bill Gates' exes was a woman who worked for a venture capitalist firm and they were like close, but Gates and her broke up because he didn't want to have kids. But they like stayed close and like I believe to this day, he still like will spend like a week a year with her.

Yeah, he will. Which is, I mean, I don't know if they're actually doing anything, but you know, I respect the level of commitment to that all-powerful dollar that Melinda French puts up with her husband just chilling with his ex for a week out of a year. I've heard some reports that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation started because she

found out about his womanizing ways after marriage and she went, listen, you can stay with me or you can get a divorce and lose a lot of money. So how about you just fund a whole bunch of charities? Is that true? No. we're just asking questions i was gonna say that bill gates like earlier in the episode i was gonna say that bill gates is now the richest man in the world again because he knows how to keep i think i did say that he knows how to keep his dick in his pants but turns out no he he just this this was andy believing the propaganda that bill gates dick stays in his pants uh-huh that man slangs that dick oh there must have been a prenup yeah but so bill gates marries uh now melinda gates in 1994 they get married interestingly

enough on our larry ellison episode we mentioned lanai island at this point it was owned by a um another billionaire which you know future episode about because lanai island at this point it was owned by a um another billionaire which you know future episode about because lanai you know 99 privately owned hawaiian island so it's fascinating because it's mostly privately owned so uh bill gates makes clear that any reporters who show up on the private island are trespassing on private property and will be arrested and one reporter is actually arrested and thrown in the jail overnight and later sues Bill Gates, and it's settled. But essentially they're, like, you know,

arresting reporters to keep them away from the wedding. Did you get any numbers on the settlement? I don't know, no, unfortunately. It's probably out of court. Is it more than a plane ticket to Hawaii? I would hope so. It was a Bill Gates salary. Plus legal fees.

One dollar. But one other interesting insight into Bill Gates' character from this book, Overdrive. Apparently, Bill Gates had Steve Ballmer approach his wife, Melinda, about the prenuptial. What? Which, like, man, that's your hatchet, man. Having those conversations you don't want to have with your wife. That's the difference between Bezos and Gates. I think Bezos got married before he got super rich.

Yes. So there wasn't the prenup. No. But Gates. But Bezos also doesn't have a hatchet man like Bomber who can fucking accept the the fucking the pride swallowing

tactics of cleaning up Gates' dirt left and right well and so that brings us to Gates' marriage and we'll wrap this one up here we'll do one more part which we'll just kind of go through the antitrust the Department of Justice goes against Microsoft with Microsoft missing the

internet and then maybe we'll just talk a little bit about what Bill Gates has been doing today and some of the labor and other practices of the company. Practices such as doing facial recognition technology for the Chinese government so that they can spy on Uyghur Muslims and put them in camps. Technology such as multi-million dollar contracts with ICE to deport people. You know, multi-billion dollar contracts with the Pentagon. Technology is amazing. But so that'll be on the part three, which will be a final part of our Bill Gates episode. But hey, thanks for listening.

And with that, I'm Yogi Pollywall. I'm Andy Palmer. Steve Jeffries. I'm Sean McCarthy. Give us five stars on iTunes. Thanks. This is amazing. But not just amazing.

It's historic. It should be taught in all the history books. I mean, hung and framed in the National Gallery or something. Because this is the instant of creation of one of the greatest fortunes in the history of the world. I mean, Bill Gates is the richest guy in the world because of what started in this room. You want to know what else? It wasn't exactly smoke and mirrors, but we didn't have anything i mean not a damn thing here we were this two-bit little outfit telling ibm we had the answer to their problems the dos the disk operating system to make all those zillion ibm computers compute we didn't remotely own anything like what Bill was selling. Nada. Zip.

My name is Bill Gates. I'm chairman of Microsoft. And during 1984, Microsoft expects to get half of its revenues from Macintosh SoftBuds. Wow. Thank you.