Grubstakers - Patreon Leak: Episode 85: Tom Steyer

Episode Date: January 15, 2020

Published Jul 25, 2019 The premium episode is all about the Koch brother for the left Tom Steyer. The man who became rich from poisoning the planet to now considering being against earth poison because he wants a vanity project because he's jealous of his older brothers. Younger brothers never change. This episode lacks the presence of Steven because the man wouldn't let a foot soldier of the 9-5 get off time when he was supposed too.

First they think you're crazy, then they fight you, and then all of a sudden you change the world. Berlusconi flatly denies that any mafia money helped him begin a start in the dynasty. I have always had a thing for black people. I like black people. I'm telling you, these stories are funnier than the jokes you can tell. I said, what the fuck is a brain scientist? I was like, that's not a real job. Tell me the truth. But anyway. In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. having Matt Chrisman and Nick Mullen on every episode in the future, excluding this one.

So keep, keep paying us. They're going to be off mic and also not in the same room. So yeah, that, that episode where we got the two funniest people in podcast together, that's a pretty consistent barometer for the kind of quality you can expect from here on out. Yeah,

I think so. Yeah. But, but thank you for joining us. We're talking this week about Tom Steyer is, uh, of course the newest presidential candidate. And Tom Steyer is worth about $1.6 billion. Well, maybe we'll just start by letting the man introduce himself, because he did just cut a video running for president. And he does give a little biography there. So maybe we should give him a fair hearing and let him share why he thinks he should be the president of the United States. Right. From the donkey's mouth. Yes. I was born in 1957. I grew up right in the middle of the civil rights revolution and the Vietnam War. The underlying injustice in America was coming under attack. My father graduated from Yale Law

School at 21, started being a lawyer, then he went into the Navy because of Pearl Harbor, and then at the end of the war, they sent him over to be assistant to the chief prosecutor at Nuremberg. I think my father looked at being in the service or being at Nuremberg as like, you have your duty, you do it.

My parents were very uncompromising about doing the right thing. Steyer and his wife, worth an estimated billion and a half dollars, have pledged to give half of their... I'm surprised because I thought the guy who played Funkhauser in Curb Your Enthusiasm had died. But it's nice to know he's still kicking. I like how his main lessons from his father's role as a prosecutor in Nuremberg

was you can make a lot of money investing in camps. Tom Steyer invested in a private prison. First, we'll start with his hits. Before running for president, he was probably most well known for running a series of ads. He spent, what was it, $40 million on a series of ads calling for Trump to be impeached. And after that roaring success He decided you know what I'm gonna run for president. Well cuz Trump's impeached now, so yeah, yeah He succeeded in that goal and now he's moving out the seat. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, you know That's what you do. If you're a hedge fund billionaire you get a real return on investment for 40 billion dollars He also funded something like a million different seats for

Congress in 2014 and had a 40 success rate that passing grade 40 yeah well the other thing is like he's a major obama funder who just happened to get a lot of private access to the white house a lot of private meetings rama manual everyone else uh john podesta who was of course, head of Obama's transition. And he just happened to be a major investor in coal companies during that time. So and a pipeline that competed with Keystone XL. So it's like, you know, there's no way of unless you have subpoena power proving that there was wrongdoing there. But it is something where he rails about. And, you know, a lot of the things he's saying in his campaign are like well yeah that's a perfectly sensible thing but it's like well yeah

you got rich doing that right that's that's what a billionaire does is they leverage their government connections and make the world a worse place for their own profit it's the pigs in uh animal farm saying that no one should sleep in beds but i get to do it every night but instead of pigs in Animal Farm saying that no one should sleep in beds, but I get to do it every night. But instead of pigs in beds, it's I'm going to destroy the earth. And then a few years later, I'm going to pretend like I love the earth. But so, oh yeah. So according to the LA Times, in 2005, Tom Steyer invested in $34 million in Corrections Corp of America, which runs migrant detention centers on the US.S.-Mexico border for ICE. But first, let's...

Wait, wait. Before we get too deep into this, let's take a look back at the early days of Tom Steyer. Where'd he come from? Yogi? He was born in 1957, like we just heard,

in Manhattan. You know, that place that... Never been. You're right. His dad, as we just heard, was a lawyer, and he was a prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials.

His dad was the guy who planted all that evidence on those Nazis. His mom was a teacher of remedial reading. You know what I saw? Look, if you go on the internet, you can read about how the American prosecutors lied about statistics and made up a bunch of fake memos and tortured confessions. Same thing going on at ICE. That's where you learn it from.

Exactly. That's how he learned it from. Exactly. That's how he learned his injustice was his father's role in the prosecutorial abuse of the century called the Einsatzgruppentrial where they hanged those innocent men, half of whom had PhDs. Nobody with a PhD would just go into Russia

and start lining up people in mass graves. What? Why would you ever do that? Yeah. Except if you wanted to make money off of it. I was thinking, I don't know if this would be funny to anybody, but so Dasha from the Red Scare podcast, her family's from Belarus,

and a bunch of them were killed from the Einsatzgruppen. And I was thinking it'd be good if the Einsatzgruppen was like, yeah, we're just doing this to protect marginalized communities from slurs. But do it in a Belarus accent. Like, oh my god, if we don't kill her entire family, there

will be so many people who hear ableist slurs on a regular basis and you know what? As social justice warriors, which is of course what the the ss stands for of course super social justice warriors i'm pretty sure it's super saiyan why does reddit say i'm the worst one i fucking told andy not to read this thread at least until after we record because it's like you know it's not like

hey it's gonna hurt your feelings it's like hey wait until it's of uh maximal utility for you to read that no but lots of people like you andy there's just one comment that happens to have five upvotes that says you suck so there are six people who don't know actually it starts with one upvote by default so there are are five. It has two so far. He's got a whole analysis about like the structure and the dynamics of the podcast. And he's like, but, you know, you know, Sean brings this. Yogi brings this. Stephen brings this.

But Andy just brings the drops and the bad jokes. I haven't read this yet. I didn't realize it was a whole expose on our show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think it's a guy who really knows how to podcast. Well, Andy, in fairness, you said it has two upvotes, but one of those was me.

You know, on our Carlisle group episode, it mentions like Connor Arple on it and it has like one comment and it's just someone saying, this is ableist. You're going to love my Dasha Einsatz group joke. Keep the Reddit comments coming, ladies and gentlemen.

It's only killing us slowly. No, it's just something where it's like you read one bad comment off. I don't know, Sean. I don't think you're reading any bad comments. No, I did. They love you. You're their favorite on the Reddit. Well, that's nice.

They love you and your rat face and voice. Wait, I thought I recognized that comment from Reddit Has Yogi been talking shit about me on Reddit? Yeah, that was Yogi No, but it's something where, of course, I guess we should maybe mention this for a minute We did the episode with Matt Chrisman and Nick Mullen We're very grateful that they did it And just like as fans of both of them, I was very thrilled

to just like have them in the room together and stay out of the way as much as possible. But it was something... And as a fan, I wanted to get in the way as much as possible. But, oh yeah. So essentially like I will go when I'm on my lunch break on like the

Comptown Reddit and it is almost a perverse thrill where it's like you'll see them talking shit about comedians you know and you know there's like a dark part of yourself that's like oh this is interesting but of course you know when we did the Crispin uh Mullen episode I had to be like I'm not gonna look at the Comptown Reddit I'm not gonna look at Red Scare because the reality is comedy is totally subjective you know there's uh there's people that like us and there are people who will never think that we're funny or understand us. And, you know, that's fine. That's just the way it is.

You're going to drive yourself insane if you ever try to get 100% laughs. You know, the best you can hope for is 90, 95% of people think you're funny. Andy? See, drops would have been perfect right now. Fucking Sean's killed fucking drop on this show. No, I didn't do shit. And I'm the lone voice yelling about drops. This is the new drop.

Well, it could be worse, Sean. It could just be me doing i didn't schoolboy q saying um uh no man that's some white shit i like that one no i didn't kill that's the other thing we should wait andy stop we should mention that that you people on reddit were so mean to andy that he unplugged his drops keyboard no it's plugged in it's just on uh alien lead yeah he brought he brought his drops People on Reddit were so mean to Andy that he unplugged his Drops keyboard. No, it's plugged in. It's just on Alienly. Yeah, he brought his Drops keyboard.

Only Drop Now is the damn it riff. He brought his Drops keyboard, and he was asking me about the Reddit reviews when we were walking in, and I was like, yeah, they were mostly positive, but there was like one. You brought up the Reddit reviews. No, I thought you did. I wasn't trying. I said there was one negative one and i but i tried to avoid them and then you asked and i was like well yeah they the guy didn't like you but don't look at it until after we record and then you know and now this person this this arsonist on Reddit has deprived us of Eve Pizer saying,

I'm a socialist. It's ruined the dynamic of the show, if you ask me. I don't even know what the grub stakers are if we don't have Socket to Me every 15 seconds. Now all we have is Blink-182 in MIDI form. Not only did you take the regular drops away, you made them worse. This is just chopsticks. This is terrible.

This isn't chopsticks. No, I'm saying... It's at least got a cool... Alright. Alright, nobody wants to listen to this, Andy. Please stop. Yeah, we gotta dump like a bunch of this shit. I'm so happy this is the last episode I have to edit for a little while. Very happy about this.

So going back to the bio of Tom Steyer, avoiding our rants on who doesn't hate what from Reddit, i.e. drops. Tom Steyer was born in Manhattan in 1957. His dad was a lawyer, like we mentioned, and his mom was a remedial reading teacher at Brooklyn House of Detention. Do you guys know what remedial reading is? Yeah, when you can't read. I like how his

dad was a lawyer who prosecuted his contemporary equivalent of Reddit commenters. Also known as war criminals. Remedial reading actually is not just special education teaching. It's literally, if you're a kid and you don't you've got a couple holes in your education remedial reading can take care of that so it's like uh not tutoring not special ed teaching but

somewhere in the middle of that essentially so she taught like polish people italians uh she taught polish people italians yeah Polish people and Italians and others who just don't understand the Irish I thought you meant she taught Polish people Italian like the language and I was like I don't know what the fuck Sean's saying right now you think R. Kelly's gonna come out of prison knowing how to read

no the rehabilitation center's not that good so she we should just mention though Tom Steyer grows up in like absolute affluence yeah no he grows up grows up in i think the upper west side um well yeah you're right just taking nazis pay well they got to take all the gold so yeah oh yeah yeah you know i will say we did get a handful of the show's anti-semitic and uh they said that we only we mostly reviewed

jewish billionaires and that during sean's comment on patreon the patreon post and read it he asked about this but the host didn't get back so which is it grub stickers host reading this and i just looked at that thread and thought oh man i never thought being anti-semitic would shut us down before sexism and racism but here we are ladies and gentlemen. I did listen to some of the old episodes, and I had a very thin veneer of irony over my contempt for the Jewish people. You had? Well, no, I feel

like I've toned it down a bit, where it's like before I was doing ironic anti-Semitism, whereas now I'm just doing actual obsession with the Nazis from a sheer perspective of admiration all I know is we lost the drops and we lost the ass

eating conversation and I'm willing to let one go but not the other and Tom Steyer does not eat the butt ladies and gentlemen let's get that out right now yeah well he converted you can't if you're an Episcopalian you can't eat butt anymore that's the first thing to make you stop first we're getting rid of the Pope then we're getting rid of the Pope. Then we're getting rid

of ass eating. In that order? Yeah, that's what the Tudors were really... Tudors, if they're known for anything, it's getting rid of the Pope and eating that ass. They had to stop worshipping the patron saint of ass eating. That's because in a Episcopalian

church, everyone is considered a patron saint of ass eating Getting back to Tom Steyer's bio When around was he born? Like 50s? 1957 He has two brothers Jim Steyer and Hume Steyer His dad after hanging that Nazi

Was just building up a nut for like 10 years This is going to be so powerful His dad, after hanging that Nazi, was just building up a nut for like 10 years. Like, this is going to be so powerful. It is going to create a billionaire. That's how turned on I am. Watching that fucking SS man have his neck snapped at the gallows. Well, it's interesting you mention that because his older brothers, Jim and Hume, are both lawyers. And Jim Steyer... You want to know my theory?

Yeah. Is that he couldn't get it up after he couldn't get the Albert Speer deal for everyone. Why not? Why couldn't he get it up then? Just he was too horrified that he couldn't let them all deny it. He's like,

man, my column looked just like Albert Spears. It's so straight and white. It's perfect. His older brother, Jim, is a TA with his mom with a remedial reading. And Jim certainly gets into like, I like being a helpful person and a nice guy. And because their father is a lawyer and his mom is remedial reading,

they've got like a core niceness, logical side to all of them that I think Tom is just really jealous he didn't have. Because Tom wasn't a lawyer. And for the most part, I think he hates kids. He doesn't hate kids, but I think he's definitely jealous of Jim. Because Jim Steyer created a whole bunch of programming that was like education TV. The famous Chet Jackson was one of the shows Jim Steyer helped produce. Wait, so these are both older brothers, right?

He's the youngest? Yes, Tom is the youngest, and these are both older brothers. The famous Chet Jackson, if you don't know, the main actor of that show, his name is Lee Thompson Young, committed suicide a couple of years ago. Can we pin that on Tom? I think so. Okay. I think that...

We'll go on the record pinning that on Tom. I think Jim Steyer's pressure on the famous Jit Jackson was too much. Yeah, he committed suicide shortly after he was seen leaving Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. I don't think we can necessarily ping this on the Steyer family, but I do think that if it wasn't for them, we still might have the famous Duke Jackson. Anyway, so Jim also...

You know, it is kind of a tragedy that... I mean, not to jump ahead, but Tom Steyer, he does his hedge funding on the West Coast, which I think is the only reason he is not named in the Epstein papers. Like, had he stayed in New York, this guy wouldn't be a presidential candidate because there would be photos of him leaving the fucking mansion. Right, right.

Among other things. I mean, he would probably be higher on the list of presidential candidates if there were photos of him. I will say that... I mean, let's count down the last four. We got a 50%. on the list of presidential candidates. There were photos of them. I will say that... Let's count down the last four. We got a 50%

Epstein friend. All right. Yeah. Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton. Yeah. I'll say 75. I'm going to say Obama was there too. I was seen leaving the mansion with the eyes wide shut mask.

Just like the most powerful. It doesn't even take the mask off in public. Jim Steyer has been teaching classes at Stanford University in political science, and he taught Cory Booker, Susan Rice, and Chelsea Clinton, who Jim Steyer raved was such a star student that he hired her as a teaching assistant and research aide. So another Clinton connection to a billionaire. You just couldn't get over how dignified Chelsea Clinton's friend Jeslyn Maxwell was.

Her perfect etiquette and her seeming knowledge of everyone involved in the Victoria's Secret catalog selection process. So I think we can all agree there's like a huge hypocritical line that Tom Steyer wavers on, which is that he made all of his money from fossil fuels and then now claims he's an environmentalist. No, he didn't. Okay, here's the thing. He didn't make all his money off fossil fuels. And his reason for going with the fossil fuels thing,

or for what he says now in interviews, is that the job of a hedge fund is to- Destroy the earth. Have a wide array- Commit insider trading. Of investments over all sectors of the economy. So he didn't just invest in fossil fuels. He also invested in private prisons.

It's like he was saying, the job of a hedge fund is to always refund Jeffrey Epstein 100% of his money if he loses any, because you have to do that. That's the rule of Epstein. But I guess before we get into what he was actually investing in, we should close out his early biography, because it's like, I mean, there's not extensive details. To the best of my knowledge, that's not just straight up Tom Steyer press releases. But we mentioned, you know, so his dad's a prosecutor at Nuremberg. His mom is a teacher.

But they grow up very wealthy in Manhattan. Did they like inherit money? Because I mean, I don't know if being, no, his dad went into finance. That's what it was. No, they didn't inherit money. You know, his dad made it on his own. But essentially, all the Steyer kids had all the connections they would need

for the rest of their lives by the time they were in their early 20s. Tom Steyer attends the Buckley School and Phillips Exeter Academy. His dad made it in finance because somebody had just gotten rid of all the other bankers. Great, more Reddit comments about anti-Semitism.

I don't think they listen to the Patriots idea. Who else went to the Phillips Exeter Academy show? Oh, yeah. I was saying I read that one of Abraham Lincoln's sons went to the... So this is like... He goes to a very elite prep school on the Upper East Side. And so he... Not much more is known about his early school time but he graduates from yale

in economics and political science and was the captain of the yale soccer team and then he gets his mba at stanford business school where he was an rj miller scholar i don't know what the fuck that is but uh he is you know he credits stanford as a lot of the... He left Germany around 1945, was in Bolivia for a while, just kind of hanging out, waiting for the shit to blow over. After graduating from Yale, he begins his first job at Morgan Stanley in 1979. 79? Oh. He spends two years at Morgan Stanley and then goes to Stanford Business School where

he gets his MBA. And then after that, he would join Goldman Sachs from 1983 to 1985. And it was in this time where he certainly learned the tricks and the trades to become the billionaire he is. Yeah. And then he had something like $11 million in startup capital and started his own hedge fund. Wait, but just I don't want to skip the Goldman Sachs thing because it should be noted.

And I tried to dig and find anything linking to this, but he's at Goldman Sachs. He's in the mergers and acquisitions unit. And he's under a former treasury secretary and absolute criminal scum, Robert Rubin. So Robert Rubin was his boss in mergers and acquisitions at Goldman Sachs during this time. Robert Rubin,

of course went on to to be Treasury Secretary during Clinton and then was one of the people who, of course, got Glass-Steagall repealed so that Citigroup could exist because Citibank and the Travelers Group or whatever it was called were not allowed to exist under the Glass-Steagall law because it was a bank and an insurance company.

So as Treasury Secretary, he gets that repealed and then goes on after the White House to be on the board and chairman of Citigroup. Oh, what a coincidence. So that's the guy who was his boss at Goldman Sachs Mergers and Acquisitions. But the other thing I wanted to highlight, you said 83 to 85. Yeah. Again, this is right around. We've talked about this a lot on this podcast, but mergers and acquisitions

was the main area of insider trading at the time. And I Googled a little bit. I couldn't connect Tom to any suspicious SEC investigations or whatever. If you happen to know something I missed, please shoot us an email. But it's just something where there is no way he didn't at least see that shit going on.

Right, of course. If not directly participate himself. That's just the way it worked something where there is no way he didn't at least see that shit going on if at least if not directly participate himself that's just the way it worked where goldman had the best information so uh again in the book den of thieves like a gold and part of the michael milken thing a goldman banker was actually convicted but if you had a contact at goldman you would definitely call them because they had the best information and they could split the profits and you could trade on that information and as we've mentioned these people grew up with contacts up their ass because of their

high society position in Manhattan from their folks and then his older brothers becoming lawyers as well. So when it comes to the connections and the friends and family necessary to become a billionaire this motherfucker had a silver spoon up his ass for eating purposes

as god said to king henry the eighth when he was personally dictating the rules of episcopalianism hey so like what do wasps think of as episcopalians because i know nothing about y'all's groups i don't know it's just uh i think it's it's it's just the anglican church they're like um do one of you groups think the other one is stupider not really it's just i mean i i think it uh arose out of i think the popular conception which is probably doesn't trace to reality was that it's a church that was started because King Henry VIII really wanted to get his dick wet all over the place. And the Pope was like, you can't get a divorce. And he's like, fuck you, I'll make my own church.

Right, sure. I don't think that's the actual history of it, but it's sure fun to pretend that it is. There's a guy who ate butt. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Just to be clear, I wanted to correct myself. Bob Rubin was, after he left the Clinton White House,

he was director and senior counselor of Citigroup. So he was on the board, but he wasn't like the chairman. Gotcha. I guess director. Was he director or was he the chair? So the Farrell and group was started by Tom Steyer after he, uh,

with his own money had, as I might've said earlier, if it wasn't cut 11 million and, essentially it was a hedge fund and their big innovation was that they got, uh, universities to invest their endowments through them. Uh, it started out with him going to Yale.

And then he kind of... Well, sir, we are skipping a step, too, because he's at Goldman Sachs. We don't know exactly why he leaves. He's at Goldman Sachs for two years. And then from a Yale contact, he gets a job at another private equity firm. This is, what is it? Yeah, Friedman and Hellman. So he's working at Friedman and Hellman. He gets from a Yale classmate, he gets this connection to get a job, which is it, Friedman and Hellman. So he's working at Friedman and Hellman.

He gets, from a Yale classmate, he gets this connection to get a job, which is like another thing we've mentioned a fair bit, I think, is that to be a billionaire, a self-made one or whatever the case, if you go to these elite schools, you get the elite connections that regular people just don't have access to. Well, it's not even just like elite connections. It's just like, oh, if you go to the schools with rich people, you meet other rich people who will make it easier to make you rich.

Yeah, every elite academy talks up their fucking alumni plus the people that go there because it's really what you're paying for. The education across the board is relatively similar, ups and downs here and there. But for the most part, what you're paying for is to be slightly closer to the people that can pay your bills the next time you need money. So the private equity company is called Hellman and Friedman, and it's still in business. And again, we mentioned the 80s is really the golden years for leveraged buyouts, where they're just straight up asset stripping companies in a way that was

actually forbidden in the tax code. Oh, really? Like, so, and again, I wasn't able to connect him to any particular deals at Hellman and Friedman. He was only there for a couple years. But the entire business model was, particularly in the 80s, what we've called essentially legalized bust outs, where you will, like asset stripping was at its worst, where they would go in and just buy a company and spin off the individual parts with like massive layoffs. like asset stripping was at its worst where they would go in and just buy a company and spin off the individual parts with like massive layoffs and they wouldn't even until this loophole was closed they wouldn't have to pay taxes on the profits they get from

spinning off individual parts of it so Hellman and Freeman they're still around they're still kind of a one of the many vicious private equity firms out there but he was only there for a minute right so he would have been there most likely in 85 because he leaves golden sacks in that year and then a year later in 1986 he founds farrell and capital so at farrell and capital he uh yeah he that's basically how he made his um big his fortune yeah it was just we should mention he gets $15 million in seed capital. So you said he started on Wall Street in like, what, 83? Well, so at 79, he's at Morgan Stanley and then spends two years going to business school.

Do you know what he's doing at Morgan Stanley? You know what? I'm not exactly sure, but you've got to think about it this way. It's right after Yale. So whatever job he got at Morgangan stanley couldn't have been more intensive than a you know what an internship essentially is because it's just you know a job for a college grad pre-business degree is not going to be anything too like close-ups to what the higher ups are doing but it's essentially to get more connections and to learn the inner workings of business to then further your career on the next steps. Yeah, it's something where, I mean, essentially,

I would say he was getting a very well-paid Wall Street job for like after he gets his MBA, so like three years. And you have to imagine he graduates without any student debt because, again, he goes to the fucking elite Abraham Lincoln's son's academy. I don't think he can spell debt. I think he's unsure of that but it's like it's something where just according to reports he has 15 million in seed capital in 1986 dollars to start farrell on and uh i don't know how much of that was his own money i

don't know how much was friends and family um i'm sure he made some money working on wall street and i'm sure he got um some former clients to invest and uh you know it's just something where again the rich get richer the poor don't get a fucking thing yeah i mean the reality is is that he's connected to so many communities from elementary school to his mba program that it literally could have been in any one of those uh communities that he found how to get the seed money for his original group the fairland capitalon Capital Investment Firm, headquarters in San Francisco, California. And Farallon would make a very good

and charitable reputation, just strip mining rainforests and operating concentration camps filled with children. I don't see what's wrong with it. It's legal, huh? What's wrong with legal activities? Oh, the rich aren't supposed to get rich

by doing things that are immoral and obviously bad for society, even though they're legal? How dare you, Sean? Yeah, I don't see what's wrong with it. It's legal. It's also a defense people said to his father during the trials at Nuremberg.

But so I guess we could just kind of go through some of his environment because we should mention here his actual presidential campaign. His main message is global warming. Like a lot of the things he says, like, you know, corporate personhood is kind of a problem that should be dealt with. Like, I agree with that. Or corporations are never going to put the interests of people first. By the way, his campaign website, I don't know if it exists.

It's nearly impossible to find. But if you look it up, the first link is an ad on Google for donate to Tom Steyer 2020. You know that guy who's going to spend $100 million of his own money on this shit? Yeah, he's promised to spend more than anyone else to run for president. Basically promising to be an oligarch.

And also, you can't find a website where he states his positions. Just the donate link. I mean, he's the Koch brothers of the liberal agenda. That's essentially who he is. Well, and it should be noted, like, essentially, the Koch brothers uh mercers and others actually do a lot of their spending in ways that avoid disclosures like through you know these what uh the pack the super packs and such like there are various ways of setting it up so that you don't have to disclose who your donors are and then you can spend money through that yeah but as far as disclosed donors, Tom Steyer was actually the highest for election spending in 2014 and 2016.

He spent $67 million in the 2014 election, $87 million in the 2016 election. So he's like, yeah, I mean, he's very influential within the Democratic Party. And we mentioned these meetings with Obama, so maybe we'll get back to that in a second. But I think it's entirely possible that he act based on his active trading during the obama years it is entirely possible that he leveraged his government connections to make money real quick as well i just want to mention in 1986 when he forms farallon capital is also when he marries uh kat taylor his wife who graduated from harvard college and earned a jd mba from stanford school of business where i believe they met at that time.

She's also, I couldn't find much on it, but she comes from money as well. I mean, let's put it this way. If you went to Harvard in the 80s, you're connected to some amount of capital that most people aren't. It's not necessarily true for 100% of the people at Harvard, but a good percentage of them have enough capital to go to Harvard. Yeah, if you've gone to Harvard at any time in the last 40 years, you are directly implicated

in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. But Cat Taylor and Tom Steyer will start a few charities that we'll discuss in a moment so i'm looking up now uh in uh pbs uh overview of candidates issues on immigration he wants to fight deportation and expand services for immigrants and he's already donated 1 million to legal aid groups which isn't quite as much as he's invested in the cca the corrections corporation of america when he was at farallon um which runs 61 facilities across the united states this includes 34 state prisons 14 federal prisons nine immigration detention centers and four jails and it owns 50 of these sites and they have a no vacancy policy which is uh written into their contracts

that there'd be occupation occupancy guarantees by the state that um it's basically a minimum of incarcerated people to go to these private prisons fucking crooks yeah so uh wait guys tom stayer though every day draws a cross on his left hand to remind him to be good in a ballpoint pen. So, I mean, he's quirky like that. And I think we should respect him because anybody that draws on their hand, pretty relatable. On his website, he has the top five rights that everyone should have. And the second one is the right to clean. You have the right to speak to an attorney.

If you cannot afford an attorney attorney one will be provided for you the uh second one is the right to clean air and clean water which uh brings something he provides to the uh mollusk creek coal mine which is a coal um it's killed uh these rare uh white oak trees i guess why they gotta be white that are pretty uh you know because it's australia and then they are so good at being racist they are pretty good at being racist uh not better than America But pretty good I don't know Amy Therese lives there It's led to so much Backlash that there's even a documentary called Black Hole

Focused on the people Fighting the coal Are you sure it's not about eating butt? No Sean that's called Brown Hole Yeah basically It's going to be producing 13 million tons of coal each year until 2034 hell yeah and it was purchased while he was a uh ceo of the farallon group right before he you know quote unquote divested and then decided to become an environmental activist.

And I'm sure that in his head, he's like, oh, well, I had no choice. I had to make money for my investors and investing in coal was part of it because a big part of what Farallon Group did with coal is it would target undervalued mines and then give high interest rate loans to people to develop them. And then because the high interest rates

essentially the companies that invested in the mines would be highly incentivized to ramp up production as high as possible right right in order to pay back these high interest loans and so he basically jump-started a lot of that he also jump-started a lot of Indonesia's coal mining. And this whole time, you know, he could have said, like, as... Let's give high-interest loans to mine operators in countries with horrific labor abuse records and see what happens. And this whole time, he could have said, you know, let's divest from these horrific, you know uh let's try to not be shitty

yeah i think that'd be great one other thing on his australia mind from the la times uh the to do that they had to overcome massive protests from environmentalists they won permission to clear 3 700 acres of forest that served as a koala habitat. And like Andy said, they mined 12 million tons of coal per year. Yeah, it got so bad that one of the national sports celebrities from a soccer team called the Wallabies even got arrested for chaining himself to mine equipment. Oh, really?

Yeah. Oh, don't give a fuck what the other Wallabies think. got arrested for chaining himself to mine equipment oh really yeah i don't give a fuck what the other wallabies think i'm protesting this mine yeah i didn't i didn't have time to watch the documentary black hole but i or all of it but i did click around it and i was a little distracted by how fun everyone's accent was like yeah there was a lot of political corruption he was uh he was arrested for chaining himself to the thing but it was actually totally unrelated he just went out drinking one night he doesn't have one too many fosters yeah and um australian for bear so yeah his his entire background is heavily uh in conflict with uh his his new persona it's it's sort of like you know who when you go to college and try to rebuild who you are like he's he's basically and every time he tries to run don't give the reddit posters ammo to use against you

wait how does that where's the ammo on that one you're being elitist buddy no not everyone goes to college you're projecting so they're gonna say oh he tried to rebuild himself in college and so now this is a new angle of attack against andy man you have such a bully mindset i mean you do sean let's be honest there i spent a lot of time on the opium anthony reddit which in turn spread to like the comtown reddit and every other so that's like the psychology it's like attack weakness because we're bored during our lunch break and this yeah yeah well we can drop that but but i did yeah well it's it's interesting how he's gone from, you know, cutthroat investor who became a billionaire to someone who is trying to completely change his public image.

Yeah, fucking wuss. Yeah. And he's doing it in this way where it's clearly for vanity. Because, like, you know, even if he does give significant amounts of money and, you know, clearly in a very inefficient. Yeah, incorrectly. of money and you know clearly in a very inefficient uh yeah incorrectly yeah he's given away millions you know tens of millions to accomplish nothing yeah you can give tens of millions to me and i'll get nothing done it won't be that hard i mean it accomplished making him famous like that's the thing it's like it's such a bullshit campaign to spend 40 million on this impeachment and like one

thing he did was he bought ad time during fox and friends morning show because he knows trump runs that and it's like okay so you're giving money directly to fox news and what did you have to show for it trump tweeted about how you're an insane crazy person right yeah and it's like okay that does nothing for anybody except for you it raises your profile now you're more famous and you can leverage that. So it's just such a fucking waste of money except for his own vanity. I mean, unfortunately though, I do think that when Tom drops out,

whoever he wants to back will have just that much more leverage over the other candidates because they've got a billionaire in their back pocket. Advertising on Fox News is not even in his top 100 most evil investments

i mean it was probably like oh that means you know one less ad that's gonna scam old people out of selling all their gold um or buy a reverse mortgage but we were just uh no i think they deserve to buy iraqi dinar for the crime of watching Fox and friends. We were, uh, we were just talking to someone who said that, you know, Tom Steyer is the most uncharismatic person in the world and no amount of money could make him president.

Uh, which I would counter with if you've ever listened to a speech by Michael Bloomberg, who was, uh, reelected three times completely on the merit of pouring as much money as possible into his campaign or at least elected three times not reelected twice like but wanted a couple of times and is extremely uncharismatic is yeah he's just

a vacuum of charisma like he just phonetically reads out spanish and does not give a shit um and doesn't divest any of his wall street whole things and quadruples his net worth during the time he's mayor quintuples sells bloomberg terminals that are just fancy monitors that do jack shit but make more money for the bloomberg empire Has sex with children on videotape in Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. Not allegedly. We're on the patron side. It happened. Yeah.

For a fact. One thing I want to mention. We're not going to publish this for two weeks because we know it's coming out. We got the tip off. I mean, if that comes out, this one's going on the free side. Sorry, you were saying one thing i want to mention is in 2006 tom stare and his wife kat taylor founded one roof it's a business designed to

bring technology to rural india and ladies and gentlemen if you don't know i am an indian individual and i looked into this horseshit and essentially they were building uh places so that kids and people could access the internet in india now that's funny because i thought one roof was his company that sold subprime mortgages or negative one roof this uh one roof company starts in 2006 and an article that was written in 2008 talked about how they built 10 different internet centers in India to help the community. And each center cost 1.6 lakhs. Lakh is a term of rupees, the Indian currency, which is 100,000.

So 1.6 being 160,000 rupees per location. And Sean, just off the top of your head, would you guess how much 160,000 rupees is? In U.S. dollars? And mind you, this is technically in 2006, so there is a little bit of inflation, but let's not give a shit about that. Just 2019 dollars. What do you think? $100. Wait, wait, wait.

$150 million. You are both wildly wrong. It's $5,000. Oh. So he built 10 of them, which is $50,000 You are both wildly wrong. It's $5,000. Oh. So he built 10 of them, which is $50,000 worth in two years. So for two years, they got to be like,

we're bringing the internet to India, when really he spent like a percent of a percent of his net worth and didn't really get that much done. 10 centers over two years is not that much progress, ladies and gentlemen. It's bullshit. And that was also approximately 1,000th

of the money he spent to go on tv and argue for trump to be impeached right so when it comes to this guy being you know you know doing any social good the reality is is imagine like flying into india and seeing the slums and the lack of clean water and being like, you know what I have to do? Buy ad space on the President's Morning Show to tell him he's bad man. What if he bought ad space in India? He could have a way bigger fan base. Tom, sir, please. I'm so hungry and thirsty. I just want food or water.

Oh, you want Facebook? Y'all want Facebook? We can get your Facebook. Because that's essentially what he's doing. I did want to to say i said that he got mortgage-backed securities he was farallon capital was selling mortgage-backed securities of course everybody was in this shit so it's like yeah another thing he did was a benefit from the bailout like everyone like jeffrey epstein did it just came out uh i mean if we didn't bail out jeffrey epstein who knows what the consequences would have been for this but you know as part of the quantitative easing the federal reserve bought all these like worthless

mortgage-backed securities and uh you know didn't do anything to stop foreclosures but uh they certainly recapitalized all these people who were absolutely about to get soaked yeah they foamed the runway but so you know tom steyer and it, look, I'm sure they were going to do it anyways, but it probably didn't hurt that he was a major investor in Obama's campaign. So he's the guy in the room who gets the access to be like, yeah, you should definitely buy my mortgage-backed securities portfolio at 100% of market. The other thing that him and his wife started

was this thing called the United Religions Initiative. And this is a multi-faith grassroots initiative that cultivates peace and justice by engaging people to bridge religious and cultural differences. And in 2000... Well, good luck if you got Episcopalians running it. Not shaking hands with those perverts. In 2000, you are... This is just an example of how low Episcopalian self-esteem is, where they're like, you know what? We're just going to work with other religions.

Who knows if we're right? Right, right. Well, in 2000, this is called the 72 Hours for World Peace, and that happened September 11th. No, I'm kidding. Which more than 250 organizations did. But you know what's very funny? If you look up United Religions Initiative in Corruption,

after the first like four pages, it's just straight up Catholic conspiracy, UN New World Order religion, the fucking Episcopalians are starting a religion that's going to control everyone. You know what? People think his shit is NWO. Yeah.

It is kind of funny because, you know, because he's such a big Democrat funder, of course, you know, Republicans always go into this George Soros thing where they're like, these people are the puppet masters. Right, right, right. And it's kind of funny, like, I'll go through in a second here

some of the dirt that I got on him because, you know, he's the Republican funder. People think he's like the George Soros, the puppet master. People think he's like a puppet master character, and so, you know, of course, this kind of conspiracy thinking will proliferate where it's like, yeah, he's the UN,

NWO, organ harvesting, child sex guy. Well, here's the thing. People, you know, they'll say George Soros, and they'll get anti-Semitic, or they'll say it's the Catholic Church, they'll be anti-Catholic. But let me tell you this.

Episcopalian, Church of England, who's at the top of that? The Queen. Queen Elizabeth. Now, who has close connections to Jeffrey Epstein? Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew. The Episcopalians are giving the religious credibility

to run the Epstein. Wow. It is kind of funny that just by virtue of funding Democrats, he has spread anti-Episcopalian bigotry on the far right. Yeah. So, I mean, it takes a couple of Googles to find conspiracy that's that dark and dirty. But when you look at the like uh press for united what the fuck is called the united religious initiative i mean

even the name just is like you are i and the it's based in you know all you know a whole bunch of countries around the world and united religious initiative uh we set up in haiti and uh we provide vaccines to the children who sometimes walk out missing kidneys, sometimes don't walk out at all. We also offer modeling opportunities in Eastern Europe. I mean, listen, in two years, there have been 10 places in India to give people internet in a country where people are starving to death and they don't have enough clean water. United Religion Initiatives, it operates out of Serbia, moving young women into new lives in Amsterdam.

Oh, no. Look, these poor refugees deserve a new opportunity in the new world, and that's what our foundation does. By bridging the communication divides between german businessmen and i think the anglican churches and refugees of the kosovo war jesus christ the anglican church is responsible for brexit because they don't want those eu restrictions on human trafficking man fuck billionaires let's do the conspiracy podcast

if if anyone if there's one thing i want people to get away from this it's that if you're Man, fuck billionaires. Let's do the conspiracy podcast. If there's one thing I want people to get away from this, it's that if you're Episcopalian, I want you to seriously consider Lutheranism. You don't know the difference. I don't know. No one knows the difference, but Episcopalians are trafficking children. You don't want part of that.

That's true. Minimum. You know, there are a few other charities that him and cad taylor have started and i'm not saying they're all corrupt but i am saying that they all have a veneer of look how great we are all philanthropic um entities of the billionaire ruling elite have some sort of we're doing this to save money here here and here um with the stayer family a lot of their a lot of tom's nieces and nephews

work in a handful of charities that like they're loosely related to but there's not really that much information about tom stayers uh for children who are all in their 20s um they all have like various san francisco jobs but the main thing about tom i think that everyone needs to hear is that uh he's another fucking Silicon Valley crook. And he has a veneer of I'm nice because I'm pretty sure his mom didn't like him as much as she liked his older brother Jim. And Hume is not even in like the zeitgeist of the media. One last thing I want to mention. David Hume?

No, Hume Steyer, the older brother. Okay. One last thing I want to say about Jim Steyer real quick is in 2014, there's this Politico article where Jim Steyer is quoted as a guy who will be launching a political advocacy group and a super PAC may follow. And he's quoted as saying, you don't bring a squirt gun to a fight where the other guys have AK-47s. I will tell you this, we're fearless. So the Stey have ak-47s i will tell you this we're fearless so the stair family is psychopaths uh they have a drive in them that will ruin worlds of people as if not already has this world you know if you put hydrofluoric acid in that squirt gun you won't win the battle but i did want to mention uh from the la times uh when stomp tom steyer was running

his head hedge fund in 2000 he wrote a letter to this yeah from the la times when tom steyer was running his hedge fund in the year 2000 he wrote a letter telling some wealthy investors their money would soon flow through an offshore company that would shield their gains from u.s taxes which again is that his campaign slogan it's like jeffrey epstein's entire thing was that was hiding money offshore and it's like well money and yeah yeah what else he hide shown we forgot to mention this on the episode but i knew about it was deutsch bank deutsche bank had to close the jeffrey epstein account in january uh and the thing is they had to close it after this miami hererald long piece came out.

But somebody, a compliance person within the bank had been like, yeah, we should not have a Jeffrey Epstein account simply for PR reasons. And they overruled him and was like, no, it's fine. And then the Miami Herald piece came out and they had to close it because they credibly suspected he was laundering money connected to sex trafficking. Oh, really?

And they were like, yeah, I guess now that they're writing articles about it, maybe the blowback will be too much. Right, right. You just need responsible capitalism. When did Tom Steyer write that letter? The year 2000. In the year 2000! It's also not like he was unaware

of the private prisons that his company invested in. For instance, there was actually a movement amongst Yale faculty asking for them to disinvest from Fairlawn Group. And Tom Steyer released a statement saying, we are very proud of the work we've done for Yale. And then he did not address the private prisons and did not agree to speak very proud of the work we've done for yale and then he did not address the private prisons and did not agree to speak with any of the protesters fucking crook yeah um so i wanted to mention just a couple things before we run out of time here uh one last thing i want to say sorry uh kat taylor has been profiled in a couple of uh photos and one of them has her uh brandishing her tattoos she's a badass woman and some jewelry but

then she's also wearing two watches and i don't know about you guys but i don't respect most of what billionaires do but i gotta say rocking two watches that's a solid billionaire move because it's just insane enough to be like wrist oh that's yeah same of course the same wrist no the other wrist has jewelry on it you can't um but for some reason you want one wrist to be east coast the other west coast i mean that would make sense but i think two watches on the same wrist just screams i don't give a fuck about your time i got my time to deal with that's interesting yogi because i was just looking on this fbi database of pedophile symbology and it looks like the two watches are the symbol that means that I would like to start with a two

year old, please. Because the time is the, it counts down the amount of time before they kill the child. Okay, that makes sense. They have to sync their watches up. Yeah, remember that for a moment. Who took Johnny Gosch?

If you actually look at the time on her watches, it's always off, and it seems to be pointing towards some sort of numerology code. What have we become? We traded drops for conspiracy and child rape. You know what I kind of regret not bringing up, though I did want to,

I just couldn't find the right moment, is when we had Nick and Matt on. I was like, I gotta find a moment to ask them what they think about the Rothschilds being very prominent in that black book. Oh yeah. You know a good way to get less accusations of anti-Smitism Against our podcast

Bring up the Rothschilds One thing I didn't mention about Epstein's Black Book Is he had three Trump names in it It was Ivana Trump, Ivanka Trump And Robert Blaine Trump Which is Donald's brother and his wife Yeah Wait his

Like the brother who drank himself to death I don't think so I think Robert Trump is just a guy himself to death? I don't think so. I think Ronald Trump is just a guy that's alive and people don't think about because he's not Donald. And his wife is Blaine. Blaine's a lady's name. If you look at her two watches, the hands are actually forming a triangle at all times. It's never an accurate time. It's just the triangle.

She does have like a triangle tattoo, I'm pretty sure, on her shoulder. Oh, great. Let me confirm this before I... Let's just start talking shit and then terrify ourselves by being totally right. No, you know what? It's not a triangle. It's like a sun symbol. But that's the new one.

Yeah. She's got an anchor tattoo. They worship the sun god. She does. That's the entire point of the occult. Wait, are you saying they're descendants of Akhenaten? Yes. Spiritual descendants.

The Egyptians tried to stop it by removing all references to Akhenaten after the death of King Tut, but they kept it at bay for a while. Sort of like those Guardians in the original Mummy movie. I mean, the original mummy of our the only the only mummy that we need to talk about yeah the the egyptians managed to keep it at bay for a while until people discovered the miami herald hieroglyphics which revealed the entire conspiracy um okay so there's a couple things i want to get through before we run out of time here uh so peter schweitzer is kind of a right-wing muckraker.

He writes this book. He's written the book Clinton Cash. He wrote this book Secret Empires. But it's relevant because essentially he talks about like George Soros and Tom Steyer here. Right. And the information he has on Tom Steyer is not inaccurate. So I thought I'd just kind of share some of it real quick. Basically, we mentioned he's a major funder for President Obama, so I just wanted to kind of go through some of the stuff that he invested in in terms of American coal.

In 2009, Farallon took a large, quoting from, of course, his book, in 2009, Farallon took a large stake in Freight Car America, a company that, quote, specializes in the production of aluminum-bodied car-carrying rail cars. Oh, his dad knew how versatile those were. So, essentially, rail cars that carry coal, is what I'm trying to say there. And then the other thing that they do is, in 2011, they buy up more than 1.1 million shares of Massey Energy, which you might know from Don Cocaine Mitch Blankenship blowing up his employees there.

But it was something where essentially the accusation that Peter Schweitzer makes, and I think it is kind of convincing, is that he goes and starts buying up coal companies on the cheap when the Obama administration regulatory environment kind of turns against coal companies. So he's able to, you know, we mentioned this murder of employees at Massey Energy. So he's able to buy that 1.1 million shares on the absolute dirt cheap because of these kinds of events. And so much of being like a hedge fund billionaire is like figuring out what something's actually worth if you change it slightly and then fighting to your death to make it that price in the future well who's he was like there are reports of him visiting obama at the white house and just talking to him into the like early hours of the morning and like it's it's just so bizarre because on the face he was saying like oh you know

i'm i'm advocating for a cleaner environment right you know you just like know and like he was probably being like well you know clean coal there is some potential to that well and so the other thing here is uh tom steyer was a heavy opponent to Obama's face, heavy opponent of the Keystone XL pipeline, which is like, okay, fine. But just from this book- Yeah, but Tom just wanted to fight a black guy. That's all that's happened there. From this book, Farallon's largest holding

in the first quarter of 2012 while he's opposing the Keystone pipeline was El Paso Natural Gas Company, a pipeline owner that was in the midst of being taken over by another pipeline operator. Just so happens, this is his largest holding, it also takes Canadian tar sands

out of the ground and runs them over the pipeline. So it's like, okay, maybe he was sincere environmentally, but it also happens that your investment will be a lot more profitable if Keystone doesn't get approved.

Guys, don't buy poison from my enemies. Buy poison from me, your friend. You're a environmentalist. With my poison, you can believe that you won't have to deal with their poison because you invested in my poison. That's what this guy's selling. Right.

Oh, so to be clear, Kinder Morgan was in the process of taking it over and they were the ones who had their own pipeline connecting the Canadian tar sands to a port in the Pacific. And I guess the last thing from this book,000 shares of Ultra Petroleum, and a large chunk of an oil and natural gas producer, Encana Corporation. Did you say Schlumberger? Yeah, something like that. S-C-H-L-U-M-B-E-R-G-E-R.

I think this time we actually think you pronounced it right. It's just a funny name for a company. Schlumberger Millionaire. My dad was a Schlumberger. His dad's dad was a Schlumberger. All we know is Schlumberger's here. My family has a proud tradition of not being taken seriously.

But the thing is, so he steps down from Farallon in 2012 and goes to anti-global warming full time, but he still invests his money in Farallon in 2012 and goes to anti-global warming full time. But he still invests his money in Farallon, which is in all this fucking coal, all this oil, these private prisons and shit. So he's still investing his money there. And one last thing from the book, Steyer enjoyed high-level private access at the White House while his firm was making these trades. Between 2009 and 2012, he had multiple intimate meetings

with top leadership at the White House. Eating butt. According to White House logs, he met with Rahm Emanuel, the White House Chief of Staff, for six hours on September 29, 2009. A lot of buddying in six hours. Another meeting March 4, 2010.

Oh, both times. So September 29 and March 4, he met for six hours with Rahm Emanuel. Oh, that guy. He's never been corrupt. He's like, oh, yeah, Rahm, you know, funny thing I learned from my investment buddies, but if you want to cover up a murder. That's Rahm Emanuel's role in the Epstein scandal.

He's really good at making videotapes disappear. So in 2011, he met twice with the, at that time, new White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley. In 2012, he met regularly with Pete Roos. And then in 2014, he had four meetings with John Podesta, who was then the White House counselor. So again, these are all during the time that he's able to, even after 2012 he still invested in that fund yeah you know so he has incentive to be like hey maybe you should buy this right right did you know that if you if you help me kill the earth i'll make money from it why is this good for me well you can invest in it too. Oh, I liked, I just read this. In February 2013, he spoke at an anti-Keystone XL rally.

It was organized by environmentalist Bill McKibben and apparently McKibben asked Tom Steyer to join the protest by tying himself to the White House gate and getting arrested.

But Tom Steyer was dissuaded by his brother. And it's like, boo. You could do one good thing, get arrested at the White House. It's like, what, You could do one good thing, get arrested at the White House. It's like, what, you can't afford a lawyer? Yeah, I think you'll be able to get out of jail.

Don't worry about it, Tom. I feel like Tom Steyer's trajectory in life is like, he just spends an hour pouring beer on the floor. And then he's like, oh, I can stop this. I'll dilute it with my pee. It is technically diluting it. You know how he could redeem himself would be cover himself in coal and light himself on fire outside of the White House. He doesn't support those industries anymore, Sean.

It's got to be something else. One last thing to mention here. His platform, it's like, it's fine. The other candidates are... It's stupid. It's fucking... Oh, fuck. It's a postcard i'm trump views but his

less technically less money and sway but i think a billionaire outsider can do what a political person that runs the system from their experience and know-how wouldn't be able to do because they don't know how to not poison the world for their fucking profit. Well, Trump made like tangible promises like lock her up. Another promise broken. I know. He didn't say witch her, by the way. He just said lock her up. Tom Steyer's five rights.

It looks like he just someone challenged him to have a more platitudinal campaign than Clinton or Obama. Just one thing I want to mention. Like if you're maybe a liberal person and you watch his platform video, he says fine things like what single payer or whatever. Right, right. But then he also is like, and we're going to have term limits. And the thing is, term limits have been pushed by the Cato Institute for a very good reason, which is that if you are an incumbent running against somebody, say you're a progressive

incumbent, you might have an advantage that offsets your disadvantage in cash because you actually deliver things to your constituents. If you are two unknown people both running for an open seat, whoever has more money has a big advantage there. So the nice thing with term limits and why the Cato Institute and other right wing billionaires push them is they have that cash advantage so as long as there are more open seats it's much easier for them to get their unknown people in there so until you take money out of politics terminal limits is a horrifically right wing idea it's a band-aid on a situation where

they need stitches i mean i wouldn't say it's necessarily a horrifically right wing idea but it's it that's probably where yeah those ideas are coming from well that's one of the one of the five rights but wait there was one last thing i needed to get andy's reaction to and we forgot to now in the guardian the guardian asked him about the idea of a billionaire running for president on a progressive platform uh he said this to the guardian should we put a limit on what beyonce makes i don't see why i don't think people in the united states of america we should put a ceiling on how far people can go and then he transitioned to a critique of communism with the argument quote at the heart of every great he criticizes the argument that at the heart of every great fortune is a crime which tom you're welcome on the podcast we will have this

respectful debate with you come on down down. The thesis of our podcast. The drops are coming back. He says, quote, What Karl Marx failed to take into consideration was software. That if you are Michael Jackson or Rihanna or Beyonce or anyone producing an idea with software, you aren't just the best singer in your village. You have an ability to reproduce that song infinitely

at very low cost around the world. Well, I will say that Rihanna and Michael Jackson are very famous coders. And people have come out to say that, you know, conceptually, Marx did account for the invention of software in the Grundrisse. But in answer to that, you know, maybe the Grunries wasn't really published until decades and decades after the death of Karl Marx and isn't really included in the typical Marxist canon. So I think, you know, maybe Tom Steyer just only read the big ones like the Communist Manifesto and Capital and isn't aware of the Grunries. So, you know, maybe he can be forgiven for making that, you know, kind of error. Yeah. I just like to imagine him saying Michael Jackson on the phone to the Guardian

and his advisor being like, no, no, no, not Michael Jackson. That's not the example you want to use, Tom. But yeah, that's about it. So we'll see if Tom Steyer's presidential campaign gets traction. Wait, I want to get Red Scare numbers. Michael Jackson did nothing wrong. And with that, this has been Grubstakers.

I'm Yogi Pollywall. I'm Andy Palmer. I'm Sean McCarthy. Thanks for listening. Let's talk about what's in your win column. You poured $120 million into the midterm. Some would say you won the House back for the Democrats. Millions into campaigns against big oil, against big tobacco, against corporate tax loopholes.

Why is $100 million running for president money well spent? Well, Michelle, I don't think it's about the money. Michelle, I don't think it's about the money. Michelle, I don't think it's about the money.