Grubstakers - Patreon Unlocked Episode 112: The Bank of Credit and Commerce International (Part 2)

Episode Date: November 16, 2020

Originally Released Oct 31 2019 In our second dive into the BCCI scandal we continue to look at the horrid conditions which led to journalists being murdered, children being kill and rapes and of course no one was to blame. Thanks for supporting the podcast if you want to join our Discord server it is available to our Patreon subscribers. Sean may stream himself playing Hitman some day. Thanks!

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Welcome to the premium side of Grubstakers. We are continuing our investigation of BCCI, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. We are safely behind the paywall. You know who we are. And because we are behind the payroll... Paywall, I can say it. Roy Cohn and J. Edgar Hoover are pedophiles.

And they did traffic children and that is part of the Epstein conspiracy. Which... Epstein keeps coming out and it won't end. If it feels true, then it probably is. Because like they give you like the tiniest kernel and you're like, okay, well this has more questions

than answers. And then you're like it dies down like for a week or two. And then new shit comes out that's like semi-related but then not it's just a fucking rabbit hole of madness he was just a brilliant financier who uh you know got a little out of hand and then uh once he went to the prison system you know the conditions are so bad that uh he uh uh wrapped a paper towel around his neck and, you know. And so this Roy Cohn, J. Edgar Hoover pedophiles thing, this is actually Whitney Webb is a reporter for Mint Press.

And a lot of what she says about Epstein is accurate. It was something where I was doing all this BCCI research and then I saw that and I'm like, well, I don't have time to investigate this shit. I've got enough rabbit holes she was the one who did the um well the massad connection to epstein um going into the massad guy who left and then said that epstein was recruited by what's his name right robert maxwell um so and that is something i wanted to talk about here because we're going to continue with the story of bcci where you left where we left you is like right around the start of the

afghan war all that but what i what i wanted to start by saying is i do believe there are real conspiracies i believe there are real things that particularly the cia but other levels of the federal u.s government were involved in that they have covered up. But I also believe there are fake ones. Oh, really? You know, because I think that's, there was a CIA disinformation agent, and he gave this quote to Congress, I believe, and he said his job was to create a wilderness of mirrors so that whenever people go off and chase and try to investigate something, they'll get to the end and realize they're just staring at a mirror,

you know, which theoretically points you to another mirror that you go and investigate. So, um, wait, do you mean the mirror as in like you go through a whole bunch of hurdles of shit and then when you end at it, it's pointing back at you or that you've just done a reflection of your own

research? Uh, my meaning, and I'm paraphrasing that quote, but I think what he meant is that it's a mirror, but it's pointed your own research. My meaning, and I'm paraphrasing that quote, but I think what he meant is that it's a mirror, but it's pointed at another mirror. So it's a wilderness of mirrors.

I thought you were saying that you do all this shit, and then at the end, like a number 23 situation, you're the reason this shit's happening. And I was like, this is some good fucking dirt shot. That's why so many people investigating the Finders cult have killed themselves under mysterious circumstances. Because you get to the end and you're like, I was the finders cult pedophiles. That's pretty much how the new strategy for global warming by petrol companies where they're like, you know, the real culprit in global warming is you. It's the consumer. Yeah.

Change your spinning habits. Are coming from the inside of the house. Yeah. But the Hall of Mirrors thing, like, you can definitely see it play out if you've seen the documentary Wormwood by Errol Morris about how there was this guy who worked for the biological weapons wing of the CIA during the Korean war. And then they initially reported that he fell or jumped out of a window. And they said that that was a possible suicide. And then when MK ultra came out, they said,

Oh no, we gave him acid. And then he jumped out a window a month later. We're so sorry. And then it had eventually came out though.'t been officially confirmed, that, yeah, he was killed because they were worried that he was going to talk about U.S. biological weapons use in North Korea during the Korean War. Yeah. Yeah. And I also remember that documentary.

There was something in a CIA assassination manual about, like, the best way to kill people is push them out of a window high up. Yeah. Because it can look like a suicide yeah it was exactly like it matched like uh directly how he died where it's uh you want to someone to fall out of a window around 10 stories up he was of course on like the 11th floor and also before throwing them out a window you want to land a blow to the temple and when they exhumed his body body and reexamined it, they did find that there was a trauma hit to his head that had, I guess, coagulated. They found that it wasn't from him either hitting the ground because he didn't hit the ground on that side. And it couldn't have been from going through the window because there were no glass cuts on him.

Yeah, but when you're really depressed and about to kill yourself, you often hit yourself in the head before jumping out of a window to punish your brain for giving you those thoughts. And you also break the window ahead of time instead of, say, opening it. You break it and then hit your head and then you jump. That's the common suicide manifesto.

After you take acid, that's the most important part. Of course, of course. I think you take acid on the way down. But I guess with regards to this- It's really tough with the paper because you got to really get it under the tongue and it's going to hold it.

And if you drop it, it flies away. With regards to this wilderness of mirror shit, we're going to finish the BCCI story. We're going to talk a bit about what is confirmed with regards to BCCI child trafficking and with regards to BCCI links to the CIA. By the way, if you're in child trafficking and uh with regards to bcci links to the cia by the way if you're in new york and want to go to the hotel where the guy uh fell or jumped uh it's right by penn station check it out um but i guess we should at least

mention uh and again we're going to do this part two if uh necessary we'll probably have to do a part three as well just to get all this shit in here but we will at least mention the finders cult the franklin scandal some of this other shit that uh whitney webb for mint press has written about i'll quote some of her articles and so it's just like kind of the farther on you go the more it's like we don't really know for sure but it's it's worth talking about these things and it is something where uh you know steve and Andy, you did a bit of research on the Finders' Cold. And I looked at that shit and I was like, well, this is too perfect. This is like a satanic pedophile CIA ring.

Like they had to put that shit out there to keep us off the BCCI trail or the Epstein trail. And I don't know the truth. You know, it's just one of those things where I have no idea if this is true or not, or just a mirror, as it were. Sean knows the truth, but he's waiting until 400 patrons show up to reveal it to all of our listeners. That would be a great fucking scam. What's in the safe? At 1,000 patrons. We blow the Epstein thing wide open.

At 1,000 patrons, and then we all kill ourselves at 998 patrons. Just to drive the internet insane this is getting into a cargo cold just keep wait like what happens at 600 patrons you don't want to know what new what new data drop but so uh where we left you last time is bcci was founded in 1972 originally in Luxembourg. And we talked a little bit about it, but we should go back to kind of the oil crunch as to how BCCI was able to grow so much, where Abadi, Aga Hassan Abadi, the founder, was smart in the sense that he recognized all the petrodollars were coming into the Middle East. So if he could be the bank for particularly the uae and to a

lesser extent the saudis if he could be their bank of choice then he would make billions just on the commission alone and then the oil crunch in particular like raises global oil prices so much it makes overnight billionaires yeah so in this 1973-74 oil crisis uh on by OPEC as a response to, as kind of a political move to get, what was it, the U.S.? The, what was it? The U.S., the U.K. to stop supporting Israel. And they succeeded. Politically, I think most historians would agree that it probably didn't work, but in terms of causing some real sabotage and chaos

economically for the those the countries that OPEC Turned the spigot off to like yeah, it was you could say it was a success. Yeah, anyway like the BC the BCCI This this oil crisis kind of gave them more of a reason to exist because the U.S. started sanctioning OPEC countries and these countries, a few of them who they did business with, and created a need for an alternative sort of payments infrastructure by a bank that happened to have a lot of U.S. dollars. Yeah. And it did like kind of restructure American foreign policy where instead of just supporting Israel, you know, America already had kind of deals with the Saudis, but American support for Saudi Arabia,

like one thing they did accomplish for those in power in Saudi Arabia was it really strengthened America. It made, I guess, probably America realize how reliant they are on, you know, OPEC doing what they want it to and kind of strengthened America's bonds to the Saudis because, you know, they know that the Saudis can kind of trigger an economic crisis. And at the same time, shit, what was I going to say? Well, we were talking on the previous episode a lot about BCCI as an intermediary between countries that can't be seen doing business. So, you know, BCCI also helps get, say, Iranian oil to Israel through Mark Rich, even though after the Ayatollah comes to power, Iran is officially sanctioned. But BCCI is very much an intermediary in all these transactions. And just to recap, between 1973 and 1976, they grew from $200 million in assets to over $1.6 billion in assets. Nice.

And even for a well-connected international bank, that's just phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, and that's considering that we're stealing 200% of those deposits. Yeah, well, part of it, I mean, as we've already shown and will continue in this episode, is just illicit activity. But then I think there is a real economic impetus from the sanctions and the oil crisis. Right. Like, that's the great thing is BCCI, when it collapsed, is about $20 billion bank in 1991, which was at the time the seventh largest private bank in the world. But we don't have to tell you the black ops part of that is not part of that figure.

So it's a $20 billion bank that is also probably the leading weapons dealer, drug trafficker, money launderer, subcontractor for various intelligence agencies, and of course, you know, child trafficking. So all of those businesses... The red countries are the countries we sell arms to. The green countries are the countries where we wash our money. Yeah, run right out of the Reagan White House. But I guess to kind of continue the story of BCCI, we mentioned Agha Hasan Abadi.

He moves to Karachi after the Indian Civil War. He's originally in Lahore. Camille Lanchani's hometown. Yes, he's in Karachi. And Karachi's like a port city in Pakistan. Why are you looking at me when you're saying this stuff, Sean? What do you want tell me if i'm wrong fucking i gotta be i gotta be the resident pakistan expert on this show i was hoping

i was hoping he has the uh he has the kamal manjani fact yes and that's it that's it that's all i got he knows that that is the law he's the resident kamal manjani expert only on his hometown though nothing else i do like our billionaire podcast yogi is the guy who gives us facts about He's the resident Kamail Nanjiani expert. Only on his hometown, though. Nothing else. I do like our billionaire podcast. Yogi is the guy who gives us facts about Indian comedians. Like, I was listening to that episode you guys did where Yogi disses Tom Thacker out of nowhere.

Why wouldn't I? Fuck him. Fuck his face. I'll say it again. Not even on the paywall. On the free side. I want to say this about the new Dr. Doolittle. Kamil Nanjiani, he's playing an ostrich,

but he has an accent because his first language is Urdu. Does that mean that ostriches speak Urdu? But then when they're talking to Dr. Doolittle, who doesn't speak Urdu, he has to speak English? And then if he only speaks Urdu, he can't speak to a human because only the one speaks to ostrich. So unless Robert Downey Jr. learns Urdu, he can't speak to this ostrich in his native tongue?

Yeah. Or is it implied that he's speaking Urdu to them? It comes out as English so that we understand. No, it doesn't. But Andy's bringing this fantasy to life. I'm just saying he's got an accent. What's the you're what's the ostrich accent from you know i mean yeah because he's not learning english from a pakistani man yeah uh fun bcci fact is that the people involved in the black ops or like you know drug trafficking

all these other uh illicit businesses they would all be Urdu speakers. So they'd be Pakistanis, you know, at all the different branches. And they would only... Some of them ostriches. Yeah, they would only keep notes of illegal transactions in Urdu. And they would only... Urdu. Urdu.

They would only keep the notes of these transactions in Urdu and they would keep them in safes. So you would have these, you have these billions and billions of dollars of illegal money flowing around and the only way of keeping track of it is these notes in code in Urdu or these coded phone conversations in Urdu. So this is a monstrosity to try and piece back together

when it all comes down. It's funny that their strategy is like, not a lot of people speak Urdu, so we can just write out exactly what we're doing basically invulnerable legally speaking well when we're talking about the free side how they were offering children and drugs among other things to convince them to work with one another part of me was like i know there's a racial aspect of we don't speak their language but i'm sure they fuck with what we fuck with and that's cocaine and boys i was gonna, now that we're behind the paywall,

Yogi can enlighten us on how the Pakistani mind relates to the BCCI scandal. Yeah, Yogi, off mic, you were saying something about the contours of their skulls. You see, a lot of people don't know this, but the partition was based purely on skull size and caste ranking. And obviously, everyone that's not a Hindu, infidel of the Islamic gods, deserves to live outside the border because their skulls are just smaller.

It'd be great. We get to the pay side, and Yogi's like, you know, I couldn't really say this on the free side, but the BCCI young boys thing, not really surprising because all Pakistani stand-up comedians are pedophiles. It's part of the Urdu nature.

Why are you mad and talking about shit about Tom Thacker? No, no, I don't care. You got support for Tom? Like Tom Brady? All we're saying is that Harvey Weinstein raked in Academy Awards, and we all know what he was up to. Now Kamail Nanjiani's got an Academy Award? Good point.

Nomination. He didn't win. He didn't win? That movie sucked. Big sick. And you all see it? Not that good, no. No.

Hey, Judd Apatow, how about you make something that isn't a piece of shit again? Kamel Nanjiani and Pete Holmes. He's listening. He's like, I wish I had thought of that. The entire crew that keeps saying the same story. Like, hey, Pete Holmes, you're going to make a show about your life in New York.

How about you cast someone that's not a fucking 39-year-old to play someone doing a 19-year-old comedian job? Hey, Kumail, you're going to tell the same story that is your life with your love? That's fine. But maybe don't be yourself because you're, I don't know, two decades removed from the incident that's happening in this fucking movie. In fairness, Judd Apatow is like the BCCI scandal of Hollywood because he has been creatively insolvent for more than a decade, and yet the powers that be are protecting him and preventing his collapse. Well, see, he was linked to Gary Shandling,

the Mueller of the entire investigation. That made me so fucking mad, too, because I love Gary Shandling, and I watched that documentary. It's so much fucking Judd Apatow in his tribute to his dead Gary Shandling. Now watched that documentary it's so much fucking job at Judd Apatow in his tribute to his dead Gary Shandling now we're touching on the HBO two part Gary Shandling documentary it

has to be two parts because one of the parts is Judd Apatow talking about Gary Shandling Apatow's jerk letter to Gary Shandling and Apatow made it and in fairness Apatow was a writer on the Gary Shandling show. Oh, you mean, in fairness, Shandling gave Apatow the career he has currently? Yeah, you're not wrong about that, Sean.

But, I mean, you know, listen, I ain't that mad at Apatow. He's just a guy who does his best. Wait, when you say gave him the career he has currently, did Judd Apatow kill Gary Shandling? The Larry Sanders show. But yeah, Gary Shanling hired Apatow early on and like Funny People is based on Apatow's relationship with Shanling. So like there's a

tenured history. So their working relationship was kind of directionless and lacking a strong overarching plot narrative. Very similar. It's kind of really bleak and not a good movie at all.

Certainly not a comedy. Anyway, all I'm confirming is Kumail does not have an Academy Award. I want that to be clear to all our listeners. Yogi's like, you know the Urdu word for consensual sex actually means rape small children. I like how Sean's putting words in my mouth. And instead of just, hey, Yogi, say this. He's like, Yogi says,

and then just does a whole bunch of racist shit against brown people. Oh, you know, it's really funny when Sean said the N word 70 times. But that's the plausible deniability aspect of white irony racism, is you say, no, this other character who's racist said these things. The Quentin Tarantino of mediums.

Yeah. But so, you know. The Jeff Dunham, old Walter puppet. Yeah. You know how that was written by Tom Lennon? Yogi, how dare did you say that? What, really? Yeah, Rob, like a lot of Dunham's characters were written by a couple people, and a good chunk of Walter was written by Robert Ben-Gurion and Tom Lennon

from Reno 911 in the state. I don't know, I've got to get a paycheck, I guess. I mean, like, you know, write racist jokes for my puppet character, that's a job you'd do. Can we get back to phrenology? Anyway, so these Pakistani skulls, they bitch-ass skulls. I'm saying it here first and last. So in my will, just know everything goes back to me in the grave.

No one gets my shit. I really do. You know, like you say, I'm like quoting you fakely, but I'm actually trying to promote the Yogi becomes an Indian nationalist transformation arc because I think it would be nice to observe over the course of this podcast, Yogi getting radicalized. It's like Anthony Cumia towards the end of Opie and Anthony, where he would go on these long racist rants, and Opie would just be on his phone or ignoring it.

And so it's just Yogi's doing these pro-Modi rants for like 20 minutes, and then there's these long pauses we have to edit out. Once we start doing video, you'll get to see the tapestry. It's just a map of Kashmir and it shows what territory it's been taken over. The cutting board I have is a map of Kashmir. And it's labeled by brain pan.

We start doing the video and then in Yogi's room, it's just pictures of modi everywhere and then there's yeah the mac map of kashmir that has it as part of india and then there's uh like lists of people being detained with the words terrorist written next to them um there's like an invasion plan and it's like supply lines to cut off in Pakistan. How'd you get this Yogi? Shut up.

I've been doing a lot of pro bono freelance editing work for the Indian government. I can't talk about, but just know there's a blackout in Kashmir because of me. He's been doing drops for Modi's podcast. You go into Yogi's room and it looks like there's a framed diploma on the wall, but it actually just says the Urdu word for consensual sex is rape of young boys. I'm not sure how you even got it framed like that, Yogi.

They put up a fight, but I told them to do it or I'd kill them. Right. Well, then wouldn't it just be the Urdu word for rape of young boys? Shut up. Nope. Those two words are interchangeable in the urdu language the big sick that's why you don't you got to read through the lines of these movies dog the epstein conspiracy is the real big sick um all right but so agaha sanabadi um he moves to karachi he's originally

in lahore he moves to karachi he sets up up BCCI in Luxembourg, 72. We've mentioned here it's exploding because of the oil boom, remittances from, you know, Pakistani migrant workers who go to the Gulf states. He gets all these deposits. He gets the oil money. So he has this, like, amazing growth. But what really takes BCCI to the next level, as well as the Pakistani... Is Facebook.

As well as the Pakistani intelligence service, is the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. You know, Christmas Day, I believe 1979, the Soviets invade Afghanistan. And what happens here is Jimmy Carter is president originally. We boycott the Olympics. He starts a small-scale arms running to the Mujahideen, the resistance fighters. But it's really Ronald Reagan who comes in and says... What's the difference between a small-scale... Afghanistan needs more money.

We've got 65.2 million tucked away in Zir. What's the difference between a small-scale and a a large scale militia or whatever you're saying? Just like a couple pallets versus a couple box trucks. Dozens of pallets. It's like when you're actually counting the pallet folds of $100 bills or when you're just going

like, yeah, this seems like enough. When you can eyeball it versus when you have to weigh it. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, when you start having to weigh your money yeah abagnale method but so we mentioned uh the main source for this in the previous episode is the book the outlaw bank by jonathan beattie and sc gwynn uh former time magazine correspondents and they talk about um uh general feisel hawk f-A-Z-L-E-H-A-Q.

And he was, they quote, is Washington's man in Pakistan. He was a lieutenant general in the Pakistani military, and he just so happened to be in 1978 appointed governor of Pakistan's northwest frontier province in 1978. So if you are the general who has appointed the governor of the northwest province that just happens to have an entrance into Afghanistan, well, if the CIA wants to send weapons and money

into Afghanistan, they have to go through you. Sorry, Frank Lucas. Frank Abagnale is the Catch Me If You Can guy. Frank Lucas is the American gangster guy that knew how much a million dollars was by weight. Oh, damn. I like that movie because it glorified Frank Lucas.

Yeah, it really did. It's like, what if we took, that movie was what if we took Scarface but made Tony Montana even more relatable. Yeah, right, right. The message of this movie is the fucking heroin dealer is a really cool, respectable guy. And at the end,

the guy investigating him decides he's actually a good guy after all. Yeah, exactly. I catch me. You can, it's kind of similar where, I mean, it's not a drug race that's going on,

but it's fraud. And at the end, he's a good guy for the government, which by the way, this should be a harrowing for our listeners and everyone that in this country if you're a criminal mastermind at the end of the road once you've paid your time to society the the job you get is to work with our government to fleece everyone else now yeah if you're going to be a criminal uh make sure you cultivate a skill set that's useful to the intelligence community. Yeah, right.

Like let's say you're a pedophile and... Just allegedly, right? Let's say you're allegedly a pedophile who allegedly hangs himself in a prison where it's supposed to be impossible to do that. You know, maybe allegedly market those skills to Mossad and the CIA. Right.

The key is, if you are a pedophile, you should also take a community college vocational course on hidden camera recording, because that is the difference between, like, 20 to life in a fucking prison where you're going to get shanked. This is sort of like the learn to code for pedophiles. Right, right, right. Just as long as you can secretly record this shit um but so uh faisal hawk again the pakistani general who's controlling

this province um the authors of the outlaw bank have a high level u.s intelligence source that they identify as condor throughout the book and he gives this quote that i'm just gonna just gonna read to you here. Quote, The arms supplies for the Afghan rebels were being smuggled through his district, Faisal Haq, the general's district. But everybody knew that Haq was also running the drug trade. BCCI was completely involved.

We were working with the Pakistanis trying to slow it down, but we couldn't afford to expose it. And so this is what happens here, you know, throughout the entire run of the Afghan war from like 79 to 88 or so when the Soviets finally withdraw, which is another interesting thing to note is that the collapse of BCCI does not occur until after the Soviets have withdrawn from Afghanistan. There's, you know, reports going all the way back to 78 about how BCCI is a fraud, needs to be shut down. We mentioned on the last episode over 700 tips to federal law enforcement throughout this time span saying, hey, BCCI is involved in a million illegal things. But it's protected because they can't expose BCCI because then what they are doing arming the Mujahideen will be exposed.

Right. We could trust condor's candor um but it is something where uh this intelligence community is just full of fake friends this this operation here has so many fucking consequences in addition to you know creating al-qaeda uh causing 9-11 eventually by setting up this network that's capable of carrying out these kinds of operations. In addition to that, it makes the border regions of Pakistan, including Karachi, the city where Abadi is based and where BCCI's Pakistan branch is primarily located, it makes the city extremely dangerous, and it also makes the border regions of Pakistan extremely dangerous because you've got billions of dollars flowing in as well as weapons. And hawk is, of course, one of the main principles of the heroin

trade. Because another thing that happens is, you know, there's the Ayatollah Khomeini revolution in Iran. Iran starts cracking down like very harshly on heroin trafficking. So heroin trafficking primarily starts to go through Pakistan to the point where the outlaw bank says, the book says 70 percent of the world's heroin started coming through Pakistan because of those terrorists encouraging Iranian leaders cut down on heroin trafficking. But it is something where, you know, we mentioned that quote there. The U.S. knewk and other pakistanis were involved in the heroin trade and making money from it but we needed him to send our weapons and our pallets full of money into afghanistan so we looked the other way uh so this creates a heroin epidemic in pakistan but it also creates one in the united states we needed hawk to help

us solve the laura palmer murder and get us to the Black Lodge. Well, it's going to be Black Andy. Yeah. But, you know, so that's just kind of the main story there. And we mentioned on the previous episode, ISI, the Pakistani intelligence, is skimming off the top of these billions of dollars of weapons and just pallets full of $100 bills that come into the country. Because the CIA's main role is dump the shit in Pakistan and then we give it to ISI or other couriers who bring it into Afghanistan. So of course they can do whatever they want with it. A lot of the weapons and money never even reaches its supposed destination. And this is just entirely a predictable result of the Reagan administration and the CIA under William Casey at the time trying to skirt the law of Congress and public

accountability. And in fact, I wanted to play a drop from the NBC News report in 1992, which was, I mean, the gist of it is that William Casey was the director of the CIA, and he was meeting directly with Agha Hassan Abadi, the founder of BCCI, this massive criminal enterprise, for at least 1984 to 1986, usually like once a month. Really? Yeah. But what Bailey didn't know at the time was that the director of the CIA, William Casey, had his own secret BCCI agenda, using the corrupt bank for covert activities. Bailey now says that

explains why others at the White House were in no hurry to go after BCCI. It's public knowledge now that the Central Intelligence Agency used the BCCI for certain of its payments and obviously doing that would make them less than totally favorable to blowing the bcci cover what happened the official line from the cia given in testimony before a senate subcommittee last year by then acting cia director richard kerr was that the cia did not make great use of bcci bCCI was not a major banking mechanism used by the Agency for the Support of Covert Foreign Intelligence Operations. It was used on an extremely limited basis for legal banking transactions. But an investigation by NBC News over the last five months,

including interviews with former BCCI insiders, prosecutors, and foreign intelligence sources, has found that there is much, much more to the relationship between BCCI and the CIA that anyone in government has been willing to admit. An important part of the CIA-BCCI intrigue involves what BCCI sources say were secret meetings here at the Madison Hotel in Washington in one of the $2,000 a night presidential suites on the top floor of the hotel. According to BCCI sources, it was here that the head of the bank, Agha Hassan Abadi, met secretly for at least three years with CIA Director Casey.

Sources say the secret meetings took place every few months, and the agenda involved Pakistan-Afghanistan war primarily, as well as Iran-Contra. But yes, thank God all of the news networks have cut their investigative journalism budgets. Well, it was all legal. Yes. It was minimal. Yes. Minimal banking transactions, and it was all legal. Yes. It was minimal. Yes.

Minimal banking transactions, and it was all legal. Yes, you heard the testimony. If it's minimal, it's legal. But, you know, so the literal head of the CIA, William Casey, and, you know, he's a fascinating character where he comes in and doesn't even trust his own agency. He came after Helms, right? I believe so, yes.

I think actually George H h no uh yeah yeah it was george hw bush then carter's guy and then william casey when reagan comes in okay and then william casey dies in 87 i believe wait did uh bush come after helms no bush was before bush was the last gerald ford guy oh no but i mean helms was uh he was like the 60s he was like the guy who did all the like mk ultra shit okay so my timeline's fucked up but yeah so then george hw bush came after helms but um i guess my point there was william casey comes in with reagan and carter actually did lay off some cia people try to cut back because this was in the aftermath of the um

the church committee of course you know where they got exposed for all of this bullshit, including MKUltra. But so Casey comes in. But he didn't try to, let's say, shatter the CIA into a million different pieces. Yes, no. And then go on an open-roof car ride through. That's the thing. I'm with Matt Chrisman.

I'm agnostic on was JFK killed by the CIA? Oh yeah, but it's fun to speculate. But you just can't help but notice that the last president to threaten to shut down the CIA just happened to be assassinated. And no president since then has tried to do that. Yeah, the thing that like, I used to be worried that, you know, Bernie would completely lose and fall into irrelevance, and that's

still a possibility, but now that things are looking good for him, now I'm just really afraid of a coup. Yeah, certainly. I mean, he's old enough that if, like, he dies of whatever, heart attack, you know, it's just the usual people will all be lecturing you. Committed suicide by jumping out of a window.

Right, right. With a blow to his head on lsd jumped or fell or fell yeah immediately but yeah he's old enough that all the usual people will be like you fucking conspiracy theorist he was an old man you know they die of uh natural causes all the time right after they win the new hampshire primary they would bring out the heart attack gun oh yeah yeah um but so what i wanted to talk about here and so you know william casey he wants to get around the agency more than anything else he wants to get around congressional oversight uh uh because so he sets up so he doesn't trust the cia and also he wants to get around public oversight of the cia yes i mean like he has people within there that he trusts, but he doesn't like that the bureaucracy

in the aftermath of the church committee, a lot of people there were like, okay, let's go along with the Senate because the church committee did clip their wings a little bit. Right. Where, you know, again, the Senate investigates, the Senate passes a law saying no more CIA assassinations, you know, and so William Casey doesn't like that there

are a lot of people within the bureaucracy or like okay we have let's follow the law I don't want to get in trouble right so he's actually William Casey is a former OSS agent and he brings in this his own network called the quote hardy boys which are like a bunch of old geezers he knows from the OSS like the outlaw bank the book has like really funny descriptions of him like just giving these old people secret cia technology and weapons and shit and just letting them walk out the door and like do operations just completely off the books no oversight a lot of uh institutional knowledge on how to sabotage a zero the outlaw bank actually like quotes from the memoir of the

leader of the french intelligence agency um who apparently wrote this story in his memoir about meeting ronald reagan i believe either shortly after or shortly before he won the election and telling reagan don't trust the cia you know there's like a lot of amateurs or fools over there and so uh he's not sure he retained that yeah uh he uh this guy this leader of the french intelligence becomes a guy who like william casey and um ronald reagan rely on to the point where he pitches them on in the afghan war uh you guys should use drugs that you have seized off the streets of america and then dump them into kabul to get the soviet troops addicted to drugs and they're like really excited about this operation, but then it doesn't go forward.

But it's foolish anyways, because there's so much heroin in Afghanistan already. Right. It would happen. But it's just one of those things like they give the outlaw bank gives this description of William Casey hearing the idea and getting so pumped up and like getting up off his desk and like pacing around all excited, you know. So it was something where Ronald Reagan and William Casey were really interested in these operations to defeat the Soviet Union by any means necessary.

Because another thing the book alleges, I think very credibly, is that with Jimmy Carter, and we'll go through this in a second here, there was some pretty substantial bribery to associates of Jimmy Carter, Jimmyter jimmy carter himself uh at least in the form of charitable donations to his foundation but um but with ronald reagan there was less of that overtly though there was still but it was more just the people there believed so firmly that any means necessary to defeat the soviet union that bcci could just say yeah we're doing what the u.s congress won't let you do to stop the soviet that BCCI could just say, yeah, we're doing what the U.S. Congress won't let you do to stop the Soviet Union.

The CIA kind of responds, like in that committee hearing, their response, like they try to downplay the significance of like, well, we didn't even really need access to BCCI. It was just a few minor access. They're really downplaying what was like basically their only link into the formal international banking system because otherwise what are you going to do you're going to have to go the pallets of money route in order to finance all these weapons and training it's also it's just like it's like infinitely more uh places that a clandestine operation could fail if you don't have access to just regular banking system right right it's also

kind of funny i forget if it's richard kerr or william casey i think it's richard kerr actually uh the cia director um is originally the cia is saying we never had any accounts with bcci and then it comes out and he what he does is he gives a press conference to middle schoolers so that nobody will ask him hostile questions and then he admits yes we had some limited accounts with BCCI but it was all above board and that's kind of the extent of what the CIA admitted and in fact we have a drop from a person from the carry committee because the carry committee is kind of what the CIA admitted. And in fact, we have a drop from a person from the Kerry Committee, because the Kerry Committee is kind of what starts to blow this open, because John Kerry...

My wife. John Kerry has actually some good investigators on his subcommittee, but there's one drop of them getting the runaround from the CIA, which just kind of shows you how impossible congressional oversight of the CIA is. ...DI takeover of her bank. We went down to Langley.

We asked for a briefing by the CIA on everything it knew about BCCI, again at the top secret level. They provided a briefer to us who was unfamiliar with the name Kamal Adham. It was absolutely obvious to us that we weren't getting the full story. This is what the agency said. So Kamal Adham it was absolutely obvious to us we weren't getting the full story this is what the agency said so kamal adham again we talked about this the last episode

head of saudi intelligence from 1965 to 1975 79 so they the cia provided carrie's committee with a briefer who had no idea who the head of saudi intelligence was and again this in the present there's really except for the uh the torture investigation there's been no oversight of the cia but you know i don't like what i read about it just shows you how what a joke congressional oversight of this agency has become to the point where look i do think the cia has at minimum tertiary links to child trafficking and probably more explicit in the case of jeffrey epstein but you know if you say that shit people are just like oh it's a conspiracy but the thing is how could we fucking know there is no oversight here this is

an agency that has become a government unto itself. And you just listen to a staffer for John Kerry say that when they tried to find shit out, they just sent them a fake briefer and just constantly deceived and minimized them. And again, they did the same thing with all the torture investigations. And there's no consequences. No CIA people go to jail. And even the Iran-Contra prosecutions were all pardoned on the way out Sean it sounds to me like you're uh talking about a shadow government and I don't

know if you know this but that is actually an anti-semitic trope yeah and Sean that's also black so I don't know why you keep blaming the blacks yeah. Basically. Yeah, I'm saying shadows are black. But I guess what I wanted to do here is just read a little bit from the Outlaw Bank. And this former member of the Black Network. I came with the blacks, Sean. He gives this statement to the journalist who wrote the Outlaw Bank. And he goes through a few different things. And I just wanted to start with Mossad. They ask him to tell them what he knows about the Mossad and the BCCI Black Network.

Again, this is the intelligence arm of BCCI with about 1,500 members, according to the book. He says about Mossad, What do you want to know? We trained together in Karachi for covert operations. We gathered information for the Mossad, spying on the Gulf states And they talk about that. They talk about, he gives this quote to, the CIA was doing things for us, and we were doing things for the agency. We picked people up for them.

We assassinated people for the agency. We were big in drugs, drug smuggling, and drug financing. Another kind of fascinating thing he talks about, he says, BCCI's motives was to strengthen its ties to the agencies, all the various intelligence agencies. We were looking to the future, but it wasn't all tied to arms. Once there was a shipment from Colombia via Fiji and Manila to Karachi by ship. The network unloaded it in Karachi. A CIA agent from Indiana named Steve was in charge

and we had to get it out of the port using trucks to the airport where we loaded it onto an unmarked 707 i was there i carried the money to give to karachi customs the payoff to the customs was half a million rupees which is about 25 000 us dollars i knew that supervisor he asked to take the night ship that night because something was coming in i don't know what the shipment was it was huge wooden crates we had to use a crane instead of the forklift and they asked him if he knows what was in the shipments i like there's a unmarked 707 like they bought a 707 and then filed off the serial number so he says he doesn't know what was in the shipment this was around april 1989 craigslist yeah so april 1989 he doesn't know what's in the shipment he says the plane left

karachi going over turkey and iran and they got air pakistan to abort a scheduled flight at the last minute so this plane would appear to be air pakistan but then it diverted to czechoslovakia i heard its final destination was the east coast of the United States, somewhere between Virginia and Vermont. They ask him again, what do you think was in the crates? I don't know. We moved gold, we moved guns, we moved drugs. This shipment started in Colombia. So you can speculate as to what would be in this shipment that ended up somewhere on the east coast of the united states with a cia guy named steve overseeing it but it is very possibly uh cocaine trafficking from columbia with the uh oversight of the cia to get money for their black ops or gold or guns who the fuck knows sure anything when you think about it literally including but especially but really yeah steve's like silently hoping we don't figure out

it was him he's he had much older he had the fucking pakistan black mission and then his next job was to infiltrate leftist podcasts he's like yeah we we have to use a pseudonym so that my job doesn't find out i work here i peel off the skin under my nose and there's a mustache underneath right right and so this this former agent of bcci tells a bunch of different horrifying stories he mainly says in within pakistan bcci would mainly do intimidation. Again, they were so connected to the ISI Pakistani military that if they just threatened you, you would fall in line for the most part. But he does tell a story about a BCCI man they discovered who was liquidating his assets and fleeing the country. And he gives a quote, they got brigands from the Northwest.

They came in and raped his wife and killed his brother along with him and he said that was the only assassination within pakistan he knew about but he did hear rumors of cia assassinations and he says quote we helped them in southeast asia burma and hong kong so they helped the cia assassinations yes they're saying they bcci had agents there who would do assassination for the cia because again there is officially a senate ban on cia assassination which is impossible to find a workaround right after bcci goes under they're trying to get jobs at other banks it's like so um uh what what qualifies you to work at bank of america what banking experience you have well i i've done a lot of assassinations.

Oh, okay. Yeah, we can use that. I'm a procurer. Yeah. And one last quote from this black network guy from BCCI. Always a black guy with you, Sean. Why has it got to be black? He says, quote,

There were lots of Americans on the payroll. These were the people we had gotten to through blackmail, extortion, bribery. There were judges, state policemen, the FBI, the Justice Department. In the U.S., it was always money. You give a guy a loan and he didn't have to pay it back. And they talk about part of his job for BCCI, as well as, you know, intelligence gathering and these kinds of things, was he would put say a hundred thousand or whatever the amount is just put it in somebody's bank account so you don't

even offer them a bribe you just put a hundred thousand in their bank account and then they're left with a dilemma oh do i return this money or do i just keep my mouth shut and then you own them right away and you know again we mentioned this on the last episode he is the one who claims that senator john tower who wrote the tower Commission report on Iran-Contra, they blackmailed him with probably underage girls from Lahore and got videos and film. So, again, no possible overlinks with the Epstein scandal. No, not at all. I don't know why you would even suggest that, Sean. scandal and bcci training with the massad and uh unloading drugs over the over uh under the oversight of cia agents and shit we can talk a bit here about another depressing topic which

is bcci's role in trafficking we've kind of hinted at this a lot they're lending practices yes you will never believe the fucking leverage ratio these people were getting believe these people were using bcci shares by their major shareholders as collateral oh i can't believe that are you kidding me we just like get so disgusted we can't do a comedy podcast anymore um but so you know look uh sheik zayed um and also his son who now sheik zayed has since died his son now runs the united arab emirates his son i believe khalid um has a reputation as a playboy uh you know they talk about how he would like party in london and shit and again this this guy jay colin yeah oh khalifa prince khalifa now the uh leader of the united arab emirates uh he had a reputation as a playboy um yes and again the bcci says you uh there's no way to discuss commercial matters with uh these

kind of um people in the royal courts you just talk to them about camels or you bring them girls. He also talks about bringing cocaine or young boys to various people in the royal families. But what's kind of disturbing here is there is something within BCCI

called the quote-unquote protocol department. And according to the book book and their job is why are you laughing steven he develops a lot of protocols yeah there's a book with protocols what's so funny about that yeah steven i don't know what you're getting here so tell us about this book the elders wrote um it's really disturbing the financial protocols the protocol department came up with and that's what's really disgusting about this game. If you follow protocol, you don't have anything to worry about.

So the quote-unquote protocol department, their job is essentially entertaining VIPs for BCCI. And according to the book The Outlaw Bank, when BCCI opened in Karachi in 1978, this is after the coup and they're allowed back in Pakistan again. When they opened in Karachi in 1978, the protocol department was already in place with a 1.5 million U.S. dollar budget and over 100 employees. It would grow to about 500 employees. Oh, what year is this?

1978. Oh, that's the year Camille Nogiani was born in Karachi. It was the dancing boy Camille Nangiani was born in Karachi. The dancing boy, Camille Nangiani. So what they would do is, again, it's very disturbing here, but what they would do is they would go to what are called the quote-unquote diamond markets. His honest, like how i became a comedian well i discovered as a dancing boy i couldn't did you try to do a commercial exit

and then it just dropped immediately yeah um so yeah so they would go to the diamond markets and just quoting from the book, the entertainment provided. I want to fuck that one. Just do the heroin. Quoting from the book, they would go to the diamond markets and the entertainment provided by BCCI. Quoting from the book, it had always meant such things as bustard hunts. Those are the the hen like the turkey like animals that you hunt with the falcons and camel races, but now the entourages of Middle Eastern leaders,

in particular that of Zaid of the United Arab Emirates, were increasingly being entertained in less wholesome ways. Much of this sort of amusement took place in Lahore's legendary diamond market, home of the famous, quote-unquote, dancing girls. There, girls as young as 12, and later even younger, were dressed in silk harem pants and procured by BCCI officers for their clients. In the middle 1970s, the man in charge of inspecting the girl was Zafar Iqbal, who would later become the CEO of BCCI. Inspecting?

Yes. Yeah, because they go to these markets and they inspect the girls. And the way it's described later on is they have later the wife of some doctor who's connected to BCCI checking out the girls throughout. Yeah, they describe. She's all right. You know what? I think maintenance on this is good. Strong sevens. Why is she the wife of a doctor?

Doesn't she have her own thing going? Yes. She's like Ben Shapiro. She just can't shut the fuck up about how her husband is a doctor? Doesn't she have her own thing going? Yes. She's like Ben Shapiro. She just can't shut the fuck up about how her husband is a doctor. Right, right. So quoting from the book again, Bigam Asghari Rahim, the wife of a Pakistani doctor, was in charge of rounding up the girls and bringing them to Karachi

to be outfitted in proper clothes before being presented to the princely clients. Often she would shepherd more than 50 girls at a time through a department store shopping for jewelry and dresses the practice was so successful far more effective than giving away microwave ovens or toasters that the bank would spend as much as a hundred thousand u.s dollars on such an evening's entertainment according to senate testimony um she would also quote interview girls and women and take them to Abu Dhabi for a dancing show or arrange some singing shows throughout the Middle East quote dancing girls and singing girls are euphemisms for prostitutes and we have mentioned the Kerry committee took testimony about

how women who are prepubescent were physically harmed by being raped by members of the Saudi, the UAE royal family, among others. But one last thing on this that is particularly disturbing to me, Jimmy Carter. So Cy Vance, you might know Cy Vance Jr. as the ineffectual Manhattan district attorney who gave a pass to the Trump kids as well as to Harvey Weinstein, which, you know, Morgenthau, the district attorney that preceded him, was by no means perfect, but he is the guy who investigated BCCI and brought this whole thing down. So it is quite the drop in quality, one of the most kind of Godfather II to Godfather III political transitions in history to go from Robert Morgenthau to Cy Vance Jr.

But Cy Vance's father, Cy Vance, was the Secretary of State for Jimmy Carter. And before that, he got his first big government gig, according to Seymour Hersh, just lying to the Pentagon press corps about Vietnam. Like, as Hersh told it in his memoir, Robert McNamara and Cy Vance would just kind of walk into the room, tell the press corps a bunch of easily checked lies. And then the press corps would just kind of happily write it down. Wow. It's so fucked up that Trump is the first president to lie to the press just constantly. Yeah, he should listen to the honest generals. So Cy Vance was Jimmy Carter's secretary of state.

And according to the book The Outlaw Bank, before Jimmy Carter visited Pakistan, Cy Vance secretly visited Pakistan. And kind of a disturbing thing is that both Jimmy Carter and Cy Vance on their official trips to Pakistan, according to the book, quote, had been hosted by BCCI's protocol department rather than Pakistani officials. I would assume, or at least I would hope, the entertainment was slightly different from what the protocol department was offering to the United Arab Emirates. I'll tell you what, we didn't have girls like this on the peanut farm. Well, that's the other thing, which we'll actually get to right here. But, you know, it kind of goes to show you where Carter leaves office and then BCCI gives him at least $10 million for his charitable foundation. Carter's budget director, his former budget director, was a guy named Bertram Lance.

He had to resign as Carter's budget director. He got in financial problems. He was, I believe, the half owner of the National Bank of Georgia. BCCI buys it from him using front people at a premium to kind of essentially get him in pocket where you're in desperate financial straits, we'll buy your bank, which not only gives BCCI a foothold in the American market, but also gives him money and makes him, you know, their Patsy now. Right, right. But in addition to that, according to the book, The Outlaw Bank, the National Bank of Georgia

was the largest lender to Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. So BCCI was was the largest lender to jimmy carter's peanut farm so bcci was also the largest lender to jimmy carter's peanut farm and uh and they love nuts yes i didn't know he still had a peanut farm when he was president yeah like didn't he have to like he was forced to give it up because they would be conflicting yeah yeah no yeah he did have to give it up but i think he got it back after his presidency oh so then they went into his peanut farm when he went back interest you know what trump so was supposed to do but instead chose to uh circumvent and do a couple loopholes around that shit yeah okay sean but how does this tie to Russia? Yeah, come on, Sean. But so, yes, they buy in 1977. Bertram Lance meets representatives from BCCI.

They give him a $3.4 million loan, and they buy the National Bank of Georgia from him. And, of course, in addition to that, in 1982, after Carter leaves office, he starts meeting Abadi, the founder of BCCI. He starts meeting him in person, flying around the world with him. And we played on the first part of this, the quote about Jimmy Carter saying, you know, Abadi is a decent man and BCCI is a unique bank among all of the ones. I have never seen a protocol department this efficient and with this many employees.

But so. Wonderful dancing. Yes. And so I guess we'll kind of close. I guess they did have dancers like that on the peanut farm later. Yes. I guess we'll kind of stop this here because, you know, we've gone through the Afghan war. We've gone through trafficking.

We've gone through a fair bit of CIA links, links to Jimmy Carter. What I want to talk about on the next and last part will be, we'll go through the fall of BCCI, and then we'll go through some of Whitney Webb's and others' allegations about what has happened with regards to Jeffrey Epstein, possible BCCI links. And also just we should mention here that according to the book, The Outlaw Bank, at least 16 people were died in suspicious circumstances during the BCCI investigation. Really? They do lay out very clearly two journalists who were very clearly, in my mind, murdered. I mean, journalists just die.

It's part of the job. Yeah. I like how the term you're using is mysterious. Like, it turns out that next to his hotel room was a vat of quicksand no one saw coming. Is this higher rate than the baseline mysterious death for journalists? Yeah.

Yeah. What's the big on this death on journalism? Yeah, you know, it's kind of mysterious when a journalist gets shot to death with a silence pistol and then his notes disappear out of his hotel. Yes. So there's a Financial Times journalist named Anson Ning who was killed in Guatemala over BCCI. He was investigating BCCI in Guatemala for the Financial Times. You might be aware there was a genocide in Guatemala, but BCCI's standard modus operandi was to help elites in various countries funnel money out. So, you know, whatever aid or IMF loans or whatever the fuck it might be, they just help the ruling government squirrel a whole bunch of it out into Cayman Islands accounts.

So you can see why if he's in guatemala uh somebody might want investigating this for the financial time somebody might want to shoot him and he's murdered in his apartment uh with a silenced pistol his notes are taken and a a towel is wrapped around his head to apparently prevent the blood racist to prevent the blood it was not that kind of message it was i guess to prevent the blood from... Wow, racist. To prevent the blood... It was not that kind of message. It was, I guess, to prevent the blood from leaking out. That just sounds like a standard mugging. You know, when you've got a lot of notes, you just become a target for muggers.

The street value of Financial Times notes is like $15 million. Oh, man, I saw this guy. He bought like three notebooks the other day. This guy. Let's roll up on him, man. He's got like four Moleskines in his pocket right now. If you're walking through Jamaica, Queens,

people will just be like, fine notes. Financial Times. Financial Times business notes. Empty notes, yeah, empty notes. I saw this guy open up his Financial Times subscription with a fingerprint. Oh, shit, man.

Excuse me, I got all these financial times notes that I just need to unload. I just got too many. Yo, man, you can't say that on the street, dog. Someone's going to rob us. And then the other reporter is Danny Casolaro. He's kind of an obsession of various conspiracy bloggers, and I think the circumstances of his death are extremely suspicious. He was an independent journalist.

He's found dead in his West Virginia hotel room in 1991. Just so happens one of his last entries, the last entry in his notebook, is to call one of the authors of the book The Outlaw Bank. Oh, wow. So he was investigating what he called, quote-unquote, the octopus, which he said involved BCCI, involved Iran-Contra, and also involved this Promise software, which we don't have time to get too much into. Maybe we'll talk a little more on the next episode. But it's this really weird story about this guy

who wrote software for the Department of Justice and later got into a long legal battle where he says they and possibly Israeli intelligence sold his software. And then the conspiracy or the allegation is that they put a back door in it and started selling it around the world so that they could steal information out of this.

So they put a butt on it and started doing butt stuff with the rest of the world. Clearly he got assassinated by the second-rate squad because his notes were still in there. Yeah, right, seriously. They killed him, but they didn't grab his notes yeah uh so the shit that we really need so we'll maybe talk a little bit more about danny casolaro on the next and last part of this but you should just know that um you can look at the photos of his wrist wounds online he was found dead in a bathtub supposedly ruled a ruled a suicide, slashed his own wrist.

His family said that he spent his entire life with a really vicious fear of blood and bleeding. So they'd say if he did that, he wasn't going to do it that way. Right, right. You can look on the photos. They're disturbing, but he's got really deep cuts all over his wrists like to the point

where like if you're just going to open up your veins and die in in the bathtub it really shouldn't look like that it's like really fucking deep um and he also talked about also down the road also across the street not down the road yes he talked about this uh um or his housekeeper among others have talked about how he was getting threatening phone calls he told his brother if something happens to me it was not a suicide you know oh well is he like his house everyone says before they kill themselves like somebody but the notes sean do you leave any notes his people have looked at some of the like some of his notes were taken but some of them were still there uh they wrote like some weird nonsensical suicide note on the hotel paper.

And I guess just one quote from the book, his housekeeper testified that she like picked up the phone at his house. The nonsensical hotel notes are like, although my fear of blood persisted throughout my life at these final moments i'm coming to terms with my fears i could just imagine like the news reports that are like the suicide note says uh i cannot enjoy writing music anymore and the assassins at home is like shit i don't think cobain know it this is it sounds like amateur hour right Right, right. And it's on, you said it was on the hotel stationery. Yeah, it's not even. This is like the Marriott.

It's not even good stock. The logo behind it. Which would know I'm like some good papyrus. Well, at least they put them in the bathtub, so it wasn't a big mess. So, like,

just a couple more things from this. The housekeeper says she, like, picked up the phone at his house and she got multiple death threats, one of which was, we're going to cut you up and throw your body to the sharks. And then the person on the other line hung up.

You would also get the silent phone calls. There have been multiple Freedom of Information Act requests related to his investigation, one of which was finally declassified in 2017, though the FBI has claimed they lost a lot of pages related to this. But what was declassified in 2017, though the FBI's claimed they lost a lot of pages related to this. But what was declassified, the FBI agents investigating this, more than half of them said they suspected this was not a suicide, but felt pressure from above to close out this investigation. And then if I can just quote from the Outlaw Bank to close out this part of the story, he had supposedly killed himself by slashing his wrists, except that the cuts had been phenomenally deep all the way through the tendons. There was also evidence that someone else had been in the room with him. Quote, it looked like someone tried

to wipe up the blood on the floor and slid the towels under the sink, one of the motel's housekeepers said in a magazine interview. It looked like someone threw the towels on the floor and tried to wipe the blood with their foot, but they didn't get the blood. They just smeared it on the floor. Yeah, they are pretty deep. I mean, I saw the pictures, and they're pretty deep on, like, both wrists.

And if it's going to the tendon, I don't think you would have the strength in your hand to hold a knife and do the other wrist. Right, right. Yeah. Those are very deep cuts. Yeah. Yeah.

You can believe or disbelieve this, but Whitney Webb in Mint Press, she writes about in 1994, one of Danny Casolaro's lawyers, or no, an Insla lawyer, that's related to the Promise software lawsuit. This lawyer, Charles Work, told then Assistant Attorney General John Dewey that one of Insla's confidential sources in the government had stated that Casolaro had been injected with a substance that deadened his nerves from the neck down, explaining the apparent lack of struggle and that the substance used had come from the U.S. Army inventory.

The last person who had arranged Casolaro's final meeting before... How cool that the Army has that. The last person who had arranged Casolaro's final meeting before his death was a u.s military intelligence officer named joseph keuler c-u-e-l-l-a-r keuler yes um so i guess we'll close out the story on the next episode but i do want to just make clear to anyone listening who might not be uh let's say, sympathetic to our interests, we don't do any original reporting on this podcast.

No, no, no. So we just take what other journalists say and then we play annoying sound effects over it. Well, that's the Grubb Staker way. Yes. And I mean, you know, if you want new dirt, you got to pay more than $5, $10, $15. You got to directly PayPal us minimum $70,000 to $90,000. That's how you're going to get the goods.

So if you're listening to this and you have the documents confirming that Casolaro was injected with a nerve agent, just send them to the Guardian because we are not trying to get injected with a nerve agent and then have our wrists cut in a bathtub and be unable to resist. And at this time of recording, none of us are currently suicidal. Okay. But, you know, whenever we finish the recording,

we like to take LSD and hit ourselves in the head just to celebrate another job well done. So if that's what happens to us, I mean, it was natural causes. Hit ourselves in the head about a week or two later. While on a week-long retreat with the government trying to quote diagnose our condition all right uh so we will uh come back with part three uh on the patreon side we will close out

the story of bcci and we'll talk a little bit about some of the other possible conspiracies including the finders cult and the Franklin credits scandal. And with that, this has been Yogi Paywall. All right. Sean P. McCarthy, thanks for listening. Andy Palmer. Steve Jeffers. To quote Montesquieu, power without knowledge is power lost.