Grubstakers - (Patreon Unlocked) Episode 159: The Hearst Family (Part 2) feat. Eli Sairs

Episode Date: May 4, 2021

We continue our profile on the Hearst family beginning with more details on the Hearst that started it all! Rounding out the end of his life with his family tree going to today. The harrowing story of Patricia Hearst and the conspiracies her time with the SLA contains and a look at Fitch from the Paris-based Fimalac in 2006 for $592 million. Fitch is the world’s third-largest credit-ratings firm. Lastly we round out the episode talking about the 2 billionaire heirs William Randolph Hearst the III, John Augustine Chilton Hearst and closing out the episode talking about our favorite MeToo podcast host Chris Hardwick and his wife Lydia Hearst-Shaw that’s right the Nerdist is a Hearst entity. We are once again join by Eli Sairs go follow him and shit.

We'll be right back. I don't like, you know, I don't like what I read about. We are more than just one coin. We create the world around this coin. Cop. Invention. Cop. Cop. The evil has gone. Hello, everyone. Welcome to part two of our Hearst Family Extravaganza. My name is Yogi Pollywalt, and I'm joined by my wonderful co-hosts. Steve Jeffers. Andy Palmer.

Sean P. McCarthy. And with us is our guest, Eli Sayers again. Eli, thanks again. Hey, everybody. Thank you. So as we left off, we were talking about William Hearst and his media empire, his involvement with the Spanish war. And before we get into the entirety of the Hearst legacy, I wanted to quickly go into the Hearst family tree because it's not easy to find. And it took eight different search engines for me to figure it out but finally i came across freesian.com that had the entire hearst family tree and so you

found that through ask jeeves i did i had to go through duck duck go and then through ask jeeves and i finally found the family tree starting with george hearst he went went to Missouri in 1860 to visit his ill mother. And then while he was there, he met a 19-year-old neighbor and distant cousin, Phoebe Aperson, and that became his wife. Her parents, not thrilled about this marriage, but they didn't give a fuck, and they went and got eloped because this dude was rich, and he was like, I want to fuck that teenager. And so George Hearst and Phoebe had a handful of kids, including William Randolph Hearst, who would create the media empire we're talking about right now. He would be married to Millicent Veronica Wilson, and they had five kids, all boys, George Randolph Hearst, William Randolph Hearst Jr., John Randolph Hearst, Randolph Apperson Hearst, and David Whitmer Hearst. William Randolph Hearst would also have a mistress, Marion Davis, as profiled in Citizen Kane and his own life.

And allegedly, they had a daughter together, and that became the Lake family that was in Los Angeles. We don't know if that's true, but their daughter revealed on their deathbed that she was also a Hearst. A Hearst family representative said that she that that was not true. But who fucking knows at this point? And you have the Hearst family going through the United States and taking their empire all around the world with being media empires that control everything in this country that is in print media. Yeah. And, you know, William Randolph Hearst, like we mentioned at the end of the last episode, by the 1920s, one in every four or one in every five Americans read his papers. But he was smart enough to diversify. So he moved from papers into radio. He moved into films,

newsreels shown before films in the 1920s and 30s. So he became, you know, probably the first major media tycoon in America. He had his tentacles everywhere. He had his own film studio. He had a lot of power in the media. He also, he had, I think, five sons and was smart enough to realize they were all a bunch of dipshits. And as we mentioned in the last episode, created this elaborate trust to make sure that his sons

would never be able to control the Hearst empire. The idiot proof his inheritance so that people inherited from him wouldn't fuck it up immediately, or at least in one generation. Did the lady who got told she was a Hearst on her deathbed, did she have, like, a bunch of money before that? I don't think she did, because she was... Oh, dude.

You get told right before you die you're a fucking Hearst? I mean, like, the thing is, is that, like, the Hearst family's like, not son. You ain't a part of us at all. And, I mean, you know, William Randolph hearst fucked marion davis that is true they never divorced and according to some sources people are like well it's because they were catholic and other people were like no it's because his wife never wanted to divorce but i heard i read a thing from a guy that wrote a book on the hearst family and he said that he knew that commenting on personal lives of journalists was frowned upon until it went to the court system.

So if he were to have gotten a divorce with his wife and then end up marrying Marion Davies, then the other newspapers could be like, fuck, fuck William Hearst. This guy got a divorce and has this much money. Not even talking about the fact that he'd have to split up his empire with his then ex-wife if that were to have happened which a lot of good that did him because apparently for the rest of his life that was just kind of the talk of the town was like willie randolph hearst fucking marion dapis and putting her in shitty movies that she couldn't act uh yeah actually that biographer yogi mentions i think it's david nassau he wrote a biography of william randolph hearst if you're interested in the subject, you should certainly read it. I just watched a one-hour interview with him, and he talked a bit about William Randolph Hearst. And, you know, he's a very fascinating character. He's apparently one of the people who coined the term America first, William Randolph Hearst did, because he had a very isolationist kind of foreign policy uh i guess isolationist towards europe he wanted the u.s to annex mexico yeah he believed in you know american empire in asia and south america but he was opposed to world war one he was opposed to world war ii so he kind of became one of these charles limburg isolationist types uh and also interesting fact donald trump has said

that citizen kane is his favorite movie. There's an interview of him talking about it you can watch on YouTube. Well, he has no idea that it's supposed to be a tragedy. Right, right. You're like, oh, that's just a great biopic. The man was a truly great hero.

Like, I mean, I don't know. It just seemed to me like Citizen Kane is my favorite movie is one of those answers you give when you just seemed to me like citizen kane is my favorite movie is one of those answers you give when you just want to look like a smart guy sure who actually sits down and watches it no it's good but yeah if it's your favorite movie you're a fucking dork the uh amount of money that uh william randolph hearst inherited from his dad was around 17 million, according to this McLean's archive about the real William Randolph Hearst from 1906. And I mean, like, you know, that's a fucking dickload of money. Essentially, when, you know, William Randolph

Hearst got kicked out of Harvard, his dad's like, all right, so what do you want to do? You want to fucking go on the ranch? He's like, nah, dad. He's like, you want to be a miner like me? He's like, nah. He's like, I just want the San Francisco uh he put into it and early on he came from the lampoon and then went straight into the examiner so for william randolph hearst he went from like i'm just gonna fucking write jerk off things that liberals in at harvard read to i'm gonna shit on my dad's company and people in san francisco are to eat this shit up. To be honest, to me, he's a hero for not going from Harvard to the comedy place. So William Randolph Hearst has all this media influence we talked about, and I did just want to highlight with this America First stuff, William Randolph Hearst, according to David Nassau, the biographer, he actually paid both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini to be columnists in his newspaper.

It was kind of like the way he explained it is that William Randolph Hearst wanted the American people to know the opinions of European leaders. So he he paid Winston Churchill. He paid David Lloyd George in England to write for his papers to address the American people. He paid some French politicians, but he also paid Hitler and Mussolini to write little columns in Hearst newspapers being like, here's why I believe in this. If you treated them like freelancers and you're like, yeah,

$50. Hitler's like, how the fuck am I supposed to do my taxes now? Yeah. He totally shafts Adolf. Yeah. He's just imagining Hitler's like how the fuck am I supposed to do my taxes now yeah he totally shafts Adolf yeah he's just imagining Hitler being like oh my god it's been six months and I am

still waiting for my hearse check this guy just he's dodging me I'm still waiting for his head from Paste Magazine oh I think it's an Arnold Schwarzenegger impression for hitler okay that's cool what if he ran hitler but he only ran him in better homes and gardens he has him do uh listicles it's like 10 like my 10 favorite uh interwar um flower arrangements also sex it up a bit. Enough about this like Laban's Round stuff.

The Hitler article on best things to feed your dog. Make sure they have a shiny coat. But yeah, also in 1934, Hearst goes to Germany and meets with Adolf Hitler

personally. So he was opposed to U.S. participation in both of the world wars because he viewed that as being a European affair, whereas he thought America should be imperialist towards South America and Asia. And it is interesting, we mentioned on the previous one where Hearst initially supports FDR, but then he turns against FDR to the point where he bankrupts himself because Hearst papers were read by the working class at the time. It is kind of like the New York Post today or the Murdoch papers or whatever you know people going to a construction site or whatever job a factory they read the newspaper and uh they like this kind of tabloid style so his readership the working class by and large supports fdr but hearst goes on a vendetta against fdr and the paper uh absolutely falls

apart in the 1930s because all of his working class readers are like, fuck this guy, we like FDR, to the point where in 1937 he goes bankrupt and has to reorganize and sell off a bunch of his papers, sell off a bunch of his art collection. His campaign against FDR heavily backfires against him. And that's actually part of the downfall portrayed in citizen kane is is that kind of thing and there is one other thing that's interesting that you might see on the internet about uh well not one other thing there's many things that are interesting about william randolph hearst's life but i did want to address this rumor that is that he he shot a director to death in 1924

and then had the murder covered up. Yes, Tom Incey. Because he thought, yes, he thought. So this is a rumor that's existed since that time. Tom Incey was like a film director who died on his yacht in 1924, supposedly of a heart attack. And the rumor was that Hearst shot him because he thought he was Charlie Chaplin, because Charlie Chaplin was having an affair with his mistress. So the rumor is that he shot this guy to death on his yacht at a party and then was so powerful that he could have it reported as a heart attack

and has been covering up the murder to this day. He got away with it because if you kill a filmmaker in 1924, everything was still silent. The gunshot was silent. He published an article with a stupid drawing of a Spanish heart attack gun. A what? And that was basically adequate. Imagine being that director

and just the last moments of your life are confusion when William Randolph Hearst shouts out, how's this you little fucking tramp he uh he knew he didn't shoot charlie chaplin when he blasted the guy in the head and he didn't do a triple somersault backwards yeah he didn't die very goofy my dad was in the real gold rush but yes apparently they made a movie about this called Cat's Meow. But for whatever it's worth, the biographer David Nassau claims he looked into this and couldn't find any evidence for it. But, you know, maybe he's in on the cover up too. I mean, how hard is it to cover up a fucking murder from a megalomaniac in the 30s is when this happened on a yacht?

Come on, bro. That man got murdered by Hearst. Yeah, if you're going to 30s is when this happened on a yacht? Come on, bro. That man got murdered by Hearst. Yeah, if you're going to kill someone, you kill them on a yacht. That's how rich people do it. Needless to say, this is the only murder that supposedly is covered up by Hearst. There are several others that are done by their corporation in terms of what ended up happening because of the things that they would do in their empire, including shit that happened with Patricia Hearst. Right. And so, you know,

this is kind of the waning days of Hearst. As we mentioned, he has to go through this bankruptcy reorganization in 1937. Citizen Kane comes out in 1941. does manage to get it mostly blacklisted it gets snubbed at the Oscars it's got put in a vault but actually his campaign against it kind of backfired because it gave it this timeless reputation

but apparently I guess he was more angry about the portrayal of his mistress than he was about the portrayal of him in the movie that's his mistress than he was about the portrayal of him in the movie. That's what his public story was. But you know he was mad about himself, too. Because he said that it was because of his, whatever this lady's name was. But I think he, I'll bet he cared more about his portrayal, to be honest.

Yeah, I think so. All these motherfuckers got thin skin man yeah and it's not like you know i i read some in some interviews as well that uh hearst william randolph hearst himself didn't really give a fuck about citizen kane but the women around him at the time were like no you got to make sure this movie doesn't come out because of the portrayal of marion davis yeah i mean i don't know man the thing is is that there are so many not conspiracies but theories on why the Hearst family disliked Citizen Kane so much and honestly it's because it portrayed them as they truly are the megalomaniacs that they were to be which were fucking egotistical we own the

media so we own what people read and if that's the case then if you don't believe what we say, then fuck you. And it's kind of crazy to read about this time because the amount of papers that existed don't really make sense to us. Like for our generation now, we think of newspapers. We think of like, you know, three to eight different papers. But back then, there were a lot more options because of the time. Really? I thought there were less options. Yeah, i understand why

hearst didn't want uh citizen kane to come out like it may he's a bad dude and it showed him as a bad dude in the in like the 1870s to 90s that's like known as one of the like the freest periods of the press in terms of like there's lots of different little newspapers uh they're just like serving a bunch of different constituencies they call it the free print generation man that is until hearst started consolidating things a bit right so like i guess he was in every major city except for philadelphia because of some sort of agreement he struck there but like like we said, depending on the figure, by the 1920s, either one in every four or one in every five Americans was reading

a Hearst newspaper. And if you weren't reading it, you were hearing from your friends and family what they read in a Hearst newspaper. And he was having his reporters hound congressmen and senators to the point where he would ask them about whatever his pet policy was and then he would print in his newspaper whether or not they supported or were against it vilify them if they were against it praise them if they supported it so he had a lot of power and a huge amount of influence in addition to all the money um and you know so it goes from there he dies in 1951 he sets up this trust that we mentioned where as long as any grandchild of William Randolph Hearst's is who was alive as of 1951, as long as they're still alive, the Hearst Communications, as it's now known, is controlled by this board of 13 trustees, five from the Hearst family, and eight from Hearst executives. And that still continues to this day.

But I guess we can continue the story with Patty Hearst and some of the other notable members of the family. Actually, real quick, I just want to mention that from this Vanity Fair article on William Randolph Hearst III, the billionaires that exist currently from 85. It mentions that in terms of the trust, this is a quote from the article, the old man had codified his paternal qualms by requiring that the majority of the Hearst Corporation supervising trustees be unrelated to the family. He sheltered his vast wealth in foundations making the family until they bought back equity a

decade ago financially dependent on salaries and expense accounts the company began a decline which didn't reverse until the mid 70s the family slipped into a state of innervation so around the 70s they changed some of those those laws right i mean they're like rich people everywhere where they benefited a lot from um the 70s and then the 80s turned to neoliberalism certainly where just having money is much more advantageous than being a worker and you know the uh the share of national profits that went to labor peaks in the 70s and it has been declining ever since in the United States. But now let's move on to Patty Hearst, although she prefers to be called Patricia. Andy Palmer. Yes, Patricia.

She also, for a brief moment, preferred to be called Tanya. And we'll talk about that in a bit. But, yeah, Patty Hearst, of course, rose to notoriety. She was one of the daughters of of Randy Hearst. I guess that would be Randolph Hearst the second. And he was one of the guys kind of in the intermediary level of the Hurst family. Patty Hurst is the daughter of Randolph Aperson Hurst and Catherine Wood Campbell, who is the, so she's the grand, she's the granddaughter of William Randolph Hurst. Yes. And, um, and so, uh, Patty was

pretty obscure for, uh, at least the beginning of her life because she was kind of just in this mess of Hearst kids. She was more or less at this during her upbringing. It was kind of like the declining shadow of the Hearst empire. Or so it seemed, at least at the time um you know the hearst name was still very popular uh and very well known um and apparently patty had refused to see uh citizen kane she didn't really want to know anything about her family she was sent to uh like catholic boarding school and was kicked out and uh was more or less kind of this rebel who kind of went along to get along in her family and then she went to college at berkeley uh shortly after moving in with her

former math teacher this guy named stephen weed what who yeah she uh she kind of she it's partially she just wanted to piss off her family she had this math teacher uh named steven weed who uh and also they grew pot plants in their apartment sure why not and by all accounts just a condescending pretentious dick uh but she started sleeping with him when she was 17 and he was 23 and then uh yeah when she went to college she just moved in with him and they got engaged and when they got engaged um the san francisco examiner actually take his last name i was gonna say she really pissed off her family in college by abandoning the family tradition of mailing your shit to different professors. I didn't get to that.

So what I'm drawing from mostly here is this book, American Heiress by Jeffrey Tobin, and I didn't get to all of it. But it seems like she got to a point in her life where she may as well have been mailing her shits to Stephen. Wow. They she kind of got the perfect excuse to break it off from him um but when when they uh when they got engaged it was uh in the engagement announcement it mentioned that she was uh attending berkeley and apparently at the time if someone was attending berkeley um uh you could just walk into their administrative office and find their home address. So that's where the Hearst story intersects with this ragtag group of misfits called the Sibionese Liberation Army, which at any given time was somewhere between three and about 17 people.

It was started by this guy, Donald DeFreeze. And I was talking with Yogi the other day, and Yogi, you had read conspiracy theories that they were CIA. Yeah, I mean, during researching the Hearst family, I just kept typing in each member and conspiracy afterwards and the one that came up with Patty Hearst the most was that SLA was a CIA psyop and now hearing that Steve Weed was involved it can only make me feel more comfortable in saying that it seems like the Hearst family found out that their hippie daughter was a hippie

daughter and was like fuck this noise hey CIA can you figure this shit out and they went i mean we got a couple of guys that say that they're a gang a terrorist maybe they can do something i yeah like i couldn't find anything to confirm that they were cia but if i were to create an organization to completely discredit the leftist movement in the United States, it would be the Sibianese Liberation Army. By the time that they kidnapped Patty Hearst, they were all fugitives for the assassination of the Oakland superintendent for public schools. Like an imperialist pig. That'll teach you for Vietnam. Yeah, you thought he was fascist? They literally targeted him

because he was considering implementing school IDs and they thought that that was a fascist move by the superintendent. They're all corporate Democrats now. Wait till they find out about library cards librarians gotta go damn you remember the people insane people on the left

were so much cooler now they would just all identify as pansexuals or something they used to assassinate school superintendents after they after they killed that guy the black panthers denounced them and the weather underground wanted nothing to do with them by the way the um the name sibionese um i'm sorry not from the symbionese Liberation Army is named after the symbiosis of souls getting together. They try to make it sound like it's a country or something, but it has nothing to do with that. Dude, I was being respectful because that picture was a bunch of foreigners. I was like, okay, I want to be nice. But they're just a bunch of fucking white kids uh there was one black guy at the top

and he said that they their movement was uh he was a great african-american leader and then everyone else was uh not black i think i think they're all white i haven't looked at pictures but yeah it was mostly white kids i heard simianese i was like oh what country is that but they're dignified and cultured and geniuses now there's're just one of those dildos. Yeah, no, it was, some of them were like, yeah, middle-class dildos. One of them was like a traumatized Vietnam vet. So they decided, two of them got arrested for killing this guy. Even though the ones who were arrested, like they didn't pull the trigger and so

they decided that in order to bail them out of jail uh what they were going to do is they were going to kidnap a high profile uh person and then make their ransom demand that they release uh the two members who were imprisoned for the for the murder and then they said that their backup plan was uh to demand a boat to cuba their backup plan was a boat to cuba which i think they probably like after all this played out they probably would have had better luck just driving to florida and stealing a boat um yeah weren't they in california yeah they were in cal. At first, they tried to abandon their old hideout by burning it down. And they, here's how competent they were. They failed at burning down their old hideout.

They filled it with gas and gunpowder and set it on fire. But they didn't open any windows. So the fire just snuffed itself out before. And so all of the evidence was in the house. And here's how bad the police fucked it up. They had the lists of people they wanted to kidnap, and that included Patty Hearst. And the police never notified her or her family

when they got through it. Dude, CIA. This is CIA sloppiness all over it. So the army went went to her apartment just uh on some random night and uh they said that oh we hit your car outside can we come in and use your phone and then they just kicked the door in and uh they beat around steven weed with a lead pipe and he basically just ran away he ran out the door um and they took a break between laughing at his last name to wail on him with a lead pipe they uh they barely got patty hurst into a trunk um She almost ran away a couple times. Hold on.

Nah, she looked hotter in this period. If you see those SLA Patty Hearst photos, chick's a babe. Sorry, we didn't mention it earlier, but a lot of people blame William Randolph Hearst for marijuana prohibition. The Hearst Papers would run all these stories

about people on drugs doing violent crimes, you know, people on marijuana, people on cocaine, and crimes, you know, people on marijuana, people on cocaine. And then the Congress passes this law that schedules and outlaws all these different drugs, cocaine, heroin, marijuana. And some people say it was because Hearst had investments that he didn't want competing against industrial hemp. Right. You know, and again, the biographer that I listened to the interview of, he says this he couldn't find any any solid evidence for this. But I did just want to highlight that that possibly Patty Hearst was rebelling against her grandfather's marijuana prohibition by dating a man named Weed and growing her own pot. to make her dad mad but she wasn't willing to go she was too racist to fuck a black guy so she just found someone with uh the last name weed like this is bad

yeah so apparently while she was in captivity by the uh uh symbionese liberation army her fiance said on the radio oh she's pretty you know the prettiest of any of the hearse daughters but then none of them are raving beauties. She's a bright girl, too. Not brilliant, of course, but reasonably bright. She's a simple girl. The simple things please her. She rarely got angry, and then it would be all over in a few minutes.

She has a very good character, too. He said that while she was imprisoned but allowed to watch all the media coverage is that billy 420 who was that yeah that was billy that was steven weed wow steven weed's bringing some serious dudes rock energy yeah i guess my uh kit kidnapped fiance who's in mortal danger i guess she's okay i mean she's like not good looking or smart but she's all right she's standing right next to him he actually turned out to be the grandfather uh of tucker max he was also staying with the hearst family during um the time that

she was kidnapped and then would go to the media and talk about what rich assholes they were. Nice. That's some pimp shit right there. So immediately after she was kidnapped, the Hearst family decided that they were going to pull out the big guns and they turned to psychics to try to find her. Psychics? They went tarot cards instead of fucking credit cards? Yeah. The first one they went to was a self-declared was the self-declared world's foremost psychic peter herkos

and uh they brought one of patty hurst shirts to him and he said that the spirits told him that patty hurst was being held near a large body of water, probably in a beach community. And she was abducted in San Francisco, you know, on the coast. So that was a lot of help. Then they got a second source who was the psychic named Helen Tolley. And the FBI actually embraced her as a source and tried to, like, use her to help them solve the kidnapping because they they had no fucking idea what they were doing uh so helen totally asked for uh weeds bloody shirt this steven weeds bloody shirt from the night of the kidnapping and then she was placed in a trance

by her psychiatrist and she said that she saw the kidnappers driving north in a great hurry and in reality after they kidnapped her, they drove south. And then she said that she could make out the license plate numbers because in her trance, she had infrared glasses that allowed her to see in the dark. And she gave out a series of letters and numbers that were supposedly the license plate of the car. They got a third psychic who actually lived in the hearst house so he could feel patty's vibrations in the house and that guy was eventually just kicked out that guy's a king i love this guy the most you want me to find your kidnapped daughter i need to live in her house for a little bit if that's cool with you i heard you guys got a castle that y'all live in in san simeon

if i could just hang out there. I'm feeling this energy in this hot tub. Yeah, yeah. I'm channeling her spirit through this Picasso painting. I need the Picasso. And could I get some works by Goya? I think she's inhabiting Goya right now. This is a sitcom premise.

And then there was a fourth psychic that wasn't brought in by the family, but the FBI, who basically got the FBI to pay him to drive him around San Francisco to look for the, quote, blue Pontiac that Patty Hearst was arrested in. The FBI hired a psychic. Yeah. Yeah, they went with two of these psychics. Wait, what year is this again? This was, I think, 1974, maybe 1973. Yeah. Okay, because they, I mean, the FBI and the CIA were into, like, weird, like, occult shit.

And, like, you know, they wanted to see if you could read minds and stuff. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. They were, oh, could read minds and stuff. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. They were. Oh, yeah. With MKUltra. Yeah. It's bullshit. But it's also understandable that they might think that this this psychic was like for real, especially in San Francisco during the 60s and 70s.

You know, LSD being hot on the market. The government's use of that was like it could be a truth telling drug. And so for the fbi to be like we're gonna get a psychic and i like that the last psychic just was going to do detective work okay let's drive around until we find this pontiac yeah the lsd thing that will fucking johnny weed has a cousin named robert acid they were all i mean at the time the fbi was also completely useless at solving crimes because they were devoting all at the time the fbi was also completely useless at solving crimes because they were devoting all of their resources to killing black leaders and so like and that's

also that tells you how low on the priority like or how how low on the um totem pole the uh symbionese liberation army was that they had no idea who these guys were and they were already like fugitives for killing that uh the fbi had a lot of they had a lot going on they had no idea who these guys were and they were already like fugitives for killing that. The FBI had a lot of they had a lot going on. They had to write all those warnings for VHS tapes coming up. Look, we're going to have our crack specialists on this case as soon as they're done murdering Fred Hampton. They just wrapped up the MLK hit. They're going to take care of this.

No problem. We just need a week or two. They wanted to kill John Lennon or some shit, right? I don't know about that. Yeah. When they're the government, then the government hate John Lennon. Oh, probably. That's what I've heard.

There are some people, I think, who think that the big, you know, when he got pranked, like shot. Oh, that's right a FBI or government. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy that killed him and blamed, what was the fucking book, Catcher in the Rye, that that guy was just a fucking FBI or CIA agent as well. I don't know. I mean, the fact that he blamed Catcher in the Rye has always been suspect to me, but I didn't make the connection. But sure, I mean, a guy that's promising peace to human beings.

He thought John Lennon was a great big phony. make the connection but sure i mean a guy that's promising uh peace uh to human he thought john lennon was a great big phone i think i think the policy of this podcast should be we should assume all assassinations are carried out by the cia until proven otherwise like you should have to show us compelling evidence that the cia did not kill john lennon well they didn't they like they thought his music was wasn't there a period where the cei whatever they uh they fucking were listening to like music and shit like oh there's secret like anti-american shit in here i don't know that probably you could be sounds mk ultra it really could be something i just assumed i think I think John Lennon was killed more by Gal Gadot than she was

by John Hinckley Jr. But that was like a Charles Manson thing. He thought the Beatles were going to set off the race war, and he was probably an MKUltra experiment guy. Charles Manson. Oh yeah, Charles Manson had, well that book Chaos actually

does a good job in connecting Manson to some of the mk ultra um shit that's a whole other rabbit hole um so the the simbionese liberation army they immediately realized that they could not get their uh fellow members out of prison and so they just started directing their demands at randy hurst And initially they called for 400 million in food distribution from Randy Hurst. And he realized that he they found out very quickly about this trust situation where Randy Hurst didn't actually have access to much spending money because of his famous father. And so he had to scrounge around and he managed to get 200 million to create People in Need Foundation, which, I mean, as much as we're making fun of the Symbian Liberation Army, their direct action did actually lead to thousands of people getting free meals. That's so great.

Killing the fucking superintendent. It's all part of the 12D chess, baby. You got to trust the plan. Trust the Symbian Liberation Army. You got to trust the plan. Trust the symbiosis liberation army. You're giving them free lunch. Sounds like you're trying to tell them what to do, you dictator. That was the that was actually which was set up to provide free meals uh to people throughout the state of california uh which was the demand of the uh symbian liberation army can we please have someone kidnap ivanka to do the same program in the united states today

especially right now just fucking kidnap ivanka and then tell trump hey if you don't fucking pay people their goddamn coronavirus checks, give us Medicare for all, then we're going to imprison Ivanka forever. It would work. And this is a comedy program, and that is a parody statement, even if it's a great idea. Let's check the IP addresses on the Patreon to see if any of them link up with the Secret Service offices in dc so immediately after this foundation was uh set up uh both jim jones and the nation of islam walked into the offices asking if they could be the ones

to distribute food wow and um they actually because it was such like a seat of their pants operation they hired this woman by the name of sar Jane Moore, who later attempted to assassinate Gerald Ford. Like for fun or she was instructed to? I think it was just for funsies, but she was stopped, you know, because he kept going. So they made a bunch of food boxes and stamped them with the S logo which was a seven-headed cobra uh the seven heads were for the uh seven tenants of kwanzaa that's true and um the they did their first distribution which was in four locations and it went very smoothly in three of those locations but the fourth one erupted into a riot oh really uh where a bunch of people got the shit beaten

out of them one lady lost an eye and ended up suing uh both the hearst family and the city of oakland for a million dollars wow um and then later ones ended up going smoothly but in response to this uh a bunch of republicans thought that uh randy hearst was being weak by submitting to the terrorist demands of the Symbian Liberation Army. And at a private luncheon in D.C. for influential Republicans, Reagan quipped, it's just too bad we can't have an epidemic of botulism. Jesus.

Yeah. I love when you call him Randy Hurst. That kind of like takes his power away. Yeah. Like Randolph Hurst sounds like kind of takes his power away. Randolph Hurst sounds like you own a bunch of newspaper companies. Randy Hurst sounds like you own a chain of roller skate rinks. Yeah, Randy Hurst certainly owns a bowling rink in this country right now.

And yeah, the fourth one went Haywire and all those people. That's why he wasn't good at comedy, dude. That's the rule of threes, man. Come on. The third one went haywire and all of those people. That's why he wasn't good at comedy, dude. That's the rule of threes, man. Come on. The third one. The third one goes haywire and the woman loses the eye. That's right. I think that the woman lost an eye is hilarious, but you don't do it in the fourth one.

You fucking amateur. Poor timing. Fucking roll a fours ass bitch so um at this time uh patty underwent a transformation um after she was kidnapped they stuck her in a closet uh with a blindfold because she didn't they didn't want her to see their faces um and she kind of assumed that they were gonna kill her and so she basically starved herself for a while. And slowly she kind of got to know her captors. They, they were mostly just talking at her and while they kept her in captivity, they gave her this book by a prison rights activist by the name of George

Jackson called blood in my eye. And because it was like her only thing to read, she read it and she, there, there was kind of this communication between the SLA and the Hearst family. Like they would do these big kind of press conferences outside their house. And then the SLA would mail in a tape with their responses and new demands, things like that. And they would have Patty Hearst also record messages. And over the course of a couple of months,

she became more and more radicalized by them. Well, at first she told her mom to stop wearing black at the press conferences because she was like, stop mourning me. I'm not dead. Apparently she hated her mother. And then not long after that, she actually said in one of the thing in one of her recordings, I've been reading a book by George Jackson called Blood in My Eye. I'm starting to understand what he means when he talks about fascism in America. It's when a guy gives you a D on your math paper oh yeah another thing about steven wheat is he was so

obsessed with uh proving that he wasn't intimidated by the hearse that while he was fucking patty he flunked her sister in math oh wow do you know which sister she had she had uh four uh i think it was like vicky or veronica okay yeah. She, incidentally, Patricia Hearst is the middle child, and we'll touch on this more later, but her daughter, Lydia Hearst Shaw, eventually marries a famous podcaster. Yeah, her daughter has a pretty awesome sauce life right now. It's me. I'm the podcaster.

Yeah. Lock the gates. Killing it. Like the Citizen Kane, like those gates in the fucking... killing it during this time she was also raped by one possibly two members of the SLA the way the story goes is that everyone in the SLA

was fucking everyone else and at one point they brought her into one of their little house meetings and was like hey uh uh willie over here well he was called kujo which is even scarier they're like kujo wants to fuck you and she was so starved and weak that and she was afraid that they would kill her if she said no that she was like uh okay and then um yeah, that happened. And yeah. Still less sex crimes than the DSA, though. And so after about two months in captivity, she's kind of decided to just go along to get along with the SLA.

And she took everyone there had a code name. So she took the name Tanya, uh, which was named after Che Guevara's, uh, German Argentine Conrad, Haiti, Tamara, Bunker, Biter, which is really full circle for the Spanish American war.

Uh, that set in to, um, set into motion, the events that led to the Cuban revolution and, uh, brought Che Guevara to prominence. And so then,

uh, now Patty hurst is taking the name tanya after one of the figures of that uh she started helping the sla make bombs which they're they're it's it seems pretty clear that they were a bunch of dipshits so it was probably just a bunch of molotovs um and then uh she iconically took part in a bank robbery on April 15th, 1974, uh, where she was photographed by the security cameras, yelling commands to people to get on the floor, uh, while they were robbing the bank. And there were even two bystanders who wandered into the bank and got shot and wounded, uh,

during the robbery. Wow. Uh, it doesn't, i couldn't find any confirmation uh but she she did fire a gun later uh there she was going to a sporting goods store with a couple of other sla members and one of them was just trying to um uh pocket some shit at the store and a security guard caught him and so the member like showed his gun and the security card immediately handcuffed his hands and so to distract him patty hearst started shooting at the sign uh with her m1 carvine and that helped her

friends get away and then apparently the um the guy the security guard uh tried to shoot at her since she returned she got in a shootout with the manager of a sporting goods store um yeah and then she helped them hijack a car uh abducted the owners of the car so now she's not only like uh a captive but now she's abducting people it's kind of a johnny gosh thing um yeah but when she was uh issuing commands to the bank employees did they obey them just because they thought she owned the place ma'am our manager will be here in a second she used her her superpowers and then during that hijacking um the cops actually found the sla headquarters

and had a shootout with them and killed six members basically the core of the sibianese liberation army they all got shot to death not kujo yeah yeah kujo was killed um kujo's down yeah down kujo down and down they put kujo down they took him out back round winning kill yeah here's the thing stephen king doesn't remember any of that he was so blasted on quaaludes and and then later this happened in May. She became a fugitive and was arrested in San Francisco on September 18th, 1975. And when she was arrested, she listed her occupation as urban guerrilla. And so she was sentenced actually to seven years in prison. Her sentence was commuted by jimmy carter and then uh bill clinton

actually pardoned her for good 2001 uh and that's when uh the the her her plea was basically this is when the kind of stockholm syndrome thing came out and there's truth to it like she was kidnapped she was really going along to get along you know to um she was afraid for her life for a lot of it um there was no concerted effort to actually brainwash her uh it was concluded because she was like the people who kidnapped her were pretty much too dumb to brainwash her like they just kind of talked at her and gave her all the books that they had sitting around to read. She's not trying to get raped again. Yeah, not trying to get raped again.

Yeah. And in fairness to Patty Hearst, she's not the first or the last left wing heiress to identify as an urban gorilla. And so she kind of like rebuilt her life after that and kicked kicked Stevie Weed to the curb. And changed her last name to Harding, and we all know the rest. And from that Frisian website, it says that Stephen Wood faded into history. It says in this thing that he was a philosophy student, but Andy says it's a math teacher. No, he was a math teacher. Her new husband, Bobby Psilocybin.

He was, when she moved in with him He went back to grad school to get his PhD In philosophy Well after that incident math doesn't serve you nearly as much As philosophy does What does this all mean man Apparently when they were living together and she started college She was like yeah you know I was thinking of becoming a veterinarian

And he's like no you're not You can't handle the math Please tell me He fell in with like Nick Land a veterinarian and he's like no you're not you're not you can't handle the math please please tell me please tell me he fell in with like nick land and like the the accelerationist people maybe i mean just everything the guy says he's just a huge dick moving on from uh patty hearst and her time with the sla let's now talk about the Hearst Media Empire from this era to now and exactly what they do and how they do it.

Stephen? So the company is called Hearst Communications nowadays or it's often just referred to as Hearst in like financial times when I was looking through. The core business is still mass media and it's completely private they have stick like ever you know ever since their yellow media yellow journalism days uh they've basically stuck with like a core print uh media and tell now television um they have some like business media applications companies uh they have a 50 they have a 50 stake with uh they have a stake in verizon

uh that they actually made into a spininoff company called Verizon Hearst media partners. Uh, so yeah, media is like the core of their business. They have revenue revenue from 2016 was 10.8 billion. Wow. Um,

it's grown into just a, an international behemoth. So this is in combination with their ESPN and their other holdings that they share with Disney? Yes. One thing that I found that we didn't mention previously was that Cosmopolitan, the movie production company that William Randolph Hearst ran, eventually would partner with MGM and MGM would absorb Cosmopolitan. And one of the reasons they did that was because the media exposure Cosmopolitan, the movie production company had, was benefiting MGM so much. So they were splitting costs for the directors and actors and so on and so forth. But MGM made bank in the fact that the entire media empire that Hearst had was saying, hey, go check out MGM shit.

Yeah. As far as its ESPN stake, on November 8th, 1990, Hearst Corporation acquired the remaining 20% stake of ESPN Inc. from RJR Nabisco for a price of about $165 million. The other 80% had been owned by Walt Disney Company since 1996. Over the last 25 years or so, their ESPN investment is said to have accounted for at least 50% of total Hearst Corp profits and is worth about $13 billion. Wow. The overall Hearst Communications company has revenue in like the low 10 billions and they have about 20 000 employees and uh just to quickly list off their divisions so they have hearst television hearst magazines hearst ventures hearst business media hearst entertainment and

syndication the core hearst newspapers business, and then a partnership with Verizon. And they've also recently acquired some non-mass media holdings, like they acquired Fitch Ratings. Well, they started to acquire a stake in Fitch Ratings, the securities ratings company in 2006. And then just in 2018, they took complete control of it. So they're the whole owner of Fitch Ratings right now. Yeah. And Fitch Ratings is a pretty fascinating company, though I did just want to say, you know, I mean, more Americans should be aware of that. You know, this William Randolph Hearst, this Citizen Kane guy, you're financially supporting his descendants when you turn on ESPN. A&E, another example, major parts of the US economy are just based around putting a check in these people's pockets because they accumulated capital from slavery and killing

minors and yellow journalism. Hearst, he just like, he won. Oh yeah. He just fucking won. And kids... Like we're still paying his fucking kids? Like there's no justice. There is zero fucking justice. Fitch Ratings Agency, I'll just spend five minutes, his fucking kids like there's no justice there is zero fucking justice fitch ratings agency uh

i'll just spend five minutes uh you know i'd love to follow up on this on a future episode because the the the ratings agencies are very fascinating to me in terms of both the 2008 financial crisis and what we're going into now with coronavirus uh because in the united states you have what are called the big three ratings agencies these are fitchitch, S&P, and Moody's. And so what you had with the 2008 financial crisis is these big three ratings agencies were giving all of these mortgage-backed securities, which, you know, if you've seen the Big Short or whatever, you know they're all just full of fraud and garbage and worthless products. The big three ratings agencies were giving all of these triple a ratings which according to the wall street journal a security should be rated triple a if it can survive the great depression uh and so you know um uh according

to the wall street journal s&p uh paid a 1.5 billion dollar settlement with the feds over this. Moody's settled for $864 million. Fitch actually only settled with some local jurisdictions. Apparently, they settled with King County, Washington, had been investing in products that were certified by Fitch, and they had to settle out of court over that. But what's fascinating about just kind of the private model of ratings agencies and how this all works out is the Senate report on the 2008 financial crisis and the book All the Devils Are Here talks about how the ratings agencies kind of compete with each other in order to get the best rating for their products. So, you know, this is what happens is that a bank will put together a security, which will have a bunch of loans in it, whether these are mortgages or corporate debt or whatever else. And then they'll go to each ratings agency and they'll say, hey, what can you give this? Can you give this a triple A rating? Can you give this a triple a rating can you give this a triple b rating and so what you have um uh according to like a bunch of people have talked

about this or just quoting one email sent in the lead up to the 2008 financial crisis a banker uh an investment banker who was shopping this product emailed a guy at S&P Ratings and said, quote, heard your ratings could be five notches back of Moody's equivalent. Going to kill your residential biz. May force us to do Moody Fitch only. And what he's saying there is he's emailing this S&P guy and saying, if you don't increase your rating on this mortgage-backed security we're putting together. We're going to go to Moody's and Fitch instead. And these things are all paid on commission. So you get this, like, weird arms race between the three of them, the big ratings agencies, where they only make money if they grade these Wall Street securities,

and these Wall Street securities are more profitable if they're higher rated. So they're all competing with each other to pretend this shit is all AAA when it's just pure garbage. And so this causes the 2008 financial crisis. It supposedly gets fixed, but it doesn't get fixed at all. And it's actually a big factor in the current crisis where you have the Wall Street Journal article I was quoting from is written in 2019, August. It's called inflated bond Bond Ratings Help Spur the Financial Crisis. They're back. And they look at how what happened is their solution, the U.S. government's solution, was to try to promote three other competitor rating agencies to the big three.

But the thing is, these three other competitor ratings agencies, in order to get market share started uh lowering their standards to increase ratings so in order to get market share back the big three also started lowering their standards so you know they talk about the commercial mortgage-backed securities and how um fitch uh saw uh fitch ratings saw their growth in market share of the commercial mortgage-backed securities market, which is about $1.2 trillion. They saw a major growth in their market share in 2016 after giving itself wider latitude to use easier ratings assumptions. The firm was hired by every multi-borrower CMBS deal in the second half of 2016, up from 80% market share during the second half of 2015. So what happened with Fitch is that they, again, relaxed their standards to give higher ratings to these commercial mortgage products,

and they get a bigger and bigger market share. And so, you know, I'm sorry to be long-winded on all this, but it is fascinating to me that what we have now with the Federal Reserve buying up junk bonds and everything else, you know, spending $4.5 trillion, they're going to have all what they call safe products that they can take as collateral as loans or that the Fed can just directly buy. They're going to have to say these things have to be AAA or BBB rated or whatever. Well, who's rating them? It's the big three firms. They're all getting paid on commission to rate the things. So, you know, it's just like, it's all just a massive bailout of garbage debt at the taxpayer's expense or with the public money that nobody

knows is going on because nobody knows about these incentives and how these things get rated yeah so since hearst now controls fitch ratings um whatever is happening whatever ends up happening with some of this so-called investment grade debt the stuff that's rated triple a um through this fast-moving um financial that we're about to go into, I mean, that's on the Hearst family. Ultimately, the bucks should stop with them. Like if we had lived in a world with accountability. So one of these, however you feel about rating corporate debt and how important is that for making investment decisions, it is a fact that those ratings actually, those are used as benchmarks to look at the relative riskiness of a whole bunch of other different types of debt on the market and um just like in 2008 um you can have collateralized debt obligations

that are full of crap but then the when you they think like well if a few of them are bad that's okay because overall it's a triple a and like uh something very similar uh could be playing out with that with corporate debt right now so right and um and just according to the wall street journal article i was quoting from um according to a study by two academics uh of 2488 securities rated between 2009 and 2014 moody's s&p and Fitch responded to increased competition by issuing higher ratings. From the study, competition among credit rating firms have, if anything, reduced the quality of credit ratings. And this could be done by a public agency or a non-profit, but we just have this weird idea that competition is somehow going to improve the thing instead of just driving the standards to the bottom based on the incentives.

Yeah, that's a terrible system. Yeah. Sean, why are you hard? It says here in 2019, they rated the Global Cuddle Room and Cough Symposium AAA saying it is the perfect business perfect startup and it will never fail these guys really say that about uh the uh yeah fire fest yeah these guys rated fire fest eight out of ten so wow yeah they didn't actually do that.

Yeah, and just two other things I want to note real quick. The Federal Reserve and the federal government really do support these three big lenders. They have a massive subsidy from the feds. According to Richard Blumenthal writing in 2011, the Federal Reserve set up the term asset-backed securities loan facilities. And the Federal Reserve required that asset-backed securities serving as loan collateral in this $1 trillion fund be rated by two or more, quote unquote, major nationally recognized statistical ratings agencies. Under the Federal Reserve's definition, the only credit rating agencies deemed major are the big three. So in

English, the Federal Reserve is spending $1 trillion at this facility and saying, we can only use it on products that are rated by at least two of the big three. So they're getting a fat commission on all of the three. Yes. So that creates even more demand for the writing agency's quote-unquote products, because they're just basically getting a subsidy from the government to go and whatever they deem is triple B or better is suddenly that much more valuable. Right. And the big three can't fail because they were all looking at Enron and looking at WorldCom and saying, this is AAA, this is fine stuff. And then they passed a reform act in Congress that didn't do anything. Then they looked at the mortgage-backed securities. They said, this is all AAA, passed reformed act, didn't do anything. And then now today you have all of this debt that was supposedly AAA, but it's just junk bonds or, you know, defaulting corporate debt or defaulting commercial mall

mortgages. That is just garbage. And that's just being bailed out by the public in front of everybody's faces. So they have a totally subsidized business model. And last thing I want to say is there is a Jeffrey Epstein connection to Fitch. Oh, really? Just according to WallStreetOnParade.com, Pam Martins and Russ Martins, writing July 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was, until I believe 2007, the chairman of a company called Liquid Funding LTD. Fitch looked at Liquid Funding LTD, and quoting from Wall Street on Parade, they said that Liquid Funding LTD could issue liabilities

of up to $20 billion of commercial paper. Both Moody's and Fitch gave medium-term notes issued by Liquid Funding a AAA rating, as well as gave it a AAA rating as a counterparty. So again, Moody's and Fitch looked at this company that I think was incorporated in Bermuda in 2000. Jeffrey Epstein was the chairman, and they said, this thing is a AAA. It can get up to $20 billion. It's good for $20 billion in liabilities. Nobody has any idea where any of the money in it came from. And as a result of this Moody's and Fitch AAA rating on Jeffrey Epstein's company, it almost certainly got a massive bailout in the 2008 financial crisis. Nobody on this board of directors will be strangled with an electrical cord in their prison cell. explains later that all outstanding debts of liquid funding have been taken care of so like

we don't know for sure but it probably got something like like i mean maybe somebody else paid it off but it's just as likely that because it was linked to bear stearns as was jeffrey epstein and bear stearns was getting all this fed money throughout uh up until its collapse it's very probable that jeffrey epstein got a six billion dollar loan or bailout from the federal reserve because of fitch ratings agency damn damn he got a triple a rating yes he did so jeffrey epstein he knows the rule of three for him that means you only fuck people who are three yeah it's just not funny anymore when it's four i was thinking today about like because woody allen and jeffrey epstein hang out

hung out a lot like what a woody allen Woody Allen Jeffrey Epstein movie would be like. Just like, jazzy black and white intro with, oh, I'm so neurotic. I have three massages and then my analyst. Woody, you're a nice guy. You're a pretty fun dude. I don't see what these proms are all about. That's my Epstein. Now, when President Clinton

and I were in the dungeon together, he said, no, you. But I'm pretty sure he said it like, no Jew. No Jew? So, to round out this episode on the Hearst family and their empire, we're going to finish by talking about two

of the billionaire heirs today and some dirt that is more conspiracy than it is dirt, but hear me out, ladies and gentlemen. Firstly, we're going to talk about John Augustine Austin Hurst, or as I like to call him, Ja. This gentleman is worth $1.9 billion, and from what he does for a living, some people say he's a film producer,

but the only film he's produced is The Vow from 2012 with Channing Tatum and rachel mcadams you guys know about this movie this is uh rachel mcadams goes into a fucking coma and then uh and then wakes up and then channing tatum's like babe you're awake i'm your husband she's like i don't know you and then channing tatum's like oh my wife she doesn't know me and i love her and i remember when i saw the trailer for this in 2002, I said out loud, Channing Tatum, that's just what it's like to be unattractive. To love someone and have them not love you back. B Bibliography, he's listed as mystery, miscellaneous, and crew for Betty Boop's Hollywood Mystery in 1989, Beat Bailey's 1989, Popeye and Son 1987.

So it seems like he was like, dad or mom or uncle or aunt, I want to work in a movie. And they went like, fuck it, go be a fucking stage head in this bullshit. But there's not much other information about John Augustine Hearst. Actually, he's also got Chilton in his fucking name. These fucking names are so stupid. This guy's name is John Augustine Chilton Austin in a process for his Hearst. Fucking idiots.

But this man, he began as a board of directors at the Hearst Corporation in 1990, and he's also a vice president of special projects for Hearst Entertainment and Syndication, the group responsible for ESPN Lifetime A&E and History. So similar to a lot of his other siblings and rest of his family, all of the Hearsts seem to suck at life and then fall back on just working for the family company like even william r hearst from day one gets kicked out of harvard for being a dipshit

and his dad's like all right we're rich what do you want to do and literally that has not stopped for over a hundred years um in this profile off of people people pill.com, it says that Hearst is the founder and chairman and CEO of Chestnut Holding LLC, a private equity and agriculture development company. He partnered with architect Philip Stark. I don't know. He's done some dumb shit, basically. He's also known for doing philanthropy. And there's really not much other information about this individual. Now, he is not the main benefactor of the Hearst

wealth. That, gentlemen, is William R. Hearst III, because you got to give the money to the third, not this jaw kid. And William R. Hearst III, his network is $2.3 billion dollars and according to this profile on william randolph hearst the third uh from vandy fair that we've we've mentioned a few times he kind of doesn't like being a rich kid he doesn't mind but he's really more obsessed with math and doing chess he doesn't really give a fuck i mean from this profile it has him being kind of a miscreant. Hurst, if you're listening, if you can defeat Andy at chess, we will delete this episode. One thing, another note from the book is that during Patty Hurst, during her kidnapping, William Randolph Hurst III was seen by the family as the cool Hearst who could understand the counterculture movement and was regularly consulted by the family in negotiations with the Symbionese Liberation Army.

They just go into like one of the 27 rooms in their mansion that reeks of marijuana. You have to get in the mind of the kidnappers. Going back for a moment when it comes to William Randolph Hearst III, one thing I did find out about him is he went to the Canterbury School, one of Connecticut's elite boarding schools. Hey, Sean, how about you stop by real quick? In an article, which was about their centennial because they turned 100, they talked about the most notable alumni from the past 10 decades. And on this list, including William Randolph Hearst III, the venture capitalist, the trustee of Hearst Trust, class of 1967.

You also have Kofor Black, the vice chairman of Blackwater USA, class of 1968. Thomas Riley, the U.S. ambassador to Morocco Morocco class of 1968 as well and it also and lastly mentions honorable mention Paris Hilton though Hilton never graduated from the Canterbury school she was part of the school's women's ice hockey team for a portion of her time from another article it talks about how Paris Hilton was essentially exactly how she was in high school, in that she was mostly adult. She was mostly seen in night vision. Hey, look, you can joke, but that video, that's my citizen.

That was good. From this Newstimes article onis hilton and canterbury the uh the the school's director of finance and development said she cut a wide swath then as she does now you might say she was like a skyrocket that burst across Canterbury Hill. I mean, I don't know. You know, let's be honest here. This school sounds like a fucking playground for rich kids, and they'll eventually get jobs doing fucking anything they want. So the school doesn't really give a fuck what they do. From a San Francisco film interview with William Randolph Hearst III. He talks about how he loves Citizen Kane and

apparently people that meet him are like, oh, you should hate it because you're a Hearst. He's like, no, that shit's great. And he mentions at one point that when he was a kid, because the interviewer asks, did your family ever talk about it? And he mentions Marion Davis as well as Citizen Kane were never mentioned in his family. Once

a family member mentioned the name MD and he thought there was would never mention his family. Once, a family member mentioned the name M.D., and he thought there was a doctor in the family. But he does mention that at one point, this is quoting from that San Francisco interview, one bizarre instance when he was in the car with his parents as they arrived at a gate, and Hearst's father, William Randolph Hearst II,

showed his ID to the guard, and the guard said, Oh, you're Bill Hearst. I love that movie about you. And his dad was like pissed. He's like, no, it's not actually about me. Get the hell out of here. And so he picked up that discomfort as a kid. He also says like the Xanadu from Citizen Kane was all wrong. From his recollection, Hearst Castle was light with white stones, a party place. And it's like, if you've seen any footage of Hearst Castle, it's like the most megalomaniac, I want to be European, but I'm not in Europe, fucking jizz dream of an orgy that is a building.

First of all, that castle was in color. That is true. His recollection was in color. After Ted Turner got the right. We haven't discussed this that much, but William Randolph Hearst had several properties and yachts, and this was his magnum opus of property. Incidentally, he did not get all of his father's inheritance until his mom died in 1919. And with that money, he started building this house. He was like, oh, mom's dead. I can fucking build my house now.

Everything in the house is like a piece of art that he, I mean, you know, he bought, but like the motherfucker was robbing people. Like he talks about the like center um uh what the fuck it's above a fireplace the mantle in like one of the biggest living room being from a guy that committed suicide i think it was uh something barney a very uh rich uh new york uh guy and he committed suicide and then hearst was like i'm buying his fucking mantle and shipping it to California. He bought it from some nice German art dealers who were friends of one of his former writers. When it comes to this property of Hearst Castle, they had about 120,000 acres

and they gave 40,000, it might have been 50,000 acres of it to the Californian government and created like a wildlife foundation type of situation and the California government now pays the Hearst family for that land and the Hearst Castle

and the additional 80,000 acres that the Hearst family owns are now part of like protected wildlife domain and shit. So in between San francisco and los angeles if you see like a large patch of area that doesn't seem to develop that much it's because the hearse own all that fucking shit but going back wait california still pays them for it yeah i believe that well so it's a state park now because the castle itself is a museum and so

to operate you know whatever money they're making through that i believe it uh it's split between the i don't know don't call me on this uh listeners and other hosts but they were paid a one-time thing in early 2000s for about 25 million i don't know if they keep making money off of it from now but at one point california went you know how you have all that land uh here's some money and we won't make it so anyone can ever tear it down. Incidentally, one of... And 20 episodes are going to be like, can you remember what Yogi fucking said about the financial agreement between California State and Hearst Properties? God, that was even more fucked up than when Sean went to Connecticut in the middle of a pandemic.

Incidentally... Misinforming our listeners is such an atrocious sin one of the properties that william randolph hearst had was in mexico and it was a similar mansion to the castle it wasn't the same but it was also a mansion but at one point the mexican government was like you don't fucking own this shit and i just love how boss that is that the mexican government was like uh he's not there right now looks like that's our fucking mansion so with william randolph hearst the third now uh he went to harvard he didn't like being rich uh his roommate just yeah his roommate describes that, you know, when he lived with Hearst III, there was like a used mattress on the floor, math books lying around, a chess set, and an alarm clock from the ceiling swing from the chandelier.

A part of this is because I couldn't find much information on this, but at one point in this Vanity Fair archive, it mentions that hearst the third had a vip pass tour to vietnam and so i don't know what her saw as a college student but i guess that with his family's connections he had a fucking frontline visual to what was going on in vietnam and that kind of radicalized him to be like fuck everything i think um because it's you see fucking straight murder like that and your family's like making money from it you know a person's got to have a conscience somewhere and i don't know where fucking hearst the third's conscious really is but he graduates from harvard in 1972 with an ab degree in mathematics um and he spent a few years as employee at the Hearst Corporation.

He would become an editor and publisher of the SF Examiner, which was in their family. Oh, also, from that Vanity Fair article, it talks about at one point, he leaves the Hearst Corporation, and he's like, I'm gonna fucking be my own man. They're like, okay. And Rolling Stone decides to pay him.

The Jan Wenner at Rolling Stone rolling stone goes okay we're gonna pay you to write for us and we want you to create a magazine called outside which is like an outdoors magazine which in the late 70s would seem like a new concept and you know hearst the third had like uh he was a he rode a motorcycle he was an airplane pilot he was a horseman so like none of the other writers had experience with outdoor shit so they were like this guy fucking knows what he's kind of doing to quote the article it says none of us had any experience really says Terry

McDonald who came on as a senior editor we had walked around in the woods stoned once or twice and also another individual part of this was Jack Ford son of the former president was made assistant to the publisher of Outside. So this magazine was literally rich kids that didn't have anything better to do. And later on, Hearst III would argue against cuts in personals, pages, colors, and how often the magazine would come out. And Wenner was in Cuba on vacation at one point and he

came back. Yeah, he was on vacation in Cuba and he came back and fucking Hearst had made all these changes making it so that the magazine only comes out once every other month. And he was like, what the fuck? So he fired him and then William Randolph Hearst would then go back to his family's company. Sorry, you're right that it's like such a rich kid magazine because like rich kids are the only people who grew up like fascinated by like wow what's outside like right

exotic concept outside it's like the subreddit or outside so he would become the president of the william randolph hearst foundation in early 2003 i mean basically falling up failing upwards if you ask me outside magazine is also kind of like if you're rich enough it's just a catalog of everything you can shoot i mean eli's right though only fucking deer bear hikers rich kids are the only ones that have the fucking capital to be like oh how do you properly operate a horse outside?

Well, you got to do all this shit because none of us fucking know that shit because we've never been rich enough to become equestrians in our life. Yeah, no one's. I'm not trying to fucking walk on a glacier with a spiky ass. Yeah. He has one son, William Dayless Hurst, and three daughters, Adelaide, Caroline and Eliza. Now, we're going to finally talk Dayless Hurst and three daughters Adelaide Caroline and Eliza now we're going to finally talk about Lydia Hurst now I want the listeners to know here

I fucking listened to a podcast with Lydia Hurst and her now husband Chris Hardwick and the podcast was called In Love with Michael Rosenbaum and Chris Sullivan and listen you fucking think this podcast sucks? Oh, man.

Listening to Hardwick and Lydia talk about their fucking relationship for an hour? Jesus Christ. I want to take a month off of this show because that was fucking hard. She's like, oh, he's so romantic. He even lets me out of my hotel room. Lydia is a freak. Her mom is Patty Hearst like we talked talked about and this is the last thing that i want to cover and if you uh check out from flaunt.com uh lydia's apartment in new york

previous to marrying chris hardwick she at one she had her barbies on the wall and in this it says like these are my barbies the up the one in the upper left corner is the doll i got when i was four for christmas that was the moment when i decided i wanted to grow up and be barbie i mean literally the terrible effects of barbie in physical form when it comes to lydia hershaw uh she's really into taxidermy she's got like rats that are dead doing fucking ouija in her house and she's a good looking woman but i think chris hardwick hoodwinked her because their relationship all right so i had to do a lot of fucking creep stalker digging on this but but it's moderately worth it okay um chris hardwick his dad died in November of 2013, and he meets Lydia Hearst on the same day.

Chris Hardwick and Lydia Hearst at this time are in different relationships, and so it's just a casual meeting at this time, right? It takes them about 18 months before they seriously begin dating. They talk about this a whole bunch on the show. She kept, I mean, honestly, being a bitch and like fucking rejecting his calls and being like, I don't want to go on this date with you. And ignoring a letter where he's like, hey, if you don't want to date, that's fine. I just want to know that's all good. I'm letting you off the hook. And she never responds to this email.

Honestly, good instincts. She should have listened to. So Chris describes a story. So they, like. Top three ways to reject Chris Hardwick for a date. They, like, date long distance because she gets a job where she's living somewhere else. And so they're long distance for a handful of months, about 18 months roughly before they start actually dating. So according to In Love with Michael Rosenbaum and Chris Sullivan, Hardwick describes a story where they both instantly bought wall sconces from, he brought it from a vintage store in LA,

and she bought it from a castle in the UK, according to PeablerRealEstate.com. Now, they are now across one another in the living room. Okay, so he describes like, oh, I bought this random sconce. I'm going to do my best Chris Hartwick. Yeah, I was in the store in LA, and it was a vintage store, and I bought these sconces. And she buys them from a castle in the U.K. You better rail at least three more lines of Adderall before you do it, Yogi. So I was like, bullshit.

No way they just happen to randomly buy the same creepy Griffin wall sconces. And so I looked through all of her Instagram photos. And I think that Chris Hardwick used the same nerd tendencies I did, and he looked through all of her Instagram photos, and she posted a photo of the sconces before they got together in 2014, October 24th. And for our listeners, I'm going to show our fucking other host this stupid photo. All right? Bam. Right there, right? I think Chris Hardwick fucking saw them sconces and then went to a prop producer

at walking dead it was like hey can one of you make one of these and like yeah sure we could make these easy and then hoodwinked lydia to believing that hardwick was really her destined to be faith because chris hardwick hears that he could be marrying a hearst and he's got this fucking nerdist empire dick and he's like i could be a part of the American Empire that is media You know what I mean my kids are Never gonna have to work a day in their fucking Life because I'm marrying a hearst And well yeah he just got real turned on

He got real turned on just saying like you know I hear you I hear you abuse your Employees too yeah It must have been real funny When she she did the bit where after he nuts she goes points and lastly i just want to mention if you do listen to this podcast uh in love with uh just look up lydia hearst podcast she only did one uh the last 15 minutes of it are her railing a pro prenup it's just her being like i mean if you're in love with someone

and you want to stay with them forget forever you should get a prenup because you never want to be with anyone anyways and it's like oh really really lydia you want a prenup just just off the fact that if you in love it doesn't even matter word lydia is that really what you think yeah i mean that's smart if you're gonna marry chris fucking hardwick yeah chris hardwick that's the right move dude but like i spent a lot of time looking at their instagrams and social media and stuff and this these fucking people bought a play pleistocene era ursus playas a 30 000 year old bear from from Romania that they decided to put in their fucking living room, this is another photo with that damn sconce, and they're fucking, dude, these people are creeps, and you know what they're gonna have, they call their house Hurstwick, which I'm pretty sure

that was her idea, but what I'm trying to say is that these people are gonna have kids that are gonna inherit the millions and billions from the Hearst empire and those kids are gonna be fucking psychopath because their parents love horror and taxidermy and they're gonna think reality is a fucking fantasy and you can do shit like murder people anytime you want

because who gives a fuck my dad's nerdist and my mom is Lydia Hearst who self-proclaimed says she is resting bitch voice which Lydia you just a bitch Yogi I appreciate all the research you're doing but I'm worried about

the self-harm tendencies that you have inflicted dude I'm telling you through Chris Hardwick and Lydia Hurst fucking my jaw was to look at fucking Hearst III and jaw. And I found everything on them within about 20 minutes. And I went, all right, I guess I'll look at everything Chris Hardwick and Lydia Shaw have done in the last five years.

And honestly, I mean, honestly, good play by Chris Hardwick. I think that the winner of the Hearst media empire is Hardwick because he figured out a way to beat being me too. Beat alcoholism and fucking the best looking Hearst, if you ask me. And after the Chris Hardwick infamous Chalet or Chloe Medium post came out, Patricia Hearst posted on her twitter in defense of chris hardwick a quote from fatal attraction in the perfect like stupid person inspirational quote um image form and it says beware the person who stabs you and then tells the world they're the one who's bleeding and a bunch of people just replied with, Thanks, Tanya.

Fucking face. You remember when every idiot comedian would hashtag midnight because they thought it would make them famous? And then he turned out to be a sex pest. All I can say is if the Hearst Media conglomerate posts anything, I probably wouldn't believe it, because they know one thing very well, how to spin media. And if you haven't learned by now, the people that control what you read and the people that control what news exists often are only looking out for themselves. In the case of the Hearsts, like Eli mentioned at the beginning of this nine-hour marathon that was this podcast,

you don't even know about these rich people. Eli worked for a Hearst company, didn't even know none of this shit, and honestly is traumatized now because of it. Yeah, Eli had no idea he was putting money in Chris Hardwick's pocket every time he clocked into work. Oh, God. Think about all of that.

I'm following. Give it to Randy Hurst. That's fine. Yeah, yeah. Hardwick? Jesus Christ. We want to give a special thanks to Eli for joining us on this Hurst family extravaganza, as I'm going to call it. Eli.

Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Eli, you got anything you want to plug? Check out my podcast, The Roast Ghost. We just roast a celebrity. It's fun. Then Twitter and Instagram are both at EliSairs, E-L-I-S-A-I-R-S. Yeah, I think that's about all I got.

Awesome. Please check him out. He is very, very funny and a fantastic podcast host himself. Thank you. I do also want to give a shout out to the Hearst Media Union. Hearst, actually, earlier this year, their magazine employees unionized. This is across like 24 different magazines. Esquire, Cosmo, again, owned by the Hearst. Their editors and writers unionized under Writers Guild of America.

They accused Hearst of illegally surveilling and spying on them during this process. But in February, the company finally sat down with the union. So, you know, they're still having union problems today and they're still cashing those checks. And I also want to give one last shout out to the Semites Liberation Army.

A lot of leftist groups are all talk these are people who act I mean it's like look we were roasting them but they got a bunch of money donated to feeding the poor and hungry which is probably the most leftist direct action has accomplished in the last 50 years

listen direct action gets the goods. Hey, they actually successfully recruited a woman. A rich woman, too. And look, yeah, and last thing I want to say, and again, this has been the theme of the episode, but the story of the Hursts has been that because this guy in the 1820s had slaves, then this guy got to kill some miners, then this guy got to start a war, and now you can't watch sports on ES get 37 tips to drive your man wild without putting checks in the pockets of the people who owned slaves back in the 1820s. And with that, this has been Grubstickers. I'm Yogi Paywall.

I'm Steve Jeffries. I'm Andy Palmer. I'm Sean P. McCarthy. Thank you, Eli. Yes, thank you for sticking with us. This has been a little marathon. That was fun, dude. Thank you. All right.

Take care, dude. Thank you. All right. Fun. Turn off your cameras. Take care, everyone. Later. Bye. I'm so lucky. She's so grounded and even keeled. In the beginning, I was sort of like, what's your angle? You know?

Yeah. And it's just like, no, she's in it. She's just very even keeled. Can I make one more statement before we go to the next caller? This has nothing to do with you. I mean, it could, but it doesn't. It's about prenups. i mean it could but it doesn't and it's it's about prenups i mean it might but it's about prenups could be about you could be about anybody my thought is here's why prenups can work here's why i think they're right how did we get here i just thought about this because i thought you know chris is

very successful lydia is successful you're successful tyler you're going to get successful. I could feel it. You're already successful in my book. You know, I got to put that in the hair comment box too. No! He's already... Maybe not. You're working with me. How successful could you be? Don't worry, Tyler. You'll get a better job.

No! Dude, you love this job, don't you? Someday, Tyler. Things are really going to work out for you. Tyler, do you enjoy it? I do like this job a lot. I'm very broke and someday I'll have a... I'll be successful, sure. Let's say that. I like this job a lot. It's fun. Yeah, we have fun together.

Hell yeah. Alright, good. So, I want to say this. Prenups, here's my reasoning. If I say I want to get a prenup, let's say Tyler and I are getting married. Tyler, I love you. you okay i knew that i love you like nothing like nothing else we didn't say it back i love you and i want to be with you forever the reason we should get a prenup is because you might fall out of love with me i'm just gonna stop this lady i didn't say i love you that's fine.

I think if you're in a relationship with someone and you want to get married, you shouldn't have to explain yourself as to why you need a prenup. You just do it. You say, hey, prenup, because then they're like, wait a minute, what? I think it should be standard. And if you're entering into any sort of marriage, relationship, whatever, it's because you want to be with that person, not because you want to gain from that person. And I also like money is a tool. It's not a defining quality. And when we were dating and we decided to get married, we just, and the conversation was like a minute long. It was like, you know, maybe we should just do this so that the money stuff never gets in the way. I'll handle my stuff. You handle your stuff. There's no overlap. We don't have to worry about it. We're not like

penny chasers where it's like, you know, sometimes like, oh, I paid for that. You know, it's like, well, I paid for this. You pay. We just don't think that way. And so we just did it. If I were in a relationship with someone and then it didn't work out, I wouldn't want any of their stuff. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to benefit their stuff. Like I wouldn't want to benefit. Yeah, but it's different though if you marry someone that probably, let's say hypothetically, I marry someone who has either a lot more money than I do

or has no money. Well, I also, let me preface it by saying this too. We also kind of had this understanding of like, listen, if it doesn't work out, we're not gonna try to destroy each other and neither one of us would ever leave the other person in a situation that was not

good. You know what I mean? Right. But it was just like, but that's not, probably not going to happen. So we're not ever going to have to worry about it, but let's just do it and not ever have to think about it again. And it was fine because I do think money does make people weird. And if they have the same bank account, so why'd you spend this? What's this? What's this? What,

you know, Oh, we need more. It just adds a weird pressure. And so we set up like a house account and, and we both just put half in for mortgage or whatever and don't think about it, you know? And if there was ever a time where one of us need then it'd be like yeah fine take i don't care you know she'll even say to me like can i borrow some toothpaste i'm like it's your toothpaste as well you know and it's cute and so and i'm like you have every i mean the understanding is that everything that's mine is yours like i'm not we're not territorial about our stuff. Right, right.

It's only just, it's just being smart in a worst case scenario that is hopefully very unlikely to happen. You would hope no one gets married thinking they're going to break up. That's not really the reason why you enter into something. But there has to be a reality. But I think it's important, too, that you do a prenup and all of that when you are in love. Because who knows what's going to happen down the road? I mean, Chris knows I'd stab him in the dick, stab him in the dick, stab him in the dick if something went wrong. If he cheated on me.

Oh, Chris's face on that. Wait a minute. Dick stabber. And by the way, she would be monotone. But that's the thing that makes me laugh. So just because we... This always kills me when she does this. It's so just calm and matter of fact.

And so a lot of times, you know, just I'm a comedian. So I walk into this territory because we watch a lot of like true crime shows and there's usually always a mistress involved. And so I'll just go, just as a joke, I'm like, oh, so I'm not, am I not? Oh no, I remember what it was. Her great-grandfather very historically had a mistress and it was something that everyone knew about. It was very, and I said, so your family was okay with that? And she said, well, he and my great-grandmother just had an understanding. It was a different time. And so of course my comedy brain, I barely even,

I don't get halfway through the joke. I'm like, Oh, so in keeping with the family tradition, I even remember we were driving. I remember what road we were driving up. So in keeping with the family tradition, I should,

and very calmly, she cuts me off and she says, Oh, if you ever cheat on me, I'll cut off your penis and plug your butthole with it. Oh, if you ever cheat on me, I'll cut off your penis and plug your butthole with it.

Oh, if you ever cheat on me, I'll cut off your penis and plug your butthole with it. Oh, if you ever cheat on me, I'll cut off your penis and plug your butthole with it. And I laughed so hard. I laughed so hard. Because it's just so... As a matter of fact, this is what I'll do. And that's how you know if you've fallen out of love.

You know, I don't even think we need to go to another question after that. I think that's a great place to end. I think that's a great place to end. Thanks for coming to talk to us, guys. That was it, yeah. That makes me laugh. It makes me laugh so hard.