Guerrilla History - Haiti, Kenya, Imperialism, & More! GH on Revolutionary Blackout Network

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

In this episode, we bring you an appearance we recently made on Revolutionary Blackout Network.  Adnan and Henry were invited to sit on a roundtable discussion alongside long-time Indigenous activist John Looking Glass to discuss a wide variety of topics. We highly recommend subscribing to RBN, and watching the video version of this conversation, which includes an additional 10 minute intro/discussion by RBN host Nick.  Find the video version here. Help support the show by signing up to our patreon, where you also will get bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/guerrillahistory 

You don't remember den, Ben, boo? No. The same thing happened in Algeria, in Africa. They didn't have anything but a rank. The French had all these highly mechanized instruments of warfare. But they put some guerrilla action on. Hello, guerrilla history, listen. This is co-host Henry, and what you're going to be hearing in this episode is an appearance that Adnan and I made on the Revolutionary Blackout Network as part of a roundtable discussing a variety of topics alongside John Lookingglass and indigenous activists and the host of the show, Nick, from Revolutionary Blackout Network.

We were reached out to by Revolutionary Blackout Network to sit on this roundtable and discuss a variety of topics which included things like the expansion of bricks and then of course the traditional topics of imperialism and colonialism. We touched on topics including Haiti, including Kenya, but the conversation really was wide-ranging and we really appreciated the opportunity to appear on Revolutionary Blackout Network to discuss these topics and we look forward to being back to discuss them again. As I mentioned, we were sitting alongside longtime indigenous activist John Lookingglass,

whose audio was, let's say, less than ideal. The internet connection at the reservation was not the best, but we've done what we could to edit the audio and make it understandable in this edited version, more so than in the live YouTube stream that we did on RBN. So we hope that you enjoy the conversation. One last note, before we get into the conversation, is that Nick had about a 10 minute long introduction at the beginning of the episode where he reacts to recent headlines that are related to the topics that we are discussing in this

episode. We have removed that 10 minute introduction, but we highly recommend that you go to the Revolutionary Blackout Network YouTube channel and listen to that introduction. We have removed it to encourage you to go, subscribe to the channel, listen to that introduction, and then you can also watch the conversation that we are going to play now on our channel. So without further ado, here is the invitation that Adnan and I accepted to speak on Revolutionary Blackout Network about Bricks Expansion, Kenya, Haiti, colonialism, imperialism, and much, much more. We hope that you enjoy and be sure to subscribe to Revolutionary Blackout Network. So I'm sorry for that long introduction.

But I want to introduce my guests and I have a very powerful roundtable today. I'm going to start with John looking glass. I want to take this time to introduce you. I appreciate you. He's trying to join us. John is an amazing indigenous activist and educator. So it's great to meet you and great to add you on Airbnb. Do you want to start by

if he's quickly introduce your so before I'm being like that. Explain your work and what got you into after Disneyland educated in the whole period. Thank you before this moment. John, look, I've been involved since I've been in

14 years old. I'm 61, 64. I started around the time that wounded me too. We know about inferiorism. We speak about it. We know that we know that without

doubt. We're still dealing with it today. I mean, 2% of the United States is left as a native as reservations. But where do all your pipelines go across our land? That's where it goes. And that only makes up 2% of the entire United States.

Haiti, does any turmoil it's in? It all got started with the French. That's where it all got started at. They left out of there and they just robbed them blind for how many years making them pay money. Left them in destitute. Everybody started gathering up and gang, fighting for what they wanted.

Now the U.S. is involved. The U.S. has been involved in genocides and wars since they came to this country. Before they formed this country. They killed thousands, millions of American Indians, and took. Today, we don't, you know, and then you, it gets me, I mean, I understand reparation, but they didn't speak of us. That's why, in our panel, we've made.

mention this because it's important to advocate for justice for everyone because if you don't advocate for just for everyone you won't get justice because we strongly advocate for justice for indigenous American because they gave justice for the victims of the Holocaust for because they gave reparations and they addressed their crimes against the people who was in Japanese concentration camps we must advocate for for justice for everyone, or you will eventually become a victim. So that's why we have strong solidarity with the indigenous movement as well.

And that was a point that was strongly made. But go ahead, John. Well, it's the same thing that's going on today in Palestine. Yeah, for sure. You know, Israel is basically trying to wipe them off the planet. The U.S. has backed them up until lately because suddenly Biden's worried about not winning

the election. Because it is that type between him and Trump. I don't like Biden at all. Okay? I don't like Trump. I've got a vote from one of them. And sure I ain't going to be Trump. We all don't want that. Because you think he's bad when he's here before.

He's going to be worse. It's already made it. I mean, all you do is look at this project 2025 and what they're doing with it. What they want to do. Native of the sweeping deal with this stuff since they can land it on the shore. I mean, look what they you know, once people tell all the Democrats are good people.

Look what they did at Sandy Rock in 2016. Senate militarized police with water. cannons on freezing nights. Pray us down. For what? For oil. They didn't give a shit about us. Or the people that depended

on that river for water. It's all about money. It's all these people care about. Biden's just as bad. But we've got no choice. You've got to make a choice between the two evils. I know my grandfather said, you know, he's making a choice between two of the evil. He's still choosing an evil. Yeah, he's still choosing genocide.

He's still choosing their impression. So what I would say is that we don't have to. choose between that. I think the only option we have is to organize among each other and make sure that we don't corrupt our souls by supporting the people I already know how this is going to work. We've seen it already. It's already having one.

2000 elections. People didn't like Hillary Clinton. They didn't like her. What happened? Yeah, we still don't have a bullet. That truck. We dodger bullet. Okay. We thought we dodged a bullet by not getting hurt. We did have to do. We ended up with the evening works. oh we definitely got to do it so so if you see

everything that Biden is doing now can you imagine if Hillary got involved Hillary criticized Hillary Hillary criticized Obama because she felt like Obama's foreign policy wasn't muscular now

you'd understand when it comes to the black community that all ended when Martin Luther King died and Martin Luther King died the government began buying out the church that were the back going never at all. And giving him money and the support them. Once that

was done, there's been no more dissent. Black churches are quiet. You don't stand up like me. I want to continue the conversation, but I won't bring my other guests as well. I don't want to keep them waiting for too long. This is the interesting conversation. Let's bring in the Guerrilla History Podcast. And I want to give them time to introduce them. So we have Adnan,

I believe in Henry from the guerrilla history podcast. I will give you time to introduce yourself your work, what inspired the guerrilla history podcast now when I continue the conversations. We can start with Henry, I saw you a mute and then your co-hosts at me. Sure. So I'm Henry. I'm, as you mentioned, one of the co-hosts of guerrilla history. I'm also an editorial board member of Isra Books. I'm an educator based in Russia, although from my accent, you may understand that I am not Russian myself. I'm American. With regard to what guerrilla history is all about, I'll turn it over to my co-host,

Adnan, but I will, I'm very happy. be about the topics that you've selected today. And I certainly have plenty to say on everything from Haiti to Kenya to the other topics that you have in the docket. So Adnan, I'll turn it over. Yeah, we can go to that after your co-hoes. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts, but go ahead, Adnan. Sure. Well, it's a pleasure to be on RBN. I've been admiring this show since it was called Fred Hampson Socialist. And my name's Adnan Hussein. I'm a professor of history up in Canada, but I'm also an American. I specialize on Middle Eastern and Islamic World History,

and I'm a co-host of guerrilla history podcast. Henry and I started it with a friend from Revolutionary Left Radio, Brett O'Shea, as a way of using history as a resource. I mean, I think history is not just some neutral ground of knowledge. It's a resource in our struggles for justice. And the idea was we need to learn lessons from history, be inspired by our history, celebrate the history of our heroes who have fought and struggled, and carry on that heritage and legacy. So that's the purpose of guerrilla history is to inform activist social struggle for justice today. Yeah, and I explain, and I'll pass to Henry for your thoughts as well.

but I explained many times on the show that I was very apolitical until I got history most of my teenage years I just followed general liberal culture and then once I got

once I graduated high school that's when my real education began because I started really dive into the real history. The history of empires I got very fascinated with slavery and business history as well like I learned what really happened

instead of in high school they told us bullshit stories about how they got along with indigenous people, but indigenous people were just too mean. And I'm like, you hear these stories they tell us unbelievable, like these like Thanksgiving nonsense

stories they'll tell you. And then I learned like, no, they committed a genocide. Like what? So I'm like, all right, so if they were, if they were doing that in the past, this would trigger my thought into being critical of our government. I saw the, the sins of the past. So it would be ridiculous to assume they're not doing stuff now.

So when I, as I was seeing all these crimes of the government was doing, I was like, all right, what they're doing right now? Then George Bush, I mean, you got George Bush, Iraq, you got Obama. They got to destroy Syria, Libya. And I watched all this shit like, bro, we are living through history. But I'm back to Henry. We get John, we get you back in there, brother. But Henry, any other thoughts before you get John back in the conversation? Yeah, absolutely. And I just want to add to what Adnan was saying regarding the the purpose of guerrilla history. It really is to provide

a historical insight to activists. We have about 170 episodes at this point, which are between one and three hours long and feature expert guests on all a variety of topics. Everything from modern Chinese history to pan-African struggles on the continent

to Latin American struggles during the coal. with war, indigenous struggles, and beyond. So you can find that wherever you get your pod. The episodes are quite long, but we hope that you find them useful. Regarding the topics of Haiti and Kenya, I don't want to portray myself as an expert. I know that when we were first reached out to, we were asked to be the expert guests on these subjects,

And I wanted to make clear that we're not in the position to portray ourselves as the. He's insane. You're not expert and we're not. We're just not being stupid up to buy all the crap that everybody's brother than our faith. Well, in the pointed channel, is, Hello, are I frozen? Yeah, yeah, I think you may have some connection issues a little bit, Henry, but let's see we can, I still hear what you say a little bit.

But my whole thing is that we are here to educate each other, bounce ideas of our head, that we must reject anti-intellectualism. Okay. We must continue to grow and change as a movement. That's why I think it's... Yeah, I... Go ahead, Henry.

Yeah, sometimes you have to refresh it. So maybe if you refresh it, it would be better. Adnan, do you have any other thoughts before we continue? Well, I think Brother John made a great point, is that, you know, we may not be experts, but if you don't buy the BS, I would say you're way ahead of the game. And that's the whole problem now is that we don't have a real accurate knowledge of our history.

And we also don't understand what's going on today because the sources of knowledge and information that we have are actually disinformation. You know, so much of the media is retailing, biased perspectives, and manipulating, you know, issues. that should be very clear if you stand on principles of universal justice, you know, should be clear, you know, that for example, I mean, John mentioned the settler colonial project of Israel looks very much to an indigenous, you know, North American as the same kind of settler colonial project that perpetuated a genocide on this continent.

And it should be possible if you stand for principles of justice and free to be able to recognize that. But there's so much disinformation, you know, in the media that doesn't even accord Palestinians with, you know, even the minimal level of humanity in order to, you know, have our sympathy and to be able to recognize that they are an oppressed people that we should stand in solidarity with. So, you know, when we look at all of these issues, we have to take up, it's there's so much work to do because you have to take apart the myths and the bias.

and the disinformation before you can even start educating yourself. But so what John said is that at least that's the first step, has recognized that you're being told, you know, and sold a line that accords with U.S. imperial designs when it comes to Haiti, you know, nothing that we're hearing about the situation in Haiti is meant to be able to allow us to foster our political education and stand in solidarity with the Haitian people. It's only to project U.S. power.

And when you called out, Nick, all of these, you know, the black misleadership class, I mean, this is exactly the problem is that U.S. Empire works in such nefarious ways that it even convinces oppressed people from within the United States that they will elevate their position and gain something by at least acting as an agent of U.S. empire abroad. But this is the sort of the absolute kind of consensus of the political class is always maintain. You can negotiate a lot of things on domestic politics, some nuances here or there, but they must maintain U.S. imperial hegemony abroad. Well, said, man. And this is why I mentioned earlier, and they do so much damage because your job is to manufacture, for militarism in their community. Now, compare that to our black revolutionary leaders

of the past, like MOK, for example, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, who reject militarism, who was harsh critics of the empire. And now he had... Go ahead, John. What happened to them? They're all murdered.

Yep. And the ones who wasn't sold out, like John Lewis. People like John Lewis got a job. But go ahead, John. Well, you know, the thing is that this has been ongoing. It's not something that's new. It's been going on me before this country has even found

it. You know, we've got Ukraine. We've never told the story that Putin said, hey, if all your guys don't become part of NATO, I don't even got a problem with you. Oh, yeah, we've got to get that soon. Okay? What did the U.S. do? U.S. forced

and pushed and pushed and pushed to bring Ukraine this part of NATO and what happened. We support. weapons of war, everybody. And the fact is, that's what drives our economy. That's what the biggest amount of money from our government goes to is towards

the war machine. The hedge contractors, they've got more lobbyists in Washington, D.C. There are angel senators and Congress people. Yep. As long as people keep sitting back and taking what thrown in their face, that's the fact.

I'm not actually looking into things and find out what's really going on. we're never going to change. In this country, you have six corporations that control 90-sub-percent of the media. And folks like us, they shut us down. I've got to shut down on Facebook because they said I told too much truth. Hey, that's how I know you're on the right track then.

If you have... If you... It doesn't have a bunch of what you are wrong. Page, we do it, Indigenous. Okay? We've got 150,000 followers. We're lucky at 20,000 see our post today. because we're being filtered

because they don't want us to tell the truth. Yep. Yep, that's all they have is rank authoritarianism and censorship now. You think about Haiti. The only reason that U.S. is covered up to Kenya was to get black soldiers to go to Haiti.

So it looks like the white guy's not doing that. Exactly. That's exactly it, you know it because that's exactly why they recruited. Kenya, but go ahead, Henry, if you want to try them in. They're the open conversation, so feel free to try and get on, guys. Sure, sure. Let me know if I'm having connection problems still. I can try to use my wife's computer, if so.

But if you can hear me now, what I was going to say is that I don't want to portray myself as the expert on these things, but I can refer to my friends who are the experts on these things. So on guerrilla history, listeners will know that we have two episodes on the history of intervention in Haiti, one with Pascal Robert. and one with Jamima Pierre, who is the coordinator of Haiti Americas with Black Alliance for Peace. And in both of these, we talk about why when we think about Haitian history, people who are in support of Haiti tend to totalize Haitian history to the Haitian revolution in this positive light, but then not look at what has happened since the Haitian revolution.

And then we have reactionaries who look at Haiti only in the current context and look at the, material reality that Haiti is facing today, but shorned from any of the history that caused that material reality today, that material reality that was born out of Western imperialism. So that's why we talked about these histories. And again, I don't want to portray myself as the expert. Please seek out those episodes and listen and read the work of people like Pascal Robert and Jemimapier, who are both Haitian comrades. But with regard to Kenya, again, I am not the expert, but I can refer to my friend, Booker Amoli, who is the national vice chairperson of the Communist Party of Kenya, who has been on guerrilla history multiple times. Again, you

can listen to him there. But he constantly is talking about how William Ruto is a stooge for Western imperialism. This is very clear, even if we look within the last two days, Ruto was sending police officers. You mentioned that he's sending police officers to Haiti, but he's also sending police officers out into the streets of Nairobi to kill protesters against his government. That has happened within the last two days, including comrades in the Communist Party of Kenya. This calls to mind, and I'll try to be brief here, a passage from Walter Rodney, who is a favorite of mine, and I am hoping a favorite of many of your listeners. Walter Rodney, this is the last page of chapter three from the groundings with my brothers, talks about the

phenomenon of white-hearted black men. So he says through the manipulation of this media of education and communication, white people have produced black people who administer the system and perpetuate the white values, white-hearted black men as they are called by conscious elements. At this time, he's talking about the president of Jamaica when he was giving these speeches that were then compiled into the groundings with my brothers. But this phenomenon is still seen today where these black political leaders are fostered by Western imperialists to act on their behalf and have this white-hearted nature in terms of upholding the white-led white-led imperialist world system. We always have to think about this in a systemic way. The white-led

imperialist capitalist world system. William Brutto is an exemplar of this. He demonstrates it by killing his own people in the streets of Nairobi protesting within the last two days, and he also demonstrates it by going along with the Western-led invasion of Haiti. An invasion, mind you, that is also, as you quite rightly pointed out in the introduction, supported by leaders like Lula, and if, you know, listeners who may be supportive of Lula, I highly recommend you again, check out the work of Jemima Pierre. We also talk about Lula in the episode that we had with her very recently. within the last couple of weeks, actually, on guerrilla history

about intervention in Haiti. But she calls out Lula very explicitly for his role in upholding the Western imperialist dominion and conquest and subjugation of Haiti and the Haitian people. There's so much I love... You know, you spoke about... Go ahead, James. Go ahead, John. You spoke about white-hearted black.

In the native community, we call them Apple. they're right on I love how we all on your side okay tell their people out for a pipeline all right

we know these people they're our council they're our president our travel makers we know these kind of people and they're everywhere and every race yeah that's a problem

I love how everyone have our own different terms for it because I was on to the Palestinian community network they said it's a problem in the Palestinian leadership with people who sell out

designism. The same way there's a problem with the black, the black mist leadership clad down. I did countless live streams and sayments and I wrote my first substack article about it. It's such a giant problem.

Sorry, John, I want you to continue to thought. But everyone had an all unique term for it. You know, like I said, we call them Apple. And we've been dealing with them since before there's been a country. They were the ones that were selling us out

for whatever they could get. And they're still doing it today. They think they're helping. You know, you look at Pine Ridge, which was my home, where I was taken as a child. One of the poorest places in America. But you've got a council that makes $30,000 a year just for travel. Paid for by the United States government. They said he got our apples too.

And nothing's going to change because there's too many or none of us, to stand up and say it not because too many people take things at face value and don't say nothing. They don't care. You used that? Are you home? Oh, okay, I guess I did it. That's my fault. No, what, it's your fault?

We've got people who are living homeless. They should not be homeless. We've got rich bastards that are having houses because it makes them money. It's all people care about. Until we start caring about one another and put all those bullshit race and religion and all the other crap aside

they could one people because we're all human beings and we're all connected. Until we do that, this gets going to continue. And like I said, we got Biden and we got Trump. You don't want Trump in there.

He's bad enough. Biden ain't know much better. It's not one either way. That crazy nut wants to do. And we've got, what gives me is that we got apples that we want to vote Trump in. I mean, the insanity

of it all. Tell me what's... That is... It would not be a critic right now if he was indicted for 94... 994 charges. He'd be in prison. But this guy's right around,

doing this, doing that. Nobody says nothing. Oh, it's okay. No, getting. No, they're delaying everything because of the election. And it ain't so easy as Biden and all the rest of them

while we're going to win this. No. just last week Trump was a head by three points you know he can't I'm old but yeah John I'm glad that you acknowledge both with them on bad or bad

but I'm not people that they acknowledge that they're wrong to as well Adnan you are because we've presented Adam Adam you want to have any

John pass back to you well yeah I'll get you back in here but let there for Adn okay sure you know I just I just think that we can't let the election be the only framework by which we talk about politics. I mean, I think, of course, it's important.

It's coming up. It's going to be, it's the obsession. I'm right now in the UK. They've called an election. This, in fact, is actually globally the year of elections. There have been massive elections all over the world. India just had its elections. South Africa had elections.

France, they just called elections that will be taking place. So, of course, we're going to be thinking about political leadership and contestation and can the left, you know, pose a challenge. Why is the world tilting towards the far right? I mean, I think this is, we have to look at it from a global perspective that the entire, especially the entire West, but not even just in the West, but in a lot of other places like in India, like in, you know, South Africa. I mean, the elections there were a bit of a disappointment because, you know, you have the emergence of basically apartheid light-type parties returning to at least the official opposition.

Why is the world moving dramatically towards the right? And I think it's an extreme right. And I think part of it, there's two components. One is it's just the way in which neoliberal capitalism for the last 30, 40 years has just totally undermined, you know, the possibility of organized left and has atomized us, you know, so that we can't, you know, really act in solidarity, has destroyed so many of these institutions. And the natural reaction to the abuses, the wars, the widening inequality is populism. But that populist energy that, you know, discussed with the system and the

way it has failed us, is an energy that can be captured by different kinds of forces. And so I think it's easier for the right to capitalize upon, you know, this kind of a situation. And the second part is, is that, you know, even the left institutions and the left parties have abdicated, you know, class analysis and have embraced, you know, having a multi, you know, a multicultural face of, you know, empire and of capitalism, of corporate dominance. and that isn't working to improve the situation, and it's just shifting all of your options further and further right politically. So if you're, you know, you have to be canny. If you're in the United States, for example, you know, if you believe Trump is even worse, I think, you know, really the empire is the key. And there's going to be support for the empire bipartisan under either of these, you know, kinds of regimes. Either of these candidates is going to kind of support

the U.S. empire with maybe slightly different emphases. But if you want to prevent Trump the only and to prevent the right wing from capturing this populist energy, we have to support left populist alternatives, build those institutions, and not be held hostage, you know, without really thinking carefully. I mean, there's absolutely no reason if you live in a state like California, New York, Texas, most of the states, there's only a handful of states. And in fact, there's not even, you know, even in those states, we're talking about a handful of counties that are going to decide the election in this bankrupt system that we have. So if you're in any of these other safer, you know, areas that are polarized, you can afford to support a candidate who represents

an alternative in your conscience without actually changing the outcome of the election. That's one component. Now, if you really want to make a statement, you know, we shouldn't vote shame people who are so fed up with this system that they don't mind suffering, you know, a cycle as long as we're going to mobilize people to fight. What I remember during the Trump years is one of the reasons why, you know, he wasn't able to accomplish very much, is because he came out with his Muslim ban, and there were thousands of people in the streets blocking, you know, you know, know, the streets and shutting down airports. I mean, the resistance, you know, was there. But once you have Biden, you know, at the helm of U.S. Empire, he's just as terrible on immigration. You know,

he's still got kids in cages. He's, you know, doing, you know, supporting genocide. And, you know, there's less pressure on him from within the political establishment because, you know, he's a Democratic president. So, you know, I think, you know, there's, there's, it's possible to do. differ on this, but it seems we shouldn't just have a knee-jerk kind of reaction that, you know, Biden is the lesser of the evil, lesser of the too much. I'm here. I'll have to tell you, now I'll get John in here. I'll be very brief. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Just to add into what Adnan was saying and to underscore one of the points that he was making, that we should not, absolutely not limit our engagement to politics to electoralism. This is a failure that we see

in most of the Western imperialist countries where because of their positioning in the global imperialist system, it is easy for the populace of these countries to totalize their engagement with politics to electoralism. If we want to think about theoretical perspectives on what our engagement with electoralism should be, from a radical perspective,

we should look at how our forebears in thought, such as Marx and Lenin, if you are somebody who is inclined the way that I am, the way that they were engaging with electoralism. There is a terrific book, and we have an episode on guerrilla history. It's like three years old now at this point, but we'll be remastering it in advance of this upcoming election cycle. So just stay tuned on the guerrilla history feed,

and you'll see it coming up again. We talked with Professor August Nymphs about his book, The Ballot the Streets are both from Marx and Engels to Lenin and the October Revolution. And what it looks at is how these individuals, individuals, Marx, Engels, Lenin, were theorizing and then practicing electoralism. And the way that they engage with electoralism is radically different than the way that we see in the imperialist core, the populist that just says electoralism is what politics is all about. I am an engaged citizen if I vote. No, I'm sorry, you're not an engaged citizen if you vote.

you are engaged citizen if you are engaging in politics in your community and trying to affect actual change within the society that you're living in so i highly recommend i don't want to get too much into that work in marx and lenin that's so well said that's so well said that book and listen to the episode like i said i'll be remastering it in advance of the elections so just that's so well said here and john i can you back in there if you want to add anything but that's so well said here because i was just talking about the whole i was talking about this was shama where a lot I think a lot of people misinterpret where we don't expect

revolution to come through electoral politics, but that don't mean there's no revolutionary potential within engaging in electoral politics, mean building our own socialist parties, using our own strategy, not using the boo-wise the strategy, not using the capitalist strategy, and

even regarding what was said on swing states. Like, I think if you live in swing state, you got more negotiation power than the average person does. I wish my vote on Michelle in Missouri. That's your going to Republican's the way. If you live in a swing state, my friends, that's where

the fun begins. But John, I want to give you in here. I want to give you a thought. When it comes to about elections, we've got to realize something. You pay vote, but it really don't count for anything. Because it's all about the electoral college. That's how

Trump won in 2016. He didn't win the popular vote, when you won the electoral college. That's how he won. The baby, And to me, I think it should be I think to be done what they're done my way with. I mean, it was, it was good when it became originally

because we had eastern states that had more people that knows out west, and that way we kind of kept things about. But that's why I'm gone. Okay, when you get California, which is one of the largest population, the largest governments, I mean,

it's time to end. But we can't keep this gearing with us every freaking election cycle. Something's got to be done. And it's a shame because, like I said, in the 60s and the 70s, people stood up. But then people started getting bought out.

You know, whether it be blacks or native. They were bought out. Judge your mouth, and you'll get nice money. That's exactly what happened. And anybody who stood up, people like Hampton, or people that we had, they were murdered. And nobody got paid

for anything else. Nobody got it. They did it do with a Molly. from the Uru Socialist movement. They're going after him. Go ahead. But it's only, like you say, now you've got the Const Act Act,

you know, which has done in 1873, which was about what you could mail through the mail system. You've got three Republicans right now that are trying to bring it back. Okay? And most people aren't talking about it,

but one of those things is contraceptives through the mail. We said, well, I thought it's effective. I don't get them through the mail. The pharmacy does. We've got, how many states? You got 14 states that have spread outlawed abortion. Who is we as men have the right to tell a woman what to do with their damn body?

It's not our business. I cover matriarchical society. I'm not patriotic or matriarch. In other words, women ran things. So my grandfather taught me, you're here because of a woman. Period. Without her, you wouldn't be here. we all would be here you want to know it's funny on on that topic in particular all the liberals who have pulling the rambus syndrome you want to know where you can have abortion at i can't have it in missouri but you can have in russia you won't know you have you have you where you get paid maternity leave at russia

i can attest to that so you have all these people i'm not going to say name but we know we're talking about the bernie sanders left the progressive left who has pulling the ranger syndrome when the entire of their policies, it's just them trying to get called to Russia. Like, they just got social Democrat policies they try to get, but I want to, I want to, we only have about maybe 15, 20 minutes left, so I want to, I'm going to cover um, damn, do we

even have time to get on, too? What's what should we do? Ukraine and Israel, we got a lot of talking about. Let's, let's start here. Because I think this is a blend of both. Um, this is highlighting the hypocrisy, the hypocrisy of the West where you have blinking when it comes to Russia and Ukraine, there was

saying, oh, we can never allow these war crimes to be normalized. Now, this in hindsight compared to what's going on in Gaza, the Larry. We can never let the crimes Russia's committing become our new normal. Gutsha is not normal. Maripole is not normal. Irpin is not normal. Bombing schools and hospitals and apartment buildings to rubble is not normal. What he just said there is literally standard Israeli

He operates a book. Go ahead, Henry. I know you want to chime. Go ahead, brother. Yeah, it goes beyond just Israeli. I mean, if we look at how the United States has engaged with conflict, historically, that is what always happens. As you mentioned with the DPRK at the beginning of this episode, 90% of the standing infrastructure was destroyed during the American War of Aggression in Korea in the DPRK. That is not limited only to military facilities. That was 90% of the state. infrastructure in the country, that of course includes things like hospitals, like schools. Are we going to pretend that Vietnam was not an area that was completely bombed to smithereens, regardless of whether we're talking about civilian or military infrastructure? Are we going to pretend that Iraq and Afghanistan were these bastions of morality in terms of the

conflict? Of course no. Now, the situation of Israel and Gaza, you know, is adding the situation of a settler colonial entity being brutal against the colonized people there. This is very much the same way that the United States has and continues to brutalize the indigenous community of the United States the same way that Canada brutalizes the indigenous community of Canada historically and in the present. Are we going to pretend that these countries did not destroy ways of acquiring knowledge in indigenous community? Of course, no, are we not going to pretend that residential schools were not a thing?

One of my professors and mentors and university had to hide under the floorboards with her twin sister when they came looking for children to put them in residential schools. It was the only reason that she was not put in a residential school, and it is why I have so many things to say about the indigenous experience, because my mentors were people who experienced that themselves. Now, turning towards narrative. This is what Blinken is doing here. He's weaponizing narrative.

Now, this is something that I talk about quite a bit. A book that I co-translated, shameless plug, Stalin History and Critique of a Black Legend, is about the construction of narrative for politicized purposes by the imperialist West after the Second World War. It's available via Isker Books. for free PDF or you can order the print copies iscurebooks.org but it's all about narrative construction it's about demonizing and constructing demonizing narratives against individuals and

movements that are outside of that imperial core and the imperial system and then exonerating any of the things that the west had done we can talk about how there was was famine in the Soviet Union. Of course there was up until, you know, the big one that everybody knows about was the last one. But why do these same people that go on endlessly about famine that took place in the Soviet Union with it, again, being the last one, there was never another one after that in 32? Why do they not talk about the fact that three million people were deliberately starved in Bengal by Winston Churchill? That was an engineered famine. Even the people who claim that the famine in the Soviet Union was a result of policies of Stalin.

Serious historians agree, whether they are on the left or conservatives, that it was not an engineered famine. There was failures, but it was not engineered, and it was not engineered intentionally to disproportionately affect various ethnic groups within the Soviet Union. The Bengal famine is the opposite. It was intentionally constructed. to starve the people of Bengal,

the colonial subjects of Great Britain on the behest of Winston Churchill, that narrative is not put out there, but the narrative against Stalin is. Blinken here is doing the exact same thing of weaponizing and constructing narrative, sometimes with a posthity of facts, in order to demonize the enemies

of the imperial core, the imperial system, while then pretending as if none of us have eyes or ears to see the news, to listen to people who have experienced things or read what has happened. We have to pretend that these things haven't happened as a result of the Imperial West. Well, that's what's funny about it. John after Adnan. Adnan is John. Well, just a real quick point on this, what I think is really strange and funny.

is why he thinks he can get up there and, you know, make these sorts of comments. I mean, he is just absolutely making himself ridiculous in front of the eyes of the world. Nobody believes this anymore, partly because everybody can watch exactly what's been happening in, in Gaza, if they pay any attention. As long as they don't watch the mainstream, you know, media, their cable news, if they're watching, you know, Twitter, TikTok, and this is of course why they wanted to ban TikTok is because it's not under control of the U.S. security state surveillance apparatus, the deep state. But everybody already knows what's happening in Gaza and they can see the rank hypocrisy. So there's absolutely no moral credibility left to the West. And it's astonishing to me that without a sense of irony or even

adjusting his rhetoric, you know, he just accuses himself. in front of the world. There's some real disconnect, you know, that's going on here. I mean, even you were talking about what's going on in the Ukraine situation. I mean, even the New York Times has recently come out and published not a full account of, you know, what people who followed any alternative news know that there were peace negotiations in, you know, April of 2022 that had a real chance of resolving you know, the Ukraine-Russia conflict and that Ukraine was willing to accept neutrality.

But it was the West with Boris Johnson sent on a, you know, special mission unannounced, shows up, you know, in Kiev and says, no, we're, we can't allow you to make this deal. This has been known that there were successful negotiations taking place. So to have like, you know, Blinken act as if, nobody knows and that people will believe him when he says this is truly, you know, utter disconnect with reality. And, you know, the U.S. Empire is failing, but it's not only that it's a material decline, but it's an evident and obvious moral and narrative decline. I mean, you know, those of us who have been anti-imperialists know that the United States has been hypocritically

the worst perpetrator, you know, while claiming to be, you know, leader of the free world has been the one who has killed the most people, has oppressed the most people in the world. But now even casual observers can know, can know this. So I'm kind of astonished that he even has the face and the guts to stand up in front of the world and talk about Russia's war crimes when they're supporting a genocide in Gaza. That has to be explained how that's possible. Yeah, I only have two presentations. is left and we can begin to wrap up but john i look past it to you god know you want to chime

go ahead brother well you know i it's amazing that they would sit back and sit there and he makes out like russia and everybody else is all the bad guys but they don't think about the blood in their hand one of my heroes is john trudeau john trudeau says a great life with this civilization it's not civilized it has literally been the most bloodthirsty brutalizing system ever opposed upon this planet. This is not civilization. This is a great lie. Or if it does represent civilization, and that truly is what civilization is, then

the great lie is that civilization is good luck. That's that's what's said. I mean, the biggest problem that we have is our education system. We take children and we just squish them. Take all their thoughts and their ideas and their

innocent and just swatch them and make them all one. So when they come out the other end, They're all the same. There's a great book called The Lies My Teacher Told Me. I remember the author. You can find it on our social network. James Lohen, I believe, is the author of that. Great book.

Because, I mean, it tells exactly what really went on. And these are, you know, the lies that our teachers told us, the lies that our government tells us. And everybody claims that they were all the good guys and everybody else's bad guys. They don't think about all they blow on their hands. How many people they could feel for money, Or whatever.

Go ahead, Eric. Just five, five seconds, or maybe ten. Oh, wow. When you said civilization and that society is not civil, it just reminded me of something that I tweeted this very morning. I said colonialism is like a cancer that spreads its toxic roots deep into the soil of nations, draining their resources and cultures. The civilizing mission is just a euphemism for,

colonial erasure as colonizers impose their values on the colonized. I think it speaks to exactly what you're talking about, John, that civilization is nothing but a narrative that is weaponized by those trying to impose their will on others. I know that was more than 10 seconds, but I tried. No, no, this is great. I am, guys, I'm greatly enjoying this conversation. What kind of civilized society as a skid row, for example? what kind of civilized society

leaves millions of medical death which my family have been through? Millions of people who are not able to get health care. We have what, what is it? Fact check me. Five times less people than China. Five times less people than China. But we in prison one fourth of the world's prison population. What kind of civilized

society creates a police state like we have done? And this is why a lot of Eurocentric-minded people, people who are Western soldiers, they can't rationalize their idea, this idea that they're the barbarians. One of the reasons why they believe all the lies about China and Africa

and the Deep Arcade, North Korea. White America, they believe every lie about every country told, because they inherently believe that countries that are not ran by white men are barbaric. They may not say it like... It's not white men. You've got every race under the sun in our country

and they're all fall, some of them fall blackcraft soon? Yeah, listen, but listen. But the idea that lot of these people have, is that countries that are ran by non-white people are savages, which allow them to repeat their propaganda that China is barbaric, Russia is barbaric, Africa is barbaric. A lot of people have an idea that any

country not ran by white men is barbaric. Meanwhile, when you look at the countries that are barbaric, the truly uncivilized society, you look at the United States. The United States that says, a ceasefire in Gaza would benefit of Moss. Just like peace would benefit, Putin in Ukraine. Peace and

why I would benefit Jiji Pink. What kind of barbaric society makes peace consistently their enemy? If peace is consistently your enemy, maybe you're the bad guy. Maybe you're the asshole here. That's the point I was making. Go ahead, John, if you have anything

you want to say or wrap up. Maybe I'm going to do another 10, 15 minutes. I don't want to keep you guys too long. I do another 10, 15 minutes we can begin to wrap up. It is great conversation. Great conversation. Go ahead, John, if you want to chime in.

I just want to see people stand up for the other. I'm 60-4-niz-old. I've been the one that's up for 50-some years. I'm tired. I get it, brother. Okay? Tired to keep repeating myself. Keep telling people things.

You get a few converse here and there. You listen to you. The fact is until we realize that we're all human beings, that we're all connected, and that the people that are above us have no concern for us at all. I feel like you're busy. yeah well said i'm gonna uh continue i'll just have a few quick presentation uh that we can continue and the point and what i showed earlier actually let me start here

i don't know i'm gotta be careful actually because i actually don't know how much i can show on youtube what we are seeing out of gaza my friends it's truly historic level evil like what we are hearing out of gaza once we get the true story of everything that happened it's going to rock humanity tour's core you know how the story

of the Holocaust rocked humanity the story what happened to indigenous people rocked humanity what happened to indigenous slave rocked this is going to be one of the things that we really don't even know

what truly happened yet just the details we already got is unthinkable but then as we continue to learn as we continue to get all these stories it's going to be one of the things and this is why I think Zionism is done because it's over

the moral high ground is done they are completely a scourge of humanity and now I gotta be careful in Zoya my RBM family I really hope I don't get some trouble here there's some stuff I actually cut here it's literally unbelievable

I've been seeing and we are getting a lot of these stories all this evidence all these testimonies that Andrew is using dogs to rape Palestinians I covered how they use hot metal rods to annually rate men to death

we have masturbation and guys and this is not easy to share this is not easy to talk about this is literally horrific and I might get our channel in trouble for this like this viral video this Palestinian on this on this tractor and it's going viral in Israel

could they celebrate in their bodies you guys know there's a big telegram channel super popular in Israel that's pretty much the snuff showing dead Palestinian children this is literally the most barbaric evil we have seen

it's almost a thing I can't even put this in work and once again I got it here because I can't even show everything I want to show because I know it's been going on how long in Israel

okay how long 50 years ago as long as I've been fighting this stuff that's been going on how many thousands of children have killed how many they've got detained this is I mean

we sit back and we go all the dudes were Holocaust and I agree that was horrible but everybody speak about the Congo and King Leopold. Yes sir That's a great point. Okay? Nobody speaks about that. You don't hear about that. He killed five to ten

times more people than any Holocaust ever did. And nobody knows anything about it. He's really, you know. What they know about King Liverpool? They don't have no idea. That's such a great thing, man. That's such a great point. That's what And it's going to continue to go on.

This is not going to stop. As long as we have a militarized industrial conflict that wants to make money, the only way to beat us up is war. Without war, they don't have anything. Go ahead. Yeah, just, I mean, that, it just reminds me so much of one of my favorite remarks

and insights of Amy Cizier, the Great Caribbean anti-colonial thinker in his wonderful work, discourse on colonialism. He said, you know, the colonized have experienced Nazism. Nazism is just, and the scandal of it is just that they did the violence that they've done to black and brown people in the colonies. They decided they could try it in Europe. And once they tried it in Europe, then it became a huge scandal. That's why we hear about it. But as long as it was happening in the colonies, you know, in Africa, in South Asia, Henry mentioned, you know, the deliberate starvation of three million people by Winston Churchill engineered famine.

You know, these things are, people in the West won't even believe you when you tell them this, that this is a fact of history. They just cannot believe it for exactly what you were saying, Nick, is that the barbarism can only be, you know, you know, what the, what the natives do, what the barbarians outside the West do, which is why, you know, Joseph Burrell, who I guess will no longer be the foreign minister of the European community, you know, said Europe is a garden and the rest of the world is a jungle. This is basically colonialist thinking that's been going on for hundreds of years. And it's why we don't hear about King Leopold, you know, and how many. people he killed in the Congo. And when you say, you know, Nick, you showed that video and you as a person with a conscience who stands for justice are, of course, totally scandalized and you cannot believe that this could be unfolding. It's done for the designs. But you know what?

There are so many people who don't believe that that is happening, won't even if you show it to them, you know, really take it to heart. I'm shocked. I'm more shocked. not by what I see the Zionists doing in Gaza, because as John said, it's been going on for so long. What's even a little bit more shocking is how much equanimity there is in the West. The vast majority of people still are not touched and horrified to their core that they have to do something about it. Of course, there are many more people than there used to be. We're expressing solidarity. Well, I understand it because I'm native, and I know what they did in my people.

my grandfather my people how would we come in these white whole tribes out just blake them out and didn't make themselves out to be good guys

if we were the bad guys yeah it's been going on a long time all the time not just the United States but France and Belgium

in England in all these countries they all are about colonialism and power and as long as we can keep the people on some throw a few crumbs at him.

What is he what's said by Rome, circuses, and, uh, and, uh, and parade, you know, well, we keep them entertained. That's all the matter. And I see how it is because, I mean, I get, like I said, I get taken off Facebook. Because when the children, when the kids got killed in Mexico, the students, and they had a span of protest where they did a naked protest. People went out of the street and naked and had things written on their body. I post that on Facebook.

Facebook, boom, you're done. I get throttled on Twitter because of the stuff we post. I actually get posting to say, are you sure you want to tweet that? I mean, it's insanity that we try very hard to get people to understand what the hell is going on. Like you said,

I'm more appalled not so much by the bloodshed and the genocide and the murder and the rates and all the other crap. I'm more appalled by the people and that are allowing this to go on. And they don't pay attention is look at you go, oh, well, you're the bad

guys. No, they're not the bad guy. It's crazy. You're the one of the shit of the bad guy. That's what I'm disgusted by. That's such a good point. See what's going on. You tell them, you show them. You're like, oh, well, you know, they're the bad

guys. That's always the rhetoric. Henry, I think you want to I meant Henry? here he goes again yeah i think you try to restart again i can't hear you try to restart again the imperial mode of living just the one thing that does give me some hope besides of course younger people who seem to be you know clued in and pretty fearless and willing to fight is the fact that if you would have said eight months ago that Palestinian resistance would still be continuing under such an onslaught, I don't know if I would have believed it. I feared the worst.

But what it shows is that a people that is resilient, that maintains its faith in the justice, justice of its cause, they can face up against, you know, empire and all the technology cannot overcome the solidarity of a resilient people standing, you know, on principle. It's just been absolutely amazing. That does give me some hope that the, those who are oppressors, they're oppressors because they want to enjoy the privileges and the fruits of oppression, they want to exploit others so that they selfishly will gain benefits. If they have to suffer, you know, they're not going to, you know, continue with it. I believe that, you know, the Israeli economy, the, you know, as the, you know, the geopolitical isolation, that they will

not bear the price. You know, the Zionist entities' days are numbered because they are not willing to make the sacrifice that the Palestinian people are willing to make for their freedom. They're not willing to make this, make the sacrifice for their oppression of others that the Palestinians are willing to fight for their liberation and freedom. Well, Hamas was agreed by Israel to make sure there was never a second state, two-state solution, secretly bought it through Egypt. But the Hamas is a bad guy Wait a minute

The public masters of Israel Or there's Zionist government But when you spoke about the young As a native, that's something that gives me a lot Yeah Is I've seen what I'm done Like standing rock And there's still fighting standing rock

We've got a pipeline that's running right now 500 barrels of crude oil a day 5,000 stuff like it And it's illegal there is no environmental study nothing. It's an illegal pipeline and Obama allowed it.

He's supposed to be the great one, right? You have to give me hope because they stand up and I see it in Palestine and I see in my own communities. Yeah, I love my little I love my little revolutionary homies right? And speaking of

how people don't stand up and we're saying Gen Z and young American stand up and reject the establishment narrative and record amount. I don't understand like John said, people who don't because I said before and

I come from very generally conservative culture and even though I still I still got some toxic masculinity in me in some way. And I explained it to you guys before. I have this almost spiritual

like it's like deep in my soul like I have to make this shit better for my niece and my lunger cousins than where I left off and I don't understand people who neglect this especially people with children it blows my mind there's only one thing there's one thing to be all going to comment

that we're all going to die one day in about 90 years you know this shit I am not going to be here guaranteed in 90 years so what so only thing that matters and making sure this shit is better than when you was born. And there are a lot of people who just advocate that. It's funny. I was going to watch

Netflix on day. I don't jack off watch porn on day. I don't get it. What you guys see I dedicate my life to, educating people through it and organizing it. And I can't answer that question for people. Why don't people give us shit? Because I see the evil of our government. And it's kind of roll into

what the great point John was making earlier talking about all the evil's lot of people don't talk about. You know that a lot of people invoke Godwin's law, for example. God was law is everyone just talking about the Nazis whenever they talk about evil they talk about the Nazis

and I'm guilty of that too sometimes I thought I'm guilty of that everyone's guilty of that whenever they talk about evil they talk about the Nazis and why do the West do this they do this because they talk about anything modern and we're

they have to talk about what they did they had to go all the way back to Hitler because you talk about the last few decades you're talking about Henry Kitzinger you're talking about Laos and Cambodia well I've been reading about Cambodia Cambodia they bound Cambodia to the stone ages my friend

we killed two million Koreans and you guys understand and Gaza is horrific but when you're seeing it in Gaza what happened in Cambodia and Laos they killed so many North Koreans there are no infrastructure left

there ran out problems there were so many dead children so many main people in Korea and people are why is North Korea the way they are we killed millions of their people we killed millions of people in Vietnam million of people in Laos and Cambodia so that's why whenever they talk about evil

that's why I love the point you made John whenever people talk about evil And once again, I'm guilty of this too. They made me to go out to Hitler because they don't go to Hitler. They're talking about the West, right? But anyway, let me do this very last presentation because I want, so we already go a little bit longer, but it's a fun conversation. And I'm going to just end it on this.

This will be my last presentation. And then we do one more last little roundtable here because it thumbs up the title I have. I had to do this so I know I wasn't trying to clipet you guys. So I have to do the Bricks statement. And we have the, and I want to give you guys thoughts on Bricks. I'm very interested in hearing your guys opinion on this because Brick, what, two decades ago was laughed at as an idea

by the Western world. You guys, you could have fucking posed a threat to the G7. Now in turn to power purchasing parity, GDP, you have Bricks that surprised the G7, which was unthinkable 15 years ago, my friend. Unthinkable. So why is this happening? It's

happening because of this. The fact that the United States sanctions around one third of the world's population. You guys know that? As liberals pretend that other countries are evil, you have the United States that sanctions one third of the world's population. So, something that is a very esteemed development, is that the world is waking up and realizing that the United States dollar, the United States economic system is not reliable. So we're seeing this push toward de-dollarization. We have Malaysia. We had Indonesia.

We have Thailand that just signed up. You had ammo that floated the idea. You had a lot of these countries that flowed the idea. Let me see if I can find this receipt. I didn't have stayed. But I saw something that said, 59 countries. I actually got in my hotspot video that coming out today

that are looking to join breaks. And this is breaking U.S. dominance. And this is the last article I and I want to give you guys thoughts on this. This is my last presentation of the day. You're starting to see the media panic and I wish I could show you guys

the Bloomberg article I found but Bloomberg is a lot. Bloomberg had an article maybe I should pull it up anyway. I'm pretty sure not it can be hard to find where they essentially saying why is everyone in the banding America pretty much just throwing it

a 50 fit over this? I probably should say it. Let me see if I find it. But let me read this line analysis, why more Southeast Asian countries have signaled interest to join bricks. So as MSMHD, CNN,

New York Times, and Washington Post and Jordan fucking Chang is running these fucking made-up political fan fiction stories saying Russia and China is isolated. I know you guys saw that. All these stories. Russia and China is isolated from who? The genociders?

Because I see the global majority. not the third world. We don't use those terms no more, my friend. Not a third world. The global majority is signing up

into this de-dollarization agenda because they're tired of Western hedgermonic dominant. So I keep my pretexts short. I cover this a lot. I'm going to get your guy's thoughts on this. Let's start with Henry. Then we go on and add it.

I'll all open because I think that of all of the people you've ever had on the show, I'm the only one who lives in the city that Bricks is being hosted in. Oh, I live in Kazan, Russia, which is, yeah, which is where the current Brick Summit is going to be hosted in October. The Bricks Games is going on right now.

We have 5,000 athletes from, as you mentioned, the global majority who are here in the city right now competing. I'm going to be going to competition tomorrow as part of the Bricks games. The Bricks Conference of Mayors is happening. Oh, it's terrific. everybody should move to Kazan. Let me just tell you that right now. But I will say about Bricks to not talk just about how great the city is and why everybody should come here.

But let's focus on Bricks. There's two things to be said. The first is for people who, like me, are communists or socialists, Bricks is not necessarily indicative of coming socialism. That is something that I've seen an overly simplistic well. the bricks block is it's against western imperialism so therefore it's going to create an opening for socialism no my friends i am sorry that is overly simplistic and you have to think much more deeply about that what it is doing is it is creating an alternative to the western imperialist coronation's dominance of the international political scene

It is creating an alternative to institutions like the IMF and the World Bank, where the G7 no longer has complete control over the mechanisms of power within the international global stage. This is creating an opening for freedom for countries that are outside of the imperialist corps. But it is not necessarily the coming of socialism. It is not necessarily a socialist institution. We, of course, would love it to be. And we should support Bricks as an alternative to the imperialist corps system that they have set up in the global stage. But we should continue to press for the more radical edge.

the more radical movements that are operating outside of the Imperial Corps. I passed it to the panel. Whoever one try them in for free. Where are Adrienne? Well, I mean, Henry made the right point that it isn't an ideologically coherent and consistent formation, but it provides some space in a multipolar world and alternative. So the important development is the people's development. Development Bank as an alternative to the IMF and the World Bank for alternate forms of financing

for development by countries that don't have to be hamstrung, the neoliberal regimes and the, you know, austerity projects that absolutely destroy public, you know, social services and, you know, investment in education and health and all of these other things that are absolutely necessary for genuine and real development. So that's a very positive, you know, possibility. That's something that certainly is important about the bricks. But one thing that you mentioned, Nick, is that the backfiring of the promiscuous use of sanctions by the United States is exactly what has created the dynamic for alternatives to the dollar as the reserve currency for financial trade and transactions, you know, in the whole world. That,

is something that is extremely important. We had a whole series based on the book Sanctions as War. We had about 10, 12 episodes that were based on this analysis that sanctions that are often seen as an alternative to violence and therefore are acclaimed in international institutions have been imposed unilaterally by the United States illegally and that their effects are just as disastrous as war. And so essentially the United States has been making war on, what is it, like a third of the world's population, you know, and we have dedicated several episodes to case studies of Venezuela and the sanctions and its effects there on Iraq, on Iran, on Syria, on, you

know, all of these countries. And so I do encourage people to check out that series that we did on guerrilla history. podcast of sanctions as war because we really need to understand the devastating effects and consequences of it while also celebrating that it has backfired and it is leading to the possibilities for circumventing, you know, the U.S. sanctions by creating alternatives to the U.S. dollar. Yeah, I'm glad that you guys focus on that on your guys show. We can literally do a whole show on that alone.

Like, I have done so many hot spot videos, so many panels and thought studies over sanctions. And we definitely going to have you guys back on again. So we definitely may do that, especially with the dollarization. But go ahead, John. I want you to chime in on any thoughts. So we begin to wrap up. I think this was a great conversation. Go ahead, John.

Interesting recently was at Open. You know, it's always been backed by the list of dollars since the seven. It's now no longer. They got rid of it. And no longer. Now, everybody thinks, well, you know, we're going to change the world or we're going to make everything on electric and all. How many barrels of all these people got?

It ain't going nowhere. And then we want to talk to electric. And how do you feed electric? Cold fire thing. And you speak out brick. To me, brick is nothing but something new. It's all it is. Put in a different package, a different wrapping.

But it's all going to end up with the same thing. Colonial Power. it's all about. Ain't no other difference in it. You don't give a shit about our people. All I care about is how much money can we make? Just something new in a different package. Communism.

Bad words. Everybody freaks out when they hear these words. But look at the root word. Communism. Community. Socialism. You can say, oh, my God. You're your health. Your fire department, your mail department. Everybody.

That's all social. But I, like I said, I would like to see this brick actually do something and actually become something and some kind of force we reckon with. But I've seen enough of the so-called new order thing. I think it's

always like you to be skeptical. You guys know I'm a very soluble motherfucker. I'm the hype man, but it's always good to have skepticism on any forces of power, which while I'm glad that you brought that up. Henry, I'm glad that John said we said as well. I didn't know when I was going to plan

on making a statement on this. I'm just plugging this. I don't think it's funny because all friends, the hot spot showed my editor, my friends showed this to me. I thought it was hilarious. He had all these people that was explaining out Saudi Arabia had a connection to 9-11. And now,

all of a sudden that Saudi Arabia is pulled out the petro dollar agreement, allegedly. Now, all of a sudden, you got fucking 60 minutes doing fucking these documentaries saying that Saudi Arabia is responsible for 9-11. You can't think that's a coincidence. I'm not saying, I'm not saying,

on this i think it's funny here's here's here's a tweet 23 23 years of silence and now all in a sudden they're willing to blame sottis for funding 9-11 i'm gonna go into this more detail alert but now they do it all these exos days the west is so hurt over society he anyway we can have we can talk about about these topics all day was a great happy guys make a lot to be bad guys because we do i'll start with john john anything any last thoughts and actually um soya thank you for me with your comment I want to end it with you with this because I know you

do a lot of activism and a lot of education around Leonard Reltier and I want to pass it to you any that confidence that you may have thank you for joining us and we definitely have that view on again John Redder Feltier has been in prison nearly 50 years for crime

that has been proved as he didn't do you've got to understand in 1973 I won't need two it was not an occupation with a stand-up against the imperialism of their U.S.-backed council if he wanted to sell the land off for uranium. So, FBI had to kill them all.

And that three years after wounded need, they had what they called the Raid of Terror. For three years, game activists and those that supported them were murdered, hundreds. Backed by the United States government, nobody ever paid for. In 1975, they had jumped a bull ranch.

the FBI decided you're going to send it two of their own as decoys and they were going to kill every single buddy that's there, everybody. He didn't do it if they considered us the bad guys and they were there to kill all of us. And now letters paid

price because letters could have been freed in 1990 three I believe it was if he would admit it that he was the one that shot these agents. But the fact was they sent their own agents then to be murdered. Yeah, it's 9% in the hell. They'll never speak about buddy how he was murdered by an FBI

sniper. He's never mentioned. And now later now we're waiting and hopefully July 11th we'll see if he gets paroled. First time he's been up for a 15 years. It'll be 80 years old in September. Who the hell is he going to hurt?

Let him go home. It's ridiculous. It's all again that keep you under thumb. We did this to him. We could do that to you. That's what's all about why they killed Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Hampton. All that was to keep

everybody under control. We'll do this. If you don't, you'll wind up like them. And they were going to kill Leonard. I mean, he is not in for murder. That's what you can understand. He's not there for murder. He's in there for aiding and abetting a murder. Okay, aiding and abetting a murder. Who the hell is the murderer?

His true code of fetish are found not guilty. So who is the murderer? Who actually did the murder? If you were saying, he's only aiding and abetting. But still, you hold it in a hell in nearly 50 years. And that's to keep the natives on their thumb. I hope he gets out. Yeah.

I've been fighting 50 years of getting the hell out. Yeah, and I appreciate your activism and education. I mean, it's another. one that was that's the same thing when it was made a scapegoat to keep the blacks of their thumb you don't do what we say you could be him phenderson three as well i had a uh uh great guest who did education on that i tried to spotlight political prisoners it's something that people we focus on something that the west engages in and thank you for your education on that i will pass it to grill a history podcast we start with aden it first in henry any lost up any last

I saw anything you want to plug as we wrap up. Thank you for joining us. We definitely have you guys on again. We're like, we can go over St. There's something that we can talk about over a long period and time. It was a great intro. Thank you. Well, I'm so glad that John keeps bringing up the loss of our political leaders,

our radical heroes and figures to assassination. The very first episode we did was with Vijay Prashad called about his book, Washington Bullets. And it's how the United States has, you know, assassinated and killed and undermined resistance movements for justice around the world, domestically and around the world. And you keep mentioning Malcolm X, you know, why did Malcolm X get assassinated? I mean, when he was just, you know, talking about domestic issues in a domestic context, he wasn't so dangerous. dangerous. But when he started questioning U.S. imperialism and forging relationships and solidities transnationally with anti-colonial struggles and anti-racism at home and connecting

the two, then he became super dangerous and they had to eliminate him. So go go something contral pro yeah co-intel pro yeah took and they won after everybody. Forrican, Mexican, native, black, any organization at all. they went after him. Did everything he could to destroy them. And they did. We just scratched the surface,

my friend. We got sold us to cover. So I'll just conclude I'll just conclude by saying free all political prisoners from Turtle Island to Palestine. Very good. Henry, any last words?

Yes, and I am going to apologize for the technical difficulties. My computer is as old as the hills, but I would like to thank you for the invitation. the next time that we're back on, I'll use my wife's computer. It's a lot, a lot nicer than mine. But I would like to, again, thank you and your audience for the time and the space in order to have this conversation.

And I appreciate the invitation for future conversations. There is so much more to say. I'd like to appreciate the contributions of you, Adnan, and John. I'd recommend the listeners to check out the guerrilla history podcast. Like I said, we have about 170 episodes at this point that range between one and three hours long, most of which feature expert guests and academics, writers, journalists, political prisoners, people like, we could name many of the guests that we've had. But you can find guerrilla history wherever you get your podcasts. I also would like to recommend people check out Iskra Books.

I know I've mentioned it a few times throughout the show, but didn't really mention what it is. It's a small, independent, volunteer-run Marxist-Leninist publishing company that I'm an editorial free because it is a political education project first and foremost. So you can download any of the books that you would like at Iskrabbooks.org, or you can help support the project by, of course, ordering print, cop, copies, including the book that I mentioned, I co-translated Stalin History and Critique of a Black Legend by Domenico, the Sourdo.

So, yeah, Czechosurban history. Look at the Isker Books Catalog. We've got a lot more stuff coming out. I've got another book translation project coming out later this year, and I look forward to future engagements with all of you. So thank you very much in solidarity with all of you. your listeners. Yeah, we just crashed the surface. We can do this for another

90 minutes if we wanted to. We definitely got to do another follow-up. You got to know what we're doing here at Nick a knife. I appreciate it. Anytime. Bangor after banger. Johnny, anything you want to add? I just want to say, thank you. Because we don't, as a native, we don't get

at these things very often. When we speak about race, we're kind of like left in dark, they don't want to talk to us about it. So I appreciate being brought on and let me write right no it was it was great i'm definitely going to have you on again i and i we specifically made a point where we went to platform as many indigenous people as possible it's actually hard to find them like i was then zoia that's why i'm because people were scared

people were scared like it said i've been sanctioned i get it i get it you know i have i have palestinians on and they they have their camera off and i'm like that's fine for me because they get retaliated against so i i definitely understand it john i definitely understand and I appreciate having you on. And we definitely will do this again because we still got a lot more to cover. You guys from real. You know, I've seen some of your stuff.

I appreciate what you do. Nice. Nice. Nice solidarity here. I appreciate you guys for joining. Make sure you got to check out all their content for this edition of RBN roundtable, which I'm going to try to make a thing

every two Saturdays or so bring a roundtable of amazing intellectual comrades on. I hope you guys enjoyed. We drop it back. bang after bang if you haven't seen sabby and jv he had the reparations finally yesterday with another roundtable of intellectuals just a new era being a lot of great intellectuals uh brainstorming a way to advance a better future for us and our family so thank you guys for joining have a great weekend my friends thank you

You know what I'm going to do. Thank you.