Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guy: Episode 166 - Kiss Guys with Pat Finnerty

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

See us live on 6/5 at The Royal Theater in Toronto! Get tickets here https://www.theguysery.com/ You wanted the best you got the best. That's right we had our pal Pat Finnerty on the show to talk about Kiss guys. Two guys went at it about the Dolby Atmos 5.1 mix of Alive 1, Pat saw Gallagher and the story is crazy. Read a Mini Kiss review RIP to mini Gene and which guy from Kiss would you want start a small business with? Is Kiss a money grab and Ticketmaster reviews! There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST at twitch.tv/notevenashowand I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to guys, a podcast about guys was going to do a Gene Simmons impression, but are Paul Stanley. Actually, Gene Simmons, I don't think is the guy that talks and kiss. I'm Brian. That's sorry. I just want to clarify, he's not, maybe not the one who sings, but he's definitely the one who talks. We got Chris here. We're going to talk about kiss guys. And when I said that we were going to do this with our guest, everybody's like, perfect guest for this episode.

so then I emailed him and he said, I've never listened to a Kiss album. We have Pat Fitterty. How's he going? I've never been more underqualified for something yet qualified at the same time because I live on this planet. So therefore I know who Peter Chris is. So, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they're such a huge band. But I think I'm when I was a little kid, I listened to them. I think it's like children's rock music. That's the way I really look at it. Like it seems like it like, really appeals to young people, like young, young people. But it, I've never listened to like, since I turned, I think 12 years old, I haven't on purpose listened to any kiss music at all either. I'm going to let the 75 year old guys post that we're going to be reading today know that it's for kids. Well, I think that it's for kids who are now 75, but I think that, you know, they started listening when they were kids probably. I think I'm probably the, well, I guess Chris, I wouldn't have expected you to have listened to Kiss. I like three kiss song or two kiss songs. Yeah.

Maybe three. They sing I want to rock and roll. I want to rock and roll all night and party every day, right? That's them. Yeah. That's the one that I think was like in when I was younger, I was like, well, this is classic rock. This is like the good shit, you know? Like that was, it was just like, to me, it felt like one of the like top classic rock songs. And so I guess I didn't really, I maybe listen to two or three of their songs on. compilations and shit like that. Yeah. I just heard the one song rock and roll all and I never got even when I was 11 and hearing the songs that are still on the radio right now for the first time.

Even like from seven till I heard rock 107 the home of rock and roll in Scranton. They had a DJ Lou Fontaine. Lou Fontaine never plays just one Rolling Stone song. Oh, hell yeah. Then they played another Rolling Stone. You heard the man Lou. Get that lead out. Hey, hey, mom.

So, like, when I was first hearing those songs and rock and roll all night came on, even I'm, I'm not making this shit up. Even at the age of 10 or whatever, I didn't think it had any balls. I was like, this doesn't have any fucking balls, man. There's something about this song that didn't stack up, even against like double vision. When I heard double vision, I'm like, Fuck, yeah. Like rock and roll.

I was just like, I don't know about this. I feel like it definitely didn't have any balls. I think that when I was that age, I did not want the music to have balls. To be scary. I always talked to. I was scared by it maybe. Yeah. My co-host on the POD cast where we talk about new metal, John talks about how like part of

what appealed to him about like a lot of that music was that he was kind of scared of the bands. But then when he first saw Slipknot, he was legitimately scared of him and could and watch it. He was just like, I can't, I can't be involved with this. It's terrifying. Yeah, I liked my music a little silly at that point still, I think. And to me, KISS seemed very obviously the makeup and shit like that, but even the music itself seemed like very kind of silly and light, you know. I think I had probably only heard rock and roll all night and party every day, maybe like Detroit Rock City or something like that until guitar hero came out. And then I, Strutter was on it.

And I liked playing it because it's easy. It's an easy song to play on guitar here. I don't know. It sounds like guitar lessons when you're actually listening to the song. It sounds like someone doing guitar lessons. But I remember liking that and I like the disco song. I was made for loving you. That one's my favorite one.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I like that all right, I guess. Well, I liked it. I don't know. Again, I haven't heard it in a long time. I let's do it four times today. Hmm. But those 75 year olds can't be happy about that.

The fact that the disco song is, number one. I mean, that's basically what the song, that that's the band right there in a nutshell. You know, it's always kind of fascinating to me. Like if you go on to Beatles, Spotify or Beatles, Apple Music, whatever. Um, George won. Like, it's like something and, uh, here comes the sun. He's got two in the top five, which, you know, I'm not, I'm not likening that to the fucking the disco song of Kiss. It's just, it's an outlier. But the, but Kiss, their whole thing, all of the rock and roll, all of it and the disco song is number one. I know. And it's, it's, it's really the only really good song they have that we will talk about that later. I did go to kiss facts, F-A-Q, kissfack.com. Click it up is their, uh, is that it's, lick it up is, it's a reference to something.

Click it. Take it up. I was so young. I was really young when that happened. And I remember when, when they took their makeup off. I was like, so, wait. too young to understand anything about what was going on. But it was on the MTV and like I started watching MTV when I was like six. It was like the only thing I watched like growing up. And I remember this happening and then me convincing myself like this is going to be crazy when we see them without their makeup. And then seeing it and being like, wait, I don't even know what makeup they were. I didn't even know they wore makeup. I'm too young to understand anything. The only metal album I had, I had two metal albums when I was really young. And it was Motley Crew, Dr. Feel Good and Metallica and Justice for All.

Those are only two metal albums I had. The rest were like Fat Boys records and stuff like that. So I was like, yeah, I don't know these guys. These, on Kiss Fack, this is a weird one. I thought this is great for you, Pat, because I think, this guy says, here's an email I sent to UMG, Universal Music Group, regarding the Kiss Alive Atmos 5.1 mastering error. Here's the...

Yeah, this is for me. Good evening. On the Atmos 5.1 surround mixes for the Kiss Alive box set, the audio for Rock Bottom was mastered incorrectly. The bass track starts a few seconds too soon and is out of sync for the entire song. This makes the song unlistenable, which ruins. the experience of listening to the entire album. I'm not sure how this made it past quality control.

I am. They didn't listen to it. I know how it made it past quality. The same way like an error will happen with our show when it releases. Hey, come on. Yeah, that's me editing it. And it's because, yeah, I add, if someone said that, like, don't you listen to this before you put it out?

And I was like, no, of course not. I don't listen to the whole thing all the way through after I've edited it, you know? like that would be fucking hell for me. And it's probably the same way that, yeah, that Boba the Love Sponge on his documentary has Statue of Limitations in writing on the screen. Well, when it says it's the, it's a box set too.

If you imagine listening to a kiss box, that's like those Facebook guys that have to like go through all the really horrible videos to find out of, like that's listening to the whole kiss at most 5.1 box set would be hell for me. Jesus Christ. And like I was listening to, I mean, for the hour before this, I was like, I'll listen to five kiss songs.

This is what I'm going to do to prep for this. While I was doing like backstretches, I was like, all right, here we go. So I put on Kiss live because that's the one that people are always talking about, right? Yeah. And the fucking canned audience is insufferable. Like the one thing I hate the most is like when you're watching live performances and then they go to the crowd and they spike the, yeah. You know it's edited up like the. the crowd noise. But there's no way, like maybe Beatlemania and a couple of Taylor Swift,

maybe even at a Taylor Swift, like they don't, there's no 10 of like, yeah, going through an entire song. And that whole entire song I listened to is just people screaming during the entire strutter or deuce or whatever the fuck I listen to. So I can do that. And then I moved on to something else. I forget what it was. I listened to, they all sound like shitty stones. Like you're learning how to play a stone song. To me.

Everyone. Everyone sounds like learning. It doesn't sound like an actual song. And I'm not even good at anything. No, you're right. Like, this is how Keith Richards would do something.

And then like, oh, that's a kiss song. Do you know what I mean? Like that's pretty much. Or New York dolls. Like if you put those two together and then you put the makeup on there. But yeah,

to listen to a whole entire, I can't like oh you I can't watch my own stuff like that's the hardest part of the videos that I make is that I'm like I have to watch this now again like just again and again and again like when you're editing something you have to watch it so many times that it just it's that's that's the hardest part yeah listening to the podcast and I'm like oh man Chris you just me you said you decided to bring that up again you know come on man people hate that he goes I don't know how this made a past quality control but And I expect for this issue to be corrected in a replacement disc with the correction to be sent out free of charge. Please let me. You think Kiss is going to send anything to anyone free of charge? That is the craziest thing I've ever heard because that is the one thing I know about Kiss is that they are psychotic with merchandising. Like I've never seen anything like it.

Like they would have like $1,000 limited edition like bullshit, not even an album, just like some bullshit merchandise. Like their whole thing was making as much. money off the band as possible. They're monetizing this. Like, yeah, somehow. Like, you're actually paying Gene Simmons right now. It's so funny that you just like unlock this thing when we were talking about what we thought of Kiss when we were younger.

When I was 18, I was had my friend paint me up like Shaggy Tudow for Halloween for trick or treat. I don't know why I was trick or treating at 18. I'm not sure what was going on, but I was walking around with somebody and we went to a house and they were like, oh, you look like kiss. And I'm like, I do not look like. Like I got mad that they would confuse me with kiss. And so I think I didn't, I really didn't like kiss at that time.

Which is funny because ICP is kind of painted like kids. Yeah, I think they probably is a bit of an omar or like they were influenced a little bit in their painting. But yeah, to you, they were just like kisses like ICP knockoff basically. Yeah. And he goes, please let me know when I can expect to receive this corrected replacement disc. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So when did he get it?

I don't think he got it. I'm going to let you know. I do not think he got the disc. But now this turns in, this thread turns into a real not. This first guy goes, good luck. Their QC's not exist. And seriously, how the fuck can a reverse image of the band be an official release by said band? So I think also one of the pictures in it was a reverse image.

they put it in wrong then this guy goes uh i sent an email this afternoon and they wanted a video and picks of my first born child and i did send them about a 15 second video back anyhow so he was joking making a joke but then also i did send him the video but he's he's kiss riffing on this a little bit that like this is how far you'd have to go to even get something out of these people right so this next one so one song with an error ruins whole disc. Good point because can you listen to the other songs still and just skip over that one? No, Pat's shaky. It's a head. That's ridiculous thing. The whole album, man. I listen to it all the way through. No, I get, I do get that. Yeah, like I do like to, if I like an album, I like to listen to the

whole thing start to finish. But I think that you could still enjoy the other songs probably. Nope. You got to skip it. If you got to skip one song, how do you enjoy the album? Yeah, you're not, you're not enjoying the experience. Yeah. Not the one that Kiss wanted you to have. Right. Kiss intended you to have a specific experience. In the bass note and rock bottom. Being off a fucking half note. Rock bottom.

Yeah. This guy goes, they'll tell you it's done. I've never heard the song, but that's how it goes, right? Yeah, that's probably it. This guy goes, they'll tell you it was done intentionally. Oh. Like, oh, I see. They'll lie about it and claim that it was done intentionally.

And maybe like, I don't. don't know. Is there a chance this guy's wrong or do you think that he's definitely right? Here one second, we will have some opposing opinions, but I do want to bring this up. You'd think after spending $288 plus tax shipping, you would not receive a defective dis? It's crazy, man. That's what I'm saying. They are just, they are the worst at absolutely just like ringing their fans out for every single penny they have. It is $280.00. for it's just an album right a box set. I think it's a box set of Kiss Alive. Yeah. So it's probably several versions of the same songs on different because it's a live's a live album. So it's probably

it's probably my guess it's like five versions of Rock Bottom from different concerts at the time. I see. You can listen to all the different ways they played Rock Bottom, which were probably all exactly the set. Yeah. Yeah. They're not the kind of bad. They're not the kind of bad. They're not the kind of. a band that like really like jams out on their songs or anything in concert i don't think yeah this isn't the fucking string cheese incident you know what i mean they're they're playing fucking i was made for loving you no and detroit city the same way like if anything went off on one of their shows at any time nobody's getting back on you know what i mean that comes up later that actually does come up It's like when I saw Metallica and they did that jam in the middle of the show where they had Robert Trujillo and Kirk Hammett do a jam.

Yeah. And James and Lars just walked off stage. That was so they could go have coffee. I've ever heard in my life. They could go drink coffee in the middle of the show, which is a real thing, yeah, that James Helfield has to do now. But you're saying it wasn't good. It was not a good jam. Wasn't in their wheelhouse, maybe, of what they used to do.

No, no, I did not rock to that. And then they made a funny title for it. I wish I could remember it. This guy goes, that's not a mastering error. That obviously happened when it was mixed. A Facebook friend pointed this out to me a couple days ago. And I posted here asking about it since I only bought the iTunes version. This friend contacted customer service and they're getting back to him.

I'm sure they'll send a replacement. BR wants enough people complain. Just like the Destroyer resurrected Flaming Youth Edit screw up. Oh, the famous destroyer. I remember the first time I heard about that. it's all people talked about in my high school yeah considering how many double hit snare sample mist triggers they left all over the live shows it's not a big surprise that this wasn't given a very serious finalism by attentive ears these guys are so cool this is the coolest plus like mastering

like they kind of said that the mastering just equals out the volumes of stuff like it doesn't you're not moving shit like mixing and and that's where the bass would move and you can like kind of like move stuff around and that mastering just kind of equals out everything it it makes everything sound like the tracks sound the same volume and sound like you know it's well he's wrong about the where this error occurred well there's some argument this guy goes so you think they master an album with the individual tracks i thought you were a sound guy you think the mastering house put one bass guitar track out of sync on one song in the middle of a concert. Mm-kay.

Please explain that process to us all. He hit him with the, okay? And he replies and goes, you do know that mastering a Blu-ray is a different thing than mastering audio, correct? Maybe authoring is the better word to use here. I'm an audio guy,

not a sound guy. Oh, okay. I kind of thought those were the same thing, but I'm ignorant. Well, now we open up some old wounds. I know you think you know everything there is to know about everything and can't be wrong about anything and it's a waste of time and energy you've engaged with you. So at this point, I shall disengage. So they know each other these two guys.

Yeah. They have a history. They have a history of arguing about kiss mastering mistakes. Holy shit. Two guys that have been on the same because it's a forum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two guys that have been on the same forums. It's like 2004.

If you're on a forum enough, you will get sort of like a forum nemesis and you'll have like people become sort of well known for shit, I guess. Well, then the guy goes, no, actually, that is you. And this is why your post. No, actually, I know you are, but what am I? This is why your post validates my blocking you. If you hadn't been up my ass so much in the past about your quote expertise in these matters, I wouldn't have even mentioned it.

Hopefully customer service will overlook the whole quote, mastering process. thing and forget what you, what, figure out what you meant. I do agree it would ruin the whole disc, though. I'm sure they'll send out a new BR to everyone who asks. And then the guy goes, why can't you be a bigger man than I and admit you're wrong here? It's no big deal. Oh, wait. To do that, you'd have to quote, engage again. Good night to you. Now this next got, now this next one gets even crazier. Uh, you've been on podcasts and Eddie Trunk and thousands of people love your shitty audio remixes. Why does it matter that I don't to this guy. Oh, so this guy,

he's caught the eye of the ear of Eddie Trunk. So this guy is like a note. So this guy is like a sound guy who goes on podcast and stuff. So he may be, he might be like an audio engineer or something. Yeah. He's one of those guys that takes the, the album and, and fixes it or whatever. Yeah. It took us, it took us 23 minutes to get to Eddie Trunk. Yeah. The over, The over and under was 18 with me on the show. It should have been like 11, but especially talking about kids, but that's nice. We've invited Eddie is now in. Yeah.

We could go to trunk whenever we want now. He's the biggest. He's, he freaked out this last rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah. Like I've never seen him like that before. I've seen him get mad about it. Yeah. But I think what happened was, and I've said this a few times, Shakira getting on there.

Yeah. melted their brains. Yeah, they just, they couldn't figure out like pink and Shakira. It just was like, and they're probably still yelling about it. Like the robot thing might actually happen where like the head turns into a row,

like explodes because it's not rock and roll. It's called the rock and roll. Hall of Pff, you know what? Pat, did we discuss last time? Do you know a guy named Michael Nolan for any chance?

Because we, we listen to him. We didn't tell Pat about Michael. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes crazy about it. And he had a huge. fit about i mean this year's inclusions were pretty wild with secure and pink and wutang clan it

really freaked a lot of these guys out for sure uh here's a question from r slash kiss which member of kiss would you most like to start a small business with i mean i mean the businessman is what's is fucking jean simmons he's a he's a business guy but then you would have to interact with and have conversations with Gene Simmons regularly, which is like, I don't know if it's actually worth it for his business expertise. Because by all accounts, he seems like one of the worst guys in music.

Like he seems like one of the most hateable. Everybody hates him. He's such a sleaze ball. Like, he got banned off of much music in Canada for licking one of the VJ's ears. And I would like remember it. And it's like, it's really, really.

Did that traumatize you? It really kind of did in a way. it was like really fucked up because she was so uncomfortable and like it was so fucking disgusting he like did it live on air he just licked her ear and like so he seems like everybody hates his guts you know yeah seems like the worst guy in a planet yeah one of them yeah this guy goes jean simmons not saying he's the greatest guy around or even a business partner but dude knows how to get money that's the main priority with getting a business going and then i noticed a subset of kiss fans that really admire their business acumen, which I thought was a kind of funny way to be a fan of a band.

Yeah. You know? This guy goes, this is the only correct answer. If your money is your goal, you got to go with Team Gene. And then this guy goes, Paul, he'd be the perfect business partner for success, stability, and longevity. Gene, perfect business partner for exposure and getting every last penny available with extreme success. But with the best interests of himself at the forefront, potentially screwing. you over.

Ace, successful at the start, but the business would end up bankrupt due to becoming rich and then neglecting all the hard work created at the start. Peter, relying solely on you to do the majority of the work, leach off your hard work, and then complain the entire time about everything, becoming virtually impossible to be in partnership with. So I'm going Paul in that. What do you think? You're going Paul or is the person going to Paul?

He went, well, if I'm going with all of those options, I'm going Paul probably because he has stability and longevity. And it's been around Gene enough that maybe he's picked up a couple of like he's a little bit more sufferable. And I guess, I guess. Yeah, I'd probably go Paul to. I mean, the sleaze factor of Gene is amazing. I mean, these guys, they shouldn't be allowed in the wild. These like old rock guys, man that like think that everybody wants to have sex with them at all times.

Like I was recently sidebar, but I was recently watching this new, or not new, but like there's this. YouTube series with this woman Kylie Olson. I think that's her name. I don't know what it is, but she goes and talks about guitars with like these old rocker dudes. And I'm like, you got to get out of there. It's getting a little hot in here, huh? Honey, let's take the jacket off.

Like she's with like, you know, all of these. She's with even like Rick Nilsson's getting a little to, like you can't send in a young woman around these guys. Like they're not, you know. They still feel like they're the, they're like they only know that one. way when they grew up and everyone was throwing themselves at them that they've never really gotten out of that yeah i always when i picture paul i picture him in the decline of western civilization too

where he's like laying in a bed with a bunch of women yeah and it's the his old interview is him laying in a bed with a bunch of women and you don't get a sexy vibe from it at all it really feels like he was like hey can you guys come in here and lay in the bed with me so it looks like i'm with a bunch of women. Right. Like it was really disturbing. This guy goes, the only one I would have trusted was Eric Carr. Gene would.

Guy that likes Eric Carr. We're into the replacements now. So that's what, 24 or 26 minutes. We've made it to Eric Carr. Eric Carr, Bruce Kulick, you know. Yeah. A lot of guys love those two guys. Tommy something.

There's a Tommy. Isn't there? Tommy Thayer. Yeah, Tommy Fiery, yeah, of course. I think Vinny Vincent. Those are like the newer guy. Those are the guys that they added after A. They got rid of the other.

Yeah. This guy goes, the only one I would have trusted was Eric Carr. Gene would only be there for the money. Peter wouldn't really care enough. Mark was always kind of sketchy. Now, I don't know which Mark we're talking about. Once the business became successful, Vinny would try to sue you. Tommy would do whatever you told him.

But I don't think you'd bring it. Tommy must be the guy that he'll do whatever you tell him to, you know. But I don't think he'd bring anything new or original. Singer would be around as long as the money stable. Ace is fun, but a bit too flaky. And Paul would tell everyone that it was all his idea and that he did everything. Okay, so they're just using like. Having a riff.

And they're sort of flexing their knowledge about the band. Well, this guy says Tommy Thayer. Yeah. that's what I'm liking about this because I'm learning we're learning about the you know they're flex and how much they know about the band but we're we're learning at the same time yeah totally it's totally it's nice to know that Tommy would do basically do anything you ask yeah Tommy's the Patsy yeah Tommy said it'd be called sort of equal with the real thing to be an on and off again bargain shop oh no he goes Tommy's there it'd be called

sort of sort of equal with the real thing and be an off brand bargain shop If not him, then an Italian restaurant with Vinnie Vincent, though I wouldn't trust them with the money. Yeah. How many guys did they have? I lot. They have one of those. Yeah. If they want more money, they're out.

Yeah. And then also, I think it's probably like, it's really hard to work with Gene Simmons probably, right? So it's like a lot of people are brought in and then they're like, well, I don't want to do this. It's not worth it, you know? It honestly seems like only one guy can work with Gene Simmons. And that's Paul. Paul Stanley. Yeah.

I don't know how Paul's still in the band. I don't know how, I don't know how they're still like those two are together, how that's not also one of those bands where they both have separate, like the guess who I think is a band? I mean, he must be a sleaze ball too or whatever. I don't know much about him because he, Gene is obviously out there and everyone's face with the reality shows and stuff. But he must just be like a sleaze ball as well and sort of like see eye to eye on stuff with Gene. He doesn't do drugs. They don't get fucked up. So that's the, I think that's what Gene respects about Paul.

Paul probably just goes and has orgies. Gene loves the money and they can, you know, Paul's going to show up on time. He's going to be there. He's going to run the show, you know, and he's going to have his chest out and he doesn't need to replace him. And he needs him. I think he doesn't wear a wig. Does he sing? He does he currently wear a wig?

Paul's the singer. Oh, yeah. He's the high voice. He's the, come on everybody. Let's go. Yeah, okay. So then that makes sense that like maybe like Gene is willing to like pay him more or like, you know what I mean?

Like he's willing to make more allowances and shit like that because he knows that that's like a key part of kiss. If they lose that, then they sort of aren't kiss anymore, you know? Exactly. There are so many. Well, I don't know how well they draw actually. So I wouldn't. There are so many of these classic rock bands running around with like no original members or

and I don't know how well they do. But it's got to be some. what worth it to go out there. As Eddie would say, they do good business. Yeah. They do good business. Yeah, they're just paying for the logo. That's it. They just want the logo.

They don't care who's up there. But it is amazing. I was thought about like doing like a farm of just like old rocker guys that like look 10 years older than they actually are so that their bodies are in good shape that they could do it. But they were like a believable Kansas. You know what I mean? Where it's like, yeah, I don't know. Nobody knows what Kansas looks like.

So it's like, yeah, that must be Kansas. They look like they're 74. Yeah, that's actually so true. There's like so few of them that are like really like recognizable or whatever that you could just throw a group of the right age dudes out there. And they can probably play the songs too. Like cover bands are great. You know what I mean? Like can do a really good job of playing the music and shit.

They're already doing it. I mean, foreigner like this is real Eddie Trunk. But like foreigner hasn't had an original member in like 10 years. Like there's no. And they're just on foreigner just got a new sense. that replaced their old singer, Kelly something. I should know this last name. I'm so mad that I don't, but it's Kelly something.

Kelly Hansen, I believe. That was the replacement singer. And now people are like, this guy isn't as good as Kelly. Kelly is a replacement. That's where we're at here. They forgot about the original guy. People just think that Kelly was the original guy. Yeah.

Lou Graham is Brian. Where's Lou Graham from? Come on. Lou Graham from as he is Rochester New York Oh I thought he's gonna be

From Canada Actually I I always think of all these bands Like Them and the The winds of change God damn it What is that?

Scorpions. They're all for I always just think them And foreigner From Russia for some reason I think scorpions are Because you're thinking Of one line

Which is down to Gawkey Park This is a weird post. I just wanted to read this because there's a kiss for sale, buy sell trade group on on Facebook. And I found this posting very funny to me for some reason. For sale, one Gene Simmons autographed bottle of kiss for him cologne. One Jean Simmons autographed bottle of kiss for her perfume. Isn't her? One scented. Paul Stanley car hangar.

This is what I mean, man. They will merchandise literally anything. It is crazy. I want to know the sense. Like, what is the, what is the fragrance makeup of these things? This is Spaceball's the flame thrower. Like in real, real life. But yeah, like, is it like a little bit of B.O.

After the show, you know, a little grondel. A little grondel in there, like cock and balls. he goes one scented jean simmons car hanger one jean semen's sample one paul stanley kissed perfume samples so there is also a paul stanley perfume so they all have their in there's a kiss one that you just maybe it's just all of the different scents put together but there is like each person has their own individual and the car hanger is like a is like a air freshener yeah yeah yeah okay uh two scented kiss fragrance stickers five kiss logo scents cards five cent of kiss.

What is the smell? Yeah. What is the smell? I'd do anything to know the smell. Yeah, they obviously thought it. They were pretty proud of the smell. They were sticking it on everything, you know. Well, yeah, because it's five-cented kiss logo tattoos.

I like this sound of this band. What do they smell like? One kiss fragrance price guide and one XL never been worn Kiss fragrance T-shirt that you could only get at the appearance. I paid for the two bottles at a Gene Simmons Kissed Fragrance Meat and Greet at Belk at a South Point Mall. There's a kiss fragrance meat and greet. No, I'm like, oh, no, I've never heard the band before. I'm just a fan of the fragrance.

So what do you say? We get together. How's ever, you know, let's get some heads together here. That's crazy. Like, I don't want to, you know, but like, I don't, you find yourself going to a kiss fragrance, meat and grain. This must have been like a famous. thing if there people are having meetups for it or whatever it must be like a well-known thing well he does explain a beat and greet at belk in the south point mall and i think it's technically

raleigh north carolina i think you had to buy the two bottles i think it was ninety eight dollars to get a quick picture with jean i was near the front of the line so i hung around and watched how things went we were really not we were really nice to the ladies working at the perfume counter and they gave us all the rest of that stuff so there you go that is uh the price is two hundred and $250 for all the so this so this isn't really making much money really yeah yeah yeah yeah dollars for the two bottles she's charging $2.50 for all this stuff I would break it all apart you know sell it individually uh the problem he's selling the price guide so it does show how much it's all worth oh yeah well here's a thing I I didn't know about this and it's a real bummer

because I just got back from L.A and there's one in L.A.X uh rock and bruise this is a restaurant owned by Gene and Paul. And I wish I would have known about it because I would have definitely ate it at the airport. I was at the airport for fucking ever that day. So this is their menu. I can read a few of their menu items. They got a South by Southwest egg rolls. I don't know why is named by South by South West.

That's catchy. That's really catchy South by Southwest egg rolls. And did they play South by Southwest a lot? Is that? Absolutely never. It doesn't seem like, yeah. Sergeant Pepper's handcrafted halapeno poppers. Oh, so it's just a rock.

It's not kiss themed. Owned by them, though. It's owned by them, but it's just rock theme. I get it. Wait, fucking say that again. Sergeant Pepper's what? Handcrafted jalapeno poppers. I mean, you get peppers and poppers, but like Sergeant Pepper's, you know,

sausage, sergeant sausage and peppers. Yeah. I mean, like, there's so many things you could do there. This is just, it's mozzarella sticks. t-y-x oh sticks yeah yeah okay uh

shrimply irresistible that's my favorite one not I mean the rest of I mean Hotel California Cobb salad

that one's not that one's not Hotel California roll yeah yeah oh there's salad the salad section of theirs is highway

to health um So that's pretty good. It's just not it's weird that they're not all named after rock bands. I think is what what kind of bums me out here. So anyway, they kind of are. Some of them. Oh,

you're saying that they're pork sandwich. So there's just some that have no theme of name at all. A ton of them. Demon chicken sandwich for the kiss demon. Okay. Island and the shun shrimp, son, shrimp tacos. That's hard to say. I'm not going to.

Yeah. So that's a few of the, oh, the margarita pizza is called the Margaritaville pizza. So that's pretty cool. The reviews are not very good. What? They must be haters or whatever. Rock and Blues in L-A-X? Well, no, this is in Milwaukee.

This is in a casino in Milwaukee. Oh, okay. So they get all the top placements, the airport, the casino. Yeah. Where you find your best food, usually. Location, location, location. You guys, you're not going to, this is a score. I'm telling you, this might be the lowest score I've ever seen for anything.

It's got 268 reviews, 2.4 stars. On Google? On Google. Holy shit. Yeah, you never see. Yeah, the worst restaurants I can think of will be like 3.5 or whatever. Like a 3.5 restaurant, you're like, oh, I can't go there. Like that's, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Well, this person, uh, I, God damn keyboards doing it. That's just laziness on Google. Like you can't find 500 people. Like you can't tell your family enough people to like spike up fives to get you over a three. Yeah. Yeah.

It's crazy. Even you think the Kiss fans, right? Yeah. Just alone. The ones who don't even go to the restaurant. But they're like, hey, I'll support everything that Gene and and Paul do. They would spike it. Yeah.

The kiss fans are not fucking thrilled at all. I'm sorry. My fucking. Oh, maybe the Kiss fans. are pissed because they wanted to be all kiss themed and they're like pissed off because they're like i fucking hate fucking jimmy buffett you know what i mean as a kiss fan this place needs jean and paul to come to town to put the hammer down so they they want jean and paul to come in like um like what john taffer style oh put them in bar rescue with they would jean would yeah he would definitely

be there phil wills somebody should send a message i think taffers still doing his thing Last I checked. So I think someone should send a message suggesting. I guess the owner themselves or the person, it's probably franchise, right? They would have to actually request it. You can't be like, go to this restaurant because that would be a fucking episode. I saw John Taffer live. Really?

Give a speech. What did he play? It was like a 20 minute speech. And he screamed for 20 minutes. That's all. Lost off stage and left. It was insane. How did you end up seeing it?

Like, did you pay, like, buy tickets to a show? Pay for it myself. Me and Matt Christman from Chapo Trap House. He was giving Americans for Prosperity meetup thing with like Jeb Bush and Bobby Jindle and all those freaks there. But he was giving a speech. And we smoked fucking weed all day, like got really high. And when Tafer came on stage, a lot of the people left because they were there for the

Republican stuff. You know what I mean? They weren't really there. He wasn't the big headliner. He was in the. big draw. No, like a Jet Bush is going to headline over a Taffer, I think, and this time, this is like 2015. Yeah, uh, 2016. So, uh, we go and everybody leaves. So we get to sit in the front row and I'm sitting in a front row. And I just feel like John Taffers personally screaming at me

about starting a small business army. That's what he was yelling. The actual video is online. We'll have to watch it sometime on the screen. It is psycho. Can you see you? Um, no. I don't think it would get me in the audience. If you really want to hear it, You could go back and Chapo's, uh, just their thing way back. We did an episode about it. Kai Taffer's intense, man. I saw Gallagher once and he came down the aisle first and I was real high. This is like 20 years ago, real high.

And like maybe 30 years ago at this point, whatever, Gallagher comes down and I didn't know that. He comes out to my prerogative. So I'm real high and my prerogative is blasting. And I'm like, this is amazing. And you're like, you know where the sledge am at going to be? And it's like, this is fucking. everything and I can't handle it and I look over and it's Gallagher and he's just coming down the aisle and he's staring at me like three feet away Galger just squirking into my soul I'll never forget that

and he was doing like he was doing his sledge of magic he wasn't doing his weird political stuff and talking about how you know they could get all the water from Mexico and things like that no man this thing got darker than dawn man. This thing was like he I've I actually Brian I told this story on the best show once I called in I don't even but he picked up this penguin and he started hosing down this guy in the front row and during my prerogative this is before the show and he's got this penguin that's like this like fire hose kind of fucking uh PSI of water coming out drilling this guy and we're all laughing but then it started to get a little weird because the guy's like please stop but Gallagher wouldn't stop he was just hosing him down with this penguin and the guy the hair was going

everywhere and it's like skin was getting red and then you know so that started the show and then he went on a whole thing about what's up with all these kids with these earrings in there in their ears man they're a bunch of yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean and he said it he didn't spell it yeah he was on his started leaving yeah yeah that was that was during his massive walkout phase where he was like everyone was walking out because they were like we want to see a guy you know hitting watermelons or whatever with the but i don't think anything and we get back to kiss. I don't think anything's funnier than what I saw. And I hung in there just to see what was happening. But there was nothing funnier than when you see just like

disgruntled like 57 year old people with the tarp leave. Like they had the tarp. Like you know what I mean? Because they wanted to get hit with shrapnel from the fucking sledge dramatic, but they hadn't. Yeah. They had to take their tarp and they fucking carried their tarp out. It was one of the best nights of my life. Yeah. same time it's so funny because chris chris chris chris chris went to see burke chrycher uh and he comes out to before he takes his shirt off he comes out to uh fortunate son yeah so the place goes fucking nuts and he comes out to fortunate son it just rips his shirt off and it's like the place goes out you said like oh you never hear a crowd like just go crazy for like though when burke crazier rips his shirt off well

fortunate son is playing it's like no sound i've ever ever heard before. But my prerogative is, my prerogative, I think Gallagher coming out to my prerogative is maybe a lot weirder. Oh, in like 2003, too. You know what I mean? Like, this isn't like a, this isn't a 94 prerogative or a 92 prerogative. This is an early aughts prerogative.

That's so lucky to have seen that truly because I think that that's like I would pay so much money to see Gallagher, you know, not now. I think he's really lost his fastball. I think he's dead. Oh, he died. He died. He has lost his basketball. You can still see Gallagher 2 probably.

But yeah, I just think in that era where he was still, he still did have the sled, like he was still doing the sledge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, but he's still doing that, but he's also completely gone like not so. And yeah, that would have been one of the best. What type of venue was it? It was the Keswick Theater in Glenside, Pennsylvania. And I, and he, I have the whole entire thing.

Like, I was real high, but I, I have the whole entire thing memorized. I mean, I could do the whole show for it. Like, it's a photographic. Like, he had the striped shirt on. Like, it was amazing. And he, he brought this real quick. He brought three kids up on the stage and he had a garbage can and he gave them all cans of soup.

And he said, you three kids try to get this can of soup in that garbage can. And so the kids are up there. They're like 10 years old. He's gone on like a somewhat homophobic rant at this point. Things are weird. he's like now throw this chunky soup and then that can't so the first kid did it and he made it and the crowd goes great and then the second one made it and he's great and then the third one shot missed then he goes here it is folks in this life and this is a good lesson for you kids to learn

there's winners and there's losers these two kids winners this kid loser oh my god the kids like crying and nobody's laughing yeah awesome and then he brings out the sledge of manner because starts hitting fucking eggs. It was it was incredible. Yeah. That is so fucking great. And then the family laughed like they laughed like people are just leaving at all times. So by the end of it like when he finally got to the watermelon half full at best. Brutal. Yeah. Oh, cowardly honestly. Like I get the people were upset or whatever, but stick around for the watermelon. That's like that's what you came for, you know. Yeah. All right. Uh, this is from, we'll go back to kiss fact. How lucky were we to get 96, 97? That was a reunion tours year. That was the last

full kiss. Oh, I see. I was going to say they've toured about a hundred times since then, but that was the last time when they had the original members. Yeah. He goes, even though, quote, something with all four had really passed from the realm of possibility, we all sort of joked and naysayed about it. I think deep down, we're all hoping for third time seeing what we loved in some way, shape, or form. We got the original run of the four in the reunion. And yeah, many said the reunion was enough, but I'm sad and missing ace today. And realizing that moment of the four of them were... Today.

Just today I woke up finding myself missing ace. It's a tough day. Missing ace today and realize that moment of the four of them, even being in the same room, is never going to come. That little spark of magic only ever works with the four of them. I'll stop whining now. Yeah, I can't even... Kind of sweet, but I can't even play blackjack anymore, honestly. Every time that card comes up, I just, oh, this is a really, I love this guy.

I was fine. This, I forgot about this completely. So I'm really, I was fine with the MTV unplugged reunion and didn't. They did an MTV. Yeah. I got to watch that because I've watched the corn one in the past few years and that is nuts. Like some of the unplugs they got to were really something. You got to check out the poison one.

Me and a bunch of buddies just watched it the other day. It's like eight covers of like they do like jailhouse rock. It's it's it's and C.C. plays the same solo in every song and his acoustic isn't an acoustic. It's just a painted electric that like is like a wood finished electric. Awesome. This guy goes, I was fine with the unplugged reunion. Didn't need or want the full scale reunion that happened. The psycho circus scam.

Sorry, but I'm not as emotionally invested as you are. I'm pretty happy though that Ace did get around to make a decent batch of solo and Origins albums. Origins. I didn't know that. Ace Freely Origins. Origins. It's like a comic book movie.

Did you, do you know Ace's line though, right? So like he would call Eddie all the time. Like he was always on there. And then like people would be like, well, Ace, you know, would you ever get back and do one of the final shows or whatever? he's like, if they paid me. It's so funny. Depends how much they pay me, Eddie.

I do, yeah. I mean, $100,000 I'll do it. It's so funny that people do that without like any, like, awareness of how it feels for the person. Like when they ask the original drummer of corn, hey, would you reunite with him? He was like, I've been trying to call him for like several years. Yeah.

Yeah, you know what I mean? And I'm dying for it to say, Jonathan. You know what I mean? He said him and Head had a, because Head leaves the band to go be in church, whatever. Yes. And then when he comes back, he said, you know, he called him and was like, maybe it'd be cool if we both came back. And it's like. And so I like, and so every time he gets interviewed, they're like, you ever thought about, you know, getting back up with the boys?

And he's like all the time. And I feel so bad for him. Right. This guy goes, the reunion torpedoed every version of kiss I ever cared about. And I didn't enjoy any of it. I saw and heard four people who couldn't stand to be around each other playing old songs badly and going through the motion. If you thought that was magical and it fulfilled your childhood dreams, good luck to you. For me, the best part of 96, 97 was the official release of Carnival of Souls.

While I waited for that to happen, at least I could obsess over X-Files and Millennium. Yeah, X-Files was a sick show. Filming in Vancouver. Loved X-Files for sure. This guy goes, as someone who was, quote, emotionally invested, it was fucking phenomenal.

I knew it wouldn't last, so I didn't complain or waste my time wondering if Peter used triggers or if Ace's brown wig looked weird or Paul's Folger commercial or Gene's bobblehead motions, whatever. I enjoyed every second of it.

So fucking there. And that is my philosophy, too. If it sucks, it's almost better than if it was good. Yeah. If you go to catch one of these weird shows, that's why Metallica at the sphere is so appealing to me. Yeah.

Because I saw them and they sucked. Yeah. And it was funny. Yes. And I know how much they'd be paying to do the sphere. And I think it would really suck and it would be very funny. Well, what do you mean they'd be paying to do? I mean, they would sell it out.

Yeah, they did sell it out. But they would sell it out and they would make a whole shitload of money. They're not. It's not like sick of them making money. Let me ask you this though, Brian, when you're there, I mean, it's bad, man. I mean, Lars was bad when he was good. So now like he these and like these are not easy songs to play. Lars is not a good drummer. He's he has a thing where he's always kind of been the drummer of Metallica.

My thing with Lars is like he, I guess he makes sense, but in a way like they just can't do it. He falls off so much. And I'm wondering, you're laughing, but like there has to be some heartbroken people. when he's missing the hits on battery or something like that. Like, are you looking around? Like, are people catching up? Are they just like giving them the like we're giving we're supporting? I actually, I'll tell you, I went with my brother who had really wanted to see Metallica.

And, uh, I got us tickets. And we went and like three quarters away through. He was like, why don't we go check one of the other stages and see what? Because we're at a festival. Yeah. He's like, let's go over there and watch ICP for a while. Oh, ICP was playing at the same time. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's tough for, yeah, yeah. And you could see people walking over there, too, like leaving and just walking over there. Because, again, I've said this before, they played like eight songs from 72 seasons in a row. Yeah. And it's just like, I don't want to hear any songs from 72 seasons. Yeah, no, everybody likes that album. Which album is that?

When did that come out? It's yellow. It's yellow. Like last year. Oh, that's the brand. That's the newest, newest one. Yeah. They just not interested.

They fell off after St. anger in my opinion. They fell off after death magnetic. No, St. Anger was one the great songs. Relo, man. They fell off after reload. Listen, I'm a load. I'm a load apologist. I don't I'd have to look at the mix of the albums, but

I hated it at the time. I went to see Pantara back then, like a bunch of times. And when Lode came out. When Lode came out, when Lode came out, when Lode came

out, they gave a whole speech on stage about how they're the last heavy metal band that they were so mad at Metallica. I would imagine. And I was, I actually will never forget that because I never heard a band. Because this, this was the first time I seen Pantera and white zombie was on before them. It was like, I'm seeing Pantera white zombie like in a row in Dayton, Ohio. So it was just like, he gave that little speech and I was like, I've never heard another band talk shit about another band. band on stage. It was, it was just the best thing in the world to me. So this guy goes, uh, the reunion part, the reunion put the band on the money grab trajectory.

Um, money, yeah, put them on. I think that's where they're sort of at the beginning of their musical journey. Throwing out uninspired albums, replacement members, final slash not final tours, all to keep the cash rolling in. It became corporate and disingenuous. The fans who were around from the early days still hang on to the memories of the band when they were young and hungry and wrote their best songs. We had no idea the reunion

would be a harbinger of things to come. So there is, yes, that is one of the things that they say is like, these guys, they just were in it for the money after 96, 97. And they are the worst at that, definitely with the merchandising and stuff. But the thing about like,

oh, this is our last tour and then it's not. That's not unique to them. That's not unique to them, though. That's like all these old bad. Like I think of the Rolling Stones, like the amount of times they did that. Like Elton John, like they always do like, this is our final, the farewell tour or whatever. And then they just decide I'm going to do another one and another one.

And it became a thing where nobody even really cared anymore. You know, it's just like you expected it. This next post is a pat post. I got this specifically because you were going to be on the show. Appreciate that. I enjoyed 9. 96 and 97, but I was also hoping that Koolick and Singer lineup would come back after the 2000 tour. He's hoping for Kulik and Singer.

Yeah, these are my people. I've never, there's so many people that wanted that in this thread. Yeah. That was like, why can't we get Kulik and, why can't we get a Kulik and Singer reunion tour? I was like, I don't know. Like, I guess there are, it's weird for me to think that in, like, like 2000, a guy just got into Kiss. Like, it's hard for me to even figure out how that could possibly happen.

And didn't go back. I know. Like, didn't go. Like, it wasn't like, oh, maybe I should check out the live album or like, maybe I should check out Destroyer or something like that. Like, you know, the reason why these bands came from like, no, I'm just going to pick it up at Psycho Circus. And this guy, oh, this one's really sad, though.

He goes, 96 was magical. I'll never forget the feeling when the lights went down and you wanted the best. The feeling in the arena was electric. That feeling hasn't happened very often in my four decades of going to concerts. Saw them again in 97, but while it was a really good show, the magic wasn't there. I feel bad for this guy because it's like, I've been to so many concerts and they never matched up to a 1996 kiss concert. This guy, wouldn't it have been better than, oh, now people are responding to the I wish. they wouldn't have done it.

You know what I mean? And the guy goes, wouldn't it have been better than to have kept the hope for a wonderful reunion instead of the disappointment that actually happened? So that this guy is like, wouldn't it have been better if they just didn't do it? And then you could imagine what it would have been and then not be confronted with how bad it actually was. Yeah. This guy goes, I love the cry babies and say, oh, the reunion ruined my kiss.

Yeah, because that kiss was a compliment. so much. Yeah, okay. If the 96 reunion never happened, this very website that we're on right now probably wouldn't even exist. Yeah, and what about the internet? You know, if the internet never happened. Yeah, I love this is, this is very cool. He's like you're tracing it back. Like, you actually owe it to that tour, the fact that you're even able to have this conversation. Here's another odd line for that tour. The reunion brought back kiss without it. They wouldn't have been playing they would have been playing bar mitzvahs ultimately that should have happened after a live four then bye bye so this guy thinks that without that reunion tour kiss would have been

you know dead in the fucking water so uh i just remember when it was in the mid 90s like they were everywhere that fucking thing like they did a they did a concert by the brooklyn bridge i think or something like that and like if every opportunity was there to become a kiss fan yeah i loved weezer at a time they had a fucking song in the garage I got my favorite band Chris Kiss Ace Freely I was like and I still didn't care I know um I'm just I'm just thinking about my own life

with Kiss and it would have been easier because God knows you run into them everywhere if you like the band or if you enjoy them Especially if you talk about music Like I assume With you it's like Oh guitar players constantly Ace man ace like Oh like yeah kiss man kiss

I was like This is a weird one. I like this guy's post because it's insane. This guy goes, people who hate kiss. Why? I don't see the hate. I know people don't like Gene, but I try to separate the music and the artist. This is from R slash classic rock. This answer, kiss is such a weird case because they stir up like actual anger in their detractors. Anytime I hear someone bad mouth kiss, it's never just, eh, not for me. Like any other widely dislike band, it sounds more like fuck them in their shitty music and their fruity costumes. Gene Simmons. is a dick and I fucking hate them. As a former kiss fan myself, I immediately know anyone who's talking like this is just embarrassed and in denial about the fact that they used to like kiss. Oh, I see. They're confronting their own demons or whatever.

This is like AA. I think that it's because kiss is so in your face with everything. I think that's why it's really easy to hate them. And it's more and it's Gene Simmons as we talk about it. 100% Gene Simmons is like the worst guy in the fucking, he really is. We don't talk politics on here. But he is Trump like. He might be one under Trump as like horrible guys for me.

You know what I mean? Because he's got the same vibes and everything. And I'm sure they're best buddies. And I just, he reminds me of that sleazy energy. I just hate his gut. And they both, they both wear that hat too. Like I love when Gene has that high hat on that has to go over his ponytail and it kind of comes down. And then Trump obviously, you know, fuck that guy forever.

But like his he wears a hat. Like he wears like a big like trucker hat like restop hat. Yeah. So I just love their hat. Those hats are those those those MAGA hats are fucking insane how big they are. It's crazy. He always wears that one that says like 40 like has 45 on the front of it. And it makes it.

look like three feet taller. And it makes his head look teeny tiny. And it's just such a weird I know he's selling hats. It's a weird design. It is. You're right. Because like sometimes you'll see those hats are a little bit higher. But yeah, the height of those hats is almost like, it's like comical.

It's the hats that are left over in the like the merch warehouse. It's like, grab one of those. And it's like your friend's band or whatever. Maybe he just got him really cheap. That's why he's like trying to. maximize profit so he could get those ones for a lot cheaper and then sell them for more expensive order. I remember Gene Simmons was one time at BC Place for like a BC Lions game or something like that in Vancouver and they announced him, you know, like in the building tonight, Gene Simmons, and it was just full booze, like full booze from everybody.

He's got that funny. Yeah. Gene Simmons, boo! Like if you weren't ready for it, no, no. It's not like you're in the parking lot like, listen, Gene's going to be here tonight. No. We got to like when he, let's like, let's set up a boo. Like when Gene gets here, it's just everybody individually.

Everyone knew. Everyone knew. They all did it at the same time. It was when he was filming a thing for his like, his family jewels. Wasn't it family jewels or whatever? So that was, it was during the family jewels era. Yeah. Yeah.

He goes, uh, as they say, me thinks he doth protest too much. Mm-hmm. It's hilarious. But as someone who's been on both sides of the kiss fence, I have a pretty nuanced take. It's cool to have been on both sides of the kids' beds. So this guy's hated them and loved them. So he's like, he kind of has like, yeah, his opinion is more valid than maybe other people.

He goes, they were my favorite band when I was a little kid and I owe them a lot of gratitude for making me so passionate about rock and roll. There was such a fun band to get immersed in when I was in fourth and fifth grade and I'll forever look back at that magical period with fondness. But as time went on, I started to get a peek behind the curtain. and learn about all the drama in the band, all the lame stylistic changes and trend chasing and constant phoning it in.

It became harder and harder for me to keep ignoring what frauds they are. And that's a shame because most of their early stuff seriously kicks ass. If you like fun, straight up hard rock in the vein of Aerosmith or Alice Cooper, etc. Now, I want to say, Aerosmith came up so many fucking times in these things as people were like we'll look at a little bit of this later

like I did not realize that people liked Aerosmith like it's crazy to me they seem like so off the map now but so many people are like yeah I think the best They were a huge band though they were definitely huge

and they had that like resurgence in the 90s where they were where they got a bunch more fans I feel like so it does make sense but to me it's crazy to call them hard rock like either like Aerosmith is not a hard rock band to me they're like soft rock you know actually i'm going to go to this is kiss the most influential american band of all time and if not who is playing the rolling stone asking r slash kiss so they say american band yeah yeah yeah yeah well i mean i'm not going to comment like

arrows i could talk about aerosmith for like five hours and i'm not going to but bryan how the fuck are you saying all you're doing is listening to m tv and you don't know how big aerosmith was they They were a fucking locust, man. Like, there was no stopping them. The Onion had a great article in, like, 2005. It was like, this generation to take pass on Aerosmith. Yeah. Like, we're like, listen, we understand they've had several comebacks and everything like that,

but we're just going to look the other way. Yeah, I hate this. This is nothing. It does rock, though. It does rock. Yeah. They're, um, yeah, I guess I'm more, they're soft. They got a lot softer when they had.

You like those songs. I mean, I knew them more. They were huge on much. music it's like you know our m tv they were like they were constantly on the top of the charts and i do just realize i'm just realizing now that i referred to the rolling stones as an american band so i guess maybe kiss or i mean maybe the eagles or something like who would be there's a few guesses this guy says alice cooper has to be in the discussion maybe aerosmith so that's the first one uh this guy goes not hardly i put van halen and metallica well ahead of kiss i do like kiss the

So Van Halen, Van Halen was pretty, but they were a little later on, I feel like, but they still were pretty influential, I guess. Well, this guy says Gene Simmons discovered Van Halen, sign them to a contract and produce their first demo tape. I'm getting downvoted by Van Halen fanboys for stating a proven fact is wild. Okay, so the amount of like my dream on Reddit is to find like somebody pulling rank. Have you run into that yet where it's just like, you know how everybody has like on. forums not just right but like forms how it's like you there's admirals and then there's like everybody like they earn these captains has any have you seen anybody pull rank like you know okay i've seen them yes i i i think it was r slash jokes no and it was r slash rants it's

either rants or rant they had a really big issue happen and then they got rid of some of the they got rid of some of the mods they're like these mods weren't doing the right thing on rant and because it was a rant subreddit but you weren't allowed to talk about politics which seems crazy to me yeah because like 99% of rants are generally about politics yeah yeah yeah so I mean and in the end you're ranting about like cool aid or something like what you're ranting about at that point so I saw that and R slash dad jokes went through a really big like thing because guys were telling kind of dirty jokes and the mods were letting it go through

and then people were like, we got to get rid of these mods. Right. Because they're letting dirty jokes come through like an uprising kind of like an uprising where they sort of like. Yeah, but I just want to know if anyone's specifically said like,

do you see what's next to my name? No. Like that's what I want. Do you see my flare? Are you a lieutenant or are you an admiral? Because I'm an admiral of like our, you know, meatballs.

You know what I mean? This guy gives a no particular. order thing van haelan springsteen eagles lernard skinnerd metallica tom petty erosmith bob dillon hollin oats nirvana that's his list uh that's a that's a lot i mean that's a lot i mean those are probably pretty well known famous rock musicians and this guy goes kiss was far more influential than every band you listed oh maybe not Bob big Bob Dylan was pretty influential isn't he they are maybe not in

rock though specifically and you know Cory Taylor your boy Corey Taylor loves kiss right so is there a slip knot without kiss you know like there's that whole world but at the same time how many bands are putting that makeup on and like you know how many bands are really dressing up like I got to think there's a guar without kiss too I feel like guar would have found it yeah I don't know I also say Corey Taylor very clearly doesn't like the mask because, you know, there was that five other bands that, that, yeah, he loves being Cory Taylor.

Yeah, that's what I, I've always believed he just wanted to be famed. Like, he's like, I'm fucking famous, but I don't get treated like a famous guy. I'm going to start another band.

Yeah. He did Stone Sauer play some really crappy songs without the mask on and his books. I don't know if you've ever read his books or seen his books. I haven't read his books. Yeah, but you know i might get there it's like uh they're they're not about music they're about like his opinions on stuff that's great corey taylor's yeah yeah one's called like you're making me hate you is one of them and it's a ramp book and then there's one where he's like sitting on the cover with

a whiskey and he's got devil horns and he's kind of having a drink and that's a gentleman's book i believe this guy goes they actually are it's their biggest drink they gave back to the world with or without the music they influenced almost everyone that came after. Kiss are true trailblazers. It's unbelievable the effect they had on pop culture. Over the years did massive research on this subject. It's mind-boggling the amount of musicians that decided to go all in because of the showmanship, perseverance, outlandish style, and dedication they gave to all genres playing in arenas and stadiums. Nobody comes close. And this guy's been studying. He's done a massive amounts of research. He has a PhD and

kiss let's go read some album reviews we got kiss world this is a best of record one of their very few best of records they have so many it's crazy compilations are unbelievable when you go down like yeah i mean they've they've released i don't even know how many times they've released strutter yeah this guy goes my favorite compilation album is double platinum and even though i bought the rest of the greatest hits i don't really put them on but i kind of like this kind of like this compilation. If you notice, there are nothing from the first two albums. Kind of ironic when the first album is actually one of Kiss's top five albums, considering the fact that seven out of the 10 songs are live staples. And for those who complain about the same songs on greatest hits, you have to know that

this is a purely business decision by the record company. Greatest hits albums are... By the record company, Gene fought tooth and nail to not release more stuff. But the scumbag record executives pushing these out yeah i don't know why it makes me laugh that they're like you guys know this is business yeah this is business and has nothing to do with jean simmons at all greatest hits albums are aimed at the mass market audience or the general fan not us lifetime kiss fans who own nearly every album and then this guy gives it five stars and he's like kisses a group that back in the day you either loved or hated except that i was rather neutral oh okay so he just completely contradicted his own A single disc covers what's neat and it does it well.

Now, this guy I like, real or forgery, one star. A lot of these early year songs, if not all, Ace helped write. So the song was a re-release. Ace would have to be mentioned. Seeing Thayer taking Ace's spot and kiss, I was dumbfounded. So seeing him painted on the cover tells me all songs are recorded with Thayer. It's a shame Thayer's careers didn't die in the 80s with the band Black and Blue. I bought this CD and I realized I'll just listen to this.

the original versions of the songs with ace yeah why didn't you get into the Tommy they're like does anybody get into the they want their new characters and it's super fucked up that they take you know the Aces if you already that that's interesting though I didn't know that oh no that's that's out there yeah and is Eddie trunk listening to this he might be yeah I think we got it with this last however many we got it like Ed if you're can you imagine if he was hearing this right now I would love Eddie to come on I would have Eddie on oh my You got it. I mean, the kiss, but just the fact that these guys talking about kids, they like they know anything.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. He would put us in our place and I would love it. I know. Let's get him. Let's get Eddie. This guy goes.

Eddie, put us in our place. Dynasty, the album with I was made for loving you on it. Okay. Guzman. One star, if it smells like a turd, then it is one. By the time in their career, they had lost most of their original audience by turning into a kiddie band. strange they have kind of started six year olds were at their shows with their mommies so what does dofus jean do turn them into a disco band oi vee indeed stick with everything up to a live one then

forget the rest you won't miss anything so that guy no and then this guy gives it one star kissco oh nice kissco i never heard that before i'm surprised why this album sent kiss into the gutters for years It was made for the wrong reasons. The right reason. Yeah. Kist was always the anti-disco, and they did this. I wouldn't recommend this album if you're looking for righteous rock. The only reason...

You never hear a guy say rock, righteous music. You never hear. That is so rare to hear these days. The only reason it deserved one star is because of A's and his kick-ass playing. And this guy would get one good review here. I was 14 when I rushed to the record store and got this when it first came out. I admit at first I was disappointed. As a kid who proudly wore my disco sucks t-shirt,

I couldn't believe that Kiss actually did a song like I was made for loving you. My heroes did a disco-sounding song. Oh, no. What a lot of us kids back then never realized was that while we were wearing our disco sucks shirts, many of our favorite rock stars were actually hanging out at the discos. Yeah, that's the thing that's fucked up. They were saying disco sucks and shit, and then they were actually like most of their best friends were disco guys, yeah. He goes, think of all the rockers who experimented with songs that were disco friendly.

Rod Stewart, the Rolling Stones, The Grateful Dead, even Pink Floyd's song, another brick in the wall, was made as a song that could be played in discos, according to the album's producer. Anyway, I was made for loving you, clouded my judgment of the entire album. As the years have gone by, I now love this album. Ace has some great songs on here, especially Hard Times. Sure knows something. The other Disco Tins song is another great one. It may not be the kiss from their peak years, but it really is a jam in my opinion. If you rejected this album when it came out, try it again.

So it's time to do Ticketmaster reviews. And when was the last time? He said Hard Times is a great song, so I'm going to type it. I'm going to listen to Hard Times after this because that guy said Hard Times is a great. sorry, it's an A song. Seems like A's songs are the best. Like, because that's what all those guys were like, Tommy Thayer, I don't think so. No, Ace is the guy.

Yeah, Ace is the guy. When did they last tour? Two years ago. 2023, they did their final show at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. We'll read some reviews of that. There was two of them. And they were asking Ace for you to be there.

And that's when he said, if they pay me. I mean, you know, I'll get, yeah, Eddie, I'll go out there as long as they pay. what are they paying me? Well, this is a review of mini kiss, which is kind of famous for, rest and peace to Minnie Jean Simmons. We fell in love with this guy, Minnie Jean Simmons.

Pat, we saw him on, what was the guy's? Rover's Morning Glory is a hard rock radio station DJ, like a shock jock like Howard Stern type. We do shocktober. We do like every October we do, we like go through different shock jocks and stuff.

And he did this Rover Fest, which was this big like event or whatever and mini jean zimmons there's a video clip of him just looking at these bikini babes he's all sweaty and like looks just like so fucked up and he's just like man what i would do with these girls man he's saying it to them they're like so uncomfortable and then we found out that he actually died like before it even came out yeah like a couple weeks after the video so rip in peace minnie kiss this guy goes just call them mini piss instead. Not a band.

Not even good enough to be bad karaoke. Thank the Lord I didn't have to pay to see this disaster. You've been warmed. That's pretty see. He got hooked up to go see Minnie Kiss. That's that in right there. That's him, but that's like, that's mini Jean, but you got to see him when he's like,

you know, he's been. When he's sweating. He's when he's ogling. I got to see Minnie Jean's ogling. We can send him the, send you a screen. of it. It's quite a... I might have it somewhere on my... I mean, you have that you have on your

soundboard the mini... Yeah, but my shit's not running. My soundboard's not running through the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy goes... Oh yeah, that was it. So here's some kiss reviews. Lame last show, one star. Bushman 49 says,

really, guys? You could have played more songs and something different, but you played the same songs for three years. Good riddance. Well, I mean, come on they're doing their farewell tour they're going to be playing the hits no they should be playing b sides they should be playing b's they should be playing album cuts but this fucking guy like everything contra digs everything like these men that know the most about this band the one thing you would know that i know is that they're never changing the set list it is yeah this farewell went on

for 10 years and it was same set list every night but like no let's let's throw in she's got ass into the fucking sat night you know what i mean yeah i don't know if there's a song called she's got asked but there's probably there's a decent chance 40% i i would listen to she's got ass yeah she's got ass she and it it is like it does seem like they didn't realize that this was like a money making scheme from like the beginning because they were like doing comic books you know what i mean like they were doing comic books and toys in the 70s yeah they had like a show a cartoon and stuff, right? And like, yeah, this is a movie that I'm never going to watch.

But when you read the Rotten Tomatoes reviews, people are like, oh, you should check it out. it's actually very funny. But I can't do that. I can't. This guy goes, uh, four stars. Yeah, but no. Now, this is a weird review.

This reminds me of when we read ticket master reviews of magicians. And they talk about the amount of tricks they do because guys will get mad and be like, he only did seven tricks. I thought he's going to do 15, 20 of them. Yeah, yeah. I don't know where they get the number in their head of how many tricks these guys are doing. Yeah. But this guy goes, I'm a bit in between here.

He gave it four out of five stars. He still loved the show. But I had a good time, but 39 high Montreals. How are you? 32. Are you having a good time? 36 times asking for applause. That is a high number.

I will agree with this guy that saying, are you, I had a good. high Montreal how are you 39 times is like it almost seems impossible that's very high yeah because how many songs that's like more than like they're saying it more than once in between songs maybe 18 18 songs maybe so that's more than doubled hi Montreal like is he doing in the like before the solos maybe yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah simmons famously and I talk about this all the time I have to it's it's it's like I almost contractually obligated with myself to do this. But on the unplugged, when you watch it, the kiss unplugged, you will hear Gene Simmons before the solo and rock and roll all night. Um, before the solo,

he goes, solo. Solo. So, you know, yeah. Just so you know, it's about to have it. So low. So they, they do in-house, uh, auditing. You know what I mean? So maybe that is. Yeah, yeah. I did read a lot of stuff about when they took their makeup off. People were like, Gene didn't know how to act. without the makeup. And they said it looked really disturbing because Gene was doing the same stuff he does with the makeup without the makeup on.

And like even the fans were like, that's fucking weird shit. Yeah. It was like, love that Joker kind of shit. You know what I mean? When the makeup like in Batman, it's just like in his face was kind of like falling off.

Yeah, it was rough. Every single member of the group did it five times each at least. Three minute song endings, always finishing the same. exact way when two minute washing and drum rolls incredible visuals fireworks not timed 50% of the time with drum punches at the end of the songs the song was good missing a bit of the vocals but yet good incredible energy they had fun you can tell great atmosphere epic group my first time seeing them

i'm happy i went although look above and then he's got his list of thing this guy just keeping score like at a baseball game yeah he had like the book boxing it's like Montreal my my my by my by concert box scores yeah uh this guy goes gives it three stars and i actually do feel sorry for this guy he goes bought the diamond VIP to meet and greet the boys and receive other perks how much i don't know how much the diamond VIP is like 12,000 it's gonna be it has to be like because i see those for like like bands that aren't super like Jim brewers doing one and it's like How much did you pay for that? I'm not going to it.

I might go to it. You got to go at least see the go-boy. There is a front. He's still doing go-point. Is he still doing my boy? He's not. We just call him go-boy. Nobody has to do go-point.

What else is he going to do? I know. I agree, Pat, but he doesn't. He's like, he's like a Gallagher without this legmatic. Yeah, yeah. He's doing all sorts of like reverent. He's like, oh, he's talking about issues and stuff. Mainly the issues are.

Oh, yeah. I'm sniffing. I'm sniffing, bro. I'm around. I'm around. I'm keeping tabs. There's a front row seat, a front row center seat to the show that I could get and then also get a picture with him. And that's the, come on, man. I will like, I will cover. I'll pitch in for it. I can. I know you can, but I know you don't want to. So it might make, like, if I just said, hey, I'll pitch in for it. And because that would make my fucking day to have a picture. of you and Jim Brewer. I still have time. It's not a big... This guy goes,

could have been the greatest night ever. I bought the diamond VIP to meet and greet the boys and receive other perks. Everything went great. Concert was awesome. Sound was awesome. However, my autographed 8 by 10 photo

was stolen off my chair while standing and cheering on the band. I thought Kiss fans had more class. Well, you thought wrong. And three stars disappointed. I spent over a thousand dollars. to meet and greet kiss, only to go through a two-second pick with them,

not even acknowledge that I was there. Boom, boom, pick is done. I'm glad I got the opportunity to get a pick with them, but would love to have had the opportunity to talk with them for like even a minute and go on. But no, rushed out like an assembly line at a factory. That is another guy with a fundamental misunderstanding. He's lucky it wasn't a cardboard cut out of kids.

Yeah, he doesn't understand a meet and greet. He thinks like, hey, I'm paying this money for $1,000. surely I'm going to be able to have a long drawn out conversation, tell him like how much impact they had on my life and all of that stuff. They're going to have the boots ready for him to try on. They're going to have the axe guitar. He's going to show him how he does his mic, how he does his like blood with the tongue.

Yeah. He's going to be able to ask him like, you know, what did you mean when you said ladies got ass or whatever? Right. Yeah. Like, Paul, this is the last one we're going to do here. This is from R slash kiss. And the guy goes,

Paul's made even better lip sync tracks every new year to everybody. So he lip sings. Yes. This is a controversy. And it's interesting because me and Chris, we talked about Michael Nolan earlier. He gets very mad when he hears a backing track or sees a backing track. It's like it drives him nuts.

He doesn't understand. Yeah. And they don't understand that these guys like if you want to see these guys, they're in their 70s. They're going to need some help. They're not going to be able to do what they, did when they were seven when they were like even 45 i think paul's 79 at this yeah yeah yeah yeah because paul mccartney he was so mad at him uh this guy goes even my dad noticed and he's a half full

kind of person uh glass half full kind of person he gets reply and goes then the op this is so great replies it goes what does that even mean l m a so he doesn't know what glass half full person means doesn't have that he has you explained it explains to him and the guy goes even people who don't typically watch concerts to nitpick every aspect of the show notice it straight away that's not good and uh he goes this guy goes anytime i mentioned he's lip syncing on here people act like children who just got told santa isn't real and start vehemently denying it with shit like oh actually i'm a vocal coach and he's definitely not lip syncing and i get downvoted to hell i just shut up about it at this point if people want

to believe in the Easter bunny let them. Freaking the Bonnie. That's the bunny defense. Yeah. Yeah, you want to believe in fake things like Paul Stanley can still sing songs like he did back in the day. This guy goes, Paul's track is like he's whispering the song in a library.

I don't think he's ever fully recovered from his vocal cord surgery. So he's had vocal cord surgery, which a lot of these guys have. have. Yes, they have. Yep. And then this guy goes, or it could be that he's 68 and after decades of rock and roll singing, he's no longer capable of belting out notes. The guy replies and goes, I'll stick to my thoughts that he's never recovered from his two vocal cord surgeries, which are probably due to his career and kiss. Do you guys know about James LaBrie and Dream Theater? You know about these guys? No. Oh, it's fucking unbelievable. We did cover Dream Theater on the Prague

Rock Guys episode. Okay. I can't name two songs, but I, I know a lot about the unit. Yeah. So you start with the drum auditions for when Mancini left, when Portnoy left the band. It's YouTube. Just watch it. Trust me.

Yeah. If you take anything from this, watch Dream Theater drum auditions. It's the best thing you'll ever see. That will get you started. And then you'll end up on a forum talking about James LaBrie, the lead singer who hasn't been able to hit the high notes. And he's got his defenders.

He's got his people that, you know, want him out and everything like that because they're all virtuosos. So he can't hit the high notes. But James LeBrie had to, he had to face these people. And there was apparently a shrimp incident where he had some bad shrimp in the Bahamas. Or like somewhere in the Caribbean, he was in the Caribbean. He had some bad shrimp. And he was throwing up all night.

And that ripped up his vocal cords. So you get people like, and it's like, James, he didn't hit the note last night. And it's like, it's because he had the shrimp. So like every time that like the people that back him bring up the bad shrimp, it's and that's what his voice. That's what caused his voice. It was because of shrimp. Not because I don't think you need an excuse for how your vocal cords would be damaged

if you're constantly touring and singing in a rock band, right? No, it has nothing to do with that. Yeah, oh, it's the shrimp. It's the shrimp. It's, yeah, bad shrimp. And then he threw up and then, you know, so you can't blame him. But yeah, get into it. I'm sure you've seen this, but there's a, a Q&A of fuel on a cruise ship where they're in like a room

with a they're all sitting at a desk and you can't see the audience but they're super far away from the stage and there's got to be 12 people in there and they're doing a Q&A and they're goofing around and that one i was like because that's what i always wonder about these cruises like with the kiss cruise and stuff like that like is that like really a nightmare for uh the band oh yeah like somebody who's willing to pay all of that money to come and possibly meet you and and like come on this themed cruise and you're stuck on this vessel with them where you literally can't escape. It sounds like the like the premise for a horror movie, definitely. Yeah.

Yeah. How can you not like they can't like close off that much area of the boat. And there's a famous, you probably know this Brian, the West Borland thing when he was talking shit on all the new rock bands like right when Limbiscuit got back together. He did like a guitar player magazine or maybe it was before they he left. but he did a thing where he was talking shit on all of the fucking new rock bands and then they were going on this but then they were going on a cruise and he's like i had to stay in my cabin like in a fetal position they were like i couldn't i couldn't go anywhere without someone from staying like because he was talking shit on all these guys because he had a stained it you know the stained issue right like between so he was at the airport somewhere uh and he ran into erin lewis from stained A.L. And he was like, they were kind of talking because their buddies, like, Lynn Biscuit got stained signed. Like, this is like famously. Yeah. They also got Puddle of Mud signed and they said he was the next Kurt Cobain. One of my favorite facts of that. Great line. He's sober now. West is sober now.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just so funny that when they came out, they're like, this is the new Nirvana. And the song, she fucking hates me is like, uh, but, uh, they, they were at an airport and Westport. And then he, he was, was like where are you headed and west was like i'm going to out home and uh he goes home where you going he goes los angeles and he was like los angeles isn't your home you're from jacksonville and now they hate each other since that day like because erin got mad because west borland said he lives in los angeles instead of where he was from you know erin hates los angeles but of course but but at west borland was just saying like that's where my house is that's where I live.

That's where I live. And I'm a guy in a band that lives in L.A. Yeah. It's pretty standard shit, man. And every band that you like, you fucking scumback and have tattoos of lives in L.A. You fucking scumbach. Oh, I hate Aaron Lewis so much.

I almost went during the pandemic. I almost went to a drive-in theater to see him and Sully from Godsmack give a spoken word performance. I would have flown in during the pandemic. I would have, dog did too no mask I would have fucking if they're like we're out of mass man and you could get on the plane if you want him like I'm getting on that bird and I'm fucking going to see solely and air are you kidding me solely earna and erin lewis giving a speech oh solely earn us podcast is incredible dude sully urn is like everything he is so stupid yeah he's the dumbest man he's on that podcast I was

telling you about where they all ogle that poor woman that goes oh yeah oh yeah and he's the one who says like, all right, well, I guess we should take our coats off. You know, it's getting a little hot in here. My favorite one is there's a really great line in the Papa, Jacoby Shattuck,'s lead singer of Papa Roach was on Sully's podcast. And they're talking. And he's like, he says something like, you sign this band or I'm going to play. He was doing his bit called Radness or Badness. so like you would play a clip and then the guest would be like that's radness or that's badness and Sully would also get to pick

they play a clip of the band this Mongolian throat singing band called the Who H-U and as soon as it's over Sully starts riffing on it like sounds like taco after I go eat Mexican food and I get diarrhea out of my ass

Like it's just saying like the worst jokes, right? Yeah. And then Kobe's like, actually I signed that. I've worked with this band and done a few things. Oh, that's so good. It's so uncomfortable. And then there is one episode where Sully and his friend that owns a roofing company and like two other guys are just sitting around a table talking.

I can't recommend it more. He only did like 12 of them, but they're all so, he gets mad about the view. He yells about the view. every like more than once he's like these these women on the view trying to tell me what to think and I'm like I just picture sully earner from godsmack watching the view and getting mad at joy they are yeah yeah he's got a sculpture of the of the this sign I'm doing the devil one she has a sculpture of it in his studio it's the first thing that he showed off and then the the poor woman who keeps getting ogled um I've never said augum more but she uh she's like yeah deal and he goes

it's not just deal oh It's not just Dio. Like he got mad. And she's like, well, yeah, he kind of is. He's like, yeah, but Dio doesn't own the devil. Dio doesn't own the devil. He took a shot of Dio. Oh, Pat, thank you for doing the show with us.

I love having you on. Once a week. I'll do this every week. Are you kidding? We'll get you on the stream and get you checking out, Nolan and maybe watch some Sully. Or, again, we could always show Pat David Draman. Yeah, I was just going to say David Drayman interviews are top, top notch. Yeah, there's a probably already seen them.

But I would love to rewatch them with you. Have you seen the device reviews, right? So it's a, his side project's called device. Yeah, I know about it. And he has, they have a YouTube channel where they have a Q&A, not a Q&A, song meaning thing where each song, David Drayman describes what the song is about. It's like nine clips. And it's just like, it's incredible.

I have seen a few of these. The one where he says, sometimes people don't expect me to have quite as large of a vernacular as I guess. It was just incredible. He is the, he thinks he's one of the smartest guys in history. I know. I get triple major.

He says he's a triple major, but he's got a bachelor's degree, which does, that doesn't mean it. You can't be a, that just means you went to college. Yeah and you graduate. But isn't it so perfect?

Like you just wouldn't want it any other way. These guys are like, yes, I want him to think that he's smart. And yes, he thinks that he's smart and political and has these things. And Aaron Lewis, have you ever heard Aaron Lewis's speeches? Oh, yeah. He's like, when are people going to realize that Lincoln was a Republican, man? Yeah. Yeah, you want these guys.

I'm like, he doesn't know about the switch. They're out there like he doesn't have that you know like oh yeah you wouldn't get them doing podcasts and like fucking waxing poetic on stuff if they just knew how stupid they were you wouldn't get all of that goal yeah David drayman thinks he's really smart like I think the craziest thing about him is that recently he's challenged so many guys to debates like that's his thing now he wants to debate jack white uh and he doesn't publicly he's like I'd love to have a conversation. with Jack White about Israel and Palestine. And Jack White's just like, I have no interest in talking to you at all. And it's funny because that band disturbed of all the new metal bands probably is the stoop, like, like pound for pound. It's just the guy making weird noises. Like he made his money making monkey noises.

Yeah. Yeah, totally. And it's all called stupefied. You know what I mean? And his most famous lyric is, wow I I right now yeah so I I think it's great that like

that's the one like every other band I've watched every corn documentary I've watched as as much as I can you know all right bragging I know who then now wonderful corn documentary where they come off like the most annoying men you've ever met in your line and I went and saw

corn in Vancouver when he was in town for this when we did a live show in Vancouver it was my first ever corn show and I really did enjoy it I really had a good time. Yeah. Because corn's good. You're right?

Yeah, they put on a good show. The sound was fantastic. Like the stage show is good. Like it was like, yeah, it had good energy too. And I'm like obsessed with the monkey as well. So I got to see him play live, which is very cool. And then he, they did their famous song. What's it called?

It's called shoots and ladders. Shoots and ladders where they sing nursery rhymes really heavy like. And that just like, I had never heard it before. I had no concept of it. And Brian was like, when it started playing Brian's like, I can't wait for you to hear this. And it just, it made me laugh so fucking hard. It rang around the rosy. Like, it's fucking.

Ryan smiling so much telling you like he's your father. Like he's so happy right now hearing you like tell this story. It's funny. He's beaming. As soon as that song started, I knew they were going to play it. You know what I mean? Because it's like one of their more famous song. And it's got the bagpipes in it.

Oh, yeah, they started off with the huge bagpipes solo. That's his excuse to play the bagpipes is when I play sheets alone. So that's where the kilp pays off finally. Yeah, I didn't know that that actually happened. I didn't think that there was any connective tissue to, you know, Scottish culture. Yeah, he plays the bagpipes. Yeah. Okay, I didn't know that.

Let me ask you this, though, real quick, because I think corn to me, I was never into them, but I do respect the unit, right? And I would go. Because part of what we did today with Kiss is like, I still don't think I'm wrong as far as like the decisions I've made with Kiss. Like I went to a fish show because I had to make sure I was right. And I am. They're terrible.

I had to, you know, bad songs. And they don't rock. But I get the fact that why people like them, I do. It's drugs and alcohol. And also like, you know, there is a virtuoso. But they don't, for me, I know that I made the right decision. I like to do research to make sure that I'm, I'm right, at least for myself. I feel like strengthened by this kiss thing.

Like we made the right to sit. I didn't. Yeah. I never feel like I missed anything. Like when you, the most excited I got this episode thinking I missed out on something is when you were talking about the Gallagher concert. That's when I was like,

I wish I could have seen that. But nothing made me think like, oh, fuck. I wish I had have gone and seen Kiss do their thing live. I think the thing I love the most and all the stuff from this episode is the guy that was sending letters to Universal Music Group. Yeah. That is a.

that is a crazy thing because I don't know but I don't think Kiss is even known for having you know spectacular mixing and mastering the records sound like shit I know that's part of it's so dinky like every one of the records it's like the

MC5 but like they're trying it's like the I don't know like the matchbox 20 version of an MC5 record or like a stone's record or something like that yeah uh Pat yeah tell people where to find you The internet.

On the internet. Put his name into the internet. Just use Google. It's old school. We accidentally said that you were, we accidentally said you were watching the, the Turning Point USA Super Bowl halftime show while we were watching it. And a bunch of people left.

Yeah, we were like, Hey, Pat Bernie is watching this right now. We see our viewers go tumbling down. We were both watching the man. Yeah. We should have clabbed on that. I hate clav so much. We should have.

Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. We'll get you on the stream soon. Everybody, anytime. We'll see y'all next week. Goodbye. Bye.