Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 105 - Rat Pack Guys with Hayes Davenport

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

We had Hayes Davenport on to talk about those guys we all know a few of, Rat Pack Guys! What is Hayes's relationship to Seth McFarlane? What do you do when your family hates Frank Sinatra? Why can't guys go to a restaurant in a suit anymore? There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST and I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Are you gonna go? Uh, are you sure I will I got okay. Hello It's me It's brian and chris is here. Hi chris. Hello. We're we're here This is us, but it's not us that you're gonna hear after after is us from a different time We recorded this is a different time, but we are putting it out before the episode that comes out Uh today that you're listening to right now. I know you're excited to get to the heavy metal song that opens, but before we do that, we have a message that we have to give. And let me first start out by saying I did bowl a 300. I do have the ring. So that is the announcement. No, I'm the show. And the announcement no On to the show and the announcement is that and we and we've been teasing this a little bit

We did a live show in Vancouver Sometime and British Columbia and it was a lot of fun and we had a good time and We decided to do another one. We can't do it in America due to the great Canada-america war that is ongoing, but we are doing it in Canada out east in Toronto Ontario Canada and we're doing it what day is it on it's on Thursday Thursday April the 24th I think that's the day I just bring up a calendar and it is I look at the calendar every day of my life. So Thursday, April 24th at the Garrison in Toronto, tickets will go on sale next week in a week's time. If you're American, keep in mind the Canadian

dollar is really low. So stuff cost a lot less for you. But yeah, we'll have tickets on sale. You'll be able to grab them. We'll have a link. Maybe we'll have it on the Geyser. I'm not sure. Brian, What do you anything else to add? It'll be fun. And you know, you have plenty of time I did look at hotels and shit and you can get good deals on hotels So please come up to Toronto. Yeah and watch us and if you live in Toronto, you can come as well But I don't I don't want you there But yeah come if you live in Toronto or come if you know, I looked up

There's some places that are close to there and who knows what's going on We're trying to get a visa going on but who knows what's going on So I would just government sucks I would just say, you know come out to the live show if you want to see us do a live show Please come to the show and also enjoy Rat Pack Guys with Hayes Davenport. I shouldn't have done that because maybe we'll put that before the other episodes too, but you know what? Hello, welcome to guys of podcast about guys. I'm Brian and with me is my rock and roll partner, Chris James.

See I do know that in this context that's an insult. Normally it's very Roll is the top cool thing. Usually the coolest thing I could think of is being a rock and roll guy But I know that these guys don't think that at all. No, they don't rock and roll partner. Here's my rock and roll partner We'd like to rock and roll to get well. I don't like the rock and roll I only listen to the great American songbook we have as a guest this week from Hollywood handbook Hayes Davenport. Hi Hayes. What's up guys? What are they? What are they they have names where they call you guys on here big whiskey and the Gruegrucks king or something It's that would be nice Queebert. Yeah, Brian would Step up from the real thing it's Queebert andber and the gris. That's our shock jogging

Yeah, okay. That's right. That's what people take to wrestling so that I can then see the nickname that people called me when I was 17 in high school you go on another show you came on our show and all the comments are like Kweeber and the gris All right. It's like don't take that in here. Just talk about our shit. That's not fair. It is annoying. I do notice that any time anything happens that we have anything to do with. It does feel like a bunch of people. It's like they don't read the comments and see that someone already said it because they will also comment Kweeber in the Gris.

And yeah, Brian legitimately hates it because it's his nickname from when he was a kid and he thought he finally outgrew it and now sometimes you'll tune into his favorite wrestling AEW and somebody will be literally holding up a sign that says Kweeber on it. We did get one yesterday. They have to register that they've heard the show and that they know it and they can't just say that. We did get one recently that I did like on wrestling. It said Cesaro is a single guy

Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's good. That doesn't have anything to do with me, you know, that's what I like I do with the show just to be clear because weirdly enough Yeah, single guys are also part of our show, but we don't need to get into all of that. We don't need to get Hey boys, it's Frank Sinatra. Thank you for getting us back on track. Do I sound at all like a crooner. Do I. Hey this one or why. I mean it's not even it's not singing really. But I mean hello. No I mean no, what's your background there? Do you have a like any training? Well, I'm kind of like Frank Sinatra and that I'm self-taught Right, and is that a famous thing about him? He just like showed up one day

Did I didn't even look that up? Well, I should have looked that up Frank Frank Sinatra self-taught. And I don't think he is at all. I think I don't think so. I think he's I think he probably has training and everything like that. But Brian, I will say the beginning, your crooning was like I would say for one or two seconds was okay in the beginning, but it did sort of fall off after that. It wasn't, I will say it wasn't McFarland level. That's for sure. Thank you for mentioning. Well, he comes he are our most famous crooner like that like the actual most famous crooner that we have he comes up later All right, we can save it. Oh, yeah, I'll even read. You know my connection to this. I mean I have stories I

We didn't we we love McFarlane We Brian listens to his crooning albums and we listen to a bunch of them on episodes before so we do love it But I wow, are you are you friends? Oh, you haven't listened to it live No, brother. Wow, you've never heard it live. So you ain't heard it brother You went to see it live. I mean if this if it comes up later it comes up later either comes up later now So it's Dear I told this story on another show but I

Wrote on Family Guy for a season left of my own volition. Thank you very much. I was not fired from Family Guy To edgy he was actually I heard you were my shit. They just couldn't yeah Yeah, they were just not like that's it. It's the kind of shit that they're doing now, but 11 years ago They were they weren't ready so My season happened to be so I show up day one bottle of scotch on my desk No on Seth

McFarlane stationery. I don't know. It was lock something. Note on Seth McFarlane stationery, kind of big piece of paper and just welcome written in tiny letters. Never saw him the entire. I mean,'s like was a already a pretty well-known thing that he was not like in the writers Room on a daily basis at that point like it was season. I think 13 Mm-hmm. It's like a lot to expect for For any man even a man as young as he was still I could do that I could actually do it Like you would still hang around in the writers room. Yeah, I'd be there every day

I'm a hard worker, but that's why you're not in that place. You know what I mean? Yeah. So we'll never have to like the fact that you would just want to like show up and just like dick around in the writers room. Like, you know, blue, blue collar guy. I have to go to work 60 hours a week. He's meeting people. Seth is out doing meetings and stuff like that to get the show more popular obviously. And singing, which is what he famously would like to be doing. So he, I mean, what my exposure to him was we would do table reads and he would call in and do the table reads on speakerphone and his talent as a voice actor is almost was almost like better to experience just like through the phone he would go on these long riffs have these like long conversations between like Brian and

Stewie or whatever and it was fucking sick yeah it was awesome yeah to watch like these are my guys Brian and Stewie, these are my guys, Brian and Stuart, like these are my guys, you know what I mean? And I get to actually like hear the real thing. But I didn't have to see him actually do it, maybe twist up his mouth in a way that would be like fun to watch, you know, that type of thing. So anyway, never met him,

except it comes around his 40th birthday was that season Seth McFarland's 40th birthday he rents out Royce Hall at UCLA huge performance facility flies in a hundred piece orchestra Yes. That does, like the old studio orchestras no longer exist. They go to like Bratislava or whatever to record a lot of this stuff now. So he flies in an orchestra that can do this kind of thing, gets on stage, tears off some like MGM standards, ding ding ding goes the trolley. Like over the rainbow, like that type of stuff. Is it hitting hard with the crowd? I mean, and the crowd by the way is like,

it's me and like some really, really famous people. He was doing a million ways to die in the West at the time. So like Olivia Wilde and Mila Kunis? Did Mila Kunis show up? Yeah Mila's there yes. Tell her I said hi next time you see her. Ashton's there like it's the type that you like you know they're both showing up like

this is Seth you know. Yeah. Uh and it was he's a good singer there's like, you know. He's a great singer. We've seen him. Yeah. And like the orchestra was great. We go down, they've also rented out like the lower green at UCLA.

So we go down the big steps. There's this gigantic tent you go in and it's like a speakeasy style setup. It's called the Moonlight Lounge. Everyone has this huge party. He dips. He goes back to like the kind of separate party at his house. He didn't want to hang out with me. I was like, that was my only face to face interaction

with him. I was like the fifth person in a little group conversation when he came over and just like said hi. I would hang out with you, Hayes. I would actually hang out with the workers. Well, I would hang with the workers. Yeah, not Hayes. I would be hanging out in the underground part.

Like we'd be singing and dance. Like it would be more fun down there as well. Like way more fun down there. Not me, Not me. I'm a man of the people. So I did look up Seth MacFarlane, Frank Sinatra. So did he sing any Frank Sinatra songs though, Hayes? Just quickly, did he sing any Frank Sinatra songs when he did his crooning?

I think the theme, there was a theme to the evening and it was like these studio orchestras have left LA, they've left America. You can't get this here anymore. This is what we're doing tonight. I don't think he did any Frank but I'll tell you who was there. I'll tell you who was there for sure. Frank Jr. I didn't actually see him but there's a there's no doubt in my mind. I would literally bet my life that Frank jr. Was there I Have a whole thing going yeah, you've seen on screen So in the AI overview when you search Seth McFarlane Frank Sinatra it says

McFarlane train was so it says Seth McFarlane and Frank Sinatra have a few connections including McFarlane trained with Sinatra's vocal teachers for 10 years to develop his jazzy sound Hmm, that's such a classic rich guy move Like you know he's like so obsessed with Sinatra that he goes and like finds all of the stuff that he did to make himself Like the next Sinatra. I love Sinatra seniors vocal teachers What he's saying? He's telling us Sinatra seniors vocal teachers. Yeah, what do you say? He's telling us With AI yeah, it feels like that they might be older, but they probably still got it You know what I mean? They probably kind of implies that Sinatra in his 50s was still going to like lessons

Vocal yeah, I take younger people as well than him. Yeah, I mean like he was getting taught by younger people I just I did that. I don't question AI. It also said McFarlane's 2015 album No one ever tells you features Chuck Berghoff er Oh Sinatra's bassist and a 65 piece orchestra the album was nominated for a Grammy for best traditional pop vocal album Mm-hmm, and it says McFarland voiced Frank Sinatra's jr. And the Family Guy episode Tales of a third grade nothing and so yeah, he did so far. Lynn does have some Connection farland voiced him. No he didn't that's the AI so wrong. He voiced himself there There's a link I can click. Yeah, the link is gonna take you to something where it's the algorithm

I'm telling you that AI It's not been perfect. Not good. I did click the link. Yeah I'm not joking. I think maybe like every single thing that I've looked up on Google with that AI It's had incorrect information in it. It's cool that Google's just running with it anyways, though. It just yeah anyways I went to Facebook and there was a web. There is a group called yesterday in America Let me show you guys the picture that they're all talking about Hey, you know, they posted a nice picture of the boys standing in front of the sand. Oh That's the shot

Right there. Yeah That's the one where they got Peter and Joey in there. But I don't know those guys. I only know that the big Peter got kicked out later. I don't know who Peter Lofford is at all, but I know he was the one that was like a little too little too ratty for the pack. He was a bit too much rat. Not enough pack. They actually said, I'll tell you what they said. They said that Peter was friends with John F Kennedy and Frank Sinatra was pissed off at him because he, cause Bobby Kennedy was his friend and he didn't let John F Kennedy stay at Frank's Palm Springs house

one time because he didn't want to tie. I even at that point like your only rival your only romantic rival on planet Earth Is still someone that you would be pretty like pissed off at? Even though like you have almost ever there's literally only one guy that can step to you like at all Mm-hmm, but like you still you're gonna be like pretty pissed at that guy. Yeah, you want to be number one It's been you're so close. You're so close. It's almost arguably or more pissed at him like you or I it's like we're not even close Well this guy goes nothing like classic Vegas modern Vegas can't compare last time I was in Vegas I was sad to see what has become of it I mean, I think that just sort of speaks to like the world and America like I think it's like that everywhere

Where it was Vince replied and he said such a classy bunch of guys Singing and entertainers. So I guess that's like two separate. Well, no, that's that is true there. They were the classic entertainers They did it all they sang they danced they acted You know stand up Yeah, I guess better than Chris I Didn't I don't know that we need to say that I mean I guess I mean I think it was we were doing it We did a different thing probably you know like Yeah, like then that's how they would think of it too.

Like it's not a competition. They wouldn't want to compare it. It's two different industries. Yeah. And also honestly, because like they are kind of comedians, if you are a stand up comedian, you've ever been one, you've ever, you know, tre- been in somebody who's treaded the boards,

you know that there's solidarity amongst the group, no matter what. So they would stand up for me and they would say, no, he's doing his own thing. Hey, you know, they'd say things like it's known as parallel thought and it's a very tight community Nino says every time I see this photo or one like it It makes me want to be somewhere in it with them the Rat Pack truly made an impression on Vegas and the US Yeah, it makes you guys are good. They truly made an impression. They left a mark. Didn't they? Frank Sinatra. When I see a lady, I want to see him. I want to be

with them somewhere. Well, this is not to go back to Seth. Like the Frank Jr. thing. Every big time show runner, every show runner has like their famous friend that when you're breaking an episode they'll be like, oh, like they'll talk about how they're friends with Chris Rock and be like, oh, we should go like, go see if Chris would want to like do a guest spot in this. He loves the show. Like he loves coming to do this.

You never hear about it again because he called him. He's like, no. And Seth had like those relationships. I pitched a joke about, this was pre other stuff with Louis CK, but like a joke about the show, Louis, a cutaway that got in. And this is the only like direct comment that I ever heard Seth having had made

about anything I wrote. He said, this is very funny but Louie reached out to me says that he likes family guy and so I kind of want to like you know I kind of don't want to put this in but he was never like let's put this guy on the show let's put that in the show about really anybody except Frank Jr. and if there was like singing stuff in an episode to be like let's see if we can get Frank Jr. here. Brian Sings with Frank Jr. like whatever it is. And Frank Jr. of course is like, uh, yeah, sure. I'll do it. It's available. But, but it, so he, it does seem like he's maybe was, is very obsessed with Frank Sinatra possible. But in the same way

of like, it's a, you know, it's a Sisyphean. This culture does not exist anymore but he I think you know born in the wrong time like he wants to be as close to it as he could possibly be. It's a very heartfelt connection that that he has. That's something I told Chris. I actually told Chris while I was prepping this I was like this episode could have been 19-year-olds that wish they were born in the 20s guys Because it's so many guys like that this person goes I saw that one imploded not sure What is there now about the hotel gets a reply guy goes nothing but overpriced hotels and tourism fees Vegas bores me these days. Oh, and then she this person responds and goes, don't forget the hookers.

They even have male ones for women and gay men. What? Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is happening in this world. I'm familiar with the ones for straight men, but what the hell? That's a bridge too far. You call them up. You know, they're like in the street, like wrapping the little cards. You get the card, you call them up. They're, they're like in the street like wrapping the little cards you get the card you call them up

They're like, oh, I'm sorry. You want what? You're a man and you want to have sex. I'm sorry you want to sex with a woman You're a woman and you want to have sex with a man and you're gonna pay money for it. This is sorry Like yeah, you got you got to take that somewhere else pal. We don't yeah, we do that I've actually never even heard of that before Finally Go ahead Louie says to this day I say what a shame those people decided to tear down old Las Vegas the very place where true talent lived and partied Just think of being able to go into a hotel lounge where the rat pack drank and did their off-screen act

They owned Vegas, so he wanted to hear some racial slurs Just wanted to be able to go in there like imagine you go to a place where Frank Sinatra was eating before I mean that does seem pretty cool. I think the reason they tore it down like the old Vegas They're referring to the one that was like exclusively owned by the Mafia Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, that was the good Vegas. I could get killed. Yeah, I mean I think that like Yeah, I guess that it was again I I feel like the old Vegas was sort of similar to the new Vegas in relation to the times You know like it was like a for same

It was the same like in relation to the rest of America as it is now You know absolutely which is means worse It was like a little shit here Well I went to r-slash Frank Sinatra and they go this guy goes Dean Sammy and Frank just in terms of their pure quote Coolness factor. What do you think of or how would you rate each of them individually? So this is cool. Let's see. In our slash Frank. Okay, I think Frank is going to come up

pretty good and Frank. When this one but yeah, they do love to do this on Reddit in general is just sort of rank people and give them ratings and stuff. There's only so much you can talk about with these five men, you know, right? This OP goes, I don't necessarily necessarily like the There's only so much you can talk about with these five men. You know, right. This OP goes, I don't necessarily necessarily like the idea

of quote rating. And he's the one that posted this, by the way. Yeah. Now they gotta like. But it has to be done. Some things just have to be done. But I've always felt very strongly just in terms of the coolest rat packer.

It's always been Dean by a mile for me. Everything about the guy seemed so damn smooth, relaxed, carefree, chill, and effortless. He really did seem like just a naturally very easygoing, steady, level-headed, cool guy. And he was his own man for sure. Frank had power over anyone in the rat pack and his entire sphere except for Dino.

But these guys, the way they're talking. tossing in the nickname for a very familiar. No, that's allowed. That's allowed Yeah, and knowing their interpersonal relays. I think it's the the the guessing about their interpersonal relationship That's the whole thing Brian you like you got to get on the wavelength. This is not about Music this is not about like it Vegas like any of this stuff. It's about five men dressing up and going to a restaurant together. That is, it's a culture that no longer exists. Everyone like, you know, like they feel like they lost it. I think most homophobia comes from this place of like feeling like It ruined the experience of men dressing up and going to a restaurant because like even like the question of gayness being a part

of it They like just wiped it off the mat for a lot of people I mean and Hit it go ahead Hayes, I'm sorry. We had the, like for me at least, I don't know if this changed like for the younger generation but like every, in high school we had the little, the little rat pack. You had your little pack that you were a part of. It was me, Matt, Peter, we had a Brian, Jake, and then Sam later was added to our little.

Sam came in later? Like, did he fill in for somebody or was somebody not like being as cool as they needed to be and you needed to add some coolness? I don't know what opened up a seat, like, and I honestly, like, I wasn't the guy who brought him in I'm happy to have him now right now like I'm either yeah, but no it wasn't it was all good with me, but it wasn't my

He wasn't my project, you know Did you guys have your little crew like the the little wrecking crew? I did. That's funny that you say that. I've mentioned on a past episode, there was a group called the Wrecking Crew in my neighborhood that beat up people. And Brian was a part of a group like that, a violence gang that beat people up.

Innocent people though, I wanna be clear, not other people who are involved in gang activities. But I did have my group of friends. I had like my you know, my guys we We play, you know, we were kind of I guess like we played sports and stuff And so we were maybe like kind of jock kind of guys a little bit as a closest But we were pretty like chill too, you know, we played a lot of card games big two. We played a lot of big two Okay. Yeah, we chewed tobacco was a big thing

We chewed tobacco for some reason and but yeah, we weren't Brian you want to get into your terrifying Oh, I had a group a rat pack. It was me Theo porno Sean Nate and I think that's I mean that was the and Steve Who bleached the name Steve on his shirt and wore it every day to school. That's very cool. That, who was the guy who called you Queeber?

That's Theo. That's Theo, yeah, okay. And he was a little more respectable, I think, than me. I did tell the story about, you know, he drove me to my girlfriend's parents' house and he kind of hung around a little bit and then my girlfriend's dad Offered him a job Yeah, but did not offer me a job we were at. Oh, but yeah. Yeah, we don't like quiver work

No, of course even within this gang and the tough guy was porno Sean. Oh Sean was the king He's pretty famous on the podcast to be honest. I was gonna say I don't want to be the one that's making you talk about porno Sean again I'm sure it's Guy if he heard us talking about him and because he's a real human being who currently exists and lives in the world Sure, you know, so and this may be not known as porno Sean anymore. I don't think Oh, no, it was never noticed Yeah, we got a porno Sean anymore. I don't think so. No, it was never noticed Call him that now. Yeah, we love porno. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He's a guy that just loved porno and you know what? I bet he still loves porno. My guess is that he's swinging now. Well, don't say that about him

That's not and that's that's a crazy thing to say about your old friend, especially with you What the you stop orgies at Jesus how you went to them Wow you Went to the regularly I know I went to a party. Yeah, they turned into an orgy after I left Anyway, this guy goes Sammy is the man so awesomely cool in so many ways Hell he was cool. Even as little Sammy when he performed as a kid most people forget I felt like you have more in common people forget that most people forget He was a child that I did not know that he was little Sammy Was a different guy. I felt like he had more in common coolness wise with Dean than with Frank

I love the way he carried himself I think he had the best sense of humor out of the three a very cool quality And of course he was the hippest guy in the rat pack I don't know why but with Frank the word cool just doesn't really fit the bill so much I mean he was cool, but he was also a manic depressive If you're bipolar, you know, yeah, that's can't think of something more uncool Than being bipolar. That's mean to say I think that that's not what affected his coolness I just think I think he was super high But the other guys are cool it like I do agree if I could say I don't know much about the Rat Pack

But Dean Martin is the one that I like the most of that like he for me He was like a fun funny fun loving drunk like you know like he just I used to be a comedy character that we don't we don't get as much anymore Just a guy who's pretending to be toasted at all times. Yeah, Jim Brewer does that now He is kind of holding that I get like I'm not considering Jim Brewer is like part of our Like, you know the like the cultural canon right now. You know, when I say we don't really have that anymore, I do know Goat Boy. I do know his work in the same way that I know Dean Martin's.

But I'd say both of them are like relative. Their comedy is about as prominent. Yeah. And think about the thing about Brewer is that like, you know, he's kind of his eyes have been open to you know different Political movements and stuff like that his eyes would you describe his eyes you just say they've been sagged Yes It's like you say is how open or closed they just move farther down his head Yeah, they know because they don't you said his eyes have been open. I've seen his last special his eyes aren't open in it

He's literally has his eyes closed in it. So fair and this guy this person responds it goes I agree except with Sammy I think he had this need to always try to prove how cool he was which is fairly understandable and Dean never seemed to try just Had that innate spreza tora So this group was constructed. I I'm realizing now But you talk about little Sammy mm-hmm. This group was constructed around the fact that Frank Sinatra was five seven Dino Yeah, Dino towers over Frank. He's allowed to do that up to a point. Obviously. This man is like five nine Yeah, yeah, he's not so he but

is like 5'9". Yeah, he's not. Frank doesn't need to be the tallest guy in the group, but he's not going to get like a 6'2 guy in there. Also, they didn't have those back then probably. But then, you know, like Lil Sammy rolls in like five foot even, whatever he was like it's like Frank gets to be law for the Bishop or like right you know sort of clones of him like roughly his height like you know he gets to be like the protagonist height normal within this within this group he appears to be normal heighted yeah yes a little too gangly like you know like I'm pretty excited Frank's the baseline I'm pretty excited to have two performers on here Because this is I don't know how important this is because I don't know anything about this comedy business So I don't know what you mean to perform. Yeah, I don't know what you mean. You guys are performers. You're comedians

You know how this stuff works show business Same thing you do. Don't act like you're different. You're both show business guys. Yeah, I just want to clarify, Hayes is very funny, but I don't think you have done, you would be more of a writer than a performer, you would have to say, in terms of like TV stuff. Absolutely.

Show business. He's making me seem like an improv guy or something. Yeah, yeah, he's not done improv. That's Sean. Sean's done improv, and he's not done standup either. He's actually clearly very offended by the notion that he is a stand-up comedian or that's not what I'm saying I'm saying you guys are show business guys. Yes, true. Yeah, we're LA guys. We're both LA kind of guys Today that's right

Dean was best at giving and taking jokes and was the best at reading the room and could adapt to any situation Sometimes he completely dropped. He could adapt in a very specific way. Yes. That's a kind of adapting. He'd completely dropped the drunk act and just use pure wit to get through a crowd's air. Frank and Sally, Sammy, it says Sally, sorry. Frank and Sammy were, Sammy would be pissed if he heard his wife's name was Sally. It's just like trying to be like, Hey, can you stop posting this and Sally, that's what auto correct has always got to try to do because Frank and Sammy were both cool, but there's a level between Dean and everyone else. And our OP says that's a great way of putting it Yeah, no, I listen I I don't disagree with them on that, but I don't know enough

I could be wrong But just in my limited knowledge Dean seemed like the coolest guy and the one that I would want to like hang out with at A bar or something probably no question. Yeah Not and again like his singing whatever and like I feel like I've heard Yeah. Not me. And again, like his singing, whatever. And like, I feel like I've heard Dean, more, and maybe all of us have heard like more Dean Martin.

I feel like his Christmas song is like out there more than anything of, like my way, I guess. Yeah, I know. I think Dean Martin is just as, like his songs are just as famous now as Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra, the name is probably the biggest name still out of the rap pack. Brian, who would you like to hang out with, by the way? You said not me. Somebody cool.

Like Frank, like which one would you pick? Which would you pick? Peter Lofford. Straight to Frank. You'd go to Peter Lofford. You'd go with Peter Lofford. You'd go with me and Lofford. I wonder what Lofford, Why do I know his name?

Like what did he do? What did he what did he was friends in the rat Kennedy? Yeah, he's in a rat pack Okay, I'm gonna look at me and lawford could gang up and beat up Frank just for fun So this guy asked the question and I think this is a good question for everybody goes My family keeps criticizing me for listening to Frank for everybody goes, uh, my family keeps criticizing me for listening to Frank. They claim his music is quote old and boring and that I should like music that's more relevant. It really frustrates me because I think Frank's music is amazing. His interpretation of lyrics and phrasing is astounding. However, my family claims his all his songs all sound the same. I just don't understand. They all like indie music, Oasis, blur Arctic

monkeys at rappers, X, X, X, Tintas, Yon and Taylor Swift. Hmm. I guess I just have to live with them criticizing my music taste, but it sucks. This didn't happen. And that's unfortunate. They, they don't take an interest in it at all. If there is, if there is a family, that's a big if there is a question to that in the thread. Oh, people, people do. People are actually checking like show me, show me this family. Put your mom on here now and have her tell me she likes X, X, X, I think he w he has tried maybe to make overtures and they're like no, thanks and he says why And yes, they say it's just like kind of old. It's a little boring to me and he says well What do you like instead and they say these things but he's they're not coming to him and criticizing him for this They're not unless he's playing the music a lot really loudly and like bothering them with it

They're not going out of their way to nobody's going out of their way to Criticize somebody else's music that they listen to in headphones or whatever, you know Well, this that's why this valuable mistake 85 21 does respond and say who gives it shit You shouldn't all my friends listen to a mix of rock and rap with a little pop every now and again My dad listens to folk and classical music my mom listens to romantic pop and my sister listens to Taylor Swift among other artists I listen to Frank Sinatra. I have a playlist on Apple music. That's 11 hours and 43 minutes of solid Sinatra music That's that's that's not that's a norm. Yeah, that's good. Just half of a day. Wait a second, how many songs did he do?

Oh, he just sang everybody's songs. He did a lot of songs in everyone else's. He had his own and would sing everyone else's. This was like, Adele was the only one of the last 20 years, I feel like, after Whitney Houston where it would just be like, yeah, whatever. Just give her another song. Only one of the last like 20 years. I feel like after like Whitney Houston Where it would just be like yeah, whatever just give her and give her another song ever sing that yeah Like he was just he was a singer through and through it's like he was throwing songs in front of him He's sitting in a booth and he's fucking singing all day long basically. Yeah, and he was the first one I know like music up to that point was not like for teens

Like yeah, like he was like the Bobby Soxers or that they called him around that time That it was Frank when that market appeared for the first time Interesting you say that cuz I saw some footage of people mashing to boogie woogie bugle boy of Company three the teenagers were going nuts for Yankee Doodle back in the day. I don't be And everything else starts with the B Yeah, well boogie woogie bugle boy from company three is a no real famous jam from Batman and Three is a real famous jam from back then and Then there was Yankee Doodle and there was America the Beautiful and that was all the music until Frank Sinatra

When's Frank Sinatra from when did he come out? Like when when did he come out is he before? I'm just realizing I have no concept of when he's music came out. I don't either I think the 20s No concept of when he's music came out. I don't either I think the 20s Five on the AI overview from Google. Oh, yeah, we know that's a good source, so so it was like the 1940s or something Yeah, it was it was the 40s that he like really really hit he was born in 1915 and he was in like his mid 20s when he so it's like early 40 like 41 42 is during the war okay? Yeah, it said he began in the 30s and continued into the 90s with a number of notable events occurring along the way

He was part of an orchestra Yes, part of like Tommy Dorsey's orchestra And it was one of those things where he had to like get out of contract with these like famously tyrannical horrible men It'd be like okay sure you're out, but I like you know I will like fuck you up I'm gonna destroy you well that's that's actually I'm sure though They probably ended up fucking six feet under later on anyone who cross as we all know what happened Yeah, well Tommy Dorsey's not around anymore dead from Frank's hand Frank

Yes, obviously became one of the most powerful mafiosos in America. That's not true I love that angle of it the people who are really like you know he oh I think he could fucking handle himself in that situation you know like It's fine. I did Google and by the way, the reason the way I got that answer was googling when did Frank Sinatra come out? Yeah, so 1935 is what it looks like that's his way. So that's his debut album. Yeah This person goes I let it so they they don't care what I listen to it

I don't care what they listen to besides listening to older music such as Sinatra is unique It's easy to find lovers of pop rock or even classical music But as new generations come to fruition older but classic music and genres become rarer and rarer So yeah, these are two different taxonomies a little bit So we're talking about Rat Pack guys, right? Yeah. And like some of the Frank guys, like the music guys, the crooners,

are Rat Pack guys, of course, they like that stuff. But I think there's also guys that are mostly about the pack aspect of it. This was like a 90s thing, like the 90s rat pack revival type stuff swingers like That was about guys putting on a very shiny shirt And just like going out trying to zap chicks

Like holy shit They didn't care about the music They like they had like there was like a drink, you know They you know try to drink drink booey or whatever the fuck and like Smoke a certain way that like see making drinking and smoking cool while you were out with your five Like your little crew of five Totally disconnected from any of the music they don't care about any of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. We all know it's kind of happening

at the same time. Do they make the same mistake as Brian? They're like, yeah, fucking swings like 20 years earlier. Yeah, I hated it at the time and I was in high school or middle school. I didn't like it. Hey, I do want to bring up that you said they would go out and zap chicks and I've only one other person say that My entire life Who? the Grease man waddle doodle Yeah, the Grease man that's that's a grease and cuz you're using sort of the terminology of the time and I believe that's what he was

Doing as well. So it does sort of make sense. Also I noticed that you've got a thing called the hat pack on there I didn't know if that's why you brought me on like we've got this is our proprietary merch is The new incarnation speaking of which I just realized this is frickin embarrassing. I've got it I'm wearing Hollywood handbook merch my I did not even realize that wasn't intentional handbook merch. I did not even realize that wasn't intentional. Good. I did not realize that at all. That's so embarrassing. No, this is just a piece of my like clothing and my fashion that I wear and it happened to be on today's thing. And it's like, I'm only now realizing it. Just say that you like the show. This is something that's allowed. We don't, we don't have that many people. It'd be nice to have some of them be like, yes, it's okay

I like this. He's I thought it was a hell. I was like I hope that's a Helly Hansen. Sure That's what I tell people. I'll be honest. I tell people it's a Helly Hansen. I'm sorry. Listen, I love the show Hey, I love it You know a day one fan who came down to Seattle to watch it live, but I just I can't tell anybody I can't tell anybody. Oh, you can't say it's podcast merch Yeah, I just can't tell anybody that I listen to the show or tell anybody about it It's my deepest darkest secret that I have and I'll never share it with anybody, but I will continue to listen in support Know about these hat like so yeah, but the story of the hats is

The dawn of the fourth turning each turning produces a new pack the rat pack the brat pack the fourth turning, each turning produces a new pack, the rat pack, the brat pack, the frat pack, it's about every 20 years or so of separation. We have an opportunity, not like, you know, the pack didn't emerge. Yeah. It was like the Mayan calendar, there's like, you know, like a void was created.

It didn't happen organically No, and so we say hey, what if we? Democratize this thing open it up to the actual people instead of saying like, okay It's these like handful of guys which got bigger every time Yeah, let's get it smaller. Let's get it smaller again. Or do you guys want to get it even bigger? No, it's bigger. It's anyone who Let's get it smaller again, or do you guys want to get it even bigger? No, it's bigger. It's anyone who Buys or gets the hat. Okay, I'm doing it a hat pack. That's I'm in okay Yeah, I mean I'm I mean I'm in okay. You're not yet. I will be using yeah, it costs $29 American and Canadian dollars not doing well right now, so let's keep in mind it costs a lot more for all the same

Seven million dollars to him This guy goes uh, where's he at? Without Sinatra and Elvis there would not be bands like the Beatles and without the Beatles there probably wouldn't even be bands like blur or Oasis, etc. So there's nothing to create a thing before Sinatra Elvis. We don't have to worry about that. Well, it was two white men. They were just formed out of those Caucasian men invented music. Hey, I'm not sure if you've done your history, but those two Caucasian men invented music and everything kind of comes. So we don't need to. We don't need to doubt. No, they just appeared like Mr. Bean at the beginning of the shows yeah, I believe it I like this guy that says a lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. Oh

Yep, a lion doesn't lose your family Is that tell that to your goddamn family? I Think so I thought it was something else. I didn't think it was sleep, but maybe I don't know Doug says you'll simply have to learn to shrug it off. On the other hand, how do they know you listen to Sinatra? If you're playing recordings when they can hear them, maybe you should cut down on doing so.

That's the best piece of advice. That's the story. These guys also don't like public music. They don't like those guys on the subway that are like, you know, their beats pill out. That gets them really pissed off. Oh yeah. Yeah, they like the private music experience. you know, other beats pill out that gets them really pissed off. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

They like the private the private music experience. And it's like they're sitting there listening to some nice crooning and they can kind of hear like a beat going in the background. That's totally messing up the fucking, you know, the meter of Frank's beautiful voice. I mean, I understand. That's frustrating. I was just walking through the convention center today. Why? No bathroom. True. Because it's cold here and I wanted to be warm. Frustrating I was just walking through the convention center today. Why no bathroom trip Because it's cold

Here and I wanted to be warm. I said to check Beds there's a lot of beds set up there like hot goes there to go to the bathroom He goes there to go to the bathroom He does the bathroom and there and this is like a high-end place where people pay a lot of money to put their events On and they'll often get ruined by him You know, they don't get ready. Nobody knows who crap Well, you know that it's you that ruined it but you do ruin it. Yeah, it is ruined. It's ruined They just don't know that you're the culprit a Guy was listening to a podcast out loud on his phone as he was walking by and I was like, oh, you really shouldn't do that

You'd rather have them listen to music. Yeah, that's that is odd. That's that's the same as having like a Speakerphone conversation or whatever with someone it does seem a little bit rude, but I also understand Gosh, sometimes I'll be a need to listen to a podcast and my headphones aren't working and sometimes I will throw it on Unless it's Hollywood handbook because I don't want anybody The other ones I will put it on sometimes I'll just put it quiet up next to my ear sometime. I've actually done that I've done that before Yeah, where you make you're like you're on the phone and you turn it up kind of pretend You're having a phone conversation, but your phone's upside down. Yes, and you just so you don't everybody's making fun of you

Well, no, I think they think you're on the public. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're like that phones upside down No, you can't really tell with an iPhone necessarily. I can't look really closely to tell I can This guy goes. Yeah, you're not alone. This happens to me at times when I tell people I like crooners or more specifically Frank I live in England. That's probably why it's a passive aggressive place England not into Frank. Yeah, I don't know that he has a lot of, I wonder how the crooning is, if it was popular there ever. I feel like it wasn't, but maybe I'm wrong.

This guy goes, I totally agree. And no one knows I listen to Frank because people would make fun of me for it. Smart, he just keeps it to himself and that's fair. That's the way to do it. I would too. I mean, I don't keep anything to myself. So everybody makes fun of me for everything I will say I do not like the rat pack. I don't like crooners. I don't like any of that much

Much worse music cooler stuff or modern This guy who said hey Brian if you could have your dream guest like anybody who would it be on the show and he said violent J from the ICP But see this is the thing you're you want the same thing You want men to get they're just dressing up in a different way And you want these men to be able to like get together and do a little show for the people. Yeah Yeah, I wasn't even about I I think they never, like, you never saw, like, there's no recording that I know of, of like Frank and Dino and Sammy singing together.

It just wasn't the thing. It was like, it was, it was, they were just boys. It was dinner theater. It was like this dinner theater where it's all smoky and everyone's smoking and yeah, it's just a, it is the classic male, the whiskey, the like all of that stuff. It all like sort of falls in line. I bet there would be a huge crossover with a lot of those sort of classic male type guys that we've covered. The whiskey guys, I bet there's a lot of whiskey guys. No, no, no, no. Cause Sinatra drinks Jack Daniels, Jack Daniels. He made Jack Daniels into the gigantic problem with whiskey guys. Hey, the whiskey guys spit on Jack Daniels

and people like Brian and I, you know, obviously we would only drink Pappy van. We would only drink P 23 year VW 23 year. The 10 year stuff is piss. I will brush my teeth with the 10 year, but that's it. Basically. Yeah. Sammy drink and there is definitely this type of guy. He drank Japanese whiskey. Oh yeah. Yeah. I know that guy. That yeah. But he bought the, and this is where all these guys get off board. He drank it in high balls. And so he was. I don't know. You know what a high ball is. I don't drink. I don't drink. A's like the last time I drank I was into sex on the beach. It's a cocktail but it's like your grandpa's kind of like tall glass. It's the

thing that you see like clinking around at the when Don Draper would go to California. Yeah. No that type of this guy goes could be a lot worse. You could be listening to rap that would really not be good Yeah, and okay. So now we're really kind of getting down to it aren't we like this is not your fan But if you're listening to a fan 1915, I never understood that because you wouldn't be liking it You'd be listening to because you liked it Yeah, so not your fan 1915. No, no, no, that's not allowed this is in the canon of white male toughness of like Boston noir movies, Westerns before that of like white guys being like,

okay, let me reach back in history for a time where like we were the toughest guys and everyone was kind of scared of us or let's find the geography. Okay, there's this one part of Boston that's like a bunch of like poor white gang members. Like we got to pound this. We have to like get every squeeze every last drop out of this community of like 50,000 people and the the rat pack you know obviously not all of them were white but like the Frank Frank being like someone who the mythology was that he could just like have you killed mm-hmm is part of that like for these guys you like you're a race trader. Basically if you go listen to rap me rap rap Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well this guy this guy does Sinatra fan 1915 does say criticize their taste back

You're the one that likes actual music remember Hmm, so see it into that's not rap music bit of oxymoron And then get into a really heated debate about this thing that they don't want to talk about That should that should win everybody over at the family dinners Yeah, I hate I I was when I was in Vegas I've only been there once And the whole time I wanted to be away from anything rat pack related and I hated seeing the guys walking down the street kind of dressed like it with the

Fedoras on and stuff. It just drove it. I don't know why it just I never liked it I went to an actual like I went to the desert in or deserts Yeah, I think that was what is called That was a real old rap pack when I went to Vegas once when I was a kid too And that was I played I went there to see Dana Carvey live and it was incredible It is chopping broccoli is if I can sing and chop and broccoli I went Oh, I love I was like 11 years old or something. It was like I was the greatest show I had ever seen in my life

It was insane. But yeah, I remember it being at the desert it or whatever. They had like Everything was all throwbacks to rap pack shit all this stuff up on the wall and they just like they were so proud of that you know and a bunch of weird guys show up and like shorts and like a Shirt that has a funny saying on the front of it sit down or like this is what it must have felt like yeah Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just a drunkest fucking red-faced guy from Texas wearing some vulgar faced guy from Texas wearing some vulgar t-shirt, sits down with his ass sweating through his shorts onto the seat and he's just like, this is what it must have felt like to be Dino.

Well, speaking of Dean, there is a DVD on Amazon for sale called the Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts. Oh yeah. I mean, these are famous. These are- The Friars Club. Yeah, this is the thing that I know him, like these are the things that I saw most of it. I actually went back and watched these before. Speaking of the Friars. Yeah, this is the this is the thing that I know him like these are the things that I saw most of It I actually went back and watched these before speaking of the drunk characters. They had that famous

What now I can't remember the guy's name people are people know it and they're frustrated right now But there was a fame Dean Martin. No, it wasn't Dean Martin. It was this other it was this other guy But he was like over the top with it. Like he was doing a bad fake drunk impression, you know? But those were actually, they were pretty funny. You know what I mean? Like I, yeah, they were pretty good. They were, you know, and I think what really made them good or what was that they did have that feeling of like,

we're all a bunch of old boys, old buddies and stuff like that. And that sort of is what drove it and made it interesting to watch. But I mean, I'll be honest, I did not understand any of the jokes. Like they're all like, you know, like making some reference.

I have no concept about it all. Maybe you'll like this then. B. Kelly gave it five stars. We usually read bad reviews. Yeah. I'm gonna read some good ones today. Thought Donles LaWanda page Nipsey Russell and Lucy were the funniest ones on these DVDs now he goes into it You're gonna get every part of a rat-pat guy in this one review every everything these DVDs are hilarious My favorite roaster is grumpy old Don Rickles. I

My favorite roaster is grumpy old Don Rickles. I hate Don Rickles and Lawanda Page who played grumpy old Aunt Esther on Sanford and Son. They're both hilarious. And so is Nipsey Russell. Freaky old Phyllis Diller makes a few appearances. Sometimes she's funny and sometimes not seeing the old movie and TV and comedy stars that were popular in the 70s when I was in elementary school brings back memories of old rerun TV shows. My parents used to watch when I was a bit of wee lad. They should have had Carol Burnett as a roaster. She would do all kinds of crazy things on her show to get people to laugh and would laugh herself on live TV.

Lucille Ball is on a few of the roasts and it's funny Also, you get to see a side of the comedians that you never saw before like most of them are smoking Well, this slide is great like most of them are smoking and drinking and sometimes cussing on the stage at the roast That's probably why they are all dead now Smoking and drinking I, I think some to commence Procs I think it was like the year they were born as well Well, you know Frank's secret so pranked at Frank smoked Paul mall unfiltered. Oh, those are you're like, okay? He lived to 82 years old that doesn't track that don't make any sense

He didn't inhale Like I did in high school. Yes He was just like sucking it get like blow it back out immediately And he would just take like one or two putt like he never has it's never like down to the no filter I guess but like that's so dorky. He took like one or two puffs and then put it out. So we'd always have a Lit cigarette in his hands, but he'd go through like 50 of them. That's brutal. That's such a smart way to cool.

Yes! I don't know, people who smoke can tell you're not inhaling though. Like me, I'd be watching you. Back then they didn't know. Back then they didn't know. They didn't have all the information about it. They weren't sure. About inhaling?

Yeah, it just wasn't as clear back then It was in the science lesson settled on it when I was 11 is when I started smoking cigarettes And we went to my friend Aaron's house And he well cuz he was like a cool dude. Yeah Reebok pumps very cool and like I'm like the second day of school He walked up to me. It was like do you smoke and I was like, yeah, I didn't smoke I actually had never smoked. Yeah, but I knew I had to get on an errand train or My life would be easy from then on you know what I mean So I said yes, I do smoke and he was like once you come let's go to my house after school and smoke some cigarettes

So I did that every day for like a month and I didn't inhale and then this goddamn guy Mike is like you're not inhaling So then I was like started Breathing in the smoke and then swallowing like I was swallowing the smoke you didn't know Yeah, I did that if you didn't know how to do it I had no idea how to smoke and then one day Mike was like you're not inhaling and I was like yes I am look and I hit it and I swallowed it you're eating it. I hit I'm eating a cigarette like yes, I am look and I hit it. I swallowed it you're eating it. I hit I'm eating a cigarette. Okay, I Finally he just I I breed I put the thing up

I breathe it in and he fucking punched me in the stomach and I was like Like that and then he was like that's how you inhale and I was like, thank you What a good friend sounds like a really good friend Thank you Sounds like a really good friend Mike's a teacher. He could have been a teacher instead. He's then you know, he's not doing very good Oh, I thought you said he is a teacher now you meant like he was he should be but no he I don't think he is He he's a little bit of a mess if you ask me. Oh really you don't want to really it's like not a funny mess Well, he was my drug dealer for a period of time. What kind of drugs pills?

Pills yeah, that's and that's a real drug dealer. That's not some weed guy. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's like dealing with the pharmaceutical industry Yeah, yeah Him and the Sacklers were working together Yeah. Him and the Sacklers were working together on getting me pills. Those guys who do that though, like back in the day, cause we had obviously at Oxycontin when I was growing up was this huge, huge issue, you know, like the good old days. Perkocet at Oxycontin was like, everyone had so it struck me that it was like, yeah, there was these people who were just getting all these prescriptions. Like that was the way

to get ahold of it. They were physically going and like getting prescriptions and stuff. No, I'll tell you how. Wait, but when you say that like those are the real drug dealers like they would just go to the doctor. Like it's not like the doctor is not going to shoot you. They're actually the least hardcore drug dealers. Actually we are not the real drug dealers. We got like shitty weeds. Like you, they were like many of the people they were dealing with were armed Yeah Somebody says I'd like if somebody says I'd like some drugs Uh-huh, and then you go to hand them some weed or some mushrooms or some LSD. They're like no the drugs are more

potent LSD in there LSD is a real heavy duty drug. Not a real drug. Real drugs are pills. Nobody is, nobody is walking up to a drug dealer and saying, and I get some drugs. They all know the kind they want when they ask for it, Brian. Right. But if you told me, hey, Brian, which you don't have one anyway, so it didn't matter. Hey Brian, meet my drug dealer. I'm like, are we are we talking real drugs. Are we talking marijuana LSD. Yeah I wouldn't. Marijuana is legal here so I wouldn't have a marijuana dealer. I only smoke illegal marijuana. That's very cool. I will say like like when

you talk about like where these the real drug dealers or whatever a lot of the pill dealers were like white grandmas. Yeah like that's what I was going to say. So Mike knew several other people who were going to pain management clinics and that's giving him half of their pill. That's why I'm, that's why I'm saying that the idea of that, that just like when you would buy those pills, somebody was like going through all of that, like dealing with the pharmaceutical people, the doctor and like getting a prescription filled and stuff It was just wild to me. They weren't like meeting the cartel. Yeah Cartel like dusty road. That's what I expect, you know

He was working at a gas station and I could just go to the gas station be like I need 15 Vicodin and he would give him tell him to me. It was great He's the guy I told you was selling cable equipment to which I get filled in one by one about these guys you like keep it relatively vague but like the picture becomes very complete very fast sometimes he doesn't have two different jobs sometimes he says their full name and everything like that as well sure so. So yeah. Well, porno isn't porno Sean's real name. But you've showed it to me. You sent me his link then. Oh, I did show you a picture. I wanted you to see him. He looks for it. He looks a lot like porno Sean. This guy goes a great laugh blast from the past. The D Martin roasts. What a memory. They started in 1974

Watergate era. Wow. That's late Yeah, these guys hung on that's just incredible like that's what they were so old and they were still kind of like Just like playing like middle eight like 40 year old guy. They always seemed 30 or 40 to me You know like everything every time you saw them And that's that's how I remember when Frank Sinatra died I was on some trip with my parents and like he was still a guy who was like kind of performing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah last show was in his last show was in Tokyo Japan here I learned you have the year for it I think it was 94 yeah so I

because I remember it happened he was almost 80 I was a like I remember it happening I was old enough to like remember it was almost a I was like I remember it happening I was old enough to like realize it was happening. I do not remember it happening I was old enough, but I did not care. Yeah, I was busy doing politics stuff, you know Volunteering and you know pushing the country to the left is what I was doing I'm glad you were watching Frank Sinatra stuff to this show Rogan. This is what I've been saying. That's what I'm saying. It's go for broke as there is no woke in these comedy sketches, politics, race, insults, jabs. It's all fair game and guess what? It's all funny and in good taste and all laugh at it and each other

and at themselves. It's cool because there is no woke. That's something that actually could have gotten out there. It's, you know, I feel like some of the ones that have go woke, go broke, things like that. Like, I mean, it's very similar. I feel like it does make you sound more bad. Let's go for broke. Cause there is no woke kind of makes you seem more bad ass than go broke, go woke, go broke because you're saying like, I'm going hard and fast with this anti woke stuff. You know what I mean? Like it's like you're, you're, you're pushing it through because you won't see any of this on TV today and it would be too inflammatory. And that's

a shame. It's not really a shame. I wish that you can, cause you can find this stuff so easily, like in much worse and much more, you can just go and find it. It's very easy. I'm sorry that it's not on cable television that nobody has anyways. Like, what are you? And the Comedy Central roasts were, like, I mean, very racist.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure the same way. Lisa Lampanelli's entire thing was that she had sex with black men sometimes. Yeah. She is better now. She's different She's changed now. She has sex with all kinds of men of different races But but it it does it is really like fuck I mean they got they got killers like Hinchcliffe writing stuff on there. Yes, like he I mean he's holding back

Yeah, he's holding back. Yeah, he's holding back Not you know what I mean like no, but that's a good point The ways is that is on network television, and it probably is just as Racist yeah, it's just an excuse people make for like no. They just don't like it. They just don't want to watch it It's not because it's Anything about the content. They're not oversensitive. They just do not like it. This guy goes, and this reminds me of a thing we talked about recently. This guy went to the Renaissance festival and the guy that you throw tomatoes at to insult you insulted him. Okay. And he said it ruined his whole day because he was too mean.

He took it too far. That's good. And this guy goes, the everything and everything, everyone and everything, cunning jokes delivered by clever wordsmiths. I do enjoy this old school pushing the limits of what they could legally get away with.

Legally. Legally get away with. I guess back then it was closer to true, not because of being racist But like whatever Lenny Bruce was doing yeah, but you know just like saying talking about nipples or whatever saying pussy Hey, see or whatever yeah, yes, yeah Hey, when I first started like thinking I wanted to do comedy I started trying to be one of those guys It's like oh, man

You know I'm checking into Lenny Bruce and seeing it bill and I listen to it and I was like and Bill Hicks I was like this is a worse shit. I've ever heard of my entire oh God awful Felix I read a whole book about him when I was same thing like getting into comedy stuff And it was like this is the guy and like wouldn't even admit it to myself I was like this is terrible. Yeah. The fact that at the end of like his I mean you know the end of his shows you would hear a gunshot and he would fall on the stage because I guess he had to be taken out. The idea was that like the shit he said was too raw and he had to be like killed by the government or something

It was so bad. This shit was bad he spent like a long period of the show just talking shit about Madonna and Then at the end he acted like he was getting shot for his inflammatory Like I don't think there's anybody who thinks he's funny I don't think it's one of those weird things where something got convinced of it before and now nobody wants to admit it like you, Hayes. They're like, no. But he's in the pantheon still, for whatever reason.

It's not like something that people go back and watch and are like, this is good. I believe it, to some extent, doesn't hold up. In multiple ways, people talk about how it's offensive, like Eddie Murphy Delirious and stuff but like, you know Sensibilities change. It's not weird to look back at something and be like, hey, I don't like this anymore I've seen so much of it that this is not like good to me one thing that does hold up. I

Watched the Manchurian candidate for the first time in like a long time, like three months ago. It's just fucking good. It's fun to watch even now and Frank is good at it. I got to watch it. I've never seen the original. I've only seen the remake of it. When I was like, cause it came out when I was-

Oh, I only watch remakes. Yeah. I watched the remake cause it came out like when I was younger and like actually came came on I didn't even realize till I was older that there is an original one But I love the story and I don't think I've ever really seen Frank do his acting So I maybe will watch good as hell and Frank was a good actor That's cool. That's that's cool. I yeah Brian. Why you don't think he's a good actor I've never seen it. I Don't watch old movies. I only watch movies one time. Yeah, and I don't watch any old one Yeah, so who's our guy who else has crossed over like that from being a crew any kind of crooner to a?

movie star Seth McFarlane Marlin of course McFarlane million diet ways to die in the West. Ted? Yes. Ted too? Yeah. Ted the TV series?

Ted the TV series. He's not gonna happen. I see people talking about now when people are debating the best voice, our best living singer, people talk about Tyrese like that. And I don't like- I haven't heard him in years.

Exactly. He just stopped doing it. But people were like, this what, you don't understand. Like this was the guy. Tyrese was great, but he doesn't feel like he was around for that long. But then again, maybe that's just my dumb ass. Maybe he was, you know what I mean?

Maybe he was around a long time and people loved him. Maybe he just kept doing it and like, yeah, sure sure he might still be doing it now. He probably is Before we finish there is a there there actually I want to read one more by somebody named trace could be the famous trace Chris From bubba the love sponge. He goes aside splitting jaunt down memory lane Although I have not watched all episodes yet. I've thoroughly enjoyed the ones I have no politically correct BS here There are no f-bombs or cursing which was nice way They're smoking of course drinking the n-word is used and no one takes a fat so wait he

This guy wants there to be the n-word, but not the f-word No, he did. Listen, those are classless words. So he's, and also he has no idea. I mean, he's watching it and assuming that no one took offense at the time because no one stood up and was like, Hey, yeah, I think maybe they did. Maybe they did, I guess.

Yeah. I'm sure some people were like a little uncomfortable, even then even, yeah, maybe we're uncomfortable and offended by it and upset by it but I find that I love these guys who are just like it was so great because you could say whatever you want and they didn't say the F word. But wait what like why like why don't you want them to be able to say the F word. Isn't that no. Do you like it's no more important to say the N word really. It really is a thing that they have though where they're just like, I deal with it all the time because I'm dealing with these like Christian guys like Brad Stein we watch on

my stream sometimes. Oh he's good. And he won't, he's like all about like you gotta be able to say whatever you want this boat and he will not curse. You know he's doing like a church thing. He just will not say anything like blasphemous or like a swear word. And it's like, well, you're not, you're not a free speech person then you're not interested in free speech at all. Man Cal two. He has free speech tattooed on his arm and yet he won't say, but cause he's

so religious. So he won't say blasphemous stuff. So it's like, that's not what free speech is. I'm not a free speech guy, but if, if I was, I would, I am, yeah, I know you are. This is also something back engineered from hating rap music and it's like, you know You need a reason for like why you hate it. That's not because like you're racist Yeah, and so it they that's why they always talk about like the F this and F that or whatever It's like you don't actually care about that. Yeah Yeah, I will say there are there is one more thing I want to do it is called the real the rat pack is back okay and it is a

tribute show in Las Vegas oh yes and some of the reviews conjure up an image that I don't think I was ready for Ray John says says, if you love the Rat Pack, skip this one. Oh, no. What year is this review? When can you give me an idea when this is happening? Do you have any idea? Uh, is this current day? Modern is current May 20, 24. It's a may. The implication is also sort of like if you're not that into the Rat Pack,

you could have like a pretty decent. It's actually really, really fun for non very accessible very good for non rap back lovers If you have somebody who hates the rap back Said I'll go to this when I go to Vegas next time. I'll get myself here if you this guy goes singing was great Acting was great, especially quote Dean Martin They tried to recreate the banner for which these three were famous, but some of the jokes were really off-putting.

Oh. They made excuses by saying it was the 60s. But if that's the case. Wow. So they went for it. So they're just like, wow. They're just like, step inside the showroom and find yourself in a different time. And then you're like, oh, this is fun.

And then somebody's like, saying like, hey, that woman's not allowed to be here then you're like, oh, this is fun. And then somebody's like, you know, saying like, hey, that woman's not allowed to be here. Like, wait a second. Why? He goes, but they made excuses by saying it was the 60s. But if that's the case, then why reference current pop figures? That's confusing. That's interesting.

That's like the insult guy, that same tomato insult guy, Hayes, he was like, this was at a Ren fair, so a Renaissance fair. And the guy insulting was like, you look like the shit that Amber Heard took on Johnny Depp's shoes. It's like, he can't say that in the Renaissance times. You have to do that because like in the same way you didn't understand any of their old references, like they can't be stuck in that time. I went to see when Val Kilmer was doing those Mark Twain shows. I went to see it was doing them at Hollywood forever.

And the whole idea was that he had like stepped out of a time just like woken up in these modern times. He would comment on your the way like your ways very exotic to me now. But like in the creative process you could just see like on day one you're just like okay well I obviously can't be talking about just like riverboat shit like I don't have enough of that. I got to like, I got to win an audience over every single night. I'm going to have to talk a bit about the news. I think in, in relation to the Renaissance fair was really funny in relation to this too because they are saying it's the sixties and at the Renaissance fair, they make up, they call credit cards magic. So they don't have to say credit card. You know what I mean? They call them like, Oh, the pay magic system. So like they do that,

but then also the guy can make references to Amber heard and Johnny Depp. I do like that. I sure they call it like, you know, call people like sir LeBron. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He does say he does say the venues tiny. The size of a living room. Sad really. Oh that is as a guy has never been to an open bike. This is sad. This is sad. It is sad when it's so small because if it's going badly because you're just in the room with the guys and they're having a bad time and it's going badly because you're just in the room with the guys and then they're having a bad time and it's going really badly and that's different than when they're up on the stage and it's like a big theater or whatever.

When you're just in the room with guys who are doing so badly, it is hard to deal with. It's like that place Greg Dean used to work where it only held 15 people. Yeah, that's not good. It's good, it's like, oh, it looks full and everything like that and that part is good. But if it starts going badly, everyone, it's like the same as if you're like hanging out at a party with somebody and they're like

Having a really bad time embarrassing themselves or whatever you know and you're just like sitting there with them. It sucks Well, Leslie says not even close to stars I really don't know where to start first of all my dad was a friend of Dean Martin. Okay. That's a good place to start Really don't know where to start first of all my dad was a friend of Dean. Okay. That's a good place to start You don't know No The Frank no way looks nothing like I'm Sammy way too tall Jesus Yeah, it is tough cuz to find a really tiny

Yeah, it is tough because to find a really tiny Like black guy who is also a good singer one eye has one eye and then define like yeah It's you're not gonna get it exactly perfect. You just have to suspend your disbelief a little bit there, you know Yeah, you got it. You can't be strict about the height of It was just so small so like to get his height There's just not that many people who are that height you know they I do have an idea Have you ever heard of dwarf on golf yes? I have and I do know Good I put shoes on Sammy Davis juniors yeah, and he'd have to be very tall then the guy playing That is one I thought of and then she goes he goes

Sammy was way too tall we were not happy We were told that they want a first one first in a contest saying that you'll see the real thing not We were not happy about the height of Sammy We walked out after 30 minutes, and we weren't the first to leave So now we'll get an idea for what they were doing a half hours. Oh, I bet you it is I will it's painful that people are walking out and it's a living room size because it's like it's not like that's that's very Obvious to everybody that that's happening. Whoo, he goes apparently it's okay to be homophobic and sexist because it's taking place in the 60s. Now, this line's great.

The Frank Sinatra portrayer had the best voice, but no enthusiasm. He's probably embarrassed to be in this show. The Dean Martin character did dad jokes and slurred, wow. But the worst was Sammy Davis Jr. character. We couldn't understand his words when he sang and he kept thrusting his pelvis out. It made no sense. Wait, is that a move that Sammy used to do a lot? We couldn't understand his words when he sang and he kept thrusting his pelvis out

That a move that Sammy used to do Did for this show I Don't know. I don't know if because there wasn't a lot of pelvis stuff before I've never I've never seen like I've seen footage of Sammy Davis jr. I've never seen him doing the classic pelvic thrust, but maybe he did. The music is not really conducive to that type of rhythm, you know? It sounds like it was a pretty bad show though. Frank's like, he's pretty good, but he's really phoning it in. Yeah, I like that. That's what I want to see. I like the idea of the guy not really giving it his all. Gareth from Cardiff UK says two stars not classy Frank Sinatra had a great voice Dean Martin was okay, but Sammy Davis Jr. Couldn't sing the big number

Mr.. Bojangles was left out of the show as I don't think Sammy and Javis jr.. Is character was up to it Sammy Davis jr.. Made his part down market and not classy at all. I don't know it down market I was down mark. I don't down market. I know exactly what that means. Uh, right. How many reviews for the show? I don't know how many reviews there are for the show. Uh, 188. There are 188. That's a little more maybe than I would have thought, but I'm also guessing the show has been around for like 20 years. Yeah. Probably more like everywhere. I looked on Vegas. If you'd go to the Las Vegas subreddit and stuff and you type rat pack, this is what comes

up though. So I'm a little surprised that there isn't a bigger rat pack show, but I mean like this, this culture is on life. I guess it's not real. There's not that many people keeping it alive because even when you do go onto the reddits and the message boards, they're not, you know, there's some diehards there, but yeah, it's really losing. You know who wants to bring it back and kind of a sad way? Uh, Drake, Drake Drake Drake he like is very into the idea still of like going to a C-Rose style like there's this place Delilah in West Hollywood. He has a song on his last album

that's called like 6279 Santa which is the address on Santa Monica of this club Delilah if you look inside the club like it is a very like those kind of brightly lit big like semicircular booth tables or like you go to like see and be seen like that type of place he loves it so he is so down for this kind of thing he wants himself to be he wants to be like a classic kind of guy do you think there's any chance that you know he's he's obviously doing very of guy. Do you think there's any chance that, you know, he's obviously doing very well with his music.

You know, he's trying, he's had a tough run-in. He's had a rough run-in with Kendrick, but it's not hurting his, you know, his style. He's still absolutely massive. But do you think there's any point he might go, move towards this kind of crooning style in his later years. Can you imagine that? Really bring it back.

I can. Yes, I can. Good. I can. Good. Sammy Davis Jr. made his part down market and not classy at all. He pretended on numerous occasions that the microphone was his penis. Sick.

Yeah. He pretended the microphone was his penis. See, it made the whole. He pretended the microphone was his penis. I mean, it's not. He's humping the stool. It sounds like he's got full rogan up there. He's just like, and he's just giving it hard on the stool. He's like being so sexual. And then, yeah, Frank's like phoning it in like,

I'm going to my work. Like, he's just not into it. And I think Dean's like phoning it in like it's not into it and And I think it Dean's like actually drunk like it does sound like it's a real Nightmare of a show like I imagine in a living room size place in a huge theater Down and down and down to where now oh yeah. It's in the back area of like a club or whatever. Yeah. I'll bet that's also the Frank guy making a choice like I like to the Frank character like he if he's actually there like he's his thing was never like gratitude like you know like be like connected with like that he was like loving every all the

shit that was going on it seemed like he was just a guy that was like naturally talented but just like open his mouth and do the thing but like even in his eyes like he'd be like you know he's playing the character of Frank even better he's like it's kind of meta almost what he's doing right and he's reading these comments and being like okay well what do you want Do you want me to fucking like want me to be super big happy smile like I'm like giggling like what the fucking Frank Sinatra I being Frank Sinatra that's the idea of the show Okay, and our final review is a five-star like the stuff that that I'm Sammy stuff like the stuff that that guy

Playing with your penis up there Sammy, but yeah this I mean yeah, it sounds to me like this guy is having a terrible Time he's like he's wanted to work so badly and it was like it's just falling Meteoric fall, you know, it's just like last week. He was in a 300 cedar, you know like It's just like last week he was in a 300 ziner, you know, like And he blames Sammy a hundred percent like he's talking to his friends. He's like we got to find another The fucking tech guys. He's like, can we get him a fucking lav mic or something or something like that? You know, let's figure this out forum fellas Yeah, I'll give you a five-star review here and then we'll get out of here. Oh my god Great show very entertaining and funny I brought my husband to Vegas for his birthday his first time and we happen to share a Rat Pack passion So I could not pass this opportunity up and it was a hit it felt like we're in the Rat Pack area

I was singing every song we are in our 30s. The crowd was definitely much older than us. I'm sure they were confused He goes, I'm sure they were confused thinking why are these kids here? So that's their whole thing. They like they feel that way like they're like, oh my god, everybody's like wow What are you guys doing here? Nobody's fucking cares. They're all focused on fucking Sammy thrusting his fucking big microphone They're confused and mad but not not because of not they're not focusing on you at all But yeah, these guys go everywhere and they're just like we've we've dealt like the metal guys or whatever, you know They're just like oh my god people are probably like they can't even to handle this music that I'm listening to. Nobody's thinking of us. Yeah so that was the last one. Very fun. Hayes thank you for doing the show with us. It was

so fun. Do you have anything to promote? To promote. You got I mean you act like you're this like, you know, sloppy operation. We are. You know, just like, no, no, you're not. You're recording episodes two months ahead. That's a terrible idea. Like what do you mean? I mean that's not organized. That's preparation.

Yeah. Yes it is. Yeah. We do have our runs though. It's like having your shit together. This is fake. Your shit is fake. No., we do like it's like having your shit together. This is fake your shit No, yeah, we do in November. We made the decision. We made a decision October I

Hard you Brian Brian. I do not have our shit together. That is a promise We are we are absolutely floundering and I promise everybody that that's the case Our shit is like like Kevin up until like 2.30 a.m. to like get the thing off that we recorded like five hours earlier. Yeah, I mean sometimes that happens. That's happened before, but we are pretty organized. Brian is pretty good about scheduling and things like that.

I will, I do want to apologize one more time to you, Hayes, about where, that's just really embarrassing about the merch because I didn't even realize, it's a sort ofes about where that's is really embarrassing about the merch Because I didn't even real it's a it's a sort of a it's a limited edition one as well So it's kind of like yeah, it's only a reaction that's street where it would be totally normal You would have got off the call and been like holy shit he was wearing the shirt He didn't even mention not would know I would have been like that's normal now I'm gonna be having my own First first he followed me into biscuit bitch in Seattle. That's right. And now he's wearing Quite a history now

We sure do of Chris stalking head I have and I still and I still have not yet met Sean and that is sort of suspicious about how he feels about me or whatever but who knows you know that's right he wasn't on that he was not that's right well he's got his own thing going yeah listen to our show Hollywood Handbook sign up for our patreon there's enough for everyone yeah you know this idea that there's some limited pool of patreons that people can sign up for. You got to get out of that. Yeah. Yeah. Mo. Yes. I have abundance mindset. Yeah. You can sign up. Yeah. You all have money. The subscribe button you click. Yes. And maybe not for area, but like the cool, you know,

like our, our little community that we have here. I think a lot of people probably are signed up for the patreon I think we do have probably a lot of people who know but yeah, you I mean honestly you guys Hey, Hollywood handbook here The other podcasts that are on the patreon and on the they're all great And if you haven't somehow do the flagrant ones we do a basketball show on there Carl tarts doing all kinds of shit Carl tarts the best and we should yeah We call tart is the best and but yeah, honestly. I don't think that Hayes. I think you're the best okay See I'm like I'm kind of the protagonist till we I'm the Frank. I'm the Frank

Let's just say it like it's me and Brian is the Sammy Davis jr.. And I'm obviously the Dino I like it's me. And Brian is the Sammy Davis Jr. and I'm obviously the Dino. I do stick of our of our little rest. That's right. I do the thing where I put my two fingers up and I do the tongue. That's pretty class. I'll say Brian pulled a Frank move on you Chris that you might not even know about which is I had texted to ask if I could record this episode an hour later Brian immediately You know Brian's jacked into the mainframe. He's immediately texting me right back that works that works for me Somebody okay great, and he said I'll tell Chris Well, that's cuz Chris is the easiest person in the world the schedule way like nobody's easier is the easiest person in the world to schedule with. Like nobody's easier than Chris.

That's why we have fun. That's why we're ahead is because I can just be like, tomorrow at noon, Thursday at five, you know what I mean? I'm sure they said that about, you know, like Joey Bishop too. Oh, Joey's like so easy. No, Chris is Peter Lawford, I'm Frank Sinatra. And by the way, yeah, it was not a problem

doing it one hour later. We have a large pen that my baby is just sort of roaming in now. So he'll be fine. All right, we'll see y'all next week. Goodbye.