Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 107 - Smart Guys with Nick Wiger

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

This week on guys we needed a smart person to help us morons understand what all of the Mensa geeks and high IQ individuals are talking about so we had the smartest podcaster we know on the show, Nick Wiger from the Doughboys! We talked about what it must be like for a high Iq person to date a person of above average intelligence. Would you tell someone if you were in Mensa? Then we look at some jokes that only high IQ people would get! Toronto Live shows both sold out! Join the waitlist here in case tickets become available: https://link.dice.fm/I3ec77b3c164  There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST and I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Hi, welcome to guys a podcast about guys. I am Brian and my co-host, the third smartest person host on this show. Chris James, me, me. Yeah. Kweber, Chris James, Kweber's ahead of me. Yeah. But all jokes aside, in all seriousness, gosh, I'm a little nervous on this one. Uh, I'm going to find myself in the crosshairs. I would imagine on this one. How are you gonna find myself in the crosshairs, I would imagine, on this particular episode? Shut up.

And our guest, a returning guest from a very long time ago, and a cool dude with a tough haircut, and definitely like, I think, when I decided to do this episode, Smart Guys, I was like, well, who's the smartest podcaster I know? And I sent Nick Weiger a message message and he was happy to do it. Hey buddy, thanks for having me. Yeah, maybe damning with faint praise,

the smartest podcaster, but I'll take it. It's a, yeah, I felt, it's one of those things when you send me the invite is like, I think I get why you're inviting me to do smart guys. Cause I do fancy myself something of a smart guy, but also I'm kind of like an internet smart guy. And then I'm not actually that smart. I just have accumulated enough like facts that I can kind of pedantically correct people

or, you know, kind of bloviate about topics in the same way I'm kind of doing now. You know, I, I like, I'm, I'm pretty good at like bullshitting and I have a decent size vocabulary. And that's what I think you need to be like an internet smart guy. You fooled me I'm I think I believe you're like to me. You're a smart guy for sure. Wow. Yeah. Yeah most Number one thing about Nick that is smart is he somehow stopped using his phone basically, which is like that's what Only a smart guy would be able to figure out how to not be on their phone all day. My dumb ass, my dumb ass is I can't take I'm running into

fucking telephone poles because I can't get my head up from that day. You know, yeah, I mean, I did it a few because I was horribly addicted to my phone into social media and I kind of went cold Turkey off of social media and my phone I'm not great with but I'm way better than I used to be like I'm not buried in it anymore. And that I mean, I don't know, it's it's the smart guy will get into it. But it's like, there's

something again, if I was actually smart, I know whatever the logical fallacy was that was this phenomenon. But like I feel like there's something of like, by posting you as a smart guy, you are identifying yourself as not a smart guy. You know what I mean? It's like, because if you were really smart, you wouldn't bother posting. What do you have to prove? You'd be doing more important things or something maybe?

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. There are smart guys. We don't even know about them because we're not even smart enough to even understand what they're up to. I know that I had a friend that I used to know who was very, very smart and a brilliant guy with PhDs. And it seemed to me like he was on a different, sometimes it seemed like it was hard for him to communicate.

He seemed a little bit weird in a way because he was seemingly so much smarter than we were and had so much more of an understanding of what was going on. But he didn't, he wasn't like arrogant about, he was still wonderful to hang out with. And I think that's a big thing that is a difficult thing for smart guys.

Right, we're gonna learn a little bit about what smart guys think of themselves. I do wanna bring up that one of my favorite things that we're not gonna look at because I couldn't really cut it out, but it was so funny to me. Did you guys know the Facebook page of God? Remember the tweet of God?

Oh yeah. I remember a tweet of God. I do remember that. Yeah, that was a huge fan. That was one of, yeah, that was a huge impactful account for me. And that's one of those things where that guy is like an actual, like he was like a sitcom writer, right? I forget what he, what he, what he like created. He like, it's not, but maybe it was Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. He like created some big sitcom and then became

the tweet of God guy as it is like a second act. He goes. Yeah, he was. He was the God. He was. He was the God to me. He was a God to me. So I'll read you. I only have one comment on this, but he posted five days ago. Why does it seem like high IQ people are often sad and depressed? And this is on Facebook, by the way.

I don't think I listen. I'm not trying to be mean or anything I don't think there's any high IQ people on Facebook of any website like that would be the one I'd be like There's no way somebody smarts on there but there's a lot of people who want to fancy themselves smart and Will respond to things like that and I mean that one's great It's just I have only one response Chris and it's it's this person and most of them were like it's because we see the world More clearly. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's just a wait. That's not a real genuine question. That's being asked

That's just a way for like fake smart people to sort of you know pat themselves on the back and say like yeah I mean, it's cuz we just we fucking see what it really is. That's why, you know? Right. Yeah. I loved it, though. I loved reading those. But I went to Quora, and they asked, how can one tell if they have a high IQ? What are some signs that we might be intelligent

but don't realize it? Now, number one, one thing that means you have a high IQ is that you say, how can one? That's how you would ask the question. Oh, right. Yes. Intelligent way to say it. is that you say, how can one? That's how you would ask the question. Oh, right. Yes. Intelligent way to say it.

Sigma Man responded to let us know, one cannot tell the IQ by feeling, this is how they all talk, by the way. Just get used to this. They all talk very strangely. Yeah, you don't say you, you say one. Yeah, okay. And they're long-winded.

I'm writing this down, I'm writing this down. Yeah. One cannot tell their IQ by feeling as there is nothing but one self for comparison. I learned the facts only after using Quora, which I don't think he's. Sorry, Sigma, man. Signs, signs, insatiable curiosity. You want to know a huge number of things. I was interested in insects bees flies beetles flutter buys moths and most any most anything else which happened by lizards frogs and such flocks and keys electricity likely more. I

loved cartoons beanie and Cecil rocky Rocky and Bullwinkle, Warner Brothers and others, which had language jokes in them. BNCs, no bikini at all. I don't know what BNC is. BNC Cecil's no bikini at all comes to mind. Eventually after a bit of a push, I began teaching myself electronics up through television engineering. This took years. Strangely, many high IQ people do poorly in school. I've talked about this so much lately, but I did have this guy, Jared, that I hung out with that dropped out of school in 10th grade. And we all thought he was the genius of the group and was like, man, if he'd have stayed in school, he'd be one.

He's just too smart for school. But he wasn't. He just sat around and smoked weed all day and watched TV. He was too late, too lazy to do school. So you guys thought it was like to he was like on a higher plane. Yes, we did. And he was not. Again, I've mentioned him a few times lately. He's the guy we used to sit on his bed and smoke out of a bong made out of a Goldschlager bottle and watch wrestling

If you're lucky, but if he had a falling out with them, then he would not get Invited to the bed Many times. Yeah, you had a lot of fights with them for so I didn't it wasn't just me The only person that didn't have a falling out with him was Nate Hmm, I believe that because Nate was like a kind of he was the cool guy. Yeah, he was one under me. You kind of you you end up with those high I get I go you're saying you have like in your group of friends and you're like click in high school you kind of have the hierarchy of like

who's the funny guy who's the smart guy like like who's the cool guy I definitely was not like, not like any of those in my group of friends, you know what I mean? Like, but I was just kind of like in the, like just sitting in the middle, like Mario and Mario Kart. I love the, I love that post because like so much of it is like, oh yeah, I watch cartoons with sophisticated jokes. It's like he's saying what got me,

what made me realize I had a high IQ was not like reading Dostoevsky. It was like, oh, I got an Instagram ad for a game that said most people can't complete this. And it was like connecting three lines in a circle. And I was able to figure it out. So I know I have a high IQ. I'll say, 10 of them are animals, by the way.

10 of the things he was interested in On the animals What it but it always I mentioned this fairly recently I don't remember on what if it was a bonus episode But it reminds me of the Peggy Hill that episode of King of the Hill where they're like that's men call Mensa it was the Mensa thing and it was a scam You know on these people and it does feel like some of this has that sort of vibe to it, you know?

Those like. Well, let's take a look at r slash Mensa for some really good questions. Now, these guys are really smart. You guys are gonna be really freaked out by how smart these guys are. What was it like dating someone, one to two standard deviations lower than you?

Oh boy. Okay. I did not know about standard deviations. So I don't know how to quantify that I guess. So I can't really, I think probably I dated people who are- Well it's just somebody with less IQ, right? Somebody that has a lower IQ than you do. I don't know that I've dated someone who has a lower IQ than me to be honest. I believe that. No, I'm serious? I don't know that I've dated someone who has a lower IQ than me, to be honest. I believe that. Hoo! No, I'm serious. I'm not saying I've only dated. Hoo!

I got his ass, aw man. He's, right now he's looking at, Oh, right on time, man. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Brian's sending me a sheepish.

There's five pages on this thing. That's such a problem. Brian's sending me a, Yeah, I think you can blame Delgado for that one a message like later this evening like hey, man You think you could just edit out that little part to make it sound like I really got you harder What the title says what are some experiences or patterns you've encountered trying to date average or above average types I've tried and been trying to date people just people I encountered organically as much as you can now without judging them as much for their character stats. But there's definitely been some snags. How has it been for you all? So we're going to learn.

God, I can't imagine dating someone with merely an above average intellect. I mean, come on. That's that's a genius to be my partner. It seems like you could probably figure it out with someone with an above average. I can understand if you were like an intellectual and it was like important to you to discuss these things. I guess I'm thinking about it now though. If you were like a real like intellectual,

you may need to be in a relationship with another, depending on the type of personality that you have. I could see that if you want it like. Because then what are you going to talk to them about if you're only interested in like that wild, you know? Yeah, you need mutual interest. I get that, but I just I can't imagine like it feels so condescending to think about like I'm judging my partner's IQ. You know, oh, know, that's evil. I think that's rude is a better word.

Evil is for Airbnb owners. This is rude. This guy goes dating someone one to two standard deviations lower can generally be fine as long as communication has worked out. However, from my experience dating an average person three to four standard deviations below, can lead to very frustrating experience.

The issue lies in differences in innate logic, which shapes one's critical thinking, reasoning ability, and fluid reasoning, creating significant gaps in comprehension. The average person tends to be highly susceptible to group think, which is exactly why influencers in social media dominate our society. Like this is the dumb smart guy thing to say.

He managed to like take the thing and turn it into the other argument, you know? Like he's just sort of, that's kind of cool how he did that. There's definitely, I will say like a smart guy thing that I think I've grown out of. But as a kid or when I was younger, even in my 20s, if I was losing an argument badly, the way I could rationalize it to myself

and make myself feel better is, well, they're just not as smart as me. So they don't understand. So I think there's maybe some of that. I hit a period where I did OK. I did pretty good in college. But I was also 36 when I went. But I hit a point where I had been working at this cable

company, and I wanted everybody to think I was smarter than them. Like I was too smart for the job. Right. You know what I mean? That's what I was walking around doing. Like looking at your textbooks and stuff. Like even just watching middle brow movies thinking that I'm watching like High-art cinema, you know what? I mean like oh I went and saw kill bill when it came out in the theater I bet none of you did that

Even if you're not really understanding even like some of that, you know, like you can just still enjoy it. Just for so much. I had to tell myself that I was too good for that job and too smart for those people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So music, I would just tell them,

like I like pretty regular music. I would try to pick bands that they've never heard of when we would talk about it. So I was just always trying to point out how much smarter I was than all of them. And it just made me them not like me. This person goes this lack of critical thinking and ability to effectively reason coupled with a need for conformity and chasing validation from societal norms, often leads to superficial and materialistic goals. It becomes hard to align with another who can easily reason and see through the facade.

Yeah, these guys love saying critical thinking like you don't have critical thinking skills. And I feel like the new thing I hear more and more this kind of like, you know, replacing critical thinking or at least, you know, becoming a plus one to critical thinking is media kind of like, you know, replacing critical thinking or at least, you know, becoming a plus one to critical thinking is media literacy. Like, oh, you lack media literacy. Yeah. Everybody believes something. That's something that I I've had to come to grips with is like, we all believe somebody like we all there's somebody we all believe is telling the truth. Now. I don't read the news anymore because it's scary. So I don't, I don't actually follow any of that stuff, but I do think like, like I still follow people that give the news that I want to hear.

So like that's, I think everybody's doing that. Even these Mensa people they're in this Mensa subreddit. There's a mental form that I couldn't get to because I'd have to take an IQ test and pay $107 a year. I'm not taking an IQ test. I refuse to do. He's like, I'll pay the $107 a year. That's for sure. But I would to get my hands on that forum. I would love to pay it. But I looked at some IQ questions. I could never. I took the GRE. What do you mean? Like you didn't know the answers to them?

No, at all. You wouldn't either. Nobody would know these. Well, is that how it is? How does an IQ test? It's it's asking you questions like that where it's just you get them right or wrong. How does it how does it work? Exactly. I've never taken one before. It's like they'll give you like six shapes with different shadings. I'm like, what's the next shape?

And I'm at that mall and I was like, I don't I don't know what any of these shapes. I'm sure there are all sorts of studies that have shown that like IQ is not actually a measure of functional intelligence or, you know, ability to retain knowledge or whatever. But like it's, it's, my memory of it is, yeah, it was actually Brian, the thing I remember, what got excited, I can I can test was very young, I was like five or six. And the one question I remember was like a bunch of cubes. And I was supposed to

count the number of cubes, based off of it was like a pyramid. And so I was supposed to infer how many cubes were on the other side of it and calculate a total. Yeah, okay, so, but my question I guess would be then, because I remember that, so would I be taking the same test as five-year-old Weiger? Because I don't know, yeah.

I would kill you, I would be so much better, no offense, but I would be smarter than five-year-old Wiger So is it like are they questions that somehow are? applicable and not easier for People who have been on the earth for 40 years like it just seems though like that would be an impossible question Would you have to be 14 to get in a Mensa? So that is like so they're not gonna let a five-year-old in the Mensa I do think that imagine if they did though how smart that kid would have to be I'd love to watch a movie about

Like don't make a movie where there's a five-year-old in Mensa and then the sequel can be a dog gets into Mensa Oh, yeah, this goddamn dog is genius. This person goes. This is a great explanation in high school I dated someone who was a year older than me, but three standard deviations below me and IQ very quickly. It felt like I was in a parent child relationship was a, which was a major turnoff. My current wife is within one standard deviation can easily engage in high level discourse on many topics. She also often defeats me in abstract games, which I find to be very stimulating. Oh, gosh. These guys are such nerds. I can't believe how big a nerds. Would you like to go to the bet you've defeated me in a game of logic?

Would you like to go to the bedroom? Wow. I mean, there's something kind of sweet about the last little part about him like getting kind of turned on and impressed by her intelligence, sapiosexual or whatever, right? Isn't that like those types of things? Brian hates that so much. But he's also saying she's a standard deviation dumber than he is. Oh yeah, of course. So there's an element of like that my dullard of a wife is able to best be in a contest of wits on occasion.

You know, it's like. It's not entirely a positive thing and I do think he's a terrible smart guy, but it was, I did feel like a niceness for him in that moment where he was like, oh man, and he was like so happy in that moment. But yeah, I mean, you should not, I have never considered like not. I have never considered

like how smart I have in comparison to Ariel. No, that has never been a thing. And I don't think it should be a thing that you ever think of. You know, and I would wonder for these guys is like, how often do you bring up? Like, have you ever talked to him about standard deviations before? And is that maybe where? Things started to go south perhaps I mean there are things there are numerical like does does this this guy know his partner's IQ

I think that's what I want to well or is or is he just kind of guesstimating based on their you know ability to converse That's a good point. I didn't even think of that yet They probably he's saying it like they know the numbers right right I didn't even think of that yet. They probably he's saying it like they know the numbers, right? Right. How do you think he acts when he loses those abstract games that he finds that he did what I did when I lost the Escape room right like we me and my family and my wife and my brother and sister and our kids all went to an escape room Like not kids. They're 20 years old, so I shouldn't call them kids, but so they were able to help and we probably got about 60% done.

And then the last five minutes I just stopped and said, this thing doesn't even fucking mean anything. It doesn't mean you're smart. If you finish a fucking escape room, what the fuck? This is just a stupid game. I got so mad at it before I left that I was like escape rooms are fucking stupid. And now I am like known as the biggest sore loser of escape

room with all my friends are like he just gave up and started complaining immediately and said he'll never do it again. That was how this guy. It was like a saloon. Okay. And there were all these. I don't know. What was the escape room? It was like a saloon. And there were all these, I don't know, there was a bunch of crap sitting around and you had to move it around and unlock locks. And there was one skill thing that I did and got it.

And now I'm being told it's because I wouldn't let anybody else try. But that's not true. I definitely probably let other people try and I really easy. So it's like a really easy thing to do. That was sort of anyone could do. And then you ran in front of everyone and crowd to hold the pit. So no one else could do it. Is that I didn't know anybody else wanted to do it in the end. But yeah, I just know that this guy loses these abstract games and says, this one's bullshit.

This isn't even like a real game for smart people. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if he says that out loud, though. And I wonder how he reacts in the moment. And then, yeah, maybe he's doing that. And then he's coming back afterwards and saying, I actually loved it. It was actually great when it happened, just lying himself. You know this person this last person says I have an ex that must for sure have been below average

At one point I asked her a hundred and fifty divided by three and she couldn't answer because the question got her stressed There was definitely a lack of connection Fucking I Can't even imagine doing this to like somebody I'm dating at all. Or my wife just being like, oh she's so fucking stupid. Why are you asking her that question? Because you know the answer. So you're only asking her to test. It's not like you need her to give you that information.

So you're testing her to see if she knows it? Yes, here's an interesting smart guy thing, Chris and Nick. Who knows about your membership? This was the most interesting thing to me, one of them. New member here, I recently took him past the Mensa qualifying test. At first I didn't share this with anyone, not even my immediate family.

I was simply curious about the test in the organization. However, I eventually had to tell my family because I needed to explain why I was going to the airport. I got a neat flight deal, which so happened to be near the testing center. Besides my this Mensa is such a good scam. People are flying to a place to pay them to take a test that then there it's like military recruiting in a way. I always said this about military recruiting. They get you in a room. They have you take a test or something like that. And then like you've tested off the charts. You're you are honestly would be great for the army because you're just so intelligent and strong and you should definitely join the army. That's the same thing with meds says like they just take the test. They're like, who you are smart. But anyway,

he goes, they were sorry. Sorry. And then I know they never at y'all's like, like, you know, local malls, did they ever have the scam? Because they used that used to happen out here a lot, you know, in Southern California of it's so like they would just approach It's like so fucking awful, but they like approach teenage girls and be like, hey, you have a great look. You could be a model. You should take modeling school and like try to get them into modeling classes.

And like, you know, girls of that age insecure about their looks being like, oh, someone says I could be a professional model. Let me get my parents to pay hundreds of dollars for modeling classes and photos and shit. It's just like, it's the same sort of thing with Mensa. Yeah. I would love to know more. I the same sort of thing with Mensa. Yeah. I would love to know more.

I don't know that much about Mensa as far as like- Or learn. Okay, good. Cause I want to know like, what do they do? Like, you know what I mean? Like what do you do? It seems to me like it's more of a thing where it's a, it's good to have the title or whatever.

It's like a, it's like a Duke or whatever. That's what I feel like- It's like a Toastmaster. Yeah, it's like a grand champion Toastmaster. It's just only good. It's like a Duke or whatever. That's what I feel like a Toastmaster. It's only good It's just only good to tell people that thing like I don't know what you're actually doing It's just sort of a signifier that you're smarter than everyone. That's the kind of idea behind it. Well, I think it's again Your your resume is so important for a lot of like really corporate people that like People that are never gonna really move up the ladder in any meaningful way. Like they might get to like manager, but they're never getting to like regional manager or whatever or like CEO or any of that stuff.

I think they are getting the regional that I hey, that's where I was in that boat. That's where I was in that boat. But I actually got I was a lead, which is a low level position at the cable company, but it's higher than the regular people. Yeah, one level, you know. Yeah, I've been a warehouse lead before. I know it's like just below supervisor, the warehouse lead. It was just above, you know, forklift drive. No pay, though. No, no, no increase in pay.

I believe that the warehouse was like a $2 an hour or something. So it had a bit of an increase, but yeah, really me and this guy, Sam, we were the two guys and it was Rick, you know, it felt pretty good at the time. I'm not going to lie. I got demoted back to regular. That hurts. That was tough. I've that's happened to me twice in my life. When I worked at Kroger, I got demoted too, cause they couldn't trust me. They had this thing called perimeter where you walked around the perimeter of a store and you straightened up the shelves on the end of the lines and they would have me do it, but I'd just be fucking around playing

with the pallet jack and throwing eggs out the back door and stuff like that. They were like, well, you're going to go back to cashier. We have to keep an eye on you. They have to keep you in a space where you're not allowed to leave. Yeah, that's actually kind of nice from them because it's like, you're clearly not really, you shouldn't even have a job there. And so they were nice enough to be like, hey, let's put you in a position where you can't throw eggs out the back door.

Hucking inventory into the parking lot. The the I when I I worked in a bookstore. And for me, I remember the the straightening shelves thing, the task you're describing. That was like if you got time to lean, you got time to clean. I was like, we have the idle time. We're supposed to go around and be straightening all the shelves. Yes, I actually didn't didn't mind that too much. Because it was just kind of like, as kind of brainless. And I

got to like actually walk move around a little bit. But um, yeah, I mean, it's so that was your primary responsibility was Yeah, okay. They also had to put a note on my cashier thing that said, don't let Brian do the sweeping around the store with the broom because I would just disappear and just be gone. You know what I mean? Standing out back smoking. Were you on? Were you doing? Were you doing pills? Yeah, I was just fucking getting high. I just need to like for the context of it. I'm not trying to shame you about it, but in the context

of it, it makes a lot of sense. It makes more sense that you're doing a lot of pills. This is sort of behavior of someone who's doing drugs as well. You know what I mean? No, I'm just not, I'm not easy. I don't think I'm an easy employee to have. You know what I mean? No, definitely not.

I mean, definitely. Fucking zooted, softball tossing, fucking eggs. Yeah, you're out of, you're like in your other jobs, you're like driving on top of cars into ditches with the car. You recommend a guy who ends up getting fired for jacking off at his desk. You're actually maybe the worst,

consistently worst employee that I've ever heard. And by the way, still to this day, I'm gonna say it, I didn't jack off at my desk. I know, I know, Brian, I know, Brian. That was him. No, I know. That's all on him. That's personal responsibility, American style. Besides my family, no one else knows

about my Mensa membership. I'm hesitant to tell my friends because I'm unsure how they might react to the news. Who knows about your membership and what prompted you to share it with them? That's a good question. I am interested in this. This is a good question. I didn't realize it was like a secret society thing.

I thought Mensa was more of like a thing you brag about. Yeah, we're just going to all I'm in Mensa. So, you know, it's maybe turned a bit of a corner where it used to be a thing where you would do that, but there's like a little bit of mockery to it now. You know what I mean? Sure. Popular culture and stuff where I think that not everyone reacts like they used to Like I mean of the guys we've ever covered that are kind of like this. Yeah, I Think I'd rather tell people I was a Toastmaster

Than in Mensa to tell you the truth Percent yeah, yeah, you would get better treatment that way well And you can also rationalize the Toastmaster thing of just like I used to have you know Anxiety about speaking in front of people or whatever. If you're in Mensa, you're just trying to prove to people that you're a God genius, you know? Totally, totally. I told my wife, I was proud to have scored 154 IQ and I regret telling her now every time I make a mistake, she, and then he puts in parentheses what she considers a mistake and he goes This guy's good. Oh, there's my men to genius Pants pulled down his

Pants pulled down his own It doesn't really bother bother me that much oh, there's no way that could not bother that Everybody no matter what live it he's posting about it. He's so mad. I would yeah Yeah, I would I I think it's so funny I tell everybody cuz Mensa is a big part of my life Mensa is a wonderful organization that supports a subset of the population I mean just guys that What cuz I want to go to a conference now After reading about this stuff. I want to go to a Mensa conference. I don't think I can't take you kidding

I don't want to kill me. I can't pass them fucking You're not gonna pass the sniff test brother, I mean they're just gonna take one look at you It's the same thing with hedonism too, I just want to see what's going on he did some sure you could get into definitely They would know they tell me I'm too smart Too smart for fucking hedonism, too dumb for Mensa. What the hell is this guy supposed to do? They don't lie. It's like being a cop.

They don't, they don't lie in if you're too smart. This guy goes- Was he saying like, cause he, cause he seemed to be, and maybe I misheard it, but he seemed to be implying that like Mensa does something for the community. Does he just mean like we, we prop them up because we are, you know, a part of society or is there actually some like charitable stuff? Like does Mensa like do tutoring for, you know, underprivileged kids or something or what?

That's what I want to know. It's for the genius community. It's literally, I'm serious about that. I looked it all up. It's for the genius community. So they're basically like by existing, we are propping up society because we have we're contributing our intellect, reminding people, reminding people. Because sometimes I don't know about you, Nick, but I'll turn on the news sometimes and I'll see some of the stupid stuff happening. God damn with the people in Washington or whatever.

And it's nice to just think in the back of my mind, oh, there's just still a group of smart people out there named Menta. It just makes you feel a little more calm, you know? Yeah, that is part of their mission. If it ever really goes down, like it hasn't gotten to a point yet where they've had to step in, but if it really gets to a point

where it's like end of the world type stuff, then they'll do it, you know? There's a, you know, and actually there's an there's an Apple TV adaptation that I haven't seen, but I do like the books. But Isaac Asimov's Foundation series is like kind of that. It's kind of like, oh, there's the, you know, everything is collapsing. And our last our last chance for survival is trusting like the smartest, you know, the most intellectual segment of society

and to kind of like create the template to rebuild. I think there probably is a little bit of that fantasy among the Mensa that it's just kind of like, hey, if we took over, actually, if Congress was made up of, you know, the Mensa contingent, we'd figure out all the society's problems. Does it work in the show? And that Americans are too smart? up of, of, you know, the Mensa contingent, we'd figure out all the society's problems. Doesn't work.

Americans are too. Um, it's, it's, it's a, I mean, it's, it's more complicated. It's a little, it's a little bit more complicated than that. But it's like, I know the, the in the Simpsons, there's a Simpsons episode that is a thing of like the Mensa takes over. And that one is like, I think like a true characterization of what would happen is just these people are just like completely tone deaf and don't understand how to actually relate

to human beings, you know? Yeah. I'm looking at their constitution right now. That's a disciplinary action part of it, which seems cool. I'm gonna read this one more thing because they do have a mission and the mission is for geniuses to feel included and like a group or something silly.

This guy goes, I'm not holding back posted on Twitter and got the usual. Yeah. But IQ is not intelligence and you're not better than me. Cope response. And I don't give a shit. I pin the post. I don't know about that. I'm super pissed tired of this being such a stigma while the neighbor's dog has the pronouns it Z and identify as proudly as a platypus. Am I a better human because of it? No.

Is it part of who I am? Hell, yes. Own it. Yeah, that's cool. Well, I know for a fact, if I see somebody, if I come up on someone's Twitter account and they have a pinned post of their IQ, well I know that's a cool guy.

That's somebody that I'm probably gonna wanna work with in some way or something, yeah. Here's a really good person, you guys are gonna love this pink monorail here. Mensa invited me to join when I was a small child of my mom said no She was upset that my less intelligent sister her favorite was not considered smart enough Holy fuck she turned down men said that's fuck cuz you only get like the fact Mensa might come with a contract like in five years Or whatever, but you might miss out for good. I

Don't think that they invite people either, to tell you the truth. No, no, no. I think that you take a test and you get in Mensa. Yes, yeah. My friends had really odd reactions. Can't say any of them were positive, but if they had told me that they gained membership,

I would have been very positive. I think envy is the driving force behind all low IQ. For me, I post that on Facebook and LinkedIn. Not only do I not care about the negative energy others give me, but now I see clearly how society is negatively impacted by allowing the lower end of the curve to dominate social rules. Time to change that. So that's what you were just talking about, Nick.

Yeah, right. Yeah, no, it's kind of like if we were in charge, we'd know how to administrate society. And it's this really elitist attitude that I think you get from just surrounding yourself with fellow smart guys. And that's probably why it's such a toxic group. It's like you start to think, hey, we are actually

superior to other human beings. But just by virtue of being in Mensa, by virtue of having a higher IQ, you know, which was, which may be largely conferred to us because of genetics, not something that we actually have any sort of control over, it can claim credit for. Just by virtue of being born naturally more intelligent, we deserve to have a higher status than everyone else.

I will say this last person, I think you guys are going to really like, wife only. She has three degrees and is smart and strong headed. A bit too domineering about how we should run our household. So I rejoined Mensa and let Mensa stuff show up in the mail as a humble brag. It was part of a larger effort to stabilize my household. That's the most passive aggressive thing I've ever heard. Yeah, Jesus Christ.

I mean, that is like, it sounds like you've got real issues in your marriage or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, why don't you just... That's a rough one. That's I mean, and it's also like just the level of insecurity, because I will say that that, you know, my wife is, you know, she works for a university. She works in neuroscience. She has two degrees. She's like she's like very smart. I would I would say like she's more intelligent. How many what's the how many standard deviations would you say?

I'd say I'm I'm at least one standard deviation. The lower than her. I might be two or three, honestly. You know, I don't know what's what's telling me. It'd be interesting to ask her how many standard deviations. I mean, because I don't even know that you could even wrap your head around how many, you know. I probably couldn't. I'd hear her start talking about standard deviation.

That's like, oh, what? I mean, Nick, you would kill her in trivia. So it doesn't, that's how I- That's true, that's what, oh, what? You know, Nick, Nick, you would kill her in trivia. So it doesn't, that's how I- That's true, that's what really matters. That's what- No, I actually, do you find yourself, cause this is a thing I find myself is sometimes people are like,

oh, hey, Weiger's a smart guy. Hey, I bet he'd be good at trivia. I'm actually not good at trivia because it's like a specific sort of thing that I think you have kind of have to practice, you know? Like I think you have to like accumulate the right kinds of facts and know how to a big part of trivia in my experience is like answering quickly. And I'm just like, my brain just

doesn't recall information that rapidly. So yeah, I'm like not great at trivia. But I'm not myself at the higher level of trivia. We have no way to verify how good I've won several times. Yeah, we have no way to verify how good he is at trivia. I've won several times. Nick, we cut you off there, and I apologize. That's something we rarely do on the pod. But what were you saying about your wife before I asked about the standard deviations?

Oh, no, I just can't imagine trying to... It's like what you're saying. It's such a passive aggressive way to have a relationship to be like, hey, I'm gonna I'm insecure about my my spouse being smarter than me. So I'm gonna try to find some way to prove it. I'm just gonna like kind of leave, you know, I'll get a physics textbook and just sort of like leave it in the bathroom

like I'm reading it. You know what I mean? It's just like, I don't know, why don't you just talk to your partner? And it's so fucking weird. It's like a caddy shack when Chevy Chase is leaving uncast checks laying around the house when he has a date.

Right. That's like what everybody's I went to Amazon and there's a book that I read some reviews of and it's it's just guys, guys, so fucking dummy doesn't read the book. He just reads reviews of that's right. Why would I read the book? I'm reading comic books right now.

This is us. We're like, yeah, let's read some reviews of a book. This is from IQ Street, and it's the ultimate activity book for intelligent men. Oh. It's got Einstein, an AI version of Einstein on the cover. That's smart and brilliant to not pay for the likeness or whatever. See, that's your first smart move right there. It's $13.40. I could get it delivered tomorrow. pay for the likeness or whatever. Just see, that's your first move right there.

It's thirteen dollars and forty cents. I could get it delivered tomorrow. Anyone could do me. This guy gives it two stars. It goes the ultimate book of typo that even teenage girls can do. This is an activity book with some puzzles that my 13 year old daughter can manage. It contains only about six times. This guy not only hates women. He loathes his own child It sounds like a child stupid I don't know that it sounds like she's a fucking moron Idiotic 13 year old can do this. Yeah, I hate her. I mean you can love your dog doesn't mean your dog smart

I mean you can love your dog doesn't mean a dog smart The guy loves his dog loves his daughter like a dog I mean that is such a like fucking 13 year old daughter can figure this shit 13 is an age where that doesn't work as well because they're starting to get a little smarter at 13 You know, if you decide my six-year-old daughter can do this. I'm like, this is a book for idiots Yeah, totally. A 13-year-old, there's some very, very smart teenagers for sure, like geniuses, you know, where we could potentially be mental level, even. It contains only about six kinds of puzzles on repeat, but worst of all, of the four puzzles

I tried, three contained typos. The first completely stumped me as to the word to find was as to what the he actually wrote RORD So it's funny that he also Did a typo while he's complaining about typos. It might be a sort of a meta He might be doing sort of do I think so? he goes The first completely oh, so he goes Infant terribly. Yeah, yet the answer showed oh, so he goes, infant terrible, yeah.

Yet the answer showed the word in the grid as infant terrible? A shocking waste of my last few strands of hair. Another confused Elias and Ellis. On top of that are many standard typos and spelling mistakes. So I've given up. So this guy, I have no idea what he's talking about. I will say, in this reviewer's defense,

if the cover's AI and the book is riddled with typos, it's possible the whole thing is just AI garbage, you know? I think your genius ass has just bought an AI fucking book. I mean, what kind of idiot? I just wanna say, what kind of idiot? $13 AI book from Neurons What kind of fucking moron could get fooled by AI and purchase something, Brian? Oh, I don't know any, that's a whole different thing Brian, of course, Nick, you know this, right? That Brian listened to an AI song on and then ordered Yeah, and bought the t-shirt, right?

Bought the t-shirt for him, which is one of my favorite things about them that I've ever heard because I don't know anybody Who could get fooled by those AI songs let alone to get so excited I played the song and you said you get why I got confused I think I was trying to be nice at the time. Don't be don't be totally misrepresented Can't think of what the other reviews are seeing this is sold as an especially challenging puzzle book allegedly aimed at intelligent men demanding extra challenges that being said i'm really not sure how simple maze puzzles like we did in school are childish quizzes quizzes acting what childish quizzes asking what language certain words derived from is supposed to be taxing.

Add to that. A bunch of simple word searches in a usual mid range Sudoku ad adds up to a bog standard easy puzzle. I just love these self profess geniuses sitting here with the children's AI puzzle. AI activity book. A fucking might as well have a sticker book like one of those sticker books where you lick the sticker and stick it on the thing. It's so good. Making it from front to back doing every single

one. Like oh I just love that man. I love this. I remember having like you know and I'm old enough where like a lot of my childhood was pre-internet so like I remember having like, you know, and and and I'm old enough where like a lot of my childhood was pre internet. So like I remember having those kind of activity books, like having a big book of logic puzzles or whatever, and working through them. But like, I was a child, like I cannot imagine

buying that as an adult and being like, I'm going to pass my time, you know, Yeah, it's a really one step above. So like, when we were young, you would get a coloring book. If you were really young, you get a little bit older, you get a sticker book. You get a little bit older. You get an activity book where you can connect the dots and do stuff like that. That's what these guys are doing.

And this line right here is so good. He goes, uh, add a add to that a bunch of simple word searches, which that's so fucking funny to be in this book. Anyway, a word search. Like I's so fucking funny to be in this book anyway. A word search. It's such a funny thing to put in there. I'm sorry, but when- Like, microscope, like, what if it's-

Yeah! When there's a word search, do not realize right then and there that this is not for genius adults. Exactly. A word search that probably has words that the guy doesn't understand. Yeah. Like, that's the only- But like, that doesn't matter in a word search that probably has words that the guy doesn't understand Yeah, that's the only but like that doesn't matter in a word search Yeah, you just have to you don't need to know the meaning of the word for the word search

You just have to find the letters in the right order So I don't know that there was a drawing of an owl with a cap and gown next to it And I didn't know what I was doing. Yeah fucking kids book cap and gown next to it. And I didn't know what I was doing. Yeah, you're reading a fucking kid's book. Because add to that a bunch of simple word searches and the usual mid range Sudoku adds up to a bog standard easy puzzle book dressed up in the emperor's clothes.

Now I have to return it totally easy. I wasn't even scared from the horror movie like that's my favorite thing. Those are our favorite reviews. I just love the reviews are just like, yeah, like this puzzle book the horror movie like I Just saw the reviews are just like yeah like this puzzle book or made quick work of this, you know I watched the horror movie. I give it one star cuz it didn't scare me. We Nick we read On the book guys episode a guy reviewing Dracula. Oh, I heard this, yeah. Yeah, that guy's my favorite guy. That's scary.

That's scary. Yeah, that book wasn't scary. This guy goes unsolvable. I'm gonna look like 1899. This guy goes unsolvable puzzle, page 35. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha. Don't buy this product if you want an intellectual challenge.

Puzzles must be solvable to be a challenge in the first place. Wait, wait, wait, wait wait no one else has mentioned it I think he just couldn't figure that one children's puzzle Goes should say for average brained man. I thought it would be challenging for my 15 year old But it was way too easy, so I also like the parents buying it for their kids. Yeah, okay. Are you gifted? Can I can I hand you this book to figure out if you're a gifted child? Ask your child what they're really interested in and then see if they want to get into that versus just a puzzle book or whatever

Jinxy goes perhaps if it had more errors it could be given as a gag gift, but unlikely. So that's a good one. That's good. That's good. Purchase for my puzzle loving husband in hopes that he'd find some challenging or interesting ones within it. He did not. If it had been any other adult, I'd have been embarrassed.

Say lovey. So her husband was in Mensa is probably what the issue was. Yeah. Yeah. He's secretly hiding his Mensa membership and she now Your time on our slash IQ test That's what do you think is more important IQ or physical attractiveness? I'll say physical attractiveness because that's what I have

Don't pretend also we joke a lot Brian you mentioned your you have a degree yours your act Brian's smart He's actually like not like these guys that we're talking about, but Brian is a smart person. You're also good-looking, dude I don't disagree, but you're a smart guy as well. Yeah, and and also I'm the total package, baby I think I think both you guys are but but also what is this? Important in what I mean if I want to if I want to have sexual intercourse with someone, for me, it's physical attractiveness. If I want to solve a puzzle with somebody, then I'm going to go with intelligence.

So I think it's a difficult question to ask. Yeah, and maybe these factors, if you're talking about someone you're going to date, kind of balance out in terms of the totality of the human being. Maybe it's not just one or the other. I don't know. Oh yeah, yeah.

If you're looking to date somebody, I would say, I don't really, listen, if I could be real for a second, I don't think of it in that way. Obviously you have to be attracted to somebody physically on some level, but I don't. There's just people that you meet and you have an attraction to you. You're like, I like this person. I like spending time around this person. You know I want to share time with them. I'm not Like I'm all right. What's their state? You know what are they? What are they gonna say if I throw a real fucking tough one at them at dinner?

Panic or what I Do make my wife solve puzzles before we have sex I kind of hand her a book and I say this is a high-level Sudoku if you can't do it Wayne fucking and she's like and she's like oh god. I couldn't do it again I guess I'm so stupid Don't don't talk like that, please Katie Katie. Oh, she loves to get it. Stop it. Stop that. That's disrespectful. As long as your IQ is somewhere around average, you're attractive. And you know, she hears these shows like while I'm recording it.

And sometimes I'll be like, I heard you talking about me and I'm like, oh, I wasn't. I was sorry. That was a different fake wife. I was going to ask how she hears you. But then I realized there's a hole in your floor. Yeah, there is. You could fall through the floor. That's somebody was I was so yesterday I was recording a pod cast and my, my shoelaces got wrapped up in my desk chair and I was stuck to my chair.

I couldn't get, I couldn't get them undone. They were super like tight around there. And I spent the first 45 minutes of the podcast on the floor on my knees trying to get the chair like off of, off of my foot. I have a question for you. Did you take your shoe off? No. Great question. Why not? Because I don't do that. My house. It's a thing, man. Brian, I understand that you don't like to wear around, but just for the sake of it being caught in a chair, just for the fact that it'd be easier to get it out. I'm saying I didn't take it. I would feel uncomfortable. Okay. So you didn't.'d be on over because cuz John was like you record with your shoes on

Like that's like that's not weird. I have bare feet right now. I have no socks or Right now I also have bare feet right now. I will say yeah Barefoot's legal. I think Nick and I are both in our homes. So I think Yeah, we're okay. You guys might as well be nudists to me. Go play pickleball in your Naked's. I do agree with Chris, because it seemed like you had a problem that maybe could have been solved by just removing your shoe, even just momentarily.

But it's crazy. You're so against taking off your shoes. I don't take them off. Even when the lace is stuck inside of your chair, you still will not take them off. I don't take them off at all. I have to applaud you for that. When I go to somebody's house

and they're like, take your shoes off, I was like, I'll just be like, I'll just stand here and stand by the door the whole time. Oh, did you come to my house? Yeah, you took your shoes off at my house, or did I not? No, I didn't. I stood at the door. No, I let you walk in the house. I think just not on the like just on the hardwood Yeah, yeah, that's all I stood on see cuz I understood that

He's like a little you know that it's important to him or whatever to not take off his shoes But in Canada you definitely take off your shoes when you come in somebody's house like it's it's a standard thing you It's just so rude to walk in someone's house with shoes. Yeah, I genuinely I generally assume if I'm entering someone's home that I'm going to take my shoes off unless they're like, it's fine. Yeah, you know. Yes, of course. I like I've watched like football games laying on the floor with my feet still on the linoleum peeking around the corner.

Like I've spent a whole party doing that. That's a little performative though, no? Is that not? I'm just not taking my shoes off. I'm in the room with the shoes. And do you have, now I've asked this before I think, but like it's not a- I have beautiful feet, I've told you that.

I know, but it's not a foot odor thing either. No, nothing on me stinks, Chris. I'm obsessed with that. I know, I know. Obsessed with not stinking you're like you live your life You live your whole life like Donnie brosko in the Japanese restaurant when he's got the the the recording device He's got the bug in his in his boot and he won't take his shoes off Yeah

the whole and the scene ends in him beating the shit out of a waiter and in a in the bathroom just so he can you Know not get busted as a rat. He would never, he would never beat anybody up. Yeah, he wouldn't. He would antagonize the waiter and then his friends would jump out from behind the fucking curtains. I didn't see that scenario. This this this this waiter is very old. So that's especially and I wouldn't fight an old guy. I push her over then. Poor No, Sean. I haven't talked to Porn. Brian might push her over then. Ha ha ha ha. Porno Sean. I haven't talked to Porno Sean in a decade or two.

So I did see him once at a baseball game, but... Oh, really? Like recently? Like a year ago, yeah. He was going to a baseball game. He stopped me and he's like, what are you up to now? I'm like, yeah, just podcasting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that's how you found out what he was doing for work? No, I didn't ask him. I figured I did, I did, I should have asked him. How's the porno store coming along? Yeah I think he would have been like, oh yeah that thing like I've really made I don't think he would remember that he was trying to open a porno store I think like I think he was legitimately trying to open a porno store I don't think he was collecting porno to whack off to because he had so much porno. I think a lot of people have asked to have if he would ever come on the pod. Do you think

you ever would come on? No. Okay. That was a very, I don't think he likes me because of the, the, the, as I said before, porno Sean was in the newspaper once because his son wanted to carry the blue lives matter flag onto the football field at a football game in the school wouldn't let him So poor no Sean was like in the newspaper being like this is America, you know and stuff like so I don't think he would like me. So you don't you know, and maybe Maybe that little detail maybe maybe he wouldn't be so popular with our It might be a situation where hey Let's share some old

stories and then maybe he wants to get into some of what's going on in the world today and that might not be so good. I'm not afraid to talk politics. Let's get them on here. Let's get a debate going. Hey, I am. I'm terrified to talk politics and this is a, listen, I'm terrified of them and I'm scared of them and they'll never be on this podcast. And that's me putting the hammer down. As long as your IQ is somewhere around average, your attractiveness will usually carry you the rest of the way. The halo effect alone will have people perceiving you're smarter than average. Anyway, attractiveness adds over 1 million and intangible benefits over a lifetime.

Be honest, would you want to be more attractive or have a couple points added to your IQ that no one can even see? So instead of wasting money on a college degree, you'll be better off using it for plastic surgery. I like this guy going to the IQ test subreddit and telling them like, you know, you could add over 1 million points in intangible benefits over a lifetime

if you're just good looking, you know? Yeah 1 million points and intangible benefits over a lifetime if you're just good-looking You know, yeah I think there's a there's a maybe an element of self-pity in this post of like maybe this is not like the best looking Person and maybe they're kind of like like, you know what attractive people don't even have to be smart like we are Yeah Yeah, like they got every and and there is some truth to the fact that attractive people in certain instances have it easier. People tend to be nicer if they're attracted to someone and they wanna curry favor with them or whatever.

But yeah, this does seem a little bit like sour grapes from old Gill or something like that. I had a hard time finding, and this is maybe indicative of what the IQ test is. I had a really hard time finding people who failed You know what? I mean like there there were like almost no people posting I took an IQ test and I was like a normal range It's always like I'm so I I took an IQ test and it was 150

I don't know how high the number goes. Brian, do you think, I mean, I don't know how much content you have for it. Maybe we could definitely do it for a guy's plus or whatever, but I think you want to take it a test. Let's take an IQ test. Let's do one live. Let's do it. I probably am so low because I look at those shape puzzles and I'm like, I'd rather be a dudist priest to tell you the truth. I would say I would be almost certain that I would be lower than you, but I think it would be funny and fun to do. And we'd have like a better understanding of what it was, you know, because one I'll do one on. You don't know. This guy goes, I don't know.

I like being cute. So maybe attractiveness, but I can be cute and smart. That's actually a woman. And this person goes, looks like you're already low on the IQ part. Wait, what? Is that in response to? And this person goes looks like you're already low on the IQ part That's to a woman saying I don't know I like being cute so maybe attractiveness but I can be cute and smart and I think he's giving her a compliment By saying looks like you're already low on the IQ part. So's like you're pretty hot because you're stupid. He's given the worst compliment ever. Yes I think it might be the worst compliment I've ever seen. It's one of the worst compliment attempts I've ever seen you know and he's just like oh yeah listen it seems like you're stupid as fucking hell then. Oh girl you're fucking dumb. It sounds like you couldn't fucking figure out how to read a fucking book meant for first graders

Yeah, that's Badass going around calling people's this person goes physical attractiveness is more important IQ is way overrated Then we get now we get a smart guy to reply to this he goes nope Then we get now we get a smart guy to reply to this. He goes nope IQ is what got us to the current point of evolution where most people in first world countries can live comfortably especially lower IQ people This is all made possible due to the advancements people of higher intellectual capacity have made Beauty may get you somewhere in life, but high intellect has the potential to get everyone somewhere in life, which is just at the point where we are now to say that intelligent men have got us, intelligent people have got us

to where we are now. I think they have gotten us to a point and then there's also these other group of guys that are not so intelligent, but they have something else going on then they've brought us to a whole different place You know, but there are obviously like medical advancements and stuff from genius people have benefited Society and like, you know, like I'm just a stupid, you know Like flying and like people who have invented things that are like really, you know important things for the world But yeah, I mean, it's not a good look to say, hey, look where they got us now.

I feel like that reply is like the next step of that reply is kind of like, hey, how are you even posting this? It's like you have smart guys to thank for the internet. You have smart guys to thank for this phone in your hand. Oh, I can't believe they didn't even lay that out on them. None of them did. Yeah, right. Fuck.

Here's an interesting one that I like. And you guys know I love a good Reddit fight. Everybody listening to this show knows I love a good Reddit fight. This guy goes to the IQ test subreddit, and he goes, I've taken a few IQ tests, and my score ranges from 120 to 155, which makes it a terrible way to appraise intellect.

First of all, a lot of these people are taking IQ tests in which when you get to the end, you have to pay money to see your results. So that's one thing that is going like they've all been scammed. Like 90% of these guys have been scammed by that. Yeah, and I think that would also be like, so these tests, these paid tests are going to skew higher because they want you to be like, hey, here you go, you know, here you go.

They wanna try to make you feel like you got your money's worth because you proved that you were smart by paying the scam company. And then, but there's also the thing of just like if you were actually smart, you wouldn't pay for a fucking online IQ test. Yeah, in the first place. And also, you're right that this the the like paid ones would skew hacks. They also want people like they talk about it.

You know what I mean? Like spread it around and stuff. And like, man, you say, I got a one. Oh, what site did you like? That's it's such an obvious scam that you would think that the geniuses would but again It's like the I mean, it's the peg think of that Peggy Hill. I love that episode But yeah, it really is like it's not highly intelligent people It's a different type of people who are who are getting scammed in this way Like I don't know what they are exactly, you know, it's hard to figure out people who are getting scammed in this way. Like I don't know what they are exactly, you know? It's hard to figure out because they're getting scammed. They're a hundred percent.

They're getting scammed, right? But like they're passing tests, which I guess are hard. You know what I mean? The practice stuff I looked at looked like stuff I could never figure out. But is it, what about if you practiced them a bunch? You're not allowed to do that. I actually have a post about that we can run over. You do not do that, Chris. That's disgusting.

But don't you think they could do that? They could just be doing that, you know what I mean? And then like sharing it, and like just understanding how the tests work and what kind of questions are asked and stuff, and just learning that type of stuff, and then going and taking a test and that might be why they're able to score high.

Well, here is, what do the people in Mensa who didn't study for their IQ test think of the people who did study? I personally think they're just average people who want so desperately to be smart. So they study for the test and retake it as many times as necessary for them to get their fake IQ score. Basically I hate them. And I think they shouldn't be allowed in Mensa because they're actually not smart. He also uses the wrong version of there when

he says they're actually not smart. So there is that. So is there, is there, is Mensa, is it like getting into the baseball Hall of Fame? Like we can only take the test a certain number of times or can you keep test taking it as many times you pay take it as many times as you want and as many times as you pay. I think Mensa is a great scam. Yeah, it seems like it. It does it and like like Chris said, these aren't like it's

so hard to explain because they do have some sort of intellect that can like do these puzzles. And it's like the post or the toast masters in the other way. That's like, so people that can speak in front of people, uh, and engage with them, don't need to follow these crazy rules that the toast masters have. The toast masters is a thing for people who are like unable to have like a regular conversation and are unable to like, cause they're teaching you, they're, they're almost teaching you how to relate to people as an alien in a way with toast masters. And I think like that's kind of what these guys are doing, like that they can relate to each other and

sit and talk, but they're not like the there's no practical application for any of the stuff they've done. You know what I mean? To the Simpsons episode, that sort of concept of like they have this one type of intelligence it's not applicable to meaningful things in society and they're like they can't communicate ideas and stuff like that yeah well this guy goes hey there first someone who studies and takes it multiple times really wants to be a Mensa guess what when they attend events they'll realize you can't fake it I appreciate their enthusiasm so this is now I'm so confused again.

What are they? They're testing you again at these like or they just you can't hang in conversation at the event. That's right. Oh, that's right. People are going to like suss them out like single guys like also like a fucking thing. So I don't know. So on that, yeah,'re so low on it. Yeah.

You're low on conversation points, and you're very high on getting it done. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody who just doesn't have something like, sorry, what's going on here? There's quiet, and it's like, have you run out of conversation topics?

And a big alarm goes off, get hauled out of the room. Like I do love that, getting found out by them. Like the idea of that, like how that would actually look. Sussing out these people who don't belong there. Guys at the Mensa thing and he's like, did you see the, have you seen like, it just names a movie? Like and people are like, are we talking about movies?

We talk about books here movies. You watch movies. Sorry, you need a moving picture to engage with something that's sorry. Was it a documentary about a book? I will watch that. He goes second, you're about to be trashed for your hate comment. Most likely you're young and we don't understand your connotations, but you shouldn't hate anyone much less simply because of them being a poser. Posers abound. Life is not fair. Get used to it. Make every day a great day. Cheers. So now live, laugh Live laugh love the only other shows we've had people talk about posers as hardcore guys. Yeah, and The there was another one the the sky guys. Yeah, and now posers come up on the fucking smart guys episode I'd love it. Yeah, it is funny the concept of them being posers cuz yeah as we keep discussing

They're all kind of posers in a way It's just degrees of it, you know, so it's just like wait a second. You're not you're too much of a poser You know, yeah, I guess probably if you are because it's a whole group of posers There's a whole group of people like LARPing is like, you know Intellectuals and so that's like you're really terrified of exposure. So you're trying to find other people you can call a witch, you know? Yes. Well, the OP comes back and goes, I disagree with you saying not to hate posers, but you were nice about it. Up vote. Okay, that's nice. Very civil. Civil. Yeah.

This person goes. Yeah, it's good advice. So that person gave good advice. It was a little bit live, laugh, love, but it was good advice. Like, just don't worry about it, man. It's like a part of life. Just do your own thing. Just, you know, that's good advice. It was a little bit live, laugh, love, but it was good advice. Like, just don't worry about it, man. It's like a part of life. Just do your own thing. Just, you know, that's that's good. I don't really care. I got in without studying anyone else's techniques or none of my business. And it's not me that will live with the knowledge that it wasn't taken cold

turkey. Oh, yeah. He goes, you know, thank you for actually answering my question. I'm not I'm not the one who's gonna judge you. When you get to the gates of heaven, it's God that will judge you. God gives you a quiz? So you are in Mensa. You have to pass this quiz or you're a liar. Here's three triangles of different sizes.

What size will the next triangle be? Just send me to hell, just send me to hell, God. I'm a poser. Guys in hell, like, actually that one was unsolvable that he gave me. There was a typo, made it unsolvable. I don't know. This guy goes, I studied for it and I took the practice test and watched a couple YouTube videos.

But my quote studying was learning what types of answers were possible. Executive dysfunction was getting to me without being able to have some examples of what lines of thinking were likely. I only took the test once, but I don't think there's anything wrong with people taking it multiple times if they need to. There are many reasons why someone with high intelligence might flub. Whoa, very interesting. Like very high intelligence might flub. Whoa, very interesting. Like very high and tell this guy say a very I could be a Mensa.

Somebody I was sorry. Your brain is going so quick that you your mouth can't keep up with it. You know, I agree. So many thoughts. Yeah, that that could be it. Definitely. I I heard somebody say flub last night in the hot in the hockey game. And it really like, I don't know, maybe pretty feel pretty happy, you know?

Also, I think of that this word that we invented is getting out to the masses and like people are saying it now on hockey matches. My daughter's boyfriend is wearing a hat that says flub on it now. That's great. Oh, so yours arrived, Aiden. That must be nice to be in America. I haven't still gotten my...

Also my being a Mensa or my own intelligence level are not affected by someone else's membership. I'm not invalidated by their presence. I have to think this is a bit of a troll post though, because you use their and their both incorrectly, which feels like bait to me. I love guys that say, I just wrote three paragraphs, but I know you're trying to bait me. Right? Listen, I know that I just fucking fell for bait Because if it's not a troll post I'd maybe suggest doing some introspection on why you're so emotionally affected by this have a great Day OP replies and goes I'm not emotionally affected by this in any way other than it pisses me off That might be a troll that might be a troll Yeah, that's pretty funny.

I don't care about there, there, or there, because it's pointless to have three of them. See, this person is. That person is messing with the mens of people, I'm afraid to say. Yeah. It seems like, yeah, this person's messing with them. But it is funny to see someone riling them up and how easily they do get riled up. Oh, this person has a good line. That's really funny. Seems a bit desperate to me. I didn't, I didn't study, went to a

private psychologist. The ones I think should not be allowed in. However, are the psychologists. I think it's a cheat as they know how to give it an already know the answer. I'm known to over the years, but had the attitude that I was smart enough to think about doing this. So there this person goes, what does it matter? Does it somehow invalidate your intelligence? It's a non zero sum situation. He replies and goes, I'm just curious. He goes, seems to me you were stating your opinion that you hate them. That's not curiosity. And he goes, oh, I'm sorry.

I was under the impression that you actually read my entire post, but it's clear now that you only read the description. Ooh, he goes, I did read your post in which you don't ask any questions, but you say basically I hate them and think that they shouldn't be a lot of Mensa because they're actually not all that smart. How is that just you being curious? And he goes, it's me being curious because I asked a question, but you clearly didn't read the post because the literal title says, what do the people in Mensa who didn't study for their IQ test think of the people who did? That's a question you absolute idiot and the guy goes grow up and he goes not my fault you don't

understand what a question is oh shit so this troll guy now is like he's really digging his teeth in on him now he knows he's got like a wounded animal there and now he's really giving him the boots. But it did make me think who, what about the guy who came up with the Mensa questions IQ questions? That guy just gets a free pass into Mensa cause he obviously knows that he came up with the questions. So ask them that their brain will start smoking. You asked that. What about the guy who wrote the questions?

Is he in Mensa? And then they faint. Yeah. Is that real? You asked that what about the guy who wrote the questions is he in Mensa and then they faint? Yeah Is that real I saw the other one I read a minute ago where the guy was talking about the inaccurate score First of all, this guy uses Strange language goes. Well, yeah, if you cheese the test, you're gonna get an inaccurate score Hmm, I don't know what that would mean cheese the tag. I guess like fudge it he's meaning fudge it but what does that mean in this context more intelligent way to say fudge it okay

I'm gonna write that down so far I have two things I say one instead of you and then how I say cheese it instead of fudge it so I have I ever cheese about like you know cheesing any sort I mean I feel like I've heard of this in like a like a video game context. It's like you're cheesing a boss or something like that. Like you kind of found an exploit. So maybe, yeah, maybe there's an equivalent of that in an exam. There's sort of a way to see the way. So it's a shortcut thing.

It's not a but that is kind of fudging it in a way. It is kind of fudging. Yeah. There's another thing. Yeah. But that's OK. So you think that it might it's a workaround. You found a way to like game the system or whatever. I think that's what I think that's what the poster is trying to say. But this is this whole thing is and because you're

kind of like like doing the rundown of smart guy things. This is another one that I'm reminded of is just like the this style of argument where you're kind of like trying to say you're you're you're acting like you're not mad or you're above it while you're so mad You know, I mean like like you're just trying to like like have this sort of Stilted detached intellectual language to try to dissect someone else's argument But clearly like you're the fucking angriest person the subject is like fuck you fucking asshole, but you won't actually say that Yeah, because that's what how like a brute kind of like,

so, you know, that's how they would act. I would say aggressive buffoon would act that way. Not me. I don't get out of it. I have emotional intelligence. So I mean, yeah, this guy on IQ test says our dog people are generally lower IQ than cat people or the other way around. Oh, most definitely. Idiot dog people are idiots. Oh, most definitely idiot dog. People are idiots.

Oh, that's actually the thing. It goes researchers examining the differences between dog people and cat people found that feline fans score higher on intelligent tests and are more introverted, open minded and sensitive. On the other hand, dog people are more outgoing and energetic and they prefer to follow the rules. It's always been common knowledge. Cat people are smarter than dog. People are more defeat. I'd love to see the sample size on that. I want to see the control group. I want to see how they figure that information out. I don't think it's accurate at all.

True, actually. People with no animals are actually considered to be the smartest level. Nick, what is your what is your animal situation? No animals. Yeah. And so what I'm saying, hang on, though, what do you what do you guys do? What about me? I must be the dumbest guy ever because I got a dog and a cat. Oh, boy. Average intellect.

You're an average intellect. We can't get the other out. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I see. Dumb. I mean, that's true. I think I probably am average intellect. So I think that's probably accurate, which yet does the smart guys means I'm the dumbest guy ever. Yeah. Average intellect is you might as well be considered

the dumbest guy in the world. This guy goes interesting. Can you please point me to where you found this? And then the person that ever replies, which I like, because what if I just think dogs look cute or does that make me dumb? Does that make me a dumb rule-following robot? And then I'll ask guy goes I would like a source on this don't know about the cat and dog thing But most of the smart people I know are also extroverts. So Some jokes Nick. You're you've done improv your comedian Chris. You're you've done stand-up comedy

I have done stand-up comedy. We don't talk about it very much, but I have. I used to tread the boards. Well, I'm going to read some jokes to you guys that I found about smart people, high IQ individuals. So these aren't written by smart people. These are written about smart people. This is for smart people. It's actually 20 jokes only very intelligent people will understand.

Okay. So then it was written by a fellow smart person. It's Yeah, I don't want to make sure wasn't gonna be like derogatory or anything No, no, no three logicians walk into a bar the barman asked three beers The first logician says I don't know the second logician says I don't know the third logician says yes What's a logician says, I don't know. The third logician says, yes. What's a logician? Someone who specializes in logic. And that's the kind of thing where there's like all these, it's like there's high level logic.

I've never actually taken a logic class. So I don't really get this joke, but I like, it's, there's like mathematical sort of rules. I don't know if it's an actual branch of math or if it's like a, you know, it's like kind of a pseudoscience. But yeah, it's a real thing. It's interesting to see the levels of intelligence because like Nick is like he he's not quite smart enough to understand, like on their level of that.

And then I don't even know what the word means. It is that's like debate, right? Like we all, I think everybody thinks that the basic comparison. Yeah. Yeah. Cause everybody thinks debate club is like just people being like, Oh, what about this? You know what I mean? Like when you, when, when I like, when me and Chris debate each other on the show and I always win like that's a different kind of debating. There's like a there's like an addition and there is like a math formality to it there. Yeah, there are there rules there judges and you are you're getting points not on how like effective your argument is in the abstract but in terms of how it's meeting certain criteria.

And yeah, I think the I think the formal logic is a similar sort of thing. It's even hard for a person that's not part of that culture to under wouldn't even understand a debate if they were watching it because it's so I sort of difficult. I would love to hear that now that I know what a logician is. I would love to hear that joke again. Well, what about this one, Chris? I think it's please, please. Can you go? I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Here we go. And there is an explanation for the joke under it if you need that. Oh, great. Three logicians walk into a bar. The barman has three beers. The first logician says, I don't know. The second logician says, I don't know. The third logician says, yes. Smart guy laugh. That's a smart guy laugh.

So I tried to do it. I tried to do a smart guy. Being that the three men are logicians, their entire mentality is based off solid reasoning and truth. You can say yes to the bartender only if you're certain all three individuals want a beer. You can say no you're certain all three individuals want a beer you can say no if Either of them do not want a beer the first man wants a beer However, this he's uncertain if the others want a beer and says I don't know same reasoning for the second man

The third guy knows he wants a beer and that his friends want one as well or they would have said no ie no, we don't want three beers. I love when they explain it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, this is like the people who laugh at these jokes are like the people who like laugh out loud in class when you're like reading Shakespeare. You know, yeah, like trying to understand what the fuck he's talking about. And you're like, yeah, when you hear like as you like, it is one of Shakespeare's best comedies and you're like, I laughed once.

Yeah. Least funny shit in the world. Right. So they like actually my favorite Shakespeare is actually like it. That's why I brought it up. They they figure out like what are supposed to be jokes. Like they can recognize they like they figure out like, OK, this was a joke. And then that's when they know that it's laugh time. It's a good one. What did the cell say to his sister cell when stepping on his foot? I'm not sure. My toes is Chris. Come on, man. That one's not really a smart guy one though,

is it? I mean, I think I guess it's just knowing the vocabulary word mitosis. Oh yes, yes. And that sounds like mitosis, but yeah, I don't know how much of a smart guy joke that is. Smart enough that I didn't know it though. See that one divided Nick and I where again, this is a pretty good barometer I feel like. I got it too.

Well, I don't know that we can verify that though. I did How many surrealist does it take to screw in a light bulb? It's a surrealist what's there? You know it's realist. Yeah, I know give it to you here We go you guys are gonna laugh so hard. Okay a fish I To hydrogen atoms are walking toward the street together then suddenly one shouts damn it I've lost my electron the other Adam asked are you sure and yes, I'm a Maybe I've maybe heard that joke before I feel like. I feel like I maybe heard that in physics class in high school or something like this.

Sorry, you went to physics class? Yeah, okay. Sounds like someone's a bit of an intellectual. I went above physics. Actually, I went to a harder... It's called like super physics at the Ohio State University. Quantum physics. No. Oh, yeah. It's above that, too.

Super physics. Heisenberg was speeding down the highway. A cop pulls him over and says, do you have any idea how fast you were going back there? Heisenberg says, no, but I knew where I was. Oh, well, OK. I thought he was going to say, I'm uncertain, like the uncertainty.

Well, but the joke was actually smarter than that. It was about the the uncertainty principle in practice. This one's for me, everybody, because this was my job. Some people think this show is this but it's not. Two sociologists are sitting by the pool. One turns to the other and asks, Have you read marks to which he replies? Yeah, it's these damn wicker chairs.

As a sociologist, so I get that, but I get what we explain that one to me. Yeah, I understand. Have you read marks? Red. Do you have red marks? Oh, it's a pun. Have you having read? Have you read marks? Because I wouldn't ask like that because I'm not smart. But I would say, you know, you got red marks.

You got red marks on your order. And I read a lot of it. I know that's the thing I know. That's people always like, you're kind of doing a sociology thing with guys. And then I'll get a message from somebody. It's like you didn't even look at all sides of the story with this. And I'm like, well, first of all, I'm not doing sociology. I'm goofing on weird guys. That's the whole show. So yeah.

And don't please don't please don't talk about Mark's on the podcast. It's not political podcast. I love Karl Marx. He's a smart guy. Enough. A photon checks into a hotel. The bellhop asked, Can I help you with your luggage? It replies, I don't have any. I'm traveling light. Oh, please stop Chris go do these jokes yeah like it doing stand-up Yeah, yeah, go to an open mic and deliver these jokes that that's actually a really funny bit like you know to go and deliver these

Jokes that are like only for super smart people And they just like oh, I guess you guys didn't get it Yeah This is like this is like the set like Dan Ninan would do if he was like booked for like a corporate gig at like Raytheon or something like that like a bunch of engineers He's like telling like the softest fucking science jokes and just brushing of engineers telling like the softest fucking science jokes and just brushing, getting paid a hundred thousand dollars. I wonder what he's up to. I haven't talked to him in a long time. I used to I used to talk to him a lot very regularly and have a lot. Wow. He would send

me videos of himself on private jets and stuff like that. So yeah, really to you. Yeah, to me. That's cool. Yeah, we we talk. We have Gavin, who we just had on big Lebowski guys a little while ago He had a real close relationship with Dan nine and where he would regularly, you know Talk back and forth with them, you know Wow. All right. Well, I think we did smart guys Nick Thank you so much for doing the show. We love you. You're the best Hey, I love the show. I'm on the patreon. I listen every week. It's it's it's I'd be to be sincere for a moment. I came on the show with my doughboys co host, Mike Mitchell, I think episode within the first 10 episodes. It was very early. Now your past episode,

we did hot sauce guys. That was so fun. Now your past episode 100. It's a great show. It's the the podcast. Other podcasters want to talk about to me. And I just it's it's it's awesome what you all have built. So so congratulations. That's the show. I love it so much. That's so nice. Thanks for having me on. I mean, that means a lot, obviously, coming from you, because we I am a big fan of yours. I went and watched your live doughboy show in Vancouver.

Still, I talk about all the time. It's one of the best live podcast shows that I've seen. I normally think it's not that great. Like ours wasn't fantastic. Just joking. And also we have another one on sale now, I believe. The Toronto show possibly. But yeah, Toronto Toronto Toronto. Yeah, it means a lot because you're one of the in my opinion. And I think in a lot of people's opinion are one of the best podcasters. So thank you. That means a lot. All right. And we will see you next week with tool guys.

Oh, tool the band or which we don't know yet because we haven't booked the other one. Okay. Could be tool the band. If it's tool the band, we're recording that with our friends at Wolf Parade. So that'll be a lot of fun. All right. We'll see y'all next week. Go to Patreon, patreon.com.

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