Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 116 - Satanic Guys with Howell Dawdy

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Hello ladies and gentlemen, come with us on a journey to completely not understand satanic guys. We had Howell Dawdy to try to figure out what these satanic guys believe. We learn about Anton Lavey and we check in with Count Jackula.  There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST and I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I'm Brian and I'm trying to do a Satan voice, but instead I probably sound more like Cookie Monster or something like that with me as my my co-host a Christian slave Chris James a Christian slave I mean I Chris you Christian fucking slave Yeah, I understand that it's like they mean I'm a slave to Christianity But I do think there were also a lot of Christian slaves as well. I just says a whole sort of separate. I don't believe in that. You know, okay. I'm not sure that slavery. You don't believe in it. I mean, it's a fact against it. Yeah, no, I don't talk about it. Oh, I see. I see. So you're you're taking a stance against it. I understand

against slavery. I see. So you don't believe in in that you believe that it happens and happened, but you There's some debate about that This is I just love the idea of people because not everyone who listens to this podcast is really kind of aware of your politics And just somebody trying to hey my friends told me to check out this new podcast guys And the right in the beginning the guy is like a slavery denial I've never met one of those I've met a Holocaust denier you have oh yeah here Let's get our guests on we got how Dottie That and then go and he's in here is don't do that

Yeah, I used to work with a Holocaust denier. Okay. So yeah to be clear how I was a different with him different guy Yeah, I'm not the house Different guy. Okay, so I got him a job at the cable company this guy you got off You got a job for a Holocaust and I hurt You gave a reference to a Holocaust denier? And this would be the second worst reference he's ever given, just to be clear, because one of the references he gave also got a job at gunfire for masturbating at his desk. I never considered that I've gotten given too bad referral. I'm actually gonna put the guy who jerked off at his desk a spot lower on the list than

the Holocaust denier. I'm gonna say that the Holocaust denier is the worst guy. Of course Howell, of course, but does he embarrass you as much in work? It depends I guess on how vocal he is with his Holocaust denial if it never comes up in the work setting then you could be less embarrassed than hey you know that guy Brian gave reference to yeah he was jacking off at his desk to pornography yeah and there was another couple guys there at the cable company I think they found common cause with with being Nazis and like they talked about it, but they talked about it in a way that like after like a, just a couple of days I was like, Oh, I think

these guys are Nazis. Like I, I think, cause they don't say I'm a Nazi. Yeah. They don't self identify as Nazi at work. Especially as you're training them. Right? Yeah. They just got a job. I'm training this guy. He's got these tattoos that I'm like, that might be a Nazi, but the other guy doesn't have any tattoos that you can see. Yeah. Yeah. And he's just the guy I knew and he didn't really talk about politics all that much. And then one day, you know, it was 2004. We were kind of talking about the election with John Kerry and George W Bush and I I don't remember how it came up but he was like some people say Holocaust didn't happen I was like oh I don't think we're friends anymore like I was even at that time kind of like this guy's got some bad opinion yeah that's

it that is that is one of I mean that's known as one of the worst opinions What's the opinion you can have? It's one of known as one of the worst opinions I guess it's not even really opinion an opinion. I guess because it's like it's a factual thing that you're denying So I don't think you can call that he hates people so much like yeah He just needs everybody except for white guys. Yeah, so much I have to say if you're trying to reach out into the world with that kind of awful opinion, you know, bringing it up in a conversation about the 2004 presidential election is pretty

bad. Like, that's you're bringing it up in a lot of stuff. If you're bringing it up, that's true. It might be a heavy talking point for you. I was like, I was watching the daily show last night. John Stewart had some interesting things to say about John Kerry's swift boat veterans for truth. And then somehow it turned into well, some people don't think the Holocaust ever really happened. And I was like, Whoa, yeah. Good. John Stewart, we're going back to John Stewart. So anyway, yeah, I got this guy a job then he got another guy a job So there were like three guys working at the cable company that were Nazi

I don't know what ended up happening with him. So he like he was like the first guy they're in the government now. They're Running everything Got them jobs at the cable company they're now in charge Well, I don't be not running every they've really Because you got them jobs at the cable company there now in charge He like allowed a cell to infiltrate the cable company by getting this one guy in and then he started getting all his buddies And opening the door for them congratulations They found it they found it clear channel after that and then it was just all over all over Wait, who got me in? They found it. They founded Clear Channel after that, and then it was just all over, all over. Wait, who got? I'll tell you who got me in. PS?

Yep. Oh! And then he got fired shortly after. Shortly. Porto Sean got me a job. Porto Sean. Oh, shortly! Shortly.

He got me a job, and then he went to do a ride along with the police. That's right. And when he got to the police station, they put him in jail because he had a warrant out. Yeah, so it wasn't so much a ride along. No, he ended up just being in jail. He was arrested by the police. And then a little later on, so we're

working for the cable company. Our mortal enemy is the satellite company. We have a warrant for porno, Sean. We have a warrant for porno Sean. But our enemy, our enemy is the satellite companies. This guy goes to a guy's house. He doesn't want to run the cable up through the attic and stuff because it's hot. It does suck to run cable through an attic. I agree with them. He goes, you should sign up for direct TV and then handed him the fucking card. And then the guy called and was like, Porto, Sean handed me this card.

And they're like, that's it, dude. You're fired. So that's really that's really funny thing to do as a guy. I know. So you should get you should get direct TV. Yeah, whatever. Ah, this guy goes on. so we're talking about Satanists Any of guys ever worship Satan before I? Know I know of course. I don't think so or what I definitely

When I was younger, I was like thought it was cool You know what I mean? There was like a period of time where I was like yeah Satan You know like the devil that's kind of cool There was like a period of time where I was like, yeah, Satan, you know, like the devil. That's kind of cool. Like I'm a bit of an atheist, I guess you could say. You know what I mean? What about you, Hal? Did you ever do the satanic thing? I would, I mean, probably as a little metal head,

like a little kid listening to heavy metal, I think that's the closest I ever got to it like the imagery of it and shit like that I absolutely never I never read anything anything written by a Satanist. I never I Never I never I never I never dove in any deeper. I was two years a Satanist Okay, all right. It's for like two years Right when people ask me what I was I'd say I'm a Satanist Oh, I see, but you weren't you weren't like what what did that mean to you at the time and what what age were you? It was 16 to 18. Oh, I see. So you had very strong convictions Yeah, well what happened is I had this class called crafts

Credit was uh yeah, okay. Were you below art you were in the regular schools or No, I listen I'm a Canadian I'm an ignorant Canadian. So I will just say I'd never had crafts class We just had our art class. It was just always called art I did crafts in art class and then it was like shop class, which yes more more More vocational I guess but yeah. Yeah You never I never had a class that was just called crafts. Okay, we did we drew we made Oh god, did we we made a ceramic hand? Oh, that's cool. We made a Collage mine was great. It was satanic. That's why I brought it up

So this was probably it was perfect for you probably because they were telling you exactly what to build you weren't having to do a mock situation Not your own creation because you would have really struggled with that. We know you can't you can't I only did one project in a whole class. I see a collage how many words out from the magazine and you glue them to a piece of Posterboard. Mm-hmm. The rest I just was like, I mean that's that's art though. I think I think collage. Thank you. If you're expressing yourself in a collage, I think that's that to me falls more on the on the on the side of the line of art. But I mean what what sorry Chris go ahead. What was in your collage Brian? I remember the whole middle of it was pictures of Charles Manson. Whoa and then

Jesus yeah hang on a second So this is yeah, so you were a Satanist obviously as you say he was well There's more of it. He was a famous Satanist, right? Like he would always talk. No, he wasn't but I thought he was Yeah, I was the type of Satanist. He was actually like a he was like Like a an insane like Christian, right? Like wasn't that his thing that he that he thought that there would be a bat a war between the Christians and the Satanists Right and and he wasn't a race war as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was bad. That was a bad part of his Unfortunately, there was bad. That was a bad part of his Unfortunately there was also that

Kind of sort of do a thing where you're like, well, yeah, there was he did that one bad thing I don't he's just kind of known as a bad guy mostly Yes, I don't support Charles Manson. Okay, good good good news everybody Brian doesn't support Charles Manson Brian Brian probably if I could Big news everybody Brian doesn't support Charles Manson Brian right probably fuck it I probably gave him a recommendation for a job New Charles Manson it is early years. He would have recommended him to work at the cable company I Do feel like Brian so far in this app in this episode has been playing a kind of like bad clip roulette

been playing a kind of like bad clip roulette thing. No, I'm saying that like I thought that I was a Satanist in that like I loved Satan. Like I would put Satan like a lot of the a lot of the collage was upside down crosses, pictures of Charles Manson and then also cigarettes. I went through all the cigarette ads and just glued cigarette ads to the thing. That's really cool. That part of it is really cool. I wish I still had it. I'm going to tell you I wish I still had the collage but I don't because they took it to the principal's office. They called my parents. The parents came in and they sat down. It's the only time I ever stuck up for me They were like, I mean you told him to do a collage. This is what you're gonna get, you know It was a Charles Manson part probably that they were most

Hey, let's get a collage of your interests and you're like noted serial killer Charles Manson is one of my big guys. I think in my mind I didn't put any weed on it. You know what I mean? So I can't get in trouble. Oh, I see. So I was satanic in that like, yes, all the teachers knew I did drugs too, but all the teachers, I felt like,

well, everybody here does drugs, I need something else. Yeah, it's kind of funny that the entire assumption there was just that you were saying cigarettes are awesome and Charles Manson is awesome. Cause you could read that collage as, here are things that kill you, right? That's good, yeah, that's not why I was doing it though. You could read it that way.

But have you seen a photo of him at that age? I'm just curious if you've seen what he looked like at that age. There was no misconstruing what the messaging was there. It was like, I love Charles Manson and I may be a serial killer myself. That's how I would read it, yeah. Well, so let's check in.

Also just cigarettes. I love smoking, I love smoking. Everyone would have known how much he loved smoking He would have been smoking all the time in the bathroom I love smoking in the bathroom and they knew we were smoking because the rule was that to catch you a cigarette in your hand Mm-hmm So somebody would stand outside and be like teachers coming real loud and then are the teachers coming and then teacher come there Like you're not allowed to do that anymore

So then we were like, okay, fine. So then we would stand at the door and when the teacher was coming, we would yell like, I love candy or something like that. And that meant throw your cigarette away to teachers. Like, you're not allowed to say you love candy anymore. But you would just switch it up every time, right? Yeah, and then the teacher would tell us

if we're allowed to say it, we'd just say something else every time. The teachers didn't really have a good plan in place. I feel like stop it. Let's look at some Satanist. Let's look at this question. Well, they got to let them use the bathroom. So your hands are tied basically. You're right.

And by the way, okay, so we're starting off with a guy that we actually know quite well. We've met this guy. Not yet. I have him up here because we're going off with a guy that we actually know quite well. We've met this guy yet I have him up here because we're gonna learn about Satan Satanism from count. Jackula. It was a guy that we love Yeah, personally, he's great. He gets horny for dead bodies. So This is the first thing I found and said my uncle sends me Bible verses every morning What's a good scripture from the satanic version? I can send him First reply

Send other Bible verses back. I personally like this one Ezekiel 2320 there she lusted after her lovers whose generals were like those of donkeys and whose emissions were like that of horses So he's just saying like there's actually some pretty nasty stuff in the Bible just showing that like presumably Just saying like there's actually some pretty nasty stuff in the Bible just showing that like presumably The guy who's sending you Bible verses every morning is aware of those passages of the Bible I don't think any Christians aware of the good this guy's got a huge dick and it comes a lot because that's really what that Was yeah, I know but you don't think they're aware of that. I think they are no Next guy this next I goes. This is the real real way don't make him question your faith make him question His but why would that make him question it?

Why would that be the thing to make him there's a lot of things you can do to make them question I feel like but just being like hey check out this passage where they talk about a guy with a huge cock that comes a Lot yeah, I bet that's got you thinking a little bit You know if you told me that being a Christian means I get to have a huge cock that comes a lot I'd be a huge Christian yeah I'm thinking that that's actually gonna validate me if I this guy goes said this person goes this is a great idea so they're all on board with the sentiment Bible verse these guys take off the bat I might wrong, but they do they do have Pastafarian energy a little bit as far as the so slightly more annoying

Chris like slightly they're like slightly more annoying atheists in a way I mean, yeah, cuz they don't believe in Satan most of them I guess there are some schools of thought which believe Satan is a guy I was gonna say if they do if they do believe They're they're kind of this this type of stuff lacks the courage of any conviction whatsoever where it's like You should be able to send a verse of your of your feelings about the world Yeah, and not go like well actually just send him something that will make him look stupid on his own terms Yeah, I think the problem was that is very as you guys are saying that's very like eight that reads very atheist to me That's very like mm-hmm

That's exactly what is this guy goes send him and I don't care And then this guy replies and goes those who remain silent about evil in the world share and culpability It's sort of funny to imagine It's sort of funny to imagine a real Satanist, you know, sort of dark corner of the room, eyes glowing red, looking at the Bible and reading the passage about the guy with the big dick that comes and going, this is disgusting to me. This is vile. big dick that comes and going this is disgusting to me. Vile. This is what kind of shit are you all reading? This guy goes this guy goes, read the satanic Bible. There

are no gods. He gets a reply and goes there are hundreds of thousands of gods. Just check the satanic membership. So there's a bit of just check the satanic membership so there's a bit of he's basically saying everybody in who's a Satanist is a god yes is he saying that in a kind of way like you're all gods and kings or something or is he mean literally is that like the way that they believe okay he's just saying it any of them yeah Chris many of them do not believe there is a Satan. Many of them are just atheists who believe in hedonistic stuff, right? So, I'm an atheist, but I also believe in radical self-interest. And we're going to read a lot about, you know, the easiest way to think about these guys is

libertarian atheists is what they are. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, welcome to the welcome to the words are made up club Basically is what there is what they're doing. Yeah This then the guy the guy that said we're all gods He goes I have four down votes on my comment You can't be saying this on reddit, right? Yeah, you can't say something like that If you get your if you get your comment down voted, you have to accept it It's like ignore it. You have to ignore it. You simply have to ignore it to come in and say What's with the down votes guys is like what?

Worst reddit moves you get to ever make it is humiliating and frankly, it's. Frankly, it's a fallacy to do it. It's an appeal to authority. And I simply, you have no standing whatsoever. I picture Socrates saying that. I hear I've been getting a lot of down votes on the last lecture. What's with all the down votes on my theories lately? The guy goes, maybe you need to consider a Mennonite path or

something more passive than Satanism. For me, if you do evil, I will not remain silent. I will stand up for my rights and protect my own, not like Canada, where you have, where you leave your keys out so the thieves can steal your car and leave your doors open so the criminals can walk in and take what they want from your house. What? That's I live in Canada. I lock my car and my house. Well, this guy got 28 down votes for that. So yeah, that's a that's a stupid thing to say. And it also it's like it's he's one of those guys who's like it's all he ever talks about is that

thing. So he's just like, that's not really what we're even talking about. He's like, not like Canada. And it's like, wait, what Canada? We're talking about religions. What do you mean? How did you jump to that? But that's just what he's always thinking about is freedom and how I wonder if that guy's an American. Here's some jokes. Let's get a few jokes in that guy heard an anecdote like 25 years ago about how Canadians don't lock their door I know exactly where that came from so he heard that anecdote and and it's it has Morphed in his brain over the years to you have to leave your door open in Canada so that criminals can come take your stuff That's why yeah, and by the, like it's just a small town

thing I think. I think in small town America people don't lock their doors either. It's not a, in the big city in Canada, you have to lock your car. People, in fact, we have a big issue with cars being stolen right now in Vancouver. I want to tell you guys don't lock them. That's what I understand. And you leave the keys in them. And I want to tell you that in small towns here Mm-hmm. Those guys have like a security system and a gun and they lock their doors. There's like a different between Canada Is that true? Is that true? But in every small town you really think it's like that in all small towns You don't think small towns exist where there's like an actual community feel to it. We're like Chris

There's like Yellow Springs, Ohio where like Dave Chappelle lives a bunch of hippies, you know Yeah, and that they don't maybe have it But I'm saying that 90% of small towns in the United States are a bunch of paranoid people with guns Yeah, well, I will say a lot of small towns in Canada are paranoid people with guns as well But yeah, yeah a couple of jokes here. This guy goes, I would just send quotes from Bertrand Russell, Christopher Hitchens, Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, lots of great quotes to choose from. And then finally, let's get a joke in here. This guy goes, I like setting Bible verses about hemorrhoids, but to each their own I suppose. Okay. What they happen on your butt. Yeah. No I know

what those are for your information hemorrhoids happen on your butt. That's pretty funny. If there's something in the Bible then I mean there might be something about hemorrhoids in the Bible. I would imagine if they've been around for a long time. All right, let's check in with a plague of a plague of piles. Maybe it's a piles. They used to call them piles. Yeah. Let's take a look at Count Jackula. He's answering a question. Am I really a Satanist? He is talking in his normal voice this time, Chris. It's kind of a let down. Oh, well, that's weird I don't know if there is another one where he reads the nine tenets of Satanism where he talks in the count Jackula voice yeah, but he also says a bunch of like off-the-wall like stuff. I don't want on a He I've known I haven't heard him in his regular voice in a long time. Oh, here you go cool for me

Greetings fellow heathen okay, so his I mean that's not exactly his regular voice I was really funny to sell that is he this is him being normal greetings fellow no he's not he's he is doing kind of the jack of the voice there no but he's not doing it and is doing kind of the Jack in the voice there No, but he's not doing it. Hello. I got her the balance. He's not doing that. He's not doing it as as much Greetings fellow heathens. It is I And this is the start of a very special Video. Oh, you see over the last years, the show has undergone massive transformations,

but none of those individual parts. Sounds like, can I say this? It sounds like you're listening to like an NPR show when those drums kick in, and it's like the guy is explaining, you know, the beginning. It's like Ira Glass in a way, but yeah But hey, you know yeah, it's not really truly like that. Yeah, yeah a Cohesion to it and so I thought it was about time that I tried to bring all the two separate parts of what has okay It's just separate, but I get what you say parts of what has been the Count Jackula show into something a bit more focused.

I've considered doing a video like this for some time, one where I open up about my personal beliefs and thoughts. And while I've done this sort of thing before, I haven't really done so earnestly. And that's because quite honestly, like most people, I'm afraid of ridicule. But seeing as how I've already opened up a bit about my personal beliefs on this. I feel kind of bad now that we're gonna ridicule him. I think I like Jack a little more than a lot of the people that we watch. No you don't. Yeah I do.

I kind of like him. I really like imagining somebody with their, with their, fingers Chapel chapled right he's got his hands together He's got his hands like this and he's saying because I am afraid of being ridiculed and I love that I really love that it's unfair for us to talk about Jack Yola without showing how He's got a interesting look he's got a great look here's some pictures of them You guys go look him up right now. This is Right here. He's the big oh shoot wrong. So that's him. I Bet it looks like Viggo the Carpathian from from

Long hair if you're not yeah, you can go look him up. He's yeah, he's got a unique look. He's very cool Oh shit wrong video. God damn it. I You know, this is sort of an introduction to him. So Here we go Satanic Sunday streams, which you are all welcome to join by the way every Sunday evening starting at 9 p.m Pacific Standard Time.m. Pacific Standard time I think it's time that I actually did Wait, you're just in direct competition with this guy

Yeah, we're fine we stream earlier than that, okay. Yeah, and also here's the thing We're I'm not in car. I'm a satanic guy. So this is fine. Yeah, no, we're on the same team. Him and I, I didn't realizing now. I don't know what a satanist is. I don't think because it's hard to understand because they believe in the Bible, right? No, but the Bible is where Satan is from. Yes. So Anton Leve writes this book right in like 1968 called the Satanic Bible which of course I owned along with like helter-skelter and a few other books just so people the Anarchist Cook book, you know what I mean you get like yeah, it's like Did you read it did you read the Satanic no absolutely

Like why I haven't read the regular body. He didn't read right books. I did read books. I read helter-skelter And The other one the Marilyn Manson book and I only read books by Manson's to tell you the truth. No Anyway, it was like like people would believe that I've read a ton of fucking books. Okay, Brian I know you've read a lot of books now. I'm saying at that age. I don't feel like you read a lot I think you've read a lot of books now. I'm saying at that age. I don't feel like you read a lot I think you became a Big Satanic Bible really does seem like something a lot of people buy and don't read like that's they could get back Yeah, we're gonna do a few like reviews

So anyway, what I understand of it is is no we don't believe in Satan we in the actual being of Satan, right? We're atheists. Okay. The reason we use Satan is because we do the opposite of Christianity is the simplest way to explain it, right? That's why Christianity says upside down. Christianity says don't fucking suck and they're like fuck and suck. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, one of one of the big things they do on their subreddit is they'll post pictures of like meals and be like gluttony. You know what I mean? Like they're very excited because

they're doing a sale. They're excited about gluttony. Are they are they excited then about like being gay? Yes. Like a big part of it. Of all that's hell yeah Get a little up in their feelings about social justice warriors of course, I mean you're gonna Yeah, that's that it seems like there'd be a lot of there'd be some messy weird overlaps of different things there Yeah, like some crazy metal Satanist guy who's like some real kind of dirtbag And you know I don't know that he would be so socially accepting of that part of things, but that is cool. That is cool I love that. I love the fact that they're like, oh the Bible says don't be gay

Well, we're gonna be extra gay in this area. I like that So here's I do I do imagine that there has to be there has to be somebody out there Who's like a real like a real Satanist like Okay, all right. All right, okay Imagining how frustrating getting into this culture would be and being like you just keep running into atheist libertarians What the hell I want to do the rituals and stuff I want to talk to Satan No sacrifice what the fuck yeah, dude, I got all these goats come on My house is always looks like Halloween and this is not fair which a lot of them love Halloween

I'm gonna tell you that right now. That's like one of our favorite This is not fair, which a lot of them love Halloween. I'm gonna tell you that right now. That's like one of our favorite holidays. I hope they don't use inflatables. They would never. This guy goes, people feeling threatened by you, this is theistic Satanism, which means that you do believe in a Satan.

Okay. How do you cope with the fact that when people know who we are, they feel threatened by our very existence, and sometimes it makes them attack us? Oh shit, everyone's so fucking freaked out by us even being here. Look at everybody over there fucking sitting there they must just be like so freaked out by our presence. I love this attitude

this is a cool attitude to have. I think if you're a Satanist that's wearing like a cannibal corpse shirt yeah nobody's like really nervous about you You know what? I mean like if you're wearing death metal t-shirt and a pair of jeans but I do think if you're one of those Satanists that wear like a robe and Like like a cloak. Oh if you're like you look like yeah like a druid or whatever like sort of walking around I mean in today's day honestly I mean I don't bat an eye now because people are like we could be cosplaying and like wearing weird shit all the time. So I don't bat an eye when I see someone

wearing some weird like army fatigues or like some weird shit in public. But yeah, I can understand I guess how somebody who's like painted their face all fucking gray and shit is wearing a druid robe could actually freak people out. I would actually say imagine you're going to parent teacher conferences and there's a guy in a cloak and like all that stuff and a black turtleneck that like comes up in like

single father single father I'd imagine I mean because his wife is not gonna let him wear that to the right. Yeah. Yeah. Well there's some we'll talk about that in a little bit. Maybe maybe maybe she's there and she's only wearing a snake You know like something like that. I that's what I sort of imagine the wife of that guy is That's what I'm saying how both parents are Satanic and they dress like not like heavy metal people because again Nobody cares about that. Nobody even right? Well, you see that you see the kid in the Cannibal Corpse

t-shirt and you just go, okay, that's an IT guy for some company somewhere. But you see the other guy and you're like, this person's independently wealthy. I fundamentally don't trust that to start with. And second of all, they look like they do ritual sacrifices. So, yeah, he's wearing a $15,500 quote cloak and a $1,500 Baphomet necklace. I think this guy is, I don't like that. So this person goes, I limit who knows. I also prepared to

defend myself if required. He gets the reply, the famous Reddit reply. This is the way. And then the guy goes smart. And somebody asks him right like this is the way So they're all so no matter what no matter no matter where you fall on any of this Spectrum or gamut. They're all watching Mandalorian They're all they're all loving baby Yoda like no matter what It is funny to imagine the guy in the cloak watching the Mandalorian It is funny to imagine the guy in the cloak watching the Mandalorian. So anyway, this guy, they asked this guy, how do you prepare to defend yourself? And when I'm reading this, I'm like, well, I brush up on my satanic Bible. I, I get a couple of good Bible verses. I

get a couple of satanic vibe Bible per like prof things. I just fucked that up. I just lost my verses and then like I look at the nine tenants of Satanism and then I talk that no, this guy goes like this MMA classes specifically jiu-jitsu with some striking on the side pepper spray and a knife in case a knife is used against you. But the safest bet is to always get away if possible. Wait, I don't think, nobody mentioned you being physically attacked.

I think you're jumping to conclusions here, like making a huge leap. And this, of course, this is a different type of guy as well. This is an EDC guy, just somebody who's like, hey, always be prepared for every situation that you're in no matter what never find yourself in a situation Where you could be killed? Situational awareness not placing myself or loved ones and sketchy situations to begin with concealed carry Where did we do we change?

People feeling threatened by your existence And it's like it seems like you're dealing with it by threatening them Yeah, wait I think these people are threatened by your existence from other stuff other than the Satanism this particular gentleman I think it's the fact that you Seem like you're always ready to kill somebody I mean, this is psychotic thinking. Imagine that, like, you're just like constantly looking

for, like, making threat assessments when you're like out of Disneyland with your family. The practicing Satanist with the pepper spray ready to go in his hand going like, I try to stay out of sketchy situations. And also, pepper spray is such a soft it's such a weird like old lady way to deal with it too he's like this guy's like I'm a badass Satanist I got my knife I got this and I got my

pepper spray you know like some yeah some fucking Christian comes up like would you like can I just do it a few readings from the Bible? Just spraying them in the face. Spray them and put them in a fucking rear naked joke. Spraying them with pepper spray and choking out a Mormon kid who tries to talk to him at a train station. This guy goes, he does go, he does say CCW with training and program compliance, additional solutions and training related

to non-permissive environments taking a gray man approach to daily life. Now taking a gray man approach to daily life. Brian did you did I just hear that taking a gray man approach to daily life. Is that what he's suggesting. Yeah. And I was wonder I'm kind of still wondering if he's talking about that movie the gray man Yeah, I think he's literally going try to be Jason Bourne he's He's like yeah, he's he's because in the great the gray man is the one with like Ryan fucking what's-his-name, right?

No, it's the it's the one with Chris Evans, right? Evans. Yeah. No, I know I thought he was in it as well I thought Ryan what's-his-name was in it as well Evans, right? Yeah, no, I know. I thought he was in it as well. I thought Ryan, what's his name? Was in it as well. I watched that movie. I watched that movie. So this is very, so this guy is, he's just like living that life, that wick life or whatever, where he's just like, it's, you know what it is. What is a gray man? It says gray man theory, blend in, avoid attention, be prepared for emergencies yeah yeah I mean that's what it is that's that's basically what it is though it's like blending in and making it so nobody can ever sort of like get you or you know like always like being in the background it's

like a real sort of CIA way of thinking of things you know like this guy thinks he's kind of like a special agent definitely I. I like I like this next guy He goes this is how a lot of them talk now. You're gonna get how a lot of these guys talk Okay, you've if you've ever experienced this reaction again after the first time you made a generally unwise decision Just how do you expect the majority of people around you to react when you reveal to them your allegiance to the ultimate symbol of evil? In their eyes or at best declare You are a silly misguided and immature in their opinion The guy replies because you're right and I'm learning a hard way. So a lot of this here seems to be don't tell them

You're satanic Yeah They're basically saying like once the cat's out of the bag You will no longer be respected by anybody in your in your circle and they don't really Like that person sort is that person making fun of Satanists? I don't understand like that was sort of confusing Here's another guy that talks like a Satanist faith shall be something tied to a private intimate sphere So you shall discern who you are talking to before making your views clear. The person is listening. But that rhyme, what it did.

That's nice, didn't it? He should have said this is a poem I wrote. If he would have said this was a poem, we'd all be like, oh, OK. This guy's all who enter here. Beware. Like it's written in that kind of written in that kind of voice. Because the person listening must be someone willing to reflect your beliefs. And here's the thing, Chris and Al, I thought this guy was doing a quote, okay?

Like, cause that sounds like a quote out of some book, right? Nobody talks like this. Well, that is not the case. This is him. Cause in the end he goes, or else you're getting a lot of Ned Flanders on your back. So it was not a quote. He goes or else you're getting a lot of Ned Flanders on your back so It was not a quote and he's worried about Ned Flanders is

Like just like really nice Christian person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then one guy said that tells him to hide his power level Is that that's bad? That's bad to have a lot of Ned Flanders on your you don't want that No, cuz I don't want that no cuz I want that man You gotta shoot him and kill him. They're on your back. Yeah, if they're on your back It's very difficult to get him in a rear naked choke You're gonna have to reverse that and like flip them over the top of you or whatever So one guy says anybody that would feel threatened is supposed to feel threatened Yeah, it's just weird to pick Ned Flanders as your as your guy there

He's he's like nice. He's nice Yeah, yeah Yeah, somebody goes hide your power level and the guy goes What do you mean by hide your power level and as the guy responds it goes it means don't tell everyone you're a Satanist so See, I don't understand that. Why? Why does that? Why is that? Why do you need to hide your power level?

It sounds to me like your power level is the opposite of a power level. If you have to hide it to continue to get respect from your peers. I think that's not what power is. You have to wear your chicken shit power and hide your you got to know. You got to know when to play that card and that is smart because someday someday You're gonna be at you're gonna be talking to the boss at the big company And he's gonna give you a look that tells you that he's in the club and that's when you play your card That's when you play when you're like, oh shit. We're both Satanist and then

That's when you're like oh shit. We're both Satanist and then Yeah, you're you've got the big promotion you and the boss are out at his fucking summer house drinking goat blood Yeah, yeah chasing the muff around I was gonna try to I was gonna try to use the dazed and confused Line there and try to throw in drinking the blood chasing the muff around, but I flubbed it so my apologies Why do all people force to use Christian calendars? I don't see the birth of Jesus a reason to count time for. I proclaim this year to be one AL after liberation. Oh, I see, so making their own calendar.

Yeah. I declare that I am taking one AL right now. Yeah, okay, you can declare a lot. I declare that I actually don't. There's a lot of people like you who like to declare that they're not following the rules. They're known as sovereign citizens, and there's a lot of great videos of them getting tackled in courtrooms.

So what's the date? Oh, it's one. No, no, sorry. I'm going to need you to put the correct date on your on that. What do you fill out that with that paperwork there for your arrest? No, it's one. Today's one. Yeah.

He goes, welcome to say so. He gets in a fight. He deletes all the original thing after that, right? Because he called them all Christian slaves for following the calendar because it's a Christian calendar. Okay. Okay because it's a Christian calendar. Okay. Okay. But then he goes through. I do sometimes consider myself to be a slave to the calendar as well. So I can understand that. Well, I don't mind being a slave to the calendar. It's just being a slave to the Jesus calendar that's bothering me. I'm a

slave to the calendar. I got to admit it. I got I'll come out and say it right now first Yeah, one of it says one on the month. I got things I got to do on that day. It doesn't matter what is happening and if one one one Like if that's the date we're going with now this guy gets to random. I wish I could say that I wish so much I could say today is one one one. Unfortunately, I cannot do that I wish so much I could say today is one one one unfortunately I cannot do that Yeah, my hands are tied I cannot do it I Would love to start over again at one one one and just say hey guess what hey, my name is Chris You've never met me before let me give it another shot. You know

It's one one one your your court date makes no sense to me whatsoever So I simply will not be there. I will not be in attendance and oh, sorry Oh, I missed I missed our anniversary, honey. No, I didn't Anniversary is on 27 That doesn't happen for another six to seven Pelons and that's the new This guy goes so he edits because what he did what I love this man the courthouse has a Christian address I don't think I'll be going there. I

Found a new courthouse be going there. I found a new courthouse that I'm not a slave to. I also like this guy because he gets into a fight with with the whole subreddit and then goes through and edits all of his comments so he looks right every time. That's smart. So I got used to time. Edit. Welcome are Use of time edit welcome to our Satanic temple where apparently the Satanic temple is not Advocating for church and state separation where comments are quite negative when I propose the idea of refusing to comply with Christian state enforced Calendars when church and shit state should be separated for some mysterious reason Either we established a secular worldwide calendar. we have the state except on any religious calendar. I think that's only fair.

So I mean, listen, man, I get, I guess what you're saying. Yes, this calendar is a Chris, it's based it, you know, it's kind of odd. It has these like Cal, you know, Easter and whatever and all these things that we don't necessarily. But I don't know, man. Everyone's just kind of using it now and it kind of works or whatever. It'd be really hard. I feel like as We were discussing I think it would be really hard to exist Using the standard calendar We're just using a different calendar. They need to accept our calendar. Yeah, I don't think they will.

I don't think they will. That's my feeling. I think they will continue to use their calendar. And I think that you will struggle, I believe, if you, yeah. I've been telling Chris about this for a while. I want to fly him out here at the end of June for this thing called ComFest, where- And I forgot to tell you that I have decided

I'm going to fly out at a different day so I can watch the Whitecaps play the Columbus crew this guy. So anyway, so confess is this thing that a bunch of hippies thought up mm-hmm and way back in the 70s or something that is this huge festival called the Community Festival and like a lot of the like the beer sales go to like these leftist charities and like the wine was sold by the Communist Party of of Ohio and stuff like that and like everybody in the town comes to it but one of the things you are allowed to do for no money at all is put up a a tent for your cause you know what I mean so like uh uh last year I was walking around and a guy kind of stopped me and I I was like You know, how's it going? And he was like or I was like what's going on?

He's like I need you to sign this petition and i'm like why is like we need to change the name of columbus And I was like, I mean I get it Yeah, because the guy was an asshole i'm listening i've heard this guy is not he's yeah He's known as one of you know He's a real cretin this guy Columbus. So let us name. What's the what's the new name? But I don't there wasn't a new name because we're gonna vote on that Okay And I said I'll sign it

Okay, that's fine. We're gonna change the name of the state city. I'll sign it. Okay. That's fine. We're gonna change the name of the state city. I'll sign it. I just don't think in our lifetime people will ever call it anything else. You know what I mean? Like they do these they do these things where they let everybody vote on it and then you're stuck with a city called city McCity face or whatever. Yeah. You would you would love to live in city McSitty face. Something that happened here that always has rubbed me the wrong way is the Columbus blue jackets. When we got our NH NHL team, everybody agreed. Like all the polls said this is that we wanted to be the Columbus mad cows. That was just the thing we decided. Cause people call it

a cow town and stuff like that. He mocked up the jerseys, got everything set up and then the guys that own it were like we're not going to be the mad cows. We're going to be the blue jacket. And that's always stuck in my crawl. Like we should be the mad cow. You know what I mean? So I guess, you know, you just can't, you can't beat city Hall is what I'm saying this guy Yeah, so the fact I think we had kind of a similar thing here where the our local baseball team Was called it was you when they were thinking of what to name our local baseball team The obvious choice was we'll call them Louisville sluggers Yes

For I mean, I think pretty obvious reasons Louisville Slugger did not want to be associated with one baseball team. That's right. So instead they compromised and they did, I think they had a vote on it. And it was maybe they were gonna be called the Louisville Bats, which makes sense. It's a little bit like knockoff.

It's a little bit knockoff. It's a little bit go-bots or something to call yourself the Louisville Bats. But then what they ended up landing on was the Louisville River bats So it's an actual bat is the mascot is Let's check it with Jack over here that makes it a bit more real So let's start by answering a question. I've gotten more than a few times More than are you really?

smart See the answer for these guys is is no right seems like the short answer for these guys is no Yeah, I well. Yeah, he's I think he's a Satanist though. He's a Satanistic and say he's a Satanist I believe this is a thing. He must like work in a comic book store or something. You know what I mean? I think so. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I wonder what he does. Yeah, a hobby shop or something like that Yeah, for sure. That's what he doesn't work at Amazon. You know what I mean? No, I don't think so Yes Remember this all right? I don't think so. Yes Which along with the slightly more infamous Church of Satan is one of the two major branches of

American Satanism and yes, there are actually two major branches Satanism is like any other religious club. It has disagreements rivalries, and schisms. And the largest division is between the Church of Satan, which was created by Anton LeVay back in the 60s. See, now, for people that can't see this, Anton LeVay is on the screen. Now, Anton LeVay is the guy that I think of when I think of a satanic guy that would scare people.

Yeah. This is really funny to me to to get so fast to yeah We're just like every other religious Like even people talking about their religious organizations will not volunteer that it is just like every other But thing out there like it's But they need that how it's different they are different because they're trying to be accepted as a right basically right whereas They're sort of seen as this difference anti religion, and they're trying to say like no no We are an organized religion in the same way. That's all the other ones I get it is really funny to say it

It's really funny to be like no. We're just we might as well be Episcopalian You know we might ever pick it just pick one of the other ones Honestly honestly get direct TV get direct TV it's pick one the thing is like pick one of the other ones and We're kind of like that but the opposite pick the bad guy and one of the other ones But yeah, that's why they have to say it because they're thought of as opposite anti religion And they're always sort of trying to say like hey, we are religion We need to be you know, like our rights should be

Protected in the same way other religions are and stuff. Let's hear more about this Gizmo's and the satanic temple which was created in 2012 Can you go back? Who is that guy? I don't think he likes him, maybe. I don't know here. Fated by Anton Lavey back in the 60s and the Satanic Temple, which was created in 2012. I mean, which is a very old and venerable organism.

I just wanted that guy. He had a glass eye and the other guy who he doesn't seem to I don't know but isn't he say he's part of the Satanic temple? Well I think he explains it which one he's a part of. ...that was certainly not a satirical protest by a Harvard neuroscience student that got way out of hand Alright look alright if your mind fills with visions Satanic rituals led by Anton Lavey. There we go

I'm gonna cut I'm gonna find a picture of Anton Lavey and his his stuff now Horns Anton Lavey vase wearing a child's devil See on Halloween with fucking red devil horns and a little like Widow's Peak black I think in the middle like Grandpa Munster this guy looks ridiculous He's gonna poke you in the butt with a fucking pitchfork Monster Right this guy's the least scary guy I've ever seen in my life I know that he's like right now. There's like a chalice. That's like covering his Intimidating goatee so you can't really even see that but right now. He looks like an absolute So you can't really even see that but right now he looks like an absolute buffoon wearing a child's devil costume

He looks like a cookie mascot right now Yeah, and Involving Hollywood stars like Jane Mansfield Sammy Davis jr. And Marilyn Manson Then you're thinking of the Church of Satan. Okay. Yeah. What if instead your mind conjures up images of a statue of Satan placed in front of the Oklahoma State Capitol next to the Ten Commandments? That's the Satanic Temple. Good. Okay. So now we kind of understand.

That's the one I belong to. So wait. Ah, Dracula's part of the Satanic Temple and not the Church of Satan. temple good okay so now we kind of one yeah I belong to a Jackal is part of the Satanic temple and he's of Satan and he said that that one's a so he's doing this as a joke kind Of he's sort of saying yeah, no I believe he's saying that Brian because he's kind of saying like oh it definitely wasn't started by some Harvard Neuroscience and it has a big joke that just got out of hand or whatever. So he seems tongue-in-cheek about it I believe is what he's saying that he doesn't take it seriously like the Anton Lavey people. I think I like the certificate. That's the read. He's like I'm in the I'm

in the by your logic chapter of sadism. I mean shout out to our friend Felix. Yeah we love Felix. This guy gets certificate of he's got a certificate of membership and it says to whom these presents shall come. Be it known that by virtue of authority vested in me, I hereby constitute Count Jackula, a member of the. That's how I know it's not a real religion. You have to have your real name on there, I think. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Your, yeah your Christian name

Let's look into the calendar guy again. This this guy replies and goes good luck with having your own calendar I once lived in the part of North Arizona that didn't mess with daylight savings time calls me no end of trouble in scheduling with People just a few miles away This guy is like being so reasonable. This is such a like, yeah, like you think you're going to, like people change like one hour and it fucks things up immensely. This is a known thing in business too. Is there's like certain things

like don't do daylight savings or whatever, or there's like the weird switch over and it just fucks up all kinds of stuff with logistics and shit like that. So yeah this guy I mean he's just gonna I want to put the old piece gonna say in response to this Well, he also has this line that I think you're gonna love and if you dig a bit deeper You will find that Christian holidays have been conveniently grafted into very ancient pagan ones And why not enjoy the Norse days of the week and the Roman months while you're doing your research? So that's logical

Because Satan told me that was that was bad or something. I don't know. I don't know maybe it maybe It's just it's weird. It's weird to be like so why not enjoy the pagan delights Joy Christmas I know! It is funny to say, why not enjoy Christmas? You know what I mean? He's right though, he's right. It is funny, but he's right. No, he's totally right. He's totally right. He's saying, hey, this comes from a place of weirdness that I don't agree with,

but hey, Christmas is usually a pretty fucking nice time with a family and a nice meal and hang out and see everybody. Just enjoy it. And then finally, the last comment here And then I'm gonna get to some reviews of the Satanic Bible It goes you need to get yourself over to the Church of Satan mate They'll absolutely fucking love you and then OP responds it goes. I think they involved I don't think they involve themselves in politics. I think you need to get yourself over to Christianity Who's that who's saying saying that? That's the

Opie that said that to a guy who said you're in the wrong. Oh, he's trying to say like get over to the church of Satan. This is satanic temple. Is that what he's saying? Like, so he's saying like, and then he's just like, buddy, you're so fucking off the rock or you're not even say to Satan, whatever you're fucking Christianity. You're the That's a roast that's a roast there Wow, okay The two branches of American Satanism seem like they have less in common than any other like branches of religious

like other like branches of religious like Doctrine that I've ever heard of where that one of them is essentially just doing political stunts and jokes and the other one is Trying to get Sammy Davis jr. To come over and do like Virgin sacrifice yeah, you know in there Yeah, it almost seems like maybe one of them is making fun of the other one Yeah, probably yeah, it almost seems like maybe one of them is making fun of the other one Yeah, probably. Yeah, let's read Let's read some reviews from Amazon five-star reviews of the Satanic Bible written by Anton Leve What was his background at the time? I don't know. I think he was trying honestly what I think he was trying to do in the end was get taxed the tax thing.

You know what I mean? Oh, Chris churches don't have to pay taxes. I'm a fucking satanic church. You know, a lot of the writer and a musician. Yeah. That's cool. I'd love to hear some of his music. I'll bet his music is the worst music you've ever heard in your entire life. I'm gonna see if I can find some. So anyway, yeah, we should, we should listen to some. I I'm curious. I don't, I that's funny. I don't think I've ever heard any. I'm looking to see if I can get my hands on some kind of music. Oh, got it. Got one. Let's do this. Let's listen to a little bit of Anton Lovay everybody. And everybody and I and his is like really old-time music, too

I think that and he did like covers of stuff. So I think it's gonna I don't think it's gonna be satanic If he worked it he worked at a circus as well. I was reading about it. He worked with big cats at a circus Pulling up the pulling up a tub of a music and it's like No, this is this is a satanic album. Yeah. This looks it's called satanic mass. Here we go Here we go, and this was recorded live at the Church of Satan. Is this just gonna be a talk? Nope Okay, so it's just Just sounds like a Hammer Horror score.

His other albums are called... Can you... So he's got two other albums. Satan Takes a Holiday? The third album is called Strange Music. Hell yeah. Here we go. Here we go here we go Take the holiday. This is gonna be his less Baxter Okay, so he's leaning in Come on Anton he's playing a church organ. It sounds like he's playing a church organ, probably a fake one though. Here he goes. I mean at least like distort the organ or something. Run it through like a run it through a martial stack.

I love it. This is great. Can we listen to a bit more of this? This is great. I want to get to the chorus. I want to get to aggravating rhythm. That's the way the Satan takes a holiday. You know what this is? This is his... he... He was trying to have his own Monster Mash.

It was absolutely Anton LaVey's Monster Mash. Anton LaVey's like I want to have a monster mesh and it fails and he's like fine. I'm the Church of Satan now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's read this review from Blorton Adler five stars. He goes great quality but sometimes hateful employees will vandalize your copy before sending it to you. doesn't He goes first off I love how half the reviews that are one star low because the people who wrote them don't agree with the message the book Contains I'm sorry. I thought reviews were supposed to be about the quality of a product Not whether or not you agree with the products message the other half that these are these are these reviews are of Anton Levese

Satanic book right? Yeah Man, I guess you're technically you're technically right Maybe but I don't even know if you are because I think that it's pretty standard To like just review something whether or not you like it, right? Like you're reviewing it and saying like I watch a movie and I'm like, oh, I really didn't like this movie I gave it a bad review because I thought all of it was bullshit I really didn't like this movie. I gave it a bad review because I thought all of it was bullshit. Yeah. And that's allowed. He goes the other half that we're actually claiming poor quality look like some childish hoodlum decided to deface a bookstore's property out of spite for the writer as if hurting the store somehow hurts the writer and the store

didn't notice before mailing him out. But those things are ironically strong evidence reinforcing the points made in this book People who don't even bother to learn about something before they jump straight to trying to destroy it no thought-given No objectivity not even so much as an attempt at peace only mindless destruction Anyways to the actual review part of the review And that's how see and takes a hall of the review. And that's how Satan takes a holiday. I was just I looked up the chief like points of Anton LaVey's satanic Bible because I don't even know what they are. I don't even know what his point of view was. And Brian, I don't know how much you looked into

this as you were... I've looked into it in the past. I didn't do it as much this time. Oh, called your ass out, Brian. Called your ass out. So, the things that jumped up here present Satanism not as the worship of an actual being, but as a symbol of humanistic values like self-assertion, rebellion, and vital existence, emphasizing indulgence and liberation over hypocrisy and repression." Now, this hypocrisy thing, I think if you were trying to marry the two branches of American satanic doctrine, you could use that hypocrisy as a way to say, hey, we're both against the hypocrisy of the big name religions.

I don't think they're looking to marry them because I think, again, I really do believe that the one was created in a way to mock the other ones. I don't think they're looking to like, you know, the satanic temple wouldn't be looking to like find common ground with the group that they're making fun of. I don't know though. I mean, I think they were more concerned with making fun of like other religions

than they are making fun of specifically satanism. But here's the only other, I just wanted to get to that. The only other thing that I thought was interesting when I quit Google of this Lave also says that a Satanist would never sacrifice a baby. Hey All right That's good to hear a Satanist would never sacrifice a baby or an animal as they are pure carnal beings and considered to be sacred that so there's like a rule against Sacrifice in this in the satanic Bible. I mean, that's the I mean, yeah. So the first stuff that you said is, Brian, you did cover

that to defend you. I mean, just the idea of it being sort of like, you know, like a rebellion against what it is and them not actually believing that there's a real Satan, that it's like a figure, that it's like, you want them to believe there's a real Satan, that it's like a figure, that it's like a, yeah. You want them to believe there's a real Satan, I think, in the end. Like, that's the way I am. I'm like, these guys are just libertarians. I'll read you something real quick. Well, that's, yeah, I guess I just wanted to know,

like, which side of the, because it seems like we keep, people keep pointing it towards something that might actually be what I think of as Satanism, which is like like you're you're carving into your own flesh on a star that you've carved into the into the floor or whatever like I'm just I nobody seems to be going anywhere near that no Seems to mostly exist in your mind how because I yeah I don't think I don't think I had ever really thought that I'll be honest

I'm not trying to be rude But I didn't ever kind of think that that type of person existed what I thought of Satanist I I didn't think that there was people who were you know, maybe like a few but like I thought it would be so niche That it wouldn't be like a movement of people who are just like yeah Acting in that extreme of away. Let's read. Let's read Only looking for clarity Chris. That's all I'm looking for. I'm not hey you came to the wrong podcast This guy goes this guy had our Satanism this is a question This is gonna really let you guys get to know one of the other weird things

Yeah shoplifting One of the satanic rules of the earth on the Church of Satan website is do not take that which does not belong to you unless It is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved Would this include shoplifting from big business or only from individuals? I occasionally shoplift necessities, pretty much only food when it's needed. I'm very careful about it, just interested in being a Levan Saintness and wanna know if this could exclude me in any way. Now.

Well, they kicked me out because I shoplift. Now, that's the question, and what do you, the answer in your mind is obviously no. Not gonna keep you. Yeah, I would think that you should be able to steal if you're if you're a Satanist. Well, you should be a big part of it is like because they say thou shalt not steal in the Bible. Right. Aren't you doing the opposite or well, I don't know. This person goes. I think there are a few ways to look at it. First, you're

taking something that doesn't belong to you. But if you're starving and don't have food, stealing food may be considered self preservation to a point. However, most Satanists wouldn't consider breaking laws self preserving because they can lead to detrimental consequences from fines up to loss of freedom. Ultimately, you're going to have to decide for yourself. You say when it's needed, but most Satanists I know would go pretty far to make ends meet before breaking laws that could get them arrested it ruin their chances of getting future employment to support

themselves a lot of employers are on background checks and theft is often a deal-breaker for any business. These guys are square man. You do not need to bring Satan into what you're talking about. Yeah, it doesn't have it. It's just regular lifestyle. That was already there. All that thought was already there before Anton Levese came around. This is a square way of thinking. Of course you're not going to win. I mean, the shoplifter is going to be repercussions. I mean, you know, like when I think about your job prospects, I mean, it's smart, but it's really, it's not the way I think a Satan is like fucking jamming out to like fucking metal ass music. Like, you know, like Satan takes a holiday. Yeah, I don't picture them as really caring about that kind of stuff. Like some cross punk or

you know, like guy who's just like, yeah, like you like some cross punk or you know, like guys just like, yeah, like you said, dress like, you know, wearing like a fucking what are those things called the five point the pentagram or whatever. Yeah. Just like wearing that shit like smoking cigs and shit. I'm not, I'm not thinking that they're just like, well, I should consider how this could look on a job application down the line if I were to shoplift and be prosecuted for it Well, and you're like, that's just one person's answer. Well the next answer. I guess this is a gray area fundamentally Satanism Is a man area? Yeah, it could be it's a law and order philosophy

It has a large focus on being responsible on being able to enjoy your life and freedom Satanism and the Church of Satan do not endorse illegal activities. On the other hand, self-preservation is the highest law. And if it's food that you genuinely need in order to live, for example, not candy or alcohol, then one could understand though, not dude, dude, candy. If you're stealing candy, you're going to heaven. I mean, that's making it sound like alcohol and candy are frowned upon by like just in general are frowned upon by the

Yeah, I mean I mean the health effects how you got to consider I mean Health effects and not to live you know that you want to live a long full life Yeah, you don't want to feel like you always have to escape from your reality if you're dealing with in that type of way It's like yeah, I mean you need to go and get out probably I also like the idea that it's like Well, if you're stealing broccoli, I think that's okay I think Bielsa bubble let it let it slide if you're stealing some broccoli. But yeah, he's not a big fan of candy, to be honest. This guy goes, however, many would argue that a Satanist should ensure that they don't end up in such a situation through the application of the philosophy, lesser magic, responsibility

for thought and planning. I can't speak to your current situation, nor if you truly are only stealing food that you would otherwise die without But these are the philosophical aspects of Satanism Relevant to the discussion. I don't think it's supposed again like how I said, I don't think it's Satanism Those are just philosophical discussions about like being a person and just sort of like, you know integrity and shit like that I don't think here's a good one. Here's a It's really funny to imagine yourself at the grocery store and you're looking down at that Snickers bar

and the clerk is turned completely around and you've got on one shoulder, you've got the little angel and on one shoulder you've got the little devil and the devil is going, ah, I don't know, I don't know. Let's check the calories on that thing. Both of them are telling you,

that's actually, honestly, that's not so good for you. You know, they're in agreement on this one. You know, well, here's a great one, guys. This is a good comment. As a business owner, I assure you legally, a corporation is a person, at least in the United States. I'm not as familiar with international law. Yeah, it's called.

And he goes, he explains with the big chains. It's not even like the owner who you're indirectly impacting. He goes, right. It's all the other people that you're impacting employees, suppliers, customers, people who also have families and lives to take care of. So this guy. That's not true. I think and I and by the way, I, of course, I went on Howell's podcast before and we did a song and I did a song What's stealing from your job? job a great fucking tune one of the all-time

Yeah, one of your bet like how many great as ramble but you know Those are two those are two truly great songs from see how You don't have to come on. Let's be real. Let's be real here I mean there was it's two different things we're talking about but yeah how old deserves all the credit for the song, but I I Just I think that that's a little bit of a stretch to say that the people most Impacted by your stealing are not the people who are running the business. I think the people running the business are most impacted by it. Definitely.

Finally, finally, this guy goes, I have to respectfully disagree as my own version of Satanism is transgressive and defiant, especially in the face of mundane social rules. Finally, finally, we find the one guy, the one guy who's Satanism is transgressive and defiant. Finally! Come on! What we were looking for, a truly f***ing panic individual is someone who is dangerously intelligent enough to walk the fine line of outlaw without fear. Oh, this guy rules, Brian.

What's this guy's name? Does he have a name? Apocalypse noun? Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ. I love this guy. Can you read that again? Can you read this thing again?

The thing about walking the fine line, or like walking the line and knowing in beings. This is beautiful. This is beautiful. Because I have to respect. Be cunning enough to be. I have to respectfully disagree as my own version of Satanism is transgressive and defiant,

especially in the face of mundane social rules and attempts to impose control. In my opinion, a truly Satanic individual is someone who's dangerously intelligent enough to walk the fine line of outlaw without fear. That's dangerously intelligent enough to walk the fine line. That's the only response I'm getting that I'm getting that on a t-shirt in a bunch of different fonts.

Dangerously intelligent enough to walk the fine line of outlaw without without fear. It's one response and the guy goes, yeah. Okay, professor chaos. Yeah, so it didn't really get the responses that he was looking for on the boards. He was just like, yeah, it's time to fucking lay down and like everyone's just nobody. Like he was this was a trial. They're grown. They're growing. Shit.

This is a deck in his mind. He was going to say it to like a chorus of like like in like ancient Rome like yes like you know like just say and and it was just great for like pitchforks. Yeah like yeah this is our leader now and and everyone is just like all right man stealing candy is wrong. These are the biggest nerds. So finally I'll read you a joke by this guy I found who is an active member of the Church of Satan. His name's Philip. He's on Quora and he'll probably come up another time because he has some very funny

posts. Chris has to leave when we don't want to talk about him behind his back when he leaves, you know what I mean? And this guy goes, what are the best examples of a one one joke film? He answers The Passion of the Christ I thought this film was one big joke good thing. I never saw it Oh Well, okay So you know the concept of it was

No, you didn't actually watch it. Yeah, I Film was one big joke and I never saw it Yeah, and that's funny Brian just to be clear. You don't have to say that Chris has to leave and that's why Because a lot of people are like, oh I wish the episode was longer people listening to it They're like, oh, I'd love an hour and 40 minute episode now They know it's my fault and there's just no need for it. This has to go do something that's more important than podcasting. I Genuinely do All right, nothing well, I'm sorry

I know I'm I mean my office door and I'm so I'm gonna apologize because my dog has decided to sit right outside my office door and bark We're trying to be nice to our Like how will has sent a message saying the dogs not gonna stop barking and I try I decided to take the bullet there Because guess what I'm fucking Dangerously smart enough to walk the line of being a fucking outlaw So I also have to leave because I have to prep a bonus show and those people pay okay I have to leave right now though. All right. Well see how old you got anything you want to plug? I almost just ended the show like Yeah, yeah, I'll just I'll plug my podcast fast track

Which is back and which is gonna have Brian on it very soon and I saw it again hopefully soon and I'll plug my twitch stream which is twitch.tv slash big hell dawning. Yeah Listen that fast track and go back and listen to the episode that I was on the I was on listen to the one I was on and just be like holy shit They just go to the end and listen to the song at the very least and be like, holy shit this song But anyways, how was incredibly talented musician and it's a great concept for a podcast and has a bunch of people who have been on Here, so if you haven't checked it out, go check out fast track. I'm excited

It's back by the way the fucking patreon if you want more satanic stuff because I assume we're gonna be goofing on them for Months to come. Yeah, I just backed're gonna be goofing on them for months to come Yeah, I just backed up on them and then on my camera. You could see my thighs. Okay. Bye. Hello