Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 119 - Classic Rock Guys III With Chris Wade

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

It is that time of year again. It is the only squeakquel that we do. We checked in on the classic rock guys after their best time of the year, the rock and roll hall of fame inductions. We had our friend Chris Wade on the show to check in with Michael Noland who is in rare form this year and some reddit freaks who are very mad about some of their favorite bands not getting in. We also spent some time with Phish Phans, consoling them. You can find Chris on Chapo Trap House which is a show with a bunch of guys that I love There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST and I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Hello Cleveland! Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. It's the third annual because the because the the cursed rock and roll Hall of Fame inductees have been announced. Is it? Are they so guys episode? They're still calling it that they're still calling it the rock and roll Hall of Fame. Now you know they refuse to change the name. The guy came out and damn said it himself.

I have a post of people responding to him believe it or not people were not happy when he said we will never call it the music Hall of Fame and I love him for it but there's a few grenades but we always have to bring in our music expert both of the classic rock guys episode Chris Wade hi Chris hi guys I'm Chris Wade and I love rock and roll that might be one of the best intros first lines from a guest ever I mean honestly who doesn't love a little rock and roll what Chris I'm gonna want him Chris Wade Wade and porno Chris

But Chris Wade and porno Chris Chris porno Chris only listens to fleet Fox. I don't only bandie likes Wouldn't even call that rock and roll and then Call it that's probably true. It's folk music. It's folk music and I did used to like it We've been over this so many times. I have a bunch of different other bad I like a lot of really heavy music actually mostly fleet foxes. They're heavier songs. You told me I Like dead meadow. Do you know dead meadow? Is that a fleet foxes. They're heavier songs. You told me I Like dead meadow. Do you know dead meadow? Is that a fleet foxes song? Fuck off

I'm going to concert tomorrow. This will already be out already be home, but I'm seeing sonic temple So that is with with a media pass Yeah, you brought this up a lot. Which does not let me get on the lawn. Number one. They won't let me on the lawn I'm not allowed to take any pictures and The only band they'd offered for me to interview was over zoom and it was three doors down And you didn't take the opportunity to do a zoom interview three doors down. I know them I would put three doors down as like some some peak like Iraq war era music. Yeah

Definitely. Yeah, they were definitely around when I saw the towers fall. Yeah. Yeah You know, I believe Felix from Chappo is referred to the song crazy Superman several times About it is is like When John Colin my friend went and asked for the thing. I was like, hey, I Don't want to do any interviews with any of these guys at all. I don't want to meet any of them I don't want to talk to him on zoom. I don't want to talk to him after the show I don't want to I don't have any contact with any of the bands So I was assured that it's not problematic to turn down interviews

Why did you why did you why didn't you just get a fucking ticket to the show? Like you don't want any of I don't want to pay Okay, but you love. You love paying for stuff. Not for concerts and stuff. This is actually a good handshake because I am also going to a big show next weekend with a media pass. My wife and I are heading out to Salt Lake City to go to Kilby Block Party, which is a really nice festival that they've been putting on out there, in which two of the bands that I'll be happy to see, are Devo in New Order, who are playing the Thursday night there.

Two of the snubs from this year, so, you know, good little handshake. Are you telling me Devo's didn't get in, and yet they let some of the non-rock and roll bands, I mean, I don't wanna get into it, but. Yeah, I don't wanna get too political, but you're putting a Cyndi Lauper in? Yeah, it's like, oh don't want to get into it, but yeah, I don't want to get too political, but you're putting a Cyndi Lauper in originators of mutant rock and roll Devo

I'm gonna tell you somebody that's really mad kind of about Cyndi Lauper, but then in the end talks himself into Here we go Oh Michael Nolans here by the way. This is this video is called the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame strikes again Michael No, this is one of his streams. I had to watch two hours Michael Nolan he his caves are immense today He's got huge hair caves today for people you click this video I posted this on blue sky to Royce went on at the same time as him It was sick. Dude is that Michael was are you playing that right now? No, no, no, no. This is here we go I mean, I'm into his like affliction level t-shirt here

Oh, we can get it. We can find out what it is our listeners find them every time he comes up They're like, here's this t-shirt. They're usually from team or something Affiliate marketing I want to I want the the the shop this look link in the YouTube description yeah, I mean, you know think about the volume of Customers that these shirt companies would get if they were advertising that this is like think about how many people are watching this right now Seeing this sort of half skull, weird wavy Ed Hardy style. You know.

Although slip knot, but not slip knot. It looks like kind of like the newspaper. It's thin and it has like three buttons on the top as well. You know what I mean? It's like not as a waffle. It's like a printed Henley. Yeah, but you know everyone's watching this video going, I need that.

Look, I know we're gonna Jump in and and you know we have some fun. Have some fun with this. I do kind of have to say that I'm impressed with Mr.. Knowles is a streamer guys sorry, Mr.. Nolan, Mr.. Nolan Sorry, so he would be so mad at you You do not want to make him mad. We've seen what he does to other people. Yeah, no, I apologize for interrupting there, but I just wanted to make sure,

if he heard that for a second, and it's like you hadn't corrected yourself right away, I don't even know what would have been in store for you. I am genuinely kind of impressed with his streamer guy setup, with the backlit red, you know multi level Desk behind the behind line everything I see it. Sorry like that guy his age doing this pulling off that

You like twitch streamers set up look I you know He's he's got his aesthetics down. His aesthetic is very good. His aesthetic is no doubt very good I mean, it's like it's like got some real corny shit on there, but it's still it looks good and and it works It's like we watched him unbox a few of those Led Zeppelin things. Yeah Understand he doesn't understand what an unboxing is but neither do a lot of the guys we watch they They actually will say let me open this box and then do an edit and then come back and this stuff's just sitting there it's like no you're on your show but here here we go this is his first little thing here and that goes for tonight anything i have to say about the rock and roll

hall of fame uh tonight will uh be open to debate of course and I want to hear from you just like this deal with Oasis all right Oasis deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame agreed there is no doubt completely talented band a band made up of people I'm not crazy about. But I'm- He's got more. He's got more here. Here you go. I'm also a major Bruce Springsteen fan. I'm not crazy about, you know, Mr. Billionaire. I'm not crazy about Roger Waters,

but man, the second he puts out something worth listening to, I'm going to be there. And there's, you know, I don't have to like a star or a rock artist or band, their personalities or anything to enjoy their music. Their art is greater than them. Always in my mind. And okay, that's very magnanimous. Yes. He separates the artists. And them, always in my mind. Okay. That's very magnanimous.

Yes. He separates the art from the artist. Kind of, but he doesn't like anybody. Well, and also, just to be clear, yeah, he's able to, he can appreciate their music even if he doesn't like them so long as they are an older white man who looks similar to him. It is also like, you know, I think this is a mentality that you do have to take into rock music, especially classic rock music,

a genre populated by all time scumbags. But it is very funny to point out Springsteen and Waters, who I imagine that his dislike is for perhaps some of their more progressive based politics yeah it's sort of it's sort of odd it's going the opposite way that yeah really because like for it you're right about that Chris because like my friend Brian for example do you know who one of his three favorite musicians is Danzig yeah exactly you know so it's like my second my first favorite is

Peter Steele and he's got no worse politics. You've ever Wing politics and Pete. Yeah, that's yeah boy. That's my point Is that like yeah you Brian really has to separate he obviously obviously isn't a fan of what they're about but hey Look I of what they're about but he loves that. Look, I can get down with all the drug abusing rapists that populate 70s music but I draw the line at supporting Palestine. Look, we have to have some standards here but if the music slaps, look, we can still get down. We can still get down and listen to it.

It's just like, yeah, we'll never respect them or like give them money or whatever. I like calling Mr. Bruce Springsteen, Mr. Billionaire. I don't listen. Maybe he's a billionaire, right? I don't think he is. I think Michael has had a history of not understanding numbers at all. Like he's listed album sales that are would mean that three people, I mean, everybody on the planet bought the album three times or whatever.

But let's get to some posts here. Like I said, this is John Sykes. He goes, this is from our slash rock, a new subreddit. I've never been on our slash rock now. They like Marilyn Manson a lot over there, which is insanely problematic If you mention the accusations Well, I mean speaking about separating art from the art I mean, I just made this jokingly post but Marilyn Manson just put out a new song

Last week a cover of in the air tonight one of frankly my all-time favorite songs and I kind of had to do like the well you know hate the guy but love him taking a stab at one of the classics yeah so why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame won't change his name despite multiple stars complaints I don't think multiple so I mean if Michael Nolan's a star that That's the only one I've seen I feel like the rock genre could no longer have anything for itself. Oh Yeah, like it's a person yeah

He goes it's apparent that the rock and roll Hall of Fame is now geared toward all music despite keeping its namesake And it's more like a giant popularity contest where inductors are chosen by a select few. What are your thoughts? Now, number one, I want to throw this out there. Isn't it a popularity contest? It is 1000% of popularity. Isn't that like the whole idea behind it? Isn't that how you want it to be? What's the alternative? Yeah. I mean, look, would I be pleasantly surprised if the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2026 was like and for their Excelling in the 80s underground scene. We're nominating the frogs the frogs ladies and gentlemen, or you know something like that, but I What do you think this is? Yeah

Hall of Fame like how famous in the name? Yeah, I'm famous they are so that the fame I, is measured by sort of how many people are aware of you and know about you, right? This guy goes, and that's not to even talk about how much metal in particular has been snubbed. And believe me, I'm with this guy. You know, I love my heavy metal. Iron Maiden's been nominated how many times

without being inducted? Judas Priest isn't even inducted in the main category. They're in the Sidemen category. Where's Motor scorpions Pantera Slayer Dio thin Lizzy I guess they need to make room for all the hip-hop and R&B acts hmm now this guy does respond like this guy this guy rocks I don't want to be a downer but there are only 12 hip-hop acts in the hall of fame out of 400 total acts. Nobody ever says the numbers, you know, because if you listen to these guys, they will make you think that like it's more

than half or whatever, like that, that every year they induct like eight people and six of them aren't rock and roll. And that's not Well, guess what's happening in my opinion. I feel as if that is 11 too many Because I'm giving a pass to run DMC for their relationship to Aerosmith. Yes Yes, they get the back door through the the Aerosmith connection Even like this year's nominee list this is like pretty straight down the middle rock

you know I'm sure we'll hear some objections to outcasts but oh yeah anyway you know what hey is one of the great rock songs of the 21st century. Excuse me it's not rock. It doesn't have an older guy with graying hair playing a guitar. Okay, so it is- You know what he says? This is great. And I don't know if I got this audio because it was long. It was like a long explanation he had, but he's like, here's the thing. Rap music comes from the inner city.

Okay? Rock music does not. Rock music comes from the plantations and the suburban parts of the country. And that's why they're different. And they should have different halls of fame. And I was like, that's an insane that's such an insane way to get rid of like the the rock like rap out of rock and roll. I say, I, well, it's from the inner city. Okay. Yeah, I am interested.

I would like to drill into a geographic essentialist take on rock music that, you know, you have to have like a population density of under a certain number of people to be considered rock and roll, you know? Well, and this is my thing about halls of fame for anything but sports. They should not have them and this is my thing about halls of fame for anything but sports. They should not have them.

They should not have any halls of fame for anything. Because you can objectively know that the guy you're putting in or woman you're putting in for a sport deserves to be in there, because there's statistics that say it. I'm even like that with my man Dave Meltzer's pro wrestling hall of fame. I don't think it should exist. I don't like that with my man Dave Meltzer's pro wrestling hall of fame. I don't think it should exist. I don't think any of them should.

Well maybe they should just drill down and do a formula that's like units sold versus overall concert tickets times number of number one singles and then just every year it's like there's no decision it's just an automatic who hits the top top list that year as they like qualify by duration of career but I think it is I think the reason they would never do anything like that is because then some people get in that they don't want in there for real yeah you know what I mean but I think like also the way these guys talk so this guy goes 97% of the hall of famous rock musicians. The problem is there are way too many great slash influential

artists over decades of music for every single one of them to get their due when only five to seven get inducted each year. The number needs to increase to 10 to 12 per year to unclog the log jam. Now this is where I, this is it, okay? Like Bad Company got in this year. I think they should have left them out because some big bands can't make it in. You know what I mean? Like you're hearing people say, why isn't Fog Hat in?

Why isn't Boston in? Look, some people don't get in. That's part of being. Fog Hat can't get in. I'm afraid to say Fog Hat just doesn't make the cut. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you have to, no offense to Fog hat, fog hat can't get. I'm afraid to say fog hat just doesn't make the cut. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you have to, no offense to fog hat, but it's just, they're just kind of not at the like,

they're not right at the top of the heap. But Bad Company is a perfect band to say, I mean, sorry, you're just under the line. Yeah, you're really good and you were great, but it's like, this is the Hall of Fame This is like the greatest from each era He goes the number so and we don't need to unclog the log jam either Jam it up. Yeah, no, yeah, let's go down three inductees a year three inductees a year

And they have to fight each other in a fistfight We wouldn't we want to increase prestige not decrease prestige. It's my same problem inductees a year. Three inductees a year and they have to fight each other in a fist fight. We want to increase prestige, not decrease prestige. It's my same problem with increasing best picture nominees to 10 because they want to appeal to some populist instinct. No, I'm sorry. You're the Academy Awards. Your point should be looking out at the unwashed tasteless masses of America and saying, no, these five movies are the actual good movies that came out this year and they're all artsy for you that joke that people say of like oh all film bros want to watch like a 10-hour Italian movie about it You know like a poor guy

Cobbling shoes. Yes. Those are the good movies and you need an academy of professionals to tell you that they are The good movies and you need an Academy of professionals to tell you that they are Dark night, yeah, yeah 2025 best picture the 30th year in a row English patient. Have you watched it? Yeah, go watch it Yeah, you haven't probably watched it you Marvel fucking do this go watch it That's why it's the fucking bad Marvel movies because they feel like they have to yeah You saw Thunderbolt you saw you saw Marvel and this is So but I saw Brian it was Brian has this okay. He has this cool thing though Brian It's like he's like he noticed everybody thinks that it's he told me he does this because he thinks it's a cool thing

He says he says he noticed everyone's liking this one. So he's like this one's actually not good I actually like no bad. I don't think I did not say that. I like that. First of all Yeah, I gave this two and a half stars, which is actually a decent Word-for-word you said I prefer the bad this guy goes this guy says and this is great This guy goes back to the first induction Right, he goes because it isn't just hip hip hop though, just looking at the initial class you had Hank Williams, Jackie Wilson, Smokey Robinson, Aretha Franklin, that's how he spells it. The Coasters, Marvin Gaye, Louis Jordan, and Clyde McFadden, there were more R&B stars

than rock stars. I get inspiration in steps along the path and all, but what the hell? So this guy was mad right away. The first day, they were like, yo, you guys are mad now? I've been racist. All right? This guy goes, the issue with inducting 10 acts a year or more is it would make the actual induction ceremony Incredibly long. Ah, that's the issue

We have to consider the actual ceremony and they only have the hall for two and a half out Because their budget is a huge anymore They booked a late night wedding afterwards, so they got a clear out by They booked a late-night wedding afterwards, so they got to clear out by 8. They have to clear out and they have to clean up after themselves as well because it saves money on the rent. I've never watched the induction ceremony because the run time for something like that is such a... Uh-uh.

No. Five hours is too long for wrestling. I mean, I wouldn't well for a yeah for a W I can watch shut up but the The induction like I don't think it would be that interesting or the ceremony where you find out who went but you know You don't find out who went you find out we know who wins now They're gonna do a ceremony to induct them in November. Yeah, see that's so uninteresting.

It doesn't even have the only good thing about one of those shitty award shows, which is that you sort of like, who's gonna win, and then you're waiting for it, and it's like, oh, it was them, oh shit, you get to feel a certain way. This doesn't even have that. This is just the ceremony part of it, and all the bullshit in between.

See, that is a funny idea to me, is that you get everybody, if they did it like the Academy Awards but then you also have to have the bands that win play a song. So you got to get everybody there, everybody set up, everybody ready to go. You're putting the back line that's like the size of a baseball field just to make sure all the gear's ready to go and then you've got the entirety of a baseball field just to make sure all the gears ready to go and then you know, you've got You know the entirety of new order already ready to play blue Monday and they're like, uh Actually, it's sound garden and you know, they have to get up and go Well, they would know they would have it set up and Brian has a really good idea about how you could do that as well

You know, finally somebody likes my ideas rotating stage and they're all set up on each stage And then it's like you just rotate it around and then boom, then bad company's like, bad company. And then it's like, you know, you pop around and it's like, and hey, yeah, or whatever. Yeah. This guy goes, I've watched a bunch of ceremonies and they're very entertaining, but run four plus hours long with only seven inductees or less. That's insane.

So what is, what is, I hope there's at least music being played, right? They jam, but they play a lot of also, like videos about like outcasts from Atlanta, and then guys talking about outcasts, and then, but there's also like music industry guys that get into, so you'll watch a video about some industry guys, some executive or something like that. Like a video about some industry like a builder he could

end up in the builder category or whatever yeah you know you know this guy was the number one marketer of 1983 yeah it's like you know a bunch of talking heads of guys you never heard be like he was getting units in stores in a way that we could never have imagined in the summer of 80 It is stuff like that It is just something that you would not be no human being in the world should be interested in and I Again we've talked about this on other that gives a way what this is which is not a referendum on Musical quality or even actually fame,

but you know, it's an industry award. It is. You've been a good player in this industry for a long time. You brought a lot of customers to the table and you know, everybody likes you and gets along with you. So here, come join the club. Yeah. So this guy, here you go this you're gonna love this. This is my hero his name's Axl Fire and he's my favorite poster in the history of classic rock guys. This whole post is about discussing how there are a significant amount of non-rock bands in the hall. But metal is a distinctly different genre than rock and roll.

They share instrumentation, but very different tempos, progressions, and lyrical content. The Scorpions are a hard-rock band and not metal. Hard-walk? Hard-rock band, like it's Chinese. Wait a second, do they have a knee? Do they have knee issues? Is this guy a baby?

Yeah, a hard-rock band. Knee issues? He goes, the Scorpions are a baby? Yeah, hard rock band. Is this guy a baby? Is this guy a baby? Yeah, hard rock band. He goes, the Scorpions are a hard rock band and not metal. You could argue Dio and early Judas hang out in hard rock, but bands like Pantera and more so Slayer are nowhere close to rock. Most of the R&B artists have more in common

with rock and roll than Slayer. Iron Maiden's kinda odd to me too because their iconic gallop doesn't feel like rock, but it's definitely something other hard rock bands did did like Led Zeppelin with Achilles Last Stand and the Immigrant song or Heart with Barracuda. It's just that they do it with every song. It's kind of that blurred edge between hard rock and power metal. It's just hard to look at Little Richard and Iron Maiden say they're the same genre.

And I think that's why the Hall has been trying to cast a wide umbrella. Oh, Brian, I do love this guy. I do love this type of guy. The music classifier, the guy who is just like, well, they're kind of like their new way, but they're like they have obviously influences of like, you know, shoe gaze. And it's sort of like more of like I would say it's almost like a dark, like black shoe gaze kind of's sort of like more of like I would say it's almost like a dark like black shoe gaze kind of

Yeah, yeah, I love saying metal shouldn't be in the rock. Yeah Nothing makes me happier than a guy making the argument that metal shouldn't be in I agree then That forces other guys to name That forces other guys to say well this should be in because it's white and this should not be in because they're black guys that's this guy goes but Nicki Minaj Sharon Dolly Parton also knows scorpions what a fucking joke and this guy responds it goes Nicki Minaj is not in a rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah I would say Nicki Minaj would be a genuinely shocking addition at this point. They don't they don't they don't really

Induct like modern-day artists at all. Yeah Well, let's look at a couple ticket master reviews for bad company who did finally get in today This must have been such a I wonder if they like how the sort of like what it means in the modern day To a newer band or like, you know, someone who's a little newer and it's like their first chance or a band like this. Like, I wonder if bad company is like, I said that when I said their name there, I said it kind of the way they say it. I was like, I wonder if bad company is anyways, they, I wonder if they care. I wonder if they're like excited about this or if they're like, who gives a fuck about this old institution.

I suppose they might care or whatever. It's like winning a wrestling title. It's like most people don't give a shit. Because it's the same thing. It's the same exact thing. It's the same thing. It's the two are the same thing. I'm sure it feels good for a bunch of, again, industry lifers like the members of Bad Company

to get honored in that way, especially because it does really just solidify you of like, yes, we are one of the bands. And I guess everyone comes out and celebrates you and stuff, and you have this kind of night, all your friends and all the people that you love, they're all there, and everybody's kind of making a big to-do of it. I guess that, yeah. Some guys play one of your songs, and then you get to go on stage with some modern guy. and all the people you love they're all there and everybody's kind of making a big to do of it I guess Songs and then you get to go on stage with like some modern guy

Yeah, I will say on that company on the other side I mean, I don't know how if we'll get around to fish in general or I will say that uh, they played the Hollywood Bowl last weekend and Molly and I my wife and I Almost went but we it was just two last minute We couldn't get our energy together for but we had some friends who went who were longtime fish fans and I believe that that was the night that the inductees were announced And fish was not among them and our fish friends Said that they thought that the back half of that Hollywood Bowl fish show

was one of the rockiest fish performances that they can remember seeing. Like you know Trey was like really really shredding and they were like just really like he was trying to bring the rock. Trying to show off the chops and they felt a little bit a little bit like it was fish being like oh not a not a rock and roll hall of famer are we? We'll show you some rock and roll hall of fame. Yeah. A little lesson. Hey, get, Hey, Hey waiter, a little lesson noodles with my dish tonight. Let's go straight to the goods, baby. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. They did win the fan vote by like double what the next course

they did. Of course they did. The only other chance will be like if they were Up against like Taylor Swift or like Dave Matthews band like these these men that have like they're absurd They're fan bases obsessed with them right back company still rocks five stars by the way You can't find any bad reviews of bad company other than and this is an insane This is an insane complaint they only played for 90 minutes well that's see that's and that's a huge like that's like see you love them so much that's not even like a come that's not even a negative thing really 90 minutes is so long it's yeah it is really but those

old band like you know Bruce Springsteen is who we talk about. Those guys are old as shit too. Yeah, they would do hours and hours though, those guys who just have so many albums. I don't know, I guess Bad Company doesn't have that amount of music probably, I'm not really sure what they're. As a certified music enjoyer and live music enjoyer, I'm pretty much ready to rap a concert after about 70 minutes, 75 minutes.

Uh-huh. Even if I love the band. Yeah, I agree. I haven't been to too many shows that went longer. The only one I can think of that sticks out that I'm sure I've mentioned before is Brian Jonestown Massacre at a small club in Vancouver where they were playing for 2 and 1 half, 3 hours.

And they were so drunk by the end of it, but they were just tuning their guitars for like 10 minutes in between songs, just like sloppily, like everyone kinda, it was like really quiet in there. And people just milling around. Yeah, and people didn't really know what to do, like are they gonna play another song,

could someone talk to them, they're drinking out of a bottle of Finlandia. You know, that adds a level of suspense and you know, kind of a dramatic arc to the show that I think would keep me more engaged. It kept us for a while, but around the 2 hour 45 minute mark, me, my younger brother, and our friends who are like the biggest fans of Brian Jones and Masako were like, all right, that's the end for us. And it was like maybe a tenth of the people who were there to start

were there by the end. Yeah. I mean, I saw Daft Tftones real drunk a few times and I loved it Yeah, but it's only because I'd seen him so many times that like when you see him Well now when you see him, it's wait. It's insane like that I just again I just saw them at nationwide arena And it was packed all the way to the back and people were singing every fucking song So like that's way different than when I was you know You were gonna do you kind of got into the before everybody?

It's just a kick-talk thing. It's like young people are way into them now Yeah It's like when you go see a concert of a band that you saw when you were young and most of the audience is young You're like what the fuck is going on here but they only played for them for set yeah they only played for like 75 minutes or something and I thought it was the best arena show I've ever seen that's totally fine yeah if you're rocking for all 75 of five minutes you leave it leave me wanting just a little more but not exhausted perfect yes that's the pocket yeah

white stripes did 90 80 or 90 minutes, never stopped playing, just played the entire time, rocked the whole time, and it was, you know, like, did not leave us wanting any more at all. That was my favorite concert ever. I saw one kind of like that that I hated, The Black Keys. Mm.

At, at, and listen to this, at a homecoming show, because they're from here. Yeah. Okay. And they played 90 minutes, didn't say a single word. It was the worst concert I've ever been to in my life. They did say they did say stuff. I will say that like Jack White talked, but he was always playing like this. The one song went into the next song and then he would be

talking as he was like sort of building up and getting into the next song or whatever. It was an outdoor show at a place called deer Lake Park That again, I've probably mentioned this too because it was like my yeah my favorite concert ever But yeah, it was just like an incredible show you can find some clips of it. There's some clips of it it was outdoor and it I Really like like bands like the sonics and stuff like that obviously I bought an AI T-shirt for a band that sounds kind of like the sonics I'm not I'm not familiar with this story you're not familiar with the fact that Brian heard a AI generated song on YouTube and somehow that

convinced him to buy merchandise from this fake band people that made the AI did not get the money it was somebody. So the people that made the AI did not get the money. Other people did. So just to be clear, it was somebody ripping off the people who made the AI. That's who got Brian's money. It wasn't even the original fake people that got his money. It had that sound that,

it did have that kind of sound, that black keys kind of thing. So I was very excited to see it. It didn't, it was, we heard the, it was Doo-Wop music. It was. I like Doo-Wop too. But I very excited to see it. We heard it was Doo-Wop music. I like Doo-Wop too, but I was excited to see this band because I like all the stuff they're inspired by and they played all the songs that I'd heard

and I never felt less soul in a show in my entire life except for maybe System of a Down. Those are the only two bands I've ever been to where I'm like, oh, and the Mars Volta this recent Depthone store where they're just playing their whole first out our whole new album that nobody knows They don't play any of their That's pretty that is pretty pretty big slap of the face Any of the album that's an unreleased is an incredible thing to do.

Oh well I mean I guess that doesn't totally surprise me about the Black Keys especially with you know they haven't been covering themselves with glory in the last few years I guess since their botched arena tour and playing for that crypto benefit for that was one of the bad Ohio politics guys. Oh, let's check in with Michael here real quick before we get back to Bad Company. I think it's my favorite style of music, but I go outside its bounds, right? But I also know when I go outside its bounds, I'm going outside its bounds and we all have a right to love Whatever kind of music think we like hey, that's sound that feels good to know that He's gonna say he's signing off on on us like whatever music we want

This is a way more diplomatic tone than I'm used to from this guy well Yeah Okay than I'm used to from this guy. Well, give him a second. Yeah. OK. But this one single fan ballot that it took two and a half million votes to tabulate has to go against all those people I just mentioned. Guess how many of them they are, each of them having their own ballot. Over 1200 of them having their own ballot. Over 1200 of them. So now the fans have a say so of a one to 1200 ratio.

Ratio. Ratio. I'm trying to call, to follow him here. So he's saying that there are 12,000 voters in the Rock Academy or whatever, and then like to whatever 2.5 million people voted or something like that. So he's like comparing these amounts Well, you know he's saying that what those 200 those 2.5 million people vote their vote like whatever they decide on

That's only worth one vote like the same as all of the other 1200 votes Oh, each one of them gets the same amount, but that's fine, you know what I mean? I think he's saying, I mean, if that is true, if that is what he's saying and that's true, then that is kind of absurd. I mean, having it count one towards 1,200, it does seem like it's really meaningless

to have the fan vote. Yeah, it is, but. Not much of a voice. Now, I also explained that there is one thing that's brought up from the other side who believe that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is Healthy wealthy and just ready to thrive for the rest of its existence the other side Like it's a political All this like it all of this To be you know, I get caring about rock music

I get caring about honors and awards, but just going into this much depth seems like trying to break down the officiating on an episode of Whose Line Is It Anyway. Yes, absolutely, it's all nonsense. I think Cary was being very, very unfair to Colin when he adjudicated 12,000 points to Ryan in this scene, you know, yeah It's all complete nonsense and it's just yeah, you just have to understand that you you're fighting against this thing

Yeah, that doesn't really it's not like this institution Score doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, wait till you hear. This is so good. It's This is classic Michael. They're wrong in my opinion, but everybody has an opinion and They all say this and I will acknowledge that this is one good thing about the fan Voting process is that as the fans vote? Let's say and I used an example of Billy Joel Billy Joel is a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. All right, he's not just the president.

But I'm not just a member of the Rock and Roll Hall, I'm the president, whatever that old commercial was. Oh, okay. Oh, I love it! Woo, woo! It's a hair club for men, I think, right? Is I am not just a member, or I'm not just a president, I'm also a member, but see he did it backwards and it also doesn't make sense because he's not the president

Just a member and I thought he was getting political there for a second Kind of forgot what was he just kind of forgot it and then yeah, this is this gonna happen on a live stream sometime We've all been there. You think you've got your hooks into a real good little riff and then you sort of get into the middle of it and you realize, oh, wait a second. I don't know what the hell I'm doing right here. Well, there's more here.

But what was it? Last year, he sent out a letter saying, damn it, we've gotta get Warren Zivon in. And he went up on the list. He didn't win, although there's some good news concerning him this year. But imagine that kind of power. So now if Billy Joel is keeping track and we have to assume that a lot of these people aren't, they don't give a damn what the fans what the masses think

There's a cretins after all with the royalty. Oh Let them eat cake them and the other team To our there yeah, what was what was that? You know it. Oh, OK. The ending part did sound different.

It sounded different. The let them eat cake, I was with him. He was doing this aristocratic maybe French. But then, yeah, the ending part sounded entirely different. He's like, this that or the other thing, man? This that or the other thing. He sounded like, yeah, it sounded like Tom Hanks is Chet Hanks or whatever there for a second. That, I just wanna say, as well, sorry, go ahead.

These guys should get together and form a shadow rock hall. Oh, yes! Oh, like their own rock, yeah, honestly, honestly, if any of them had any sense of self-organized you know again, this might be a new to do technique get a bunch of these guys in like a discord channel and Just start like put up your your you know register real rock hall. Yeah. Yeah, that's it real It's our our our HOF the real rock and roll Hall of Fame. That's what it is

Yeah, yeah, well, they're mad cuz they won't have a building, you know, I mean get a building So here we go bad company still rocks five stars and again You will not see more less than a four star and again four stars is for people that wanted more than 90 minutes This is this is a review of just them or their ticket master. Yeah This is a review of just them or their... From Ticketmaster, yeah. From their show. It's still...

It still shocks me and kudos to the guys' team research that there are comments on Ticketmaster. It's great. They're my favorite. This guy goes, took me back to 1974. Great. Paul Rodgers sounded great. Simon Kirk was steady and powerful on drums. Played their hits as well as Rodgers fave all right now and Hendrix is watchtower crowd was great show was great

Good thing about us boomers is that we know all the words and aren't afraid to sing along Yeah, I mean listen I listen we can make fun. I bet that was a fucking hell of a time Where was this show I'm just trying to get a mental I can't figure out where it's in the Lynn auditorium in Lynn L Y N N. I don't, but it's just, just, just the idea. Like that just sounded like taking them back to 74, like getting that real like nostalgic feeling with a bunch of other people who are feeling it as well. And you're all singing along to these songs and you're all kind of back in that same time again. I mean, I can't, we can but that sounds that sounds real nice I think that would be a nice thing at the end of my life if I could go back and you know go to a

fleet fox's concert That's a mechanos I think one of those This looks like it's about maybe 40 minutes hour north of Boston Well, just do you have like you know, I kind of an imagination of the clientele the Show the audit the audience is racist That's a joke At the Illinois State Fair grounds, Ellie went and saw it, and a five-star is worth a trip.

Came from the Northwest suburbs of Chicago to see this show at the Illinois State Fair, which is a three-hour drive. Worth every minute, the fair was a wonderful Springfield is a world away from Chicago, and it was so nice to not be treated with the big city suburban hustle. No games, no propaganda, no crowds to fight through. It was so nice to not be treated with the big city suburban hustle no games no

Propaganda no crowds to fight through people were kind and friendly and although there was a noticeable presence of the Illinois State Patrol They didn't bother people and they did not treat everyone like we were in a concentration camp Other ways to sort of get that imagery. I know guys is a lot about making fun of these, but I'm loving these good vibes, bad companies comments. Just, I'm in a reverie. I'm at the Illinois State Fair, bad companies playing. I've maybe had one of those 36 ounce cans of beer

and a funnel cake. The cops are there, but man. They're cool, too They're kind of like tunes as well There's a sergeant over there who's kind of grooving to fucking bad company self-titled It the sun's going down feel like making loves playing you know you remember in 19 the summer of 74 This is good. This is good vibes. I Understand the concerns with all the crazies and shooters running amok Okay, here we go here's the twist but it was such a joy and relief to be returned to a pre-911 atmosphere

Year This is I review from Ticketmaster. This is a year. This is, I mean, look, I didn't quite grock the twist here as I'm putting myself into this good vibes mentality at the Illinois State Fair, but of course you got to get that suburban psychosis in. Now of course, murder stalks around around every corner but this bad company show gave me a momentary reprieve from the thought of being gunned down in my suburban street. And it was nice because I was thinking about God remember when they hit the towers you know.

Before that man shit was great. Yes. He goes the three he goes the pre 9-eleven atmosphere where you weren't constantly treated like a potential terrorist The three-hour trip each way was also far preferable to the Chicago traffic and parking the show itself was great Our seeds were good, and we enjoyed the show immensely Paul and the band still have it fog hat was cool, too Shout out fog hat poor fog hat reading that review being like okay. No the other. Oh, yeah Here's one from the Ohio State Fair in 2019 which Brian you ever been to the Ohio State Fair I've been to the state fair

But I've never been to a concert at it almost went to one last year because they always get wacky fucking bands And they had like Stone Temple pilotsots playing last year and I was like Maybe I'll go see Stone Temple Pilots. That seems like yeah, I'd be good I was really into stone. I was listening to a lot of Stone Temple Pilots at the time, too I think they should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and I mean until they honestly no shame to foghat Probably before foghat Brian, you're being unfair. This is a generational thing, and I feel like, because you're saying someone like Bad Company

shouldn't get in, that's where you should draw the line. I feel the same way about Stone Tumble Pilots. They're a really good band, but they're just below the line. They're just not, they're not gonna be there. They're just not quite at that level of like Nirvana. Like I would put Nirvana in there. Soundgarden, you know. Soundgarden, yeah, I would put in Nirvana and you know like you know Soundgarden, you know like sound garden

Yeah, I would put them in there. Definitely. I would put fleet Fox's and of course, you know I would put a robin peck nolden as a solo artist elite sound writer Rosenstalk raising Jeff Rosenstalk. Do you have roses? So everybody loves that guy? I just started hearing about him like a year and a half ago, and I was like, yeah, okay I just love a state fair and yeah, you know and I think it's like the the The best venue to see these these like monsters of classic rock is is you know a state fair? ground Can I know sunset with a button, you know an intergenerational audience of slightly drunk people?

Watching a band you maybe know two songs by but are have your heart open to being like hey Maybe bad company has some other songs that I might like How do you watch how do you watch it at a state fair? Like is it do you know I mean like where is it happening in in relation to this to the fair? There's just a big venue there this year. We have Kidsbop foreigner. I might go see foreigner foreigner I I kind of I misinterpreted that by by thinking that it was like kids bop colon foreigner Now there's a kid bop set of only foreigner songs. We got Morris Day and the time was special guests

foreigner songs. We got Morris Day and the time was special guest Confunction. Okay. Uh, T pain, Quinn, XCII and Chelsea Cutler. Leah, it's not as big this year. Last year was like, I think you should go to that. I look, I have a big soft spot for foreigner. I think they have a lot of really sick songs and uh, Molly, uh, I did not see this set. We also went to Coachella two weeks ago. Uh, Molly saw the T the set. We also went to Coachella two weeks ago. Molly saw the T-Pain set there and said that he kicked ass. It was just a delightful time.

So look, if you're thinking about checking out the state fair, those are two strong wrecks. Yeah, last year we had Gabriel Iglesias, Ice Cube, and Stone Temple Pilots were there. So I think that was like I would have loved to have seen stone temple but I don't know why I didn't admit to liking them when I was young because people would know people would be like oh what's what's wrong with this guy but they probably would call me gay it

sounds like Ohio State Fair books good they do this guy goes out force five stars at the Ohio State Fair We finally got perfect seats for bad company. They're my wife's favorite, and they did a great show Fog head are not very good Reading this one like oh Catching a lot of strays in this in this pot up Their material slash songs were crap when they came out in the early 70s and they have Not weathered the test of time Paul Rogers showed them how it's done that night

Next year at the Ohio State Fair, please consider signing heart John Sebastian Jefferson Starship or sit sticks Jefferson Starship is Jeff the nuttiest thing to ask for I think of all the bad We they have the they have like two songs. I Can't eat I can't even believe somebody would want to see that here's some review It's a very funny request list it is here's a review of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony from 2023 somebody went to it Zucconi Four stars so now we get an idea of what that's like

through the eyes of the people who are there. They shoulda opened with Missy Elliott or Chaka Khan. Something more high energy than Sheryl Crow. It looked like plans suddenly changed about Kate Bush, but with so many star rappers in attendance, a freestyle rap interpretation of Bush's work led by Big Boy would've been much better than St. Vincent's capable but lackluster performance. So this guy making the rap

interpretation of Kate Bush is maybe like just fantasy like what if Big Boy came out and get Big Boy on it? I mean big boy could definitely handle that assignment I feel like and it was kind of cool because there's a lot of famous rap artists in there They're not probably gonna be really digging st. Vincent when all her emo ass shit. I Would love to see it. I would love to hear a big boy verse over hounds of love or something Yeah, it would obviously be great, but it is a very specific thing. This guy really, I will say this, this guy is like, he's got, could be a wrestling fan not to bring up wrestling again, but he's got that kind of vibe of like, I know how

the show should run in a very specific way. I have all of these ideas. Well, some fans of wrestling do know how the show should run and do have a lot of ideas. There's some people Brian has great ideas. People agree. But your ideas are only, you don't even have ideas for storylines. I do. No, you have ideas for just matches.

Why would I say it on this show? Brian, can you tell me one idea for a storyline? Yeah, be honest, because if you actually have any at all, I think you could, like, there's gotta be one that you're not completely embarrassed to say. I don't, I have them, I can't say I'm on the show. Why I? I have big picture idea Okay, well you never know when Tony's gonna come calling

I'm gonna help out like my idea for stories is like oh this guy keeps getting beat with a headlock and Then he finally gets to the other side of any he kicks out of a headlock and boom we got ourselves Like I like moves base stories You know what I say, you know me and you know what I like in wrestling and it is headlocks. I love long You wouldn't like cuz when I hear stories in wrestling I'm imagining what like I got like a guy gets abducted by aliens in the in the first rag Of the round of the the season and then at the very end they like beam him down into the final match And and then and then he ends up winning. Is that how wrestling looks a problem with wrestling?

That's the big problem with wrestling. The storylines are too big. You gotta fucking make them smaller smaller Inside the ring yes, I keep saying that and Chris keeps saying oh, that's a stupid idea, but everybody He likes a small ideas like a guy wrestles with his hands in his pocket That sounds that sounds good like He's good, I'm sorry. That sounds good. Like, oh, it's not. It's like a Looney Tunes thing of like maybe he accidentally like punched a bucket of glue

and then his hand is stuck to the turnbuckle the entire round and he still has to like wrestle. It is some dumb ass Looney Tunes ass shit. That's a good point. Hey, hey, hey, shut up. So anyway, I love the end of this review. It was one of my favorite ends of a concert review ever. An announcement at the end thanking us for attending

and wishing us well would have also been great or At least turning the lights on sooner. It was a perplexing no real end to the event I missed the jam session of old really should bring that back Oh, I see he what he didn't want like a thank you for coming like he wasn't expecting that He just was they just ended it and it was just like kind of silent and The lights were off still and everyone just kind of sat there Not knowing if it was I mean that does sound confusing. Yeah

Visualization of people sitting there and then looking at the person next to him like yeah Jam sash I will agree that is like if I'm in a big like a group situation or ceremony That is one of my least favorite moods of not knowing What is next yeah? If there's like you know if you're like at a wedding or something and there's Insufficient prompting of being like and now we all go to the next room for the dance And you're just kind of sitting around being like is this you're milling about done. Yeah

It's harder with concerts too because like I said I went to that death tone show They didn't turn the lights on right away or turn on house music at the end. So my wife would not leave I was like grabbing her like come on, but she thinks that there's a there's gonna be a Gonna be a fucking encore. I know it they played all the songs. See I saw This band the great band that you should go, they're on tour right now, you should go see if you can, Cheek Face. And I really appreciated before their last song, they were like, we've had a lot of fun tonight. This is not a joke. We do not do encores. When this song is over, the show is over. Thank you all. Like we really

appreciate you coming, but that's just not something we do and this is not a joke This is not a bit We're not teasing you and we're gonna come back out when we finish the next song the show is over and you should leave Okay, here is the last song of the night would be so funny if they then they came and did an encore though They came on out towards everyone was gone and they started playing and then you were out it like in the yeah You see here the video again. You're like oh Going off and you're like those motherfuckers I was gone and they started playing and then you were out it like in the yeah Yeah, but I appreciated the the clear yeah, yeah, I agree I agree on that to just sort of letting you know like hey These is people's time and you know they're like they want to get home And so it's just like a nice thing to do it was a nightmare

So I finally get her to leave, and some guy drops his credit card. She's chasing him down trying to give him the credit card. We've heard this story. And we get stuck in line forever getting out because she made everything slower. It was really... Made everything slower by doing an incredibly kind thing for somebody.

Well, yeah. Three stars, an exciting night. It was at times fairly exciting and the crowd was energetic. That said, the pacing of the night was an absolute bore at times. If you're gonna have it be an award ceremony for the music industry with endless hype videos and speeches that go on and only one or two songs per artist,

don't invite the public for extremely overpriced seats and have them believe they're gonna see a full concert from XYZ artists. First of all, I just wanna say, if seven bands go in, you are not gonna see a full concert. Yeah, if you think that, you're an idiot. You're insane.

That's a seven hour concert. That's ridiculous. And again, the setup, unless you got the rotating stage. Yeah. I mean, again, with a lot of the commenters on it, there just seems to be a very fundamental misunderstanding of what this thing is. Yeah. Because you need to be going, if you bought tickets to go see the Rock and Roll Hall Fame Inductee Award, yes, they're going to be big

rock musicians there. Yes, you're going to hear some live music, but you got to understand that the energy is like seeing is is knowing that you're going to like the greater Cleveland Dental Association, like hygienists of the year inductees. Yeah, you know, it's like this is we are honoring people who have done well in this industry in an industry term. Yeah. Well, he goes, it's the principle. Some of the people they inducted aren't even alive anymore. I had a hard time explaining that

when people asked what I'm going to. Having seen it for myself, Steve Miller was right. So I found out what Steve Miller said. Oh, shit, Steve Miller, before I had your deathbed. Some people call him Maurice. On on your deathbed Steve Miller was right He goes when they told me I was inducted they said you have two tickets one for your wife and one for yourself one another One is ten thousand dollars. Sorry. That's the way it goes. What about my band? What about their wives? So that was the Steve Miller quote. I mean, that's pretty brutal. That's ridiculous

If that's that's accurate even close to accurate that is That's probably yawn yawn was probably yawn winner would never do that Steve Miller fish beats bad company to win the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's vote, but it doesn't guarantee an induction This is from our slash rock and a guy goes just a heads up for anyone who's never heard of fish This is from r slash rock and a guy goes just a heads up for anyone who's never heard of fish Who's posting on r slash rock Where are these where these people come from come on? do you think this guy brings up fish and then like

Like in his everyday life his name is grateful D fish on on reddit. Oh my god So this guy might be super old and he was and he used to Rip around with grateful dead and then when they passed on he moved on to fit that would be my there's a few people like that I think they were just kind of young grateful dead Followers can can I can I tell? Can I tell a concert story about Dead and Fish and Co.? I'm afraid to say we don't. Brian will have to OK it. He doesn't want me to tell stories,

but Brian is going to give the guests. Yeah, you can tell the story. This is a kind of sweet story. So Molly and I saw Dead and Co. with John Mayer at The Sphere. I want to go there. It was cool. I'm not a Dead Fish fan. This was my first engagement with the Dead at all, like seeing a show.

I might do the Eagles then. I might do the Eagles. I had a tremendous time, and I think that the facility is worth it. But we were sitting next to these two guys, and I was talking to them what their Dead story was. And they said that they followed Dead around in the early 90s. They were like, you know, kind of Gen X guys. And then after, you know, Jerry died, they kind of moved on to some of the other jam bands and, you know, bummed around in the scene until like Fish and some of the other bands until the early 2000s. And then they hadn't been to a jam show in 20 years.

And this is their first time. Later in the intermission, I was at the concession stand and talking to these two women who had a very similar story, dead in the early 90s and then some other jam bands in the late 90s and hadn't been to a show in 20 years. And as I was talking to them, I saw the two guys I was sitting next to and waved and they said, hey to me, and then recognized the two ladies that I was talking to from the jam band scene

in like the Northeast in the early 2000s and came over and started talking to them in front of me and being like we haven't seen each other for 25 years but we had remember each other from shows you know that long ago yeah and I was just shocked and delighted by that random I want to make sure I can find that to be a nice story We you guys weren't tarping or anything. Yes, they were you're not they're not tarp you guys Did you guys take a tarp with you? So we bought we had seats

But so then I have a question as well this conversation that was Brian, and I think you know where I'm going with this, Brian. This conversation that was happening during, was this happening during a musical? No, this was during the intermission. This was during a sanctioned, oh God, well what is it? Not jawing, what do they call it? Gumming?

Oh yeah. Chompers. Chompers, yeah, so that's what I was just making sure. We were not chomping, we were not tarping. This was in a sanctioned socializing time during They're in this well, then guess what? It's one of the sweetest stories I've ever heard So it's funny. It's funny too because it is like This guy saying if you've never heard of fish I Don't think he's ever met anybody in his life

that's never heard of Fish. Like I just can't imagine, but he's so in the circle, because Chris, you're right about that. You would be amazed at how, like I'm in a group on Facebook called Fish Call Out Group, and it's where fans call each other out for stuff. And they like know each other, and they'll be like, oh, you know, I'm sick of Jennifer,

you know, taking up so much space at the rail and then Jennifer pops on. Like they're literally following around these bands and going to the same concert. So there's like these groups of people, they're tailgating. And so it would make sense. It's kind of a traveling community almost. Yeah, my buddy, my old drug dealer

was like thought 2012 was gonna have the end of the world was gonna happen in 2012 and he was like I'm gonna fucking start to live my life. So he followed Bass Nectar around and he followed him around for like a whole year and then they hired him to do their lights. To my knowledge he never did lights in his life. So I've seen Bass Nectar at a music festival and encountered some of these bass nectar people who are like yeah We our life is following bass nectar around and you know what yeah, I wonder if they still are doing that I mean If this is from the r slash rocks subreddit

I just logged on to get the vibe of it and that the fifth top post right now is Just the video of the police every breath you take which I guess should give you the the tone of the page which is like Rock and roll. I'm just getting into it the police. Have you heard of this? You guys heard of this band? They've got a fresh sound. I think you think you might people might be interested in Well, he goes there's literally a reason he goes you're but aren't familiar with any other songs There's literally a reason for that and then in the 90s, Fish watched their contemporaries like Blues Traveler and Spin Doctors have some limited success, but then fell off.

So they decided since they already had a dedicated fan base that they wouldn't try to have any radio hits. And unlike these other two bands who are literally on the fair circuit, Fish are still selling out arenas as well as stadium. So this guy responds and goes, I saw them playing a vacuum cleaner for crying out loud. Give me a break.

Wait, wait, wait. They do play a vacuum cleaner on stage. Yeah, but you can't you can't. Whatever it is that they've cultivated, whether or not it's just, hey, we picked up this community of Grateful Dead fans and played a similar style of music or whatever. But yeah, they have managed to cultivate this fan base.

Yeah, they're playing shows at the Sphere and doing these incredible, you know, like they're- Madison Square Garden. Hollywood Bowl. Yeah, they do the biggest venues. They get the biggest crowds out, the people who are obsessed with them. And we've talked about, we did Jam Man guys, and that's why we know all about Chomping and Tarpeh and stuff. Chomping and Tarpeh, yeah, yeah.

But like, and I don't understand it. It doesn't resonate with me at all, like that type of shit, but people are obsessed with it, like in no other way. You know, other musicians who are popular don't have people dedicating their life to it, right? I think that that's been one of the most interesting stories of rock music in the last decade or so

is kind of the ascendancy of the jam band model into the echelon of like the most respected sphere of rock bands and kind of the adoption of that bottle model of bands like fish that were in the in the like 20 in the 2000s would be a punchline of a joke that dirty classless hippies would like and are now very much like No, they're a beloved institution in the rock and roll community that have done this miracle of maintaining this longterm fan base. And then you have all these other bands coming up in their model bands like King

Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, who are one of the hottest, biggest, youngest bands out there who are really cultivating the same thing of like, we're never going to have a radio hit, but we're going to have this like highly dedicated, completely engaged fan base that's going to see. I find that very interesting that that is kind of one of the, has become one of the most proven successful modes of rock music now. And probably like that would be my pitch for inducting Fish right now into the rock and roll hall. I mean, the fan vote, the outsized fan vote is the proof of that, but kind of like,

no, they were right. They did everything right over their career and they have proven a model for other bands going on. Like that is the industry side of it. I don't know. That's my little like rock industry sidebar. Was that kind of a, if you wanna, you could end it off with an okay,

if you wanted to turn it into a rant. Okay! Here we go. Yeah, but I think you are so right about that, that yeah, that Phish is, you know, they changed the whole model because of the, you couldn't sell albums anymore and it became completely different

and they cracked the code on that kind of, or. Well they weren't gonna do it long enough, long enough, consistently enough, and with like enough relative class and professionalism that it is now like, oh no, they are elder statesmen. But I still do think that every single person who is following them around is a dirty ass. Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, of course. Let's check in with Michael here. So I mean, they're all interconnected And they're a lot of them are wishful thinking with this is the way I think Planet Earth should be Wait, wait, well Brian. Can you bet? Oh, he's talking about Politics he's doing a lot of he's doing a lot of voice work today I don't know that I've heard him do this kind of voice work before, Brian.

A lot of people from the Hollywood crowd, the music crowd, the music business, I mean, they're all interconnected. And a lot of them are wishful thinking. This is the way I think a planet Earth should be. Like, this is what I want. Everybody holds hands, kumbaya, and it's all rock and roll to me.

Well, I'm sorry, I'm a musician. There are elements to rock and roll that don't quite. Oh, brother, we heard your music. Your music's not good, Michael. You should. You're a musician like I'm a basketball player, brother. Like I'm a radio host. Yes.

No, not even. Brian, you're much closer to being a radio host. No, not even. Brian, you're much closer to being a radio host than he is to being a musician. There's more. I fit that. So here we are with the final ballot and the fans didn't have much to say. Now I want to go over to who actually made it. And I gotta be honest with you folks, this is not the worst list that I've ever seen.

Okay. When I think about it, it's not the worst list they've ever come up with, especially in the last 10 years. I'm gonna go ahead and read. Now you remember, first of all we had Fish Bad Company, Billy Idol, Cindy Lauper, Joe Cocker, Soundgarden, Chubby Checker.

The new seven, because those aren't the seven that made it and I kinda called that last night, didn't I? You did. All right, the one, actually I was trying to call it and saying, you know what, there's even, and I was scared that this might happen You were scared Carrie could still get into the rock and roll

Recording artists of the last 30 years now The new Blumhouse horror thriller the new Blumhoes horror thriller. Oh my God. I love the idea of him being up at night sweating. I woke up in the middle of the night and Mariah Carey was in the fucking Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm freaked out now.

Honey, honey, wake up, wake up. You're screaming and sweating again. You're screaming about Mariah Carey again. Yeah, yeah. Cheers. Well, Fame, even though she didn't do well enough to get onto the highlighted section of the fan's votes and how I've explained how the fan votes go, what that balance would indicate and tell you, yeah, there was a reason for me to be nervous, wasn't there? So she didn't make it

All right. Thank God others in that lower echelon Did here we go. All right, so bad company made it. All right, and I also did a video where Simon Kirk had claimed to talk to a Insider like talk to one. He was doctor Kirk was on top claim to talk to an insider. Okay I'm a talk on Friday. I put that video out on Saturday and he said Monday it would be but it was announced last night And he said that he had been assured that they were gonna get in so I kind of broke that story a little We're gonna get in so I kind of broke that story a little

The pause he has right now is insane He's my brother story. He loves to break a story of course Yeah, look if you're doing content, and you have a honest-to-god scoop. I mean that's one of the best feelings in the world Here's a quick Here's a quick one from r slash fish. Don't talk about fish in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Feel free publicity. Like it or not to hype when they quote, allow it. If you feel strongly about it,

consider how they profit off your strong feeling. Carrying an image in your mind. We celebrate this band as its fans each time they come around. If you keep talking about it, you're just giving the same message. I allow this to create controversy toward myself. So just stop talking. This is like the Westboro Baptist Church argument. If we stop talking about it. Well, I also like that there's a Zen energy there of being like, I appreciate this.

If you're into fish, what do you care? Your love of fish is the thing that validates fish, not somebody else's. The more energy you put into this outside institution, man, the more you're letting them pollute the purity of your passion for fish. Brother, you seem like you're having kind of a harsh time right now.

Why don't you listen to 1997 Oakland fucking check in here. We've got better lists these last two years and last year wasn't great. A great list, but even I had to admit it was better than it had been in the past. They got Michael. Damn. Right? So, that's where it all goes. You wonder why these people and how they get in. First of all, there's a mantra that exists.

And ever since John Sykes has taken over, he's made sure that that mantra gets an updated edition every year. And pretty soon, he'll say, you know, if you shit in your pants when you were two years old, you're a rocker. Oh, shit. Now he's the point he's making slippery slope. He's talking about the slippery slope theory where he's just like, if you're just going to let somebody who did R&B music in what's next people are gonna marry their dogs I mean, thank you for explaining because I was not following That train of thought hitting you with a heavy-duty

Logic on heavy duty logic. Yeah, that's where they're going and it is this Inclusion thing. I'm alright with people being inclusive in life. OK, but you don't take it to the point that you can't identify. Well, that's a square and that's a circle. No, no. I wish the circle to be a rectangle. You can wish it all you want and don't change it. Oh, right.

And there are elements to rock that I've come to identify and hip hop and rap are bad form of music. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it ain't rock and roll. Here we go. Okay. Now, there was also, let me see if I can find it. This article I found.

And it's interesting. I'm only going to read a little bit of it to you, but this ought to give you an idea. So who's reporting on this? Well, I found an article. Let's see. This one's just saying, oh, USA Today from a Melissa. Oh, yeah. Oh, wait, he way he said Melissa.

Rugieri. Oh, trust me. Melissa. From a Melissa. Like we all know how a Melissa, this is somebody who is very clearly not an older man with graying hair. He goes nuts on her.

And notice how she starts her article. The boys club that comprises this year's rock and roll hall of fame class also contains a female solo musician who has always been a striking presence, Cyndi Lauper. his uh, he's doing a good job of Physicalizing his own contempt. Yeah. Well, he's got he's got a little doing character work that I've never seen from him before I'm pretty we gotta watch more of his streams. He could be a skit. He could do sketch. He could do sketch comedy He could be on he could be like, you know how there was was the guy is like, oh, you know, the, the, I want a car that the steering wheel doesn't fly off. He could be on, I think you should leave and be the next big star. Honestly, with his look, with, with the right Tim Robinson training, I do think that he

could probably be in, in like with the right direction from Tim Robinson, I do think he could be in, I think you should get to leave. He could hit it with the exception of outcast. She's the one I would say it doesn't quite fit, but boy, see, this is a victory to her as she's reporting. We can't tell that Melissa here, the reporter, the writer doesn't have an agenda herself. I mean, look at how she started that whole thing up. And that's part of the problem with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

There is a lot of political nonsense in the air That's kind of the biggest problem with the politics involved in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and it's but like You you are like he's making it into politics He's the type of guy who really is like he's like Nitpicking all of this stuff and turning it into this like huge to do the guys like him. Well, Chris There's another band that's not in that. I thought we would take a look at this guy says tool not being inducted is insane Have they even been nominated? No. I don't think so. Yeah, that seems like a bit of a stretch.

They're one of those bands, and I'm gonna read a case for Tool here. They shouldn't get in. They're not, Tool is not a rock and roll Hall of Fame band. They're a just under the line band. And listen, artists is like Tool, they get really mad at us when we make they're not under the line That's outrageous. I will say this to me. They're not rock

At rock and roll because to me they are complex mathematical equations that I have to decipher with my ears and of course the fucking Plebes at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with their simple ears aren't able to really fully understand it, but that's because it's not rock and roll music. It's not any kind of music. It's its own thing entirely. I'm a huge Tool fan since 1999 and I find the fact that they haven't even been nominated truly bizarre.

But then again, the Halls largely has routinely ignored many heavy metal acts. Tools a multi-platinum selling band with a number of big hit rock songs that have been selling out large arenas for 25 years. And they've headlined so many massive music festivals. They've achieved their level of fandom and acclaimed despite doing some deeply artistic and unconventional decisions.

Like not being on any streaming services or selling any of their music digital-ly until 2019. Taking a very long time between releasing albums, not featuring any of the band members on screen visually at concerts, and insisting upon art accompanying the music solely. Having a hard stance against photos or videos of their concert.

They don't really license their music, anyone, and they have very long songs generally. Just the idea that it's some like incredible artistic choice to not make albums very often. It's like your job. Like you're like, I'm going to take a big break from it. Like, yeah, that's a choice that a lot of people make all the time Yeah, I sense like I sense tool fans are gonna be pretty perpetually disappointed here

Maybe sometime in the 2030s we might we might see I'll start hitting the lead that list I agree. I listen they're gonna get in cuz every band gets in The issue though is that we're getting stupider it's And that's the issue is like that's what I worry about You need an educated voting public to get the tool now. I think it would have they would have to have gotten Inducted in the 1700s where people were the smartest They get progressively dumber since then like they've really been so utterly against the grain compared to how most of their peers operate their bands to do commercial things and yet they can still sell out 20,000 capacity

arenas pretty much anywhere they want. They've been that way while having a 30 plus year career as a band that has been free of breakups, hiatus' or really any controversy. What do they think? the time in between Albums is other than I hate it's not a hiatus. It's just it's a it's known as an artistic decision They've also released so little music in that time that it's kind of all pretty good. There's no bad Yeah, that's what we're looking for. I mean look at Rock and rock and roll hall of fame is people who release music. That's like, you did pretty good. Yeah. Well, yeah, you want to keep that. You want to keep that floor high rather than the ceiling. I know

shit. You know, when you hear something like, oh, this is pretty good. That should go in the rock and roll hall of fame, but the consistency, the consistency and the time signatures, of course, that's why they're not Of course. That's why they're not getting it. That's why they're not getting in is because of the time signatures. It's honestly they probably you would you would tell them to show up at the for the ceremony at eight o'clock. They'd show up at 1130 because they got different times. The real test. I like that one. I like that one. So to do all that and achieve huge sales is a real testament to those who appreciate tools music.

It's really fucking good music. They're absolutely deserving of being admitted. They're such a unique musical act, not just amongst metal or rock, but within the entire history of the modern music industry. This guy replies with a solution. This is exactly why I feel rock needs its own Hall of Fame and separate award show I'm sick of other genres trying to hijack niches for themselves when there are there are legitimate bands out there that deserve recognition so

Yeah, now get in line buddy. Yeah, I got a hundred and fifty YouTube channels that you could start watching Yeah, that's yeah Royce by the way for people that don't know Royce Royce Streamed at the same time as Michael on this one, so we don't know we just had to turn our hats around to go Royce is a guy we like he wears his hat back. He wears a hurly hat backwards. He's all that's how you that's all you know he's cool. Yeah Yeah, he's probably like 60 and Michael abuses him like he runs all over Yeah, he seems like Michael seems like his little you know like they're like a duel or what a duo or whatever and yeah He's like that Michael's a little guy who's like hey you fucking idiot get over here. You know he's like. I'm sorry boss You know like oh, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we we love him and that clip that Brian sent to me

that of Michael realizing that Roy went live at the same time as Good man, you don't have it you don't have. Okay. Okay, so they're not like enemy streamers Is that like anything Klein Hassan situation? They're associates there for Michael is the boss Yeah, yeah They have they each have a but he'll come on his stream a lot They'll go on like each other's streams and just talk they're both rock and roll

Enthusiasts, but you can tell what my Michael said I wonder I guess you didn't Realize I was streaming at this time Okay, here we go You got to go all the way back to the beginning it's only 26, it's only 20 It's his wife tells him in the middle of it. That's great All right filled with buzzwords It's great All right filled with buzzwords

Divining said what's that? Royce is going live in 30 minutes. No, I didn't know Royce was streaming tonight. I didn't get any heads up on that With that Royce Maybe he doesn't know I'm screaming. I don't know what's up with that. So I'm- Ooh. He's so bad. Ooh, a little bit.

And do you know what I feel like? Because there's a lot of cast of characters, by the way, on these streams that they have. He's got a million guys involved. He's got a million different guys that are coming on. There's Canadian Hitler. There's Novus Nick. Novus Nick to me is my favorite character. Everybody knows he's like this weird kind of old guy who,

yeah, he looks really, he has a really weird setup in a framing situation, but I've decided that he's like the arch nemesis of, he's always trying to bring down Nolan. And I feel like he could be behind this, you know, where he's just like, he went to Royce and he's like, you should go live to talk about, you know, like he could be behind this, you know, where he's just like he went to DeRoy's music You should go live to talk about you know, like he Possibly orchestrated they also Chris. They also have a young guy now 20s it's insane that he's hanging out with these guys

This is a fascinating development here because I feel like in the past two years when we've talked about Michael He's been I've known him as a YouTuber creating videos put online. Knowing that there is a world of older male rock and roll streamer drama, that is a delightful revelation to me. It's great. Yeah, they talk about, they just will get on a call for an hour and a half

and just talk about like you see these Album is the best Zeppelin movie came out recently in the theater. They did that I max thing and they'll do a whole thing It was it was pretty good. It was nice to see the IMAX led zeppelin live footage They had a lot of rare stuff there then hearing it a booming theater sound system the funny part though is it's like, it's just the forming of Led Zeppelin is the narrative of the movie.

And the Led Zeppelin origin story is one of the most boring rock and roll origin stories ever, which is like these three guys who were successful studio musicians decided to form a band when they were 19. And within six months, it was the biggest band in the world. And that's the end of the movie. Everything after that, the stuff that they did in the 70s, you don't have to know about.

Yeah. That's, yeah, they were just like, they were already very well respected musicians before. But sorry, it's a narrative film. It's not like a... It's a documentary. It's a documentary. Oh, it is a documentary. Oh my god. I gotta go see it. It's a movie movie. I hate documentaries I hate them they trick you I hate especially if it tricks you and it's like hey There's this movie coming out as this cool kind of like title and stuff, and then it's a fucking documentary No, thanks only an idiot would say that so this guy goes

Somebody mentions that it's for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is for something that's culturally relevant. So this guy has a problem with that. He goes, what is culturally relevant musically? WAP, Cruel Summer, Mumble RAP, LOL, TikTok clips. LOL. If that's culture, I'm going to go find a cave and live out my days listening to Bats making guano. Okay, do that then. Everybody will be better off for it.

You go to your cave and we'll all continue to fucking live life and experience new things. But honestly- Make some field recordings, release it on a private label. What a- Excuse me. See what you can do. You can make Alphabet. What, ass pussy? Excuse me it. What ass pussy excuse me What ass pussy what are we talking about here? Yeah, that's I mean, that's what's culturally relevant Well, yeah, it is this new generations quote culture is forgotten by the time they have lunch and that's

I mean that is a pretty sick burn Hit us hard I mean and and that's and I'm even 40 years old and that's true for me That is a pretty sick burn. That one kinda hit us hard, to be honest. For sure. I mean, and I'm even 40 years old, and that's true for me. So I think that's hitting a lot of people because I think that thing is getting worse for younger people probably. This guy goes, how are the cramps not inducted yet?

And then a guy helps him out and says, please, let's not take the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seriously in any way whatsoever. And a guy replies and goes, agreed. It's nothing more than a giant popularity contest now. That's the new thing. That's the new thing. It used to be expert, like they were talking about,

it's like an expert opinion on who's the best. It's like monster trucks, Chris. It's like monster trucks. And I'll explain why it's like monster trucks. The audience shouldn't be voting on who wins the monster trucks. Because it's always gonna be Grave Digger every time Yeah, the day they would have three judges that knew what they were talking about then three audience judges

Yeah, it would be like kind of a mixture of who won. They knew who had the best run They're not just gonna give it to Grave Digger on name recognition Digger sucks see great. It doesn Grave Digger's hands down the best. Bigfoot sucks shit compared to Grave Digger. Sorry Chris. We've got that. It can't just be a popularity contest. Even though it's the Hall of Fame, it can't just be a popularity contest because we cannot trust the populace with making the important value judgments of who the best rock band is. But we can't leave it up to an industry vote because that's biased.

And they're gonna be like, they're all puppets, they're gonna be affected by politics and optics and stuff like that. So I think what we really do need to do is assemble a panel of people that have never engaged in rock music at all. Perhaps never listened to a rock and roll song. Perhaps don't even really like music. And then once we whittle it down to maybe the 50 proposed bands a year, we put it in front of these music agnostics and make them make a decision because then we would

have a completely unbiased vote about what the best band is. I feel like they have a very similar... Michael Nolan has a very similar idea to you and that is to have a panel, but I think his panel is him and his five friends. That's who he believes should do it. Well, here's the last Michael clip here. We want to hear him listing bands, so here we go. Okay, great.

Choices they made this year that I don't have a whole lot of trouble with. Now, having said that, I wouldn't have put the White Stripes in. I wouldn't have even nominated them yet. I think they could have waited. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What does that mean? Why would they wait? If you think they're good enough, why would they wait?

What does that mean? Also because, especially because it's they're good enough? Why would they wait it? What do you what does that mean? Also because especially because it's the white stripes and not see now I'm getting sucked into this semantics Yeah, because it's the white stripes and not Jack white the white stripes are done from a project Yeah, they and they have done for a long time years Yeah, I think we have enough time to judge the output of a band that is never going to record a new album I love I love the white stripes. I think they should be in there. I think that they have like, you know, like Seven Nation Army is like an iconic song. Yeah, it has become one of the biggest rock songs again of the 21st century by virtue

of its hilarious second life as a global sports anthem. Yeah, totally. So I mean, I think they definitely deserve it. And I would say myself, because they're one of my favorite bands growing up, I would love it. I think they definitely deserved it. But it's funny that he has, his argument is just that they're not old enough. That's what it is.

Get in line. Get in line, White Stripes. Behind all of the guys who look like me, have long hair, and's graying Okay, take a ticket and get back there behind fog hat When it's your turn well put outcast in salt and pepper can kiss my aspirin bottle goodbye Sound garden I think was timely and should have been there Cindy Lauper like I said, oh, I'm okay with Soundgarden, I think, was timely and should have been there. Cyndi Lauper, like I said, Oh, I'm OK with Joe Cocker should have been there decades ago. Chubby Checker should have been there decades ago.

I didn't know the man was still alive. And he's evidently fit to be tied. And I'm so glad that he's still around to at least see his name. I think somebody said he's 88 years old. See his name, you know, rectified in rock and roll. The Twist was one of the biggest dance crazes and you can't have rock and roll without Chubby Checker. And of course, the number one,

the best choice of the evening was Bad Company. All right. That is a band that wasn't going to be getting in. I guess mainly because Paul Rodgers had left a bad taste in somebody's mouth. I don't think- You know who? It was when he turned down Ormat Erdegen

twice. Okay, you gotta say the guy's name, right? Maybe the scuttlebutt got around it. I can imagine Jan Winnert taking a dislike to ever, and they'll get in the day hell freezes over. You know, the same thing that he said about, what was it? Foreigner, right? Foreigner got in as well, right? Foreigner got in.

Ooh, yeah. That's how you know you know yon winners been usurped Yeah, he's he no longer has his influence and that's cuz in their mind They talk a lot about like these conspiracies of like yeah and winners. Yeah, he's gone But it's like all his puppets that he's sort of put in place there And then people talk about like I saw the same line of thought after Pope Francis died of being like, yeah, he died. But you know he's stacked the College of Cardinals with his own men and he's going to be dominating the conclave from beyond the grave.

It's very funny to be talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the same terms. Michael Nolan would say that those are very similar things except for the fact that the wrong one of them is important And finally the last Nolan clip here and it would get out of here is he's talking about I gotta look at the thing again 132 30 to 132. All right, here we go. This is his last. He he's got a real bone to pick with a writer. All right, because we have a couple of pop ups here.

This isn't going to go away. All right. This idea to stretch this and pull this in all different directions. OK, we already have. stretch this and pull this in all different directions. Okay, we already have I just looked up one writer. And I wasn't looking for a female writer. I wasn't looking for a left wing writer, or a right wing writer. I just typed up what I was looking for. And hers was the first article that I found USA Today that covered the basics. And as soon as I started reading, I go, wait a minute,

what, what is who is this person, I was going to look up the name of the reporter or the writer, just to do some research on it. I didn't even need to, you know, it was like, okay, female writer talking about female plights and problems. Oh, right, man. This guy is really, really a wretched dude. He really just like, he can't even hide his contempt and hatred for women. Yeah, he hates women, yeah.

He's got enough of that bullshit in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They're criticizing that What did they call it? The boys club? They're criticizing that it was a cock fest Criticizing it was against a cock fest and listen, I'm sure that that is I'm sure that it is it is a cock fest Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that is classic rock guys three Chris. I want to thank you For doing it again ain't no problem, and I I don't mind coming over you porno Chris. I'm talking to Chris way Thank you. This is always a pleasure. I this would be my if it wasn't for this I would be completely disengaged with whatever is going on

in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So it is nice to check in a little bit. I will be honest, at this point, I am getting a little peeved of New Order, Joy Division, and Divo getting nominated every year and never getting in. But I feel like the time is coming. The time is coming for all of them. I don't know. And I it's all good. It's all It's it's all it's all it's all peace and love and rock and roll, baby Just I love celebrating the great artists of our recording industry And I'll say this It is hard to do it is the hardest thing in the world to do but you just gotta be like I don't care who gets in that fucking thing, which is hard because will be like, oh this band you likes not it like when corn gets in which they will get in

Again, that seems like a 20s 30s entry for me. They're never gonna get born into the rock and roll that Wait till corn gets in the wrong gets into the rock and roll hall of fame I'll quit the podcast and turn into a youtuber like Michael Nola We'll see you all next week. Goodbye. Bye Chris thank you for doing love it. Appreciate it. Yes. Oh, we got it once they're done loading yours will probably Yeah, you're good. We're good. We'll talk to you later, ma'am. Yeah.