Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 120 - College Guys with Spencer Hall

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

We had Spencer Hall (@Edsbs on bsky) on to talk about college guys. We checked in on some frats, some guys that wanna lie about their age but not for creepy reasons. I talk a bit about one of my professors and we talk about college athletics and, again, old guys There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST and I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I am an alumni of The Ohio State University, Brian Quinby. Chris can't be bothered to come to work, so he's not. But! You said you were gonna be nice to him. I am being nice to him behind the scenes. I'd never be nice to him on the show. Okay. Disgusting.

All right. Gross. Oh, do you think he would be nice to me? I think he is a very kind person. Yeah Hmm. I don't know about that. So as you can hear we have stephen here. Where'd you go to college? Uh, I went to university of victoria in in canada. Is that a real college? Is that an accredited university? Yes, it's it's canadian. But yeah, it's an accredited university. I'm sorry, we don't know about those down here. And our guest this week is Spencer Hall. Hi, Spencer.

Hi. Did you go to college? I went to college at the University of Florida. Oh, we don't like them here. You don't like anything. Well, here's the thing. I don't- Ooh, someone from Ohio is unhappy. Here's's the thing. I don't know. Someone from Ohio is unhappy.

Here's the fucking thing. I did not go to college until I was 36 years old, first of all. So we're going to read a lot of guys like that. And I did finish it. I cared a lot more about the football before I went to college than I did when I got out once I got out. I was like, I'll tell you what it was It was there was a student in one of my classes And I and I had well first of all, there's this class was like a intro to work sociology of work class Okay, and the guy wore a trench coat and a fedora a trench coat and a fedora. And he would come in and he would play us South Park clips to teach us about this. Sorry, this is this is the teacher.

Yes. OK. Yeah, he would vape in front of the room, too. And yeah, he'd come in and be like, here, check out this South Park clip. This perfectly describes the, you know, the thing we're trying to talk about here. And then he would show us the libertarian videos. And at this time... Is this like the guy who like inspired you more than anyone in the world or?

Well, he did inspire me to be like, I don't think all the college professors are all there. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you're there and I'm old and I'm a white trash guy I think all the college professors are all there. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're there and I'm old and I'm a white trash guy and I'm sitting there and I'm like, everything these guys says is.

This is high school, but I had a geography teacher who showed us loose change. And that was in like 2004, I think maybe, or it was like the year it came out. And the idea was to like teaches how to be more of like a free thinker like I just want to learn about like like earthquakes and stuff, you know, but

And then so I'm I'm 35 36 years old and one of the students one of the football players is sitting next to me in the class and I realize oh my god one of the football players is sitting next to me in the class, and I realized, oh, my God, this kid's 18 years old. And then I think back to all the times in my life where I've been sitting at some fucking party where they're watching Ohio State play Michigan and 50 year old men are like, I wish he would fucking die. And then you're like, I don't know, I just took all the romanticism out of this football for me. I enjoy the tension between that 50 year old man and the 18 year old athletic wunderkind in SpongeBob square pants, pajama pants, taking the practice field.

It's adorable. There's somebody who's ready to murder a stranger over a missed field goal. And there's someone on the field who's like, yeah, you know what? I'm more of a Patrick guy, actually. That's exactly. So yeah. And that teacher was such a prick to the kid that played football too Like and and it start he was an adjunct of course. They're not gonna well

Sorry the South Park libertarian fedora wearing guy didn't like Like a really high level almost like pro athlete Not nice to the guy man They get the guy would be like a couple minutes late to class. He'd be like, you think you can get away with that in here? You're wrong. You know what I mean? But did he say that to anyone? You were late all the time. Oh, right. No, I'm never late. I'm always on time. Uh, no, he was, I was old, so I don't count as like a student. You know what I mean? Like when you're 36 and you're in college, it's a lot different

because like first of all, the teachers all just treat you like they're your friend. You know what I mean? Like I had one teacher that asked me for advice about her son because he was doing drugs all the time and he, uh, which, hey, you know, because he was doing drugs all the time and he uh which hey you know came to the right guy class was really cool yeah it was called sociology of gangs if you took are you didn't take a gang come on the violence gang guy took a gang's class well first of all i was never in a violence gang and i wanted to learn about gangs were you okay okay? Did you what? What prompted you to go to the gangs? Was it just to kind of like, were you going to go there to be like, let's see like what they really know about it? Like, did you go in as the expert sort of, or?

Yeah, I went in and said, uh, okay, how many of you guys are feeding one of your friend's birth control and then punching him in the face to And if that's not fucking happening, this is not a gang yeah Did you did you feel as though you you learned a lot from that class or? Sounds like you were teaching that you were you were teaching the teacher really right? I will say no She did teach me a lot, Okay, but one day after class, I had to ask for a letter of recommendation for something right for to get into a gang. Not to get it. Yes.

Can you get me jumped into the crypt? I'm going straight MS 13. I didn't go to college to get into a language, my own language gang. I need to level up. I go, I go, yeah, can I get a letter of recommendation? She starts talking to me and then we start talking about, she goes, my son, he's on drugs and I sent him to one of those boot camps where they take them out into the woods and like scream at him for a week or whatever make him shit in the hole

and that didn't help though. She's like he came back didn't do anything for him. What would you do? And I was like brother I don't know. I think I told her what I always say about myself, which is yeah, it is like You can do some drugs, you know I mean, well, I think you were sort of evidence you went to you were you're 36 years old you you got your life together You're back in university, right? So you you know, I think that's I mean you're taking sociology of gangs, but Did you come back to this woman and say, have you considered allowing your child to do drugs? No, I, well, I didn't. No, it sounds like what you're, it sounds like what you said. It does sound like that's what you said. Yeah. Kind of. I said, listen,

lady. Okay. Okay. I had a crazy drug habit as well. I mean, I was, I spent $600 a week on pills and and I did go to Ohio State. So I was like, I'm taking I was taking all these fucking pills. It was crazy. I went to rehab. They kicked me out of rehab. So I got, you know, I didn't even make it through rehab. I was like, and I'm relatively clean now. And I told her, like, all I do is like smoke weed and every once in a while, somebody has some drugs. I'll take some drugs, you know, but I don't go searching for drugs. Right. And she was

like, oh, that's very like a mature way to look at it. And I was like, yeah, just tell your son that. And then she wrote me a letter of recommendation and we never spoke again, but I did. I told her maybe a little kid can have some drugs as a treat every now and then. You know, I think he was an older guy and I think sending a guy to a boot camp. Is the worst way to deal with something like that, I think. I think the way I explained it to her was like when I quit the. Stefan, what are you doing over here playing around?

Hello, oh he froze. I step in. Hey, sorry I my Firefox crashed there for some reason, but yeah, you were you were giving this teacher advice about doing drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, I helped her out. It's very nice this week on guys. We're talking about doing drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, I helped her out. It's very nice this week on guys. We're talking about college guys. That's why I ask everybody what college they went to.

That's not like a normal thing for guys, because most of the people that do this show are fucking idiots. Yeah. It's a show hosted by two. That's not changing this week, buddy. So I went and I looked at our slash frat because those guys love college. So is okay, because you I know you were looking at like our

slash college, our slash frat. What is the general tenor? I mean, we're going to find out. But what is the general tenor of these subreddits? Because is the frat stuff just like, is it people reminiscing about being in frats? Is it people asking for frat advice? Is it kind of just, it's both. We're going to look at a lot of reminiscing. Okay. That's kind of what I figured. Yeah. A lot of weird old guys. This episode is going to be, yes, we're talking about college, but we're really talking about

weird old guys. Wonderful. You know what I mean? Yeah. Not like me when I was there because here's the deal. I was yes. 36. When I went to college, I went to campus. I did the college.

I went home and raised my kid. You know what I mean? Like, were you, were you the oldest guy in your class? Oh, a lot of times, not every time, but like a lot of times when I, once I switched to Ohio state, so I went once I switched to Ohio State, so I went for two years to community college. Good. Right. Good. Shouts out to community college.

I loved it. Seriously, fantastic opportunity, local, easy, convenient, often with way better instruction and way more personal attention than you're going to get at a large university. Yeah, respect to community college. Totally right. You're 100, I mean, I think I got more out of my two years at community college than I did at Ohio State. That's what everyone says. My aunt and uncle taught at community college for a

long time and they would always say like, yeah, people would come here for two years and then go to like a bigger college and they're like so much better prepared for it because of the two years of community college. Yeah, it really was. I only failed like one class at community college, and that's because I just it was humanities. And I just I can't read that crap. You know what I mean? Can you define very briefly, can you define? Can you define that crap?

Well, a lot of it was like Plato and stuff like that. Oh, that's true. Plato was a dumbass. Well, quote me on it. I really like Plato a bitch. You can just there. Well, quote me on it. Playdough a bitch. It's crazy because it's the worst day. One of the worst days for me was I was reading, you know, we were assigned this playdough or whatever. And I was reading it, but I couldn't get through it. And I was like, fuck it. So I was like, I'm going to go to the exam. I'm sure the exam is just a bunch of multiple choice questions. I'll kind of have an educated guess

because I'll know what the guy's talking about and it wasn't, it was an essay. Oh no. Oh no. Okay. I just had to sit down and write an essay about stuff I never read. I should have just got up and left

and I wish I could get my hand on those essays now. What was the general, like how did it go do you think? For you? It was me guessing at what Plato might say? Okay, see I think you could actually you're the type of guy I think you could actually you sort of are a philosopher of the streets in some ways So I think you could sort of accidentally get there. Just trying to guess what somebody would say that you have no Yeah, what's your what's your you know I'm, stuck inside a cave. Yeah. Sounds like it sucks.

Okay. You know what? Do you think that there is a single iconic white monster energy can that all of us have in our head that is the basis for the one that we produce in real life? I, I, I wish I could see him. I wish I could, I got a zero on it, by the way. I don't know. Wow.

It was that bad. If you don't know anything, if you don't know anything about a guy and then you're just writing what you think a guy would say based on his name. Yeah, because some teachers will give you like they'll give you like one mark for like putting your name on the test just to make sure you're like paying attention and doing all the. Probably disliked me once they read like lack of effort in the class you know what I really want to see this as I would do anything to see what you're saying is

that you actually lost points the further you went into the essay you probably started with like a 30 and then the antipathy just built to the point where the instructor said, fuck this guy. I mean, I would be like, okay, you can't guess on essay questions. It's not like I think so. Anyway, I was looking at this and I found this interesting. This is all of our slash frat. The guy goes alumni. Have you visited your fraternity after graduation? He goes, if yes, are there the same or different than your time?

What do you like or dislike about how your fraternity is doing these days? I'm genuinely curious to hear your perspective. So, uh, one, if, if I had to guess now and none of these people, I hadn't read any of these answers, I would say no. I have, yeah, it seems like I can't imagine any of like the 18, 19, 20 year old frat guys are like excited when the old guy shows up to like reminisce about 20 years ago. No, sir. It seems so strange to do. It seems so like I get it when you go and walk around college campus that you went to. Sure. I mean, like whatever.

It's a beautiful Ohio State's a beautiful campus. We'll walk around it, take a look. Spencer, is that true? Is Ohio State a beautiful campus? Do you know if that's- It's all right, yeah, I mean it's pretty good. Listen, it's a nice, listen, it's a nice Midwestern looking spot.

Like that's, you know, it's not Ann Arbor, I gotta admit, Michigan's got a prettier campus. I know. This guy goes- Point, point, I will say you kick an Illinois ass. You're absolutely thinking Illinois. That's it's weird growing up around here because like you go to other colleges and the campuses seem really small to you.

But it's because your campus is so much a monster. Yeah. Yeah. Then everything else that you're like, oh, what do you guys do around here? But because it's huge. This guy goes, when I was active, I would occasionally find a friendly 20 or 30 year old drinking a beer in a lawn chair on our porch. Upon talking to him, I would found out he was an alumni

passing through town, stopping to enjoy a treasured porch beer. Now that I'm an alumnus, I sure enjoy stopping for a porch beer when I'm in town or passing through that That seems really that just seems kind of weird to me It's sort of it has the same vibe of like hobos in the 1920s. This is just being a vagrant Yeah, I was gonna like a carving a little symbols being like, okay, it's okay. It's safe to have a porch beer here They do have a beer bong here

It's okay. It's safe to have a porch beer here. They do have a beer bong here. This is yeah, this is a code message somewhere in the lyrics of Rock Candy Mountain, right? That's luxury vagrant behavior. Yes. Yeah. It's also very funny. It reminds me of like when I was in high school and a guy that had already graduated was there sort of visiting one of his teachers after school was over, you know, that I can sort of understand because maybe the teacher inspired them. Maybe they taught them about gangs or loose change or something. But yeah, this is just like, you had a really good time like drinking there for four years or whatever. And a porch beer,

it just the whole thing. It makes me uncomfortable to think of a guy being like 30 graduated for 10 years. And he's just like, you know what? I have a convention here in town. I'm going to stop in. I'm going to sit on a porch. I'm going to drink one of their beers. Maybe some people will come and get some wisdom from me. It's really gonna be great. I think that's what they're looking for. They wanna be approached by the frat guys. Is there any reply in this post about,

like from someone who is like young and in a frat, saying like, yeah, we love it when the old guys show up and drink our beers. Well, this guy goes, homecoming, fundraisers, and weddings normally gain my attendance. I think the dynamic is pretty much the exact same with a perfect balance of rowdy and wholesome. Granted, I'm about two and a half years out, so I'm entering the gray area where

I'm about to be the old guy that wasn't active with any of the current actives. However, the house is so welcoming and fun, especially when there are alumni in town. So I normally meet all the AM's execs and make it a point to connect with as many guys as possible. Further granted, I'm on the alumni board, but that doesn't make each track back to my alma mater and home chapter house any better or worse. And the guy replies and goes, brother, you're the old guy already. You just have yet to accept it. Yeah. I think if you're on the alumni board, even if you're like old guy already. You just have yet to accept it.

Yeah, I think if you're on the alumni board, even if you're like, I mean, this guy sounds like he's like 24 on the alumni board. That's I mean, that's old guy behavior. Being on a board. I think there's an orbit, though. It's weird if you're the 30 year old guy who shows up for a porch beer. But I do think old school holds true here. I think if you're the 60 year old guy hanging out on the porch,

having a porch beer for some reason That's cooler. I didn't say cool. It's closer to cool if you're the 60 year old guys like yeah I just came by the old friend. I think you're right. Yeah, be so hype as a 19 year old feel like oh my god There's a weird grandpa out there. Just housing a beer. I think that's a good point It's sort of like the the side show Bob like rake thing where it like stops being funny And then it starts being funny again, like I think you're right There's there's like this this curve sort of where yeah like 30 35. I don't know That's that's like kind of creepy and then old it's like well

He's just some like old drunk sitting in our front yard like that's that's just inherently funny this guy goes Yeah, I try to stop in once a year usually for homecoming, but sometimes on a random weekend. I like it for the most part. I'm proud. Everyone seems solid, nice, and they're all well adjusted. They're also not wusses either. So that's a plus. I'm not happy conducting like tests of like masculinity to these like kick in the door and be like, that's it. 100 pushups right now. Right now.

I'm not happy about the hair. These guys have these broccoli bro hair. That's just awful. God, if I were rich, I'd drop them off with my credit card at a Ralph Lauren with a J crew close by. They dress awful too. And the music is trashed. This Xanax rap music is just no, I can't even hear what words these rappers are saying. Oh, okay. So that took a little bit of a turn there. I

Why don't you guys listen to fallout boy anymore It's really what he's saying. Wait, imagine dragons isn't cool That's fucking crazy. Yeah, you guys still bumping Rihanna. Come on that is wild to come in and just be like I'm the if I was rich man, I get you guys all a haircut is such a weird way to act like about It's it's a it's a really great example of like this is like such a classic reddit thing of like I mean there is a whole You know subreddit called am I the asshole and this is just a guy Reddit thing of like, I mean, there is a whole subreddit called Am I the Asshole?

And this is just a guy who doesn't even have the self-awareness to think maybe he's being the asshole. But it sounds like he is 30 years old, once a year he goes into a frat, bullies a bunch of children, and makes fun of what they're wearing, makes fun of their haircut, makes fun of the music they listen to. And then like, yeah, like you said, like tests how like wussy they are. Yeah.

Like just coming in, even just a guy coming in and be like, what are you, some kind of fucking wuss? Like, you're picturing a 35 year old man shotgunning a beer and then calling some kid with a broccoli haircut a wuss. It's like- Yeah, way funnier if they do this in reverse. and calling some kid with a broccoli haircut a wuss. It's like. Yeah. Way funnier if they do this in reverse. Like if he shows up and they're like, buddy, we're getting you the broccoli haircut.

We're going to get you so hooked on only the most zanied out rap imaginable. Yeah. Yeah. They should be the ones getting bullied. You're right. Because I think what it is is that I think when they're in the frat, it's like there's the seniority obviously, right? So like you know you're in fourth year whatever fifth year You're you're sort of the guy in charge, and then and then you've like the freshmen and everything right

And I think they assume that seniority like keeps going forever So the older you get the more like sway you hold within the frat Yeah, guys stops in and he's like sack tapping people and stuff like that. Like, what the fuck are you doing, sir? Also, the drug thing is mystifying to me because why would you come in, and I say this as somebody who went to what I would call a pharmaceutical active campus, why would you come in and go,? You guys are doing the wrong drugs. Irem. No, no, they're all they're wrong They're they're all wrong. They're all They're all super bad, you know, like

I'm not i'm not saying don't do them. I'm just saying be prepared. There's a cost brother. Yeah I guess nope I was in grad school at the same university and would occasionally go to a party but it was never the same I was in grad school at the same university and would occasionally go to a party, but it was never the same The brothers always loved seeing me there But I barely knew anyone and I was a TA as part of my program So I could lose my funding if I so much as looked at a girl wrong I don't like I don't like this guy at all by the way I'm gonna tell you I want to be on the record to tell you that this guy named Tarantino's favorite word is

Jesus Christ, okay One time I did tell my feet one time I did tell my student I give him an a if he could chug his beer faster than me. I finished it through the empty can at the wall and caught him a pussy dude rush that semester. Hello. Well, I really like that. He's openly saying like, well, I would like creep on all of the young women there, but I don't want to lose my job. I know. Obviously like I am just to be clear. I am a creep, but I just you know, I don't want to stop being

a TA. He is doing that thing that honestly he's doing something that used to happen in the late 90s really early 2000s. Like when you think about the Olson twins, when people had those countdown clocks for when they become legal. Like when Bill Simmons had one. Did he have one?

I believe he had mentioned, there are several awkward mentions. Awkward is probably the most terrible. Back during the page two days Yeah, yeah back back when I really don't think anyone knew that the internet could be seen in public Because it is it really was a thing that was going on I guess this was an opiate Anthony at the time and Howard Stern and they all were doing it You know what I mean? So here's a guy on our slash Fred. He's got a serious problem

This is tagged the flare on this is serious. Okay Should we expel this pussy? This is not a joke There's an older member in our chapter that has caused a lot of problems with the executive board, spreading rumors about them and talking shit behind brothers backs. He's had several talks about it, but then decides to cry about it or always play the victim card. He's constantly trying to break bylaws and get other people in trouble with him. He's not necessarily anyone's close friend, but he still has some tight connections within the chapter being on exec. At one point. No one really knows what to do with them at this point. So I'm

looking for advice here. Now I read this and I feel as though they're taught, is this guy a senior or this guy out of school? I don't know who, what you do to be on the executive board of a fraternity. I was like, maybe he'd be a senior because can you sell a guy from a frat when he's like 40? I mean, I guess you could. I've seen people join frats in their 40s. So I've read a bunch of people asking if they should do that. No, you don't want that, you know, marginally. This is, by the way, why, like among a thousand reasons why I didn't join fraternity, this

is men talking about other feelings, other men's feelings. I know. And having feelings about other men. I don't, I didn't go to college for that. I don't socialize for that. I socialize to avoid those and to follow a niche interest with others. A parallel play. You can't engage in parallel play if you're in a frat.

You have to interact with people. Try to do that. I went to college to take mushrooms and play FIFA 09 and get to the point where we were so high on mushrooms that my friend refused to run the ball through the shaded area of the stadium. So I beat him like 20 to nothing. That's the college experience to me.

Yeah, like the 90s version of that is doing ketamine and playing Tetrasphere. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I had that experience playing MLB baseball and PlayStation one. Yeah. I took acid and like me and this guy are playing and you know how like in the old baseball games, if you don't grab the ball and throw it to the pitcher, it just goes, it keeps going. It keeps going. You're stuck out there. Guy hits like the ball and hits the back wall of the place. It bounces.

It sits there and I'm the guy and I, all of a sudden, like the acid trip went from when the pitch was thrown, everything's really good. When the ball was hit, everything's really good. When the ball was hit, everything's really bad. It was like that. It was one of those things where it like changed on a dime. And so I was like sitting there holding the controller and I kept taking the guy and running them into the wall. And he would run into the wall fall down and go get up and then move back a little bit. And then I'd run them into the wall, and get up and move back.

And I just was like, I did that for like 10 minutes. And the dude was like, I'm fucking serious, dude. If you don't fucking stop like I started getting yelled at. You were playing with someone. Yeah. OK, I thought you were playing by yourself. It was screaming. It was very strange. It's like one of those weird nights that I I I where I did acid that I remember because the police came right

The police came because you were playing a video game. So no there was a lot going on Okay, this place this I lived in a garden apartment Yeah, which was attached to like five other apartments and like ten of us would do acid there every night, so It's just so loud and people running around the neighborhood being obnoxious every night and the cops came one night and I was I was like they parked out in front of the apartment. They were talking to a neighbor. They weren't even there for us. But they were parked in front of our apartment.

So they were there for you. So yeah, we were just like, Oh my God, what's going on? Oh my God. Everybody came in the house and everybody's in the house going like they wouldn't come to the door if we were quiet. And I finally stood up. I stood in front of fucking thing and I was like, this is my house.

I will not be a prisoner in my own home. And I started giving this fucking speech to my friends. And they were like, they were like, OK, dude, whatever, just shut up. And then I walked outside and the cops were talking to my neighbor about something that happened in their house. I just ran back inside. Yeah, I think I goes, put it to. Oh, I'm back inside. Yeah. I goes, put it to a vote. Have the discussion at the end of the day.

A fraternity is a democratic institution and just let the process run its course. Even if he isn't expelled, maybe the process will get him to realize that he should do a just drop or beat. Stop being a dick. Now, this is a semi normal answer to the question followed by sea salt who has a strange answer to this question. Okay. Just his idea of what a fraternity is might be one of the stranger ideas that I've ever

on a show. All right. You're thinking of a sorority of fraternity isn't a democracy. It's more of an oligarchy with a paramilitary hierarchy. First of all, how dare you say a sorority does not have paramilitary characteristics? Have you met one woman who organized things at a sorority? I argue that you have not because paramilitary doesn't... That's military. You could take the pair right off.

Older influential brothers run shit and might makes right. The younger brothers need to pay their dues to prove themselves. A relatively unpopular shy sophomores opinion is of little consequence and certainly not equal to that of social leaders that run shit. Execs are mostly try hard tools utilized for the handling of bitch work. I mean, guy, you're in a fraternity. This is like, honestly, this dude is like Shaq, you know, and Shaq talks about at any point talks about his fraternity experience. Like when he's about to eat the hot chip he's like yeah I went to Omega Psi 5 that's that's like being in the military like a thousand military guys are like no no I think the closest thing for me is that I'm in uh I'm in like a really insane keeper hockey league that's been going on for like 11, 12 years at this point. And it's like super serious.

Once a year we go on like a big weekend trip. We like draft in person, we have like farm teams. It's like really, really psycho and insane. So I do sort of understand the feeling of like being a part of something like this. I wouldn't consider it, I don't consider it to be like a paramilitary thing. And when we've had issues with people in the pool in the, in the pool in the past, uh, normally you

just like send them an email saying that they're like kicked out of the league. So this is figure out of spider league. Yeah. Yeah. And on the list of tough groups of people, frat is relatively low on that. Like if you had a scale of like groups of tough guys, frat is under like 500 different things in my opinion. Yeah, were they even mentioned in your gang class that you took? No, we hated frat guys when I was in when I was hanging out with my boys and Grove board that this is the violence gang. We fucking hate them.

We never met one in my life up until like way later on in life because campus felt campus was a 20 minute drive from where we grew up, but it felt like it was a 10 hour drive. So we were never there. We were, you know, in Grove Court. And it's just, I think we had heard about frat guys and, and my friend had a brother that was in college and he had run a foul of some frat guys and and my friend had a brother that was in college and he had run afoul of some frat guys okay so he would come home every once in a while and he would be like there's these fucking frat guys man there a bunch of fucking pussies boys out trying to beat people up they're jumping them and it was like oh I hate those guys like oh I those guys. I'd fuck them up if I went there.

You know what I mean? So yeah, could have been a good fight. You never encountered them in person though. It's definitely the only time I ever went to campus was to buy a bong or go to a corn concert. Those are the only two times. That's that's exactly why you should go to Canada. Those are the only two times that's that's exactly why you should go to camp. Those are the two reasons. Yeah. OK, I'm going to go see corn. That's on campus or ICP campus.

I feel like you could knock out the corn and bong thing in one trip also. Right now, I failed in English class because. All I had to do is take the test. If I got more than a zero, I would pass the class. Okay. But before the final exam, my friends were like, we're going to go up to campus and get a bong. And I was like, well, I'm not going to miss out on that. And you wait, you failed in English class because you had to your friends had to go

buy a bomb. Yeah, I went with them. That's some bong. To like help pick it out or? No, I wasn't allowed in the store. You didn't even go in the store? No. Now I have any choice or anything.

I just stood, I waited in the car and they brought the bong out. You got to use the bong, right? Yeah, I did, dude. Okay, all right, okay. Always going crazy on that bong. You know what I mean. Is it okay to lie about your age in college?

This is from r slash college I went back to school as an adult. I'm 32 So this guy and I are pretty close. I was I think he's a tv. This is a tv high schooler. Yes Yeah, i'm 32 and have been back in school for one year. However Despite being 32 most people I think I think I look at my 20s, like 23 to 25. Okay. I will tell you, I absolutely love being in college. The people I meet, the trips we take, I'm really trying to make the most of this experience.

I'm currently maintaining a 4.0 GPA, but I'm also in a few different clubs. I'm in the process of starting a billiards club. I'm working on an internship over the summer and just got offered a job for when the internship's over. We go skiing and mountain biking and take trips to conferences in New York city and new Orleans and all over the place after working BS jobs and working open to close and dealing with customer service, et cetera. College is like an escape to a resort. However, a problem tends to come up when my age is brought up.

So that all sounds very nice. open to close and dealing with customer service, et cetera. College is like an escape to a resort. However, a problem tends to come up when my age is brought up. So that all sounds very nice. Now we get to the part where he goes, everyone I meet, we tend to hit it off. We get along in class and club meetings on trips we take, et cetera. I get invited over for poker games or cookouts. Everything's great. Then I get asked my age and I tell him 32 and I just see their entire body language shift. Yeah, dude. He got hold on you.

No shit. I mean, come on, Narc. Narc. Narc. They are genuinely shocked and don't tell me they thought I was just a really mature 23 years old. At first. I just took it as flattering thinking surely all the good

times we've had won't get outweighed by my age, but it does seem to make a difference to them. I won't get invited as much. They want to hang out on campus. They won't wanna hang out on campus. Sometimes I ask myself, why do I care what a bunch of kids who are 12 years younger

than I am thinks? That's the question you should be asking. That's the, but okay. So he moves on from that pretty quick. It sounds like asking the correct question of yourself, but it just sucks getting dismissed for something that's out of your control and doesn't change. Who am I or the quality of engagement I bring at first.

I thought it was just one group, but then it happened again. Great times with new people. I met then get asked my age then ghosted. So my question is, is it okay to just lie? I feel like if I just told them I was 24, they wouldn't feel so weird and we could keep hitting it off. But part that is a thing to do. Don't do that. If you're in your 30s and you're hanging out with a bunch of teenagers, or even people in their early 20s, do not tell them that you're

24. That is always not a good idea. And also it sounds like a lot of people already know your age. So like, if you start lying to like one group of people, they're going to find out that you are 32 and then they're going to be like, it's weirder that you lied about your age rather than just saying you're 32. That that is like the really psycho thing to do Like it's also going to be telltale signs like a book so I rented a car Yeah, or by the way, I'm starting I'm starting a billiards club, which apparently this guy

You guys never heard of a hustler It's gonna stack up on you real fast, buddy. You guys ever seen the color of money? Because it's not black and white. He's like, it's a newer movie. But part of me feels like I shouldn't have to lie. But if they really don't want to hang out with me just because of my age, I should just move on and think of it as their loss. And listen, I'm not asking if I should lie so I can be

a weirdo. Yeah. Well, yeah, you are though. I don't want to. I don't want to lie about my age and pretend I'm someone I'm not because I'm strange. I want to do it because I'm, I'm malevolent. I'm doing this for a very normal reason by the way. I'm not hanging with 20 year olds. I'm not asking about sleeping with girls or trying to do anything unethical. I'm just looking for a second perspective on considering this so I can make the most of this decision to go back to school. I mean, don't women lie about their age all the time? I don't know. I mean, no, not as much as this guy thinks they do, yeah. Also, like honestly, if that were your concern,

why would that not be an advantage? You could go to a woman who was looking for a partner, point to your competition, and simply say, I have a headboard and credit. Yeah, that guy's 19. They don't know anything. Here's a guy asking an interesting question on r slash right rushing at 29. Is 29 too old?

I know the answer. Did that guy not get any? He got no responses at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all right. Well, that's probably for the best. Is 29 too old? I know. Yes. I know the answer is yes, but I use the search button and some people were saying that people in their late 20s, early 30s in their pledge class. What schools a big state top party school. I probably won't get a bid unless I lie about my age as someone else has had had done who was 30 plus and initiated and the brothers found out they were deciding if they should kick him out.

But he was really cool. I don't know if it's worth lying about my age, but I do look early 20. These guys are all. Very common. Yeah, I look early 20. No, you don't. Yeah, you definitely don't. Yeah, no.

Take that hat off and say that again. Yeah, exactly. I wanna see the hairline. I wanna see the expanding jowls. Come on. The hairline is. I know the hairline of jowls will give you away every time.

I just went to this big metal festival Sonic temple Where where corn played and so did Metallica played a couple? Shows and and and like corn gets on stage, and I'm watching them, and I'm just like oh my god These guys all have hair plugs like every one of them. Mm-hmm. I think good ones Oh, yeah, and I think. Good ones. Oh yeah, and I think they got dreadlocks installed on their head.

Oh my God. Because that's, I'm gonna show you, I'll show you a picture. I showed this on my stream yesterday. And I saw it and I was like, come on. Well, okay, Tom Walker thinks that it might might Tom Walker thinks it might be a wig. I don't think so. But this is a crazy picture.

I'm going to show you guys a picture right now and you're going to see this guy is one of the guys from corn. This is one of the guys from corn. Okay. All right. This is from 2025. Oh, fucking. Okay.

Well, let me go back. Sorry, guys. Okay. Let me go back. Sorry, guys. Okay. I'm going to just show you. I'm going to share my screen here and show you guys what this guy's hair looks like. Okay.

And like, okay, so I have them on screen here. Right. These are all pictures from 2025. Yeah. And he is in his 50s now. And this is the fakest hair anybody's ever had. That's a really full head of hair. The hairline is like perfect.

Are those dreads? Yes, they are. Those are dreads. Okay, so you're trying to tell me that as a 50 year old man with a full head of dreads? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. You know what?

Imagine, I want you to imagine if your dad came home with a full helmet full of dreads, it would be the greatest day of my life. Holy shit. Well, I'd be ecstatic. That was my question. I was like, wait, wait, because I always wanted dreadlocks when I was a kid. Obviously, huge corn fan. Can I go to Turkey and get dreadlocked? Brian, no.

Can I? I want you to get, no, I want the full Istanbul, buddy. I want the veneers. I want the dreads. I want you to achieve European male excellence all at once. J.F. and I have talked about doing like a long-term subscriber goal on Go Off Kings where we both go to Turkey and get our hairline fixed. Did you know what I would do? Holy fuck. I would triple a subscription. I would give you guys $1,000 each to go to Turkey and get the full Master Shake plastic surgery kit. I just want to look like a Chad.

You know, I think that would be so good. Oh, hey, don't get one of those broccoli cuts. OK, I don't I don't think I would do that. I mean, I'll say this. I think the the thing that has made me feel better about my I've got the combination big forehead, receding hairline. And the thing that has made me feel so much better about it and feeling like represented is Walton Goggins.

Yeah, yeah. It just like I mean, he's a very handsome guy, obviously, but like he pulls that off so well, he has a big ass forehead and his hairline is going fucking crazy. You know what he has to balance it, though, that he has obviously had installed as a secondary part for years. That's right. I mean, he's got a gigantic set of choppers. Spencer, that was the other thing is so on night two, we get there. Me and my brother are like, we're going to see Metallica.

We've never seen Metallica before. It's like a bucket list sort of thing for my brother. He really wanted to see him. We see him. They put the camera on James Hetfield. Lars Alvarek's way behind him on the drums. You can see Lars Alvork's veneers. Almost like the camera is trying to focus on James

but it can't because there's this like really bright white thing in the back of the shot. And I just was like, it is very funny that heavy metal guys are getting the surgeries and stuff. The craziest veneers to me are Jurgen Klopp's. Jurgen Klopp has, listen Klopp has undergone this full transformation. Not only does he have admittedly the plugs, when asked about them he said, yes I think the results are quite spectacular, don't you? Like he was telling, he's telling everybody,

like the most German dude ever, he's like, why would I lie? Yes, had them installed, they're beautiful. It's really good, like, but the veneers, like, cause he's in the, in the Travago commercials, right? And I think it's to the point where a lot of people just know him as the Travago veneers guy. Yeah.

Because they, they look so crazy. But I mean, if he's into it, I love it. Travago veneers guy. Yeah. Because they look so crazy. But I mean, if he's into it, I love it. I'm getting like teeth stuff done right now. And like, I will say this, I had a dentist years ago, who told me that my lip goes too low. And it looks like I might not have teeth on the top. And he was like, you know what we can do to fix that? Veneers. And I was like-

Brian with veneer. Brian with veneers and dreads. I moved, I switched Dennis. Yeah. I switched Dennis because I was like, oh my God, this guy's gonna try to do like plastic surgery on me. You know what I mean?

But you would get upsold into getting veneers and stuff. That's why I got away from it. You know what I mean? But you would get upsold into getting veneers and stuff. That's why I got away from it. You know what I mean? Now I'm just getting the implants for stuff that's missing is all. Right. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, and it sucks and I hate it and I'm really mad at my own. As I've said, I'm very mad at my dentist because he didn't give me any good pills. No, man, listen, we need to get we need to get you Jesse and Stefan in for the full

Turkish pit stop we need you to come out looking like Love Island contestants Yeah, I want I need to be on one of those flights where it's all the guys coming back with the with the hair plugs They're not because you can't wear hats for like six months or something or however long it is I wouldn't even need a hat ever again well, I think I think you would want to have a hat covering it up for the first little while when it looks like Your head is not stabbed. Yeah. Oh, I just really want hair plugs. Yeah, and the BBL Let's just throw in a BBL there too might as well honestly. Yeah, I would do anything for hair

I didn't have hair when I was supposed to have hair. You know what I mean when I was a teen I shaved my head and I was supposed to have hair. You know what I mean? When I was a teen, I shaved my head and now I can't back on it. Can I say something though? I think like, I haven't, this is my first time meeting you. I think, and I mean this in a complimentary fashion, I think you've got a bald soul. That's true. So I think your soul is bald. It's an honest soul. It's there. It's good. You got a good looking head. That's important for, to be bald. You're comfortable with it. You got a good cranial structure, right? You don't have an ugly lumpy head if I thought I looked bad bald

I would do something because I wanted hair so bad when when in 1995 When I got way into corn and stuff like that. I was like I gotta draw grow dreadlocks I gotta get these fuckers. This is this has been a long-term goal for you was like, I gotta grow dreadlocks. I gotta get these fucking. So this has been a long-term goal for you. Yeah. I want hair. I wanna do things with hair. Everybody else got to do things with their hair.

I didn't, I just shaved it, except for that period where I had the bangs hanging down the front and the rest of it was shaved. I love that, yeah. I mean, that would be so funny for you to go get hair plugs Like just in the front there. Yeah, and then and then get like the rest of your hair like removed Yeah, you're just forced to have like that fringe I mean laser surgery to get rid of the hair on top of my head the fire starter. Yeah

Here's a professor asking an interesting question Using AI to write comments, am I terrible? I fully expect to be sad. Yes, that's not good. You should not do that. All of these questions are just like, the answer is yes immediately. Yes, don't do this stuff.

Don't use AI. I fully expect to be savaged for this, but I have started to use an AI I have trained with my syllabus and assignments to write formative feedback I read each assignment as usual formulate What would be my feedback great at myself and then ask AI to write the feedback? I redact students names so that the AI never has access to their info lie

That seems like somebody All of the all the college students shit like all of their shit is AI as well, right? Like I I was I was Talking to my partner's cousin who's like she's like 21 or 22 and has just graduated and she's like, yeah We all just use AI for basically fucking everything Yeah, so like this is the point where like if the if the fucking professors are using it as well It's like when people would set up a prank call We're like they would get like one dominoes to call another dominoes. Right. And it's just, it's just this like loop and it's like, no one's learning anything. No, no, no, no. Yeah. My daughter

talks about chat GPT all the time. Oh, I put it in chat GPT and it's like, we shouldn't do that. But what are they, what are you going to do? They're not going to listen to you, you know? So what's, what's the, are people telling this professor that's a bad idea? Or because I read the first the professor lies and goes, I read that student's name so the AI never has access to their info. I'm extremely over nice. And the AI is less kindly. My students respect me more secretly.

I don't think I'm a monster. I tell it this paper is on target with X Y and Z is poorly organized and lacks logic Please write comments that are firm clear and yet have some grace. It is better at it than I am I hate myself now on some level but also is that bad? I Mean, yes, it's all bad. You should quit. Yeah. Yeah, you should be a teacher Yeah, yeah, this is like the honestly man. This is like the surgeon walking in and saying, yeah, you know, like I just let the robot do all the cutting. That's it. I just, I just let the robot do the

cutting. And that is the job is to be able to write the comments on the essays. And if you're reading the essays, then fucking Christ, dude, you're already doing the hard part This guy goes do what I wish my students would do and instead of using AI to do your writing ask it for tips On how to hit the tone you're trying to and learn it yourself Don't eat what don't ask it for don't ask no shit. Don't do that. Okay, throw your computer in a lake There was all of the all of these boil down to, like, can this AI give me a personality?

Basically? Yeah, that is what I know. And it really is fucked up that professors are asking AI to give them a personality. Like, that is where it's like, yeah, of course, students are using AI. Students will use anything they possibly can. You know what I mean?

And especially because as I, as I was reading stuff about this, like throughout the rest of the thread and stuff, it's like, there isn't really, the secret is there isn't really a program that can detect AI. Like they, the teachers know that there's not a program that can reliably catch AI. And then I even read one teacher saying that like one of her students is well liked by all the other teachers in the area, but every time she feeds that student stuff into the AI detector, it says they're using AI, but it doesn't happen in any other courses or something like that.

And she thinks that maybe he's not using AI, but he writes in a style that might be perceived as AI. You know what I mean? So it's just, there's a writing in a style that might be perceived as AI. That's the problem. That's probably better. I could get on this treadmill and I could run a 10-minute mile being real generous. I could get on a treadmill, run a 10-minute mile. Or I could get NFL Hall of Famer Julio Jones to get on this treadmill for me and run a six-minute

mile. We're not even talking about the same task. I could be like, well, it was done. Look, that's my time. Okay, cool. I'm glad to see that your brain is entirely broken there. It's just so crazy because like when I went to college, I was like, not learning anything the old fashioned way, you know, by like, by like not going to class or getting high or, you know whatever and like there's they're like going it's just like What is the point it's almost weird and kind of nerve-racking to me that the students That are trying are also doing this now

You know what I mean? Because you expect it from the fuck-ups the fuck-ups are to do it no matter what. And there's always going to be a percentage of fuck ups at college at high school like everywhere. I know I am one of them. But like this to me sounds like people who aren't fuck ups are also using this. I think they're even do it. Yeah they'll like at least write their essay but they'll still plug it into AI to be like, can you kind of like polish this for me? Which is like you that's still cheating. Like you can't do that. Well, let's take a look here at some sports stuff. This guy, older gentleman talking about sports in college basketball. It goes court storming. Yes or no.

I love a court storming. The sec is very strict on finding schools that do this. The bit B one G does not. Is that's a big 10, right? Am I stupid? Does not assess such a fine in either football or basketball. What are people's opinions? I'm a Michigan fan and out of every storming I've ever seen, almost always we are the losing team that gets stormed in both

football and basketball. We're usually the teams that gets upset, but I think it should be allowed even being on the losing side of court storms. Mostly I think it motivates the team and there's nothing better than as a fan participating in a big upset because if it's a one point game, you being a fan may have helped. Oh, okay. Sorry. Um, I, I, I don't like it when people, I, Hey, we help. We're the fifth man. Uh, I still think it's a way, it's a way to be excited about your teams. When I disagree strongly with the sec rules that the court cannot be stormed without a fine. If Vanderbilt beats Auburn, sorry, Tigers fan. This is no disrespect. If you're number one, if someone storms the court on you, be happy about it because you

got stormed because you're the best. If you lose, it's the best thing that's ever happened for the opponent. Most big 10 fans don't want this to go away. So I'm curious to hear legit thoughts on if real people actually want this element of the game. And this is coming from a fan that has watched more storms against my team for over 20 years. I don't think it should be eliminated. Okay. So number one, this man has been what he's 20. He's at least 20, but he's at least 30 really. You can't really

under and he is saying, boy, do I love storming the court after a big victory. It's interesting because like as a Canadian fucking nobody cares about college sports up here. I would venture a guess that no one has ever stormed the court after a college sports game in Canada because the only college sports game in Canada. Because the only college sports that I mean you just be walking you just be walking onto the court it would just be you just walk over to say hi or a lot of

the times it's it's hockey so it's kind of like impossible to storm the court yeah because of the boards and the glass but it's it's just like not not a big thing up here and like I remember finding out just how big college sports are in the U S and just like my mind was blown. It's like, it's insane. Before I, I, we started this podcast. I was a kind of reading through some Ohio state stuff and, uh, there's a tradition at Ohio state, the week of the Michigan game where they jump in

mirror lake, which is a really crappy little Lake. Okay, that they drained recently. So people would stop jumping in it like they don't want people jumping in because one guy did a head. He died dove in and hit his head on the bottom and died and I okay go bucks. Yes, and it's freezing cold there. When they do it, it's November. So it's, it's very cold outside.

When I remember I was doing stand up, open mics, not impressive. A guy walked in soaking wet in his underwear when it was freezing cold outside. And he asked us where a certain road was. And we were like, that is eight blocks that you will not make it alive. So I had to pay for an Uber for the guy. Uh, but, uh, yeah, it was, it was very, it was this big thing. And now they put a fence around it. They had tried it first to ticket it.

So they put a fence around it with a little door it first to ticket it. So they put a fence around it with a little door and they got tickets first come first serve. You get your tickets. You get to jump into mirror Lake. Of course the fence got knocked over because Ohio state fans are fucking psychotic. They did it anyway. So now they're just like, if you do it, you're expelled. So the new thing, so they went, so they went completely the opposite direction. Yeah, they don't. They don't want people jumping in a lake when it's that cold outside.

So this old guy, really old guy who went to the college, like in the nineties goes like this. Once you guys go over and jump in the river, they'll be glad to have you jumping in the lake after you jumped into the river because that's even more dangerous. And I was like, Jesus Christ, that is the worst advice I have because jumping in a river. Well, the river is moving. The lake is like still water. So yeah. And the river has poop in it. I hate to tell people in Columbus, all these rivers have a bunch of poop in them. They funnel the poop into those rivers in town. That's how it works.

That's where sewage goes. So yeah, yeah. Like all these people giving us like really bad advice because back in their day, they did this thing that was extremely dangerous. You know what I mean? And like now they're like, well, we got to do it, which I'm fine with people doing dangerous. You know what I mean? And like now they're like, well, we gotta do it, which I'm fine with people doing it. You know what I mean?

I'm not like a Darwin awards guy, but I am kind of like, you know, it's a tradition, let them do it. So this guy goes, we'd like to see the players on the losing team get safely off the court before the storm commences. After that, go nuts. Now, that's a pretty reasonable thing to say.

So have you have you been in a court or field storming situation? No, Brian? No, I haven't been to a game actually. I have. I've been in multiple. Yeah. And I will tell you one. If someone is going to do this, you have to let not only the other team, but anybody on the team who wants to get the fuck out of there. You have to let them out. Like if they wanted to do this and you wanted to keep it.

And it's very funny who does this and who doesn't do this. Big 10 teams are like, Oh, it's, it's an open field. It's, it's, you know, just a sense of community. Come on down. And the SEC, it's the most like plantation mentality is like, that's our field. You stay the hell off it. Like, yeah, yeah. It's like, that's our field. You stay the hell off it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, that's property. Property has more rights than people. Like that's very much like the mentality at Florida. We'd never storm the field because there are dogs, cops with dogs who are waiting for people who are going to try it. It's the most like old South

bullshit you've ever seen in your life. But that said, they gotta give like an escape period because I have been on the field when everyone just decided to do it. And that real kind of primal panic that can set in in a crowd situation is active the minute it starts. And you're not getting out of there for a while when Michigan beat Ohio State for the first time in a long time, what, four years ago at this point. Oh, we don't talk about that. I'm talking about it because I was there. When that happened, it was fine and everyone was very well behaved, but it was close and it was real tight down there.

And there were moments when you had to say, I need a minute, I need to breathe and remember that these people are not going to trample there will not be but that's a possibility. Like it is nervy. That that stadium is so big in a way that like flat. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's a saw. It doesn't look big to me anymore because I live a mile from it. And I drive by all the time drop my daughter off of school. She lives right by it. So like it doesn't seem big, but you don't realize you when

you drive by it on the freeway during game day, it's like that is a massive people and it's over 100,000 people fit in that fucking stadium. You know, so this is really I'm so glad you said this because this next guy from the Indiana Hoosiers responded and said, players have virtually never been hurt in court storming incidents. Think of all the men think of all the many thousands of court

stormings that have occurred at the college level and then try to identify more than a couple of injuries that weren't fake. Looking at you, Philipowski, the injury thing as a concern, trolling from sore losers. It's a waste of breath. Even talking about it. Okay. It sure. It seems like this guy's sort of painting with a broad brush here. Like I'm, I'm sure there's been a lot of court stormings that haven't even necessarily

been like televised and, uh, I'm sure there's been a lot of court stormings that haven't even necessarily been, like, televised and I'm I'm sure there's been one or two injuries, right? Listen, one of the one of the biggest ones and it is It is I think on video if I can find it Yes, it was Caitlin Clark. So this is when Caitlin Clark This is when Caitlin Clark was, you Caitlin Clark was in her bag at Iowa. And you can see, and it is, by the way, if you want, I love this video because it has my favorite news construction,

which is, look at this idiot. I have shared it in the private chat with you if you would like to watch. The person who is not only doing something very stupid, is doing it in an egregious, flagrantly stupid way. Which is, if you can follow along here, this is Caitlin Clark trying to leave the court after being upset at the University of Iowa. And as she is leaving, not only does a fan collide collide with her it is a fan who is shooting a selfie

Video of them running onto the court like Homer Simpson ruining a sporting event. Let's see. Oh Yeah, it was a packed crowd very intense Celebration as good for storming the court. That's Iowa's Caitlin. I really fucked that lady up. Good. Oh, like running across, honestly, like running across the field, like a safety, like trying to knock someone out on a crossing route. That's what she was doing.

It is very funny for this guy to act like, oh, you know, nobody ever gets hurt. What's all the risk? There's no risk. This is concern trolling. Like if you live in a college sports town, you know, that the other team and the other fans are not it. Listen, I honestly, my brother one time was on campus shopping or something like that. He wasn't even there.

And it was during a game they were playing San Diego and he was wearing a San Diego hat because he's like me. He just fucking buys hats that look cool. Doesn't I don't even know what this team is. It's the bumblebees or something like that. I have no clue. Uh, but he was wearing the San San Diego state hat and they were playing Ohio state. And he said people were fucking really aggressive with him. This is before the game, too. Yeah. Before a game that Ohio State is probably going to win by 50. They're almost certainly going to win.

Yeah. I think it's one thing if it's like you're a big rival, but it's just like a small school that is going to get destroyed. I once saw the saddest bit of trash talk I've ever seen in my life was a Purdue fan at the, at the Kentucky Derby. So Kentucky Derby people, I think just show up in sports gear, just like gay sports. Like, what am I supposed to wear? Well, what you're supposed to wear is like a cartoon pimp suit. You're supposed to, you're supposed to show up and you're supposed to look like 1920s most daring brothel manager. And but if you don't have that, I guess what people from that area, like the Kentucky and Kentucky area do is they show up in sports gear.

And this guy from Purdue shows up and it was some year when I think Purdue had gone like one and 11 or two and 10 like they were dog shit. And Indiana had gone like two and 10 or one and 11. And it just so happened that Indiana had beaten Purdue barely. I'm sure it was a game with like 23 turnovers and the score was something like like nine to plaid, like just like scoring that you didn't even think was possible. Anyway, I'm walking out of the derby and this Purdue fan is walking alone, not bothering anybody.

And these three dudes in Indiana show up running. And they're like, yeah, eat a dick, Purdue sucks. Woo. And I remember thinking, before I could stop myself from speaking, I was like, you guys won two games this year. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. They were gone. They're already on another planet.

The Purdue guy looks at me and he's like, right? I mean, what did I do? I think Stefan's saying he's never he does. Like, I got to tell you, there is a garbage company in this like a literal garbage company that sells dumpsters. Yeah. Our rent out dumpsters and their logo is just a picture of an Ohio State fan or Ohio State team. One of the

guys trash talking a Michigan guy. He just tackled that their logo. It's their logo and it's a picture. It's not like a drawing or anything. It's just like the Michigan fans laying on the ground. The Ohio State fans up above them like talk like clearly talking shit and that's their logo for the company. Also every single M in this city has tape over it. All some of it all year. But right before the game, students go all over downtown and put tape. They tape X's over any sign that has an M, any sign with an M, any M anywhere. It is like,

psychotic here. Let me let me let me get the depths darker and scarier than they were before on how deep this rivalry goes. Stefan, we do a fundraiser every year and the fundraiser is team-based. So we ask people to donate in the terms of a score or an important number for their team or visa via rival. So we had a lot of 1310 donations this year from Michigan because that was the score of Michigan's victory over Ohio State at Columbus this year. So we got a lot of 1310s, got a lot of $131, right? There's a lot of themed donations.

We have one mega donor who is a Michigan fan and saw that Ohio State, who by the way, much respect, did really well this year. We get a ton of great Buckeye fans who donate, it's awesome. And they were in like fourth or fifth place. Michigan was in first. And at the end of one of the days, she emailed and said,

hmm, all right, I'm gonna donate to some other schools, but you guys are just gonna have to go with it. And we're like, okay, cool. And we noticed the other schools in the top 10 started to leap up and Ohio State started to drop by very specific amounts. And I was like, is she doing what I think she was doing, what I thought she was doing, which is donating just enough to knock Ohio State down one peg at a time. So that at the end of the day, they fell from like fifth to 11th through no fault of their own Because one person one person decided not today. Oh My god, I love that. Yeah, I mean I'm a fan of

the Vancouver Canucks who are like a notoriously bad team and so I Always feel weird when I see Canucks fans like trash-talking anyone else because it's just kind of like we we just don't have We don't have the right to do that. I know. I love that. I love garbage talk. Like we're down here. You live with us. And that's the problem with college college football specifically as all the teams are undefeated. Yeah. I mean all the top teams are undefeated anyway. So it's like you don't even have like real crap. Like if you're a crappy team that like if you lose two games in a year, I'm sure the attendance goes way down. Well, let's take a look at one more thing before we get out of here.

This is a thing that exists where I'm from and where many, many people are from. This is about college football. This is from our source CFB and this guy goes, what do students slash alumni think of non-students slash alumni? Fans. I didn't attend UGA, but my family did. And my sister's a current student. I was talking to my sister the other day and asked her what she thought of fans like me, she called me an idiot and said that fans like us are cool and all.

But then she said something that hit me like a ton of bricks. Just remember there's a difference between being a dog and being a dog fan. I'm the former and you're the latter. That's done. So is there a distinction between the students slash alumni fans and the fans that did not go there? Um, I want to say this in Ohio, the fans that did not go to the school are about a thousand times more psychotic

than the fans that they go to. Yeah, and they presumably outnumber them by a lot, right? Yeah. Yes. By a lot. Yeah. And you have to understand, like, part of college sports is that a lot of these teams

ended up being, they predate professional sports. So they were the professional sports, right? Franchise for this area and in some ways still are depending on where they are. Ohio is just crazily overindexed on football. Like, there's no you can't saturate the market there. Right. Like you could have the Browns and you can have the the Bengals and you can have Ohio State. You could probably put a third team in like they would be totally fine. Yeah. Um, but yeah, yeah. Like your local fans, I used to be pretty dogmatic about this, but now I'm just

like, I don't know. Like if you show up, that's cool. I'm actually the sucker who spent four years to earn fandom whereas you was just like, Oh, it's cool. I'm gonna be a fan. That's way smarter. Yeah. I mean, it is like, you're right about that too. There isn't a local Columbus team and I'm not, I don't leave. I mean, I don't know what people in Cleveland and Cincinnati think about Ohio State. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure some people

like them, but it's not as big as it is here. This guy goes, uh, no offense, but your sister's a bitch for saying that. How many, how many up votes did that get? 37. If you can cheer on your team without being an asshole and you're, and you don't desert your team during hard times and you're a dog. Uh, and then this guy goes, uh, like every single Notre Dame fan. So this is also insanely true because the only team with, with the comes again, there's two teams. Everybody knows I was a Michigan fan when I was a kid because I was psychotic. I I'm just, I, I, I, I'm'm anti-social person. You know what I mean? I have anti-social tendencies. I'm insane. Uh, this guy goes, this guy goes, uh, uh,

your sister's a bitch for saying that that's like saying you're not an American because you didn't vote. Well, you know, I might say that too. And then I love this guy. this guy goes my reply was pretty good though I'd love a guy like this. Oh well listen to what I said back to her, okay? My reply is pretty good though told her I'll always be a veteran and she'll always be a supporter Okay, cool, right? A lot of dudes a lot of dudes and comment threads who are just got something to prove to no one. Yeah

Yeah, well, I'd love the idea Feelings to prove to no one I got into it with because that's a that's a theme so many times on this show is a guy that got into it with somebody in his life and Didn't know what to say. That's like that's like the theme. I feel like The entire show really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember. There was a show we did recently where a guy had a roommate that he hated and the roommate was eating all of his food all the time and he went to Reddit and he was

like, my roommates eat all my fucking food all the time and all the suggestions were stuff like put a refrigerator in your room. Hey, that's a reasonable reasonable suggestion. You can get one of those for like 70 bucks. Put a fucking free refrigerator in your room. And then a few guys were like what you should do is put a lock box in the refrigerator. And then when he sees you go to the refrigerator, you open

your lock box and you fucking eat it in front of them. And he can't do shit about it. And it was just like, how about you just talk to the fucking guy? You know what I mean? This guy goes, not everybody needs to go to their favorite school. You go, you go where you're needed. My profession didn't have the degree I needed. So I went elsewhere. That being said, if you don't have any ties, whatever to your favorite team and base your fashion sense on it, I'm not wearing X color because it's a rival team colors. By the way, you know, you're in a room with a bad guy if he's wearing scarlet and gray and like the Ohio state, like in summer, you see a guy in like the red T-shirt or in like Chris calls the coaches T-shirt, the coaches shirt where it's like the collared shirt that you can buy that has

the logo of the team, like in the corner. Oh, yeah. It makes you look like you're in the coaching staff. You know what I mean? Like that kind of guy is wild. And he goes, and you know, you're just dealing with an asshole. Uh, he goes, name your kids after your team colors or coaches and carry a superiority complex around because your team is better than my team. Then you come across as a moron. Our replies, it goes agreed. You shouldn't pick the college you go to because of their football team. Okay. I mean, I did. Yeah. And it worked out for you, right? I mean, you learned about gangs. Okay. I mean I did. Yeah. And it worked out for you, right? I mean you like about gangs. Yeah. Yeah. I did. This guy goes, I did, but I had no idea what was going on, what I was going to major in. But I think there's a special

connection once you've been in the student section for four years, especially compared to fans who have never gone to the games. Now I've never been to a game. I'm going to be honest with you, Stefan. I never went to a game, but you would have been able to when you were going to college, right? Yeah, but I would have been 36 in the student section. Oh, okay. Yeah. But you can, so you could pay to go now if you wanted to, right? Uh, yeah. Yeah. My daughter had tickets all year last year, but I'd had to sit in the student section. Right. I remember you telling me that. Did she, did she end up selling those tickets? No, no, she went and she would go for two quarters and then she would come home and that was it. I really was like, why'd you sell the tickets? You'd

get like a lot of money for this fucking thing. This guy goes, there is a difference as a fam, but not an alumnus. There's nothing that binds one to the institution permanently as an alumnus the university's name is on one's wall and resume for the rest of one's life now I don't know where my degree is I could no idea so it's not on my wall and I don't have a resume Stefan for that reason you have a resume you have like 15 years of podcasts. That's your resume. Yes. Yes. If I have to ever go get a real job, I can write 15 years of podcasting. Just don't, please don't listen to the podcast that I've done because you won't let me get a friend hire because he might masturbate at the desk or whatever. However, I've known

enough actual alumni of other schools to know that the Walmart fan does not bear sole responsibility for the abuse that happens in a given school's name. Also, alumni like to overlook the non-alumnus fans contribution in terms of money from licensed products and extra attention gained for this. Interesting. OK, extra attention gained for the school is insane. Oh, because they wore a t-shirt. Excuse me. I wore that Metallica t-shirt and now Metallica is really famous. Duh. I did that. And finally, this guy's from Ohio State. I didn't like him because it says Ohio state, Buckeyes slash Florida Gators fan.

That's not possible. Exactly. You can't be one. You cannot be another thing. If you're an Ohio state fan, it just isn't like, honestly, you can't be can't be another thing. If you're a Florida fan, yeah, that's true. Can't be an Ohio state fan.

It's not Florida Gators was the one with Urban Meyer, right? That's right. Yeah, we hate them. We hate that first. This guy goes that really shouldn't be an issue growing up in Florida and attending Ohio State. I've seen football in different areas of the country and a lot of fan bases share something in common, passionate support of their home team. There's nothing wrong with being a non student alumni fan without them. The atmosphere for college football would not be the same. I would argue that it might be a little less crazy without the,

you know, non alumnus fans being insane. To say that you have to be a student or alumnus of the institution that you support would mean that families can't take their kids to games because they have never attended. So this guy's going to go way off the reservation. Uh, he goes, uh, and sometimes it doesn't work out where you can go to your favorite team school. That shouldn't mean that you can no longer be a fan of the football team. There's, there is the argument that non-student alumni fans don't care as much

about representing their school well. But to me, the issue is not with the fact that those fans never went to school there, but the fact that they can be obnoxious. So support your team, be proud of the players that perform well, and especially those that represent the school well. And hate the school's rivals so long as you can show respect for your rivals' fans and individual players and coaches.

And as long as you aren't discourteous to other fans of other schools while supporting you, GA, there's no reason why you can't call yourself a dog. So that guy's annoying. I hate it. I love it. I read that and I hated that man more than anything. Discourteous is a start. Yes. Yes. So that is college guys. Spencer, thank you for doing this. I saw the I watched the charity bowl and when I decided to do college guys, there was only one person I wanted to have on and I got to get you on a bonus because we I didn't do as much football stuff because we've done college football guys. But I got to get you on a bonus. We'll do a bunch of football. We'll do a bunch of college football stuff. And Stefan's here.

Whatever dude, he's co-hosting today. I don't know. Recording an 8 a.m. Podcast episode. That is that is my fault. No, no, no. I mean, I we used to do golf recording an 8 a.m. podcast episode. That is my fault. No, no, no. I mean, we used to do golf kings at 8 a.m. So it's ready to go. I had to go to a wellness exam. And I'm nervous as fuck right now. I'm shaking.

You're gonna do fine, Brian. Mm, they're gonna tell me I'm dying. I'm about to find out I'm dying, everybody. So that's gonna be great. Spencer, do you have anything you wanna plug? Yeah, the Channel 6 newsletter. Two things a week for $10 a month. My partner Holly Anderson and I put it out

and we cover football as well as a thousand other non-football things. But guaranteed content piped directly into your inbox. That would be the Channel 6 newsletter. Also up here on the Shutdown Full Cast cast the only college football podcast on the internet and edsbs i've been following him for so long i don't i i followed you on x the everything website where i do all my banking and on uh blue sky so uh stefan is you know on off Kings. Yeah. And I'm still doing block party on the patrons to check that out. I'm not. I know. I just got a call in fucking text trying to make me work.

All right. He loves that. Bye, everyone. This guy fucking loves to make me work.