Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 137 - Energy Drink Guys With Charlie Demers

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

We had our friend Charlie Demers on the show to talk about energy drink guys. We had a couple of rant guys, read some reviews of Celcius and Zoa. We learn about the Tri Stim experience and finally, which drink has the worst fans There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST at twitch.tv/notevenashowand I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to guys, a podcast about guys. I'm Brian. And we have Chris James. Hi, Chris. Hi energy. Is what I'm going for there. That was not very high energy. I'm not going to lie.

We're going to guys. A podcast about guys, that's pretty fast. Yeah, that was faster. That was not bad. Well, no,

the first one was that fast too. I realized something that's kind of interesting to me is that you did not ask the pronunciation of the... Because I think I know it. But I don't know if you do. You're really bad at it. Oh, fuck. Yeah. I just realized there could be another pronunciation than the one I have.

So I'm hoping you do the wrong one personally. I'm gambling. See how it's going. all right oh fuck man and our guest this week is is comedian

Charlie Demers got it yeah pretty I went close enough he didn't do like the full like no no no yeah or Demirs

where it kind of South African it up yeah I was going De Mere at what would be that what would this is a French Canadian name what's the give us

the real French Canadian production okay you ready for this this is so like the straight up kind of uncut would be demerce, which is offensive to people from France because you're not really supposed to do an S. You don't pronounce the S at the end of, and in fact, my dad can't pronounce the S at the end of, if he's speaking English. My dad can't say Netflix. He says

Netflix. Yeah, that's a, that's a French Canadian, the French Canadian language is a fascinating. And Chris is always saying there are pieces of shit. I didn't. My step family is from my step family. And he's like, I hate my step family. Well, I don't say that. I don't say that. I think maybe I have maybe highlighted that there's maybe a little bit of racism in Quebec. But that's all over the country, but there is not here.

It is all over the country. That is, I do believe, an English-Canadian fantasy, it kind of projections. That, well, that it, like, that they, that it's something they can kind of, imagine and project into um i just saw the i just saw a uh a french canadian comedy special in a year where there was just it was just a little it was a little bit beyond that you know that's all but you're right yeah we're not no we're i mean we're not talking comedy i mean yeah yeah comedy is a few years uh yeah english people in canada do like to look down their nose french canadians no doubt about it and i i really love this by the way some people listening

a lot of Americans, we always have Americans on here. It's good to have a little Canada talk on here on. Yeah, here we go. Here we go, eh? All right, Brian, you want to get to. It's great here in Ohio. There's almost no racism here. Almost.

Yeah, but there's a lot in that almost. Brian, I've seen the videos of those guys walking through the street. Brother, those guys are scary. They were walking through my neighborhood. Yeah, very scary. They're white supremacist guys, like, open blood. led something they're called. I don't want to show them out.

I don't want to show my neighborhood. They walked through my fucking neighborhood yelling and everybody was just kind of like, get out of here. Like this isn't like where you people go. Go away. Yeah. You know, I saw that happened the other day.

There were these crazy Christians by the courthouse. Hmm. It happened yesterday. And they're like handing out things. You know what I mean? And, uh, I saw it happen three times. Person was like,

get out of here with that shit. Like just was like so dismissive. It just don't do it downtown. You could go to a Walmart in a suburbs and everybody would be like, this is great. This racism is great. But not where I live. I live in the woke part of Ohio. Get out of here is always a good.

I also, I like that you people was employed against racists as a, it's kind of a, how do you like it? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. That is right. Brian, are we talking? We're talking about it. It's racist guys this week. We're doing an episode about racist guys. It's going to be so fun.

Just reading some other funny posts. That's not why I was asked on, is it? Because I don't know what your booking policy is. If I was brought in, especially for the racist guys episode, I will have to take umbrage. No, Charlie. You're brought in especially for the, uh, yeah, for the energy, energy drinks episode. Do you drink energy drinks, Charlie? Yeah, that's a good question.

I do drink energy jinks, but I drink the kind of, this is not, see, I haven't had an energy drink yet, so I'm searching for my words here. I don't, I don't mean to, this is not a correct term to use, but I drink the kind of cissified, you know, like, Celsius. I drink, I drink the Celsius. No, so I drink the Zevia energy drink. and then um and then occasionally uh when that's not available i'll have the guru organic um okay well those i haven't even seen anybody talk about do you like gorilla mind do you think i don't know like i mean i i can't even touch that stuff about pumpkin cream alani new pumpkin cream that sounds more like something maybe that would be i i remember my old i know i'm not an energy drink guy at all don't drink energy drinks

I sort of have I just have energy that's nice yeah but it's all nervousness it's not yeah true it manifests it's nervous but I have a lot of it but I used to drink energy drinks

sometimes like Red Bull obviously the classic one but there was one I think it's probably still around called Knawes yes now that is a real man's yeah Nause is like it looks like it's in a propane tank like the the bottle is like a blue propane take my brother used to love to make up sort of lies and stuff and say so he used to say that he drank one gnaw and he couldn't sleep for two days that he just

was up like he would there was sort of this like mythology in my neighborhood around noss that you would like if you want to really like oh you could do coke or whatever but if you really want to have a good time try it at one single noss it's funny because noss i don't know if you know this Chris. The can is not supposed to look like a propane tank. It's supposed to look like the tank that you put in your car. Oh, the Noss. The actual NOS thing. For the extra nitrous. Oh, it is an actual Noss tank. Yeah, I'm, I'm not a car guy at all. Well, I am. Me as a non-car guy was like it looks like a propane tank. I mean, it's a tank of some kind. Noss is nitrous oxide. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It came out after Fast and

and furious because when fast and furious came out we all learned about loss that was how we all learned about it so i am only now my brain is making sense of this bottle that i've been seeing for years because in in in in vancouver there's quite a notorious strip club called the number five orange the number five orange and i always was like why what is this number five label of energy drink i thought that the You thought it was it. You thought that the NOS was the number five. A number five. It is orange. It has orange on it. And it's identical to the number five sign. The number five orange is. The number five orange is a very famous Vancouver strip club. My friend got stabbed. And he will not take me there. Chris didn't even ask if I wanted to go. I mean, I've been there many times. You really don't want to go. You really don't want to go. I would tell you.

Oh, I guess some of us don't like looking at today. It is. It's, it's, uh, the, it's, uh, the number five orange is about two blocks away from the sort of epicenter of of vancouver heartbreak and misery like it is in the downtown east side it's right in the heart of the downtown east side yeah it's it's it's it's it is it is uh but but the the you got somebody you for your friend got stabbed at the number five and believe believe me the part of that story that's uh hard to believe from me is not it's the proximity to you it's not that someone got stabbed there, that I'm like,

somebody got stabbed there. It's that somebody, your friend. Yeah, he was stabbed. Did you know what it turns out? You want to know this is crazy. He was stabbed by somebody in his own group during a big huge melee fight between two groups.

Sometimes that happens, man. Somebody in his own group, one of his own friends stabbed him full on with a knife. It's in the hospital like had a punctured something. Like it was like a real big deal. And it was just somebody that we all. also knew who did it was it was this like a shakespearean like this is my cover i can do this under

the cover it was it was friendly fire was a bunch of drunken goons fighting each other wow in a uh you know not well-lit parking lot and yeah that's but that and and when and the city said enough is enough we're going to start lighting the parking lots better for fight that's right yeah so we can stab the right people so anyway this guy posted a picture of an energy drink can and his breakfast he poses breakfast here okay this is c4 energy drink it's three times it's got the tristim experience what is that what's the tri-stim experience what is that what's the triple stimulant oh the tri-stim experience oh my yeah three stimulations at once like what are the does it does it it's three times physical spiritual and intellectual

it's like these other energy drinks give you a one's stem experience but the c4 ultimate energy gives you a three times stim there's so much there's so much math in this photo like it says zero sugar c4 three times seven 11 like yeah well he also had buffalo chicken rollers for breakfast along with that which is this is this is like a brunch item i feel like this is a classic like when I used to work, maybe like at a moving warehouse or something like this. This is a type of thing you would grab on the way to work. Yeah. Like, well, I had a construction or something.

I told you about that guy that rode with me at the cable company and was like a big time softball guy, like a big softball guy, like gone for the weekend softball guy playing or watching playing. Yeah. And he was like sort of like he would like floated to him. First thing he would do is say stop. at Speedway to get gas. So we would stop to get gas and he would go in and buy three hot dogs and an energy drink. And then he would just stuff the trash and the door as I was trying to teach him. And when he finally got fired for sneaking off work early, I opened that door and I was cleaning up the stuff. And it was like, this guy ate so much gas station food. It's outrageous

that he's still alive. I mean, I think he's still alive. I know Ohio doesn't have a gas. station food culture like we don't we i think it's looked down upon like there are parts of the united states like it's mostly looked down no but i was going to say gas station culture is something that grows on food in the gas yeah yeah but i'm saying that in the united states there are parts of this country where people eat at gas stations like at wah-wah and she oh yeah yeah they have an actual like little sort of diner type thing yeah yeah a diner or a drive-in or a dive-in or a yeah exactly we don't have that here we right we didn't have that here until relatively recently and now people are kind of starting to eat sandwiches there but it just was like even at the

cable coming it's like why you eat that crap it's gross you know what i mean so anyway this guy goes uh he loved he said tried this yesterday and felt like i was on speed had to buy the three for seven this morning so he about three of them for seven so he's so he's like i drank something i felt like i was on amphetamines and i needed more of that that sounds like me that actually just sounds like me yeah that sounds like somebody with the real who's like maybe just wishes that they were on drugs or whatever that it was like this is kind of which sort of makes sense i guess right because it's not generally considered acceptable to like take actual drugs before your job but it's okay to drink a crazy energy drink well this

guy goes dude i feel the same way i worked 12 hour shifts and picked up a bang a couple of shifts ago i drank it throughout the entire shift and still felt like i was tweaking it's bananas to me how people can seriously consume two of these in a day or even more now that is crazy and many many people agreed with this guy it is crazy that people drink two or three of these a day because the amount of caffeine is i think it's 300 milligrams of caffeine oh wow a lot of caffeine what is what were those ones that were killing people i always whenever i what were the ones at that uh I don't think it gets much higher than $300. You know what?

It was at the restaurant chain and they had those like charged. Panera. Panera. How much was in those ones? I don't remember. I used to drink those, though. Yeah, I remember you said that. Those ones, they used to drink the drinks that were killing people.

They had to take them off because they were killing people. The Panera charged lemonade amount of caffeine had 390 milligrams of caffeine and a 30 ounce serving. So that's pretty high. Holy. It's a bit high. And it's a tri-stem experience. is only 30 less or 90 less

So that is 300 in that one The one that we're looking at right there So a guy would he would have two of those a day That's an absurd about a caffeine Yeah I'm not a doctor Is that more caffeine than you want to have a day 600 Pellegraves of it Chris there were people

I almost made this caffeine guys Because there were guys that like take a caffeine pill And also later on in a day They'll put a caffeine day dip because they have caffeine dip now oh like chew yeah they have caffeine like bandits which are like in little packages like the zen they have caffeine of those and then they would drink coffee and have like one of those big energy drinks and also pre-workout which is another basically an energy drink but those that's dangerous right it's so dangerous okay it is very dangerous to do that it's a similar

type of thing is like because people have been doing this type of type of you know taking a huge amounts of drugs or whatever, right? Like, just like it's... So my Zivia one, I just looked it up, is 120 milligrams, which sounds like not much compared to what we're... But I will in a day sometimes have two of them. That make fun of you, Charlie. I'm really sorry.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not... It's not an amount that's impressive. Okay, good. Oh, no, you can't die from 240. But I'm having coffee as well in that scenario. How much is in a cup of coffee? How much is in a cup of coffee?

more a lot like 90 milligrams right in a couple of coffee i think it's a lot and a cup of coffee too it just depends i make because i drink cold brew i think it's a ton oh it's just okay maybe maybe all at once maybe all that's why the panera bread stuff was because people are just chugging like 400 at once this guy goes i drink a c4 every morning about 5 a m on the way to work and then one at about four on the way home but i try one of those c4s with the tri-stem experience and it fucked me up just the thought of having that kind of that taste and that carbonation coursing through your body at 5 in the morning at the beginning of the day like like that it's just the most like soul-destroying image like it's just like

it's such an awful like at least coffee is just it's a it's a morning consistency It's a ritual. It's also a ritual, and it's basically water in a way. Really, like really smart, sophisticated people do that in the morning as well. Like, it's done across all different. Whereas the energy drinks, I feel like, yeah, you're right. It's just drinking a pop in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, I know. And they're talking like, they're talking like, my favorite one to have is the Skittles-flavored C-4. and it's like you're waking up in the morning and drinking a skittles flavor drink and then they're like why do people look down on us and it's like listen i don't look down on these guys they do what they want to do it's fine but i do think if you're drinking something called gorilla mind or monster then that's different from drinking a cup of coffee you know what i mean that's not coffee you know uh this guy goes uh tristim is the only energy drink i actually feel a difference on the The fruit punch one is also delicious with vodka.

Oh, that's good. I guess that's an old, like vodka Red Bull, though, right? That's like a famous drink. So I guess that's something people do that. I wonder what that does to you. I never was a big bar. It's probably not great. This guy goes, you must be new to energy drinks.

Those are like water to me, but maybe I'm just addicted. You must be new to energy drinks. That's the ultimate flex. Oh, shit. That shit's affecting you. I mean, I guess it's like. It's like anything that you get a tolerance to it, right? You get a tolerance to something and it stops affecting you.

Again, I mean, I think the ideal situation is to figure out a way if you can to sort of keep your tolerance at a reasonable level. So you're not just like, okay, I have to drink, you know, five of the tri-stimms in the morning to feel alive or whatever. I think that's probably not good from any. Well, and now this is going to hit you guys as weird, but this is a very common thing in the energy drink guy community. goes, I prefer the OGC4 before.

If I'm not mistaken, the beta Alanine was taking out of the ultimate. So the, yeah, come on, guys. What were the guys? Remember we, those, uh, oh, the milk guys? The, the ones who were talking about the stuff, the, yeah, I forget what. Yeah, I don't remember what it was, but the milk guys that were mad. I bet I could, I could find out. They were mad about a, uh, a specific thing was being Malto, Malto Dextero, the Malto men, the

malto men who would discover that malto dexter had been taken out of this like uh strawberry milk strawberry milk that they were drinking and they're fucking livid about it the malto men they're like online like oh it's so much better with the malto like just oh wow so this guy goes i noticed that as well i personally love the itchy burn feeling used to add three grams in my pre and that was a lot a lot of doctors will tell you like an itchy burning feeling that's like definitely a good for whatever you're consuming yeah when you're drinking getting what itching burning that's the body's way of saying we need more of this the itching burn they do love like one guy's like it's been so long since i've felt the ants under my skin what drink are you doing to get that

like they want that like my whole body feels like it's turning on me feeling you know what i mean Like that is the serious feeling like I do too because it's like I'm so afraid I hate that like I've taken drugs through my life obviously and it was always kind of that like that feeling when you're first sort of becoming high on drugs and you're like kind of scared about it and it like doesn't feel good and you just have all of that but then you get to the good part they're just doing this is news to me they're they're doing the first part only and there's no good part there's no like thing after maybe there is maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's this, like, you get through that feeling and then it's like you feel good in some way. But it seems like, yeah, they're just trying to get the like uncomfortable anxiety feeling or whatever. See, I did. Oh, sorry, go ahead, Jarlin. No, no, I would like, because I was just going to say this was all like my whole kind of high school experience. Like with pot and whatever, like just anxiety, anxiety, anxiety, anxiety.

And then I had like Tylenol threes. And it was like, oh, this is what drugs is supposed to. to feel. I love drugs. Yes, is why people do drugs. I love pills. I'm trying to think of what was, I mean, mushrooms for me is I guess always been the one that I most enjoyed, but it gives you that feeling, no doubt. When you're coming up on it and you like first start to sort of feel it, if you're taking like a bigger dose or whatever, then it definitely gives like huge anxiety and then you like push through that a little bit. And then it's just like, yeah, like a euphoric, great feeling. But I've never understood.

I mean, I guess I understand the whole like, so I mean, I'm a little older than you guys, but I don't think so. No? Okay. Late 90s, vodka Red Bull, that was like the kind of. Yeah, that was the drink. That was very associated with the kind of like rave dance culture. Or bros, or bros like Jersey Shore kind of bros, I feel like it had.

But the idea was like to get drunk, but keep going. Like you're going to, you're going to dance. Like you're going to. like it was a party drink yeah and like I feel like now the energy drink thing is just like get through the fucking crippling Dickensian misery of overwork and and like the absolute hyper exploitation of your life with some kind of just like crazy uh drug mask on to like it's it's it's so so bleak they call it a stack by the way a snack a stack a stack what is that it's just adding different things on top of things so like a video game skin or something yeah so

energy drink is is a form of a stack because they'll put like vitamin B in it they'll put like theanine in it and they put a bunch of stuff in it and they call that a stack so they they or a stack could be caffeine pills plus a caffeine thing there's a cat there's a nicotine energy drink that recently came out which I was blown away by I might have to try it by because I love nicotine yeah we're but it's been pushed by a podcast we're pro cigarette on this podcast we just we just have a guy we love who used to review cigarettes when he hasn't reviewed anything for nine years I wish you would come back. come back and review some stuff buddy uh he's a big where he's a popular guy on the podcast so i uh went

then after seeing the tristim experience can i said i'm going to go to amazon and read the reviews of the tristam experience oh find out what they're like this first guy goes i love this the the the name the thing the caption at the beginning is so good a lot of power and a lot of power and energy man that's great good title of yeah he goes great energy drink

great energy and easy to drink got my buddy energized to fix my exhaust on my car yeah that's okay cool so this guy's feeding this to people in order to ask for us very cool this guy goes mixed feelings but no

crash I recently I recently tried this C4 cherry bomb frost, and I have to say my experience was a bit of a mixed bag. Starting with the flavor, it wasn't really my cup of tea. I usually enjoyed the taste of Noss or the white and orange red bulls, so I was hoping for something similar. Unfortunately, the cherry bomb frost didn't quite hit the mark for me in terms of taste.

However, there are definitely some positives. One thing I really appreciated was that it didn't give me any crash afterward, which is a huge plus. I could enjoy the energy boost without worrying about feeling sluggish later on. additionally the color of the drink is quite appealing and adds a fun visual element to the experience okay that this is some somebody from marketing at uh wrote this one yeah because nobody's impressed by the color of a beverage only a little baby and a little baby can't drink uh like an energy drink so this doesn't track i agree with charles like a sumo yeah yeah yeah oh this got great legs this is uh yeah this is uh yeah this tell me this God, oh, my, can I just pull up the image of the caffeine man and he has like a thousand energy drinks

behind him. Yeah, he's the caffeine man. This poor soul. Well, there's a new energy drink. It's by Starbucks. It's called, it's a tropical peach. It's an iced energy. 160 milligrams caffeine.

So not that much. But I saw a post. on our slash energy drinks where the guy goes this shit is ass I poured it out there's a picture of it is that this shit is ass I poured it out now it's his breakfast and it is a dab pin

and mott's uh gummy bears gummy candies and a tropical peach starb like you mean like a marijuana like a dab rig like it's like a dab pin like a pen like a okay oh I see so he's hitting he's hitting some weed, some

gummies, energy drink. Is that, that's his breakfast? Yeah, gummy back. The caffeine man that we're looking at?

No, the caffeine man is a different guy that's going to talk about this drink. The caffeine man is like an older guy I was going to see. I would strike me as a kind of guy who would have that kind of a breakfast.

Yeah. So here he goes. No one's having that breakfast and getting to be old. Yeah. It's true. Some people don't, but I'm not overly happy

with the Starbucks iced energy drinks in concept. And there's two companies that I feel this way about. So I'm going to wrap my rant up into two companies that do this. He's going to rain. By the way, we love it. We just did rant guys, Charlie, so we learned about ranters and we've become pretty obsessed with them. But he's doing the most annoying thing where he edits together the breaks. And no, but just don't. He's just doing it really poorly, too, where it's like he's trying to make it seem like it's one seamless kind of conversation. by editing out the breaks. And this is like, look, I'm sure that this is the wrong episode for this,

but I just like, tell, like, how is there an audience for this? It's a caffeine, man. I mean, there's a, we've learned a lot about a bunch of weird, like, there's always a guy that's on top of the guy mountain. You know what I mean? There's always like, there's a, it's a big mountain. and then I of just regular people who are like oh I really like energy drinks we're we're chatting about energy drinks where but then there's one guy that has to be on top right and it has to be

the guy we look they look to for guidance in a world of caffeine boys there must be one yeah man and this guy was just like I'll name myself caffeine man which I think is a very funny name and was like I'll be the caffeine guy you know yeah I'll be that guy like there's no real thing he just like no one really wanted this one he's just like I'll do this one and then as soon as he took the name he was just that guy but I mean I guess the reason there's an audience in short is because of like the

posts or read it's like these people who are really obsessed with caffeine like like an energy drinks and shit and they'll they want to hear reviews of them and see I mean yeah it's I found to me I want to get you a little more up to speed

on this Starbucks energy this guy goes LOL it's Starbucks What do you expect? Yeah. And he gets a reply and he goes exactly like I do. I don't know how Starbucks is still in business with the advent of local coffee shops. Pretty much around every corner, this guy gets a response. He goes, multiple stores are closing.

I call them cuck bucks. My mom and pop tastes better and is the same. With the advent of local stores. That's true. Like those Starbucks is like some sort of primordial thing that we're just kind of. of like in the like physical landscape and now we figured out how to have local versions of yeah of yeah is that person doing a joke is i don't think so my my yeah i don't think so i think he doesn't know what he's saying right like i think he means the uh proliferation yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah he's using the wrong word at right now like no i'm just an asshole no no you're not to react to what they say we do it all the time that's true just as one of those all right let's check in with kaffy man and uh one of them is zoa and people like have you tried the new zoa have you tried the new zoa and i'm like no you know why because i'm upset with them because because because because this is like the last four i'm upset with them i don't know why that it just sounds so petty like you know like it's his friend or whatever who like didn't call him on his birthday or something but it's the rock's energy drink it's the wrong oh it's it's it's it's the rock yeah it's the rock's energy drink zoa do we think that's a real photo of him

in the rock no that's a his hand is back there though I can see his hand but I don't think so I can't really tell I don't think it's a real I don't think it's a real one it looks like they're two separate could be a word yeah like a cardboard cut out here's what is real this this man is wearing a wedding band yeah he's married the caffeine man there's like a missing there's a caffeine woman like Someone is married to the guy who went and made this video. Are you kidding? Yeah, she gets, you kidding me? She wakes up in the

morning. She says, you got a coffee on for me, honey? And he says, are you fucking kidding me? I get you to try stem experience. He's got like a whole thing laid out. Like, what do you want? How many stims do you want? There we go.

Rendition of Zoa from several years ago. And like I said, what I'm saying goes for both company, Starbucks and Zoa, but Dwayne the Rock Johnson came out with this Zoha energy drink saying it was going to be the healthiest energy drink out there, the best tasting energy drink out there. Everyone got hyped up. Everyone bought it.

And everyone, most people, most people knew that it was terrible. So, listen, sometimes the guy, sometimes you know the guy that released the thing whose faces on it, it'll be like, ah, it's good, it's good. And it's like, you can't trust that necessarily. He can't trust of Dwayne the Rock Johnson, you know, to be honest with you about the product that he benefits financially from so much. And what can you, hey, listen, I just want to say, shout out to The Rock on his new physique. You know, he's obviously slimmed down a little bit and he's taking a lot of heat for it in the media. But I want to stand with him and say, I think his new physique looks just fine.

He quit steroids probably, right? I believe he quit steroids is probably what happened, most likely. Yeah, you got to do that sometimes, though. You know what I mean? Yeah. Every now and then. No, no, this is the debate that you're having, whether this is an occasional or whether this is a one-time. Yeah, you have to stop for good.

You don't want to start doing them again when you get old, although I don't know how steroids work. There are certain. Well, you do start doing steroids again when you're older, but it's usually as a, that says, anti-cancer. Yeah, it's a different thing. Like, my dad had steroids. I know I use steroids even on my. leg i had like a thing on my leg and i rubbed steroids on it so i wish i used them that's not you know steroids are also good this guy goes in my town we have a high a very highly acclaimed award-winning

roast master at a nice local shop they also sell their roast to a lot of other venues and drive through kiosks in the area my wife goes to starbucks almost every single day and i'll never understand it yeah okay you can't just be saying roast master and not expect us to think about Jeffrey Ross. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or kill Tony. Or obviously Tony Hinchcliff, who is currently, when I'm hearing, actually, is the number one ranked roaster in the world.

That's what Joe Rowe can set up. And he's great. He's great at it. He's ranked number one. He's great. This guy goes, because it's basically its own bank with all the gift cards it sells. They don't give a fuck about the coffee. Do some digging.

You'll see. I do a little digging into Starbucks and you'll see that this is. Yeah, they're just a, they're a for-profit company. Behind all the, uh, behind all the pretending to be a, uh, yeah, a cooperative run for honestly, you'll have to, you'll have to like probably if you have somebody who's like a detective friend or somebody who has like investigative sort of, then you might be able to find out some negative stuff about Starbucks. Here's a question.

This guy asks, uh, so is shotgunning energy drinks worse for you than just drinking them? Hmm. For context, I just shotgun one earlier today. ghost cherry limeade first time ever doing it i immediately went on a run afterward the first part i'd like to imagine he did it and just ran out the door yeah like you finished it and ran straight out i i he wasn't planning to run either like he wasn't planning to run at all it's just oh no he had a meeting he had a meeting at his computer that he had to actually get to but he just fucking drink the energy drink and ran out the door i i feel like like there's like the hot sauce episode in that i want to know the scovils or in this case the like

caffeine of each drink every time i hear a new drink i'm always interested okay i'll look ghost cherry lime made caffeine uh he goes uh i immediately want to run afterward the first part of the run sucked a bit but the last bit felt awesome but i was telling my friend about it my dad overheard and said shotguning them are 10 times worse than just drinking them straight up which i guess kind of makes sense but i also want a bunch of random people's opinion from the internet so this guy a little goofy at the end right yeah uh so ghost is by the way the most popular in the uh most popular in the space at this point so that's what that's what the streets are saying not necessarily like but basically the people you're hearing are saying ghost is at the top of the heap it's 200 milligrams per 16

ounce can that's kind of low it's kind of low it's kind of low No, it's pretty high. Oh, because we started with 300. Yeah, right. Now anything under, but 300 is high. I'm actually not impressed by anything unless it's not more than the Panera charged lemonade. That's my barometer for if it's even a good drink.

Chris is like, that stuff even affects you still? Yeah, honestly, are you kidding? I literally drink one of those before bad. This guy goes, no, that's stupid. And the O.P. goes, it made sense. at the time honestly he said the sugars and caffeine hate you harder and faster making your crash more severe and also and cause a huge spike in heart rate because of the accelerated intake of caffeine i mean does chugging i don't know i'm not assigned to skin but like i don't think it makes

a difference right oh dude i know this guy oh smelly jurelli he hates me by the way probably as you keep using his actual last name oh that's he uses people's full names on here all the time regularly and docks himself as well regularly who's when where do you know smelly jurelli from those like from your child's my brother's friend from growing up my older brother's friend growing up had a hard had a hard growing up you know i mean he had a hard time he did yes yeah kids who stink don't have good lives yeah yeah no 100% they're yeah they're it's usually a sign of like uh difficulties at home he's doing well now though he's doing well and he he just doesn't like me what what does he not like you about oh is it is it just like facebook politics

stuff you know what i mean like early in that period where i was on facebook and i was just arguing with every single fucking person that i saw he could shotgun a beer yeah and like once like he could open his throat so the whole 12 ounce beer went down in like a second it was so fast and we had him do 30 one night because we've We thought it was funny. Yeah, that's not, that's, that is a little dangerous. Oh, I know. They're American beers.

I've talked about it before. My friends and I would go to American drink 30 beers regularly. Oh, yeah. American beer. It was, uh, the light beer here. Yeah, we would drink 30. Yeah, we would drink a bunch of them. So it's not that crazy.

But we had our friend Barnes, I won't say his, but he was a big football player and a great guy still keeping contact with him now. He might very well listen to the podcast, honestly, but he could do that thing where he just poured a beer down his throat in like one second and so he would take on people in drinking con like we would just like he wasn't the big it he was like a shorter kind of stocky guy or whatever so these giant guys would think that they could take them and he would just destroy them every time so we would win like liquor that way and shit at parties so good this guy goes what the hell is shotguning is that poking a hole in a can or chugging in this context yeah you want to pace

yourself causing chugging an amount of liquid because chugging that amount of liquid can make you feel bloated, which isn't good for a run. The effects are all the same. It just hits you harder, not any worse off. A guy replies and goes, yeah, you bust the hole in the bottom and then open the top and chug it from the hole. And the guy goes, and this guy's a rain fan, rain energy drink, R-E-I-G-A. I don't see how it would be any more unhealthy than drinking it normally.

The liquid isn't changing into something else. In my opinion, it just ruins the experience, but it's not my energy drink. And the O.P. goes, yeah, I'm not going to do it again because I do drink them for flavor and as much as much as energy but i was just curious so the guy the the guy that drinks energy drinks for the flavor yeah it's like wine he's like a somali he's like oh i love the i love the zoa which caffeine man doesn't not only drinking energy drinks for the flavor he's also posting questions for the social contact like this he's clearly not actually curious about yeah about this question he's made up his mind as well yeah it's like boys can we can we

talk about energy drinks hey boys uh yeah let's just get a little back and forth going about energy yeah you know that's all and it's hard you can't just come into the forum and say hey what about energy drinks hey we love them yeah yeah yeah this is kind of his little way in checking in with caffeine man wasn't that great it was hyped up way over to way way with it. And if you don't believe me, some people like, oh, I don't know what you're talking about caffeine, man. It was great. No, it wasn't because they got rid of it. Most people hated it. So they got rid of it and then they just reformulated it and did something different with it. And then that didn't really work out that well. So they're like, okay, well, why don't we come out

with this Zowa plus stuff and maybe make it better, you know, maybe do some market research, maybe have people actually test it, maybe taste it. Did, I want to know, did the rock actually even taste Zoa when it came out? No, it's a good question. My question. My answer is no. I, I, yeah. If I, if I got him on the line the rock out asking that did you taste the stuff i mean honestly what kind of corporate shill are you you know she even taste the zoa did you did you feel the stem at all did you even recognize the stim you were feeling or anything do you think i do think the rock tasted it but i also think it's that thing where he took like one sip of the can and then put it down

you know what i mean where he's like oh yeah sure whatever they'll buy it he's like it tastes like an energy drink or whatever yeah they'll buy it whatever you know, because I think I will say this to people, Zowa, uh, according to a lot of reviews and stuff like that, tastes like vitamins. So,

and that's good or, or no? That's bad. They don't like that. They do not like that. Because if he did, he's like, this is supposed to be the best energy drink out there.

It can't be. So he did not even drink it. But Zola Plus was kind of okay. It was a step out from what they were doing. And then they, they ended up going with another rendition. They went from 16 ounce cans that had sugar in them to 16 ounce cans without sugar but used sucrose and stevia came out with a plus for pre-workout then they came

out with 12 ounce cans and that's where they seem to have stuff they seem to have failed three times already and going for a fourth time and listen you fool me one shame on me twice shame on you i'm not going to keep drinking your drinks when you release them because you have billions of dollars to spend holy fuck so this guy's like listen i i went through three different rendit i bought so many of them and drank them you're not going to give me a fourth time This guy's no dumb, mate. Look, he stands on principle, too. Yeah, and he could see it.

He showed images for, because you guys, he showed images of him, I'm drinking. Of him with a bunch of cans of each of them, you know, like, he got, he got the horse in front of the car. He was like, I've got, this is going to be great. Let's get a whole fucking case. I got to tell you guys, that happens a lot, too. People buy a case of these things without knowing. And they're like, great. now I have to pour 14 of them out.

Why do you just drink one? Into my body. But also, if your whole life is energy drink content, wouldn't a company that continues to produce failing energy drinks? Isn't that your dream? Like, a celebrity adjacent energy drink that keeps, yeah, iteration after iteration, keep sucking that's like ideal for you can make so many videos so many rare i know mad videos so you could just be crazy angry about like like you know charlie you know how like megan markle's big in the news these

days yes yeah she's huge in the news all over the place and because she's not doing steroids there's a guy there's a guy mike zero who has really keyed in on that and he's made i think 500 videos about megan markle if you if you catch something like that you're right you can just run with it now here's another energy drink ranter it's very strange i'm going to tell you that's not he doesn't have the delivery you would expect from an energy drink guy i'm just going to tell you that right now okay all right so i wanted to bring up a little thing that i keep seeing a lot lately these articles online and they're usually never associated with a big media newspaper or

you know low energy for I feel like he's doing he's I think this is a choice this is a choice that he's making where he's sort of showing like yeah this is what happens an unenergized unstimmed individual he's showcasing an unstimmed individual so you can see I think what he's doing actually is showing a stemmed individual

to prove that it's not bad for you This guy is The head of hair on this kid is unreal He's got really really good hair on him for sure He he I do feel like though You think he's on an energy drink right here Yeah because he's saying stop blaming them And we'll let him go just a little longer

So you can hear These articles usually are never associated like under A press that I would respect Or even care about the opinion not saying they're not legit or they have their they have a case but yeah so we're we're talking about the articles with the people who drink energy drinks and at jews always monster because they're the biggest target people uh having you know heart problems uh or even dying sometimes you know even dying i mean like dying like dying so

sometimes. He's also wearing a t-shirt that says death. Yeah. I'm sure it says something underneath, but yeah, all we can see is death. Yeah, it just says death. Or you would die. Like the dismissiveness of people dying. Listen, I'm not trying to make anything illegal.

Believe me, I'm not. But you can't just say like, well, the people that died were, I think he actually does clarify that here. You probably notice that more often not, the articles feature. Really young people, people in their early teens or even, even early 20s, which I know they're adults. But now, you know how many people buy and consume empty drinks? You know how many people consume them at the level I do? Sometimes it's two a day for me.

Some days, I just won't have any. Okay, there are no days where you don't have. I he's referring to one to like two and a half years ago he was in the hospital and he was put under for a surgery that particular day to not have on that's what guys guys did say i don't do any some days i don't oh some days i even forget to just drink my yeah yeah no grams of caffeine it's something i do you know so smoke a bit of weed but like some days i fucking i'm pretty sure i don't even smoke some days. Yeah.

I forget to. It's not that I need. I'm doing a lot better than I used to be with them. What does that mean? It means I think he used to have a problem. He used to drink a lot more. I think he acknowledges that there is a problematic way of relating to energy drinks. Okay.

Okay. I like them. And they work for me. I'm not dying. My health is a high. 100%. Wait, it's not a video game. That's not how real health works. Nobody's help is 100%. I love the idea that he's 100. He's like, oh, he clarifies.

I've worked done once a year. My physical, well, I go to a gym four to five days a week. Oh. My heart's not acting up. Yes. My heart's not acting up. Like, when your heart acts up, that's really, oftentimes, really a big issue. You know what I mean? It's not like something where it's like... We're talking 75% health, maybe 62. Yeah. Oh, boy.

This is, yeah, listen, I sort of, I guess, understand the general thing of what this guy's may be trying to say, but it does feel like, I don't know. I don't know if he's, like, fully, like, totally honest with himself about everything. maybe I don't think he's a good I'll say this I think he's a bad representation yeah of an energy drink guy because he seems like exactly the guy we're talking about on this like he seems like a guy who really loves energy drinks you know what I mean kind of marble mouth he's kind of mumbling through it a little bit and I said in the beginning he seemed really low energy but he has had a couple stim moments where I've seen a little bit of stim pop through where he just kind of gets a little fast and a little bit with the hand movements and stuff. So I think he might, he's definitely on an energy drink. I can't help out the listener with what he looks like.

He looks like a young Jim Brewer. Yeah, he does look at him. Well, right now he really does. Yeah, he's got that brewer look. Here's a question somebody asked. Is everyone anti-Seltious? I've never seen anything positive about it in this community. What's the reason?

Well, up here in Canada, we're pretty anti-Seltic. Yeah, yeah. It's a little Canada joke for the Canada. listeners another through line and it's also not true because we still pretty much use celsius all the time another great thing that they do a lot is the americans are very much brag because other countries have made drinks illegal and we're like uh not over here it's not you have as much as many stem experiences as you want to yeah we actually in the government of Canada passed a law two stims only yeah i saw a guy dude i saw a guy pay a bunch of money from australia to get

american c4 sent to him because he couldn't because they took a bunch of the stuff out of it over there in australia and for me listen if br if if if if quibber i guess i would say heard that something i would always hear something's dangerous and i'd be like i got to get my hands on some of that. Charlie, he used to be called Quiber when he was growing up. That was like the only name anybody called him

and he was like a fucking low life dirtbag kind of guy. I'm loving this nickname culture. Like this is very, uh, it's very, well, I think you would also like to hear about porno show them then. Oh,

just a quick. There's a guy who Brian grew up that there was accumulating pornoes in order to open up a porno shop that never came to be. But he also was like, the toughest guy in brian's gang and would beat people up i wasn't in a gang and he also was the head of the orgies he's like he was ahead of his house yeah this guy goes they're good almost realize i forgot that the orgies happened to porno shan's house yes well where else are they going to happen yeah i mean yeah he had so much now that you say it i mean it makes total sense people's the mags are

all over the place and you know you crack one open get a couple ideas yeah we're just going upstairs it's like time to get out of here. Hey, honey, it's time to go and then get in the car and drive off. So Brian, he's trying to make it clear to you, Charlie, that he didn't participate. He was that he's a one stem man. But honestly, that's really up for debate. And most of the listeners, not me, I don't have an attitude about it one way or the other. Most of the listeners feel like the fact that he kept going back to the parties says that he was probably involved in the origin.

and so i wasn't involved in the orgies this guy goes celsius has green tea extract and lthianine in it which both prevent jitters and crash and this guy goes i have the softest almost zero crash on alani celsius or rain storm but the original rain monster ghost and red con make me crash hard c4 i tend to stay away from the black cans are too expensive and the yellow ones make my skin flush which it's supposed to do but i don't like it so it's supposed to make your skin. What does that mean exactly? It makes you so hot that you're like

is that what they're referring to? I don't even know what that would be. It makes it sound like a selling point on the can. Hey, this stuff will make your skin flow. Yeah. That's kind of, that seems like, yeah, that wouldn't be something that they would be able to

openly advertise. I don't know. Here comes a fun interaction this guy who goes red bull's the only one that doesn't crash me after no idea why monster crashes especially hard gets a respond and goes could be the red bull so light on caffeine oh yeah could be they're basically drinking non-alcoholic beers oh why do i have a not have a eggover because you're pussy that's he goes could be the red bull so light on caffeine maybe 80 milligrams for the small can so the guy replies and goes i drink the big ones i drink the big ones i drink yeah still not that much though compared to it

a guy like me who has you know three to four paneras a day yeah let's go back in here sure true sometimes like if I down two of these you know yeah you get the heart palpitations a little bit or the kind of the rush the feeling of like you know but hey that's what we want if we didn't if we didn't like that if we didn't want that we wouldn't bought the drinking these in the first place Not to say that's the effect we want all the time, but sometimes that happens,

and it's not a bad thing if we can handle it. Not a bad thing if you can handle it, okay? His face really lit up when he started talking about heart palpitations. Yeah. And, like, it's very clear that, like, that's not a bug, that's a feature for him. Like, it is, it's weird. That's one of the weirdest things, because, like, I'll see guys like, oh, I love this one.

I get up in the morning, I drink it, it makes me dizzy. And I'm like, dizzy is the worst feeling to me like dizzy freaks me out every time it happens to me a lot i have this thing now where i have a panic attack at any restaurant i go to at the end not because of the bill i don't know i get so here's what my psychiatrist thinks i used to be freaked out constantly about money i check my bank account 500 million fucking times a day and anytime i went out to dinner i get the check and i'd be like right oh no that costs a lot of money you know what i mean without thinking about it before i went

like i went i'm like this is great i'm eating the food hey this is great and then you get the check and you're like oh probably should have done that yeah yeah yeah they call it the damage right yeah yeah yeah my my my psychiatrist thinks that like i'm still having the same panic attack mm-hmm but i've figured out another reason to have a pant you know what i mean like like I get dizzy after I eat still and I get very nervous after I eat but I'm not worried about the check I'm just having a panic because she always says panic finds away especially with me it just figures out a way to hit you no matter what and I have like really bad panic what do you do in the mudges or I mean Katie puts on this stuff called healing hurts on her phone and drives me

home if it's real bad oh that's nice Katie is a real. he's his wife but yeah that is very sweet he's the sweetest and we love katie so much and hey brian i'm sorry that you're having that listen i like to laugh at you a lot obviously make fun of you oh don't do that you're fine you can make fun of me hey i hey i just want to say i'm really really sorry to hear that you're having anxiety most likely because you drink seven to eight diet coax at the who okay i i just can't believe you would repay katy's kindness like that with all those orgies Well, Katie would never go. We didn't, no, I'm saying you being that I'm not, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that she's, that would be, that would be, that would be, that would be, that would be really despicable for me to suggest that, that, if that she had anything to do with that, I'm saying that, that, that was me suggesting that, that, that, that you, that you, that you, that, paradoxically, I did alone, alone as a single guy, which is, yeah, that's a single. That's right.

You showed up to the or just a single guy, Brian. No, I didn't. Number one. That's canon now that you showed up to the RG as a single time. But we often, I often encounter this where Brian's talking about like nasty sex stuff on here or whatever. And I know his wife. And, you know, I talk to her. And then we'll get to talking about it. And I realize, like, he only has sex with her, right? He's been married to her since high school. Like, he's the only person. So it's always about her. And it's, I'll get caught up in it. And then I'm just like, wait, no, I can't be saying this stuff.

that makes me feel good that it bothers you this guy goes i'm not anti celsius but in my opinion it's just not good i've tried countless flavors and i've only found one i can say i kind of like also the cans are really hard to distinguish from one another like i can just tell by color what monster i'm buying or ghost i'm buying but celsius all the cans look the same and they have what seems like a billion flavors so i have to scour for whatever one i'm looking for also as one more thing Most places selling are selling the 12 ounce cans. Just another negative for me. I mean, I defy anyone to be interested or compelled by anything in that post.

That's good. Like what is in there with any level of human stimulation? That is the most banal thing. If someone said that to you at a party, you'd be like what the fuck can i call it are you calling no stim you're calling no stim on that at all i'm calling zero calling zero i might might even be saying that a negative that's a negative step you might have to i got something that could help you out with that charlie where you could listen to stuff and it doesn't matter what the fuck it is you feel good yeah well this guy goes same i'm also not dropping

a couple bucks on drinks with names that have no meaning whatsoever what the fuck is cosmic vibes fantasy vibe oasis vibe Arctic vibe nonsense names for flavors I buy cherry lime egg ghost I've never I've never considered that some of them are willing to buy

stuff because they have stupid names like I feel like all of them kind of are stupid right it's all kind of silly and stupid like fuel and like all of that shit but they they draw the line yeah they draw the line at whatever whatever It's still called strawberry lime aid ghost.

Yeah. This guy goes, I buy cherry limeate ghost. I know what I'm getting. Mango loco monster? Same. Hawaiian punch C4. Likewise.

Mango loco monster is his idea of a literal name for the product. But you know, you know you're getting mango. That's what I think. But so you say, you're also getting loco. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it does get a little confusing after mango, no doubt. But you at least know there's going to be the, flavor of mango in there, I guess, is what he's saying. And then the other stuff that he's, they doesn't even say what the flavor is. Is that what he's saying? He goes, also I buy for the drink slash volume, not caffeine. So spending the same amount as a 16 ounce for a 12 house isn't into cards. Same applies for Red Bull and Alani. It is true that the most energy drink names could be deodorant, male deodorant names. Yeah. Zero editing. Yeah, definitely. This guy goes, it's because people in this sub are obsessed with ghost and gorilla mind so instead of accepting

that other people have different taste buds they just shit all over it we got celsius we have gorilla mine dick riders in here yeah too many of them it's disgusting this guy goes we don't even have either of those where i live it's just celsius doesn't really taste great i like the peach vibe but have hated every other flavor and this guy goes nah man they genuinely don't taste good and he's like to you imagine not being able to come comprehend that people have different tastes and they replies we go here we go this is what the internet this is what these yeah threads it well he goes i most definitely understand i'm just saying lots of people think they're ass so they write about it here on the internet so uh so yeah do you

go i'm checking with this guy real quick before i get to more of these guys yelling at it we do it obviously for most of these articles it's like it's always like oh he just drank a he just drank a cup of coffee and he had a single can of monster voila yeah i don't think so it takes years of of abuse or just just happen or he i just pictured i just pictured so this is like at some sort of a hearing and there was a doctor like a scientist who spoke on like the side of banning energy drinks in like a certain area this guy is speaking on behalf of energy in a suit he shows up in a suit yeah like this is him like giving a case to congress like speaking in front of congress yeah this guy goes most people just say they don't like it and

describe it how they would describe any drink they don't like while the vocal celsius drinkers probably not even most celsius drinkers just a few loud ones get defensive and tell us we have children's taste buds for not enjoying celsius when you hate that i mean honestly but it's only it's always the vocal minority it oh yeah the loudest that's how it isn't everything you know it'll change your view i make it feel like there's like a real you know opinion it's not really well this guy this guy who's well i'm supposed to lie and say i think it tastes good when i'm commenting my opinion on a drink it's my opinion i think celsius is dog shit nowhere in that sentence do i say everyone thinks celsius is dog shit i'm well aware

plenty of people like it there's a reason it's growing so fast I just think their flavors are terrible. Energy is solid, though. I'll give them that. So it gave an energy. Yeah. And this guy goes, I think half of ghost drink flavors are terrible.

And I think gorilla mind is overcarbonated soda garbage. But I won't sit here and shit all over it because I'm aware people are obsessed with it. So that's the guy. That's the Celsius guy being like, listen, I don't like your shit. You don't hear me run around. Right. You don't learn about Celsius. You know what I mean?

Except now. in response to what you're saying but yeah in general he's saying sort of like hey this is an unnecessary thing you don't need to share your opinion on how good something tastes because it actually could hurt the feelings of the people who think they go energy drink tastes good that's what he's saying well thankfully this guy goes the world needs more dissenting opinions not more fake shit don't hold your tongue because you know a large group of people like something hive mind mentality plays a big role in today's problems it's why the u.s. has devolved in to a political tribal back and forth

R-word war where nothing good happens. These guys have problematic. They use some problematic language. He didn't say R-word. No, no, no, no, no. He goes, I personally think Ghost is the best energy drink on the market, but not because some MOOC on Reddit told me to like it.

Yeah, it's this, I love that. I prefer if you called MOOC the M-word, if you don't, like, this guy goes i fucking respect this takes so hard oh yeah that's what we need more of yeah ghost makes me feel like i'm prepping to go on a bender celsius helps me function during the day and the flavors don't give me a goddamn migraine because god forbid an energy drink not use five different artificial sweeteners and have enough citric acid to rival the acidity of the fucking toxic avenger orange cream sickle fucks hard though hmm that did seem like the kind of guy that would say fox hard so I appreciated him

confirming at the end I need you to hear this real quick this guy goes gorilla mind and C4 are both complete trash to LMAO guy replies and goes rage bait used to be believable and he goes he goes nah C4 has trash ingredients and gorilla mind is basically soda the guy responds and goes trash

ingredients we got a dietitian over here and the guy replies it goes I have a degree in nutrition so oh okay oh shit big winner in the thread he goes called it you can use your degree in nutrition to describe why the ingredients

in C4 are trash and what energy drinks aren't trash so he was like no I was literally actually saying I think you're a diet yeah and he's like yeah he's saying that they're all trash basically they all have bad and then finally one of other

jokes on you I knew I was chugging diarrhea and then this guy I love He goes, it's the LeCroix of energy drinks, and it's the one aimed at office people. I think it's gross and don't like the way it makes me feel. So it's for office people, is an insult. Yeah. For that, let's check in with our guy here, see what he's got going.

The person in question just might not have the body, you know, just might not be able to handle what I can handle. That's true. You know, just like I can barely handle. a lot of spicy food you know i still eat it you know you know i know i probably shouldn't but you know some people handle like fucking champs they just scarf that shit down and boom true it's nothing them it's like drinking water they can drink hot sauce well it's maybe not the same thing because monster energy drinks and other energy drinks are load with uh you know chemical and have killed people by the way hot sauce has yet to kill some even he is acknowledging that this

It has a very shoddy. Yeah. I mean, so yeah, the thing I'm talking about is filled with chemicals. But he's saying like, yeah, that we know that we're okay with it and we like it. I agree with him. I'm with him on that. This is a review of Zowa. I don't usually drink anything with fizz in it.

This is carbonated and I was shocked at first. My body at 78 years old does not do well with carbonated anything. 78. How much caffeine? is in those uh i'd have to look at up uh zoa energy look up zoa plus because i think that's what they're running now are they're in their fourth iteration now i think a hundred and six yeah i've heard there yeah i mean fool me once somebody explained to me that they're on a different iteration we're wondering what she's even drinking which iteration it is if you're worth drinking we're looking

at 160 i think we're we we i doubt i would even post for a photo with the new iterations this guy goes does say zoa energy 16 ounce has 210 milligrams of caffeine that's from the zoa website okay which 10's not bad but yeah i don't really get out of no 210 is high chris 300 is an upper limit 300 is a minimum for me that's the minimum for me that's the minimum for me 300 is not the floor james floor yeah the chris floor is 300 and prefer Probably is up with you one or more. Which ones have 300? I'm going to, I'm really,

just the tri-stem. The tri-stem does definitely, but is there other ones, you know? Oh, is it like 100 milligrams per stem? Is that like, are we roughly? Is that what we kind of out of? So you could, you could say that if you had 200 minutes,

but I wonder what the, how the stems are after, if that particular beverage is attacking different parts of your nervous system and actually giving you physically different stems that you can't even get from the other ones. So it says Celsius heat,

bang energy, star x dorrance and c4 ultimate energy are the 300 uh the 300 club oh no actually it says it's up to 400 milligrams those holy very nice very nice what was the monster one what was it called uh x durance ex dorrence like the letter x like an endurance that comes from the external like is that what they're saying i think they're saying x is x d u r a ncc e and cees so it is yeah it's an it's an ex durance okay x is times 10 i don't know if you know this okay this is endurance times 10 is that 10 but that can't be 10 stim right and can no yeah i don't think there's a 10 stim i mean if you know 10 stim i mean there i heard rumors about a guy going

to 10 stem once but like that was oh i heard i heard i had a friend who did he got close he did nine stem and then the jester came and fucking stop the jester will get you on it uh this says gorilla mind energy drink tiger's blood has 400 oh very nice 400 is a nice round number wasn't insanely high number gorilla mindset was that like a right wing thing like is that oh i'm sure does that have anything to do with guerrilla mind okay yeah no i don't think it has anything to do it that i don't know for sure i don't i was gorilla mindset a thing no you're Right. It was. It was like Mike Cernovich, right? Cernovic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I would, Charlie, it doesn't strike me as could be possibly true that a, you know, conservative person would have anything to do with an energy drink. Right. Are there any left wing energy drinks? Oh, Celsius. It's called Celsius. Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah.

That's for us. That's for the left. We drink a Celsius. Brian's a prominent leftist. Brian's a huge prominent leftist. So anyway, this guy goes, so this taste. and so good. I left one open overnight. It was perfect the next morning for me. I love the fact that it's only 10 calories and gives me energy, which of course I need desperately. The peach is wonderful, and I thought that would be the only flavor I don't really care for, but I'm a peach lover now. No sugar is a plus for all of us. The health benefits of no sugar can't be expressed enough. Sugar kills so stay away from it, and it was delivered to my door by the nice Amazon delivery people can't be beat. this heat is too much for me so now i drink one energy drink go to my water aerobic class every day and can't be happier of course i will be ordering this again so happy i found it so

i'm picturing a elderly person that's an elderly lady 78 year old person drinking a zoa okay okay that is the most wholesome engagement i think you've given us so far oh yeah it feels like this sweet old lady who yeah she's nearing the end of her time on this mortal coil and she wants to have a little fun with the Zoa I got no problem with that this person goes great if you want to stay

awake bad if you'd like to sleep at night well yeah because these are delicious and my dietitian approves all flavors very good but I finally connected my insomnia who's your diet dish it's this guy

is this guy a reputable guy my dietitian is saying that my energy drink consumption is fine yeah he explained to me what like the how many energy drinks i should be having i guess that's probably true i'm being i'm being like i guess it probably would say if you have to have them you know this is a better one to have and have it in moderation or whatever i do like the idea that they go but i finally connected it to my insomnia yeah so never drink afternoon if you want to sleep that night. Yeah, that seems like somebody who's a little bit, because that's a pretty common sense thing, right? Like,

you don't drink coffee at night or whatever, a caffeine at night. Well, Chris, we know how much you, we hear guys, LLC, or violence gang LLC. That's the name of the company. He thought it was a funny joke because we talk about his violence gang. I don't have a violence gang. But it would be a funny joke to name

the LLC, violence gang LLC. And guess what, Charlie, it ain't such a funny joke. I think it's funny still i like it it causes a lot of problems for i don't like saying it when i go to the bank or whatever but i'm fine with it yeah we'll have like yeah we have account issues often i'll say yeah yeah we see the violence gang well yeah my yeah my friend was in a was in a punk band called the smugglers and they had to and they had to like they would tour internationally and it's like every border they got to they were like what the fuck did you think was going to happen like you called yourself the smugglers. Well, here's a guy who is definitely

writing a story on on Amazon about Zoha. With a lifelong energy drink addiction, I can safely say that I've tried more energy drinks than most folks. Please, please, please understand that I'm not being hyperbolic when I say this. Uh-oh. This guy is trying out for a writing job at an unspecified outlet. We encounter these guys a lot

where they're like, I'll just get my writing out there on a forum post or a review, but it's like you can tell that they're like, they're not writing it in the same way a normal person does. They're writing it with a little flare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe Lauren Michaels will see it. Maybe Lauren will see it. Maybe Lauren will see it when he's, when he's buying energy drinks.

Yeah, when he's buying his energy drink. That's the crazy thing, right? Charlie, it's like Dwayne the Rock Johnson or whatever. Maybe he's a bad example because of his proximity. But like a really famous guy, he has to go buy something. He's going to look at the. reviews your best chance to get your work in front of their eyes yeah yeah so i'm not being hyperbolic when i say this zoa zero sugar energy drink pineapple coconut is easily unequivocally absolutely the very

worst one that i've ever tried sounds bad i will say that most energy drink companies understand that if you're packing your drink with a bunch of gross tasting stuff you have to use strong flavors to hide or over power overpower that not this crap the pineapple is muted at best and the coconut's barely a stuttering whisper. A barely a stuttering whisper? Oh, there it is. There's the flare. Yeah, let's get a let's get an editor in on the play.

And just if Charlie, Charlie is a, is a professor of, right, as like, so this is a university, so, yeah, you probably are you, you're probably a little bit impressed with this. So, no, no, so I, yeah, former, it's been a while, but for former creative writing instructor, I definitely would underline stuttering whisper in red ink. And I'd send that back for a second because if you need some numbers for perspective and if my calculations are correct, I figure this drink is about 50% regret, 49% yucky and 1% pineapple coconut flavor. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what the gross flavor is. You don't want to keep thinking about it, but you have to

wrestle with the fact that you just paid 2736 for a 12 pack. This guy fucking bought a 12 pack. He's buying multiples. I think it's the only way you can get it probably for some of them, right? It's not available in the area. So you have to order it and you probably can't order a single can. That's what I'm guessing because they're ordering it off of Amazon, right?

So it's probably like that's the only available amount and they need to try it because they're such an energy drink guy. But then they get it and they're like, this is fucking horrible. I love the idea of him being like just struggling in his mind to like don't think about what the gross taste is. You know, don't think about it. Don't fucking think about it, but he can't stop thinking about like what is making it taste like that. Yeah, I don't think that's a good feeling to have after you drink a beverage. Also just having $27.36 for a 12 pack of electrified poopy water. Well, lucky for y'all, I have a wee penny pension goblin science.

in my brain that keeps poking at my gray matter and screeching you've already paid for you it may as well drink it for science so you know for science i drank a whole can heck i even cracked and tried a second can to ensure this wasn't an isolated incident in a singular can well that's smart that is actually smart that's the one thing i wouldn't drink the whole can but i would maybe crack another one and see like hey did this one go bad something did i get a rancid hit of yeah soa well he goes a second can, a second can to ensure that this wasn't an isolated incident in a singular can. Nope. The second can was an all expenses paid trip to Yucktown, too.

I think I figured out a good approximation for what the grossness actually tastes like, though. If you've ever had one of those multivitamin horse bills, no, not the chewable ones that are made with, you know, flavors. I hate that. I hate that in writing, we're like assuming the reader is, you know, like, he's made a misdemeanor. everything about this but yes i know what you mean no not the blah blah i know what you're thinking but no it's like you don't know anything about me we're markedly we're very different we're completely opposite i know what you're thinking you're looking at me thinking this celebrity and this celebrity had a baby and they're going what stand-up comedy brian you wouldn't get it i get it

we're talking we're talking boards treading the boards no not the chewable ones that are made with you know flavors like a proper big old pill that you're somehow expected to swallow without tasting and you accidentally let sit on your tongue too long so that you started tasting it well there you go now that seems like not a common experience listen i know i know vitamins are gross but you're really getting specific on the on the flavors that this is he goes if you were hung over one day and you made the mistake of thinking centrum one a day was a chewable vitamin because your brain goblin was also hung over and you tried chewing it and that's it that's my best approximation approximation approximation September fish when we're

recording this so you have to take it easy on me uh September Fish is, again, sorry to the listeners who want to kill me when I do this. September Fish is the, he said September Fish. He makes things called Flubs, and there's a group called the Flubheads who, like, what he does is a flub, they go crazy, they pound their table and they start chanting and stuff, and they have, like, groups. And so September Fish is a big day for the Flubheads, because it's sort of the day where we celebrate all the flubs, yoga, the most recent, he said, instead of backlash for

mocking Trump, he said blacklash. for Monsing Trunk. That one is going off online. I mean, who can blame? Yeah, that one's, he said, what did you say, instead of Buxum,

he said bungsum. Oh, I don't remember. It's coming out, though. I'm sure I'll hear it. Yeah, that one, that one came out today as we're recording this. Bunkston or Bungham? I don't remember.

It was very rough, but Bungham. Very good. But Bucum is a hard thing to say. Yeah, it is. And today, but today is like a celebration of the flub. So it makes sense. Let's check in one more time with Mr.

Caffeine man. See what he's got going on. I forgot about the caffeine, man. I wonder how he's too. He's such a regular looking guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. You look at him and you're like,

if you saw him in person, you would not think he's like a foremost energy drink influencer. I think it depends on like sort of when you caught him. If he was fully stimmed up and you saw him, I'm just fucking going like mile a minute. Like you might get a, but yeah, he just looks like a regular guy would have a regular job.

I'm going to find, Brian, I'm going to find Caffeine Man and the tristem experience and see if we can find that and maybe do that on a on a bonus or something. What are the views on a video like this? Good question. Caffeine Man is not one of the bigger influencers out there. 886 views.

But he has 50,000 subscribers. Yeah, he does great. And as those numbers seem off. I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to make any accusations against the caffeine, man, but I don't know that those sink up. Yeah, yeah, that's a, I mean, it's also bad anyway, where it's like, so 51,000 people subscribe and only 800, we're like, I'm going to click that video. That's, that indicates, as somebody who studies YouTube a lot, that indicates that you

had a really big video maybe where he got a bunch of subscribers. from it, but then not a lot of them had any interest in the other stuff that he did. Right. I think more likely he's, he might have dipped his toes in the old. Unlike Dwayne, somebody's still juice in here. Maybe that's why he's angry at the rock. Maybe. It is very possible.

Here we go. Until you get it right. And that's how I also feel about Starbucks a lot of the same things. Because in 2014, Starbucks came out with their refreshers because the refreshers, because the Refreshers were very popular in the stores, so they decided to bring that same popularity into the can. They were made with green coffee bean extract, so they were considered energy drinks because they had caffeine in them from a natural source, as well as having some decent flavors. They weren't really overly competitive, but they kept them out there for a while.

They already had the plant and facility to make the refreshers. All they had to do was can them. So in 2022, they came out with another energy drink to surpass all the other energy drinks because it's Starbucks. They have billions of dollars to research. I know a guy that calls it cuck bucks yeah i heard they're not actually doing that well i don't know if they have that much money to be doing research and stuff there's been an ad there's there's the advent recently somebody invented a mom and pop coffee shop yeah yeah yeah maybe go to a mom and pop shop if you want to get some of this in for you know what the thing about starbucks is they're only in it

for the money yeah yeah i'll say this about them these guys do think that's an interesting point. Like they don't in their, because I think a lot of people that are a little older grew up at a time where going to Starbucks was kind of a status symbol thing. Right. Or like a small,

short amount of time. Yeah. Like when they first started building them here in Ohio, like if you went there, it was like, look at this. No, especially, especially in the states, that's true. That was not the case really in Canada, but I remember,

was, I was in, uh, Atlanta once and a, my friend who was like, he was talking about how his sister was artsy, uh, like she went to Starbucks. Yes. It was like, and it was like, yeah, it was like, oh, that's not, that is a very different cultural signifier in Canada. Uh, and I think, I think that that is one of the reasons that a lot of these guys are like, everybody thinks Starbucks is so fucking good. It's like, I don't know about that anymore. I don't think I believe that. They're just kind of like the thing that's there. They're like a institution. Yeah. McDonald's. Exactly. My biggest issue with them personally, I love Starbucks. You know me. I'm always going to Starbucks. My issue is, can I get some coffee flavored coffee, please?

That's that's our rant. That's sort of the, yeah. That's Leary, baby. That's Leary. That's the rant man himself, the master of the rant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, all these different size is moca doca whatever just can i how about a coffee for crying out loud i like the part where he talks about the guy the hipster behind the counter at starbucks with his pants falling down yeah okay okay dennis all right have taste testing done they know what people want they can get it to them because if you have billions of dollars make a good drink and it can't always buy it if you want to all my thoughts on that drink you can check out that video right there okay over all the details of this crappy energy drink that they released.

Yes, billions of dollars that they have, and they made a crappy energy drink. And so you can check out that video, but I am actually, I'm fairly confident that it's been discontinued because I don't think you can find it anymore. If you do, it's usually at your discount stores because they're selling it down.

You don't want to hear that. You do not want to hear they have it at Dollar Tree because that means your drink is going away. And if you go to R-slash energy drinks, they will let you know, like G-fuel has been at the dollar tree lately. they're like going crazy they're like we got to get all this jeep you i never even thought of that with like how everyone has become so obsessed with like brands and things like that now you're

right where they're like so brand loyal and you're like in a community online where you're like i like this type of tool and not this type of tour this brand and that's got to be the ultimate thing taking the photo of them in the dollar store to say like this is your shit is like yeah it's bad remainder ben it's gone it's done new flavors because it was bad. That's all it is. If you look at my scores on there, I'll actually, you don't have to watch the video. I'm not going to force you to watch that video. I'm going to spoilor alert

for you guys. If you did want to watch that video, go watch it now because I'm going to tell you what the scores were. See, those are the scores right there. This is why caffeine, man, is that a 50,000 subscriber 800 views ratio. Yeah, he's not, he's telling people actively not to watch his other day. He's going

in his own teasers. Can I also say, I just want to say this, okay? Actually, Let him talk for a second. Sure. And then, well, because me and Chris deal with a lot of ratings, guys, guys that rate things. Yeah. And it doesn't work ever.

But here he goes. And if you've watched caffeine man videos and you know caffeine man, you're going to know that that, that, those are some pretty bad scores. A lot of people say I'm generous with my scores. So if a drink actually tastes good, it gets a decent score. But when you got a six, five, you're not buying that drink. And with how competitive all these flavor categories are, there are so many more drinks than those so that's why they're being discontinued so if a bad can is 6.5 there's not enough what is the

scale we're rating on you can't say this is terrible it's a 7.0 yeah so you're you're I think you're giving too high a rate it's guy well in this guy I think he loves energy drinks right so in the beginning he was just like this is a 10 well this one's 10 well I mean this one's a 95 maybe because it like made me a little sick after but like yeah and so he ended up with this scale that was way off we know it's around guys we say there should the every scale rating scale should be three out of three it's simple it's like i'll give you four but three out of three is three is like just three out of three is great two out of three is like pretty good one out of three is bad that's it yeah yeah that's good and sometimes we wish they'd let you give a zero

that's a classic poster I just say on a review yeah oh man but yeah I think like we're in such

a rating like disaster world for ratings you know what I mean because it's like a guy like this is giving gross things 7.0s you know that's got to be a two

or three that has to be if you're saying it's so gross is discontinued you hate it and somebody's just going to come on like you're the type of channel where people aren't going to be watching every one of your videos they're just going to come along and see a review for this product they might like and then they see a 7.2 and they're like yeah I guess I'll give it a try that I love that in this scenario you're both treating it as though caffeine man is actually driving the market market decisions like that there's anyone going in and just like I don't have time to watch the video just give me the

numbers. Yeah, yeah, they don't even watch the video. They just need coffee. I just need. I need one of the reviews. Give it just. Yeah. 50,000 people go to him for 800 of 5,000 people. Right. That's true. But in his mind, he's like 50,000 people come to me, man. I got to do it. Uh, well, that is energy drink guys. I think these guys are going to show up a lot more. Chris, I did have a rant, another rant guy, but you would have had to use some bleeps we have all these rank guys that we find you know and we play them but it's just annoying I always have to pull out my bleep gun on them

oh yeah I'll show you I want to show you the guy sure I see the guy and let's say we'll be able to tell that he might need the bleep gun you might be able to tell that you're going to need the bleep if you see the guy I should have known when I was watching it and these are values based bleeps my values yeah I don't want them on the i don't want them on the show certain words i just don't want

we just even were making yeah we just don't really want no that's what i'm saying like these are these are not swear words you're bleeping out these are oh no oh no we'll leave in this is hate hateful hateful language that yeah language yeah yeah yes big you go so oh yeah he's wearing one of those big dc hats flat rim oh my god this guy is yeah i would just i would know right away seeing this guy as soon as he came up and talked to me i would know that yeah he's gonna say some he's going our word mode oh yeah all right charlie do you have anything you want to plug i have um i have a new when does this go up you know two weeks okay well uh i have a new comedy special out and uh a new um comedy album uh called uh

uh fish from the jar uh from comedy here often at 604 records so if people want to check that out that would be uh wonderful charlie's one of one of the funniest comedians in our country and that i know and i have known him for a long time and watch him do comedy he has i'm sure you get just brought up a lot and it's obviously a big thing right now but you have i think the best joke about uh israel palestine and i think you could probably look it up online but it is a very very good and uh poignant joke and uh yeah he's just one of the funniest guys one of my favorite comedians so um i just almost i just almost did one of my famous oh pro israel then huh yeah yeah that's the way we go over here but yeah well we go in our defense where we're trying

to get bibby on and so it just for the time being we thought we're going to get on just for a regular episode to talk about some racist guys he's going to We're just going to talk to them, and we're just going to kind of give them the floor from time to time. Yeah. Just sort of, you know, yeah. That's what you got to do with them. You won't come on the show if you don't. All right.

Ellis, thank you very much for having me. I tell you what I feel like. A big, tall glass of Celsius right now is like. Nice. That's bad, actually, today. All right. We'll see you all next week. Goodbye.

Bye. So long.