Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 145 - Marketing Guys with Charlotte McDonnell

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

We had Charlotte McDonnell from What's All This Then on the show to talk about a long overdue business man type of guy. Bryan gave some ideas out and we learned about all of the great things that marketing can do. A guy got mad at the blair witch project and some marketing guys talked about a tv show concept (Not Mad Men) There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST at twitch.tv/notevenashowand I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to guys, a podcast about guys. I'm Brian. Co-host is Chris. Hi, Chris. Hello. You market it? You ever do marketing? In what like never as a job, no.

I remember like when I was looking for a job or whatever, there'd be times in my life when I was like sort of looking for any kind of job. Yeah. When I was younger and I was just like, fuck, what could I even do? Like I, you know, I'm tired of working in a warehouse or whatever. and I would look at online job listings and there would be a lot of marketing ones where they're like, hey, you can do this job. And I was like, really, me? Like, you can walk around with one of those Red Bull backpacks on handing Red Bull out to people on the street. Yeah, that's usually what they were.

They were like, yeah, it wasn't. You were not, you know, you're not taking an 8 a.m. meeting to discuss the, you know, the fourth quarter earnings and how we're going to push a. No, you were out on the street, hassling people. So we have for a guest this week, someone that has been on the show, but hasn't been on by herself, Charlotte McDonald. Hi, Charlotte. Hello. Thanks for having me back. I do feel a little, a little naked without my Libby today.

I'm so used to podcast with my Libby, you know? Yeah. Well, you guys, of course, have a podcast. So do you, when was the last time that you podcasted Libby list? I, uh, maybe like four months ago, but it had an entirely different feeling about it. It was, I was on a transgender podcast and so I was being sort of nice, you know? Oh, I feel like I'm supposed to be, supposed to be a crazy freak here. And Libya brings the crazy freak energy a lot of the time.

Have you done marketing at all? I mean, other than, listen, me and Chris are the worst marketers on the planet, which is why I wrote some slogans for the show. People do say that were very bad. at marketing and that I have seen a lot of people who'll send me a message. They'll say, hey, how come I, how come you don't tell anyone where the stream is or where you can watch it or if it's going to be on? Do you guys have a Patreon? Do you guys have a patron?

What's like is it used to be on a different channel, but your channel got suspended. Do you still do the stream? And it's like, oh, yeah, we still do it on a different channel. Sorry, we forgot to venture that. It's, oh, I guess you guys are listening now. It's on Twitch.com TV slash not even a show. that's Sunday nights at 5 o'clock. But to be honest, we usually don't do it anymore.

Well, last night, this time, well, see, this dates the thing. I only didn't do it because my doctor put me on medicine that triggered every single one of my panic attack things. And I was on like a three-day thing. You know what I mean? Just losing my mind. I mean, I appreciate that. It's because the white caps were in the playoffs. No, because I would have done it.

You would have done it with somebody else. Yeah, because I had been drowsy. This medicine caused drowsiness and it was extended release. So I was basically just woke up drowsy, like dizzy and with heart palpitations. And I was like, I don't think I can. Energy drink guy listening. Oh, sick. See, I can't stream if I just like feel like a tiny bit sad because I'm just like streaming.

It's just going to bring up like all of my insecurities, you know. Streaming is. is hard because you're live as well. So there's no, you know, there's no deciding to take it down or whatever. I was so fucking tired. The amount of tired. I went to bed at 8 o'clock a couple times in the past few days,

but it was just like I was dizzy. I thought at one point I was going to die on Thursday. Wow. And also, listen, this is probably too much information. I'm there for overactive bladder because I have to pee all the time, right? This motherfucker gave me medicine that makes it. So you have to pee all the time. Oh, what medicine?

Are you double-pying? I'm not. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not peeing at all. Like, it's like, they fucked it up. You're feeling the desire to pee and not able to? I'll do anything to pee. But when I go to the bathroom, it's just drip, drip, drip, you know what I mean?

My friend, my friend Brock, when we would take mushrooms, he would get the pee, that he would feel like he had to pee, but he couldn't. And it stopped them from taking mushrooms. in the end. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, yeah. So anyway, we're talking about marketing. I have taken, I talked about the marketing job I took too many times to. And also, this is, you know, this shows closer, close to Queber's heart. You know what I mean? Marketing. Learning a lot, you know, Quieber was going to definitely be a marketer, a madman, as they call it, when he went to college. Oh, because of the show. That's after the show or was that? Before the

show. Remember, I majored in marketing. No, but no, no, no, I'm saying the term madman. No, that comes from the show. That comes from the show. Yeah, I was going for, I guess I would just, high-flying advertising man. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, I did picture myself as like a guy in a suit doing cocaine and fucking going to work. The first thing is the he picture was taking drugs, which makes so. much sense because at the time you were very into drugs, right? I love them. So I think that maybe

was quite a bit of the appeal was if you thought to yourself, hey, if I can get myself into a suit when I'm taking these drugs, that might improve things. Come up with a way. When it comes to a madman, it's mostly napping that they do, right? Yeah, pre-coke. That was pre-cote times, I think.

They weren't taking... They were drinking. Yeah, they didn't, they were drinking. They were drinking scotch. Yeah, the 70s is when coat was like picking up you know but anyway i saw myself as being like listen i could sell somebody delta airlines no fucking problem what does that mean sell them the delta like sell them um get on a delta fly somewhere that's my that's a weird thing but it would be a cute guy doing it you know what you tell me so i'm i'm i'm right now in them i'm looking to fly right now i need to go on a flight and i'm coming by i don't know in what i'm not a salesman i'm an ad man you know i see so

you're making an advertisement for Delta. So let's hear like what is kind of if you could picture like a like a cute guy, like not like cute guy, but cute like a cute old man. Oh, I see. Oh, okay. He's knowledgeable, you know, he knows the skies. He knows what he's going to like, you know? But he's cute.

He's cute. He's cute like hand. Not cute like good looking. Like cute like old man. Like he's like a puppy dog. He's like the donut guy. Puppy dog kind of cute. Yeah.

Yeah. So he's like that and he goes, I love flying on Delta. And he points. He does the point. Who's he pointing at? He does the point. Delta. And it comes across the screen.

It's like, okay, so an airplane flies across the screen and the chem trail off of it says Delta. I love to fly. A way of chem trails. That's what comes off the airplanes. I don't know actually what it's called. So I just call them chem trails. So that's one I figured out. I don't feel like I'm sold yet.

Well, Delta's easy to sell because this is the best airline. You know what I mean? So boom. That's what I would tell them in a meeting. I'd tell them in a meeting. Hey, this thing sells itself. Okay. Well, then they'd say, well, then you're fired then.

Oh. Delta. Hold on, hold on. Delta. The gold necklace of airplanes. Oh, how about the purse? necklace. That's coming.

They get people thinking about, well, Delta, it'll make you come. Then a, then, but a penis flies across the screen and it's shooting jizz out. It flies backwards. So it's shooting jizz out backwards. The jizz is like a rocket. The jizz is like a chem trail. It's like a from the jiz. Yeah.

Yeah, because when a penis flies, listen, when a penis flies, it flies balls first. We all know that. Yeah, I guess those would be the wings. Those would be the wings. It doesn't look right though. You don't want like the cockpit to be in the balls, right? Yeah, you're right. The cockpit is the clams.

It has to be. You're right. The actual head itself does look more like what the cockpit of a spaceship or something like that would be, right? But I mean, you can't argue with the fact that the balls are the wings. And listen, this is why you two will never be good ad people ever. You don't understand. You fly the penis balls first so that the jizz can be the rocket pack.

And it says, Delta, it'll make you come. Yeah, we're the really annoying clients coming through being like, no, I think the penis has to be. I think the front of the penis has to be going in front of the plane. Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte, I understand what you're saying. But, yeah, we're just it. But we know that the balls are the wings. And also, could we get a little bit of the ball skin sort of like? Like getting out there like a like a like a what do they call those things a sugar glider or whatever like just a little bit of a

Have you ever seen um pom polka? I have not no there's some really good testicle flying action in that movie what it's what if I said this it's quite it's quite special What if I said this here here let me give you this pilot and one ball co-pilot and other ball Okay so now but those so they're not the wings or no you're using the balls as the sort of cockpit thing and then also but you're getting the flap from the ball's skin and can can the balls be the wings inside they can try but that's not what this isn't a wings airplane oh it's not a winged airplane this is not a wing this is a rocket more like okay with the jizz is the fire that comes out and pushes it you get what I'm saying yeah imagine this is your first first one you're listening to so this guy on our slash

marketing goes stop marketing 20s and 30s like energy to men over 40 like energy to you like energy to men over 40. This guy's mad, I think. He saw an ad for a like Adderall pill that said it would make a 59 year old feel 30. That's two lies. One, who the hell is 59 years? Sounds like, who the hell's 59 sounds like a gap year? And what the hell is so goddamn good about being 30? Is it the indecisiveness, the unyielding pressure to grow up and stay young? I saw another ad telling me I could have sex like I was 20 in my like I was in my 20s. Buddy, I tell you, if those times would not, those times I would not

be boasting about, my 20s had some of the worst sex of my life. And you expect me to relive that with a pill? What's goddamn next? An energy drink that makes you feel like you're 12? Why were you bad at sex in your 20s? I think the 20s is, is like, that's the argument you make when you're a teenage, like you know what I mean? Like the idea of like you're just way too, you know, maybe you're going

too fast or you know you're too enthusiastic. or you just don't know what you're doing. But I mean, when you're 28 years old or whatever, I feel like you should at that point sort of be in your groove and know how to do sex. It's like 23, I would say. It depends. Listen, some people have sex later, obviously. And like, I get that.

But yeah, again, he's saying in his 20s, I mean, that's a 27-year-old man being like, God, I got no idea what I'm doing here. It's maybe the most fun in the early 20s. But I think the marketing here is. you're going to have the experience and the virality of a 30-year-old. And that's a good midpoint, right? 30 is good. 30 is good.

I agree. I think probably, I'm trying to think of when I was best at sex. I'm 40 years old now. I was 16. You think you were at your top of your game when you were. Was I good? I've had a one expertise. I'm not going to bring it up.

You've got to be really good at one thing. And brother, I was really good at one thing. You're a specialist. Yeah. Anyways, I think probably, I mean, I guess I was probably best at sex when I was like, yeah, like in my 30s. I think you're probably like early 30s. Like now I'm definitely not as good at it. I don't think because I have a kid now and I'm, I'm, I don't have a child that I'm so tired.

Yeah. Yeah, that's all. This guy goes, yeah, there's a large segment of buyers who want to feel young. O.P. is not in that segment slash not a buyer and is asking them to stop LMAO. And then this guy goes, he's a bad marketer. A marketer that thinks a strategy is bad because of his personal experiences, that's the worst kind of marketer. He's not their target and he should understand that.

What a dumb post. And then this guy goes, think like you're 30, bang like your 20s, solid. That's the OPE. He's giving the guy shit still. Well, I didn't really end. I was confused by the comment about people not being 59 years. old. I am too. I think he's saying that that's not a demographic number. Oh, I see. So like, that's a weird age. He wants a round number. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a like, like,

59 is like that very end of a demographic. That's what I think they think he's confused by Charlotte is that, yeah, that that's the one, the demographic before 60, but he's just like, it's got a nine on the end. You know, got to have a got to have a zero, maybe a five, not a nine. I mean, you have to think about how these guys think about the world. You know what I mean? And like they do think of people as like 18 to 49. You know, they think of people in these demographics.

Yeah. So like 59 probably is an age where it's like, why would I give a shit about 59 year old? Because they hate older people. Yeah, they don't spend any money. Yeah, maybe he knows more than we do even.

He's saying like that's an outside of the thing. It actually goes like 18 to 49. and then it goes like 50 to 69. So like 59 is like in the middle of a different. Like why would you even use that? Like that's he's got he's actually smarter than us. Why would you sell anything to a 59 year old? Yeah.

It's a waste. They should be dying in the street to be honest. Oh, okay. He's a bad. This guy goes, yeah, they can't exactly say bang like you're 20 on TV. So they just say feel like you're 20 or she'll like it too. And then the guy replies and goes in my experience,

women prefer older men. So I think this guy's just an older guy. Well, yeah, in my experience of being an older man, I mean, I don't, I suppose maybe that like some people can come into their own later on, like, right? Maybe like he had no, he had no like ability to or, you know, people didn't find him attractive and then he got older and better. But I don't think that's a general rule. Yeah.

Yeah. And then this guy goes, take a look at the post right here. I've grown nostalgic when the internet seemed full of 14-year-olds. It has devolved in that time. Now everybody asks for explain it like I'm five dumb-down guide to business. Apparently, few understand how few successful businesses are run by five-year-olds. But tell... It's so many ages.

I'm having trouble from keeping training. So he said that people... The internet was best when it was 14-year-olds, right? So that's our base... What is it? What does that even? Yeah, what does that even mean?

I don't, these people are crazy. Yeah, these people are like to just starting out here. These are, this is a really confusing bunch of people that. What he's saying is people come to these forums and they say, explain it like I'm five.

Yeah. Explain the job like I'm five. And he's saying like, well, five year olds don't run successful businesses. It's just a figure. Which is very literal. Yeah,

it's not. His demographic brain. Right. Can only think. about people within these age brackets and nothing else. Explain it like on five. Well, it's like a big dinosaur,

a big scary dinosaur and a monster. And like, he's acting like that. And he goes, but tell me, if you're 60 and you have your shit together, just how much drugs do you figure you'll be buying? I keep telling people to understand their customers and they read it,

nod, roll their eyes like children and mutter, yeah, yeah, and then finally the OP just goes, all that blue chew hymns, gas station pill supplements that are technically drugs can't be good for someone over,

60. I got to say, if you're about banging sluts like you're in your 20s or desire to have the mental acuity of 30 years old, then buddy, you don't need pills. You need to grow up. At 60, you better not be buying the battle pass boner pill in front of me at the gas station. You're going to beat the shit out of him if he buys a

boner pill at the gas station? Listen, this guy, though, I don't know if I've heard the term banging sluts in a while. That's an old turn of phrase, I feel. Not good. Not a good thing to say in 2025. No, one of those ones where where it's like, it's kind of like,

oh, you think, I mean, hey, it might not be, maybe it's not, it just, it's one of those ones where when you hear it. It is coming back around. It is coming back here. We're in a slut resurgence. Yeah, because it's, when I hear it, it was a little bit jarring to me. I feel like it's not something you hear that often,

like in that sort of way, like a guy being like banging sluts. Like, ooh. Well, let's find another weird guy. this guy goes uh this is from our slash mark he goes i had this crazy idea of 547 a m to try and use facebook ads to find the perfect life i decided to compare the effectiveness to dating sites and document my process here's the experiment using the drake equation for romance which i would not use that equation um yeah that's uh that i don't this is it of course it's a different thing it's not the Drake equation of how old, yeah, I would change the name of the equation.

Yeah, I think he's the most famous Drake. He's the most famous Drake now and I think you're right, Brian. If you're using this type of equation, I think you might want to consider a rebrand on the equation name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also, this is weird. This is from nine years ago.

He goes, I found out that there are approximately 64 potential spouses in my city. The odds aren't exactly in my favor. So I plan to use my marketing skills and use targeted Facebook ads to help improve my chances. Bottom line, if you want to, discover how to personalize your dating experience, explore new ways to find a spouse, tired of relentless dating site spam, learn new ways to connect with people online or you enjoy funny stories from the adventures of. You might like my experiments to find out a spouse on Facebook. So this is a market. This is a marketing thing.

It is. So this thing itself is not a real person saying a real thing in my mind. This is like a marketing thing, a company that is trying to convince people to do this. That's what it sounds like to me. You can't even, I can't express you how popular this idea is. This guy goes, hell's yeah, bro. This is great. And he goes, glad you enjoyed it, bro.

And he goes, yeah, bro, ham. Keep up the good work, brother. Yeah, bro, ham. Yeah, bro, ham. Keep up the good word, brother. I look forward to your next ones. So, and then this guy goes, I click, oh, first of all, so he put a link. This guy goes, I clicked on the link and it froze my page and told me a virus was stealing

my logins and credit card info said I had to call their number immediately. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you read a post like that and you click the link, then you, yeah, you're going to be scammed for sure. Yeah. Next, I goes, God damn it, that post was so good. I actually signed up to receive updates by mail. Okay, that's another person at the same company.

Guy goes, ha, mission accomplished, this O.P. Next post will be a little more marketing specific, but hopefully just as useful. And then he gets a reply and goes, me too. Can't wait to see what happens next. 100% of my excitement comes from anticipation. Maybe I'll do this experiment in my city too. I the line 100% of my excitement comes from anticipation is so weird well I hope he never finds the wife you know in that sense

you know because it would ruin the joy this guy tells him hilarious and brilliant way to spend money and he gets a reply from the OPE is like better than wasting it on Netflix reruns man I think are these these aren't real people talking I don't think these are I think we're, I think, yeah, I think this is a computer. This is a bunch of marketing AI things talking to each other. This is nine years ago. Oh, so it's not.

No, this is people. This is a thousand percent people. Because it does, it doesn't sound like real, right? Like a Netflix rerun sounds like something AI would sort of, you know, like come up with or whatever. No, this is not AI. I promise. He goes, hello, well, I've been using Facebook guys to try and meet girls for a year now, ha ha. And then the OPE replies and goes, how's it going so far?

He goes, no dice. I don't think there's any world in which I would listen I haven't dated in a long time and I never did online dating so I don't know I'm not dating somebody off a Facebook ad I'm just not doing it I don't I don't the type of a person that depends how good the ad is that's yeah it's if it was like my Delta ad I might do it it seems like it seems like just the fact that I would maybe personally want to stay away from somebody who would be like Hey, I'm going to find a mate using a Facebook ad. Like I'm going to put an ad out to that right there would be like, okay, that maybe isn't somebody that I would want to like be with or whatever. I love this last guy. He goes, this sprung my own thought. Is Facebook in the online dating scene with so much user data? It seems like an opportunity for them to monetize.

Send a letter of Mark Zuckerberg then, dude. You fucking weirdo. Hey, Mark, I got a new revenue stream idea for you. I think they are doing whatever they're legally allowed. to do and even probably a lot of stuff they aren't allowed to do. I think they are monetizing the data that they have a lot. I did come up with some slogans for guys. I'll read you a couple of them now.

Okay. Okay. Guys. Come and get it. Come and get it. Guys. Come and get what? Come and get it.

I guess that's the question you're posing. I am interested in what it is. Humor. Humor. Yeah. And it's humor. and it's not that interesting of an answer. What about this one?

Yeah. Sorry to disappoint, but it's humor. But that is a good slogan. I do like that. Honestly, come and get it. It's like just do it. Guys, come and get it.

Yeah. What about guys? Chris, I didn't like the way you said it, though. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, I said it to, unfortunately, Charlotte, I said it the correct way. So that is the way that it's intended.

It's a disgusting podcast for sure. Yeah. This guy go, or this guy, I go, uh, guys. This guy, this guy, Brian. This one's so good. This one's so good. This is the one. Okay.

Guys, juiced up bros ready to go. Yep. And it does, it sort of makes it. That's the show. I should put that's the show at the end. It makes it seem like we're on steroids, obviously. Or energy. Yeah, I think when people hear juiced up bros, I think they, I definitely think of us.

You know what I mean? Guys, yeah, but. And finally, watch out. Guys is on the prowl. Yeah. I'm scared. Yeah, that one is, watch. Guys is on the prowl is like.

That one's good. The first one. The first one guys come and get it. Come and get it. It's like, that's a genuinely good one in my opinion. And when you said that one, I was like, holy shit. It's like, Brian, did he actually miss his calling? And should he have actually been a Marry?

marketing guy and then the two follow up once they answered that question. Juestup Bros. Ready to go doesn't work for you at all? Yeah, it seems like the second two for me. Juiced up can also mean horning. I know that's how you meant it. I know that's how you meant it, but I don't think that's how people will take it. Can be excited. I'm about juicy. Juicy bros ready to go. How's that? I like it. That's nasty. I like it. A couple of juicy, couple of juicy booty boys, you know. Juicy booted boys. Guys, a couple of juicy booty boys. That does sort of make it seem like it's, it makes it seem like, you know, we might,

we might be gay. It does make it seem like it might be like, or it might be like that might be the topic. That's in style these days. Hey, listen, I mean, I'm by, so I don't, I have less of a problem than you about it, I'm sure. But yeah, juicy bottom boys, I just think it doesn't really, like people would come expecting, how I'm thinking about it. They would get some. all right. They would get some of what they were looking for, unfortunately, on every episode,

but they would get enough of it. And they'd get hooked on the humor, of course. Yeah. Yeah. What's the, this is great. This is some, I got some ag guys getting really creative for you too. I did real quick, before, I had a guy's thing that I wanted to bring up, if that's okay, because I feel like, this felt important to tell both of, both of you, because recently we, on my podcast, did an episode about Guy Falks Day. You're familiar with Guy Fawkes? I think we all know that. V for Vandetta. I know his mask.

Yeah, V from Van Dada. V from Vandetta. V from Vandetta. This is a thing that happens every year in the UK, they do bonfire night because Guy Fawkes was part of the plots to blow up parliament. And what I found out recently is that the word guys, as we use it today, comes from him. Ooh. So we're revolutionaries, really.

still political. It's still so left wing. Polatical? And I just realize also. This guy's become so, he's become, listen to all of you fans of street fight, this guy has become so un-a-political. He can't even say the word anymore. He literally doesn't know what to say. He says it political now because he's like so out of touch.

Guys. And I want to be clear here, Jim Brewer is the guy that said V from Vandetta. Yeah, that's where we got that from. That's where he got that from. Yeah, he said it. He said it. I just don't want, because I said, I said, I said,

political right after it. So it sounds like I'm just fucking really messing up. But no, I only messed up once that time, and that's palatical. What's the plot line for your TV show about marketing? Hmm. So some marketers is going to tell you what their TV show about marketing would be.

Was this before or after? This is after. This is a year ago. Okay. This is it modern? Yeah. I don't think you're going to, like these shows.

These aren't the type of shows you're going to like. I'm a big fan of television. You know, I'm watching a lowdown. I love Lodown. Yeah. So, I mean,

I'm into television. Watching hijack. What's that? Idris Elba on an airplane that's getting hijacked. And then I'm also watching the last frontier, which is my big recommendation. Hijack is an old one, right? Yeah,

yeah, yeah. But the last one here is my big recommendation. Got it from Gabris. He texted me when I got home. I was like, you got to watch this fucking last frontier. And I looked and I was like, I'd have bad reviews. But then I watched it.

I was like, it was the best show in the world. What is it? What is it about? So a plane full of the most dangerous criminals in the world crashes in Fairbanks, Alaska. Yeah, I was going to watch that as well. It's awesome. It's awesome. It's all that has bad reviews.

Okay, I'm going to watch it now. It's awesome. So anyway, this guy goes, it's a story of a brand that became world famous company selling a hero product that the secret sauce of their growth was various marketing tactics. They used at different stages of their business growth. this is my least favorite guy in the entire world I just I just need everybody to know this is I am so

I have to say I like these this kind of like this kind of movie you know like the maybe the maybe the Blackberry one did it did it all right but like the McDonald's movie you know like the story of like the brands I feel like such a like an American thing to be like

the success story of this particular brand and we're going to sort of sell this as like, you know, a hopeful tale. I hate that shit so fucking much. I think the only, I agree with you 100% there's like the, I think the only, um, good version of that was I think we can

all agree was the Pop-Tart movie Jerry Seinfeld. What about the other? There's another one that's so bad. Are you kidding me? That was insane, man. I watched that movie. It was fucking insane. Jerry Seinfeld was like, I don't know. He didn't seem to even be, and he wasn't didn't seem to know he was in a movie or whatever that he was he was just kind of

doing his jerry of side stuff the hot cheetos one yeah i watched i've watched them all i've seen him all i'm like these things are like Pokemon for me i've the tetris one the dyke one i mean i'm i'm obsessed with them but i hate them afterwards this guy goes this guy goes the league but it's a p p pc agency so i looked up what a p pc agency is and it's pay per click The league is about fantasy football. So what this is, so people are in pay per click league? No, they're in an agency. But the league is about a, is about a, is about a, like we just said, a group of friends.

Okay, but where, where, how is it like the league? The league is very specifically, they're not co-workers in the league. No, they don't, they don't live together and. Honestly, they're playing against each other. They're competitive. It's not really a working together in an office thing. So this person just kind of wants... I see.

Yes, they want like Jason Manzukas comes in every now and then with a fucking crazy-ass line or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But essentially they wanted to be like their job that they probably work at a paper click thing or whatever, right? Well, he does get a little help. This is actually something I'd watch at an element of a rival. brand agency that they constantly shit on and I can see it. That's a conflict.

That's great. Conflict. I can see that. It's total, right? Like, that's the league, the office is what you should say. But they didn't say that.

Like John Lajois, right? He's in the league. I don't know who's in the league. He plays a guy named Taco. He plays a guy named Taco. Oh, the 9-11 guy. Steve Radiziz who lied about being a 9-11. He's in it.

He's sitting on that set just being like, I was in 9-11. Yeah. That's all he talked about. You can tell every scene that's like, they've just heard a story about 9-11 from Steve Redizzi's. You can sort of feel it. It's just all it is is I was in 9-11. Holy fuck, man.

I was in 9-11. And by the way, not in the planes. That's what you'd always say. I wasn't one of the 19. hijackers. This guy goes, an agency, this is so specific that I think it's just something to happen to this guy, I think, maybe. An agency close to bankruptcy lands a client who is an ultra-wealthy individual with just the worst business idea imaginable. Finding accidental success in their approach, they find new doorways unlocked to the wealthy friends and business owners of the client

discover a lot of them are dumber than they appear to be. They navigate keeping the business afloat while trying to find any kind of purpose in their job. reply from the OP. That's really fucking good. No, it's a great idea. You're the cool marketer and all your clients just suck, man. I mean, that's so relatable, is it not? Everyone can relate to that.

The main character is always in sunglasses, like 100% of the time. He's ripping off the rich guy's friends. Is that the idea? Yeah, I think it's that the rich guys, which by the way, these guys don't believe this, that they're like, rich guys sometimes can be stupid. I think that's kind of part of the conceit where it's like sometimes rich guys are actually not that smart. And then he's like, their friends will come in and they'll all have bad ideas.

And then they'll do advertising and be successful at it is what I believe is going on here. Again, like a lot of the posts, it is for me very, very unclear. Right. This guy goes, it's a sitcom about an agency owner who runs a decent, small agency but can't really get ahead due to several comical reasons i figured you two are funny so i'm going to read you some comical reasons here this could work okay can we add our own as well if we have ideas if we have if we ever if like charlotte and i have ideas for comical reasons can we add them his clients hire him and pay him well to essentially ignore all of his marketing advice

and then blame them when their ideas don't work Okay, so I'm waiting for the first comical idea. That's comical. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I missed that. He's like, oh, look at my big paycheck. And then he's like, why don't we try this Delta ad where the balls are wings and are like, no way, no thanks.

And then boom, he's just like, uh, and they're like, it didn't work. And he's like, well, you should have done it. That his business is not working is he's getting paid well? He's getting paid well, but they don't take any up. It's such a specific. guy at a job premise. It's a guy that works at a place and he's like, wouldn't it be funny if a guy got a paycheck and none of his ideas get through?

And then when they don't get through, he gets blamed for it because it is literally what happened to the guy. It's what I think happened, you know? I can make this show funny. Okay. So same premise exactly, but the rich guy with the ideas, Shirt off Burt Kreischer.

First of all, we're on a different show. What? We're on a different show. What do you mean? This is a different show. What shows this? This is a sitcom about an agency owner who runs a decent small agency but can't really get ahead due to several comical reasons.

Yeah, that's the. And then before this was the Burke Kreischer one. Okay. The ultra wealthy individual, which he is. Yeah. Yeah. Chryscher could do it. I mean, like that's the thing about some of these ideas is you,

got to consider comic actors in there doing them and saying their comedy jokes and saying making the scenes funny and stuff like that got throw david lucas in there david lucas is in there he's doing some jokes he got on twitter sorry that's a kill tony reference brian and i have brian's become a big kill tony guy i used to be now brian's big into kill tony i don't i've never watched a kill tony but I do know everything that happens around it. Yeah. Do I say I don't know what this is and ask you to explain it to me or do I pretend to know what this is so we can move on? It's just a bad show with Tony Hinchcliffe hosting Open Mickemeek Comedians.

It's like a live podcast. It's being mean. Gotcha. It's a show about being mean to people. The next part of this guy's several comical reasons. Number two and the several comical reason, he has a curmudgeon creative director partner who just won't get on board. He expects his work handed to him on a platter and won't accept that AI and Canva and fast fashion creative are the ways of the future. He also blames any failings

in the agency on the owner. Yet another specific problem for a guy at a job. No, I love this a comaginally guy who doesn't like AI. It's like anti-CANVA. Yeah, this is this is my guy that I'm relating to in the show for sure. That's true. It is funny to be like he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. guy and a curmudgeon, he hates AI. Yeah. I don't know how you could be much of a worse guy. He's constantly interrupted with this is another such a specific thing. He's constantly interrupted with day-to-day client and staff technical emergencies that take

him away from training and educating himself on new marketing efforts. Oh my God. God, I would love to see that scene. You know? Literally hilarious. One per episode. That's so funny. I think it should be one scene of this per episode.

Yeah, it should be a runner. It should be a runner. I don't know. It should be a running, running game. Each of these is its own episode. Oh, okay. 100%. And then it's what it is is.

So you get your first episode that's about the ideas, him getting blamed for ideas. And then the next episode is the curmudgeon. And they loop back around, right? So like after the four episodes, then it goes back to the first thing. the first comical thing and it's like you could do like 25 episodes of this show which is a lot

in the UK that's enough for a whole not in America America they do hundreds of episodes but in the UK that's like that's a long running series this guy his final one we're doing an episode about spaced soon so I've been re-watching that which is great

and just the fact that I'm able to watch the entire show in two days because it is the whole thing is 14th episodes and they're 25 minutes long. It's so nice. Anyway, I appreciate that. It's one of the things I truly, yeah,

I really appreciate it as well. And I know it's like, hey, it's great if you love a show to have a lot of it. But that's one thing I really love about, you know, UK television is it'll be like eight episodes and then it's done.

And then the creator goes and does a new project and does a new thing with new characters. I, I prefer that. Finally, this last one, this one's really one of the more comical parts. Okay.

You guys, YouTube. will love this. His energetic and lovely wife is always asking him to make more money, all while ask him to travel and go out with her in the family rather than focus on his business. So the sort of the idea is like she wants him to make more money, but at the same time work less. So there's that kind of like, I got you. I wish you'd make more money instead of take it.

And also travel, you know what I mean? A wife's always nagging you about traveling too. Yeah. Like Brian, you probably- Yeah. Brian probably experiences that every now and then because you travel a lot, right? But although you go with your wife almost all the time, right? I try to.

I try. By the way. By the way, I just want to say this on this. Katie does this now. My wife will every once in a while, be like, you should do your catchphrase. I try. And she said it like five times in the past week. Oh, shout out to game.

Oh, that's so good. I went. Yeah. I went to LinkedIn. It's been a long time. People have asked what happened to David the shark. Well, he turned into a Christian nationalist. And there used to be a guy we'd cover a lot of that he would talk in funny shark

lingo like he did his posts on LinkedIn, but he would pretend like he was a shark. And sometimes it would be sort of confusing. It's like, does this guy really think? he's a shark or like where does it end and where is it sort of but yeah he did he disappeared off the show because yeah he went nuts

like in a different way he went off crazy by the way yeah well you don't say still a shock though you don't say Brian the guy who had post lengthy diatribes pretending to be a shark on linkton was a little bit on mostly women's posts

by the way like 90 He's like, hey, David the shark here. I'm swimming around in this guppy and eating some food or whatever. You know, I got a- Swimming around in this coffee. I didn't come up with anything. Eating some food. All right, here's some of my, uh, here's some more of my.

A guppy is a fish, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was a mistake. I bet eating guppies. That was a mistake. if he could have picked another word that's not guppy about where a shark could be swimming around any other word charlotte any other word in the whole entire world would be great i guess yeah a guppy is really small yeah a guppy could never swim in a shark but not my first yeah all right

here's some guys here's some guys uh uh you know guys a podcast about guys 90 percent every erotic 10% funny. Yeah, that's, that one is pretty, pretty good. That's good. Let me give you this one. Guys, women can listen to. Yeah, that's actually a good one as well. That's an important.

People do ask that a lot. Like, are women allowed to listen to the show? And yeah, they are. So that's a good one. That gets sort of, yeah, that's huge. I've listened personally. Yeah, here's one for Patreon. I run the Instagram.

I see, you know, people send messages. Definitely we have a, we have a pretty wide variety of listeners. Like, it's not all guys, surprisingly. Well, that's one of my other. Can you get the demographic data? I don't know. Well, I think probably normal people could. We can't definitely.

We don't know what's going on with anything. So here's one here. This is another one kind of like that. It's about guys, not for guys. Yeah. Yeah, that's a little, but that's a little confident. That's a little like you're in. idiot why did you think that kind of and finally guys patreon your number one source for penis sleeve

reviews yeah you can't think of a better place to get penis sleep reviews it is it is you could listen to the episode of what's all this then the brain came on because we did talk about penis sleeves up there i think that's all i talk about yeah some other sources are any podcast brian has appeared on uh i went and looked up some books on brain branding on Amazon. And this book's called 1 million followers. How I Built a Massive Social Following in 30 Days by Brendan Kane. So this guy built, he got a million followers, not on Twitter on Instagram.

My guess is that the way he got him was either he bought them or the other option he follows a million people. Who knows? Who knows? There's people who accumulate a million followers in an honest way. Usually not the type of people that write books about it. but it can possibly happen. I bet this type of thing is probably very popular nowadays. This guy gave it one star.

And when you hear why, I don't think it, he does not like the book, but there's a part at the end of the review where you're like, oh, he's mad about something else. He goes, from the title, I expected to be shown what he did in the 30 day process starting at day one, then day two, then day three. So he's writing the book, by the way. He's like, there should be 30. chapters in this book and each one should be a day.

I think he's right. I think that's correct. That would be the worst book in the world. That's what I want to see. I want to see a day by day rundown and I want to hear what he's up to. I don't want to hear only, you know, applicable. I want to hear everything he's doing in his day, what he's eating. I want to hear like when he masturbates.

How he feels about like an interaction he had with somebody at the store. He goes, not only. Match that in your real life. You've got to do absolutely everything down to the letter. How do I find someone to have bad interaction with right now? How can I start a wink and then not manage to come because that's what he did that day? Yeah. Okay.

Reading the book and just being like getting to a part where he's like, he's like going to a sex club and you're like, oh no. And he's a single guy. He's like, I'm 12 days in. He goes, I'm at a sex club and they're charging me. tripled to get in. And they're making me stand in a pin with a bunch of other single guys. Yeah. God, I hope I'm picked.

Day three. Ask an influencer to repost one of your posts. Not only did we never find that out, but it was all about bits and pieces of what other people already famous or successful kind of did in their impressive results, of course. The book can be summed up in one sentence. Do a lot of testing. You know what marketers do for a little. living, trade with accounts that have more influence than you. Don't be afraid to do a lot of work.

Throw money at it and be really creative somehow for whatever it is that you yawn do kind of irrelevant. Here he goes now. Should have tipped me off when he said the Blair Witch ad campaign had a great hook. I remember being sucked into that and following the hype. They flat out lied for months about it being a real story. I was so just... Oh. The person fell for the flare away. I mean, I guess I'm trying to think.

I was like a child when it came out, I feel like, and I still kind of... We saw it twice. Had an understanding. I thought it was cool. I was like into the whole idea behind it, but I don't, I don't think even as a child, I was like, oh, shit, this is real. I think there was a thought, oh, this could be. real, but there was also the word out that it wasn't. And also when you see it, you're like,

I don't think this is real. And also the common sense. There's a thing as a witch. It's a bit of a common sense thing as well, right? To say that like this is not, it's not how a piece of footage like this, if it were real, would be put out into the world. You know, it would not have this type of marketing around it or whatever. And they put out in theaters or whatever. I was so disappointed that to this day, I never want anything to do with the Blair Witch or anything that so much as smells like it ever again to include this shameless 200 plus page ad for his website. So really, it's just kind of mad about the Blair Witch project still.

He's enjoying the book all the way through and then he gets near the end and then it's just like he sees the mention of the Blair Witch and he starts having these like horrible flashbacks of embarrassment. And yeah, that's, I think it just ruined the book for him. He took a date. Yeah. It was like, this is real.

I realized that the Blair Witch wasn't real. Maybe when he's reading this book, maybe. Now he knows for sure. This guy said wrestling is good, and I come to find out later, I really loved it. Come to find out later, it's fake. Yeah. It's like, what the hell, dude? Apparently, the guy easily could have gotten out of the headlock around the seven-minute mark, and yet he stated it.

I haven't said this on the show. I did get like some stuff in the mail, a grease man record. Oh, in the PO box. In the PO box. Yeah. But I also got, I'm not going to be able to find it right now. I got a Bob and Tom shirt. Yeah, you showed it to me.

For the local crew signed by Bob and Tom. Yeah, Bob and Tom signed. They're Shock Jocks who do appear on Shocktober this year on the final episode. So check out Shocktober. on the Patreon. But the thing I got that was directed at Chris is the glory days of wrestling. Yeah. With Haystacks Calhoun.

Oh, I love. Haystacks is on there? Oh, I used to love Haystacks matches. Honestly, the good thing about a Haystacks match was you could go watch a film in the middle, come back and he's still doing it, you know? Big, huge guy. Jerry Lawler and Killer Brooks. Oh, yeah.

Jerry the King. I mean, Jerry the King, he was, he ran one of the territories, right? Like the Memphis. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. It's a. So, yeah. And it's got double extra features on it.

One is wrestling. It's a laugh. It also has Tony Galado versus Natty Brown. Oh, yeah. Galado Brown. That's a classic. Maybe I'll get this on. I'll get this on the thing and we'll watch it on stream.

Yeah, yeah. I would love to watch some of this. I would love to know what wrestling. It's a laugh is. personally. I would love to see that. It's probably bloopers, because back in the day. It's bloopers. Yeah. Yeah. That's bluepers.

Oh, people loved bloopers. I, my dad would get Sports Illustrated. By the way, he wouldn't let me read it on the toilet until he read it. Okay. He'd be like, did somebody read Sports Illustrated already? I'd be like, yes, it was here. You're like, you know, don't even look at it. My dad got Sports Illustrated as well.

That's crazy. Both of our dads had Sports Illustrated. Sports Illustrated that we read. That's cool. But you would get a DVD or a VHS of bloopers. And I would watch that fucking every day. Like, look, this baseball player, you know, missed it or he got hitting a nuts or something like that.

I loved it. Oh, great. Yeah, the bloopers were huge. I just want to say, as well, the first photo we ever took together, I'm wearing a Sports Illustrated sweatshirt that I got. My dad got from ordering Sports Illustrated in the mail. So they would give you all kind of cool gifts from sports. illustrated so Alex from LinkedIn he's a social media trainer he's going to help us out this is the first

LinkedIn in in probably years now we haven't done a LinkedIn type episode in a long time yeah productivity sales that kind of thing this is this guy I love this this guy this is copy pasta I think he goes marketing is the one thing that allows you to build what you do marketing is the reason you choose your dream home marketing is the reason you picked your website venue. Marketing is the reason you booked that spa day with your best friends. Marketing is the reason you booked the best holiday of your life. We get it, man. We all know that marketing can be used for bad stuff like cigarettes, pyramid selling schemes and warp views, etc. But overall, marketing is behind so many other great things we do in

life and work. Thoughts? Well, I'm tearing up. I mean, I never thought about marketing that way before. It's really a part of my life in a way I hadn't I never really considered I never considered it every time I drive across a bridge that's because of marketing right am I doing it right I'm not sure I totally understand Do you check books out at the library? I did I checked out of John Belushi biography and never returned it and I still still to this day owe money to the bank for public library that's marketing That's marketing because of this marketing

Saturday Night Live that marketed John Belushi to me, definitely. One thing I love about marketing is when commercials come on and it's got the little counter in the corner and it says four minutes. And you're like, I'm going to die in that time. I can't handle this. Yeah, I am. That's marketing. On YouTube, I pay for YouTube premium so that I don't have the ads because, yeah, I can't handle it. And but yeah, if I said that as well.

I don't know Twitch Turbo, but that is, I assume, just no ads, right? I haven't seen an ad. I have not seen an ad on any of my apps. And by the way, very known for having apps. Yeah, we, we, we, uh, we, I, I hate anything I think more than if it's a one minute ad, I'll do a 30 second ad like before watching something or whatever. But if it's a one minute ad, like I see that. I am not watching it.

Like, I'm out of there. That's a failure of marketing. That's not marketing failure and not recognizing that, guess what, in today's day and age, you ain't getting away with a one minute ad before like a two minute video or whatever. You're going to have to start with like some real rough or some sex or something like that to get me to stick through. Like if you're getting a minute ad in the first 10 seconds is like, porno, you're going to pay attention to the next 10 seconds. I don't think they can put pornoes in ads.

And that's where you got to get creative. Mm-hmm. Like you're talking about like a donut and then a weener, like a hot dog weaner is going into the donut or something like that. What if the first 20 seconds was a snuff film? Okay. I don't think they could do that either. You're not going to tune out of that. I am.

I probably would too. Yeah. I'm trying to turn that off. Yeah, that's an interesting. That's an interesting. You think a snuff film would be a good way to market something. Maybe depending on what it is, if it's like guns or whatever. Yeah, it's a clock or something like.

Clocks. We're into money. I mean, it would be more evil, but really all they need to do is just turn off the timer. Like, if I don't know how long the ads is going to be, I'm probably more likely to sit through like two or three minutes sort of expecting it's going to be less and just kind of hoping the next one will be the last one. I'll get frustrated, but I'll probably watch the whole thing, which is not good. I agree. I think that the timer, and then I wonder what the thought process is behind the timer that it's only five seconds or whatever. Like, they've done, they've tried to.

Skip ad. Yeah, the skip ad thing or whatever. Yeah, I don't know that. They've figured out, I guess, or they think they've figured out that it's like, it's still good for them to see like one, five seconds of it or whatever. It's still, because everyone's skipping it. So how are you as like a, as like you're sort of telling these companies like, hey, put an ad up on here and everyone is going to skip it. skip it after five seconds. I don't know about that, Chris, because I told you last time I went to my in-laws house.

Yeah. They play music on YouTube for some reason. I do too. Right. You have YouTube premium. Yeah. So when you're, it's not every two videos that you get, there's a long ad. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So they're like, the music is playing through the speakers in the house and then all of a sudden an ad will play. yes and they'll not want to yeah yeah yeah I guess that's true yeah that's true it is kind of like the radio yeah and nobody's paying enough attention mm-hmm to hit skip ad you know what I mean so I think that's what goes on a lot of times is it but then what does that do I think for the first 10 seconds of an ad you should put the Blair Witch Project and say this is 100% real mm-hmm that's a good one uh this guy goes it definitely does more good than bad how funny marketing definitely yeah the guy figured it it's like yeah it's 53 47 it does 53 good 47 bad and yeah so it's like pretty close but it definitely

is better one guy the only type of person that thinks it does more good than bad as a marketer everybody else is like it's not good yeah but again if you're selling cigarettes you know you can And this guy goes, however, with great power comes great responsibility. Spider-Man. Yeah, I'm a marketer. I'm so like Spider-Man in that way. Spider-Man. I recognize that from Spider-Man.

This guy's a genius of marketing. Next guy goes, marketing influences almost every choice we make, bigger, small. And the original poster goes, what was the last thing you did because of marketing? And then the guy never replies. which I like. This guy goes, this is the most LinkedIn post we've ever read, I think. Because it is such,

this person has to be 18 or 19 or in college. Because when you hear how they write, marketing is one of those double-edged swords. The efficacy of marketing is that advertising itself, rather than what's being advertised, the product, if you appealingly advertise poison, people buy, then people will die. If you appealingly advertise-

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You say that a line again, but you say it more like, like, say it like a song or something? Like a rap? Yeah. Yes. Well, if you're appealing advertised poison, people buy, then people will die. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. If you, I was thinking it more like slam poetry as well. If you appealingly advertise poison, people buy, then people will die. Yes. Yeah.

That's good. Then people will die. Will die. Yeah. If you appealingly, appealingly, I don't think is a good word to use here because it's very hard to say. I don't think it's a good word to use at all. It's so hard to say. Appealingly advertised solution, people will buy.

Then people will live better lives. So I think it's more so about the product, the service, the service, the offer that as opposed to marketing so just a this guy goes 100% marketing is just storytelling with consequences and most of them are good oh that's something he heard at like a workshop you know like marketing is just storytelling with consequences he's like holy fuck that's fucking good i'm gonna i'm putting that in my brain and using it a lot that's what he thought i'm gonna add and most of them are good at because that's what he says at the end and most of them are good Hey, I can't think of any bad things that marketing has done ever.

Not one. Name one. But then you have a pyramid scheme, but that's it. I'm only bringing that up because they brought it up themselves. You would have never thought of that. Yeah. Yeah. Cigarettes.

You would have never thought of cigarettes. It's called multi-level marketing. Multi-level marketing. Right. Is the term for it. And it's bad. This guy goes, um, totally agree. Marketing has been around forever just in different forms.

Egyptians promoted goods on papyrus. Robins painted ads on walls. And even the Greeks were marketing ideas in public squares. The tools have changed, but connecting people to things they care about, that's timeless. Wow. The Egyptians? The Egyptians? What did, like on Google, what did the Egyptians ride on?

That'd be papyrus. What did the Romans AI answer? The Egyptians wrote on papyrus. Well, that means they're doing their ads there, you know? Here's some more guys. Here's some more guys, um, slogans. Guys, a handsome podcast. Hmm.

Okay. Do you feel like you might have competition with the podcast called handsome? No. Okay. We would destroy them in handsomeness. I'll say that right now. Is there a handsome podcast? I'm looking at up.

You think, I think there probably is because Charlotte said there is. You think that we're considered to be a. I think of this is a hand. I believe Charlotte personally. I think that I don't know if we're considered a handsome podcast. No disrespect to us. I think we're like normal looking guys, but I don't think that we're like considered to be handsome.

I think so. Oh, that is a podcast by actual real comedians. And are they handsome? Who are they? who let's look them up and let's judge their physical attributes. Got me. You can make fun. I mean,

they're famous. Oh, they're, okay, these are, extremely famous, yeah, extremely famous and extremely hilarious and great comedians.

And honestly, quite handsome as well. Yeah, I mean, May Martin is unfortunately, it's one of the most attractive people on the planet. So, yeah,

it's May Martin, just for everyone, it's, uh, Fortune Feimster, May Martin, and Tignitar. Okay, so I thought that was Tignitaro.

That is Tignitaro in the middle, yeah. So, okay, that's not going to work for us, but this one will. There's not a pot. Hachimachi, it's guys. You like that? Hachimachi is like, that is kind of one of the things. We're kind of, it's one of the, we like the phrases like, uh, babes. They're like babe phrases from chive guys in the comments or whatever.

We just like, the ones that we imagine and that we've read where they just see a hot babe and they're just like hachi-machi you know they're just like getting all excited by it i do like i see stars around the word guys but like based on the what what you said it as well it's guys you know you need like hands on either side of of guys as well sparkles you know yeah that one feels a it feels a it feels a little old-timey but in a good way yeah yeah i like yeah this one's good too this is old-timey guys it's modern hmm hmm i kind of like that too Thank you. Thank you. These are the ones that are so like,

like those are the ones that are actually sick, like the marketing people like. Oh, then you're not going to like this next one. Okay. Guys, Patreon. It's cheaper than the delicious magic spoon cereal. Okay. How expensive is that?

You ever had magic spoon before Charlotte? God, we got to stop bringing it up. This is going to be like two out of the last three episodes. Did it on purpose. I know. I know. Magic spoon is the worst cereal ever. And if it's like it's known to be the most disgusting cereal ever. And Brian was doing free ads for it for a long time on the podcast. On accident, not on purpose. I'm just trying to guess. Does it come with a special spoon that changes color when you eat? No. No. It doesn't have a special spoon. Yeah. It doesn't have anything cool like that. It's it's protein cereal and it's just disgusting. It's just gross. I'll show it to you. I have a special magic spoon. spoon. Oh, you do? I fucking, yes, I do.

Okay, go get it. Go get it. I'd love to see it. He's going to get it now. I, uh, the protein cereals, I do have a bone to pick with those, though, because I got one of those recently and it was like 18 grams of protein on the box, and I was like, this is so exciting

for my new cereal, but that's only if you include whole milk in, like, it doesn't, like the actual protein in the cereal was like maybe like five grams. And And I did the measurement as well. That doesn't seem. It seems like illegal.

It was so much whole milk that needed to go. And like based on the recommended. That's a, that's a crazy spoon. Marketing. It's like, it's like a cool kind of it's, what's the like, it's like you'd see a car painted that color maybe where it goes from like purple to green.

It's like you'd see a cyber truck painted that color. Yeah. You'd see a, I actually, if you go to the guy's Instagram, I took a photograph in front of a cyber truck that's painted that way. I think it was my cyber truck that I bought. Here's a question from Quora. Why is podcast marketing on the rise? I thought we could use some help here. Podcasts are the modern successor to the radio.

And a marketer would have to be blind not to take advantage of the mediums, popularity, and potential. At the 1930s, when the radio started to gain popularity, entire families would gather around the living room. Now, this bit of information I don't think works. an entire family gathered around in the living room, a bathed in the light and warmth of the fireplace, grandma would knit,

dad would read the evening paper, mom might be patching some of the kids' clothes while they played underfoot, all the while the radio would play in the background, uniting the family in a shared experience. That's kind of how people listen to this podcast, actually. Yeah, it's known as sort of a family podcast that you put on in the study or whatever and all the kids are there.

And then the kids are kind of saying like, you know, what's a cuckold, mommy? Yeah, I remember, but it was funny, Mike Hale sent us a text recently and was like, hey, I'm listening to paranormal guys with my son. Please tell me there's not anything in it. And I was like, I don't think we got nasty. Yeah, I was like, that's actually one of our clean episodes I said because our friend, Eve, band who is that is eva on that that's ev on that one yeah i was like you know eva's like she's just so sweet and we don't usually get that nasty when she's on and then and then he's like yeah no you so he sent us back a message afterwards saying like yeah you guys got what did it

i have to look i don't remember what it is he said he said that we i mean specific the specific stuff we said i mean it was pretty par for the chorus for us but he was yeah he said it was a pretty uncomfortable time. He picked it because Eva was on and he thought, oh, that's probably and it's paranormal guys. And so it's probably an episode where I said, I just looked at the notes and unless we went off topic, which is possible, it's a clean episode. And Mike goes, it's not, but it's not a big deal. He said he's heard way worse at his discord. But I'm trying to time my coughing over the parts about ropes and the part about the guy writing the Sibian and the wheel of sex.

Yeah, we talked a lot about ropes that episode. Ghost ropes. Ghost ropes, but rope. They don't leave a mess. You know what I mean? Yeah. They're ghostrope.

Hey, I just thought of something. The things on your, you know, the plane or the rocket that's a penis and it's shooting the stuff behind it. Instead of chem trails, cum trails. That's right. And it spells the word. come trail that's what I'm saying it's like you use that in the marketing and people are like well that's kind of clever this airplane comes yeah maybe you can even do a stunt

where something cummy flies out of the back of an airplane it flies over town something like what like you mean something that seems like something that feels and smells and looks like smells and looks like smells importantly but it's not a lot of importantly but it's not mind come. Okay. We would never be able to get that much cum. Yeah. But if it flew over like the United States or something like or a city, a major city.

Mm-hmm. And it just dropped to cum out of the back. Right. So for most people, the experience would be why does it smell a bit like come today? Yes. Right. And why did, why, why did this white fluid land on my head? Mm-hmm.

What is this? What's happened to the birds? You only, you only, you only, experience come in such a small, most people, only experience coming in such small doses, right? Not me. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

But I do. When I finish, I come like a quarter cup. This guy comes like a fucking plane. I know. But you know, you know what I'm saying. That's how I have a baby. I guess then this is disgusting to think of, but I just, I can't, I don't know what a lot of come would smell like.

I wish you could come to United. A small amount of it. I wish you. you could come to the United States because I fly you here in spring and have you smell the cum trees that are they this place smells like cum all through the spring it's well known you can google it yeah I know you have mentioned that before they're the white pear white something trees and man those things start going and you're like this place it's sexy really it's a sexy town thing so here's here's what's the best way to popularize a podcast

Now, that's a marketing question we could all use. Yeah. This is the ultimate question, of course. Any hopes of monetizing a podcast are dependent on being able to create an audience. Building of an audience requires a number of practices. Of course, there's no strict path. One can take all the required steps and still fail to create a hit show. I'll give you three of the critical practices.

The successful shows always follow. Also, I'll provide my contact info so you can reach out to me and I can guide you a the way. All right, Pete. One, perseverance. Whatever your show is going to be about, there has to be enough content episode seasons for it to matter. Let's assume it takes a thousand hours of contact with 10 hours required to produce a show based on Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hours model to gather a significant audience.

There's no way to gather an audience without content, lots of it. So this guy also says it takes 10 hours to produce a new show of his podcast. 10 hours. I'm trying to think. How long do you think it takes us to produce a show of our podcast, Brian? As I've said, six per, I would say six to seven per episode. That's for you. For me.

Yeah. And then probably for you too. An hour and a half. For the episode. And then I would say about two and a half hours probably for me to edit the episode. So I would say we're talking about a 10 hour. We're about a 10 hour prep on ours as well. Charlotte, do you know how long you guys take to produce your podcast?

I know. I know Pat has a pretty, this is our producer. I know he has a pretty streamlined editing process. So I think it's probably, I think it's probably about two, two and a half hours to get the thing together. Although we do video episodes as well. So maybe it takes a bit longer for that. But then the amount of research that I do, if we can very, very wildly, I think. But I think it's probably around 10.

And maybe I'm going to say, let's say 12. Let's say I'm putting too much of it. You're around in the 10 hour club, though, with us and this guy who's posting. Very cool. I got to learn about the thing I'm talking about is the problem. That's me too. Yeah. I have to go through post after post after post.

It's like, fuck me. Next one is compete hard. Everyone in the podcast game is playing at a high level. Compete hard. This is an interesting one to me. I didn't know what. What ways could we be competing? Well, we're all playing at a higher level, is what he says.

Okay. Your good idea isn't enough. If the show isn't constantly moving forward, if you're not expanding your influence, if you're not pushing hard, you're losing to the rest of us. But what is the pushing? Got to push. Like what does that mean marketing it, I guess they're saying, like just pushing it out to people. Like, what is, like, I just don't understand.

I think the only, like, we obviously don't market our podcast at all. we don't have like uh i do i mean i guess in i go up to people on the street and be like you should listen to my podcast i think you'd really like it one time i mentioned it to a uber driver who asked me what i did i told them the name and he added on spotify that's nice so that's marketing well you you guys aren't doing the thing that i do think everybody in the podcast space does in terms of marketing which is the shorts right yeah we should do that we should do the shorts or whatever yeah we don't do any of this stuff that you're supposed to be doing but one thing we do for marketing is what we're doing right now.

This is like the thing that we do for marketing is that we have people on our show. It just happens to work out. We don't do it on purpose, but we have somebody on our show like Charlotte who has their own audience and then their audience comes and listens to it. And we're lucky enough to be able to get people to come on that have an audience and people like. So that's the way, the best way, in my opinion,

to market a podcast is to have people on who their audience will come check it out. And then if they like your podcast, then maybe they keep listening. If you're not pushing hard, you're... Go ahead. No, if you're not pushing hard, you're losing to the rest of us. Networks are constantly cross-promoting. Everyone is fighting for your audience and you're fighting for theirs.

Be relentless in your pursuit of listeners. Yeah, I disagree with that. I think that... I mean, listen, I don't know. I think, again, we're lucky in that Brian had an established audience from years of work. And I had a smaller but established audience as well. But I do think that you put out a good show. and have good people on it is the way to do it.

Finally, this one is one I firmly believe in. Chris doesn't so much, but I firmly believe in this. Number three, love your listeners. Audience members are hard to find. When you have great ones, pay attention to them. It's not enough just to put up a show and let people love you. You have to love them back. Be involved in what they pose.

Talk to them, mention them on the show. You want your audience to know you know them? You want them to become a part of your world. Be part of theirs. This will separate you from your peers. This is such a funny thing for you to say, Brian, because Brian is not, he just has zero engagement with the audience. He's not in the discord.

But I have said I will kiss them. He said he'll kiss them if they want, but like, who knows if they want that? They do. I'm just saying, I actually, I'm on, I'm in the discord. I talk to people. the Discord. I talk to people on Instagram. So I definitely engage with the audience. And we do have, I'm not just saying this. We do have a very cool and kind and nice audience. Of course, every now and then people send me messages, really hurtful messages or, you know, about me as a person and stuff. But

that's so rare. And it's mostly just funny and cool people sending like interesting stuff to us. Chris, I think this is for you. I cut this. I grabbed this post for you. Do you think humor marketing actually works? Or is it just a gimmick? That's a good question.

I guess it does work, right? It like helps an ad be memorable, which I think is like, I think of just like a humorous ad will be something that sticks around and people repeat over and over again. And that's what you kind of want. I've been noticing a trend lately. Brands like Old Spice, Pepsi, and Uber Eats are using humor in their ads more than ever. Whether it's Cabi, Lames, hilarious, TikToks, or funny commercials with celebrities, it seems like humor is everywhere in the marketing now.

But here's the big question. Does humor really help brands connect with audiences? Or is it just a gimmick to grab attention? For example, I get why humor works. It taps into our brain's reward system, making us feel good and more like, to engage, but at the same times it feels force. Does it actually lead to sales or just temporary engagement? What do you think?

Have any funny ads convinced you to buy something? Or do you feel like it's just a distraction? Curious to hear your thoughts on whether humor is a strategy that actually works. Yeah, I don't know that it would work directly in that way. And I don't know that, you know, like, you'd be like, well, that's really funny. I'm going to buy that product because it's very funny. That's how I pick products. It's the funniest ad.

Yeah, we all know that's not true. We swatch it up, baby. You know, we all know you pick a product based on which is the most expensive one. So that's not true. But yeah, I think that it's more just like I was saying, it gets people like saying it and talking about it. And then it gets it out there and it just gets it into your subconscious maybe when you're purchasing it that you see the different ones. And you're like, oh, I'm going to get that one. Like I think it's more unconscious.

Yeah. It makes an edge like vaguely. okay to experience as well, which is maybe the same thing. You know, if you can actually, I mean, but then, but actually I'm going to go back on myself because I do feel like when I laugh at an ad, I do hate myself for it. I do too. It makes me feel bad. This guy does say definitely works.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. It makes me feel bad to laugh at an ad no matter what. Like, even if it's really funny, I don't like the feeling of liking it. You know, it's a bad feeling. This guy goes, definitely work. because I'm glad more brands are doing it.

I can actually stand to watch some of their advertisements now. Yeah, see, that's what you're saying. I mean, that is the reality of it. It's like, oh, fucking, this ad sucks so much, but it changes that experience a little bit, maybe. Like, this guy goes, like, I've been watching Dr. Pepper commercials and I don't understand anything from them, nor do I laugh.

Neither I have any fun in that activity. However, humor with objective messaging could make an impact, but humor with absurdity, we usually get, I like Wendy's marketing because it's funny. But again, not shareable. So I don't know what that means because this guy, but this guy does respond to that. And he goes, I always think a Wendy's Twitter account from a few years ago, it was on fire. Oh, my God.

When they would get into the Flame Wars with like the freaking Cheetos account and it's just like, oh, holy shit. I would honestly, no. Take me back to that time. please. Well, this guy replies. Simple time. Let me help you because this guy replies and goes, have you seen Nutter Butters Instagram?

Oh, okay. Thank you. I've been needing something like this. Let me check it out. Imagine typing that sentence into the box. Have you seen Nutter Butter's Instagram? It's fucking crazy. This guy goes,

So I'm, I am, I'm on Nutter Butter Instagram. And the first post I said, see here is it says well-oiled machine and I think it's their nutter-butters I don't know them but I think it's a photo of nutter-butters and then

oh my God oh my God it's just the worst account I've ever seen nutter butter there's just one that says I love you and it's a bunch of nutter-butters with teeth on them like that's

listen that is actually one of Yeah, that's one of mine. Like, one of... This is, this is, so there's one now where they like, the nutter butters are making up a city and it says hello. And then it just has a sign that says G-Nute City with two Ys. So yeah, does it have one that says nutter butter? It's six, seven.

It's kind of there. We're looking at it's like they're going brain rot mode. The nutter butters are on brain rot mode on their... Yeah, they're going brain raw. Definitely. They're going, I feel like it's like a little bit of an older aesthetic that they're doing that isn't as popular now. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's sort of coming back in that way.

But yeah, it's a, listen, they've definitely hired somebody who's and told them just go wild on that thing. Guys, it's a huge fan of the nutter butter. What does that one say, Charlotte? What does it say? Maybe they can't ignore you. and then it's a sexy nutter butter. But then there's no eyes on the on the nutter butter, but just a big nose and then luscious lips.

And I think that nutter butter is maybe taking a selfie as well. First reply. First reply, this means something to me from the Sour Patch Kids Instagram. Mm-hmm. It's pretty good. So Sour Patch Kids got in there, which is great. So Sour Patch Kids replied to a Nutter Butter post saying, this means something to me?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. The brands are still at it. They're doing it, it seems like. What was it? There was that whole like silence brand or whatever, that whole thing where everyone was just kind of like had enough of that shit, right? Everyone's like, fuck off with this. But they're back doing it still. Not some marketing, guys.

They didn't. They love it. This guy goes, yeah, I rewatch Michael Sarah's Sarave commercial like once a week because it's so silly and clever. Jokes on them though, because I already used sarabi. I watch a commercial a few times a week I go back and watch this commercial I saw How do you even You had to record it

I think you have all the commercials on YouTube But then you have You have to have a feeling in your heart When you type Michael Sarah Sarave commercial Into YouTube Or you just go to your bookmarks I mean it might maybe it's in your bookmarks

You don't have to click You have to type it Watching it and going well this can't get me because I already bought the product. So I'm better than this commercial, actually. It has no power over me anymore. I just enjoy it. That must be such a powerful feeling to be watching a commercial,

knowing it has absolutely no power over you whatsoever, that you're like completely immune to all of its messages and you can just fucking appreciate Sarah's awkward comedy. You know, he's like, what the hell is going on? I love that, guys. I do like Michael Sarah a lot. There is his commercial the commercial has 1.1 million views. Uh, so I thought it would have to put that on our YouTube channel.

Can we watch it? Can we watch it? I would love to see it. Yeah, why not? We, we, we watch stuff on here. Sarah, Vey. You get it? That's what we're getting here.

Right. Oh, it's a pretty new one? One year. Okay. This is from a YouTube, if you're looking for it, Sarah Stan 998. I'm Michael. And I'm pleased to announce that this is my cream. Sarah V.

Okay. Oh, I get it. I get it. Because that was already around that brand. Yeah. Yes. And they got Michael Sarah to be the thing because he's saying it's his brand. Like he's sort of playing it up.

Like this is mine. And this guy when he's just, and when this guy's watching it every time, he's like, it is his last name. It's his last name. It's his last name. I'm slapping that download button. It's his last.

name. I mean, I want to be able to watch this on repeat on the treadmill. I want to watch this all day. This is it. Gives you power. You want me to hit play more again? Just one more time, hit play. You didn't know? Generosity. The truth has been hiding in plain sight. I am Sarah V. Can human skin truly be this moisturized? Yeah, I don't watch this.

Yeah, jokes, I already use the stuff anyways. Yeah, we already bought it. Sounds fine. I have already bought it. It didn't. Yeah, you guys might think that that worked on me, but it didn't work on me. Yeah, no. Not a chance.

Guy goes, it definitely does. And the more people relate to it, the more publicity and credibility you'll get as a brand as people share it. Though, of course, the humor intended must be well thought out. Otherwise, it can have unintended consequences. Cancel culture for brands is still a big thing nowadays. Oh yeah, if you're jokes, if you're trying to do humor, but you accidentally do racism, then you can be in trouble. It can happen.

This guy goes, the brands you listed are big. They have big budgets. They try to stay top of mind. There's a time and place for top of mind. Humor is easier done with top of mind budget. However, that doesn't mean it won't work for lower funnel or smaller budget. Some small businesses have a bit of. He's talking in the talk, lower funnel and stuff like that.

he wants you to know that he's like he knows about this stuff this guy goes i work with comedians have you worked with neo bg neoblog i have i have i have not i have not tread in i've not tread in some time though he could be a newer guy i was sort of when i was doing it it was like wasn't really about the internet marketing it was about getting out there on the grind and on the road basically yeah he goes uh it works seeing as high as 500 percent more engagement in 80 to 90% higher conversion rates. Straight up numbers don't lie. Yeah.

And then finally this guy's, do you run the risk of turning your brand into a joke? I mean, listen, listen, it depends on what the type of product is. But I guess, I mean, I guess that is a valid question. If it's like you start making all these silly ads

and people see you as this like silly kind of product, but you're not meant to be, it could turn your company into a bit of a joke. I think Old Spice is a bit of a joke to me. actually. Yeah. To know. I'm not using it.

It's a bit silly. I'm not crap. It's too funny. I don't use it anymore. I use Every Man Jack now and that's true. I used to use Old Spite. I don't know if this is actually, I don't think I was like subconsciously turned off by the humor of Old Spice, but I did used to use Old Spice and I stopped when they did the humorous

commercials and I moved over and I use Every Man Jack now. Chris is like, this used to be a fucking serious thing. You know what? And I don't. I don't, hey, it's for me, my perspiration, my odor, it's not a fucking joke and it's not a punchline. Finally, we got marketing for dummies. I got a couple more book reviews and we're done. Marketing for dummies, this is a two-star review from Corey, has some good content, but it's needlessly political.

Pushes. Marketing for dummies is too political for you. might not be able to exist in the world. You need a palatical version. Pushes controversial things like environmental social governance as the default includes typical progressive talking points as though everyone agrees and it's a foregone conclusion instead of a hotly contested issue in society. A shame because it's otherwise well written and has some decent advice.

So really enjoyed the book and there was like one line in there that he deemed to be like woke or whatever. And finally, this book is called This Is Marketing. You can't be seen until you learn to see by Seth Godin. This is a shorter review, but I think it's good. Complete disappointment one sir. The author's digital marketing credentials seem promising, but his writing showed a lack of marketing experience.

He was trying too hard to sound savvy and relevant. This next line hit me so good. He goes, any referred to Amazon followers as knuckleheads for no valid reason? I stopped reading and do not recommend this book. Do he close the book? No, I'm not a fucking knucklehead. I'm a knucklehead. Well, I guess you just lost my traffic there.

Amazon followers as well? Yeah. I think people who like Amazon, I think, like Amazon, I think, just like people who are, like Amazon, I think, just like people who like, yeah, like not their actual followers on social media. I didn't take it that way. Like just as like, yeah, people who shop it on Amazon a lot. I was purposely called a knucklehead and I don't put up with that kind of guff. No, I mean, honestly, I don't have to take that.

I can stand up for myself. And if you're going to speak to me that way, then I'm going to end the conversation. And he closes the book and he walks away. Goes out to the kitchen table, sits down with his wife. And she's like, he's like, this book called me a, knucklehead. It's disgusting. The book was being very unfair to me. No, I won't. I know I won't be reading any more of it. It's not a friendly book. I'm not going to let you read it either. You're not going to read a book that called your husband a knucklehead. No. I'm sorry. Oh, all of a sudden now you want to

read the book? Like, it's like you're saying it's okay what the book said to me or something. If you're going to read a book that called me a knucklehead, maybe it's time divorce. Yeah. I'm not a knucklehead. I'm a smart head. Divorce. I would like to have a divorce from you, but is there any way that we could still, just for sex club purposes, keep this relationship public? Finally, this is our last guys thing. Slogan, guys, it's safe for work.

That one is a lie. But people might listen. Right. At work. But I don't think people, I don't think there's a lot of people out loud listening at work. I think that that would be considered rude no matter what the podcast is. I mean, it depends. If you're like, yeah, I mean, maybe if you're out like a garage or something and you're,

maybe you're playing something like you would have the radio on or at a construction site or something like that. I could see that. Perfect show for that. All right. Well, thank you for doing the show, Charlotte. Hey, thanks for having me. Tell people where to find you. Well, the main thing to

I listen to you right now is my podcast that I do with my friend Lippy Watson. Brian, you came on for an episode recently. We talked about dogging, the British pastime of outside sex. Chris, you're familiar with dogging? Oh, are you kidding? I'm doing it all the time.

I'm so familiar with it. I've talked about it on this show before. I've watched dogging pornography before. Like, it was never like my pornography of choice, my POC using it. the term POC to mean pornography of choice. But I was familiar with it when we brought it up. It was like covered on the show and I remembered what like years ago seeing it and being like it was the only sort of pornography I ever watched where I was like this is pretty fucking funny.

It's good. Like yeah, there was something about it. It was like and to me it was that they were British guys. It's like, oh, I love you. Oh, I love it. You know, they're doing the sex talk, but they're saying. it in British voices, you know. I told them on the show.

Yeah, they do say it in British voices in Britain, which is very funny, obviously. Yeah, to me, it's the funniest thing ever to hear these guys, and they're out in a parking lot, and it's all dark, you know, and it's a wild scene. If you've never checked out dogging pornography, I would really recommend at least giving it one watch, you know? And yeah, if you just at least dogging curious, then you can listen to that episode at the podcast, What's All This Then? But that's the main one.

I'm on Twitch as well. cool like on there. But it's all, I mean, these days, it's all about the podcasting, right, guys? Well, yeah, and I appreciate you. You marketed that well as you say, oh, the podcast is the most important. I'm also on Twitch. That was sort of a little, like, heavy duty, and then it was like secondary marketing, but you know where the bread is buttered.

It's all the podcasting these days. Exactly. TwitchCon. I mean, Twitch is, like Twitch is considered pretty bad now, too, is I don't know. I've been reading in the news, and it seems like it's considered very bad. Very good. Yeah. Very bad.

Yeah. Kind of wish the CEO of that company would resign, but it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, you know, you get to make your own little community over there, which is nice, but the broader sort of vibe on Twitch currently is, uh, it's quite, quite bad, unfortunately. It's quite bad. I mean, there's all this stuff I've been hearing about. And then also, you know, there's just the constant and, and disgusting, a horrible streams from the go-off kings that are not helping things.

in my opinion. It's a whole different thing, obviously. You know, they're not into like the horrible, you know, harassment and stuff, but they're just doing something that I think is just so horrible, you know. And so you go check out the Go Off Kings too if you want to see something that's like, no, honestly, go watch one of their streams. Go watch one of Charlottes and go watch one of the Go Off Kings and just be like, and then you can understand like, what the fuck are these guys doing even? Which led me to another good slogan.

Okay. Okay. Guys, it's more leftist than to go. off Kings. Yeah. There we go. That's it. That's the one. And then also we should end the podcast, but we did want to talk, Charlotte. Well, you're just, we wanted

to have a little bit of a goo crew discussion and see where the goo crew stands right now politically and if they're sort of looking for new people or how that works. You know, we have actually added a new member recently. Mattie is talking, has just joined.

Now, I've got to be honest. Who's that? Who's that? Mattie is talking What is politics? Never, I've not heard of that strange. What happened is a bunch of people from the Gou crew went to Twitchcon together

and then I guess Matty was hanging out with them and then they came back into the Goucru Discord and were like, I guess we're all on the same page writing Maddie. And I was like, well, I didn't go there so I didn't have these conversations. So I was not privy to any of this. And then Mattie just sort of joined. So it's a kind of shambles in terms

of who's getting added and you know, politics around it. Maybe because you weren't involved. Maybe because you weren't involved in the adding of Maddie, maybe you sort of say, hey, I got, I would like to nominate a couple of guys or even, honestly, even one guy. We could talk. He could just nominate one guy. I'm checking his page. And unfortunately, I mean, he doesn't seem like as much of a prominent leftist as me. So that's probably what's going on. I'm prominent leftist. They're always like,

oh, we don't do politics. It's like everything's politics, you know. Now, I have heard that people do, When you say that you are not allowed in the Goukru because it's your two lefters, I have heard that people have believed you as well, which is... I don't believe a lot of the stuff we say, Shadda. People believe a lot of the stuff we say out here, and a lot of it is not true. Yeah, we would listen, we don't need to bring... We bring it, people, you know, we talk about a lot. We've obviously been desperate to get into the GOOCrew for a number of years now,

and we don't really know what to do at this point and how to get in. were sort of yeah but we would love just a conversation and maybe maybe an audition okay i would i would love to you know we've ever done a formal audition to invite new people into the goo crew but i do think i've given the way that the last member joined and sort of the like lack of protocol around that i think we we need to invent like an audition sort of like in due process i think like lorn when you could be like lord when we drop this episode sort of the lord michaels of the goo crew I like it. Charlotte.

Lorne Michaels of the Googrew. Let's do an actual stream. When this drops, when this episode drops, I... Three weeks. Yeah. Well, whatever. It doesn't matter.

They don't know. When it's dropping right now, we're going to do a stream. We're going to do a Googrew audition stream on the Sunday stream. Twitch.tv slash not even a show. We'll do an audition for the goo crew. And then you don't even have to watch. We'll send it to you guys.

We'll send you all if sizzle reel or whatever. And then you guys can make the choice. Yes, a sizzle reel. I like that. all right well best of luck to you both thank you all right and we'll see you all next week goodbye bye bye bye