Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 170 - Classic Rock Guys 4 With Chris Wade

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

We did our annual episode about the rock and roll hall of fame with our buddy Chris Wade from Chapo Trap House and Antics Magazine. Who are the new bands that we have to be mad about being snubbed. Is Weird Al a pillar of rock? We read some horny ticketmaster reviews and Peter Hook owned one of his fans. Also, is rock political? There are still some tickets left for our live show in Toronto on 6/5 The Guysery There is more Chris at https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow Not Even a Show is back (temporarily) https://www.youtube.com/c/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST at twitch.tv/notevenashowand I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to guys, the podcast about guys. I am Brian Maiden and Mike. Co-host this week is Chris James. Yeah, I'm going by Chris Cross. And as far as I'm concerned, well, you remember Chris Cross that, do you guys remember? Oh, yes. Chris Cross is going to make you jump and everything. I remember jump around.

No, jump around's house of pain. And, but they would wear their clothes backwards. I remember going over to a friend's house in the cul-de-sac I lived on and him in all the other buddies who were slightly older than me were wearing their jeans on in reverse. I'm like, what the hell is going on here? It's Chris Cross. It's, you know Chris Cross? Yeah, you've never heard of Chris Cross.

They were like kids. They were like 13 years old. So they were like the same ages. They were a little bit older, but I was in elementary school, I think. And yeah, no, the reason I named myself that is, though, as far as I'm concerned, after seeing the people getting inducted to the Hall of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I think, well, might as well be Chris Cross, you know. I'll tell you the truth.

I'll tell you the truth. The only jump I know is by Van Halen. I went. Thank you very. I did, I went through a bit of a phase of liking that song as well. I will admit. I did when I was a little kid.

Yeah. It's a pretty catchy, catchy tune. Yeah. Maybe I don't know. Like, so Chris Wade's here. We're doing classic rock guys for you guys know we do that every year.

For today I'm, you can call me Chris division or new Chris. Yeah. He is. It says year. You have a hat on that says classic rock, which I can't believe I've never worn this for one of these before. I picked this up at the,

uh, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame years ago because I just thought they had a whole wall of hats that just had the most broad genres on them like you could just get a hat that said rap on it or something so I picked up the one that just says classic rock and you were there to tell us where to do a 9-11 to it at yes exactly I was scouting it out for our 9-11 we're going to do our 9-11 we're going to do our 9-11 we're going to do a 9-11 we're going to do a 9-11 we're going to do we're bad at it no I know we we're we're going to we We hate it and it's might as well like, listen, I, the only thing I want to do is just go in there and maybe change a couple of the signs around from rock and roll hall of fame to music hall of fame because it's not the rock and roll hall of fame anymore. Do a Trump thing. Like go in there with a big stack of like different because you know how he went around the White House and just stuck little things over the place.

Yeah. Like go go go find the Wutang Clan what just put change rock and roll hall of fame to rock roll of shame. Yes. is shame but it doesn't need to be it just needs to be changed to the music call of fame that's the big thing we've been over this a million times it's like it would be perfectly fine if it was called that but it's like you're going to say this and iron maiden's not in there you know they are in there i know that's the let me say this and that sucks that them and bad company were the two best to

get guys mad totally i was all that's the most the most angry people oros about iron maiden so the fact that they're in now i think there's a lot of people who are going to have to start spending time with their wives and stuff now. And listen, for those of you who think, oh, all hope is lost, the rock and roll hall of flame, they're letting all flame. Did you say the rock and roll hall of flame out? It's like Charlie Kirkwood, keeping the flame alive. Yes, yes, yes.

The rock and roll hall of flame sounds like something Michael Nolan would say if a gay actor could be inducted like a lamb. So that's speaking of Michael Nolan, it's good that you guys brought him up because we don't I brought him. I brought him up. Don't put that on Chris. We just, we don't just have to live in a world with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame now that we have the Mount Rock Olympus Hall of Fame. Okay. Is this the new Nolan development? He has started a competing project. Yes. Okay. Great. Wonderful. Okay. He added 77 rockers to it. Okay. He added 77 this year. I'm not sure that might I don't know I'm not big on logistics and stuff but that that seems like too many for one year you know

the ceremony seems like it's not going to be very easy I mean I mean I've heard these ceremonies are pretty tedious as is to be putting 77 people in so he made a video of himself announcing all 77 rockers to go into the rocker all of them it's perfect great yeah perfect name because he's such an idiot Like that is such a stupid fucking name for a rock and roll for a hall of favor mount rock olympus and like at first i was like is he doing like an ironic thing he's not he is serious when i when i worked at uh online uh media uh one of the best pieces of like writing advice i ever got was especially for headlines if you need to change more than one element of a phrase to make it a pun the pun is too sweaty i think it goes for this as well if you're you're completely combining more than two concepts into your mega concept you've lost the plot right because you got mount rushmore yeah you got mount olympus yes and then you got a hall of fame those are three things

olympus hall of it okay and and so it's so funny to me because this video here is 17 minutes long okay and all it is is michael announcing the bands for like the Rock Mount Olympus Hall of Fame. And his wife going, yep. So let's listen to a little bit of that. Oh, so his wife is involved in it as well. I love what he includes his wife. She's creeping in.

She's creeping in quite a bit lately. Chris, can you turn your microphone down manually slightly? Yes. Oh, I should have asked at the beginning. Sometimes it's okay. I did it right before he plays a video so that I can, it's not embarrassing at all. He knows he's a. Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. And then yeah.

Great. Thank you. What 30,000. Oh, and then I play it muted. No, it was. not muted it's not we heard no now wait you just muted it all right i can't hear it what in the fuck you can't hear it you're listening you can hear this oh yeah we can hear it loud and and clear and i will take this oh i think i can you can you pause it then over every since it's so funny that brian's like giving me shit about like hey man don't like do something to

like throw off the flow of the show and then he's now just completely this is listen chris this is very this is very very like a famous part of the show as you know now you've been on a few years in a row this is what a lot of people live for is what people tune in for they tune in they're just like what's he gonna what's you gonna flub up this year you know what i mean like there's some people who have i've heard that there's actually a mount flubmore olympus rock hall of fame I am going to, I can't unmute this tab. Let me see if I, I must have somehow muted this tab. Look Brian, having done this audio routing live through multiple streaming services, it's rough, it's rough.

You've got to right click the tab, man. You just got to right click the tab and unmute the tab. I mean, unmute tab. There you go. Where's it at? that it's not here so that's great i will just say it like already starting off from hearing one sentence of this him saying i will i will take the knowledge base of my listeners over anyone involved in the rock and all the name while he is the list he has next to him is like if you ask

the most the least rock and roll informed person yeah in the world like somebody who has only read the phrase rock and roll in a dictionary to name 13 rock bands this is probably the list that they would up with. It is the most generic list of. And I think that's like, listen, though, if you can't, if you can't respect the, um, you know, the opinion of Storm Cop 666, then if you're not taking his over like a, you know, a writer at some fucking bullshit music magazine. Yeah. And also, by the way, I want to say, though, that kind of is us as well when he's saying that because we are, of course, Brian and I went absolutely crazy when he shouted. We're like on screen. Like, because we're,

we're subscribed. Congratulations. You've made it to the big time. We are, we, we, we, we, we were on his, the end of his videos now.

They have like Brian, murder Brian and not even a show. Because we're both, we're both members of his, whatever he calls it. Yeah, the Patreon or whatever. No,

it's not the Patreon. It says YouTube. We got his members only YouTube videos because I, like, I'm always watching. Like, I just, yeah,

I like to get them, you know, earlier than, than other people do. And some of them, we get members only stuff that I don't want to, to lord this over you or whatever, Chris,

but these are stuff, you would never even have an opportunity to even hear. I'm outside. You know, as far as he goes, I'm hating from outside the club, and I should be dinged for that, you know, I'm not even, I'm not in the inner circle. I don't know the, the, the, you're not a tribal chief. And you're not a tribal chief. Let me try this video real quick.

Okay. A little too far out of the club. Well, shit. I cannot hear anything. Yeah. And Chris, Chris, you could send it to, you could send it to, um, Chris and he could share the video. Yeah, he can try to share it.

If you send him, let's just do that and you can just hit play. I appreciate you. Hold on one second. I should have said that earlier. I remember now. I didn't even know that. Pat did it. Pat Finnerty just did it, right?

Like he remember he shared stuff and he doesn't, he was just good. And this is an easy one. You can just, I can just say hit play. Yeah. You throw the links in the, in the, in the, here's the link. We'll just throw in the chat. Throw in the chat. We'll just do the one thing because it is just, I,

was going to do a running, basically it's going to be a running bit where I would just go back and watch a few more minutes. We'll go back and then watch it and then keep going. Yeah. So I'm getting the chat, private chat and there. All right. Okay, so let's make sure it works and then

we'll get back. Sorry, Chris. Chris James too. Yeah, me for having to edit all of the stuff. Sorry, man. Well, don't worry. It won't be nearly as bad as when your audio cut out and I had to piece together using a bunch of different I know I just I just unhooked the I'm on a different computer yeah and for some reason now that I'm on this computer it doesn't work okay let's see here here we go let's hear it vote yes can you hear it Chris yeah I got it too okay okay all right you just go to the beginning and I'll just say to hit play but let's just do a few posts first okay sorry so anyway yeah we got the Mount Rock Olympus Hall of Fame but I found a new sub right you're just going to try to play a

off like you're just going to try to play it up my computer's extremely fucked up Brian you don't you don't even know how much of that I left in there buddy so you can't just try to you just can't get to just sort of steer out of that one like hey he's going to cut all of that part out hey listen man I'm I included quite a bit of that stuff in there so people are aware of the flub situation that happened but we've got to figure out situation it's it is it is definitely not just a flub this is a flubuation this is a flubuation this is is a flub situation. This is like an entire... I wouldn't upgrade it to that. I'm

blaming DB for this. Do not blame. Do not get... Do not blame anybody else for it. I'm kidding. And we are, we're thankful that our guest if I was any more high profile, you know, I might have just logged off just watching, watching what I

just watched. I mean, listen, Chris. This fly-by-night streaming operation. You, of course, produce a very popular podcast and you're involved in that type of thing. So we're, we You feel very confident with you doing this. And also, I mean, you're classic rock, Chris. You know this stuff.

Yeah, classic rock, Chris. Sometimes you've got to make it up on the fly, man. Sometimes you just got to go a little bit, Tray Anastasio on the shit. You know some improv. Just noodle on it a little bit. Yeah. Well, guys, I went to R slash rock hall. Okay, great.

I thought you guys would want to hear some of the bands that aren't in, the new bands that were supposed to. Because we talked about it, right? Foreigners in. bad companies in and now iron maidens it yeah so we got to find some new bands to be bands that should be in i'll also say that this is an interesting year to do do this episode because you know as as a baseline for this whole discussion i think this is a very strong well-rounded list of induction inductions like if you take the ronald does not you what michael does not they thinks this he said and chris he's mad at people like you

who are saying it's a pretty good list. Because you're letting it happen. You're actually allowing that you're allowing people like Shakira who is like, I've never even heard of Shakira. What is she? She's not even a big. It's not like she's played the Super Bowl or something. No, she's not like I, yeah,

she's not a well-known, super popular, world famous musician. And yeah. And I mean, it's like you want to excuse fucking Luther Vandros, Wutan Clan and Shakira and call them rock and roll. That's on you.

But I'm not going to do it. With their Vandros, I'm giving it to, I mean, like, I think the only one, okay, so Michael has, there has been a turn in Michael where now he says, and this is nuts. This is pure racism. I'm going to let you know, but he wouldn't, but it's just pure racism that R&B doesn't belong in the rock and roll hall of fame, which is fucking. Listen, crazy. It is, it's completely insane, but. And I, listen, I do think there's a very good chance of Michael Nolan is. raise this guy. But I also think that it just, it could also just be his like purity of like rock,

you know, where he's just like no other genre except for classic rock can be in the rock and roll hall of fame like guitar fucking drums, bass, I mean, lead singer. I don't know. It's like, like, like, Rhythm and R&B in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is like saying that you shouldn't recognize the internal combustion engine in the car hall of fame. Yeah. I'm not, I just want to be clear. I'm I'm not agreeing with him at all. I'm just saying that like he has this super narrow view of what rock and roll is. And I don't know that it all has to do with racism because also Brian, he's a little bit of misogyny as well.

You know what you'll say? Well, our friend Pat Fennardy said something on our bonus episode that I think is very useful in this conversation. Yes. Michael Nolan likes rock. He does not like. roll. Ah, yes. That is pretty good. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. It's useful. You know, swing, soul, these things have no place. I mean, he's a two four beat and I need a guitar solo. That's it. Yeah, guitar solo. That's a key. There has to be a real shitty ass fucking solo.

Eight minute or forever stupid. Even like the perfunct in the 80s when it would be like a 18 second perfunctory guitar solo and every single song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. that's what I mean. They just throw it in there like, okay, I guess this is a thing we have to do on our song. And they're like half ass throw in some shitty guitar solo. I mean, you said that, but I was just talking with my wife about how much I miss like 18 seconds of a shitty guitar solo. I mean, I hear a lot of pop stuff on the radio. And I'm listening like, can you use 18 seconds of a squealing guitar solo. Just throw them in there. I want to hear. And then of course, as we all know, then it gives them an opportunity. to jam it out live. Yes.

You know what I'm saying? Like extend that fucking. Where like the singers like jamming back to back. Totally. Totally. Playing guitar. That's her back. Yeah.

Guns and Rose like when I saw Guns and Roses at Austin City Limits in 2019, they played Rock. You hit them right in their prime. They did. I did. Hey, my wife was not missing guns and roses. Fair enough. They were on the same time as Tame Impala.

Mm. And Gwen was like, I don't, I want to see Tame and Pala. Paula. Yeah. I mean, Tim Paul's an amazing show. That's when they would have been touring with their giant light circle, which was truly tremendous. But I also saw Gunza Roses around that time. And you know what? I'm glad that I checked them off the old list. Guns of Roses with Slash. I think that's the important thing. So yeah, she and I got to have my duff. I'm a big I'm a big duff head over here. My last is snake pit. Sorry, Slash's snake pit. I just had the I just remembered slash's snake pit. I just played here all the time, dude. They played in collaboration. like every three weeks it felt like. But like so so when we went to see that, it's funny. He said they played Rocket Queen and they stretched that song out to be about 25 minutes. And Axel Rose just left for a part of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a few minutes later or a few songs later, he went to Axel Rose was like, late, it's time for ladies and gentlemen, Duff McCagan, one of his songs. And he just came up, Duff McCagan just sang one of his solo songs in a middle of the set while Axel Rose was gone. And I'm like, Axel Rose has a crazy voice. So I kind of get it. You know what I mean? Yeah. But like the famous one that I talk about all time now is going to see Metallica and it being a bass, Robert Trujillo playing bass and Kirk Hammett on guitar doing a like five minute jam. Yeah. The jam out well the lead singer takes a rest. I think I've probably mentioned it before. But when I saw the Brian Jonestown massacre at the Commodore.

in Vancouver many years ago. Anton Newcom at that time was pretty heavy into doing heroin. And he, that happened numerous times where it's just like, oh, now the fucking guitar and baseball are going to jam out for 14 minutes. Like not interesting jams or anything,

just very much like they're pissed off. They don't want to be doing it. And yeah, that kind of reminds me of that. That's a fantastic show, though. I mean, that movie about them is great, great, by the way. Yeah, dig, dig about them in the Dandy Warhol. here we go let's start naming some we got to figure out what we're going to be mad about we got sticks sticks so we're mad that they're not these are people we're mad that they're not in yeah

boston boston's one boston boston is one that you could put up there for sure i mean more than a feeling i mean i mean it's or play long time i genuinely love that song they they and and they have a pretty they're like a classic classic rock band you know like that one boston album to and my understanding is that guy just like made that album by himself in his basement, uh, which is pretty impressive. But like, what do you got more than that? You got the one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think they should be in.

They should definitely, they are a line band. There are line bands where it's like Boston, very popular band has a few songs that even I like, which is crazy because I hate classic rock. And, uh, but like if, if everybody gets in, it's not special. Yeah. So some people that you think should get in. journeys, your Boston's, they shouldn't get in. Yeah.

They're not special. You need to have more than I agree. It's got, you got to like have a few super like big albums or really like memorable albums. Hits and mold. A, a stat that Molly and I, my wife and I always used to like track like the importance of artists is if you are able to chart a hit in different decades. Yeah, that's huge. And it's like in the more decades you can hit, even if you're your, your, your hit.

with is like one from 79 and your last one's in 91 that's three decades you you've like got to legendary status at that totally totally agree on that I don't think you have to have that necessarily that's a real strong metric of that's a strong one to you should be if you're able to have big like chart topping hits there yeah so oh then you guys are going to this next one okay motley crew I mean come on man they play Molly crew when I go to the baseball games I go to all the time. They play Miley Crew every time. I don't know what the fuck is going on.

What do they play? Kri. My heart and also live wire. So two different. I don't know why they play two. Like it seems like the guy that runs the music is like a is a Nolan. Because he also plays a lot of, he plays a lot of Bon Jovi living on a prayer.

Yeah. I mean, that's a baseball. That's a baseball sport song. Like that's, that's, I think, a lot of different baseball fields. Yeah. What's that song? West Virginia

come out country roads they play it all the time every week they play a long time that seems like a weird energy for a baseball game I feel like

maybe once the game's over and you're like heading out of the ballpark like that feels more accurate but like that's a bit of a it's kind of laid back though a ball game

is kind of laid back so it's definitely doesn't fit at like most sporting events but at sometimes at a baseball game I think and it's just I don't know like a hockey game

and I heard country roads I'd be like what the fuck is going on Yeah, it's not a pump-up song. Here's what I mean. Unfortunately, I want to say this. I want to say this. When I go to the Clippers game, if they win, they better be playing a clip-clap rap,

a song written, a rap song about the Columbus Clippers. That's cool. It's cool they have their own song. Oh, yeah, it's fantastic. I will say in Motley Cruz's favor, they do have, if we're looking at the whole team build out here, they do have what I would call an intangible, which is beyond the music, beyond the hits. they did do an insurmountable aid to the contributing to the legend of rock music. Yeah.

And rock and roll like like the the spirit, the tall tales of rock and roll. Right. I think that they have made huge intangible contributions to that. So that would be my support for them over like a sticks, even if sticks had maybe had more like hits. But I think they kind of it's because they were kind of like in my opinion anyways. I don't know that much about them, but I sort of see them as like tryhards. Like they were trying to do that.

You know what I mean? They're like, we're going to be the ultimate rock stars. Like we're going to really do this rock thing, you know? Yeah. Well, there's two things I want to say about Motley crew. One, worst biopic ever. Never seen a word. What's it called?

What's it called again? I cannot fucking remember, but it is the dirt. It is really. It's dirt, right? The dirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And machine gun Kelly plays Tommy Lee. It's bad.

It's a hard. We watched it, by the. way. There's no way I'm not watching. Netflix, right? Yeah, it's a Netflix movie. Yeah, I definitely tuned out of that one. I, because I was like, oh, this could be interesting because as like Chris was talking about, you know, that like, oh, these guys were kind of fucking wild. There's like a lot of stuff surrounding them. And I tuned out, I think after about 25 minutes because I was like,

holy fucking shit. Like, this is really, really poorly done. Like, this is a really badly made movie. Like, yeah. Toto, Super Tramp, Jay Giles Band. Super Tramp. Sounds like a band Chris just likes. Meatloaf ain't in there. Meatloaf, I don't know. Meatloaf could, but again, what does meatloaf? Meatloaf obviously has a few massive, massive hits. But like, did what is like, I don't know that much about meatloaf.

Did meatloaf have like a number of super memorable? He probably deserves to be in there. I just have goodwill for like the type of guy meat, meatloaf is. I agree. Yeah, I mean, he's in Fight Club, obviously has a great role. Huey Lewis in the news. Okay, well, that's one of my friend Eric's friends. That's a- Yes, Eric Cal Bowler is friends, friends with, friends with Huey Lewis.

And if you go to Mancow's Instagram, there's a video of him like sidling up to a photograph of Huey Lewis and being like, hey, sorry to, sorry to interrupt here on this. I knew, I knew you, I knew you from before and everything like that. And Huey Lewis is like so old. Let's go into the comments. Where's weird owl, says Vince? And the guy goes, the ultimate snub. So these people are kind of like being a little bit tongue and cheek. They're mad because this guy goes, he's even snub from the snubbed list.

Shame. I mean, this opens an interesting question. Is the master satirist of a genre part of the genre himself or is it he outside of it? I think that you can't have him in there because. he's he's making fun of them you know what I'm saying it undermines the entire project he's basically like they're bully he's basically like they're bully and he can't be letting him come to the party he's gonna be fucking making fun of everybody there it's gonna be a nightmare he's gonna be here's this joke of the entire the entire ceremony he's gonna make a joke of the rock and roll hall of

payment ducts and ceremony but we cannot have here's here's this exchange is great this guy goes there's no Hall of Fame without Weird Al. And then the next guy goes, parody music is not real music, which is crazy too. I don't know why both of those takes, diametrically opposed takes, sound stupid.

Yeah, like, and also let's not forget Weird Al did have some original songs. He wasn't doing all parodies. He does have some pretty bad original songs that he put on those albums. Well, I will say as much of a Devo fan as I am, Weird Al arguably has one of the best Devo songs. as one of his originals, the, uh, dare to be stupid, the genre parody of it. He, he, um, and I just,

I like weird Al. I mean, I think I do not. You don't like weird out, really? I am, uh, one thing that I bonded with our friend Felix Biederman over very early on is that neither of us like, oh, I like weird. Oh, I like weird out. Like, I don't know that I find his music that funny or whatever, but like, like, I remember like, whatever, he's like a little bit maybe like, uh, he's a little bit much, obviously. He's one of those guys that you can feel like, like it would be tough to spend a lot of time with them and stuff. But he definitely, like his, the movie that they made, you know, that's was so funny. I like that. I like the movie. So fucking funny. He was just, he was funny on like comedy bang bang and stuff like that. I used to watch

that TV show and he was funny. I don't know. And I also, I mean, I have a soft spot because when I was a kid, I was, I loved him. Like, I loved like Amish Paradise and like. I get the goodwill towards him. I find, I find the actual song parodies a little first draft. As much as I loved Yoda when I was like 10 or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do love, I love the polka medleys. I think that those are insanely fun and I do like some of his original stuff. I like, you know, I think I do think that he's a very talented guy.

And you got to appreciate keeping the stick up and being successful at it. Again, for five decades now. So, you know, give it up for him. I think I have to agree with you, even as like a fan of his. And again, I was more of the music I liked when I was a kid. kid. I'm not so much so I just kind of like the guy who I find him pretty funny but that's a good way of describing it. A lot of the parodies do feel a little bit childish and first draft type thing. Yeah, that's like Anthony Keats and Flea. They were mad about yabed dabadoo now. They were like,

this is fucking what? Do you know how much poetry we imbibed into that tune? You don't think that's funny that he made the red hot jelly peppers mad doing that. I think it's funny that he made the red out chili peppers mad about yabed abad do. It is. It is. It is. It is funny that he made the red hot chili peppers mad about yabadabado. It is much funnier to make the artist mad about your incredibly silly songs than the parodies themselves. Yes, it's so funny to get mad about yabababadoo. Like it's crazy. But anyway, this guy goes, he doesn't only do parody music. And then he goes, he uses rock and roll culture to express its absurdities. The guy's been a consistent. Yeah, like wonder if you were a big fat guy. You ate a lot. Yeah, I don't think that's what he's doing at all. I don't think he's doing the thing.

You don't think it's a science thing he's doing. No, I don't think there's politics. It's not as deep as what you're saying. I think he thinks of a funny idea and makes a silly song like you would if you were a kid or whatever. It's childish. It's like that's the fun part of it. Yeah. This next line is great.

Quite frankly, I'd be less inclined to induct someone like Joe Cocker who did like 75% cover songs. So that's that's like a little wild. Yeah. I mean, what's the difference there? Who's like, is Joe Cocker writing his own songs? I don't think so. He might as well be making food-based song parodies. Well, a lot of the people...

There's more creativity that goes to that. You got to write new lyrics. I don't want... Yeah, absolutely. I don't want to argue with this poster, you know, but I would say that, like, a lot of the musicians who you might like and are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

might also not be writing their music as well. You know, like someone else might be writing some of their most famous songs. I do love... I do really enjoy having it being forced to consider like the relative creative creative. merits of Joe Cocker versus weird. Yeah, that's very funny. It's very funny. So this guy, he goes way over. Now they start going overboard. This guy goes, good point. He's a pillar of rock

in his style. And it's like, that's a lot. That's too far. That's too much. Yeah, that's not true. And then this guy just out of nowhere goes, saving the world from the demon witch Madonna. How come? Who doesn't explain that? Cocker, Yankovic. Weird out. Weird out. Did he he made he made a Madonna parody I'm sure like a surgeon like a surgeon oh like a surgeon of course yeah okay and so that but that I don't think that's he destroyed her yeah I mean nobody took her seriously performed for a hundred thousand people at Coachella this weekend I think she's still around well she got destroyed I'm sorry now they get into an argument that's more Chris coded Chris Wade uh this guy goes king crimson by far out of anyone here probably the smiths the replacements and motorhead next now the replacements in the smiths are going to get extremely because you know these guys don't fucking know them because they're classic rock guys you know what i mean

like that's the same thing with joy division and new order yeah it blew my mind that michael nolan did not know what joy division was like i when we first it when we first did it like that he didn't even on our first episode of this you know that you run a classic rock channel. Because again, the first Joy Division EP came out in like 1976 or something. They're not that far out of the pocket of what you're talking about. Totally. Did not even like know, be aware that this like legendary band that invented a whole stream of rock music essentially. I mean, that that really blew my mind and set the standards for like how troglodyte some of these opinions are going to be. He stopped listening to music in 1975.

Yeah. And then everything after that is like, but that's not true. You're right. He does. There is. He loves Greta Van Fleet. Greta Van Fleet. Let's hit play on the video there, Chris. Let's hear from Nolan here. Okay, we're still at the very beginning. Here's what 30,000 votes, 30,000 votes. This is a big poll.

Here's what the people wanted. All right. You're listening, rock and roll hall of fame? Here's what real people. And I will take the knowledge base of my viewers over every, single one of your nomination panel. They're the expert. He is the real expert.

He's not. Is, does he not hear her microphone? Is it not being picked up in his headphones? Because he doesn't seem to be acknowledging anything that she's a hype woman is a really great. It's incredible. She is hyping him up. He's just like 30,000.

And first of all, 30,000 people didn't vote. 30,000 votes happened. Yes. Yeah. And Roy's probably voted like 180 times. There's probably hardcore Nolan heads out there who programmed some bots to like swarm the pole. You know, I'm sure his, his infosec around how he's operating this is a, well, I went in there. I went in there and voted 750 times for the Beatles, Led Zeppelin and Big Floyd.

By the way. But like if, yes, this is, if you just pulled 30,000 people, this is a list of rock bands that 30,000 people would mention. If you just said list rock bands. Yes, exactly. would just start saying it. Maybe not deep. It's crazy to me that deep purple is number six, personally. I know they're like the biggest upset here.

They're massively popular amongst these classic rock guys, though. They have this weird star. Yeah, it's, it's just this weird thing where it's like, so this is a list. He's going to say it probably, right? Yeah. So should I let him say it? You're going to hit play. We'll see.

I don't know how quickly he names. Okay. Here we go. Right here. That's right. And in their infinite wisdom, the following are now added to the original 13, to the Mount Rock Olympus Hall of Fame, King Crimson. Oh, woo-hoo.

For Prague, I believe, the Moody Blues, who was in my original. They were, I might have three tonight. They were in my original 13. They got voted out. Listen, listen. Is he surprised that his listeners who listen to him every week agree with him on his music takes? he's just like I got another one in here that was one I will I like.

Holy shit. What are the on? This guy takes a victory lap for his thing. I mean, I would. I don't know if we'll watch this whole thing, but I am interested to hear if there's anything voted in by his listeners that he's like, now I think the listeners fucked up here.

There are a few of them that. No, but he also in the Mount Rock Olympus Hall of Fame, he has kind of a veto power. Okay. If he doesn't think it's rock. Yeah. So if something gets in.

That's only fair. That's only fair. But also what this is is he listed the bands and you were able to vote on the bands. But maybe, you know, Roy's got a band or two in there. Yeah. Maybe Novus Nick got a hold of the list and, you know, like, Novus Nick is his, is like fucking nemesis. Is this out of like a ballot of like 100 or 200 that, and this is the top 77 or something? Yeah. How many were on the list?

Yeah. How many more on the list of 77 people? Because he was getting to 100, though. It makes sense. No, wait, no, it was 77. He only had 13. So he's getting to 90? Yeah.

What? He's crazy. You can hit play one more time and then we'll get to a next thing here. By one or two votes. You know, there was some near, you know, Credens didn't take that 13 spot easily. There were like three or four bands had just barely. and Credence just got like it could have been three votes more you know wow all right that's

that's an important thing can you pause it for a second that's an important message about democracy when you think your vote doesn't matter or whatever it's like credence only got number 13 by like maybe three votes the next time you tell me your vote doesn't matter let's take a look here r slash rock which i have found r slash rock and it it is by far the dumbest of the music subred. Maybe, maybe R slash music recommendations is a little bit more stupid, but R slash rock is insane. This person says, as a Gen X, I really appreciate rock being mainstream now.

Wait, wait. It was way more mainstream before, I feel like. Well, now you don't hear their reason. Watching the new Alien Earth series, episode three, ends with a rock score. Gone are the days of some classical score being a motive. That's not true. Those days are not gone.

That still exists as well. There's just a lot more stuff being made. So there's like a big variety of the soundtracks you're going to hear. And alien earth, they would end with like a stone temple pilot. So they had a very specific set of life. And I have to say the alien earth end tracks were some of the wackest music choices that I've seen on TV in a long time.

completely baffling given the tone of the rest of that show and like what it was going I have no idea what they were going for with those songs it seemed like the guy just was like I really like these grunge songs because it was grunge era type stuff yeah to me it seemed like

it was what the showrunner was like jogging to that morning and when they hit lock to the final cut they're like yeah just throw this on yes it was and he goes this person goes the catalyst for me was the Thor movie with the immigrant song our time is now that was a catalyst for me finally a immigrant song drop in a movie sitting at thor yeah this guy's

sitting at thor which door was that was that love and thunder i don't know that that would be ragnar rock it was ragner rock oh no no wonder was such a popular one it was like groundbreaking and that they used immigrant song in it and people are like holy shit what is this fucking song Immigrant Song is a funny pool there too because it's like, God damn, what movie doesn't have immigrants? Yeah. Like School of Rock?

Yes, it's like based. Almost the whole movie's immigrant song. Well, it's called School of Rock. I'm thinking they'd like that movie. Oh, you think they love it? Yeah, but they're playing. Rock was mainstream. That was before Rock was mainstream.

So that was a real underground. That was an underground film. You had to be really keyed into the, the scene. to know about that one. When Brian just said School of Rock, I was like, holy shit, he's heard of School of Rock as well. Like that was kind of like a small independent like under the radar film that I thought. That was a real like Sundance hit, but I don't think it got distribution after that. Yeah.

I had to seek it out. Well, this guy goes, our time is now. Here's a reply. Rock will never die. And with the internet, it will always be eternal. As future generations. Never dying and being eternal are the same. I agree with that.

also he goes as future generations may find it and like it but being played at some random series isn't exactly being mainstream l-o-l so this guy disagrees rock is not mainstream yes but it that that is it will never die that's the definition of mainstream to be played on like a popular television program or movie that is mainstream I agree this person goes I don't really understand this appreciate what I don't care what the mainstream thinks about anything I I love rock. That's all I care about. And that's a person who's like they don't want.

They want to like no shit and like have people be like, oh, you're, oh, what's this I'm playing? Oh, sorry, grandma. I guess you never heard of this. It's known as rock music. Like they want to freak people out a little bit with their hard rock and fucking music tastes. I've never heard rooster by Allison Jay. What is this? And then this guy replies to that person and goes, no, that's rock.

role. So, and then this person goes, rock is mainstream. You've fallen for the directors and producers knowing their audience friend. But what who? I don't. I don't understand what they. Hollywood elites trying to manipulate you using your hyper specific tastes. What do they?

leveraging your niche interests of rock music. What do they think mainstream means? I don't understand. They're just like, oh, no. So they know their audience, but they want their audience to be everyone. Yeah. So like they're not like, hey, we want to, you know, we're looking to have a real niche audience for our major fucking, you know, like network television show. So like that I don't, I would love to talk to these. I wouldn't love to talk to these guys. But I would love to talk to them for a minute and ask them what what their definition of mainstream is for music. I would love it. And he goes, who are who are the likely target audience to watch Alien Earth, Gen X and millennials, that, the majority of our alternative rock, metal, grunge, and hard rock fans, love that they're using these songs and hopefully the younger generation watching picks up an album.

Okay, that does make a little bit more sense. Yeah. I did kind of a Jim Brewer thing there where I didn't let them finish their thought and I just jumped all over it. But that makes a little more sense. They're saying like Alien is like an old IP, like it's like so older people, generation people who like this music where they're trying to play to that. That does make more sense.

Unfortunately, he ends that sentence. by but this is far from rock becoming mainstream yeah so he still thinks like it's not quite there yet we feel like we get we go over this every time we do this episode but i feel like the central tension here is always like these people that want want to treat a form of like cultural production i.e. rock music that is so ubiquitous right now you might like over the last 60 70 years in suffusing all elements of society that you might as well be discussing air or water as like a concrete, definable niche product.

Yeah. It's like people doing bottle water reviews or something like that. You know, it's like everywhere. It's everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's like reviewing McDonald. They're talking about,

they're talking about, hey, don't, don't be hammering on the, on our friend Nick from Doe Boys, who I did see reviewing a soy sauce burger that he had in Japan from McDonald's. That sounds good. So that is actually something that is kind of important still, if we're talking about,

they're coming out with new burgers and stuff like that. And even as I say that, I do have very strong opinions on various brands of bottled water. So, you know, I guess it comes for us all. I feel like the, they're talking about like how pop music now is like different than that. But right, like pop music, I guess is more like hip hop is more mainstream than rock now. So maybe they're not saying they're saying that nowadays rock is no longer mainstream. Yeah. Well, here's an interesting thing, and this is going to blow your mind what this guy says. First, the guy goes, on one hand, I just saw ACVC play an 80K arena last month. On the other hand, they're in their 70s. This guy replies that. It goes, exactly my reason for saying it's headed to smaller venues over the next couple decades. Name any band under 40 that can fill an 80K arena. Maybe King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard Wizard?

I mean, that's a fair point. point there about the re-nitification of rock for younger music. And also fair, King Gizzard is probably a good pool of who would be able to fill that size of an arena. It's a huge arena. The 80K is almost a stadium, right? It's a stadium. How big is the Forest Hills Amphitheater? Let's see. Let me do some venue math. Imagine dragons. I'm looking up different. I think that is kind of correct though that like yeah the people who are filling arenas or whatever are old aged rockers you know well finally this guy goes rock's last mainstream moments was the early 2000s when jerry springer and w wf were smashing tv ratings creed evanescence lincoln park nickelback i love

some newer bands so much but the mainstream appeal is gone music's homogenous now pink pony club throws a solo and a pop song and that's enough for the majority of listeners. Lincoln Park are still really popular with the depressed Gen Z demo. So they're staying somewhat relevant. That is not true, by the way. Lincoln Park is the most hated band out there right now. And I think like, like, you know, when they're

when their lead singer and like the driving force behind the band had that a horrible, you know, tragic death, I think that probably, you know, has something to do with. I wasn't following this too closely, but it seemed like they kind of botched their relaunch a bit. Very bad. Well, just their new member is not popular. Okay. And not because she's a woman. It's because she wrote a note in defense of Danny Masterson.

Ah, okay. And didn't apologize and I believe said that she would still do it. Okay. So she went, she went a little cootcher on us. Yeah. Let's take a look at some reviews here real quick. I looked up on Ticketmaster reviews, by the way. It's been a long time.

and I totally miss Ticketmaster reviews. After reading some of these, they're fantastic. This is for a tribute band called the Phil Collins experience. That's interesting. Just got inducted this year. Yeah, Phil Collins loves solo, solo induction. He was obviously already in with Genesis. But that is kind of, I guess it's just a little bit weird to me,

but I guess people are like, they do this all the time. But it's like your name of your tribute band is just the guy's name. I don't like when it's an experience. The band should be called Susudio. Or it should be called like, how about this? The air tonight. Yes. That's beautiful.

That's what I mean. Like get a little creative with it and have something like that. How about this? Mini kiss. I remember Chapo tour, we played Vegas, the House of Blues in Vegas in the Mandalay bed. And I was looking at like what is coming up there. And one of the bands coming up was called the Red Not Chili Peppers. We've read reviews. We've read reviews. We know them.

Shortest man. I will say that I was like talking to the venue manager who was like leading his in it. I was like, ha, the red knot chili peppers. And that guy was like, unfortunately, those guys are really good. Yeah. Yeah. But the issue with them, the main issue is that their drummer who's supposed to be tall and the real band is extremely short.

Oh, is this is a small man? He's no, he's no Chad Smith. It's so upsetting to me when he see the image. They try to like use force perspective and stuff. on it to like but it's like you got to get a taller drummer i don't care how good he is you know taller chad see this guy i love doing this show i'm glad that you guys offhand know lore about the red not chili peppers if i bring them up yeah well because we like we do reading reviews of uh tribute bands on ticket masters sure yes this guy goes four stars great music and the band had a nice

Phil Collins sound. Well, good. The mission accomplished. So that's a really funny review. I agree. But that's just the headline of the review. There's still more. He goes, love the second half of the show. Now, this is a theme here.

Love the second half of the show. The first half included a lot of audience participation, which is okay. I enjoyed the show, but will not recommend to others. The facility was excellent as before. So, a lot of people weren't thrilled about the audience participation. That sounds rare.

Especially to start the show. You got to build some momentum before you go out to the audience, you know? And he lets them sing. That's what's happening. He holds the microphone to a person's face and like the front row. And they get to sing part, the part of the song that's on it. Nobody's there for that. Yes.

That would be like Seth MacFarlane stepping off stage and sticking a microphone in somebody's face and saying, you sing this Frank Sinoceros. people are coming there to watch set you know do his thing crew definitely we want to see him this guy goes wonderful experience i went into this show quite skeptical and with very limited expectations good reason a hey the good to go to a show that you're skeptical maybe he was maybe his wife brought him or something or yeah hey by the end of the show i was a fan i'm not big on audience participation so when you start giving individuals in the audience the mic right at the beginning of the show i really thought i'd made him a mistake

mistake. It's a bad move by the PCX. If you're seeing a Phil Collins cover band, the best that you can get out of that is somebody making a smulcrum of Phil Collins. You don't want to see somebody in the audience pretending to be Phil Collins. Now, if you're Phil Collins himself and you're going into the audience and giving somebody the mic, then you are being given the microphone by the Phil Collins. Yeah, that's different.

That's different. Power to it. You agree. And then it's like if it's the cover band, then it's just some asshole who's like, you know it's very bizarre to be doing it and not be the actual artist. It is extremely bizarre. But how about this, Chris? How about the fucking Phil Collins cover band going out into the audience, putting the mic up to a guy's face and the guy in the audience is Phil Collins. Now we're talking.

That would be insane. I don't, I don't know how many times I've told the story, but my friend of guy, a friend of mine that I worked with was in a cover band called sold. S-O-U-L-E-D. Okay, great. Like, we sold out, you know what I mean? Uh-huh. It's funny. And he's performing at this bar downtown and Columbus and they're about to play

how you remind me by Nickelback. And the lead singer gets like a few lines in and then Chad Kroger goes up on stage. He's like, let me take this from here. And he's saying, how you remind me? That's a break the internet kind of moment, though. I mean, that's like, that's this kind of thing that you see, see in an Instagram video and you're like this has to be set up they were way more famous at that time too this is like now that thousand three that's a move that really depends on the energy with which chad croger did that

i agree because it's like if you're if you're coming up with a kind of like agro like i'm fucking here i'm gonna do this is my song i'm gonna do it then dick move but if you're kind of like being like hey i'm i'm here do you want can i hop in on this one you guys are really good like then wonderful I think they knew he was there. Yeah, yeah. I think that it would be really something to just be like, what the fuck is this shit? No, no, no, no, no.

You got it all wrong. This is an aside, but I had sent that Brian this clip before we came on because, you know, I knew we might talk about Joy Division and New York a little bit. We got some reviews. And you thought Brian would be able to play clips on his computer. Well, then I'm, okay, then maybe I'll put a pin in this. I might even be able to play that.

I want to talk about Peter Hook, big dogging somebody wanting to play one of his songs a little later. No, I mean, Chris, you have all the power here. You can play the clip yourself. I mean, we don't even need to ask. We'll do it at the end of the episode. You don't even have to have permission anymore. You have control over what is played on this episode.

Listen to me. It's my podcast now. I'm the captain now. Yes. Right? Yes. Don't do the voice, Brian. I didn't.

Oh. Brian. I went into this show quite skeptical with very, oh, he goes, I really thought I'd made a mistake. I was ready to skip out. I'm glad I didn't. They put on one hell of a show. I'd definitely. see them again and then this person gives it four stars this is a funny this is a perfect ticket master

review disappointed we were moved from front row balcony seats to the second row in front of the stage the seating was crowded and the acoustics were bad we could barely understand the song lyrics the musician is good but nowhere near phil callings oh shit dude they always say that i those are my favorite reviews is like nowhere near the actual guy they're trying to do No more near the guy who is famous enough to have a band to make their entire living off of imitating him somehow. Yeah. Yeah. This person says, saw the show at the Maltz Theater and Jupiter on Phil Collins' birthday.

Oh, that's a very funny time to go. Like, how do you know? Maybe they're a big fan of Phil Collins. I mean, they must be. Yeah. And like a huge fan and they know it's his birthday. And he's not playing a concert on that day. So in order to honor the great Phil Collins, let's go.

by the cover band and watch them. It's going to see the Phil Collins. And then I'm sure that guy's like, that he's like, we got to play on his birthday. We're going to get a huge. Is this in Jupiter, Florida?

Yes. I mean, Phil Collins cover band in Jupiter, Florida on Phil Collins's birthday. I mean, that's a vibe. I feel like the audience. I feel like everybody,

everybody involved in that experience is going to be fairly locked in. Yeah, that's a bucket list. I could see, I mean, the only thing it can make it better in my opinion is,

an emce by the name of Doug Trach the Greeceman who I know is he is he in Florida now I don't think he's a Florida guy maybe he is he has Florida vibes but like or an old radio guy or something like that you know I think he's Maryland Chris I believe I just remember that video of him they were where he was doing sort of his last ever stand up gig that we ever saw of that was so good but that was in Maryland it wasn't Maryland it seemed like I guess just the way he was dressed made it seem like it was Florida. This guy goes, saw the show. Oh, so anyway, he goes, get rid of the female backup singer. He's too loud and sharp to back him up. She took most of the songs off key. Only her slow duet with Phil was tolerable. These are great musicians, especially the drummer and sax.

Couldn't hear the keyboard, but they were probably great. I love giving them the benefit of the doubt. That's actually really kind of you. Because what do you have to go off of other, like, were you watching his the backup singer sucked, but I can't hear the keyboardist. Got to assume they're good. I was watching his fingers and he seemed to be hitting the right keys at the right time.

I love the idea of watching his finger. Like, oh, he was great. But anyway, he goes, uh, most of Phil Collins' music has amazing, clear piano notes in the background. It needs to be fixed. Phil, quote, quote, Phil, unquote, has a great voice, but needs to hold many notes longer to really sound authentic. He's a fun show.

but he's missing the musical vocal mark lots of potential for a great show not quite there yet so this guy's a scout which i think you're some more development yeah back to the minor leagues for a little bit not not not ready for jupiter this is the exact billy idol there were reviews of billy idol so we'll go ahead and check those out because he got in this year three four stars great show but billy was amazing as always sounded the best i've heard been going to his concerts for years Meet and Greet was, this is so good. I promise. This is cold cheap beans territory.

This is maybe, Chris, we read a Steve Aoki review and somebody paid for the backstage like experience and they were mad because they had cold cheap beans. I mean, that sounds pretty gross. Yeah. So he goes, Meet and Greet was so lame and we'd never pay for that again. standing in a room with a three foot metal box between us and a couple of photos. It's not a meet and greet. Absolute rip off.

Then the guy explaining the rules before he went in was so obnoxious. The guy explaining the rules. It was explaining the rules. And he's like he's fucking obnoxious with all these rules. Yeah. And the three feet. I don't know like any of this. I mean,

which by paying for a meet and greet with basically any artist that has a payable meet and greet and expecting it to be anything other. than perfunctory and awkward. Yes. You are already playing yourself. Again, I've always said I would, it would be the worst thing in the world to me to do a meet and greet with a band that I love. Like if corn did meet and greets. Yeah.

Or Deftones did meet and greets. I would, I don't want to do that. Especially if it's before the show. Yeah. It's like they're stuck talking to a bunch of, nothing's going to give me more hype for a show with one of my favorite artists than having a three second incredibly awkward and dismissive interaction with them that I paid like $200 for.

Okay. Feeling a little buyer's remorse over here for my Jim Brewer, meet and greet tickets that I've bought for his upcoming show. This guy goes, but he's not done. He goes, uh, absolute rip off. Then the, oh, he was trying to play tough guy was amusing. Bringing Joan Jet on this way. Who is playing tough guy?

The rules guy. Yeah, it's probably like a roadier. something like yeah right like some guy or maybe a venue like a guy at the venue with he's dealing with what would traditionally be kind of a pain in the ass yeah yeah yeah yeah like he so he goes abs he goes uh trying to play tough guy was amusing bringing joan jet on tour things great but the two to three minute political ramp we all could have done without even a liberal town u s a i would love to know what joan jet's political rant is and i know this year Well, if that's all it takes, like when they say snowflakes, man, I've read so many reviews.

And I know this is like kind of a hack thing. I've read so many Ticketmaster reviews where they went and saw somebody that was going to say something political. Probably nothing like Joan Jett probably didn't go up and give like a she probably was very vague. The way things are right now, we all got to love each other. There needs to be more there needs to be more positive energy. Shut the fuck up and play your fucking songs. We love rock and roll. We want to rock.

And I just love the idea. He was like, we could have done without that even a liberal town, USA. Yeah. So he's not. He's in L.A. He's in L.A. Yeah. And he's like, but he's one of the, he's like a conservative in a, in a demo.

Yeah. It would be very funny if like, you know, Joan Jett just got up there and was like, you know, in between a bad reputation. I love rock and roll was like, all right. Workers need to seize the means of production. We need to engage in a third world's revolution against the capitalist overlords. Now that, fine, get mad at that.

This guy goes, I went to the con three stars. I went to the concert expecting Billy Idol to be the main event. Joan Jett stole the show. Billy pandered to his gassar, like stole. Yeah, you don't really hear stole the show in a negative way. This is a very negative way. It's generally considered to be a good thing. Yeah.

You like going in and being like, oh, man, I, you know, I wasn't even paying for Joan, but she was like the surprise hit of the show. Yeah, fortunately, she stole the whole thing. Yeah. I don't think that you're not head. You're not headlining. I am now. I'm the captain now.

She said, I'm the captain now and she did the voice. Billy pandered to his guitarist and lead singer, hardly any of his old songs played or sang, which is funny not to play. He was, I was sorely disappointed as I went to a Billy. Tribute Band a couple years ago and they did such a good job. I was up dancing the whole concert. I did not get up once to dance at this concert. It is pretty funny for Billy Idol to go and not play his hits at a show.

It's so good every time. I mean, look, I'm looking at his set list right now and he plays Rebel Yell. He plays White Wedding. I'm not sure how much deeper. Look, I'm not the hugest Billy Idol. Yeah, those are the, I mean, those are like the two. his two most famous. Cradle of Love is a very famous song. That's his second tune. From the Adventures of Ford Fairlane. Oh, that's from that movie? Yeah, fantastic movie.

Is that with Andrew Dice Clay? Yeah, you have no idea how many times I've seen that movie. It's known as a really, it's known as a terrible movie, right? Yeah, but I thought it was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but it's, I know, but I understand and I probably would have to. Yeah, but it's like no to be bad. Gilbert Godfried's in it. It's fantastic. Yeah, there was somebody who is supposed to be in, I remember there's always stories they would talk about it or whatever on like Howard Stern and stuff like that. Yeah. And he goes, let Billy Idol be Billy Idol and give him his own show. That's what I came to hear. So he's like, but I think Billy Idol, it's not like, I don't think they forced Billy Idol to have Joan Jet on, right? I think he probably agreed to and wanted to do it most likely. It's also very funny to just review something and be like, look, I need less entertainment at this show.

You guys, I gave give you too much interesting stuff, interesting and fun stuff. to watch, cut it down and let my fave be the only thing I see. This next one is we're going to mine every single review from this, but I only took like three of them for this show or four. This is a band called the Iron Maidens. It's a all. So what is it, what is it a cover band of? I like this, though.

This is okay. There are actually a mega death cover band. It's an all woman tribute. The Iron Maiden. Okay, that's fun. The Iron Maiden. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.

That is pretty, that's not, that's pretty good. That's not bad. It's a lot better than just calling yourself the Iron Maiden experience or whatever. Well, their reviews are, they get a little weird. Okay. It's going to let you know that. Okay. This guy goes exceptional.

Great tribute band. Great vocals. Great guitars. Great drums. Sounds amazing and really tight. I was not expecting them to be so good as an all-girl band. But they're fantastic. Yeah.

and that's not all this guy gave him five stars loved them they were they were short a guitarist and the two women did awesome gorgeous too and props a lot of that he goes and props to the singer doing that night after night has got to be tough and the drummer's great spot on gorgeous too double gorgeous we got a double gorgeous folks i love just the idea of like it's he's getting he's like he's like feeling like they're maybe into him or something like that like he's like saying like man to do that every night it's like you're just describing being a touring musician you know like oh man it must be so hard to get out there do that every single night you know like then just just throwing it and it's in parentheses gorgeous too gorgeous

just the all female iron maiden cover band is not into you i love the idea though that like he's like because a lot of these reviews are like i didn't think they'd be good because they're women everyone there's a lot of those but then little bigotry of low expectations among the all female metal scene but then what happens is they say i didn't know they i didn't think they'd be good because they're all women and then they're like they were fucking hot but they are it a lot of them have mini jean simmons energy i was going to say i imagine that mini kiss opening up for the iron maidens imagine mini jean simmons man you girls are hot man you guys are hot what i like to do with you girls damn man i'm tired dude i'm fucking i just put together that he's like i'm tired and then he died

yeah he's tired he's been on the road for a long time i'm tired i've been on the road for a long time on the road and it's like it is kind of a sad like it's like he's horny but it's like a very sad fucking interview it's his final interview he ever gave in the world this is mini Gene Simmons it's mini Jean Simmons God rest his soul

specifically but just hearing what you're describing is bumming me yeah it's at road I guess you're not a fan of Rover's Morning Glory and Rover Fest which is a sort of a big shock talk festival it's a bikini contest it's a bikini concede to find bikini babes to be in his calendar

Yeah. We covered it on Chalktober. We've played the clip. I don't know how many times because it's one of my favorite clips ever. Minnie Jean Simmons, like, so sweaty, so like, and he's just looking at these girls in bikinis and saying that stuff. And they're so uncomfortable. Like, wave at him like he's a little kid. They do wave at him and give him a thumbs up.

They give him a thumbs up. Like he's a little kid, you know? And he's like looking at him up and down. I don't like hearing of it. It's brutal. Anyways, he died before the clip even came out. It's really kind of hard. Yeah.

You know, look, if I know it's shock jocks, but if you had more honor, we'd be like, look, we're withholding the mini Jean Simmons. Yeah, we don't want this to be like out of it out of honor for the departed. It's his legacy now as far as I'm concerned. And that's not fair. I think it is. That's not fair. This guy goes, wow. The iron maid.

Oh. The iron maidens. Wow. these gorgeous ladies tribute why do they all keep saying gorgeous they must be they must be a very attractive one but not even in like another description you know what I mean

feels like like a metal head trying to be respectful yeah it does it actually really does sound like a metal guy being like okay you know they're gorgeous I don't want to just think that they're a bunch of hot babes because they're talented musicians as well so they're gorgeous gorgeous and he goes the tribute to Iron Maiden is absolutely awesome

it's like candy for your ears and eyes these guys these reviews are almost exclusively horny men I just want to say I'm looking at a photo of them right now the Iron Maidens and like hey they're they're nice looking ladies or whatever but it's like they're normal looking women like it's not

like they're you know it's not like I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't be like, oh, you're like, oh, man, like, like these guys are. Here's my question for the Iron Maidens. Do they gender flip Eddie in their show presentation? They fully should. They probably don't. Who's like a hot mummy monster.

Chris, they should. But I'll bet you they don't because the reason would be already guys are coming in mad. Immediately like women can't play Iron Maiden, which by the way, Bruce Dickinson's voice is like a high voice. You know what I mean? So I don't see why it would be like out of the realm of a possibility of a woman being able to sing Bruce Dickinson's mind. Yes. You know what I mean? Like one to the hills.

They're a little bit maybe, yeah, misogynistic. And they're maybe just thinking that women can't play like hard rock music, which is like. There's no way they're delicate hands can play guitar or drums that fast. It's like, yeah, what are they're probably going to break. They'll break a damn fingernail trying to shred on that on that axe, you know. What if they're on their period? Good question. That's always a question you have to ask.

That's one guy asking, how do they do this night after night? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually maybe what he was referring to. And yeah, it's true. I will say, listen, I don't want to sound like massages myself, but there's no chance when you see the real Iron Maiden that any of them will be on their period. He goes like candy for your ears and eyes. I've seen him at the forge and Joliet more than once.

Now we've got to be concerned about this guy. see them more than one. It's actually weirdly, like, easy to find out, like, where they live and everything like that. And, like, yeah. No, that's what he's saying. Every time I hear the venues, like, it just gives me such a specific, like, the guy, this guy's second Iron Maidon's concert in Juliet, Juliet, Illinois. Like, I see the whole scene right there. Right, right.

And, you know, our famous friend Eric Mueller calls it toilet. pill in a little. So that's like you guys know, Joliet's a real toilet. He goes, Joliet more than once and waiting for them to come back will definitely be at that show. I highly recommend men checking out these hodies. I'll definitely be at that show

in my ill-fitting suit with a bouquet of roses. And it's good. He posted the emoji with the flushed cheeks and the big eyes. Oh yeah. This is too dangerous of a concept to

unleash on this audience. Yeah, it's really, these classic rock, classic hard rock guys, you know, like, it's true. I think that there's like too much horniness in the, in the audience to have something like like like bless these women, but they need to get some kind of like insurance policy or something because what, what they're, you know, this is like experimenting with high volatility chemicals, you know?

Yeah. You're right, Chris. And it is funny that like, this is not like, it. This is not a forum. This is ticketmaster.com. I forgot that these were ticket you unleashed this concept on us the last time we did this, this episode. And I was shocked then and I continue to be shocked now that the A, that a forum to comment on ticket master exists and B, that people use it. And C, some of them are pretty horny on it. Yeah, being horny on ticket master is pretty wild. Yeah, I know. You can't get crazier than horny on ticket master.

hiding your phone from your wife and you're just looking at a ticket master post. You know, the wife comforting, like, calling her friends up and being like, I found his ticket master account. Yeah.

Do you know the Iron Maidens? There's 65 reviews of them. We'll probably have breeding everyone at some point. And finally, this guy gives them five stars as outstanding. The venue rock. The band was amazing. You would not think a female cover band would rock. You would be mistaken.

They told it. Cannot recommend them enough? Yeah. I mean, if you're, yeah, if you have taken a time machine back to like 1979, then you might not think that women could play rock and roll music. But I think there's like a few examples of it now. It's kind of weird to have that attitude in the modern day. So I love that every single one of these comments has that insane or that that's very specific

mix of praise with all. all the measured, you know, caveats that, well, of course you got to know that they're women. So bars on the floor. Yeah. Given that, I mean, come on, you know. You would think it would sound like the carpenters or something, like really soft. Yeah. Finally, for the Ticketmaster reviews, we had to check new order.

This is for Chris. And also they got in this year. Yes. This is a great review. And it reminds me of a review for a magician for some reason. this guy is guy gave him two stars this is for a new order show in houston they're good to see only once not as many great songs as the cure also the way they sung live did not impress me as much as the radio oh wait hey who are you shanaia twain relax i want to read you their headline only

played six songs i liked 33 percent of concert okay well no more new order songs if you go to the new order concert look i will say bernard summer's voice notoriously struggles a bit he's struggling a little more as he gets older. I agree that they're not as strong as on the radio, but you're going because you're charmed. You love New Order. They're old guys. And also, like,

nobody sounds as good as they sound on the radio. Yeah. That's why I don't listen to live albums because they all suck. I also like for all these legacy bands, they're still touring in their 70s. If you're not fully sold on a band where the average age is over 70, you should not go see the concert. Yeah.

They're not going to be playing. They're not going to be at the level. They're going to, it's famous. These guys are guys who are touring around singing, like, you know, like straining their voice. Yeah. So much over so many years that it's like. 50 years. Some of them.

Yeah. I always think of like the Bob Dylan shows that he was playing where you couldn't tell what songs he was playing. Yeah. I mean, that's a notorious example that Bob Dylan now is like only for the real heads where you're like, I am deep into Bob Dylan. Any like whatever he does is going to be magic by virtue of him being Bob Dylan. If you're like, yeah, I kind of like blowing in the wind and show up at a 2026 Bob Dylan concert, you're going to probably be a little baffled and a little alienated.

You're going to be scared and you're going to be like, oh, is it? Oh, blowing in the wind. Oh, no. No, it's not. I mean, that's kind of the fun of it if you're a real Dylan head. Yeah, exactly. You're looking at all the other normie idiots who are like, you probably don't even know what this song is because he's, mumbling and not playing the chords very clearly i saw you don't know you don't know all his his christian

work from the late 80s i saw uh i saw willy nelson in like 2021 or 22 yeah and it his guitar i cannot tell you how bad it sounded it just every it you couldn't understand the song he was playing because his guitar brutal wasn't like tuned right and he wasn't very good at playing it and I think you know my theory of the whole thing is like nobody wants to tell him he's got to not do the guitar anymore like he's maybe just going to sing because he's like a guitar slate you know he's like a classic yeah yeah and he's using an old guitar like his original guitar with the holes in it and stuff and it's just he's standing up there playing this guitar and it just sounds like clang clang clang clang clang clang clang it sounded so bad people around me were like

what the fuck is going on and I was laughing so I thought it was the funniest concert I've been to in a long time. Kind of sad, but still, all these guys getting mad at Willie Nelson for not sounding like Willie Nelson was crazy to me. He's in his 80s now? Come on. He's in his 90s.

Very old. And he's always on mushrooms and stuff too, I think. Really? Yeah, yeah. He got it famously. He got his tour bus pulled over and had like pounds and pounds of magic mushrooms in there. He's 92.

92 years old. So you would have seen him in his late 80s. And it's like, yeah, what are you expecting a guy who's 88 years old to do on stage? Have you met your grandpa? Like, it's not going to be sweet. He still has one of my, you're always on my mind is like, to me is like for a ballad song. You know it's not his song, but his version of it is like I still play it. We still, I still listen to it in the car.

And of course, it's like these artists still want to be doing doing these tours. And like, if you're big into Willie and want to just go commune with Willie as he does his thing in his 90s, like that can also be a man. magic experience, even if the performance is like not, you know, what he would have done 10, 20, 30 years ago. It was horrible, by the way, but I like a horrible concert experience more than most people. Yeah, you go to corn. That's not true. That concert was awesome. No, I've, I've all, even people know who listen.

I can't say that was I did enjoy it and they do put on a good concert. You were like, that concert was fucking awesome. No, I seriously did enjoy it a lot. I mean, it was, it was, they do put on a really good show and they sound really good. live. That's because most of them are like in their 30s. Yeah. Yeah, they're not. Not most of them, but they, there's some some replace. There's the new bass player. I would, uh, backwards hat over his eyebrows. Yeah. I would, I would love to see corn live. That would, that would be a, a definite hit for both me and, and, uh, my wife Molly. It really, I would really recommend it, like, as somebody who doesn't go to a lot

of concerts and doesn't even like their music particularly that like, I really, the, the, the, the crowd was like super into it. That was like, slip not for me. Whereas like this is not my thing. I'm not, I don't, I barely know any slip not songs,

but like just watching this and, and seeing all the people who are super into it and like feeling their energy from the stage. Like that feeling that feeling at those deaf tones concerts, those two deaf tones concerts I went to one of them where my brother ruined it by passing out. I had to take them back to the fucking doc like the doctor at the arena and all this. Just to be clear.

He like, he had like a medical. episode. It wasn't like, it wasn't drinking. No, he had a medical episode and Brian was all pissed off that he had to miss some of the Devtones. Last two songs, engine number nine. Uh, but the encore. They don't do an encore. That time's all fuck around, dude. They don't talk on stage. They don't do oncores. They play their fucking songs and they whip ass. And, uh, I, we, I saw them twice and like, they were never a big enough band to play arenas. they never this is their first they're they're on they were on their first arena tour like last year because young people love them like it's so awesome that bands like the deaf tones can have this

pop this late in their career i i'm so i'm so happy for for people like them the average the average audience member at this deaf tones concert had to be in their 20s it was so many it's crazy seeing like concert bills from like 1997 or like festival bills where the deaf tones are like the 30th band listed and you're like cut to and just like seeing all the groups on them and then being like deaf tones is the one that made it out and are now doing like arenas 30 years later yeah it feels like somebody being like like a second round draft pick in the NBA and it's like this crazy job yeah he's a hall of famers yeah he's a hall of famer now and he was in the second round now I don't do this very often but I actually do I have to do an early dip

and I want to apologize to Chris mostly not apologizing to Brian because if there wasn't all those fucking problems, then I would have been able to do the whole episode, most likely. But yeah, I know. I'm just joking, Brian. I understand. But yeah, Charlie has to go take a nap. And I'm solo dadding right now.

And we were no problem, Chris. We understand. I'll be in a position next weekend. And we will get that we'll finish this up. We only got a few minutes anyway. Yeah, there's only, just keep in mind that there was a break. So if you do want it to be 90 minutes. Yeah, yeah.

We'll do like 15 more minutes or something like that. Sounds good. I can play you this Peter Hook video. Oh, for sure. Oh, fuck, I miss a Peter. Do you want me to pull it up real quick? Yeah, just quickly, just quickly. Can we, yeah, just very quickly.

It's a minute and a half long. Oh, perfect, perfect. Yeah, let's hear it. And then we'll read a new order review immediately after it. All right. Because we do have that. So the context of this is some friend of a friend of Peter Hook has gotten a, has gotten a studio.

tour of Peter Hooks studio and he is super excited to play on Peter Hook's bass rig and wants to play a little bit of how much he knows the song level tear us apart so that that's what I've got for this. Wow. Wow. Wow. Oh, he gets to touch the guitar. I am. Okay, he's getting very excited. Oh, you got to get me doing this. here you go right oh here goes it doesn't sound right he's playing it on bass here

you're wrong he's wrong he's wrong this is how you actually play that fucking song idiot he's looking at him too yeah he's looking at him like he's mocking him

to use yeah to use a modern it sounds good though yeah he sounds way better and it's it's the guy was left handed so he was having to play the the the base he's like making it up i just i you know i know you guys love rock cranks and i'm a huge new new order fan and peter hook is definitely the crank the bassist peter hook is the crank of the band so i just love this clip of him yeah having a fan in his studio who's excited to play his actual base picking it up doing a very credible version of it and him being like no fuck off you're wrong wrong and we love rock guys going crazy like you do we love soli urna we love sorry bye i got to go okay great time with a twist this four stars new order exceeded expectations the sound was great

this was our first time at seven 13 club cashmere was okay not great sterile environment and bad acoustics we will not return to club cashmere here we go for anyone buying tickets to future concerts please pay attention in my day buying g a put you standing room only on the floor not at 713 music hall i bought ga tickets on first day on first day on sale i wanted to be on the floor and get their early stake out a great place to experience new order who i haven't seen in 28 years i was pumped but to my surprise when i showed up for concert my ga tickets were for the third floor standing room only along the rail which by the way that That is a new thing that Live Nation and Ticketmaster are doing where they even take the fucking floor and they split it in half.

I know we're here to complete to make fun of internet commenters, but this guy is totally right. The state of ticket sales for concert venues right now is abhorrent. They're fucking you every way that you can. I mean, my sympathies. If you buy, this guy's incredibly right. you buy a GA ticket, you should be on the floor in front of the stage. And it's just a constant, like we have to read, we have to read closely what my ticket is. You know what I mean?

It's just like they just have parsed. I've told this before, but my buddy John got me into Sonic Temple, which is a festival. My younger brother really wanted to see Metallica. Yeah. So we went together. A band I would love to see in a festival setting. I don't want to go to a Metallica. i want to see them at the end of like a day where i've seen 10 other bands and i can just walk

across a field to see metallica my wife will not go to the sphere to see metallica with me and i'm like what's the point in me making money for the first time of my life i can't go to this is fair have you been to the sphere yet i have you're rocks we we saw dead in company there it's it's definitely worth the experience please somebody tell my wife that i keep down to call her after this i would love it because she's just like you don't really want to you she she goes like this you just saw a italica last summer and you said they suck and i was like they did but i will see you still suck with 10 stories of 360 degree visuals meticulously mastered to the Brian the this in the sphere each of the seats has a speaker i've heard so like when they do like a drum cell they like turn

them on and suddenly you feel the drum in your ass it rocks and imagine not be a metallic one other band's going to play there that I'm going to want to see for real. Come on. Maybe in like 10 years, if it's not demolished, corn might maybe get to do one night. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? But, but like the issue with Metallica is the two nights. No repeat. Yes. That means, yes, you're right. Night one stinks and night two stinks. You've mentioned this before. Yes. I totally agree with your logic here. It means that no matter what night you see them, you're going to see less than a half of a show of their hits. And you're not going to hear the most, like, you can't hear the most important.

They can't play all the most important songs, right? And one night, you're not going to, you're, even one night, you're not going to get a nothing else matters. And guess what? Concert tickets are expensive. And buying concert tickets for two nights in a row is insane. And it works. The no repeats works if you're a jam band or like, like, dead or fish where you have a lot of songs. None of them are true hits.

None of them are true like must plays. Like maybe you have two or three must plays, but like all of your songs are just different versions of the experience. With Metallica, there's definitely some songs that everybody in every audience is going to want to hear. And you are choosing to remove those from your audience's experience. And they are not on there. And none of them are on 72 seasons, not a single one. Uh, this guy on our slash rock asks a good question. whatever happened to DJs is part of rock bands.

It's pretty big in the 90. See, now they're not out your turntables and getting guitars. Chris, they're not all stupid. Some of them are really smart. Yeah. He goes, those bands still use them, but newer bands and styles don't. So this becomes a really fraught thing. They get really.

One of my favorite bands from a that released a record like two years ago, Yard Act, I think they're getting ready to release. least a new record that album has a bunch of like turntable interludes on it and like samples and shit and i was like wow they're bringing it back i think this rocks and then i went to see them live no turntable guy and i'm like you're you're screwing up bring the turntable guy around probably embarrassed i'm telling you like i the new metal revival not i don't think any of the new new metal revival bands have one silly goose is the biggest one and they don't have a turntable guy but they're all it could be like a sampler and a synth per sepher

You know, like something that's like we're bringing in the electronic influence. Yeah. Silly Goose is awesome by the way, everybody. If you've never heard them, they like made their bones by pulling up on a truck. Like pulling up and having like a full trailer on a truck and playing at like gas stations and at like Taco Bells and outside of metal bands concerts or outside of festivals. Stealing a show from outside. Yeah. And they're good.

They're like limp. They sound like kind of like limp biscuit and they're fucking like 20 years old. They're just so good. I will check this out. Yeah. This guy goes, they didn't last because they sucked ass and new metal died to death. It rightly had coming to it. And I'm going to read this next one and you're going to really like it.

Because it's stupid. I'm saying this guy's stupid, right? And he has bad taste. But it's funny what he says here. If you can't find something to like out of corn, limp biscuit, Lincoln Park and slip. not maybe it's not them that sucks ass and maybe someone's a massive try hard gatekeeper which i find very funny to be like if you can't find something in these band and it's like some people don't like heavy metal dude some people just don't like something in some of the most purposely

abrasive mainstream rock music that has like ever been released maybe it's yeah limp biscuit you don't find anything and this guy goes no bro i like lots of different genres but it's garbage i've heard enough to be honest and life is short already while there's still so much undiscovered or obscure music to be found maybe try not to take things so personal boo and i'll do my best not to point and laugh while you listen to fred durst and aaron lewis fair i'm fred durst is awesome but by all accounts fantastic guy and good yeah i don't feel like the the durst reputation has only increased with time also in his reemergence in the last five years,

style guy, he is always looking very, like I love the way that he, he dresses in his like current iteration. He's looking good. The good vibes back around him. People are happy to have limp back. They are.

I might go see them, but I doubt it because they're at a festival. I don't go to a festival. The incarceration festival, by the way, and it's like 30 minutes out of town. That sounds bad vibes to me. It's at a prison.

It's at the prison that Shawshank Redemption was filled. Now, this isn't an active prison, right? You're not like, no, no, no, no. No, that would be, no, no, it's the prison that Shawshank was filmed at. This guy. This sounds a little too scary for me. I'm more of a big, fueled a festival guy. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't like any. The last one I went to was, well, the Rock on the Rain or the Sonic Temple, but that didn't. I paid, I didn't pay for that. So I don't count it. Austin City limits. I went to. I was like, this is fine, man, but I don't want to spend. See, here's my, I just wish that they would bring comedy tents back to festivals so we could get booked to perform at, at these places. I know. I know all those could be.

Imagine doing festival guys live at a music festival. Yeah, that would be fun. All right. Well, if you ever get booked for one, that's my proposal. I would come to do it with you. Well, we can't because Chris won't cross the border. Oh, yes. I forgot about his, um, his, his, his Canadian is we're doing in Canada. I mean, obviously. Yeah. I, you know, they'd love it. This guy goes, do y'all think rock music is naturally political? Now, keep in mind, we're talking about R slash rock. So we're going to get some opinions. I'll let you know that.

This guy goes, rock's more about having fun. Sometimes it's fun to rebel against the man. A lot of bands forget the fun part and just try to be political without it and ends up sucking. This guy should have to list some bands because I don't know what that is. Is he talking about rage against the machine? listen i've seen a lot of rage against the machine concerts and they look very fun dude i saw rage against the machine would zach de la rica had had broken his leg and had to sit down the entire concert and it was still fun yeah because it's crazy the music is just i don't know

how he's saying that shit sitting down that's wild the music's so good like i don't know of a band because what it's music it's naturally like fun look what fucking band is political and not Look, is art political? Some day after 6,000 years of spirited debate, we're going to get to the bottom of this question. Yeah. And so this guy goes, what do they entitled to say or complain about that's relatable to life struggles? There's no poetry waiting from anyone at ease. I mean, you can sing about going to Disneyland, but then you're just making a commercial.

I guess if that was the subject, you write about how you lost all your money there, like it was not a very good time. for any price. It sounds like it's coming from personal experience. Yeah, guy that gets way to the guy that is mad at Disneyland. Yes. Sure, you could write a song about how you booked your family and they all wanted to fly Comfort Plus and that added another $3,000 to it. And of course you had to stay at the, you know, at the, at the Tiki Disney Lounge. And of course that they charge like $600 a night per room.

And don't even give me start about how much fast pass costs for a family of five. So you could write a song about that. This guy goes, even the entitled Contemplate Mortality and Seek Meaning. This is funny. Some rich poets include Lord Byron and William Wordsworth. Writers like Nabokov and Henry James were pretty wealthy. And that is very funny to say in the rock thing. And this guy goes, I mean, what's appealing about people who only taking shit on everyone else?

More like that. And he goes, that's called the blues. Next guy goes, war pigs. Yes, it has an element of it. weird answer i mean uh rock is rebellious so it's always against the current regime that's why it's virtually banned from media so once again we're back i yeah is our is rock and roll out in media yeah is it's rock and roll mainstream pretty sure there's not much political statement and a whole lot of love or girls got rhythm elvis's signature moves were perceived as overly sexual in the day

I'd argue the roots of his existence line doing it for the nookie. You know, that's true. Like the political nature of Elvis's overt sexuality in the context of 1950s America lives on and Fred Durs doing it for the nookie. Yeah. So now this guy goes, no, evidence, ACDC. Then this next guy goes, no, the expectation that Rock should be political has ruined the joy of rock and roll. And I'm going to tell you why that happened.

This guy's conservative. Conservatives can't hack it. They can't live in a world where, listen, there's reaction. I'm sure there's some, well, wrestling. I watch fucking wrestling. You know what I mean? Yeah. This guy goes, I was about to say I thought the granite was actually a political by choice joke.

Then I realized I was in a totally different sub. Yeah, Rock's political. Always has been. Bob Dylan is a primo example. very funny guy to reference. Yes. I mean, as he is,

he has been saying forever that he's not political. Yeah. I mean, it's, this debate is always so funny to me because it really, you know, comes down to people being like, oh,

do I hear artists being like the lyrics that are like, the thing the government is doing is bad. You know, as opposed to like, is there anything about, you know, the nature of consumption or pleasure or even romantic relationships or attraction that has any kind of,

of valence about how society is structured or how we allocate resources through the economy and stuff like yeah it the the idea of getting so mad so mad about look and i love rage against the machine but also very much like you know their whole mode let me make this blunt for you guys you know yeah i always found that interesting about them is because they aren't like hiding it that's the one band they're not a lot of metaphors i mean they're There was, they do do metaphors, but you know, it's, it's not hard to decipher what, what they're doing. But that is the kind, that's the level of bluntness that something needs to have in its lyrics for the, uh, is rock political. Can rock be political? Is it bad if rock's political, uh, type of debaters need to have to engage with.

This is funny. No, it's to dody fruity, great balls of fire. Rock around the clock, blueberry hill through to rock and roll all night and party all day. We've got it wrong, but whatever. You shook me all night long and nothing but. good time. It should be about having a good time and hitting your goals. Hitting your goals. It's about getting knocking the items off that to do loose. And those items are rock, roll, shake, love. And finally, not at all. Rock is about a euphoric feeling that transcends politics. Same with my spirituality, which includes rock, health, friends and family. Rock health, friends and family. Politics is a distant thing. And finally he goes, tell me a or read the lyrics of most rock songs without telling me. So Chris, thank you for doing this again.

It's always fun to catch up. One of my, one of my favorite guest hits of the year. I always appreciate the invite. I love chatting with you guys. Love learning what's going on in the, in Nolan land. And the weird guy world. Yes. We'll get you on the stream. We'll show you some real shit. We just on our, on our, on our second, on our hot wife tier, eight dollars a month, we, just did an episode called Rocktober, which is Shocktober, but about rock stuff, where we watched Sully Erna's pandemic era podcast, the lead singer of Godsmack. Okay. Yes.

And it is fantastic. It is the worst, he's the worst host you'll ever hear. And he says some pretty psycho stuff. So like, we'll get you on to talk about something like that. We'll get you out with Pat and we'll talk about some of that stuff. I would love to do that. I will do, I'll do a plug at the very end of this. Please do.

which I, you know, I try not to oversell stuff on personal projects on Chapo to keep that pure. But I've been working with a new magazine out of New York that covers up-and-coming rock and roll artists called Antix magazine, anticsmag.com. And if you're interested in this still very vital world of young and up-and-coming rock bands with really good interviews and reviews and reviews and I think, you know, beautiful photography and layout, that is completely independent that I'm working with in a kind of producerial position with the editor out of New York and just trying to figure out how to make their thing work and exist as a real print magazine. It's like it's a beautiful object. If you order it, it's really fun to hold and to read. That's antics magazine, anticsmag.com. And if you are actually interested with what's going on with rock today among the young people, it's a good thing to look through.

Yeah, it looks great. I'll put it in the thing. We'll see you all next week. Thanks, guys. Bye.