Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 191 - Korn Guys with Chat Pile

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

This week we did another episode with another cool band that makes us look cool Chat Pile! We got to read some powerful (comedy) riffing, where did Korn get their name we have competing theories. Ticketmaster reviews where a guy didn't even get to see the show and some Shoots and Ladders theories  Listen to Chat Pile's new album Who Loves The Sun everywhere that you can listen to albums! To listen to the writers room, Chris's podcast with Bryan, Stefan, Chef Kevin, Mike and Jesse from YKS, go to patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast, Join us on the Sunday Night Stream every Sunday night at 8:00 EST at twitch.tv/notevenashowand I am on https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I am Brian. We're doing an episode close to my heart. And I have my friend, Chris, here. Yep. I'm here. I want him to be nice to me today because this one's more important than wrestling. Yeah.

Maybe a little bit. They're both on like equal footing at this point in my life. Maybe wrestling a little higher. Almost like like for wrestling guys, we did it as the 100th episode like a special episode. This is almost like a special episode because this is probably the guy. you are the most, I would say, other than, yeah, maybe wrestling, maybe Lego. No, Lego has fallen so far down. I haven't touched a Lego in months.

You sound like a drug. Let's get the guest on the show. Yeah. From chat pile, we have Stinn and Raygun. Hi, guys. Hey, what's up? And are you, and I know, I know that Stin, I know you are a corn guy. I know that as a fact, right?

You love corn, you like, you're a lifelong corn guy. What about you? That's right, baby. What about you? Are you, are you a corn guy? Would you say?

I'm not a corn guy in any way, shape, or form. Although I do appreciate some corn. Yeah, we're kind of equally matched for this episode. Yeah, I was going to say, this is kind of nice because it, I would feel a bit overwhelming for me if it was everyone was just hugely into corn. I don't hate corn. Brian and I, we've talked about, Brian and I went to see corn in, when we, in Vancouver at like an arena. And it was a very good show.

It was like, I really enjoyed myself. Was that the one where the guy was jerking off in the audience? It was no, I wish. It was not that one. No. I was at the show, the guy jerked off. Wasn't I? I think I was at the, no, maybe I wasn't.

I went to see him at Sonic Temple that one year. Yeah. And it was horrible, by the way. That festival is just a word. place in the world to be. I've never been in a worst place. I've been to so many different concerts in my life. But being at being, thank you.

Being at Sonic Temple was my personal hell to see Metallica. And I talked about it, but it's very funny. Like, Metallica is the funniest band I've ever seen in concert. I'll give them that. Yeah. Like, but not like

their banter in between songs is funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Their banters. No. It's just that there's some of the things. they do because they got they're so famous like you know how guys get like so famous that nobody's like hey maybe people don't want a a bass and guitar like riff in the middle of the show where the drummer and the singer just leaves and the bass and the guitar guy are like riffing with each other. They feel that into every single show I think and I think they localize like what they play like hey we're in Detroit so we're going to play you know Ted Nugent songs or whatever.

Yes, they do. But it sounds so bad. And they were doing like riffing on a name. They're like, this song's about cutting a fart out of your butt or something. Maybe not those exact words. Like they were trying to be funny. They were trying to like, yeah, that's the idea of like who was doing it.

It was Kirk Hammett and Robert Trujillo were on stage doing. Whatever that thing is. And it was just so weird to me to be like, it was the same thing. I saw Guns and Roses at Austin. limits in like 2019. It was my wife's dream to see Guns and Rose. It's just her favorite band.

It was awesome. They were actually pretty good, but there was a part in it where they played Rocket Queen. This is this really long song, Rocket Queen. The end of it rocks. So they get all the way through the song and then it comes time. He leaves the stage. They do a jam.

Axel Rose just leaves. And they jam for another five minute. They add five minutes to the middle of the song. He comes out. he does the end of the song. And then he's like, ladies and gentlemen, Duff McCagin, and then is going to sing the next song. And I was like, whoa. Like it was a Duff McCagan single, like a song from his solo album.

Wow. So that's two breaks in a row. And to make to make a Duff song. I know. And it's like you can feel everybody in the audience being like, I don't want to hear a Duff song. I didn't come here for that. What year was that? Because I just read a bunch of reviews saying that, like, Axel, like for new shows.

Like they're touring now. And they said that Axel Rose's voice is like a real problem. Like he did. 2019 is when I, it was 2019. Because I've seen the clips. Yeah, it's very strange. He sings in this like kind of like light falsetto. So instead of being like, welcome to the jungle, it's more like, welcome to the jungle.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People said that like the reason that you go to a show now only is for like slash. That's what they say. And then that's what the people are saying at least. They're saying like slash his snake pit is actually much better because they still play a

bunch of the old songs and then they have like a good singer or something like that. That's insane to say that's insane to hear slash slash is steak. Slash his snake pit is a band that like only to me, the only thing I think of them is they, there was a small like metal club here called the Alrosa Villa and it was like it's where Dime Bag Darrell got killed actually. It's like that's the venue right. And we went to it all the time growing up. And every time you went there, Slash's Snake Pit was going to be there in like a week to the

point where it almost felt like they had a residency there. It just makes me think of Slash's snake pit. I think this is an Ohio specific thing. I feel like. the older bands they like he needs to take these breaks right because he just can't do it anymore is that like yeah that's why he's like that's the same we talk about like james heffield would take this coffee breaks or whatever during his show i'll say this though and i i don't know this for sure i haven't been or anything but pat pat fennard he went and saw him paul mccartney hasn't taken breaks yeah yeah i guess

i guess do you guys do you guys when you guys are performing do you guys i think i don't know do you guys ever take do you take breaks like just to go two hours or whatever like they're playing for long i mean they have production and everything yeah yeah yeah we're not taking breaks uh at all i think 70 minutes is like the longest we've ever played though if we had to go beyond 70 minutes we'd need to take a break a little bit of a break yeah i mean and you got you guys have like a high i've been watching i talked about i've been watching a lot of your live shows like just like on youtube you guys have like a super high energy show. So I could see it a little bit, you know, like needing to. I think I've mentioned before. The only band I've really seen take a, or where the singer leaves for a long time was when

I saw the Brian Jonestown massacre. And it was because he was taking a drug, I believe. He's judging from his demeanor before and after his break. It seemed like he was going to take drugs in the back. I just watched a clip of them where he's completely, he's still doing his. his thing, you know? Yeah. So we famously, we played a show one time in Burlington, Vermont, and the club that we played at, it's one of those where there's like the big stage and then kind of the smaller stage. And they just have two separate concerts happening concurrently. And so we were on the little stage and then happening in the big stage was Brian Jones Town Massacre. And as we were tearing down that night, the drummer had locked himself into a closet and

guys were screaming at him. And I guess what it happened is like they had gotten in a big fight on stage. The show sort of fell apart. And then the drama kind of leaked into the backstage area where we were. And then at a certain point, they were trying to leave and they still couldn't get their drummer to get himself out of the janitor's closet. Yeah, I feel like they, yeah, I feel like it's like one of those things where it kind of sucks because they had that documentary like dig or whatever. They kind of made them famous. Yeah, that's great. I mean, it's a great document. documentary with the Dandy Warholz or whatever. But it's like, it's one of those things that happens to comedians too where it's like, now that's their schick. You know, like, that's what like people are

kind of expecting or whatever. So they're like, it just like, they're like, oh, no, it'll be good. Like people will like it if we, and I think it's one of those things as someone who's been to many B jam concerts that have gone completely awry. It's like, in theory, it sounds like, oh, it'd be cool to be there for it. It's cool to tell a story about. But when you're actually there, you're like, I would love to hear them play their songs. Yeah. You know, like, I'd love to hear them like not, like, yeah, like just fucking not a part of you that would feel disappointed if it didn't collapse.

I mean, I guess a little bit, but as it was happening, like, he started saying all this stuff at the one show. You can find a clip of the show that I went to where it completely fell apart. It's at the Commodore in Vancouver. And I watched, like, video of it and stuff. And it's like, yeah, he spends so much time yelling at the crowd, like, just yelling at people who are like not, they're not engaging. They're just saying like, I love you, man.

And he's like, you don't fucking know me, man. You don't fucking know who I am. And like just screaming at them. And it's like, after a while, you're kind of like, oh, man. And then he's, yeah, they're getting so drunk and stuff that they can't really play their songs. They're spending too long tuning their guitar, you know, like spending that too. That's one of my favorite things that people do when they're tune. I saw Deftones like really drunk one time.

They're on tour with Godsmack. And apparently Sully and the boys drink. Oh, we love Sully. I don't know if you guys, have you ever heard Sully Erna's podcast by any chance? My proxy through yours. Yes, I have. It's fantastic. If you ever want to listen to every single episode of the Sully podcast, I've done it and all of them are crazy.

Yeah, I know. You guys are on tour and stuff. So you guys are obviously, you got time to kill and stuff. And I know you guys, you know, you're obviously musicians. So you might like, you'd get some, you know, you'd have some more insight into the stuff he's talking about. Yeah. It's a very, he's very fun. and he's very he's very good at podcasting.

But yeah, so I saw Def Tones and he was so drunk that I don't think the band knew what song was coming next because he wasn't singing the right songs. You know what I mean? So they would start playing something. He'd start singing a totally different song. And then they'd stop and start playing the song he was singing. Then he would talk for a really long period of time. Then he was obsessed with the fact that he was wearing a gold necklace on.

stage and he kept going look at my gold necklace this is my big chain look at my gold necklace yeah and then out of nowhere probably shouldn't have done this they started singing fuck the police which it's like that's a minefield for like a white guy yeah absolutely so do you get I'm interested so because yeah you guys are obviously active musicians playing do you guys get do you drink before do you guys drink? Do you drink before you go on stage ever? Never before we go on stage and then after I would say it's pretty light. I mean we have early lobby calls and we're middle aged also so it doesn't it doesn't really help our cause it all to be wasted before or after the show. Might have like a beer before a show or some of a you know. Yeah. Like a nice little beer to just

wet the whistle a little bit or whatever. That seems like and again like I think you guys do have the energy. Sometimes you have the energy of the. have had a few beers on stage. But that I think is probably by design. It's mostly coffee or rebel, getting my wings. And we did it. We did energy drink,

guys. So we know, we know all about that. I wonder what, that's your stack. They call that your stack. It would be your caffeine and your coffee and your red bull. Well,

I'll say this. I admire what you guys do because and see how I'm going to move into the thing now. Yes. This is brilliant. If I do karaoke ever. I do freak on a leash. And when I'm done with freak on a leash, I need to take a nap. Like, it is the most taxing thing I do.

I walk sometimes 25 miles in one day and singing freak on a leash for like three minutes makes you want to go to bed. It's just exhausting. But we went to R slash corn. And listen, I'm going to play a sound clip real quick for everybody because we're getting ready for. four oh fucking brian i was on the wrong page i was so ready for this get ready everybody captivating nature of the power of the riff all right the power of the riff you know the captivating nature of the power of the riff that's David drayman run of wrong he's so stupid I have another one where he says he has quite a large vernacular uh but anyway this is a riff

they had a riff in the corn group what you think corn's next album will be named i think it could be named cornography oh nice when when is this when is this post from less than a year there are multiple uh corn bootlegs already called cornography so i know i think i think that's been taken sort of already yeah that's the first thing somebody thought of in fact 1994 because i had a bootleg called cornography okay yeah yeah in like 95 96 that had the Christmas song on it that gets kind of homophobic? When have they ever made puns as an album titles before? I think that would be new territory for them.

It does feel like they don't really like want to draw as much attention to the name as other people think they should. That's interesting that you mentioned that because I did some research and I learned. Do you guys probably know this? But I learned where the name comes from. You didn't because I know what you're going to say, I think. Yeah. Whatever.

You're either going to say the one I heard when I was a teenager. Yeah. or the one I've heard recently. And I think you're going to say the one I've heard when I was a teenager. So it's the one about them being at, Jonathan Davis being at a party, right? Yeah, that's right. So I'm going to read it here. So this person says, I used to have a CD with a radio interview on it with Jonathan Davis,

where he answered the question of where the name came from. So I don't know, Brian, you're saying this is untrue. This person on Reddit is saying that they had a radio interview where Jonathan Davis himself said this. Chris, I've heard. I've listened to. I've listened to and read so many interviews with this guy in my life. And he has never, I have never, ever, ever heard him say it. Okay, well, Newman, New Mainer on Reddit did hear him say this in a radio interview.

So he said he was at a party and he was telling a story about two gay guys having sex. And the one guy was eating the other's ass. The guy farted and blew shit all over the other guy's face, leaving a piece of corn on his tongue. Everybody at the party was gross. out and when Jonathan would say and would see those people he would just say corn and they'd be disgusted that's where the name came from straight from the horse's mouth so it's such a 1990s thing that's such a pre-internet thing to hear happen yeah it's kind of like maryland manson removing a rib or something i guess it lives in that camp it's true i guess until you hear

the actual rate this guy's not producing the tape of him saying it he's just saying he used to have a CD with the radio interview on it. So he doesn't even have the CD anymore. But like I do it to me it like rings true in the fact that it's it strikes me as a kind of thing Jonathan Davis and the corn boys would do where he's just like I named it after this thing that just totally freaked out the squares. You know what I mean? The word's like I just said the word corn and they were all like disgusted.

That part rings true to me. I think the idea that they were my my thought has always been that like it was a random word that came up in a conversation about band names. They thought it was stupid. But as I have always said about corn, their logo makes the word corn look scary. I'm sorry. I'm just like,

it does, their logo is so incredibly iconic and cool that the name became cool. It's the K, right? It's a backwards R too. The capital backwards are. And the font is just so cool, man. I'm with you, Brian.

That's a good one. I'm not, I think it, listen, it doesn't, it's not like, it just seems to me like a pretty normal kind of band font to me. No, not at the time. Maybe other people have, I've copied it. That's why. Listen, when I saw them the first time, I was like, I need to look like one of those guys. Now, I never looked like one of those guys. But the first time I saw them, you can, I saw a poster of them. I was like, I need to get fucking dreadlocks as soon as possible. But my small wispy hair that was going to go. bald in my 20s was not going to let me do any kind of cool dreadlocks. You kind of look like the new bass player a little bit. Okay. We saw him. We let we at the live show. He goes a little he does he crosses a line a bit for me to be honest. He crosses the line literally. He crosses a line in front of Jonathan Davis on stage as they're playing, which we were we had a big problem with. Well, you're not even an original member and you're going to walk in front of the lead singer as he's singing,

you know, um, he's going to. He's going to. got to make his mark, you know. He's, you know, it's kind of like, you know, punching the scariest guy in prison on the first guy. Yeah, he goes, he's, I feel like he doesn't fit the aesthetic. He's like obviously younger than them a little bit. He's got a backwards hat that covers his eyebrows kind of vibe. I don't know. That sounds like right on brand to me. Yeah, you're right. Now that I'm mentioning. You also, you don't want to get, listen, you don't want to get roamed. You got to make an impression. You don't want to get sublime with roamed where they fire you and then you have to tour as Rome from sublime with Rome. That's the most brutal thing. Okay, so this guy said the something, which is a play on the album, the nothing, which is their last good album. This guy, now this is funny, guys. We're about to get a big laugh. Detective Scroats and the fantabulous technical or contraption. Oh, no.

Yeah, that's something I found in reading some of these posts is that these guys' sense of humor. The corn fan sense of humor is not maybe aligned with mine exactly. What about this guy? What about this? This one's good. Corn, live on the Cobb, two bees.

Okay. So this is a more. Presupposes a live album, no. That's a lot of, it's pretty good. Yeah, corn on the Cobb is not bad.

That's more, that's more, more aligns with my sense of humor. What about ghost? Ghost of Matt said crust spelled with a K. He didn't say backwards R though. If you're going to do crust,

it's K backwards R U.S. I don't know. I think it's kind of hard to type a backwards are on Reddit. This guy says corn dogs. Okay. We're riffing now. This one's good.

This one's corn 14. And then a guy replies and goes, they already have 14 albums. Oh, shit. Oh. Somebody's got the album number. I think somebody doesn't, didn't get the Roman numerals right. Oh, I see.

Because he used Roman numerals. Corn's horns where they introduce a mariachi bass section and shit gets weird, you know. Well, they've already done bag. They already do bagpipes. Sure. Tortilla? Seriously, though, that would be kind of rad. Corn tortilla. So there's a lot of people who are going off of the corn thing. Here's another funny guy, trauma fart.

That's like an album title trauma fart. Yeah. The next chat pile is trauma fart. This guy's my joke one. Carrot with a K. One that I actually like, I don't know. So he couldn't think. Let's just say the one. This guy for some reason just says Agent Orange.

Well, he's taking it seriously. Yeah, he's taking it seriously. He's just like this would sound. Yeah, this is kind of a cool sounding name for an album. What about traditional life? He says puff. Do they smoke? No.

I don't think so. They're probably all sober. I get it. It's a corn puff. I don't know why this one. This guy just says. turning point. Oh, that's a Charlie Kirk fan.

The most serious. Oh, that's funny. Isn't it a Charlie Kirk thing? Yeah, it's a Charlie Kirk thing. Maybe, yeah. What about N-R-O-K? Like backwards. That's corn backwards.

Yeah. What about I think it's, but it is Nork, right? Or wait. Well, that's hard to say. It's N-R-R-R-K. Yeah, it's N-R-R-X. Because we used to say that sometimes when we were, like, being secret. Like, we're going to listen to some Nor-R-R-R-R-R- You know,

I mean, we thought it was cool to say Naraj. Wait, who were you hiding corn from? Yeah. We were young and stupid. You guys were like, you guys were hopping gas and committing violent crimes and you were embarrassed about. I don't want my dad to hear my dad hated corn. If there was one thing in this world that my dad hated, because my dad likes prog rock. He's like, he's like his favorite album, I think is Pink Floyd Pulse.

And then the only other album, he's ever. recommended to me in all of my life is chicken foot, which is an insane album for a guy to like because that you just can't get worse than chicken foot. Is this one of- Michael Anthony, Chad Smith, Steve Satriani. Joe Satriani. My dad loves Sammy Hagar. So he went and saw the guess who when he was young.

Well, that makes sense. Yeah. And because Canadian, he's a big fan of Canadian things. He loves Canadian. culture unfortunately though sammy hagar open and everybody in a crowd just wanted to hear more sammy agar that's yeah that makes it hard to believe though guess the guess who is huge they had so many hits you know if you're going to their concert you'd be stoked to see them no matter what i feel like that's one of those stories afterwards that's my dad it's like it's we've talked about this a million

times about comedians when when you go see a comedian and you're like oh i thought the opener was actually better than the headline i always yeah He only has to do 15 minutes, and so he gets to do all his best material. And it's, like, much better watching someone do comedy for 15 or 20 minutes than it is for an hour. Do you guys, do you guys ever watch standup? You guys don't kill Tony? Do you ever watch standout? Do you guys watch standup at all?

You know, I used to actually be a big stand-up guy, but then a podcast kind of took over in my life. So I've abandoned all that. Yeah, that makes a big stand-up guy. You're a big movie guy. I know that. You're a huge movie guy. You're a film guy. So here's a thing for, and it's good that we have musicians on here because this is important for us to really get out.

Corn using the same structure every time. Corn are an amazing band. And some of their songs are absolutely top tier, unique and insanely well put together. That said, I've been noticing a pattern, especially in their more recent album. It's been going on for a while now. A lot of the songs seem to follow the same structure. And many of the choruses sound really similar. If you start listening, the heavy riff kicks in and you're hooked.

J.D's vocals are always on point. Love him. Maybe some heavier vocal parts here and there. The chorus hits and gets stuck in your head. But then you suddenly realize you already know what's coming next. You can almost predict when a breakdown or something like that's about to drop. Is it just me noticing this? Or do you guys hear it too?

Maybe I'm wrong. First comment. First comment as the guy goes, did you just now discover verse chorus, verse pre? Yes. I was going to say, that's not corn. That's like music. That's pretty much all music, yes. But they are right, and that there is definitely a corn structure in every single song.

But there are two types of bands in the world. There are bands that try to mix things up every single album to, you know, success or failure sometimes. And then there are bands that do the same thing that you expect. And that's what you want from them, you know, every single album. Like ACDC or something, right? Corn is definitely in that. category where you know what you're going to get with a corn album there will be no surprises and what would you want what kind of prog rock now listen now that i say a prog rock corn album i'd be interested

in hearing it acoustic acoustic album from them or something they have that already unplugged in new york unplugged they also have fieldy has a jazz album i don't know if you know that it's called basically i don't basically b a s s do you know about field That's the worst album in the world. That's the, that. Rock and roll. Rock and roll.

Wait. It's the worst album ever made. He has an album called Fieldy's dreams. Oh my God. Child vigilante, dude, you got to listen to this song. Amazing.

It's a rap album, Chris. And it is brutal, man. They do have a bit of a hip-hop influence car. No, Fieldy doesn't, Fieldy's bad.

Like I said, the album's called basically B-A-S-S-S- like bass, like the guitar. Pretty cool. base, it's a jazz album. Focusing on bass. So it's bad.

Like everything field he does sucks except for corn. This guy goes, we all know that the top, the number one guy other than Jonathan Davis is the monkey. Everybody knows that the, like, we listen to corn for the monkey, see him up there doing his little,

uh, uh, stuff. He doesn't do that. To me, this guy goes, in my mind he does. In my mind,

he's doing monkey type stuff. I saw a video of him drunk. And it was like, oh my God, the monkey drunk. Like, this is, now I've seen everything, you know. He goes, this guy goes, progressive and experimental music exists. And plenty of traditional bands keep things interesting by adding interludes, jammy instrumental sections, pre-chorus, random solos, breakdowns and cool places, et cetera.

Like corn used to do. This honestly feels like a lazy excuse for lazy composition. So he's saying that like old corn, they used to do this and now they've become like commercialized. They did it. The first corn song sounds like the second corn song. Yeah, they kind of came out the gate knowing exactly what they were doing. And they haven't, I mean, there's been some superficial changes here and there, like some dubstep stuff, you know, for sure. They did a dubstep album. There's an scrylix. They did it with screlix. Yeah. And their fans did not like that album at all. Yeah. I saw them on that tour. And it was.

like the most sparsely attended show of theirs I've ever been to, but you guys might be excited to know that Big J. O'Kerson opened the gig. And then I later that night ran into him in a truck stop bathroom in Kansas on the way home. So that's fucking, that's one of the cool that, listen, I will say not to brag, but I have also, I've met Big J. O'Cerson in New York. And I hung out with them. Yeah, finger, glove tips, not, not necessary. At that hangout. Yeah, he's this guy is the fingerless glove king. And I can, he definitely has like a vibe of somebody who would go to a corn show.

I feel like. I feel like he's like a classic corn guy. This guy goes like corn used to do when? We used to cover songs from the first couple albums in my old band. And they were basically built around the same structure like 90% of songs are. This is not a criticism. These things become common for a. reason and it's because they work.

And then, uh, I think of ace of base. All that she wants is another baby and I saw the sign. I remember when I was younger, I was just like, this is the same shit. You know what I mean? Like this song sounds so similar to the other one. One's minor key. One's major key.

Yeah. And I was like, oh, I guess this is like kind of what bands do. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they find something that works. Who did the broo fish. They also had three singles that are like this. same song you two joshua tree is kind of a similar situation yeah and it's funny because you're like

you're like this dumb guy was sitting somewhere at his house playing corn probably smoking smoking on the back porch of his house listening to corn and being like this song sounds like the last song and then he had yeah what i think i'm just i think i've discovered something what what's the there was a there was a comedian like just for laughs who would do the thing where they would put the two Britney Spears songs over top of each other. Like, like, so playing them at the same time and showing just exactly how similar it is, you know? There's a famous nickelback meme that happened a long time ago with the same thing, where the songs just are in the same key and have, like, have the same structure.

I've seen one for Lincoln Park, too. Yeah, Lincoln Park, my first ever concert, Lincoln Park. Problematic band. Canceled. Canceled. I went there. I've said I bought them for my girlfriend at the time, thinking she was going to bring somebody else to the show bought her two tickets to her favorite band lincoln park and then she's like oh

i guess we're going and i was like oh yeah i guess okay i guess that's what's happening and uh yeah i didn't have a friend who likes this crap go yeah and p o d it was the was one with p o d open for them yeah that's yeah the guy goes no i don't i think i understand what he means i think he knows that songs usually structure around this however corn is using the same chord progression and or melody to create the hook corn have played it safe for a while and this new song is just similar vein to previous song layouts. I could have predicted the song before I was a release. It's a safety net. Or unless you have just discovered that song structures go this way then.

And then this guy goes, they never been super complicated with their compositions. They're not a Prague band, so I wouldn't expect them to be. But they were at least creative back in their heyday. Yeah, back in their head of they were creative. I don't know, may I point you to shoots and ladders? We're going to read some shoots and ladders comments a little. Oh, I got some shoots and ladders comments as well. Because I looked at.

I just discovered something. Chatpie, you're here for a discovery. Okay. We've done so many bands. We've done a few bands, right? We've done Metallica, the Beatles, uh, Kiss. I think that's it, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Early, early Dave DeVar. Oh, tool. Okay. Oh, yeah. I did not. Oh, they got some. I'll tell you what about their time signatures.

Sacred geometry, yeah. Here's a good argument. We got ourselves an argument, which we love, forum argument. Corn is a four album band. Cannot change my mind. What does that mean? It means our first four albums are the only good ones.

And that was that when What's His Name was still in the band or is that? Yeah, head was in the band for all those albums. And by the way, be honest with you, those are the only four I listen to. I like the nothing. but I don't like anything between like issues and the nothing. Stan, how are you feeling about that? Do you agree for album band?

The original run with head, I would say all those albums are excellent. So that's going to be the first album up to take a look in the mirror. And then once he leaves, they put out a string of their worst albums to date. So you've got, see you on the other side, Path of Totality, Corn 3 and Corn 2.

The one with the white album, the white cover is like, the worst. All ballads and stuff. Yeah. The serenity of suffering is one of them. Well, that's after. That's a new.

That's a head reunion album. Because head came back, right? Yes. And then when he comes back, they bring back that classic corn formula that everyone's mad about. Yeah. And I would say those albums are decent, but Brian, I disagree with you that I think their newest album is like one of the weaker entries.

I don't like the newest one. I hate the newest one. I love the nothing. Oh, yeah, the nothing. Nothing's got a couple gissau's on it. That album's crazy good. This guy goes, why do people always say this when they see you on the other side and untouchables exist?

Do you all even just listen to stuff or just copy and paste the same comment? And a guy goes, those albums don't exist for me. Huh. This guy just lives in a world where corn stopped making albums out before. Because those albums don't exist for me. Maybe since your new age corn fan they do. I'm a 90s corn fan and old enough to say so. okay this is this is this guy Brian I don't want to be rude here but this guy kind of sounds like you

well then this guy this guy sounds like more like me this is how you talk about corn this guy goes I've been a fan since 95 and see them over 20 times and I met them three times and I think you're wrong now what oh hang on a second he's met them three times that like that matter down to earth This is what matters for sure. Very down to earth guys. I can imagine the monkey is down to earth. Actually, we did. We met the monkey.

We met the monkey when we played Hellfest and honestly he was the nicest most down to He seems nice. He seems so chill. That's what I'm saying. I love the monkey. I'm like he's hands down my favorite member of porn. So that's, you know what? That makes me feel so happy to find out the monkey's nice in real life.

The guy comes back. The guy does come back. And now he's getting a little just goofy. I've seen him 100 times. I've been a fan since 94. Okay. This, what year earlier? It's like an S&L sketch where there's this, what's her name?

She plays this character that's just like, that's, I just watched one of the sketches where it's just like someone's like, yeah, I did this five times. It's like, I did it six times, you know? Yeah. And that's what this person feels like. The guy goes, I've been listening since 94. So see you on the other side. And Untouchables are great album. Stop Gaykeeping.

And he goes, I never cram my opinion down your throat. Your miles may vary. And he goes, that's exactly what you did. And he said, no, I said my opinion and stood on it. I never told anybody else what to do. And then the guy goes, oh, no, it's the OG corn fans. They have the worst opinions ever. And then he goes, yet we pave the road for you.

Whoa. That's awesome. Hell yeah. He's right. You guys paved the road in the way. In what way did you pave the road? by listening to the road. You know, back when I was a kid,

a guy might call you squirrel boy all the time for liking corn. And I fucking went through that. Yeah, we had to go through the trenches being early corn fans. It's definitely true. Yeah, people are like, oh,

yeah, that's a good point, Reagan. Is it, did it ever become cool to like corn? Yes. In my mind, not now. It's not cool to like corn now in like the mainstream.

It feels like it's never really changed. I do think, am I wrong? about this? Am I wrong about this? That they that they were like considered to be like not a super heavy or hard band. Like they were considered like when they got their popularity, they were considered like almost like a pop version. No, it depends on kind of what point in time. Because like for the first two albums, I think critically speaking, people would have considered

them like an underground heavy band. I've been saying this too. That's one. Yeah. But then in 98, when fall, the leader comes out. it explodes and that's when the tide changes they become kind of this like and that album in itself has like a slicker you know pop kind of production to it yeah and so from that moment forward um and then on top of that what does not help their case at all is that they inspired a hunt you know

a whole generation of the worst music you've ever heard in your life oh hey oh i guess we're we're talking shit about seather now we're saying seather sucks we're saying click click click Boom isn't good. Follow the leader has has like freak on a leash and stuff. Is that? Yeah. Yeah. It also has the worst song of their entire career, which is all in the family.

The rat battle. Yeah, the rap battle between John Davis and Fred Durst. The proffin slurs and stuff. Yeah, it's full of like homophobic slurs and all kinds of fun stuff. Yeah. They have some if they have some iffy stuff, I will say. Yeah, like in doing some research, I found that, yeah, they have a lot more bigotry in their music than I expect it.

Accidentally. Okay, this guy goes, this guy goes, hate to say it, but they have no new riffs. No new vocals. No new drums. No new time signatures. No new ideas. Nana. As much as I hated that Scrillax collab,

at least it was different. Honestly, if they put it on an acoustic record at this point, I'd be totally fine with that. Also, bring back David for fuck sakes. Is David the original bassist? Original drummer. And people really want him back, but he he is so washed like there's no there's no world in which he should come back to the band he's bad and like oh go watch his camp i was going to bring some of his cameos on the show

because like he he was like a calvin klein model and stuff like it's like this good looking guy you know i read a thread about him actually i didn't bring it but i read a third about him where it was like where they were talking about how he's the all they were they were like the outcasts and then and then Like the irony is that they like they actually outcast this guy, David because he was like, he was the kind of guy that would bully Jonathan Davis or whatever. And then they would sort of, he was like there became their punching bag. And like in the ultimate irony, they became the people outcasting other people. Yeah.

It's messed up. I can read that, but that's kind of deep. Now, so I just want to be clear then. So who are the members now of corn? Monkey head. Right. Monkey head. Monkey head and

Jonathan Davis. And then there's Ray Lucier and the base guy, the little short bass guy with the backwards head. Again,

I've said this before. If you're going to, if a guy's going to leave the band, you got to find a fact. If a fat bass player leaves the band, you need to get a fat bass player to replace them. It's just the way it is.

Yeah. So that like aesthetically, when someone looks at the band, it doesn't look different on stage. I promise you, there's probably a good 60% of people in the audience who do not notice that there's a different base.

player on stage. Yeah, yeah. I think that's good. I think that's good. It doesn't like freak them out or whatever or make them like all scared about it. So then who so who is the guys that have left then? David. I mean, David. That's it. And Fieldy. Field he's out now, but Field he's still in the band. As a casual. I think he did a Christian thing. They all go Christian. For some reason, everybody at corn goes Christian and they're like, I can't be a corn anymore. You know what I mean? I feel like I feel like David his fucking his goose was cooked. Just look at. his name. You got, I guess, Jonathan Davis, but all the other ones have these

fucking cool-ass names and then he's David. And it's like, I would feel like if I was David, like they're looking for a replacement for me with a cooler name, you know? And they're calling Jonathan Davis Jay Devil now. That's his dubstep name, actually. That's his

dubstep name. Jay Devil. You go see Jay Devil live and he won't play a single corn song. Oh, he's a DJ. You go see him live. He doesn't play a horn song. It's the funniest thing in the world to me. That's cool. Nice. Hey, I got some Ticketmaster reviews.

This is from Do you guys ever check your Ticketmaster reviews? You guys sell tickets on Ticketmaster and do you ever check the reviews? I don't think we sell through Ticketmaster. I think you're probably on there. I would guess. Yeah, it's important to see because there's a lot of really important opinions. Yeah, like you guys might help you with some of your shows. Yeah, exactly.

Right, and it might help you just like a lit with stuff like like keep in mind sometimes that the beer lines are very long line. The beer lines are long and that's your fault do stuff about that. That might actually help the overall experience. They do really treat it like the band should come in and be like, well, I'm going to whip this place into shit. I don't staff the venue correctly. People love to do that to us as well. Like we recently had to swap a venue in Houston because the original venue was doing. some shady fascist kind of stuff.

Oh, I had to do that once. And there were people messaging me being like, hey, change the venue in my city. They kicked me out for being too drunk one time. It's funny because we had to do that once with Street Fight. Like we got a place in Minneapolis and then somebody messaged us. It was like, that is not a good place. So we ended up finding a different place. It wasn't, I mean, technically, it was.

the other place would have been better because of a set up for live shows. The place we ended up was like a restaurant. Yeah, it happened. I think this is for, this is mostly for Chris, but this is the concert we went to. Chris and I went through together. This is the Vancouver show.

Again, great time. I had never heard chutes and ladders before. And you loved it. And it blew my fucking mind when he started singing they ring around the rosy, well, first you were laughing. first, first you were laughing at the bagpipes already.

First I laughed at the bagpipes because he made this big production of pulling on the bagpipes and everyone was like, oh shit. Like everyone around was like, holy shit. And I was like, are they being serious? Are they making fun of them? Like, is this actually considered cool? And then I was like, I looked at Chris and was like, this isn't even the part of the song I'm worried about you hearing.

You know what I mean? Yeah, we haven't even started yet. Yeah. Yeah, it was like I was like having, it was, it was. one of my better concert experiences was like seeing a bunch of fucking grown men all sort of like head banging to this like you know knick knack batty whack give a dog a bow that's it's dark you know what i mean that's the point of the song it's in theory it's maybe a good idea you know to be like highlighting the darkness of it but then when you actually do it and you're

on stage playing this music and you're singing like london bridges falling down the chorus is is I will say this. The chorus is nursery rhymes are said versus in my head into my childhood. They're spoon fed. Hidden thoughts revealed darkness that seems real. Look at the pages that spawned all this evil. Yeah, no, I get that. But again, you're still, you're still on stage singing nursery rhymes. That's true. For every show for the last 40 years, by the way. That's a bummer. Yeah. You have that is, it's funny that you have to. Now, they don't, they're These corn isn't a band that like follows they don't follow the leader yeah they don't follow the leader straight up. I'll say this every single corn concert should start with the song blind it's just it's the first song it has like a really good does it have like a really good intro to

yeah are you ready famous intro yeah okay did they start they start that they did when we went but there were years where they didn't and it's like they're closer for years I see. It's like, what are you guys fucking doing? You know? And it's funny to do that as your closer. They have bigger songs than that.

You know, by the way, there was a guy on the corn suburb. If you ever go to the corn subreddit, uh, sort by controversial. And there's this guy. There's this guy that posts dream set lists of corn.

And it is the most guy that's a really big fan of something. I feel it'll be like looking into a mirror. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because he's like, I think they should open with Mr. Rogers and then maybe play acid. Mr. Rogers. Holy shit.

Is that about Mr. Rogers' neighborhood? No, dark, actually. Quite literally. It is. It is about Mr.

And that's on the second album. I think they were like, well, we did shoots and ladders. Yeah, we need another shoots and ladders type of. Yeah, yeah.

We need to recreate the fucking magic that was shoots and ladders. Do you guys have it? Do you guys have a set list? Do you guys have a song you always open your shows with? No, we actually don't use a set list at all, so it does change all the time. But our song... That's good.

Yeah, that's good, I think. We have a song called I Am Dog Now that is kind of like our blind and that it gets the crowd all hyped up. So we do lean into that sometimes. Yeah, that's cool. I like that song. I like that song. It is a good song. Do you guys like playing it or is it now you guys like...

Yeah, I mean, it's... I think that when you've been in a band for like as long as those guys have, like, I... anytime there's an interview where people are like, do you ever get tired of playing this? Of course they're going to say no, because people like it. Like this is the song that gets people going. Like they usually do shoots and ladders right in the middle of the show. And so everybody's like, oh my God, you know, this thing's picking up. There's also an element too that like when you've been playing a song for so long and you can,

you can play it well, it makes it more fun because you don't have to think about it. You can kind of engage with the crowd a little bit and stuff. So I could see playing like blonde. for 40 years how it would be extremely fun to do every single night, you know. Everybody knows the words and they, like, I don't know what that's like because I'm, you know, I'm not a band or whatever. You have had everybody chant flub, flub, flub, flub at you when you made a mistake at the live show.

So that's probably the same. It'd be a little different. That's the same feeling for me, I feel like when everyone starts chanting flub at at Brian when he makes a mistake, it's just like I've kind of know what it's like for you guys to play I am dog now. Well, this guy gave it five stars. and he said rock on and his uh i just want to read this for chris because i think you'll love it old dudes giving her and having a good time great show that's a canadian classic canadian

givener that's from like foobar if you guys ever heard of foobar you guys know that you guys guys the concert was the two stars the concert was okay songs vibe ambiance were good this is a two star review So the songs, the vibe and the concert was okay and the ambiance were good. But the length of the show is too short. I was surprised when finished. Normally the artists do two to three songs afterwards. Oh, they just didn't have the encore. Yeah.

But you don't deserve an encore. And I don't know this for sure, but I've seen corn a million times. I don't think they're an encore band. Yeah, they just play all the bands. Or they play all the songs, the big songs, right? They just do those before. Yeah. Because there were, there are encore bands, ones that do it on every show and they factor it into

their. And listen, I know this is wrong. I leave. I got, concert's over. I'm out of here. I just saw the strokes. Yeah, we were walking out as they were playing their encore. Like, should have played it before?

What if they're saving your favorite song for the encore, though? Well, I didn't. I'll be honest with you. He's not a big strokes guy, so he doesn't really have it. I am. I like the strokes. But it's mostly for your family, right? That was mostly for your family.

No. You like the, what's your favorite stroke song then? What is your big song? You know, when I was a guest DJ, I played Soma. Okay. Yeah. That's cool.

So there you go. I was a big stroke. I was hugely, Strokes was my second concert and the first concert I actually chose to go to. Was that was the strokes and I loved it. Here's the type of thing you guys could learn from ticket master reviews. Also, the volume of the music was too high, not enjoyable at all. Yep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I have found that sometimes these concerts be so loud, man. It's like, turn it down. Water's too cold and the water's too loud. Yeah. It does feel like, yeah, I mean, I watched some of your guys' concerts again on YouTube and I was thinking to myself, this music is awfully loud. You know, there's people right there, you know, they're right standing right beside.

And you guys are like so loud. Here's what Clay from Calgary thought. He gave them two stars. and he said, paid a very large amount of money for my tickets. And the headlanders only played for an hour. This kind of information should be available when you buy your tickets, which is I love the idea of like the runtime being on your ticket. Like a movie.

I feel like they, I feel like they did play for longer than an hour. Was that the Calgary show he's talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, because that are. No, they only play about an hour. I mean, listen. I feel like they played about hour 15.

Well, yeah. An hour 90 minutes. minutes or yeah, yeah, even like 70 minutes. Like over an hour is great. You know what I mean? 70 minute. If you've been around for a long time and you've got a lot of hits you've got to get through, I think like 70 to 80 minutes is probably like the sweet spot. Yeah, yeah. This guy goes, Gojira was very good. The first band, Loathe was very dark and difficult to see. I thought they were saying that it was like dark. like the music, but no, I physically couldn't see them. I can't see their faces. But it's a ticket master review, so you knew the guy was having a weird. It was definitely going to be a weird thing.

We didn't see the openers, right? Because we were watching the soccer game. No, I don't care about seeing any open. And corn had their volume set in such a way that the music was way too loud. And the vocals were impossible to understand. The only reason I had any idea what he was singing is because I already knew the words. I expect a, I can. he could imagine what he was saying because he's heard the albums before.

I mean, these people, and this is such. Well, and then this guy, there's a thing that indicates that maybe this wasn't the band's fault at the end of the review. So he goes, I already knew the word. I expected a better sounding performance from a band who's been touring for so long. We had the same experience with Metallica in 2016. This guy might have hearing problems. This is a good one-star review.

And here's another one, guys, that if you're on Ticketmaster, you get this kind of help. Okay? He goes, spent three hours trying to park just to be told no parking available. Have you guys ever considered going out into the lot before a show and just making sure that everybody has a place to park? Because otherwise, how can they literally come in and watch you? Well, he says, I just left and never got to see corn.

Oh, brutal. That's awesome. That is brutal. Parking's an issue sometimes. I'm going to a baseball game recently. And the Vancouver Canadians, they sell out all their games. And parking is an issue, you know.

I don't think, I'm going to say this. I don't think it should, it's ever really going to take three hours to find a place to park. Yeah, I think, you know what I mean?

I can't even imagine trying that long to find a parking spot. I would think that after, after 45 minutes to one hour, I would give up or try to like figure out a different type of problem solving, you know? It makes you wonder if it was event parking in all the garages and stuff around because they do that here where I live. They change it to $10 to park when there's an event or 20 or 25 depending on demand of the event. It makes you wonder if he just didn't want to pay event parking prices and was driving around looking for a free parking. 100%.

what happened. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a question. Why is corn named corn? Well, we've already covered this. No, we know. It's because of the guy, eating the guy's ass and then he farted and shit all over his ass and his corn went on his tongue. So asked an answer. Let's move on to the next one.

Well, he goes, true story. As I relate on my YouTube channel, sanity's void. I went to a corn. That's a channel. Sanities void is such a like high school name for like a dark metal. And then using Cora to plug his channel is amazing. Sanity's Void is the name of my YouTube channel is. It's such a funny name because people don't name their YouTube channels like,

you know what I mean? Like Chival didn't come on and be like. like I'm going to name it something really dark. They're just because there's I guess, uh, Brian head welch has a podcast. We'll look into that at another time, Chris, for sure. I went to a corn show at Dream Street in San Diego in 1994, six months before corn signed a deal and put out their first album. Okay. So this is OG. This guy who was there before it was cool. He paved the way for all of us. Yeah, he paved. This guy's away for me. This guy's a way paver. He's a way favor for sure. Yeah. He was before me. Walking on. Yeah. The

ground that you're walking on right now. You can have this guy to thank for that. That road. Okay. Anyway. We need like a Vietnam Memorial wall for the early corn fans. Like, yeah, listen, it would be uncool to like corn if these guys didn't, if you're not walking in these guys' footsteps. He goes, I was there early and went at the urging of the singer who was in the band. I was at, I was at the time by the same name as my YouTube channel.

So that was. Oh, so now he's pushing a plug up for his band. But that's a early. Maybe as old band possibly. Yeah, so Monkey and Head were both hanging out in front of their car. I think it was a Camaro. Cool, man. Very cool.

Very cool. That's awesome. That sounds like they're almost going Don Aaron mode there. I know. They're going to shut up. I knew the word Camaro. I knew Don Aaron was coming soon. John Aaron is this guy who was a leader of Brian's gang.

I think he still knows me and him. Yeah, like he was the leader. leader of the gang and everyone around town called him Don Aaron. He went to race car school. And he, what, he had two different types of cars, right?

Wow. Well, he had a barretta and a Camaro. And a Camaro. By the way, he didn't build a Camaro himself. Yes,

it was in high school. It's because his dad died. By the way, yeah, he didn't build the Camaro himself indicating that he did build the barretta. This guy is very cool. Yeah. He could put the system.

He did have, the the speakers installed to the bretta had the like bump and rap system yeah but he used it to bump Stevie ray Vaughn he was a big Stevie Ray Vaughan head everyone was listening to the corn and shit and he went like his own way and was listening to stevie ray bonner hell yeah Brian says that wasn't cool but to me it's literally the least cool music a high schooler could be listening to it's Stevie Ray Vaughn. I can't think of a less cool type of music. And yet he was the leader of the game. He wasn't. I was

we were jockeying for position. He never was full leader. I was most of the time the leader. So Monkey and Head were both hanging out in front of their car. I think it was a Camero. They had a half stack in a trunk. We're just chilling. So I went up to them and was hanging out. I asked them what corn means. You know, any special hidden meaning? They just

looked at me and said, just a name, man. And that was that? They seemed like they were on downers or boring to, boring me to death so I laughed. They were, they were boring you to death. So just to be clear, you don't think maybe,

I'm under the bus real quick. I feel like maybe it's like a little opposite to what he is remembering and that they were not really maybe feeling his vibe and not engaging him. So what does your band name mean? Yeah.

You know, I'm in a band. You know, I'm in a band. Yeah. I'm actually. insanity's void. Sanity's void. I can tell you what that. I can tell you what that means. You know sanity, like when you feel sane? Imagine not feeling that. Like the absence of that, man. You want to know my band. He probably was talking about his band the whole, because that's what

happens sometimes. Like, you meet, like, I've met guys at shows at that podcast and they're just telling me all about how they do their podcast and their podcast. And I'm like, that's the last thing I want to be talking about really. I mean, I'm glad you have a podcast, but, you know. I have a question. What does chap pile name? You know, where'd you come up with that name? I mean, I know what chat.

Every interview. Literally. Yeah. They were very different on stage. I was very impressed. What they were doing was cutting edge and knew. My singer would hang out with them for an album or two before they got to be huge rock legends. So he knew a guy.

The singer of Sandy's Void was a friend with corn, early corn. Always hanging out with corn. This guy asks, which band is better? Corn or Metallica? I'd say Metallica. No. Once again, it's difficult to state who what, which is better than the other, but I'll put in my opinion, I tend to favor corn on the grounds that they were not as predictable

as Metallica. The low, dirgy bass and moody themes with two guitars who bounced off each other with weird intervals and bordering on creepy harmonics, whatever happened to them anyway. But I didn't really take their, I didn't really take to their fair. singer and or the band's overall seemingly contrived image. Give me deaf tones any day or night. Now, that's a Brian guy right there. That is me.

That is me in 1990. I'd say seven. When, when corn started to become mainstream, you were kind of like, I actually prefer the deaf tones because they're still kind of underground. Well, that's the deaf tone. So the deaf tones are the smart man's new metal band. Right. Like so every and and a lot of times

Interesting to say about the band that you like. It is. It just is like all the guys that like all the guys that like aren't like they end up like in deaf tones. I've always thought about more as the horny guys new metal band. Yeah. Yeah. They do sing sex songs.

That makes more sense to me knowing Brian. Not to say Brian's not smart, but I would say like if I was giving a list of things that he is, that horny would be much higher up the list than Slar. I think they're both on the list, you know? But of course, like, yeah, he's sucked on titties for three hours, like, regularly. Yeah. You guys should write a song about that.

You guys should write a song about that. Imagine a guy who he's having sex, but he just sucks on the titties for three hours and he doesn't do anything else. And, like, the girl wants him to do more. Couldn't even be a good song. It could be a good song. It could definitely be a good. They could make it a good song, 100%.

That's just an uninteresting thing, like, song meaning. Territory to me. It does. It does. Thank you. Well, this is for musicians. Since there were musicians, I wanted to read this because it's very funny. And what's with all this?

Jason Neustadt is a better bass player than Stanley Clark and Jocko Pastorius put together, Graeme. I have never heard that once in my life. I have either. I like it. I'm not here for it. That's like, hot of town. That's like, yeah.

Reagan's like, that's my new opinion. I actually have a new opinion. This guy says, Metallica, hands down. Corp. Chords and ladders has so much potential. Be wise as genius. But the lyrics are just terrible.

That was for Chris. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And it's hard to even, I don't know how you can even pay attention to the music behind the song, right? Like, I don't know how you can just ignore. You got the pages that cause all this ease.

I was going to do twist on here for you guys. Ooh, that's a good one. I'm so, yeah, it is, but it's an embarrassing. I can do it. I can do it.

Because it's embarrassing. I mean, just do a little bit of it. No. You got to run that. There you go. I did the beginning. It's just scatting.

It's one of his scatting size. It's a whole. It's a full scat song. He says twist. He says twist. That's the only actual word in the song. Yeah. Yeah.

He does all his scatting. I forgot that. I mean, it makes sense based on the name of the damn band. It's perfect. Honestly, it's perfect distillation of what they can do. So we've been,

we've lately been really having fun with people meeting celebrities. Like their story about meeting celebrities. And I did. find is Jonathan Davis from Korn a nice guy on Kora? Well, we know the monkey is now. You guys have met you guys, but then again, you guys are, who knows if he would act the same? Because you guys are like, we're in the brotherhood together. You're in the brotherhood.

You're like musicians as well. So he might treat you differently than he would if like I came up to him and said like, hey, me know, a monkey, you know, like. He might. Hey, why? Hey, the monkey, will you sign my banana? Why'd you call the band corn? Yeah, why'd you call the bag?

I heard a story about that going on the back of their Camaro. So the first sentence of this is the perfect I met a celebrity sentence ever. To call Jonathan Housman Davis a nice guy is a great understatement. I've had the pleasure of meeting with him personally. And as a huge fan of corn, I've been following him and a boys religiously since 94. up until I can't anymore. Now, that part was weird. I think he means physically follow them possibly on tour.

That might be what it is, right? Where it's like now he has a job or whatever in a family and doesn't allow him to. Admittedly, in the early days of corn, he was a bit of a partier, as we all were. And sometimes we drink a lot more than he or anyone should for that matter and go on these little tirades. I would hate to hear those tirades. Yeah, judging from some of the song there, I would imagine, I would imagine the mid-90s, John of the day is. of the day's tirades might not be safe for today's climate. That's true.

It's scary. No question. Yeah. It's scary to think of what those guys were talking about on the bus in 1994. Like the dumbest guys in the world. Are they dumb? Hanging out with Marilyn Manson and shit. Yeah.

Yeah, they were boys with Marilyn Manson. I heard he got his rib removed, actually. I heard he was Paul. the wonder years. Yeah, the wonder years. I do remember that. Definitely. He goes, but thankfully, he was the first and the now completely sober band to find sobriety and completely forego the rockstar lifestyle in turn for the quiet, loving dad and husband. He's aggressive on stage and gives the fan the best of himself every time. And afterwards, he's the soft-dispoken, almost shy, bordering socially awkward guy you've ever met. Check out any interview with him and the rest of corn. They're

funny. And lots of fun watching. Chris, we'll play on Guys Plus, we'll play corn interviews because they are, they are funny. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I said, there's, I found these posts. There's all these posts. They do a lot of the on the corn Reddit. They do a lot of like wrong answers only.

Like they're doing that shit a lot, you know? And like I found a bunch of them like doing their humor. And it's like just a picture of Jonathan Davis. And it says, who's this wrong answers only? and then it's like here's some here's something for you guys these i love it oh wait wait wait before you say it captivating nature of the power of of the riff yeah so number uh we got santa that's funny uh jesus that's less claypool from system of a down he's a great guitar player larz all rich it's here's a funny one you guys are going to get this too this is a me this is a few music

references in this one that's kurt cobane from nickel back uh p s if the only song you know him by is in the end you're a poser. These guys are funny. This is, this is a, I don't even get half of these. I'm a corn fan. Adidas model.

Everybody knows that's Ozzy. And then this is my favorite one. This is like heavy on the riff. He is Fred Davis, lead vocalist in the band Biscuit Factory. Hit singles include edge crusher on a leash, freedom or firehouse subs, twist and shout at the devil,

ball tonguing my starfish that's inside my candy ass. Okay, that last one has so many reference. There's a lot of references in there, Chris, that you probably didn't get. No, I didn't even understand all I knew. It's one of those things where sometimes you can watch a comedian and you're like, I don't get all the references.

I just know this is funny. Yeah, I just know that it's like Dennis Miller where you're like, I don't know what everything he's talking about, but he's cracking my ass up with his timing, you know? So I found this in the group, Oh, wait, sorry. Sorry, this is the best one. This is from Lovebone.

It says, why, that's founding father and first U.S. president, the 1700's very own George Washington Carver. He's mostly known for inventing jelly, orange and K.Y, and killing every major dictator with his bare hands. He successfully broke the world record for the most futile thing ever attempted when he tried to swim diagonally across the Pacific ocean from California to Australia. What's good for the goose is good for Gandalf. Wow, dude. That guy, that guy's the lead singer of sanity's void. That's one of those things where like if you were like if we, if I saw like on a

thing like the guy's listener or whatever and they were posting stuff like that unironically that I would like consider not doing the podcast anymore. because you'd be so embarrassed about who is liking your stuff. Like, that's really, what's good for the goose is good for Gandalf. Yeah, that's funny.

This is from New Metal for Life, a group on Facebook as a Facebook post. Corn wasn't just a rock band that started New Metal. They embedded a seed that maybe parenting shouldn't just be beating your kids left and right. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Corn, child abuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They embedded that seed. Thank God, too. He has a song, right? He has like a pretty serious, dark song about how he was like, lay down. Well, but there's not just one song. There's probably like, there's like 15 songs. Daddy is the one I'm thinking of.

He had a tough time growing up. He had a tough time growing up. That's that they do have that song, but he also goes, they deserve more cultural credit than they get. So they're not, they're not getting enough credit for ending child abuse. That's for sure. That's for damn sure. Yeah.

Someone has to step up and do it. Yeah, it's, it feels like in some of those, like when they're talking about like the serious issue of child abuse, they should acknowledge the corn's place in helping to curb that a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels odd that nobody mentions corn when they're talking about that. Because sure, Biscuit was going on about breaking stuff, but corn was speaking truths about neglect.

There hasn't been a ban since then it's changed. entire culture. Very. See? I mean, I know that that's right. Yeah. This guy goes, you know, you know they pretty much are the reason Limp Biscuit even touched anyone's ears, right?

Fred tattooed and gave them a tape. He was a scratcher, a little bit of history. I think a lot of people knew that, right? That they, that they were like. Yeah, that is true. If they came from that. If court gets credit for ending child abuse, which is great, it's completely negated. by introducing the world to limp this kid and all the other bands that have a

response. I went to genius. This is the new thing. We've never done this before. And I don't know why I didn't think to do this. This is the lyrics thing, right? Yeah, genius. And this is freak on a leash.

Now, I really like this one because I don't know how this happened. But this guy changes his mind right during the post. and you just don't see it very often. He goes, I always thought that this song kind of resembles drug addiction. Something takes a part of me. Line always made me imagine the drug addicts,

so-called empty spot being taken by a high. Also, the mumbling slash inaudible verse could resemble him being high when nothing he says makes sense anymore and therefore making them more angry when the musical drop comes in. Now that I've read comments about this song, it makes more sense that it's not drug-related,

even though I think that those lyrics can be deciphered in numerous different ways. So people told him he was wrong. I know, but you know how it would say edited if somebody changed the post? Usually on almost everything. So he shares his theory that he knows is incorrect, but he does want to get it out there. I like the fact that like the mumbling parts, like, what is he, is he mumbling? He's scatting?

Yeah, there's more scatting in that one. So he figures that the scatting parts is maybe somebody who's fucking off their head on drugs. Yeah. And they're just like can't even. And then that makes him angry that no one can understand him. So that's why when the chorus comes back, he has a little bit more emotion. If I was corn, I would take that. They have plenty of songs that are deliberately about like drug use and stuff.

So you don't have to invent ones. And freak out of leash is this guy I'll say, even though the song's about the music industry and its effect on artists. Because that's actually, that's the funny thing about corn, right? So album one and album two really are like about abuse and neglect and like the creepy part of childhood and all this stuff. And then the third album comes out. And from that point forward, every single one of their albums is about what it's like being a famous rock and roll. Literally.

And it's a trap that a lot of bands fall into. And so if for some reason we've become successful beyond our imagination, there will be a rule that we cannot write about our success. You have to Because it was always like It was always just like Maybe being successful isn't good Maybe it's like actually bad You know I don't know

I'm not sure that Nickelback fell into that too much They had this song called Rockstar Oh they had a recent one They had a recent rock Like rock and roll is awesome Like all their songs now What was their most recent song By the way Nickleback is like

That's a local band for me that's like a band from where I'm from so there's like when I was growing up it was like everyone like hating nickelback was the like you had to hate nickel back like it was just like embedded into me and you'd see like Chad Kruger at like Celebrities Nightclub or whatever this like old guy a old person nightclub so you'd like see him out and I remember like you know my drunk and stupid friends would be like oh fuck you Chad Krue you know like he would get like actual abuse. He's just a guy. He's just a guy playing music. He's gotten really successful. And it would be like, fuck you. But yeah, when I, when I lived in the Bahamas, it was crazy

to me. They were so popular in the Bahamas. I've sold this before. They were huge there. It was crazy. I've told this before. And I can't verify this. I wasn't at the place. But a friend that was in a cover band called sold, S-O-U-L-E-D. That's pretty cool because, you know, It's like I'm selling out. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm making so much money doing this. I'm going to keep doing it.

And they covered some nickelback songs. And he swears on his life that they started to play how you remind me. And Chad Kroger was like, I'll go ahead and take this one. And he sang this song. I've seen a lot. I've seen videos like that on the internet for sure where like the best when it is when it's like a guy from the band that they're playing the cover song of. but it's not like the main guy. And so nobody really knows that it's him.

And he's just like very nice. And they're like, thanks, man. And it's just like, I like that a lot. I like the new guy that came up there. That was very cool. Yeah. I heard that story. And like I said,

I don't know how much I believe that story, but it is a very funny story to think. Because nickelback, every cover band has to do a nickel back. You know, I'll tell you what's funny. my brother-in-law is in a cover band where they play like 90s covers and like early 2000s covers and we were seeing them one time and and he was like doing something for his sister my my wife

he was like my wife uh oh wait sorry oh i don't have it shit what what did you think you had i thought i had my wife opi sam my wife oh p jay jose jay jay jose jay Do you guys know Opie and Anthony? Are you big Opie? He's still doing stuff, by the way, Greg Opie Hughes, in case you're interested. He's doing, because you're big shock guy or whatever,

he's still doing his thing with Ron the waiter on YouTube Live. It's not the most depressing thing I've ever heard in my life. No, it's not the saddest thing ever. It's not a 65-year-old man trying to use like the same tactics as teenagers to get,

YouTube clicks. Yeah, it's really, it is really rough. It's really, but he used to be, man, that's crazy too, because he used to, fuck, man, he used to break like some of the big, you know, and they, they don't even give him, they won't even, Joe Rogan won't even give him the time of day anymore. And he used to, he would have Joe Rogan on before he was even famous, which is fucking horrible. This is, and which isn't true, by the way, Joe Rogan was already on Fear Factory.

Factor. Fear Factor. We're doing a corn episode. That's a nice. club right there. No, it's a reference. Trying to play off a flub as a reference. It's a reference to the band.

The band whose history is crazy. You guys ever read their, they're like, their fear factories like, you know how at that bottom of every band's page, they have that graph? Yes. That's the best graph in the world for some bands

because it's like this guy played for six months. Oh, yeah, like on the Wikipedia for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I know this is a little about them. And yeah, it's like every other day there's a story about how someone has been kicked out of the band. So it's interesting to me.

The lead singer is just not in a band anymore. And he was like, I mean, it's hard to kill. You can't kick out the lead singer. I mean, bands do it. It doesn't work. It's worked like three times. And then I guess, oh, I guess I'm thinking of like maybe the lead singer dies like in the old bands. And then they'll have somebody who's like famous from another.

other band come in and become the lead singer or whatever. And I think if they have Zach Wilde do the dime bag Daryl stuff at the Pantera concerts. I just watched rock star with Mark Wahlberg the other day. And the story of that movie. Tim Ripper Owens. I actually when I said, Tim Ripper Owens. I always talk about Tim Ripper Owens. He's Ohio's finest.

Like that's the, that's the storyline of that is that they, the band, does the guy die or he just gets kicked out? He gets kicked out. for being gay. For being gay, we believe. It was Judas Priest. Steel dragon in the movie,

but yeah. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Steel drag. It's based on, it's,

I didn't, I saw that movie and I didn't realize that it was based on a true story. Yeah, based on Judas Priest. Did Tim Ripper Owens then, after he got kicked out of Judas Priest, do like,

his coffee shop folk music like Walberg does in the movie? I think, you know, Tim Ripper Owens. is in another he like replaced another lead singer also he owns a restaurant that was on bar rescue and uh

you got yelled at a bit by John Taffer he's an iced earth he was an iced earth okay he was also in Inve Malmsteen's Rising Force okay he also fronted charred walls of the dam wait I know why do I know charred walls of the dam is that Richard Christie's band from

I think it is. I think Richard Christie from Howard Stern is the drummer for charred walls of the damned. I was like, how the fuck do I know that? Were there not members of iced earth at January 6th? I'm pretty sure that is that happening. I do believe. Like they were playing a show or they were.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jay Johnson. Yeah, and it was the guy for Mr. Show and him were. Oh, yeah, the guy for Ariel Pink was there. Yeah. Ariel Pink, the guy from Mr. Show being there is so funny. That's a raw burger. Like a voice on Bob's burgers and shit.

I thought he was a voice on SpongeBob for some reason. I think he was. I think he did a lot of voice work, but he was like more recently a voice on Bob's burgers. Yikes. This is some comments on the song Twist by Corn, which as we said, there's only one lyric.

It's twist. And the rest of it is scatting. And how long does it go on for? It's like two and a half minutes maybe. Yeah, it's longer than you'd think it would be. And where did he learn? Why did he be coming to scatting and stuff?

Is there any sort of background? Okay. He just thought it was a cool thing. We just thought it was good. Actually, it's funny because when they first came out, right? Like the first song scatting happened in was Ball Tong. And I probably spent a year and a half trying to figure out what he was saying.

And then with like me and my friends would be like, no, this is the words he sang. You know what I mean? That's interesting. We didn't know. You spent a year and a half on. You spent a year and a half on bald tongue and three hours on. nipple tongue every night when you're with your damn girlfriend. This guy goes literally speaking this song has no lyrics.

It's a bunch of guttural noises that are specifically meant not to be understood as an exercise an oral manipulation and a challenge to the very concept of lyrics. Brian had a couple of exercises in oral manipulation. And he and yeah, that's, to me it's one of the saddest stories ever, the Brian Tiddy's sucking thing and that she wanted him to do other stuff that's the part that's really sad about it and he just fucking refused and by the way i've said this and i think this is like the third episode i've said this it wasn't three unbroken hours yeah you would go smoke cigarette we would go smoke and and we would french yeah the gentleman's approach yeah we would french so it would be like

25 minutes not titty sucking and frenchin And then outside smoke a cigarette, come back in. Let's get started again on that. It wasn't three straight hours. Like I said, I was French and all the time. This guy says, this song has more meaning than a Taylor Swift song. Oh, yeah. Oh, man.

Does Michael Nolan like corn? I wish I knew that I wish he would just talk. Like when corn gets in a rock and roll hall of fame, it's going to happen. Yeah, fully. Really? They're going to be a first ballot. Oh, I don't know. I don't know if you guys have been following.

They don't really, I feel like the direction of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I could see them not getting in. I'm not even joking. I know more about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame than I wish I did. And I could see them not getting in. The Metallica on the Rock and Roll Hall Fame. Metallica will get, should be in and they're much more important in. No, they're not more. Listen to the.

Listen here. What about the Napster? They saved music from Napster. That's right. I mean, that alone deserve to get into the rock and roll hall of fame. I think Lynn Biscuit's going to get into rock and roll hall of fame too. But I believe in my heart of hearts, corn will be in there early on in their eligibility. So they're not.

You have to be, you have to be retired. You have to stop playing to be eligible. No, you just have to have done your last album or your first album has to be a certain amount of years. I can't remember what the eligibility is. is 20 years though right yeah they've I mean they've got to imagine they're eligible now because they probably there's no way that they did like Shakira was up this year yeah yeah like I feel like those bands were around the same time right like Oasis would have come out around the same

time corn I'm sure is eligible they're just they weren't even on the fucking the long artists qualified 25 years after their debut commercial release so that's 100 they have been eligible for how many years years now. 15 years. Oh, they're getting in. Brian,

you said they'd get in early. And now that's already not. That is false. I did get that wrong. I will agree with it. And there's like they put out that huge long list of all the bands, right? Like, and they're not even on that list.

They've never even been on that list yet. They're going to be on a list. They're not at that part in the history of music yet. Once they get to that part in the history of music, I can't think of a, other band that should be in less like corn is chapter of history yeah like you're talking about new metal like no you're saying no new metal band has been in also and here I'll say yes one two also well rage against machines in I think but like that's a different thing uh but it's kind of new metal

to tell you the truth uh but I think that like once the rock and roll hall of fame starts getting bands from the 2000s in yeah it's gonna be hard not to put corn in their shoe in you think Deaf tones will get in first before corn. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. It's weird because you guys have a lot of idea. You guys literally have no idea what's going on at the Rock and Roll Hall of Pave.

I'm telling you. Deftones and corn are not getting them. They're not even getting the zip from the voters. You could see Deftones now that they're bigger than they've ever been. Like it's a smart move to put them in now because people love them and they're bigger than they've ever been. they'll probably not do that. Def toes might not ever get in. They should.

They're like the best of the bands. But yeah, I mean, when you say like new metal, like you're like corn invented new metal, I mean, they did, but also like metal was like popular at that. Like they made metal popular for a period. All of it, a lot of it was bad. And believe me, I've listened to all the fucking albums. I've listened to Saliva's album. I've listened to Crazy Towns album.

They're all shitty. What's that guy? that we saw he was getting interviewed in that weird Sacramento house head PE head PE that guy's awesome have you seen that video yeah dude you've got to hear this

9-11 is a lie yeah wow maybe I have her I don't know maybe I yeah that's a thing from his concert where he's being yeah where he's all he's he wears a weird mask right he's in Sacktown saying some stuff yeah

Yeah. This is a couple genius things on shoots and ladders. We'll get out of here. This guy says, and this is interesting, it's going to give you guys a lot to think about. The symbolism of the album art really signifies the monolithic perversion and tearing of entire generations. Corn sound resonates with the generation of individuals that fell victim of the degradation of modern society. Many of us have fallen victim and many more will. Victims create victims. then and there is your choice to carry on the pain and put that into another remember my dad's seen corn quite these are two types of reviews by the way this guy and this made me feel so this makes me feel so incredibly old this my dad seen corn quite a few times but one story he

always seems to tells me is the 2014 tour with slip knot when corn came out playing the bagpipes and the crowd fucking lit up like you've never seen. And he's seen Slayer, Anthrax, suicidal tendencies, a lot of big names. So that says a lot when he says corn fans and music go insane. So a dad passing, like the same way my dad told me about Sammy Hagar, there are now dads telling their kids about the time they saw corn in 2014. Yeah. And their young child brings home a book of nursery rhymes from school.

and dad's just like, let me tell you something. There's a darkness behind me, right? These aren't as fun as you think they might be. Let me show you this fucking song. Shinobi 33 does say one of the most unique rock songs ever made. I agree on, I agree that that's not necessarily good. This guy goes, my mom sang me to sleep with this. But the original.

Yeah. I think he was just confused. Yeah. Not the song. Oh. shit, I guess mom's a corn fan. This guy goes, you had a pretty cool mom then. My parents were hardcore Christian. They said that this was devil music.

And then this guy comes back. This is the last thing we're going to read, but I love the first. Well, it's not the last thing we're going to read because I do have something to read about shoots and ladders as well, just very quickly. Guy goes, no offense towards your parents. But Christians who actually read their Bible wouldn't call this devil music take it from me who loves christ but enjoy some corn every once in a while oh shit the religious corn fan checking it well it makes sense though yeah it makes all the sense in the world now yeah

head claims they're all christian now i don't i don't think jd is christian i don't either i think the rest the guys are for sure yeah because i think he's going back there and doing bible shit back so we talked about this on my other show p o d cast where uh We were reading reviews of, or we were covering satellite by POD. Nice. And in the interviews that they were in, they were like, they were actually saying like, yeah, yeah, you know, a lot of people like coming and hanging out at, like, when they do the festivals, a lot of people like coming in and having to barbecue with us and stuff like that.

And, you know, there's no alcohol or anything. But we get to, we get to talk to them about Jesus Christ. I'm like, I don't think a lot of guys like doing that at OzFest. Because he was talking about being an Oz Fest and how everybody wanted to hang out at their barbecue. And it's like, no, there's no way. That's actually true. This is the last one that I found. It's my dad believes his band's song, nursery rhymes, influenced corn and writing shoots and ladders.

This might sound crazy, but hear me out. So back in 91 and 93, my dad's band played clubs up and down the strip in Hollywood, the rainbow, the whiskey. ski a go-go, you know, the big ones. Well, his band had a song called nursery rhymes, which was twisted versions of popular nursery rhymes. Now, it's entirely possible that Korn was at one of these many shows and heard the song and took inspiration from it. Somebody says, nope, shoots and ladders was originally started as a joke,

and they thought that it sounded cool. And the O.P. says, yes. But do you believe it's entirely coincidental that my dad's band would have been playing their song at a time where Korn would have just been formed where the members would have been seeing shows where my dad's band performed and have a song that's very similar. Like, I'm not saying my dad's band deserves credit.

The songs are different enough, but it's just, is it really that impossible that they might have heard and possibly had some influence? And then the guy said, dude, corn is from Bakersfield. And he said, yes, do you know where the closest major city is?

L.A. That's where they would have gone to see shows. And they said, corn was already playing live at 93. Yeah, my dad's plan was playing in 91. Why do you people have to be like this? I hate fans like you who can't seem to get through your heads that your favorite band could have gotten the idea from somewhere else. Also, I think it's overly proud because my dad's band and it's not impossible is very, very unlikely.

Not really what, not really if you think about the timing. And then somebody said, dude, I'm pretty sure you're overthinking it. And then the final thing that he says, the O.P says, okay, so I can tell you're probably some 15 year old kid who sucks up to corn. So I'm just going to chalk it up to my previous statement. I love corn fans now. I love the we pave the way. Yeah. Yeah, we,

I've never like the idea of paving the way not as a band, not being like the band paved the way for other bands, but like I paved the way for you to be able to listen. If I never listened and bought the albums, they would have not kept playing music. And you wouldn't be able to listen to their music today. Yeah. Well,

thank you for coming on chat pile. I'm seeing you guys soon. Hell yeah. lucky, very lucky. Do you have anything you would like to plug? Well, depending on when this comes out, our new album, Who Loves the Sun will be out on September 4th. It'll be out.

Yeah, it's already out. This comes out in like a few weeks. So yeah, it's already out for sure. And I know people are very excited about it. I'm excited to hear it. And people were super excited to hear you to have you guys on. Like I said, it was like so many people, when you made, you posted about it, something about the guy's podcast and people were just, it blew their minds. And it very much makes our podcast seem a lot cooler than it is.

And I appreciate that very much. I think it's cool as fuck, dude. This podcast goes, we just did corn guys with chat pile. We just did corn guys with chat pile. Yeah, it does always make us feel a little bit cooler. I will say the idea of having, you know, like Wolf Parade or ChatPy. or band, you know, like me, I always think of music people as being a lot cooler than me or anyone I know.

So I appreciate that. They are. They definitely are. Not than me, but they're cooler than me, but they're cooler than me for sure. And final question. What do you guys think about fleet foxes? Did you guys ever meet fleet foxes? Not yet, but you haven't met, right?

I guess you guys would. You mean a person I would tell, though. Tell me you know their biggest fan. You wouldn't play the same festivals as them. Oh, who knows? Maybe there's some festivals where they have releases on subpop, don't they? Yeah. So technically we are label mates with.

Yeah, label mates with. Well, we put out one release with subpop. But yeah. Sub pop legendary, legendary label from around my parts, actually. All right. Well, thank you so much. I love pop too. For coming.

Not listening. All right. Thanks so much for coming out. I'll see you guys. See everyone later. Bye. Bye. See you.