Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 67 - Baseball Guys with Batting Around

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

This week on Guys we had our friends (Lauren, Jane Ost and Stephen) from Batting Aroundto talk about America's pastime, the game of baseball. We talk about the powerful and beautiful umpires, the hall of fame, and the worst part about seeing a baseball game...children There is much more Chris at twitter.com/thecjs and of course https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/murderxbryan twitter.com/murderxbryan and  https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social   Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Come to guys, the pod. I am Brian. And with me is umpire Chris James. What's up, Chris? Such a close wash up, but it wasn't it was a watch up and I hear about it. I thought you're like, I thought it was a nod to your to the wash up. Like I thought you're doing that on what shop is not a thing I think it was definitely a wash off. Yeah, I'm listen I was an umpire I will say that at some worse I'm sorry I I do have a firm stance I do not podcast with police officers I've hung up my what do you call that you there's that thing that you used to have to have. Oh, I want to work with.

The little balls and strikes clicker. The balls and strikes clicker. You had to put it down in your sergeant's desk and yeah, walk out. Yeah. If you played baseball, at least where I was, where I grew up, if you played baseball, it was like you could make a little bit of money. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, make your money.

Yeah. Before you could have a proper job, you could make a little bit of money umpiring games and I loved baseball so much like I was obsessed with it growing up. So I wanted to do anything to do with umpiring but I realized after one solid season of umpiring that it was not for me getting yelled at. I had to guess one time and, you know, I just stopped the game so I could go. Jesus, Chris, it was a nightmare. I hate our guests on here.

They're from the batting around podcast. We got Steven, you Lauren, who you have met before. I'm Lauren. Yeah, I was here for Yelp guys. I'm honored to make my return and Jane All right, I am so glad to have you all because your experts presumably you guys are guessing Maybe 40% of the time on our podcast. That's pretty high. That's pretty high though and You do the podcast every week and you started a podcast about baseball. I'm guessing you

guys are huge. Do you guys watch tons and tons of baseball currently? No, I doubt they watch baseball. No, I mean tons and tons. I'm sure they do, but how much are we talking about? What qualifies as tons and tons to you? How much do you watch? How much do you guys watch? game on every day? If like, I watched like, I had the Phillies game on they were playing during the day to day and I just threw it on while I was working. I generally if I'm at home and

there's a game, I'll just put it on how much attention I paid to it is entirely dependent on, you know, is the score going in my favor? Do I have something more interesting to do? But like generally speaking, I probably watched most of the games at least a little bit. Can I give you- He's a Phillies fan to be clear.

Yeah. Can I give you a quick- Second monitor game, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I give you a great second monitor game, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Can I give you a quick recommendation? You ought to try doing Legos while you do that, while you're watching the baseball. I've definitely done that. I definitely did that in 2020.

I did that with wrestling and I love that people have seen my setup. They make fun of it constantly on the go off Kings. So the first thing I want to do is because Lauren, you came on the Yelp guys episode. I thought I'd start with a Yelp review of a place called the National Baseball Hall of Fame and hell, yeah. Oh, sure. Right.

I know on this show you guys love doing rock and roll hall of fame stuff, and it has a lot of similarities to the baseball. Yeah. Fame. Oh, I think I see the baseball Hall of Fame is quantifiable. I would say more than well, a little bit more, a little bit more because there's statistics, I guess, and like there's competitions like more so that have more meaning. You can say this guy's like a world series one for world series. He's one of, you know, they, you can say those things and you know, he, he led the league

in home run. Yeah. It has some or two it, but there's, it's still up for debate. Of course. Cause there's much, much more like that. Yeah. There was a long period of time where it was about as arbitrary as the rock and roll hall of fame, big internal, internal battle to get all of the crusty old reporters to finally die off

so that we could actually vote based on, or that they can actually vote based on merit rather than like, well, we played for the Yankees and it was a shortstop for 22 seasons. And even though it does have more of a statistical element to it than like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does, it should be taken as seriously as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does it should be taken as seriously as the Rock and Roll There's two guys that come up when you Google or when you look for the Hall of Fame one Barry Bonds who my believe Should be more rock and roll or the Rockies in both halls of fame. Yeah. Fuck it.

And then also. And then cycling hall of fame should be in that too. Yeah. Yeah. And also another gentleman that I've always felt should be in the Hall of Fame, Pete Rose. Pedophile. Yes.

Yeah. Pete Rose is a pedophile? We're with you on half that. Termed pedophile, yes. He's a pedophile. Yeah. I did not even know that. I thought he was just a cheater.

I thought he was just a cheater. So I guess. He's a gambler, not a cheater. Not a cheat. Oh, yeah. But that's right. I'm just a cheater. So I guess. Amler, not a chamber, not cheap. Oh, yeah. But that's right. I just think it kind of goes hand in hand because I think that's kind of the insinuation when you're getting mad at somebody for gambling on their own games is that they did something towards otherwise. Who cares? You know?

I guess. Well, Tim, Tim R gave the baseball hall fame five months ago. So this is recent. This is some old one. He gave them one star. And he said, $28 admission for this travesty of a museum is outrageous. $8 admission would be more appropriate. I like that guy has a suggestion for the instructive. He's looking at the numbers a little bit and figured out that the value is about a box. Yeah, there's no way that this guy was just in Cooper's town. And like that $16 was the difference. Like he went out of his way to go to Cooper's. I think there's not a lot else there. Yeah, where's Cooper's town? I'm a Canadian. Upstate New York by nothing. So

a lot of people are also mad at the city, Chris though. You're not like passing through somewhere else. If you're, if you're traveling from Albany to like Buffalo or Syracuse, like Cooper's town is in between those, but you have to, but it's south. So you get off the highway and like those aren't into these little towns. Yeah, those aren't two like places that I would be like thinking is a Canadian guy from the west coast of Canada. I wouldn't be thinking I would be traveling between Buffalo and Syracuse on any.

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is no place in the United States that you can get into for $28 for less than $28. Yeah. That's just how things are now. Yeah. It's like inflation has hit the world hard. And yeah, a lot of stuff has gone out of control price wise, but yeah, I mean $8 you can't, I can't imagine they could stay in business charging $8 admission. Okay. So he goes, uh, uh, all the exhibits on the second and third floor, poorly curated, poorly lit, and just uncoordinated mess of baseball history. It's as if they took everything that's happened in baseball, threw it in a blender and then poured it into the content

poured the contents into the displays the film shown in their theater is a Cringe fest and I walked out of the theater ten minutes one of the greatest players and all-time hits leader Pete Rose is not mentioned Until that point he he's like, he's making points here. Oh, yeah. OK. You guys know, have you guys been to the baseball hall of fame? I have. Yeah, I haven't. Yeah. Now, is that is that accurate? Would you say that, Lauren, you were sort of saying that he's got some points?

Yeah, the video is pretty cringe. It's very like memorializing the game in a way that's like little little dated. And yeah, it is really weirdly dark. He's he's got the lighting. Well, everybody says that and I thought they were just being complainers. No, it is actually well, I mean, I would say, have you see everyone mentioning it, Brian, and they think it's probably true, you know.

I guess I was thinking like, you're not a museum guy. Like, you don't know anything about what. But if Lauren says that, I believe it. I'm sorry to all the other people. The average baseball Hall of Fame attendee goes to more museums than like anybody you know. Train museums. They're going to all the.

You're also age wise, very prone to cataracts. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's an old, old person. Sport definitely average fan is, I think, 78. Yeah. Oh, wow. So I got some bad news for the baseball hall of fame. Steve Z gave it one star. Oh, they lost his fucking traffic. Yeah. What a shithole of a town in this place. This place they call a quote hall of fame. The only players I saw there were all second rate players. Oh, weird. I looked everywhere but didn't see any real stat leaders to be found. Well, that's not true. I mean, all the stat leaders, all the, you know, you're going to

find all of them, with the exception of the people we've mentioned. You're going to find all of the people who have led, you know, who have the all like an all time hits leader. Unfortunately, you don't Chris, because he says no hit, Omron or Cy Young leaders anywhere. No, you don't Chris. Cause he says no hit home run or Cy Young leaders anywhere. So hang on. Is this? No, no. Who has the most Cy Youngs of all time? Probably one of the guys who's not in for the PED reasons. Is it Clemens? It is Clemens. Okay. So this guy has a guess. So it's Clemens and then hits and home runs is Barry Bonds. And so he's bonds and Rose. Yeah. So it's Clemens bonds and Rose. home runs is Barry Bonds. And so he was in Rose. Yeah, it's Clemens Bonds and Rose Okay, that does kind of make

Yeah, that's why he's bad. Yeah. What was the what was weird in this place was full of racist memories, which is odd Yeah, yeah kind of Outrageously racist guy and, I guess the history of baseball in America is quite racist as well. They had an entirely segregated league. So yeah, that's, that's kind of accurate too. It's not really great that there's a second hall of fame for the black leagues in Kansas City. Not great. Only in the last couple of years, trying to figure out how to reconcile all that. Not ideal. Well, he says, I found this place to be more like a side of the road museum with weird odds and ends, no real substance.

I can't wait until a true baseball hall of fame opens someday in a more relevant city. But that's actually the whole chip for it. I don't think they're going to get a new like state of the art one. Maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're talking about that. But it doesn the art one maybe maybe i'm wrong maybe they're talking about that but it doesn't feel like it's in the cards there'll be some like vr experience everyone's gonna hate even more i'm sure i think it fucking rocks that it's in the middle of goddamn nowhere

it's fine i think that i think that rules so hard like it would it would be so much worse if we moved the baseball hall of fame to like new york or something and it would be new york it would be so much worse if we moved the baseball hall of fame to like New York or something And it would be New York. It would 100 be like New York's the only option it would go really it would go like beside yankee stadium or something. Yeah Well one more review here from Lars gave it two stars and he says does not do justice to the game The stats and figures and people are there which the last guy said they weren't. He must not have known where to look. And he goes, uh, and the gene, but not the flare and genius of the game. The place is so leaden.

It needs to be more interactive, include the great stories of baseball history, not just milestones and hitting records, a disappointment. So on the money burns, on the money. Totally on the money. Sorry, he's 100% correct. Yeah. Hard to dispute the baseball hall of fame anywhere. I don't know what would make a good hall of fame.

I guess it's like a museum, yeah. So you want to have maybe exclusive interactive video type stuff that you can watch and maybe even participate in in some way perhaps I'm just trying to think of what would actually be make something like that good. I would say as a person who seems to be becoming an expert on halls of fame, they just shouldn't. I mean, there's no world in which people would ever agree on anything to be in any Hall of Fame. The main function of a Hall of Fame is for guys to argue about who's in and who's not.

I think that's like the main functionality in society. And that's why pro wrestling will be paced for it. Yeah, and that's why pro wrestling has the best Hall of Fame because there's no building. It's just some guy's newsletter and then people vote Let's get to some reddit here I did talk to a few baseball writers and say hey, where should I go? And they said our baseball is where all the weird freaks hang out So honestly, I would say that reddit is one of the less weird forums for baseball guys because it's the younger crowd

There's still a lot of freaks. Don't get me wrong. Well, like if you want to get by the real sickos, you got to go where I go for sports news, which is the analytics sites. I should have looked. I should have looked. Turbo photo says, can we stop guilt tripping fans into giving kids foul balls? I'm 39 and I know over 1000 games.

I've never naturally caught a ball. My friend next to me did, and I told him to keep it, not give it to the kid next to us because it's a rare thing and the kid will have more opportunities later in life. That's a good point. I've never even considered that though, because the kid is younger and therefore is going to be alive. Presumably sometimes children die, obviously. Every now and then, yeah.

But you know, they're going to most likely live longer and therefore have more opportunities to catch one of the future. Whereas being an older gentleman might be your last chance. And you should hold on to it. And they're also in the prime years for catching a ball. They're they're the ones who, like, are going to get the ball flipped to them more often. They have exactly. They'll get they'll have somebody giving them the balls, whereas, yeah,

you're not going to get that as an older guy. If anything, you're going to get pressured to give your ball away. So you're almost stronger and more brave if you're able to hold onto the ball in like in the face of all that adversity. Well, this guy says the fans near us were guilt trip and my friend and he finally gave in. I understand you want the kid to have a good time and get energized for the game of baseball, but can we please leave it up to the person who catches the ball? It's not the kid's ball.

It's the fan who caught it. He might've been waiting 39 years or more for that opportunity. He might've been waiting the specific amount of years I've been fucking around. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, this, like, I think it's just like it's kind of a thing that in society, it's just kind of like we understand that children appreciate these things more. You remember to when you were a child and how much meaning it would have for you. And yeah,

if you're a fucking old guy and you really feel like it would mean more to you, then keep it. You know, no one's no one can force you to give it away. No one can take it from you. This is like the autograph guys episode where it's like, come on, dude. A lot of overlap. Yeah, you're like, come on. A lot of overlap here.

Give the kid the fucking thing. It doesn't mean anything. And I understand. But it does to some of them. And I guess to the people we're dealing with here, it means a lot, you know? And I guess that's fair enough. And you're allowed to be selfish in that way. Here's the real politic answer, which is that why, why it's good to take the ball from the

kid. This happened recently in baseball where someone snatched a ball from a young kid and that got out on social media. The kid was sad. His name was Camden. I remember his biggest fan of the world of some Orioles was a twin player. Byron Buxton. Yeah. And that got out on social media that his ball had got stolen his iron bucks and sign ball got stolen and he got to meet Byron Buxton and like ended up getting like loaded up with merch by the team. So it almost. almost, and it's almost like a favor by, by very publicly stealing a ball from them. You have to own it. You have to be like, I took the ball from the kid. That was easy. If you think about it as like the worst that you treat the kid, the more sympathy that the kid will get. So in the end it's like, it's actually better. So if you were to, and this isn't like me saying it, but just as like, if you were to and this isn't like me saying it but just as like if you're to hit the kid

Like strike the kid then that could be like a huge thing It'd be all over the news and the kid would basically then get whatever the kid ball come on the head Yeah In season tickets, we're talking fuckin whatever the kid wants if you hit them hard enough, you could have lifetime season ticket. That life, that life. 24 seven said, I'm an MLB mascot. I hear you at these moments. We are all quote children and excitable.

If I see an adult give the ball away, I often come back with a package of swag for the adult, which includes a ball. I do my best. So now they got the goddamn mascot giving like here, sir, to an adult person. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you should do that. I don't think. Yeah. But like, it's a nice thing to do, I guess. But yeah, I don't think that that should be a part of the equation. You should just do it because a kid just should get the ball. I know. I want to know.

I don't know what mascot that is. I can eliminate a few of them. It's definitely not Blooper. No. Who is, what mascot is? Blooper is the man of brave one who... Blooper is the White Lives Matter mascot. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. It that's very weird social media presence. Oh, yeah.

Well, it's the thing is, is like, uh, I don't know. I wanted to immediately know the mascot and a few people asked me. He said, I'm not going to tell you. So there's two things. One, he probably isn't a mascot or yeah, I don't believe it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, classic online liar. Yeah. Keep on keeping on you. Good Samaritan. I hope your efforts are noticed is the first very chivey answer. But then the the D just says, seriously, that kid has his whole life to catch a foul ball. You're half dead. And it isn't about the ball itself, but about you caught it. It's not about the ball itself. You already caught it. Yeah. Take a photo with it and then give it away. Yeah. This is so extremely reddit, like our child free type shit. Yeah, it's like, oh, that's crotch spot. We'll pick another ball. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's if you don't, yeah. What are you going to do with the ball?

Cause a kid will play with it. A kid will play with it and like, you know, like go out in the backyard and play with it and like talk about it, tell all of his friends about it. What are you going to do with the ball after it's done? It is cool that you caught it. I agree. I I've never, I've always wanted to. Yeah, there's no cool like significance to a foul ball. Not a whole run. A whole run. A whole run would be different. Your own left field or whatever. Catch a home run ball like game winning home run maybe.

Or yeah, that would be different. This guy goes, it's not about the ball itself. It's about the fact that you caught it. If you don't catch it, then it's just a baseball that some stranger gave you for doing nothing but being born later than he was. Uh huh. This guy goes, right. It's not about having the ball.

It's about catching one. I've come really close twice. Once I had to let it go because some asshole jumped on top of his young child to get at it and we both had it while he was laying on top of his child. I was like, that sounds right. If I was like, oh, that sounds right. If I get one, I'm keeping that shit. So my dad caught one. My dad caught one with bare hands,

caught like a bare hand home run ball. That's cool. That's the way to do it. Yeah. My dad was a ball player. Did he give it to you? No, I wasn't with him. I wasn't with him at the game.

But yeah, so he kept it because I don't think he was with or around any children. So I don't think it was even an issue. Oh, he was probably around like a ton of children and just put it in his pocket and said, fuck you, kid. If he knew my dad, yeah, that's. So, mocking for Detroit Tigers fan, mocking for it says, right. And since it's about catching it, who cares what happens after?

I mean, it's not like I need a ball to throw around when I get home. My buddy has great seats on the railing and right field and Camarica. So whenever a lefty slugger comes to the plate, kids with clubs congregate in the aisle next to us. I always warn the kid next to me that if the ball comes in our direction, I'm catching it, but he can have it after, but I'm definitely catching it. So I like that is an adult attitude. That's what I'm looking for in somebody acting like an adult. Yeah. He's like, you're not you're you're a kid. You're going to fuck this up. If you try to catch it,

you can't be trusted to do that. I want to experience that. I'm going to do it, but I'll hand it to you. I like that. That's an ethical ballhawk right there. Georgia throne says, not only that, my dad caught a batting practice ball for me when I was 10. I have no fucking clue where that ball went. We probably use it to play ball on the street and it went down the drain. My point is most kids aren't exactly responsible with something like that. Anyway, also let's get those drains covered up.

If a ball can go down them like that for city ordinance. Yeah. Yeah. Plus not to mention it's far easier for kids to get foul balls from players, coaches and ball girls. And adults don't get any from them. So the adults don't get and that's not fair. Here's a good story. Happened to me to 2008 Rays versus Royals caught a foul ball one handed on the first base side. I was 17 and every home around me was hounding me to give it to this five year old saying, give it to the kid. I said, I am a kid and kept it. I was stoked to catch it, but then annoyed right after

from all the yapping. How old was he? He was 17. That's kind of, yeah, you're still, you're still in the range where you can keep that. I think Yeah. You're not cute anymore. That's kind of the yeah. Thank you. That's a kid is only a kid while it's still cute. And then it's not a kid. And usually about 11 they stopped being a kid to me because I don't go on like I did to their annoying. Mine was raised versus Red Sox in Port Charlotte 2013 caught an Evan Longoria foul ball in my hat.

That's spring training. Like, yeah, no, that's nothing. That's nothing. I don't even think I don't even think they use a regulation ball. Yeah, that doesn't even like have, you know, the special mud from the river and so roped into it like nothing. He goes, caught in Evan Longoria foul ball in my hat by standing reaching over the heads and the several innings and wanted me to give this 90 year old woman the ball. I finally told one guy that wouldn't shut up. If I didn't catch that ball, would it hit her in the head?

Because none of you were even watching the game. I gave her life. I'm keeping the ball. So he's he's a hero. Yeah. And here in this one, he's like, that's also the anti hero like spawn. It's very weird, though, to suggest that you give a ball to an old woman. Yeah, that's not what I mean. Like that's what I would be like. No, of course.

Unless it's your mom or something, you know, why would you give the ball to an old woman? He saved her life. The rest of her days are basically his. Yeah, yeah, not a lot. Many days. But here's a fun guy. He goes, almost had the same thing happen to me caught a ball at Fenway when I was 17. But luckily the little kid sitting next to me was taking his fourth bathroom break of the game. So that's nice kids. They say about

kids, they they be pissing. They are shitting. And also the thing about the kids that I've noticed is that you'll be changing them. Sorry, I just had a baby at one month old. I noticed that too with my baby. And you'll be changing them and then the air, this is a well-known thing, the air will hit there. In my case, I have a boy as a penis and it'll hit his penis, the air, and then it'll make him start peeing all over the place. It happens almost every single time. And so if you don't see if you're like, oh, he's shit, and

you got to change the diaper, but you don't see the little line is not blue. That's what happens when it like when he pees. You just know you're gonna get pissed on and you try to wait a little bit but you got to change the diaper and you just know you're gonna get pissed on. Sorry. That's that's Yeah. Here's a question from Lee best go. What will happen if the umpire ejects a cop? cop on cop violence. Yeah, he's broken the movable object. Yeah.

Good hypothetical. This is such a good like Reddit question. Honestly, I think I would be I have no love in my heart for umpires, but I would be worried for that ump. Yeah. I remember I remember getting really good tickets just like gifted to me on the first baseline, like literally front row. And you know how in between things like the, like the cops and the security will like stand on the field to like, you know, just guard against like people jumping

into the field or whatever. And I, and there was, so there was a cop like about like five, six feet from me, like from where my seat was because I was the first row. And I'm looking at him. I'm like, you look familiar. Why do I know what you look like? And I like, I noticed it was a really hot day. And he was wearing like long sleeves. I'm like, why are you wearing long sleeves? Why do why do you look familiar? Oh, you were

that cop that went viral for having the Nazi tattoos a month ago. They just fucking reassigned them to the cushy stadium jobs. So all the cops in the fucking stadiums are the most unhinged. They need to be just like, Oh, we just you got to complain against you. Let's let's move you. Let's shuffle you around a bit. Yeah. Well, he goes. I heard umpires can eject anyone if the umpire tries to eject a police officer on duty. So there's a bullpen cop, then what will happen? Fuck man. I think that that's fucked up. They'll have to call in like I guess you got to call like the attorney general or the president or something like somebody like a very, yeah, it's got

to go to the Supreme Court. Probably it's very complicated and a very, is there any responses? Yeah. Doggo tippy taps says, he says outside the MLB rulebook states it's easy for a stadium to make an operating procedure that the stadium will remove anyone an empire umpire ejects just because the rulebook doesn't have authority doesn't mean the entity with the authority wouldn't want to delegate phantom authority to the rulebook. So he's saying yeah yeah, the cops got to go. We got to go. No, but I don't think that's that's true.

I think that is incorrect. I think, well, they call I think if the they give the umpire tries to inject a police officer on active duty, I think that the police officer, the rules of the law supersede that. I think that there is this all goes back to English common law Castle Standing my ground Depends on the state yeah that is it I think the cops stays though I think

Yeah, well this guy rule nine says the cop would have to leave. I mean, I assume it would be for cause and consultation with over stadium personnel. So, and also this guy goes, uh, Technically rule state umpires can only eject people from the playing field that includes the dugout and turf itself But it really doesn't mention that the stands and organ booth are also included in that i'd assume not now You might be like, Oh, this guy's probably right. Well, he's right. I'm higher did get ejected or no, the Oregon guy got ejected at a minor league game for playing three blind mice after a bad. That's such a corny ass baseball story. You know what I mean? Like that's the kind of shit that some old guy fucking told his disinterested nephew fucking family lunch. You know, that is just so unfunny. So this person says, I don't know all the rules, but I can say with

certainty that umpires can and have ejected many people from the stands and pretty much anywhere within the confines of the ballpark They can stop the game for any distraction and if the distraction is a person they can eject them from wherever they are So it seems like we're starting to land on Yes, an umpire can't eject a cop. No, I think think so because if the cop has like you know, is been tasked with like protecting an area or whatever, like you maybe you could get that particular cop and have somebody else like move the cop or whatever. You know what I mean? Have them switch out with somebody. But I don't think that you the baseball umpire

can decide no, there's no longer a police officer protecting this area anymore. Well, I mean, yes, the umpire, I I'm with these guys. He goes, OK, but couldn't the cop pull the on duty police officer? And I can be where I want, please. And then a lot of order. I wish they like, I don't think they're actually doing any, but that's what they would say, you know, but I don't think Like I don't actually think the police serve a real like, you know

I see them at sports games and i've never really seen them do anything Yeah over time collecting You guys it's different for our in canada you guys it's it's wild to me Like how in amer, this is like the cops are just like, they just have this other job, like as a security guy at something like that doesn't exist. I mean, not at that level in Canada. I mean, yeah, I'm at every grocery store where I live. Dan Lynch, who is extremely white, I'm almost positive, says, the police can't just be where they please, even when they're

on food. positive says the police can't just be where they please. Even when they're on. You see, the thing is, if the pennant flags have gold fringe around them, cops have no authority. It's the fringe doctrine. Yeah, it goes back. They have some special powers to enter private property to perform searches and arrests, but it's not unlimited and they sometimes need a warrant to do it. If a cop is in your home or workplace or whatever and you ask them to leave, he has to leave unless he has

a very specific reason to have the right to stay there. And the fact is that the police at baseball games aren't quote on duty as police anyway. They're just hired by the stadium to be there. So, of course, they can be asked to leave. So, well, yeah, that listen, that does change things if they're not on duty, if they're not active on duty, if they're just like working their security job. But can can the umpire eject security guards? We're never getting an answer. I love that this is like they're making this like a third amendment issue,

like it's quartering. Yeah, yeah. So cool. Yeah. So good. That was one of my favorite one. Hey, does anyone else prefer to watch games without the strike zone box on the broadcast? Yes. All right. Very common. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. This is this is a big thing that people talk about it. I agree. I like the way it was before

I personally like I like the box. I'm over here. I like the box. All right, we get it Relax man, you don't have to feel like do you have to prove yourself every podcast? I Don't so much hate the box as much as I hate like what it does to people who think that like that is iron. Yeah, it has nothing to do with like the real strike zone. So they'll see this like a ball like just like a like a little bit outside of that. That get called strike and they'll freak out.

And it gives them like it feels like it gives them like this license to just be even bigger dickheads. Yeah, I like that that you brought that up because this guy goes, I despise it overlaying the plate when it shows where the ball was in real time. It's so distracting and often wrong. I don't mind it just after the pitch display on the corner of the screen. My conspiracy theory is and this conspiracy theory is fucking incredible. Wait, I love it. Yeah.

The MLB pushes teams to include it so that fans get mad at them so they feel they can have more leverage over the umpire union and negotiations. OK, that is something I will be with you. That seems like a lot of work. It just doesn't seem like that's where a lot of the money goes, you know, to paying the umpires. It just seems like there's it's a huge billion dollar business and it just seems like that's too much work just for the multiple teams that are like so

cheap. They don't like the thing about like for money ball, but like no sodas, no free sodas in the clubhouse. That was real. Like a lot of teams are that stingy, but I don't think it's true, but I think that is the level of pettiness MLB has been known to operate on. Yeah. I don't think it's true, but I think that is the level of pettiness MLB has been known to operate on. Yeah Yeah, so let's do this. This is from Connie Mingus You stop talking about how much you like a box, right? Yeah Pussy.

You stop talking about how much you like a box. Yeah, we believe you. Everybody knows how obsessed you are with sex. OK, come on. Ways to improve the game without hurting integrity. This is one. This is a Chris special because he told me to search integrity. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Great start.

I hear a lot of controversy about the state of the game today involving stuff like the, the shift TTO baseball. I don't know what that is. I, what is, I'm trying to think. What is TTO baseball? Yeah. Three true outcomes, three true outcomes, three true outcomes. I don't know what that is.

Oh, go ahead, Lauren. Actually, it'll help. Oh, the three, the three trackers are the three things that are ultimately happening any at that you either strike out you get a hit or you get a walk. Okay, I BB rules, which I'm not sure what that international baseball rules maybe intentional intentional, intentional walk, intentional base on balls as IVP pitch clocks matter staying in the box slash umps. What rules would you add to make the game more exciting? Speed it up, improve it or whatever. And I feel like they've done a lot. They have done all those ones that they're

meant that they're mentioned. They're all sort of to because that was a big issue that they had was they just realized games at one point before they put all this stuff in. They were running like three and a half, three hours, 45 minutes. Sometimes the games are just so slow. There's some pitchers and hitters that were just like egregious with that. I can't think of any off the top of my head now, but like people who would take so so I mean Garcia Parra like people like that who would just have all these like outrageous things that they would you know like these like tap their legs 10 times and like keep drawing like and pictures would be so bad with it that they had to but I don't know that you could add more really. Well I can think of a few really great rules. I lost my place here.

Where's it at? Oh, you lost your place in your head. Okay, here it is. Nick says, move the mound back like a foot and there will be way like, okay, a foot. I mean, only a foot. Okay, that's not that. That's not that movie. Smaller roster size or allow less

pictures on the roster. So pitching changes can't be made as frequently. I think that's a big problem. The way that they're going the other way with it, they're going the other way. And there's a good reason because people just throw so hard now. And they like that there's so many injuries having to do with, uh, you know, pitching too many innings and just overworking pitchers, especially younger pitchers. Yeah. Yeah. The games become more relief, more like dependent on multiple, like having more relievers than it used to in the past. So now they're going the other way.

And over time too, because initially when baseball started, right, the guys would just pitch every single inning of every single game. They're throwing 76 miles an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Throwing 400 innings a year. Well, how about this? It's not much, but I would limit relief pitcher mound warm ups to two pitches. Now, why?

Well, just to speed the game up, just to speed the game. What's time for the game? I don't know how much time it doesn't say. It doesn't say much. And I get you're saying like on the actual mound when they come out. But yeah, like, because they're obviously they're warming up beforehand. But yeah, I mean, done during commercial break, like who gives a shit? They're like, shorten the commercials.

Totally. They still have more practice pitches for that reason. Yeah Yeah, I honest this guy frozen waffles. Oh peace says I Honestly believe they if they just put in strike zone robots with the umpire still there and didn't tell anyone people would still bitch But it would help Why would it help? robots 99.9% accurate.

The umpires are only like 98.7% accurate. Why wouldn't you tell the people though? What is gained from not telling them? Oh, because you still want them to be complaining. That's what you still want that? Oh, yeah, of course. I forgot about the ump union Those are page one This guy says also for the sake of conversation

So he's saying this for the sake of conversation because he's about to get yelled at give teams a 28-man roster with only 25 available per game. I Understand this takes away certain aspects of manager strategy However, it can ensure the best needed players are available That wouldn't even do anything because you have more than three starting pitchers on your staff Well, like it would just be like, okay are three of our guys that just pitched the last few days anyway Yeah, what what is the purpose of that? Like what do why why are why would we be doing that because it does doing that? Because it doesn't save time. But it doesn't

save time. They just want pitchers to go longer. They already have limited how often a new pitcher can come in. They have to either change them in between the innings or they have to face at least three batters. And so doing this sort of thing would just lead to pitchers getting left in while they're getting shelled. So that's not going to make the game any faster. The guy is getting absolutely like his ass kicked. And it's kind of brutal to watch that too. I mean, some people like that, but I don't know. It's kind of sucks now when getting hammered. Yeah.

Now I'm going to throw one in that I don't even know why this guy wrote this. I cannot figure out exactly why he wrote this, but maybe we can. Giants88, New York Mets fan says, make everything reviewable. Balls, strikes, everything. Do you want to slow the game down? Team gets two reviews. Yeah. Two reviews.

If you succeed in reviewing, you get the reviews back. If you fail, you lose it. two reviews if you succeed in reviewing you get the reviews back if you fail you lose it two Failures and that's it. No umpires review after the seventh inning either all reviews our team requested. So That means that if you you could theoretically if you were right Challenge every single like you could challenge a bunch because you would only lose the challenge If you are wrong, if you're wrong, so like if you are right ten times, that's gotta man I could see a sports illustrated cover You know, it's just like the challenge Kings and it's just like this team that won the the World Series Just because they were so adept at challenging that they

challenged successfully every single play. I think that sort of happened. I remember a story from a couple years ago about like one team had a guy who was just like exceptionally good at knowing when to challenge. He was like the review, the review play by play guy. He got it. It's illustrated right up. Really? That's crazy.

Well, this guy says the game would never end. They would endlessly review balls and strikes They have people telling you to challenge or not just get in a robot ump that's really the solution for a lot of our problems here and we're gonna read more about robot arms and This the the guy that came up with the idea said they can't endlessly review Two incorrect reviews and you're done. And if every review is successful, then how can anyone complain the right decision ends up being made? Oh, I could still complain Baseball fans would have no problem complaining. What if the right decision was to the detriment of the team I like to the detriment of the team I like. Robo-Ump's are great and all and I love the concept. Having reviews takes most of the human error of safe out calls but can a Robo-Ump compensate to different size strike zones?

See this seems to be... That's what a Robo-Ump does, is it? That's what I assumed. But they're not like perfect yet. They're using them in like the miners to test them out. But it's, I don't know, and they're getting close, but they're still not perfect. They're never going to be perfect because like a strike zone is a really weird thing. So the blade spheroid, I have to say what it is, the blade spheroid. Well, the thing people, they keep saying they don't think baseball players, they don't think a robot can do the strike zone because it's different for everybody. But it's like, I think a robot could like that. I think like we have that. I think it's proven that there's

some they're getting pretty good robots are getting pretty good there. That didn't used to be too impressed with them, but they're pretty impressive. In the leagues where they're using them, they go and measure everybody at the beginning of the season. And it actually, a bunch of guys lost two inches off of their stated height when they did that. But if you're shorter, the strike zone is smaller. So it's good. Not the worst of them. But anything you want to shave a couple zone is smaller. So like it's good. Yeah. Anything you want to shave a couple of inches off, but the, the Robo lumps do like accommodate for the different sizes.

Yeah. Here's a sad story for everybody. And don't cry. Tell me if you have to pause or stop for a second. Um, you tender says, uh, Astro's name barred by little leagues in Pennsylvania. So because of woke. Yeah. Um, so that's the new story.

This guy goes, honestly, it's kind of the worst thing in a way. They're supposed to be heroes revered and celebrated for their accomplishments, especially by children who learned the game and dream. If the kid posts the cheating scandal? Is that why it is? Yes, this is four years ago. If the kids know they're cheaters, what do they have left? Taking that away is the ultimate. So that's the ultimate punishment, is the kids knowing they're cheaters.

And then this guy goes, what do they have left? A ring. Yeah, that's absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. Yeah. The Astros got off extremely light. They still have their ring. Well, former Orpheus says the ring is the symbol of those above mentioned things, the highest achievement possible adorned for all to see. Now it's a symbol of the tainted victory. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's still just like a World Series ring. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I think it's still just like a World Series ring. Yeah. Looks like the other ones as well, you know.

The best, the great part is that they do get really, Astros fans get really mad when you Oh yeah. when you say that though, which is good. Like Can I ask like, is this really that, is this one of those things that's really that Rare or is this a thing where somebody got caught doing something that everybody does it's rare that they get caught Comprehensively as as they did a ton of teams were definitely doing with the Astros did in 2019 Yeah, like there's a little bit of both.

I don't think every team was doing like trash can shit, but definitely they definitely aren't the only ones who have tried to do that kind of thing. Yeah, it was only a year. Yeah, it was science dealing, right? Was that was that like the the center of it? Basically, yeah. Yeah. I was got a big TV, like working out the science as fast as possible and relaying it by banging a big PVC trash can. Yeah. Yep. I was a guy to big TV, like working out the signs as fast as possible and relaying it by banging a big PVC trash can. Yeah.

That's very funny though. I do have to say that, but I heard, I remember hearing about the scandal and just being kind of like, I don't know, this sounds like one of those things that, that everybody's doing. I remember the Patriot stuff and I was like, come on, like everybody's cheating in all professional sports. And it's like college football is the best sport for that, right? Where it's like every single team is cheating, but if they don't get caught, everybody's on their high horse about getting caught though. It is cheating though. It is cheating. So even if everyone's doing it, if you get caught doing it, then there should be, you know, there have to be ramifications

for it. If you don't want to get caught, cheat better, cheat better, do a better job. It's like, it's, this is sports we're talking about. It's competition, you know, do a better job of cheating out, cheat your opponent and don't get caught. Yeah. There's cool ways to cheat and uncool ways to cheat like a hidden ball trick, unquestionably one of the coolest things you could pull off. Yeah. Yeah. Is that it? Is that a trick that they do?

A hidden ball? Like definitely not very often, but it's definitely happened before. It definitely happens at all. Like when when we're playing when we're younger, you could pull it off all the time, you know, like playing like youth baseball, you could pull it off regularly because people weren't really their heads weren't always in the game. You know, we saw it in a college baseball game like last month.

Yeah, it's still fairly not common at that level. Basically, just for anyone. Most people probably know, but just for the people who are listening, if you don't know what it is, is basically like the first baseman goes over and talks to the pitcher and acts like he hands the ball over to him and then like walks back to first base and acts like he hands the ball over to him and then like walks back to first base and he still has the ball but it seems like the pitcher does then the guy leads off and he just tags him out that's what the hidden ball trick is. That goes I mean it's still a ring

though, tight or not for the record I wouldn't want anything to do with the ring from cheating but there are others that'll happily take that trade off. Yeah I would take the ring and the hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'd also take the ring. No question. I'm a ring guy. Hey, look, this guy goes, okay, you can buy a World Series ring, even a real one on eBay. What's the difference if a World Series ring is a ring, right? The difference to me is a ring is only what it represents and now it represents

dishonesty, bad sportsmanship and cheating. This guy's never done a sport in his life. He's never done anything of it, you know, and he's just like having this conversation about these world-class athletes that, you know, they won because yeah, they stole the signals. They didn't, they still had to hit the ball and they still had to you know Like there's still a lot involved in it's not the type of cheating that automatically guarantees you a victory Yeah No, it's actually real to prove any of them benefited like on the pitches that we knew they knew like they still have to then go

And hit like a breaking ball at 87 miles an hour. Yeah, well this this guy this guy sounds like an eight-year-old I'm gonna read you this sentence. this guy sounds like an eight year old. I'm going to read you this sentence. If like this guy is eight years old, he has to be maybe seven. Those rings are going to be salt in the wound for those guys. The whole reason you strive and conduct fair play is that winning a World Series by cheating is hollow. And that's what the ring now represents.

Oh, so I have more than one ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want ring. Yeah, one more. Yeah, we don't talk about the other one, though. And also they, oh yeah. And also they, you know, they've got just like a lot of other stuff as well. Like, you know, like other than just the ring, like there are millions of dollars, millions of dollars of adoration. Yeah, tons of dollars of adoration. No, not at all.

Yeah, tons of challenge coins. Oh, my God. Yeah. As many as they want, Brian, as many as they want. This guy goes, at least you guys have major league teams. We had minor league teams. I was on the river dogs. And then he says in parentheses, oh, yeah, which I found out is owned by bill fucking Murray. Oh, we're

chiving on. Absolutely. I have, I'm in my city. We have a minor league team. No, at one point they were triple A and they were the triple A affiliate of the Oakland Athletics and the it was the California Angels at the time. But and they now they're single a though the single affiliate to Toronto, the Vancouver Canadians, they got an old classic stadium like wood, like been around forever and ever called Nat Bailey Stadium and it is I still go at least one of their. I won't be so bad. It looks so cool. Oh, man, the Nat is so fucking sweet to go watch a game.

Although if you can get caught in the in the sun sometimes. And Brian, are you fucking? What can't stop with the eating pussy stuff? So weird. That's my tongue. It's a magic trick I do. He's got a fake tongue. It's...

He's got all these magic. He's got all these magic things that he hasn't... He doesn't understand how to use them or utilize them for like magical purposes. So he just like... Getting to be a close up magician? I'm hoping. I am. I'm getting pretty good at it. I, I, I have not getting good at it at all. That's the thing I talked about last time is he's not like,

he's not in any way moving along in his journey as a magician. You know, he, he pulls out his, his thumb and he just moves it around and it's just a thumb that lights up, you know, and it's tricky through a webcam. I feel for you, Brian. Yeah. Magician. I'll be honest with you. Like he's I'll be honest with you. I've never I've never even this is I've never met Brian in real life ever before.

I've never been in the same room as him, but I just I don't feel like he's got what it takes to be a magician. I just don't I just don't think he can do it. I'm sorry if that's me. That's hate. That's real evil. Let's see cops when you're doing slight a hand. I'm going to be. I'm going to. It would probably help him.

People would be staring at it like, you know, looking at his arms. Yeah. My thumbs are. are nothing at my sleeve. Easy joke. Yeah. I can't find my thumb. So you're that's unlucky for you. Ways to improve the game with the oh no, we already went just on your hand beside your fingers. But I my light up magic isn't currently working right now.

This guy's got the simplest tricks that he's can't even fucking figure out how to do Hey, do you think MLB could force angel Hernandez out of games if they if they could they would oh, I wish No, I wish though lawsuits about this thing really There have been lawsuits about this. He really truly is the worst, like I think one of the worst officials of any sort of sport in the US. Statistically proven. Yeah.

We had Sean Doolittle, former Nats pitcher on our show, and we brought up Angel Hernandez because he was in the news that week. And Sean told a story about how like, like angels just the nicest guy in the world though Yeah, it's it's like it's really like you just can't like actually get mad at him if you're a player like Or you get mad at him on the field and then they'll be like fine. A minute later. It's very, that's probably why he's still around. You know what I mean? Because everyone's like, angel, you have blue like 19 calls today. Oh gee, I'm real sorry. Remember when he was, when he blew a bunch of calls in Philly and when he was like pulling out of the stadium, even Philly's fans were like, Oh, hey, hey, angel.

Like, so he has some sort of weird charisma that he can like just calm people down. They have a terrible, terrible, like you should get another job in the game. You know what I mean? Where he's not making calls or whatever. Now this guy has an idea for that. Let me help you out here. I am at I imagine it would be very difficult for MLB to actually fire Angel Hernandez because of the umpires union.

Very strong union, the umpires union. He goes, are they, however, forced to actually put him in a game crew? Could they force a review? But yeah, I would think that would be in the collective bargaining agreement. There was a lawsuit where he, you know, he sued them because they weren't putting him on like, playoff crews. Yeah. So yes, that like, they can't. So it's really the responsibility of the umpires union to be like, all right, angel, I don't think they're doing that. It's not happening. Because if they can do that, but don't, I'm forced to conclude that MLB, this is a conclusion

that I think we're all going to have to, he goes that MLB approve of Angel Hernandez behavior. All publicity is good publicity, as it were. Rock solid reasoning there. It's funny because like really dumb guys heard all publicity is good publicity and they like don't understand that that's dependent on what the bad publicity is. Like Harvey Weinstein. It that publicity was very bad for him when you don't think it was good for his production company. You don't talk for his project or his brand. That was bad. But listed still running Miramax, right? Yeah. This guy goes unions. How do they work? So now we're going to get some

baseball fans opinions on how unions work. They in all business protect bad behavior and allow horrible people to keep jobs. They are not qualified to hold in the first place. Unions are for the people, are not for the people, let alone baseball. Fact is it's just another institution that's built on protecting those who are bad at what they do. It's maddening in 2024 America. The baseball player union is probably like the getting membership in it.

It's like the most meritocratic thing there is. Like in the world. I don't know how you could say like, this protects people who are bad at their jobs. Like guys get caught all the time. Well, but umpires. Yeah, you need to be good. This is the powerful umpires union though yeah and uh

where we promote those who cannot do the work and ignore modern technology that can replace these people robot umps hello robot ump alert dude you have to call for the robot they're doing like the like triple parentheses umpire union i think that when they're talking about robot, I'm so I think really people are like genuinely discounting how important it is to be able to get mad at the umpires or like the referees in a game. Like for me, I know I'm a, you know, I'm a big baseball fan, but I'm also just a big sportsman. I have season tickets to the white caps. And like a big part of it is like, you know, I've got, I've, I mentioned I have the baby and it's like, you got a lot of stuff going on. It's real stressful. And then you go out into this fucking stadium and you can scream and yell at this grown

man and just like, why are you fucking like, just like, and everyone around you is like, yeah, like they're with you and they're like, and it's like this cathartic kind of thing where everyone kind of understands it. And these guys sign up for it knowing that it's going to happen and they're going to get a decent paycheck for it. And it's just like, I think it's a really big, important part of sports that I think if you got rid of it, it would, it would like people would get upset right pretty quickly. I mean in the biggest fake sport, right? And like wrestling is a fake sport where they take the things that people like about regular sports and turn it up and the referee in wrestling is the most

hated person in the whole fucking room. And it's because you want to go, you want to, you want to boo the heels and you want to be mad at the referee for missing calls like that's part of the fucking fun. You're exactly right. This guy goes. It has more to do with Hernandez suing MLB for alleged racism for a third time than it does the union. It's cheaper to placate him in that and then fight him in court. Your opinions on unions in general are wrong, but that's a different topic.

OK, all right. He didn't lose that lawsuit, by the way. You said, no, we can demonstrate you're really bad. It's not because. Yeah, I know that's there's a lot of footage you could show in that courtroom that would help your case out if you're trying to fire Angel Hernandez. And they did they read it into the public record. Yeah.

Yeah. This guy goes. So here we go. This is this is where it gets good. The original poster goes by fighting to keep their workers collecting paychecks. This is talking about unions, not necessarily by fighting to keep their workers collecting paychecks. This is talking about unions, not necessarily by fighting to keep incompetent workers in positions they aren't qualified for. So Higgity flow says, uh, bro has never heard of a police union before.

There we go. This guy, this next person says, you do not have a lot of experience with unions, I'm going to guess. I'm not anti-union. But if you think there isn't rampant protection of shitty union members, well, like I said, you do not have a lot of experience with unions. Now the original poster comes back. This is great.

This makes me so happy. Of course, there are instances of unions defending shitty people. Many years ago, a friend of mine was a raging alcoholic who fired from his I love these stories are all I mean, like as a guy who did pro union very pro union podcast for many years, everybody I met in person that knew I was pro union had a story like this. Yeah. Unless they were a fan of the show, you know, he goes many years ago, a friend of mine was a raging alcoholic who was fired from his job at a manufacturing facility for showing up late and drunk repeatedly.

The union fought for him and got his job back. But you know what the union couldn't do? Make the employer keep him on the line, whereas drunkenness was a hazard to himself and everyone around him. In this case, I have never once argued that MLB should fire Angel Hernandez, rather that they should try to shift him into a non-on-field position while continuing to pay him his salary and then ask why they don't do that. And all I get is a bunch of pricks coming in here LMFAO I guess you don't know anything

about unions. bunch of absurd, utterly thoughtless statements. Holy shit that guy. So like his ego is so bruised up. He got. He just could not believe. He's not done. Oh really. got. He just could not believe he's not done. Oh, really? This guy goes, the guy goes, Oh, no, you don't like what I wrote. Whatever will I do?

So he's like just like resupplied with this, like a button. They clearly it's been like really troubling him. He's just like at the end of it, he signs it off with, Oh, you guys, we got a problem as if I care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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The oh no, you don't like what I wrote. Whatever what I do is the reply to him. Oh, okay. Next guy go and then he comes back and says, Oh, for fuck's sake, you're a child. And then the guy responds and says, Yeah, more or less. And I'm laughing at you from a Tiki bar, Oceanside. Love me some spring. I'm drinking a big blue drink out of a coconut.

It's a umbrella right now. And I'm only about big blue drink out of a coconut. It's a umbrella on it right now. I'm only about fucking 18 years old. He's basically a child sitting poolside with a teaky. This guy's awesome. Another guy goes, yeah, another guy goes, you literally just don't understand unions and are lashing out at people who do. Why would a union care about competence? It's not about that. Because here's his last response. Then explain it to me, oh wise swami, illuminate me about your deep understanding of your workings of unions because

that's essentially what I was asking for to begin with. But snark is more fun, isn't it? This man is exactly 57 years old. Oh, yeah. I've never seen this. I'm fluent in snark, so I might be able to help out here. Let's get this last thing in here real quick. Can I just tell a quick, Mike, a quick favorite thing about the MLB umpires, the favorite thing that they've done in recent history. So like, I think it was like 2017 or 2018. They were getting really pissed off that people were like, you know, protesting while they

were at the other ejections and stuff and yelling at the umps, you know, the classic like managers kicking dirt on me guys screaming at me after I throw them out So they were like we're gonna do a protest and wear white wristbands Around our our wrists while we while we umpire games Like it was like it was like such like a cop like thin blue line stickers sort of thing Like it was it was so awesome. That is great. I think they were for multiple years, too They were really yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they were going hard on those. Yeah. So this post was a really great,

really good question to ask. I mean, it's not obvious at all, but he goes, why are umpires against automation? Wonder why. Oh wow, really? Yeah. It's hard to answer. You know, and then some of the stuff he says in here is so not scientifically.

It's incredible. He goes, it's probably just recency bias, but the umpiring has been dreadful this year, right? I'm sure that technology has clarified the once muddy water of close calls and every game being broadcast shines a spotlight on a truly baffling botched plays. But this year has been exceptionally bad. So why are the umpires and their union against automation or at least computer assistance? Like wouldn't they want to get the calls right? There's a case we made for automation. Anytime this argument comes up though, it's I just paid. It's the exact same energy as the guys who like on any article about the minimum wage post a picture of the McDonald's touch screens.

Yeah, yeah, I don't think I think I've noticed really about the baseball guys is they don't seem to be asking for a robot behind home plate, but no, they seem to be asking for the guy behind home plate to have an earpiece in. Exactly. That's how it works is that they have a earpiece in that like, you know, buzzes once for strike or twice for ball or something. And a lot of these systems that they're trying out to they do have like a challenge system like they talked about earlier, like exactly what that guy said, where like, you know, once or twice a game or whatever, you can like challenge a ball and strike. Like they're testing all of this stuff out, including using the Robotums like in the minors.

Excited. I'm going to a minor league game soon to meet Corbin Burns. Yeah. Oh hell yeah. Doing like major league sort of shit. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. I do. And major league sort of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As a big fan of a psych and major league Corbin burns and guy anyway. So why are the umpires? So he goes, uh, when any betrayal of tradition be balanced by the greater good of doing what's right for the integrity of the game. Now, here's a good one. This thing that I don't think is even in the works. I'm not talking about drones or droids manning the baselines, which

he's talking about C3PO when he says droids, like, what does he have in his mind for droids? Droid. Yeah. But why can't the home plate umpire have a little tablet in his pocket that he can consult on close pitches, a little pocket pitch tracker, if you will, wouldn't it be a similar technological advancement to the hockey style mask? Wouldn't it merely be a better view? And when people say the umpires are not held accountable that the fans can see as a result of them having a strong union, what does that mean? Can somebody maybe enlighten that to me? So the first sounds like this dipshit doesn't know thing one about unions. Let's get them. They could just use the Google glasses or whatever though, right?

just use the Google glasses or whatever though, right? And like they could use that thing. Yeah, they could they could have the strikes on there and it could literally show them like they could just be watching straight through and then they could see it. But I don't know if you guys like it like, it does feel like I would I do understand why the they wouldn't want that. I mean, hey, hey, hey, we got this fucking technology that makes you completely obsolete, but we're gonna let you fucking tag along with it in the beginning and you can wear some glasses using the technology, you know, like it wouldn't make me feel super secure in my job. I mean, I also don't think that I am not like a big traditional guy in any sense.

Well, in some senses, you are no senses. You are literally just doing close up magic that you got from a joke shop. Yeah. Yeah. Like 1950s coded. I'll tell you what you're not today. Definitely not when it comes to fucking wrestling because the shit you shut up. I'm traditional when it comes to wrestling. I like the good. You guys wrestling fans at all? Not at all. Hey, because the because the matches nowadays are unwatchable for the territory. Listen, I'm open to it.

It's just it's there's a lot going on there. They're like, you're right. There's a lot involved. I can send you some like I have some comments. Some mid 80s stuff. If you want, even earlier we could, I can show you some great matches between the Harley race and Bruno. I didn't go, but I tailgated WrestleMania. That's the big one. That's the big one. And then I went home and I'm like, ah, a bunch of my friends are talking. Oh, yeah. That's the big one. That's the bad one. And then I went home and I'm like, a bunch of my friends are at this. Let me turn it on.

And I turn it on and I'm like, wow. This is not good. Even gayer than I thought it was. And I know it's gay, but like it's really gay. There's a little bit of pageantry to it, definitely. And that's what I appreciate. You go over and watch that other crap. I mean. You can't even say it's gay. It doesn't even have the good gay parts to it. It's just a bunch of these guys are smashing and there's blood everywhere and they don't understand the like a good wrestling match has a minimum one 10 minute headlock and every baseball too. Yeah. You got to let it breathe. The matches should

take a really long time. Yeah. Well, here's a good point about it. You were talking about how the umpires don't want to lose their job, right? Funny ID says, first of all, so on the baseball subreddit, you can put your favorite team under your name, right? Yeah. So, you know, guard acts likes to call it right Iraqis.

This guy does not have he has Major League Baseball. Just under the whole like the like the red hat. Yeah, he goes depending on how baseball is automated jobs could be gained with the computerized strike zone, for example, home plate umpires would start many things to do at home plate and likely be at least one more person hired per game would be need would need to be hired. So for somebody to fix the tech they also would have they'd have to have an IT guy on so that's one more job to code it and figure it out. Yeah I mean it could be seen as job creation definitely guy goes seriously for every bad call There's a couple hundred good calls and then the OP comes back and says that's valid. I'm being reactionary

Maybe the problem is less about the job than the umpires do a more about their apparent arrogance I don't know. So now the umpires are arrogant not wrong about that And arrogance, I don't know. So now the umpires are arrogant. Not wrong about that. Um, that's yeah. Yeah. But they, I guess they kind of have to have that. Like when people are constantly yelling at you

and challenging every single thing that you say, you have to have this like confidence in yourself. That's almost like, you know, unwarranted or whatever. I mean, you gotta feel, you gotta feel so confidence in yourself. So confidence in yourself. Let's go. Let's go. Hey, we got three people on the call here. We could get a pretty good flub chant going, you know. Yeah, I think that it's hard because there's a delay, but that was a pretty good one. That was pretty up in the editing. Yeah, that was one of

the better ones you've done in a while. That was, that was like, yeah, that one made you sound like a real, real do for him. He goes, you kind of have to be arrogant. You have 30,000 people ready to rip you a new one. If they think you even slightly messed up a call, not to mention if you do mess up, it's going to be broadcast on the big screen for everyone to see. I feel like umpires need to be confident or arrogant. Otherwise they'll just question themselves and then the calls will get progressively worse and worse. See CB Buckner's amazing Buckner. He's another one who's famously a very bad umpire.

There's a few of them. If there's an umpire whose name, you know, yes Yeah, there's only what's the guy's name now at gym the one who blew the big call the perfect game call Who's actually really good umpire? But now I forget his name so that sort of goes to what you're saying But yeah, I only knew his name because that one you guys know what I'm talking about, right? Where there's a game and he blew the call on first base or whatever. Yeah. And he had that really emotional where he like felt so bad

and he's like apologized and cried about it. And then the guy forgave him and it was a really beautiful sports moment. It was. I will say that there's a level of baseball sicko. There is like a group of baseball fans who know one good umpire because he is the best umpire. And he's like umpire, who know one good umpire because he is the best umpire and he's like umpire the only like perfect umpire game in history the other year pat hoberg i believe is his name he's like the one good umpire you have to be like like deep into baseball weirdo analytics fandom to to to know him okay that makes sense a normal person like a regular

casual fan if you know the name it means they are terrible. I'm kind of I can't find a pro angel hernandez shirt to buy. I've never even considered that umpire shirts like like your fans of those yeah like a fan like you know one of those ones that like has all the different. Com or whatever. Yeah, has all the different like faces of him or whatever. You know, like one of those. And we cut this so we can do this as a merch drop for our podcast.

No, it's all you take it all by one. If you can also these episodes, this won't come out for like a month or something. Oh, good. OK. OK, we find Angel Hernandez.'s shirts is really really good. Crazy. People might get mad like he's wrong. So many fan bases though you know that like if you walk in on the street you might get people talking shit to you you know like if they're a big fan of a particular team. Now before before we go, I have to tell you all about this, this thing I didn't cut

because it was like kind of long and boring, but it was one of the things about speeding the game up or, or no, it was about the designated hitter. Okay. And they're talking about the national league, getting the designated hitter, which I did that happen happened or it did. Yeah, it was great. It was fine. No one cared about it ever again. Yeah. Yeah.

Nobody wants to see the pitchers go up there and try to like and hit. Yeah, terrible, terrible. And it was just an awful part of the game that nobody. All they would do is sacrifice pretty much every single time. If there was any opportunity at all. Just look at three, go right by him. Yeah, terribly. With the exception of a few like Mike Hampton was even Maddox.

He was my favorite pitcher ever and he could hit a bit, but most of them. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Great. So this is incredibly funny. This guy is like in good faith, trying to figure out a way around putting the DH in the national league.

And he comes up with this plan. And this plan is that in the National League, they only have eight batters. And then the ninth batter is the first bat. And this guy got screamed at so they wouldn't have a designated hitter, but the batters, there would be eight batters. And then so fuck it. hitter but the batters there would be eight batters and then so fucking I have never seen somebody all that way did on that's good that is so stupid he was clueless as to why everybody was mad and everybody's like you know fuck the stats

up like that's freaking out about the stats and stuff. It is what I do. That's like my role in baseball fandom. Well, it was great to have you all. Yeah, this was so fun because like whenever I listen to the show, like frequently, it'll like be about something I kind of like. So it'll be like, like I just listen to this ethnic farland one and I'm like, I like American bad a lot. I love of like. So it'll be like, like I just listened to the Seth MacFarlane one and I'm like, I like American dad a lot.

I love American dad. I did say in the episode that I like American dad. Or like, when I was listening to like the Warhammer one and, and I'd be like, yeah, I know that that's midwinter minty, midwinter minis that you're talking about. Like I knew the guy, like YouTube clips you were using and stuff. So like, it's nice to come on one of these and like, and like be like, oh yeah, fuck, fuck these guys. These guys are all idiots that you're talking about instead of being like, Oh, I'm kind of, that's kind of me. We've said many times before, we, as we always said, Brian came up with it, but the idea

is that yeah, it's okay to be a bunch of different guys. You just don't want to be one single guy. That's, you know, and you also don't want to be if you're in the lifestyle, uh, a single guy. Single guys, no thanks. We are against them. We were going to fight for their rights at one point and then we decided they're disgusting. To be clear, we like single guys like outside of the lifestyle.

Fine. There's a lot of single guys. Great. But within the swinger lifestyle, they are despicable. They are vermin. They are lower than drummed out of town. But yeah, it was great to have you all. This is like the fourth crossover we've done.

I like. Yeah. And this is we've never had three people on this is this is the most people that we've had on an episode. It was really. We're honored. Yeah. Excel episode. Can I?

I do have to really embarrassingly correct myself on one thing. I'm the analog stork of our podcast, so I know people will own me online if I don't say this. I misspoke when I was explaining 32 outcomes. I said it was walks. Yes. I hit home run. It's actually walks home runs. Strike out.

I said hits it. It's not hits its runs. Strike out. I said hits it. It's not hits its home run. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say something at a time, but it was moving pretty fast. So yeah, you did it. We all we all caught it. All of us.

Yeah. Yeah. With the exception of Brian, who rolled right past. He had no idea. When I said confidence, what I was trying to say is the umpire has to have. Yeah. Not be afraid to kick out a police officer. Right. It's batting around.

We'll go around. Steven, what's where where can we find you? Most places at Tango Golf Kilo and Lauren. We know Lauren, but yeah, where are you? Follow me on Twitter. You're better off not following me on Twitter. You're better off. She's the best. But and Jane. Yeah, like I guess Twitter at Jane Aust underscore, but yeah, don't follow me either. I don't. Oh, you think you're fine. Take it back then. I don't want to be done too. I'm done as well on there.

I'm not telling people to follow me anymore. I'm officially done on the, you know, I do. I go there and check it in the morning and see what Brian's posted. I'll shut him down and make fun of him. He made any mistakes or whatever, but I'm not really on there as much. He made any mistakes and find them around BATT around and the Twitter's BATT around and you're also great. Well, I go listen to their podcast. I haven't listened to it before, but I'm going to because I had such a good time talking about baseball with you guys. And you guys clearly know what

you're talking about. And you talk about it in like an interesting way that I can, you know what I mean? Like I listen to a lot of sports podcasts and I find it hard because they talk like too like normal kind of way or whatever, you know, they talk too like serious about stuff or whatever. So yeah, we just fucking shoot our mouths off. Yeah. I appreciate that. All right. See you all next week with a show. I don't have an answer for what it is. No one asked the question.