Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 80 - Star Trek Guys with Will Menaker and Aaron Thorpe

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

When people asked for a Star Trek Guys episode we said that we would "make it so" So we had Will Menaker from Chapo Trap House and Aaron Thorpe from The Trillbillies Workers Party on so that me and Chris (cool jocks) didn't outnumber the guests. We looked into r/startrek to see what the biggest fans are talking about. What kinda shoes should the people on the startship wear? Who would win between Star Wars and Star Trek? Why is star trek going broke? I think we all know the answer to that (woke) There is much more Chris at twitter.com/thecjs and of course https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/murderxbryan twitter.com/murderxbryan and  https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social   Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to guys, a podcast about guys. I am your captain, Brian Gwimby. With me is a guy who thinks Captain Janeway was justified in what she did to two Vicks. Chris James. Sorry. Yeah. You'll never believe what she did to two Vicks, Chris. Two Vicks was a one Vicks. And then he turned into two and then she fucking killed the guy. And so you're you're you're like opening up with a super specific.

There's like isn't there like a million episodes of this? I think. Well, listen, let me get the guests on because I'll explain it. What when the guests are on in case they have anything we have from the Trill Billy's Aaron Thorpe. Hi, Aaron. Hey, what's up, y'all? Thanks for having me. One brother and from Chapo's Trap House, we have Will Menacher. Hey, Will. Hello. Thank you for making it so

I will be engaging on this episode. So sounds like those are it sounds like those are references, but I don't we will boldly go where no man has gone before. I know that one. OK, let me see. I want to get this up here real quick, because the reason I open with that is because I spent a lot of time on the Star Trek subreddit and her cannot just say a cursed subreddit. This is as bad as some of them.

Listen, you should see some subreddit. I'm running. It's like it's all relative. There are some of them that are, I mean, we just did porno guys. I was going to say, I just just did porno guys. Yeah, I was gonna say, I just saw the porno guys episode come up. Yeah, like that one actually managed to really make me like feel disgusted, you know?

That's how. So, okay, so on Reddit, you can get flares, right? So it kind of tells you what the post is about. Well, in the Star Trek subreddit there are only two flares one is faith of the heart appreciation thread the other flair is red alert to Vicks discourse so I think it's a bit what is the first of all it is pronounced to Valk, not to Vic. Wow. Wow. Huge. You walk is, you know, he's a Vulcan.

He's he's a full blooded Vulcan, you know, because a lot of spots walk as a Valk, right? He's a black Vulcan at that. He's half Vulcan. Yeah. To Valk is a black Vulcan. That's why she killed him. But full Vulcan, not half Vulcan. And he is on the starship Voyager commanded by Captain Jane.

And he's sort of a he's sort of a no-nonsense character. So I'm interested to see what the Tuvok discourse is about, which one is that? But I think, Will, I think Brian is referencing that episode where Neelix and Tuvok, where they get in the transporter accident, and they become a new amalgamation of both characters. Like the fly.

Yeah, basically they transition basically and Janeway kills this character at the end. Yeah, because it has to. Yeah, because it's the most annoying character ever. It is the most annoying. It is a combination of what character? It is a combination of, well, Tuvok is fine, but Neelix. I like Tuvok, but I hate Neelix.

I mean, Neelix is also, we'll get into it, but Neelix, you could argue that neelix is also a pedophile because in the show, the character that he has a relationship with, her species is technically nine years old. She looks like a full grown adult, like humanoid. Yeah, well, it's OK. Yeah, that is OK. It's fine. Yeah, I think we should.

I think we should get into a talk about it for quite Brian You want to talk about that? Well, she killed she like so here's the discourse I Read about this she could have figured out a way to separate them But not only did she kill them, but she killed it in a very cold way So that was like I feel like there's I I feel like people couldn't be enjoying that. Like if you're not a fan of Star Trek, they must be, nobody, I don't know, cause I have no idea about any of this stuff.

It's just, it's a meaningless name. Let's start with a perfect thing from the sub Reddit. This is a, our climbed steady cam. And I'm reading this because this is exactly what a person who doesn't watch Star Trek thinks a star trek guy is like. I met Spock that is Spock of the alias Ethan Peck and I am implored to report of his delightful demeanor approachability and genuine personableness despite my unashamedly interrupting his consumption of what appeared to be delicious tacos. Fuck hell.

This is this is an actor who played Spock. Yeah, he just met an actor. I play Spock on the new updated the new what they call New Trek. So I just want to be clear to there are I mean maybe not in the wider Trek community, but I'm just like I'm an old head, right? So not even so much TOS the original series But I really like the 1980s 90 shows like the next generation Deep Space Nine and Voyager and he I even like Enterprise a little bit

So like for me new Trek like they spell it with like, I guess, new metal. Like new metal. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's harrisome. I like that. That shit does not exist to me. I do not like that show. I don't like you don't you don't recognize it as even being part of the Trek. No, no, man, because what it feels like is it feels like when JJ Abrams took over the Star Trek movies, it feels like he really wanted to do Star Wars, right? He really wanted to do like this real, I don't know, I guess, sleek kind of action, action based or action focused Trek that in my opinion,

a lot of the affectations of like prestige TV now or I don't know, the science fiction now on TV, like Trek didn't have any of those things, man. Like it didn't have cheesy ad music. So I had a score, but a lot of conversations on the ship would just be held with the ambient noise of like, they were boring. They were boring. You know, I agree. I agree. I would often tune. I would often like, unfortunately come across it and it was always on all the channels and

every incarnation of it. And they would always just be like having some conversation about like, oh yeah, like about like the protocols on the ship and stuff. It like it like like I'd never watched the whole episode. But to me, the snippets that I caught were like so remarkably boring for something that was on TV that it was almost like mesmerizing for me. I well, I, I so my brother is a Star Trek head. Next generation.

He didn't watch the old Picard, right? Yeah. Yeah, we get what will what's your what's your favorite? What is your like for my for my truck? Bonifides here, I've seen every episode of the original series and Voyager at least once, and I've seen every episode of the Next Generation and Deep Space Nine probably three or four times. And you know, I've I've I've tried to watch the new track per Aaron's description of it.

I would call it lens flare track. And it's like, put the Aaron thing. It's like, it's a little too sleek. And what I appreciate about classic track for the old heads, I mean, per Chris's, per your consumption of it, where it's just people talking about, you know, the the, you know, the the regular the regulators in the in the alpha crystal matrix. And it just Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you. You're saying words I don't

know as well. That's the key point. Yeah, it's just, you know, filling in sci fi jargon. But what I appreciate about like the original series TNG up until about Voyager is the things that are a hurdle for the, I guess, casual viewer, you know, like the sort of like the sets, the cheesy makeup, the kind of like the models, there's sort of a a tactile quality to it there. I think to appreciate Trek, you have to bring your imagination to it. You have to fill in the gaps with your imagination.

Is it all looks so fake? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know. Mind to open with your imagination. Is it all looks so fake? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know. My answer would be open up your mind. Yeah, if you sort of just fall into that world, then yeah, like it's something. I mean, clearly, listen, it has this incredible following. And Brian, I do want to get back. You were anytime Brian's I was talking about his family in any way.

I want to make sure we get to that because it's often the most fucked up shit you've ever heard in your life. So what you you're you know, someone who's at your brother's brother big time into my brother, the guy that burned his face in the car huffing gas. That's right. He was a guy. You see, that's usually what it's usually something like that. People of discerning taste. An intellectual cast of mine.

Unlike a Philistine like Chris, who just wants to see lasers go pew pew. There was a there was a meme going around of the the the Mount Rushmore of Huffing. And people were sending it to me and I was like, why am I getting this? And I remembered, oh, yeah, I co-host the podcast with Brian. They're just they're sending it to me because Brian is famously. So he would turn it on and I would complain a whole time. So one time he has it on and my girlfriend's coming over. She gets over and we get downstairs and he's like,

why are you always watching this shit while Star Trek's onto me? And I got so fucking mad. And I was like, we're fucking leaving. And he walked out. And he tried to like, he was like trying to embarrass you by saying I like Star Trek. You got so offended.

I was like, somebody calls you racist or something like that. No, it's true. When I was younger, it's true. If someone like told me like, you're like, you like Star Trek, I would be like so mad about that. I don't even know why. I just knew from pop culture and stuff, you know what I mean? Like Simpsons and stuff. There was the whole idea of a Trekkie being a nerd. I didn't know any real Trekkies or anything like that. Well, I said, don't tell her that. This is your show. And I was, it was just very much like a-

But that doesn't matter at that moment. He wins it when he calls it early. If you start saying, no, that's show you like, it doesn't sound real. But anyway, this guy goes to someone who works in the entertainment industry. I've long lost any measure of excitement when it comes to actors and celebrities. I've been on set with plenty of a Lister's and I've been successfully jaded, especially out in public. I never approach public figures, but of a Lester's and I've been successfully jaded especially out in public I never approach public figures

But as a frothing trek lover I was woefully unprepared for how excited I would be to see this person who I consider to be giving a most splendid performance of this character That's the kind of that's the kind of open-hearted earnest Sincerity yeah you get from the trek community Again, that's the kind of open-hearted, earnest sincerity that you get from the Trek community. Unlike the jaded hipsters who host this program.

Yeah, we're sort of, I guess we'd be considered most, and this is not by our own, but we would be considered part of the swingers community. Right. Even though neither of us are swingers, that's the community we're most a part of, probably. And it is a disgusting community. I mean, I like, you know, I feel some pouty co with this Reddit poster because, you know, I find myself somewhat jaded by celebrity and public figures. But I would say of the people I would approach in public, it would be Patrick Stewart and Lisa Ann.

So these are my interests. This is what I would say. A most splendid performance. Who's the second one? Go back into the episode you just recorded. I just don't know the name. Porno. Oh, yeah. He's an adult film star. This, yeah I just know any porno. I know I'm not as we just Know I'm not super familiar with pornography. Let's take a look Brian. Can I cuz I don't like any of the good things in life

I don't know. We'll said like I will say that the trek I don't like again. I don't like new trek I don't care about Ethan Peck or any of these actors, but I will say that the Trek community and I feel like the actors who have played Trek characters are like every Brooks, for example, he plays Captain Sisco. If I ever met that man, I would cry. You know what I mean? So I understand like, I love that. I understand the love for the franchise and the community I think reflects like some of

the wholesome wholesome this of the show, unlike other fandoms where they try to get people killed. You know what I mean? It would make sense that the actors would start to sort of understand their importance in people's lives. You know what I mean? Like people who like everything revolves around it or whatever. And yeah, it would probably like make for a nicer sort of community in that way or their like interactions would probably be a little bit different.

And I understand that wanting to say, you know, someone that you love, it's like, I don't care about celebrities, but like if this person from this shit, that would care about that. Well, let's check in with our Star Trek. What Starfleet rank do you feel like you are? This guy goes on 38. I don't know the ranks. this guy goes on 38, but I feel like I'm only a lieutenant I can't tell if that means Oh grind harder 38 Lower lower text episode they just have military or some shit.

You have military ranks is that it's like it's like it's like the Navy, basically. Yeah, it's so good. These guys, I love these guys because that is a really I mean, that's actually to me, that's a balanced way to look at yourself. Although some would say maybe it's a, you know, maybe low self-esteem to make yourself somebody at the bottom at 30. Maybe he's not maybe he's still working towards is, you know what maybe low self-esteem to make yourself somebody at the bottom at 30. Maybe he's not maybe he's still working towards his you know what I mean? Maybe he's like gone back to school or something and he's like still working towards his ultimate goal and he just sees himself still at the bottom rung

but you know, but it does sound like a sad fucking dude. The benefit to being on the lower rung like that is like you know you don't you don't have to go out there when they go on the away missions, most likely and die, right? Especially if you're wearing a red shirt, right? Which I think is what what is red, right? Command will, right? Yeah, in the by next generation, it's command, right? By next generation's command. So like in the original series, it was engineering, but they right. It was engineering. Right, right. So I mean, if it was me, I'd be like, yeah, man, I just want I want to be the guy who actually works in like the bar that they have on the enterprise. Yeah. Yeah. I want to be I want to be that guy.

I want to be able to explore the universe, but maybe not in a way that would be an injury to myself. Well, this guy goes, I'm the guy in the transporter room. So that's a boring job on the enterprise. What's the? I don't even know why it's a boring job. I don't even know why it's a job. You just press a button and someone materializes. You're like, oh, there it is. You know, they haven't invented like a point of view.

Oh, that's kind of true, dog. Like, why is it not automated? Yeah. Well, Eric, yeah, I got a guy really silly when you hear this. Transporter chief is a more prestigious job than it seems. This is a person replying to that person. One must master sensor imaging, quantum mechanics, transporter, holographic dynamics. One must understand xenobiology and medicine.

One must know Starfleet protocol well. One must have enough security training to defend themselves against surprise threats and enough diplomatic and cultural training to be the first person a new culture representative beaming on board meets. If you look at the insignias on the show, it's often lieutenants at the transporter room and chief O'Brien and NCO eventually goes on to be the head of Starfleet engineering at the academy. So that's what that's what all of these transporter dorks tell themselves.

Yeah, but you're a button push. You're a button push. Oh, you're so well trained diplomatically to press that button. I'm going to be over here on the away mission. I'm going to the planet of sexy green ladies with three pyrite reading every every every six months. I love the idea of one guy saying he is one and then another guy being like, I don't think you're qualified to.

You actually don't know quantum mechanics. This guy does not know the lithium crystals. He does not know ball. You know, he did some of those. Are those all real words that he said. I think, yes, they make. So I got looking into some stuff and they do make, which is this is interesting a little bit to me.

And I'm telling you right now, I kinda, and people are gonna goof on me because it happens all the time. I'm kinda more interested in Star Trek than I was before we started working on this to the point where I'm kind of like, I think if I watched it now, I could kind of figure it out

and understand what people like about it. That's first time in my life that ever happened. Other than the JJ Abrams movies, which I find to be great. I love those movies. Heresy, but okay. Heresy, but okay. That's heretical, but okay. Yeah, I don't like them.

That's one thing I can agree with you guys on is I also don't like the Star Trek movies. Oh, I love when they shoot at each other and said like the J.J. Abrams once got some stuff in. I know. And I I like almost every movie. I'm so positive about movies and there's something I just like could not. I'm like, it looks good and everything. But I think I can't get I don't care about any of this.

I just can't like get my hooks into this at all. I think when I was a kid, like I said, it was just I think that it was always on and constantly on when I wish that other stuff was on those channels. You know, yeah, like just whatever. Yeah. Raw or something, whatever. I just like wanted to be watching. It was like, yeah, there was like some bullshit Star Trek. And I think I kind of held it against it for my whole life.

It was wrestling for me. It was based nine. It was Deep Space Nine and Next Generation. Those were the those were the two that were on. Yeah, you asked earlier about what his what his favorite tracks are. And I mean, TNG and DS 9, but it's not as my favorite track because it's a black man running a space station. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I was the first black captain that was think about how insane that was for white people who watched this cat this franchise 40 something years and then they just put it they put a brother in there man and now but it was Boring, it was so boring. That was a A black can be just as boring as a white guy The white guy. He was equally as boring as the other guys. Aaron brings up, you know, like the which would sound stupid to say now, but like how how groundbreaking or revolutionary it was to have a black guy

be the captain of a Star Trek series. First of all, he actually started out as a commander on that show. He had to be promoted into the rank of captain. But in the documentary about Deep Space Nine, they talk about how for the first three seasons of their show, they made every Brooks have hair instead of instead of just going the full big bald look, because they thought that that would look too radical for like a mainstream audience. You know, and then by season four, where it really kicks into gear, he goes full shaven.

He's got the goatee and then like then then then he then he is in full Cisco mode full Cisco mode committing war crimes at that point That's the this guy goes here's a little good riff. You guys are gonna like this a little riff Academy dropout says this one guy this guy replies and goes at least you got into the Academy. I didn't even pass the entry. This next guy, your name is the ref got both of you beat. I got expelled from the whole planet because I said I could do better than Zephyrum Cochrane. The inventor of the war drives Zephyrum Cochrane. It's just like I don't know.

I just want to point something out real quick. Does that from Cochran as well said is the inventor of the warp drive and in the scene of fictional universe. And the reason why the new Star Trek's fucking suck is because in a season of episode of Star Trek Discovery on Paramount Plus, they have I guess they're referencing the history of like flight, you know, and of Starfleet. And one of the names that they throw in there with the Zephyrine Cochran and the Wright

brothers is Elon Musk. Oh, no. That was repellent. Yes. It was disgusting. It was just disgusting. That's what Dad did. Rat4204 says, I'm a 38 year old IT guy.

I feel like a Lieutenant commander, but like an engineering lieutenant, a la Jordy. Like I have the responsibilities and capabilities of a mid rank, but you're not likely to find me leadership unless it's a tech based scenario or literally all the other higher ups are gone. So he's also not also not likely to get any girls because Jordy was Pussyless most of that show. Oh, man. Yeah. Well, man. Yeah.

Well, I was not about Jordy's. I was what I appreciate about Jordy's character arc on TNG. Is that like it taught me not to be a bitch and how to get closer? Well, they just don't be like Jordy. Don't don't scare the hoes like Jordy. Don't they make a made but they got more pussy than Jordy's. That is a robot. You know that this person.

Wait, wait, sorry. Did they talk about him not getting pussy? I don't understand. Like, was it was not in those crude terms. But Jordy is always like seeking a Goldberg shoulder to cry on about like girls just want me to be friends. You know, I don't know. I want to date the holodeck. Yeah, he's getting friends on living in the friend zone. We can solve the problems created by, you know, the scarcity of resources in a capitalist economy, but we cannot solve the friend zone. It is still a problem in

the 20th century. Really? This is about to show about the human condition. This person says, I'm the lonely NCO writing erotic holodeck programs for lonely sex star federation personnel. I'm that guy. Yeah. The holodeck, the number of people here thinking they'd even be admitted to Starfleet Academy in a federation with hundreds of billions of citizens, the Academy Academy probably admits 10,000 to 30,000. It's just a hypothetical. You can put yourself in for it. It's fucking fine.

I love putting a cap on your dreams. Like in your own fantasy. You know, I'd love to explore the galaxy with all my favorite characters, but I probably wouldn't get into the training program because I'm a fucking loser. Imaginary situation based on a thing that is also made up. And you're like, I'm not sure, you know, this was doesn't seem right. You're never going to get in. They don't accept enough people. That's like the idea that you would think out of the, you know, amount of people that are, I mean, they're taking one percent tops and you're going to be in that one

percent in your fucking fantasy. Like, no, I mean, they're taking one percent tops and you're going to be in that one percent in your fucking fantasy. Like, no, I doubt it. I had my spot at the Starfleet Academy taken by a Klingon. Thanks to the policy of Starfleet. Well, he does say admissions would probably be similar to in real life. U.S. military academies where you need the best grades, test scores, plus the backing of some politician or Star Fleet's fleet command level officers. So, well, then, okay.

So then in this, in this fucking scenario, I have all that stuff. That's my dad is that's my dad. He's the fucking president of fucking Star Trek. Okay. Like, I just want to say though, if you don't want to enter Star Fleet, like you don't have to write, you could also just be like, uh, like a captain Cisco's dad who just owns like occasion restaurant. I don't even think he charges people. Where do they live?

Where do they live? New Orleans. He lives in New Orleans. Yeah. Just in earth. I thought that this goes down lives in New Orleans on earth and he makes like jambalaya for people. Are you kidding me? You're saying that the great character actor Brock Peters indeed. You're saying that the characters on the ship like Picard has like a fucking brother who like works. Yeah, he works in the vineyard in France. Yeah. Fuck, I had no idea.

I thought this was some world where, you know, that like the world's been destroyed. No, it doesn't really exist. And all the things you love about Earth still exists in Star Trek. In fact, they're better. Yeah. Logic asserts that the boundaries of the question established that we have attended and landed in the past academy anyway. So logic dictates logic asserts all that.

And then this person goes, some people just need the opportunity to show what they're capable of. Cisco got that opportunity if he hadn't been up to the task and the bodger and still believed he was their emissary, he might've been, say that again, say that again, Brian, the jar is still believe he was their emissary. He might've been appointed a star fleet liaison to be sure a more diplomatic position. So it just sounds like it like it's any of these. It just sounds like you're goofing. You know, when you're like, you could have been a fucking thing to bejor. Like it just

sounds like you're making up words. But if you were like Casper Hauser or something and had no contact with human culture or history, you started telling them about the state of Israel. They'd be like, you're making it up. Oh, you're right. Right. You're right. I know. I understand that. It's just some of these names. Whenever I deal with any of this, like, you know, like Warhammer. It's the same thing when we did that.

It just it's being made up as it as you go along. Like some of them are like, what's a what's a fucking name? I can think of right now. Well, like this is what I mean about bringing your imagination to Star Trek, because when they have some like an alien race like the Gleap Corpse and whatever. No, no, no, no, no, no. Then you see them. That's not that. But you're making you're like saying a silly name.

You're not. That's not an actual. OK, that's not a real name. Right. OK, we'll take take, you know, take, take, take any of the theoretical cultures or races that they encounter on Star Trek. Just fill in in your head What human race or culture is this an analog for and then go from there? Experts on this show cuz this I just wanted to add like so like I think with fantasy like as will said

There's this kind this similar parallel going on where races, like orcs or elves, or stand-ins for people. And I'm saying in a racial stratification, whether it's Lord of the Rings or I can't, but other fantasy series that people enjoy that have this tinge of colonialism to it. But in Trek, I feel like those races, it's not that there's this kind of air of prejudice. You know what I'm saying? I think sometimes these races either embody the best in people, you know,

or the human characters, it's not a question of prejudice, but a question more of maybe understanding and building a bridge, you know what I'm saying, to like some sort of community, you know? By the time of the next generation, it's hard to miss the racial dynamic with the Klingons, particularly because of, you know, Michael Dorn portraying Worf as sort of a child of two worlds. But you know, I was being slightly facetious and like, setting up that all of these have

analogues and races and religions on the earth. I think I think they embody different aspects of the human character and personality that are like exaggerated to a large degree and like Like Vulcans Vulcans are a lot like are logical, right? Whereas their counterparts Romulans, I think exhibit more of the aggressive qualities and maybe the Klingons to of human beings But I would love but again, but again man, I'm on the aggressive fighting would be great On you like the warrior. I guess just whoever's not just sitting there in a room talking about the Klingons.

That's the Klingons. They're fighting with blades. They're like torturing each other for a while. And yeah, yeah. Do they show any of that, though? It's like mostly like just understood, right? No, they probably talk about it in a boardroom. You know, like what happened.

They have night fights. They have night fights and drinking contests. That's on. That's all canon. You know what, Chris? Chris, just because your namesake right now, the handle you have right now, Chris Space Nine, you would like if you want action, Deep Space Nine subverts all of the kind of ideals that Gene Roddenberry had set out, you know, like everyone gets along, there's very little or no conflict at all.

Like Deep Space Nine subverts that and put twisted on his head because the Federation enters a war with an imperialist sort of species or race that's trying to like, you know, take the doubt. You see the war. Dude, you see, I posted it before on Twitter once I posted like like some of the the Space fight scenes, you know and granted this is well, this one was upscale to like 4k But granted when you're watching it on a like a big-ass TV, I mean, it's 90 special effects. Yeah, I can't I can't do it. I can't do it. It's too silly to me. I can't do it and there's too many episodes I feel like also I. OK, Brian, Brian, we're going to.

Brian has things to read from Reddit. And Brian, you you did this. You understood you brought on two passionate Star Trek fans. And then we have me. We have me who I'm always not shutting the fuck up. So but sometimes I do feel like, you know, Brian, we don't. We do want to make sure Brian can read the stuff because the stuff always fucking awesome. We don't want to let the fans speak. So the question from one choice one, he goes, Borg reproductive organs.

If an assimilated race has reproductive organs and the Borg do not reproduce, then why are these organs not removed? I mean, we know seven dated Chacko Tay and something happened Did the board remove our little and the doctor somehow recreated it? I mean, why would you assume that they have I mean, why would you assume either way? It doesn't like it doesn't show So it doesn't show it in the show so it could be either way. I don't know I guess What is a board with a Borg is a Borg. The Borg is like a like a sort of technological race that essentially assimilates other beings into a collect technological collective.

So they take the organic matter of your body and like, you know, just like put like some some steampunk goggles on you and some like some weird like hand stuff. But as far as I know, you're still kind of in a black suit. And it would seem to be, you know, unnecessary to remove your genitals as well. I think they just keep them there as like, you know, sort of a foundation for the Borg template. Yeah, but I don't think there would be a need to remove any genitals.

They don't also don't show them as Aaron saying, like they don't show them that like so they could also be removed. I mean, I guess because sometimes there's some seeds where they like I think I think I don't know if it's Voyage or whatever where they show like on the board table like them getting like diced up and you know get the cybernetic implants put in so they could just remove your dick but I don't know why they would though. I don't think they would do that. It's a little weird. It's another source of input for data. It's a little weird, like a little joystick there. Yeah. Yeah.

This guy goes, why would they be? That's more work and there doesn't need to be done. The border of fish. Exactly. And he gets a toy. To be honest, I think removing female reproductive organs might have its benefits for the board if you don't have. That is, if you don't have to deal with the periods anymore. And with all my God, they don't have that problem.

I don't know if there will be any justification, but removing female reproductive organs can cause hormonal issues plus any surgery has risks. So it's probably not worth it for the board. Once again, I love just putting a cap on. Yeah, all surgery has risks, especially when you're like turning people into cyber zombies. I'm sure they have some sort of contraceptive medication that can stop periods with no side effects.

So then he gets a reply, uh, from the same guy. He goes, uh, it's the future. I'm sure there's a pill or injection they give. There is a there's a that's stuck in the 21st century. Like, oh, there's a pill or injection. You know, go further than that. You know, you don't need to stop there.

Yeah, there's this is what I mean. Like, just assume that this kind of thing has been dealt with. How do you traveling faster than the speed of light? I think I figured out a bunch of other. They probably have a pill like a pill. Yeah. So here we get a question from bad of Manning Batman of Nye. I think is his name. Oh, God.

When I started watching the next generation, it took me too long to get over the inappropriate shoes people wore, even when beam down to a new planet. Everyone's running through Swampton Dome. Are there other small details that you find odd about Trek? You know what? You know what? I actually kind of agree with that comment because they on the only enterprise they dress like hotel concierges or something. And then you're right. The footwear that there are like, you know, like brogues or something. I then they're going to some a class M planet that could be like all the lava or something.

Yeah, I think like a Chelsea boot or some shit. And they don't have that. Maybe some big boots, like some fucking hip waiters or you never see them in like serious footwear This guy goes if you want to be put off by shoes check out wide shots of seven her heels are so distracting I'll bet they are Person same person These are this is this is turning into a different thing here. These are people who are

Interested in Star Trek and another thing as well. I got to add something though, and I'm not, cause I'm a sneaker head and I noticed this. Um, I don't know if you ever noticed it, Will, but there's an episode in Voyager where Tuvok has to take command of like, I think like, I forget what the ship it is that they also found out in like that quadrant, right? And he has to train them because they're all a little bit unruly. And they're training and they're wearing like these sports kind of athletic outfits. And all they're all wearing a pair of I think Air Jordan 10s that have been kind of that have been kind of painted to look like they're really futuristic and part of the uniform.

So I just thought it was dope that you know, the Air Jordan's made an appearance in the Star Trek franchise. Well, Aaron, for instance, you know, if you were on Star Trek, I like a thing I like over all of the all of the series is that like, for instance, Tom Paris in Voyager, his number one hobby is like building like a Chevy convertible from the 1960s. And like Riker is really into poker. Picard is into like, Shakespeare and Gilbert and Sullivan.

So they give these people in the 24th century, the interests and hobbies of someone in the middle of the 20th century, which would be like, the equivalent now is if like, I were really into like shoeing horses or something. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Aaron, if you run Star Trek,

you could be like the sneaker head and you'd be like constantly explaining to bemused aliens and androids what the Jordan sneaker was in the mid 20th century. He mass produced these 300 years ago with slave labor technically. But you were flying as fuck. Nobody could call you not fly though. You'll fly as hell though. I'll tell Chris this to

Riker is a swinger according to some of the track fans. He's there. He's their resident swinger I mean he is he is definitely the horniest guy and hang on. He's a swinger and be hit So he has a wife then no he does he does not have a wife He's just sort of a player He's just sort of a player. He's, he's, he's the people that we don't refer to those as players. If you are, if you are a sing, this is something everyone knows who's listening right now. If you were a single guy in the swingers community, you are lower than dirt. There's different set of rules for them at every club.

I think it's nasty. Riker is constantly going on vacation to one of the vacation planets in Star Trek called Riza. It is just like slightly set up like it is basically an orgy there. It's like it is like Plato's retreat. Like it's just people are going there to hook up. Is it 24 7 buck? And are you telling me that in the future, single guys are respected in the community?

Because that's the future. I do not want to be a part of it. That doesn't happen. This person says, uh, this person is lol. The very first shot we see after the transformation from body horror, seven of nine to sexy, seven camera pan slowly up from the deck. We get a good look at her shoes. They look spray painted with glitter. If I recall correctly. And this guy goes, let's face it, Seven of Nine was there for the 15-year-old horn dog in the female-attracted viewing audience. You know what?

Absolutely, because I think viewership was going down. But I will say that Jerry Ryan in Seven of Nine ended up being one of the most, in my opinion, endearing characters of the franchise. What is Seven of Nine? So she used to be a Borg. She used to be like a part of the Borg and she was deborgified by Janeway, who continues to encourage her to reconnect with her humanity. And she does come in as like I mean, this is this is like just background.

I might get into it, but she does kind of she did. Catherine, a big not Catherine, but what's her father, Catherine Mulvaney, right? Is her name right? She she was very kind of she did Catherine a big not Catherine, but what's her father, Catherine Mulvaney, right? Is her name, right? She she was very kind of upset, you know what I'm saying about the fact that Jerry Ryan had come in because she was the first female captain, she was supposed to be the star of the show. And Jerry Ryan, Ryan kind of was Jerry Ryan, like a babe? Yeah, Howard.

Her name is Stern Howard Stern. Yeah, I think I know that name. Yeah, I remember that name Now that i'm here with bryan and chris are you are you aware? Of the swinger sex club connection to both seven of nine aka jerry ryan And the presidential candidacy and career of barack obama No, yes, okay check this out jerry ryan the actress who portrayed Seven of Nine on Star Trek, Voyager, was married to an Illinois state senator. And in the process of their divorce, like court papers were leaked.

I don't know if it was by Jerry Ryan. She says that she never wanted this to come out. But as part of her petition for a divorce from this Illinois state senator, it became a scandal because he brought her to sex clubs in Paris where he cajoles her to have sex with people at the sex clubs when she kind of like wasn't really feeling it. So this, this became a scandal. And this guy resigned his seat in the Illinois State Senate, opening up the chance for one Barack Obama to become,

to run for that seat, win it, then become Illinois senator, then become president of the United States. You're telling me that he became president because Jerry Ryan was married to a cockled. That's pretty much. Yeah, that's pretty good. But he's looking for what's known as a bowl. These are all things that we've learned about and we've discussed we know way too much about. And I ever like, I can't talk about it in normal life, my knowledge, you know what I mean? Cause people just into it in the lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah. Cause we know, I know like so too much about

it. So here's, this is our last Reddit thing here. Confession. The next generation came out as I was becoming a teenager and Deanna Troy was my first erotic fascination. They even say erotic fascination instead of like, fancy. They can't just be like, yeah, I got a hard on from her. Like, what's the name? Well, this is like, is like Trek likes to employ techno babble, you know, I'm saying instead of saying things

plainly. So I guess I remember this. I remember I remember seeing this lady having some of the most boring conversations I've ever heard. OK, that's definitely do the call. Her character was a little bit, a little bit, left a little wanting. But I say, if I was in the truck universe, I think I would probably be the ship's counselor role. Because what Deanna Troy did is that she was on the bridge

of the enterprise when they were encountering in either diplomatic or highly kinetic situations. And there'd be like a Romulan on the big board, on the big screen like there'd be like, you know, like, like a Romulan on the on the big board, on the big screen. They'd be like, withdraw your ship now or face the face, the wrath of our cloaked cloaking devices. And then like Picard would turn to her and because she's an empath, she would say things like he's behaving highly aggressively. Thanks a lot.

She just sort of restates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just saw she's like the character from Poodie Tang who repeats the other guy. Yeah, it's really. Yeah, that's that's cool. I'm going to start. It'd be a cool thing to have to be doing a podcast. Oh, yeah, it would be great.

Stop the mine shaft gap says Beverly Crusher was mine. Now, I know the dog go figure. Beverly crusher was mine Go figure thanks gates for being both the icon of my teenage lust and inspiration for my adult career I don't think he understands what adult career You jacking off on only fans At the risk of becoming the confessions of a ginger lover me, just can't beat the implied insanity of red hair. Oh, come on. No, you're talking about it. Another reason I like Deep Space Nine, like I would give it the edge and my favorite track is because I think the babes are better on Deep Space Nine. You know, like if you're in a Troy or Crusher, that's all good for me. But to me,

on T on TNG and Aaron, you could back me up on this. The hottest babe on TNG was Ensign Roe. Yes. By Michelle Forbes. Yeah, yes. I will have to say that I'm Kieran Reese, who is played by God. Why is her name so many visitors? And then a visitor. Right. Sorry. But joins the joint women in this Trek franchise are always the hottest. Right. And she does not fail, brother. I mean, also, also too you have you have

jadzia dax who was played by again fire I don't know why the actors and actresses name is missing me but again people say that I mean of course the next generation is the next generation but uh ds9 is the best generation I would say you know a lot of people say I mean the babes are a big part of Harry farrell by the way that's Harry that speaks to how like this is like so you know because you know you remember the characters names and not the actors names where that never happens to me no seriously I am like I remember I remember the actors name like oh that you know I still just call them the actor in that movie or whatever I never remember the character but because it's like you're so into this thing you were you know know them as the character that's who they are to you you know can I ask about betazoids cuz this guy's in Troy is a betazoid yeah yeah he likes their cleavage so I used to enjoy looking at her but now we

go to Quora here's a question asked on Quora why is Star Trek discovery so woke finally why the fuck is it so well that's the same thing but what what is Why is Star Trek Discovery so woke? Finally, finally. I know, right? Why the fuck is it so woke? I asked the same thing, man. What is that? Which one is that? That's the new one. That's the, that's I think the newest Star Trek that had come out after a hiatus of

20 years. It was the first one made by Paramount Plus on the streaming service. Black female captain. I can't tell you the plot of the show because I did not watch it. I tried to watch it and couldn't. It's a way. I mean, the thing is, it's like, bro, the thing is, it's like Star Trek has always been woke, right?

The first interracial kiss had the first lesbian kiss. I mean, there's an Afro futuristic episode far beyond the stars, which is one of my favorite pieces of media ever. I will say that the new Trek, it's like, it feels as if, I mean, how can I say it, man? It feels like liberal identity politics, right? It's like, why the fuck would somebody care about someone's gender in the 24th century? Why does something have to be drilled into you?

It's like, that's already readily accepted. And the older shows are better at portraying those narratives, those progressive narratives about what it is, what is the human condition? You know what I mean? Like like infinite diversity, infinite combinations, right? It's Spock's thing, you know. I mean, this is in 1960 something. The new ones, again, it just feels like they're pandering to you.

You know, yeah. I mean, like I it's it's it's to expand on what Erin said. I think like the new Star Trek, at least to dumb dumbs, feels woke because I think TV writing has just lost a lot of intelligence. And like, and the original, all the original Star Trek series were probably more woke than the current iteration, but it was just, it didn't announce itself in the same way. It was, it was done in a more like a deftly handled, like subtle way. Yeah. You know, like that didn't announce itself. But then again, you think of the original series, even though it was in a dream sequence, they did have Captain Kirk and her just kiss on TV in this in the 60s,

which was like, you know, hugely controversial. Well, it seems like it seems like that that for the earlier stuff, the pre kind of the new stuff that it was framed as almost like this is a post. This is like this is a utopia. This is this is a post. This is like, this is a utopia. This is, this is almost post-racial. And then like the things that they, like you said, the first black captain, the progressive part of that is that the actor

is the first black captain on a Star Trek thing, not that he's the first black captain on a Star Trek thing, not that he's the first black captain ever in the story. Actually, dude, actually, dude, I have a running joke that I wish I could do a skit like this, like the first Negro captain, where somehow, even though it's like 300 years in the future, it's still the first black guy. And the reason why is because in the first, first episode,

not the cage, yo, but it's the first unaired episode, I think, of the original series when his captain was at Pike. Like, right, dude, within the first couple minutes of the show, this woman is on the bridge like she's I think she's like she might be the the Helmswoman. And I think he says I'm not used to woman on the bridge. I'm not used to women on the bridge. And I'm just like, dog, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, 1960s, like social mores in the 23rd century. But I thought it would be good if we had the first Negro Starfleet captain. I like that.

But to your point, like, for instance, when Avery Bookes became the lead of Deep Space Nine, in a more intelligent era of TV writing, that dissonance was allowed to play out in the world outside the television. Yeah. And it trusted the viewer to sort of like once again fill in those gaps in their own mind, but accept that the world it's portraying is one in which this is not a remarkable feature

of social progress or anything like that. Yeah. If you're making a utopia, you certainly hope that, you know, everybody on the ship is not like there's no racist on the ship. The show sketch racist in the year 3000. Yes, I mean, you do. You do have like my papi always said, you can't trust a man what's made out of gas. I mean, you do have characters like O'Brien who is

prejudice against the Cardassians and a lot of characters might be prejudiced. Oh, hey, I might. They don't do anything. All they do is have big butts. I'm I'm prejudiced against them as well. Do something to be famous. You know what I mean? I'm one of those guys. Still, this guy gives the answer. He goes, of course, Star Trek has always tried to include some leading edge social commentary and they've always seemed to do a great job. However, discovery is just so poorly done. It's not credible. So many of the characters went and

survived working on a construction crew for a week. Never. Yeah, yeah, that is perfect. Like, oh, the Republicans saying like these liberals can't do nothing. But he goes, never mind the vagaries of space travel. These characters are the ones you see working at Walmart or 7-Eleven because they're too delicate and sensitive. First of all, those jobs don't exist in the Star Trek universe. What to have replicators. delicate and sensitive, first of all. Those jobs don't exist in the Star Trek universe. What to have replicators in the way?

Yeah. But those also are not jobs where you like those aren't jobs where you don't have to be like kind of mentally, to a degree in gender studies. Right. Right. That all day at those jobs, like that's the whole job. He goes up because they're too delicate and sensitive. There's such an obvious disconnect. I've posted before that Star Trek Discovery is like freshman college film class project just plain awful. I don't quite understand how strange new worlds and Discovery

exists side by side. The former is reminiscent of the better movies and even arguably holds its own against the next generation. Discovery is an adolescent video game show. Now, what's the mirror is answering a question? against the next generation. Discovery is an adolescent video game show. Now, Samir is answering a question. Why are so many younger Star Trek fans so angry about the original series? I don't know. I've never heard of that. Is that true? Well, context. We've been taught that the only morals and ethics we have today are correct. And everyone anywhere in the past were pick your invectivective murderers, rapists, misogynists, racist, homophobes, et cetera.

Well, they were racist. They were. Yeah. Yeah. There were a lot of them. Do it. Well, it's true. Many of those things.

Context is important. These people were products of their time and upbringing. So now We're we're we're talking about how the first series isn't woke enough like it because there's a lot I if you look You don't even have to look hard to find the conservative justification for Star Trek being a conservative show, no matter, again, no matter all of the hints of like, it's post like scarcity, it's all this stuff that that like is is basically socialism in a way. But anyway, he goes, obviously, I'm not dogmatic

about it. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, were all evil people. FDR did some terrible things and some good things. If we apply the standards today on the people of the past, we lose. Imagine how people will look at us 100 years from now. Star Trek was a groundbreaking series that inspired millions of people over five decades. Does it seem a little hokey and a little cringy? So like considering Paul, pot, Hitler and then stop like those are the only racist. Those are the three places of evil, the three races, the three races of evil.

But like three racists, I just want to say, too, I kind of I kind of see what you're saying, Brian, about like because I've interacted with conservative, not in real life, but I guess online with conservative track fans. real life, but I guess online, with conservative track fans. And I mean, I guess if you wanted to look at it, like, you know, some people think that, like this one guy was like, well, it's a show about a quality of opportunity, you know, which is not the truth, right? It's not about like, the opportunities present to you. It's about quality of outcome. This is why they have replicators. The replicator could not exist if it

wasn't for a post-scarcity society, right? And I think also just the meritocracy maybe of it, you know what I mean? The fact that like people misread when in first one of the first no the last episode of the first season Where the enterprise reanimates these three people from the 21st century? And one of them is a banker and he's trying to ask Picard I need to call my bank and see about my money. And Picard is trying to explain that, like what you do now is based on self improvement, you know? And I think some people like might see that as a pull

yourself up by a bootstraps, but Star Trek has always been. It has always been like a million episodes. To expand on what Aaron said, I think conservatives like leave out of this view of Star Trek as a future determined by a pure meritocracy where like the best and brightest are capable of excelling to the highest degree in exploring the galaxy and doing science and exploration at the highest level. But the problem that breaks down is that everyone else in this universe, at least as far as the human race goes, who is not exceptional

or bright or talented, are not left to die and starve. They have all of their material needs completely taken care of. And I think that annoys conservatives. The idea that if you fail the meritocracy, you don't just die or you aren't written off from humanity entirely. Right. Now, I'm going to read you this from Quora. The answers of this question are the longest answers I've ever seen. Rising like seventy five episodes of this show. I have never I have never seen a longer answer. And it's like five of them.

It takes forever to scroll down through. Yeah, so I picked a shorter one. And when you hear the question, you're going to be like, how can somebody spend that much time in an all out war? Which Starfleet would win Star Trek or Star Wars? So we'll get an answer here. I don't know how it's ever debate outside. Simply people liking Star Wars better and then thinking they ought to be more powerful.

The Empire has a significant numbers advantage, but I don't think it would matter. It comes down to two things, targeting and speed. And Star Wars, like most things in life. I don't know what I thought you were going to say at all. Speed kills. Because in Star Wars, weapons are aimed and fired with eyes and hands. The ships move sufficiently slowly that humans piloting crafts and firing guns are able to hit their targets and make a difference in the outcome of the battle.

This means distances are measured in meters and speed is measured in kilometers per hour. And Star Trek targeting is done by computers at distances of hundreds of kilometers or more at speeds of up to half the speed of light. And that's not including combat at war. We're talking about many orders of magnitude difference in capability here. The fleets and Star Wars wars will never see the enemies that destroy them, let alone engage them in combat and a wing flying full throttle. They wouldn't even know that there was a war.

They would just wake up dead. So so I hate I hate Star Wars so much that I don't think I've even watched the original movies. I'm not even saying that as a Trekkie. I just never really liked Star Wars. But don't they have the Death Star, man? I feel like that could do some damage to the planet. Yeah, you could kill a whole planet. Listen, I didn't see the Star Wars movies until 2020.

Well, okay, That's a lot. I had seen Star Wars episode two attack of the clones and no other Star Wars movies. You only went for the best one. You only went for the best one. So I did during the pandemic, watch them in chronological order. So I started with the Phantom Menace and ended with rise of the Skywalker. And I got to tell you, I mean, they're not great, but Revenge of the Sith is like, I truly enjoyed that movie, like in a way that I still think about. I'm like, God, I'm such a dumb ass.

But anyway, this guy goes, they'd be like medieval cavalry trying to fight 21st century drone strikes. They may win a minor victory with the occasional surprise attack on a critical target, but the outcome of the war and 99% of the battles is obvious. Star Trek civilizations win. And so we get some answers here.

Some, some people that are responding where this is just on Quora. This is, but it's not, but it's also not like, it's not like a Star Trek. It's not our slash. No, no, no, no. Like an unbiased sort of. Yeah, I feel like this is the bloods in the crypts of sci-fi. You know, it's going to get it gets a little bit weird here. This guy goes, correct.

I've seen this question debated at length. I get no pussy. I've seen this question. And it's not a brag. I've seen this question. I can't answer him. But it's not a brag. Bottom line, Star Trek technology is so much more advanced than Star Wars that it's really not a contest.

In particular, Star Trek has a long history of adapting to the situation. How long before Star Wars deflector shields are figured out? Adaptive technology is the key here, which almost 100% on Trek's side. Captain, I've analyzed their shielding and insert techno babble here. Bye bye Star Destroyer. So Marcus replies and goes, and Star Trek looks smug until the culture of no more Mr. Nice Guy hubs in view, barely noticing Deep Space Nine exists as it is too small to warrant attention. Take that Aaron. That's that's that's that's again that's heresy man. Yeah and then wharf this guy does a little story here. He goes wharf ahead

of us sir appears to be a ship quite larger than our own Picard shields up red alert data they are releasing 42 small what appears to be single person fighters, Picard weapons. So basically this guy wrote a story and Star Trek wins. So there's only one guy that thinks Star Wars would win. And that's because he finds Star Trek fans to be smug. So I thought I'd let you guys. Well, I mean, like, you know, being the first time, you know, so I was like, I've seriously considered this question,

you know, because I, you know, I'm a number one pussy, get it? I have not. Yeah, you get things like this before. But I would have thought, like, the technology would be pretty evenly matched. I mean, they have all the same shit in the Star Wars as they do in Star Trek.

And just for the sake of argument, I'm going to give the Star Wars universe the edge when it comes to hand-to-hand combat combat because if they ever get out of the Starship Mono, Imano and imagine like yeah fucking Yeah, yeah, I have a fight yeah, he's gonna get killed by a stormtrooper immediately like Spock comes running in He's just gonna get fucking mowed down But like also to me just as someone who doesn't, I've seen Star Wars, but I'm not like a fan, but it just seems to me like there's just so much

Star Trek. So of course they're like, they're saying like, oh, they adapt more and stuff. Well, yeah, there's like a million more like hours of footage of it. So yeah, they, they have more like of an opportunity to do that. I feel like Star Wars would catch up back to woke. I went to Amazon to look at the Star Trek novels. I don't know if you guys have read any of the Star Trek. No, I have not. But there are I feel like there are almost as many novels. Yeah, not more than there are episodes. And I've been wanting to get into the ones written by I think Alan Dean Foster.

Like, dude, I read you different. There's a few like well-known authors or whatever. Is that the idea? There's not one person who writes that? No, there's a bunch of different authors and some are apparently better than others and... Is it canonical? Yes, I think, yeah, I think, yeah, I think the novels are. I did read a guy in the subreddit, he's my favorite, no, he was on Trek of BBS and he's one of my favorite guys ever in the history of this show. I didn't cut it or anything, but I read it and he said he doesn't watch the movies or the TV shows.

He only reads the novels. A little bit more. He's a little more distinguished. This is an upper crust gentleman, I'm guessing. He doesn't watch the boob tube. I mean, I don't watch television. I only read the novelizations of TV series. The watered down. Well, I mean, I guess it's like what you said.

Well, it's like your imagination just kind of has to like fill in, you know what I mean? So even more so for this guy, because he's never seen how any of these aliens look. Imagine he's never even seen. He doesn't even know what the ship looks like You ask him to draw the ship it would look completely People were so mad at him too. It was so fucking funny. They're like, why don't you watch the show then? He's like, I don't have time for that shit, but he reads a book He could be a classic speed reader

I'll be able to just like mow through that shit and it could be, you know, like it's easier for him to do that. Who knows? You know, Christopher L. Bennett wrote The Captain's Oath, Star Trek, the original series and Barb Barbary. When is this from? Which way? Just a year ago. I should have looked. I think it's recent because you'll see in the review.

This guy goes one star. I knew better, but think it's a rethink because you'll see in the review this guy goes one star. I knew better but read it anyway That's like me watching an episode of new trick, you know Halfway through a book being like this is fucking Turn the pages with your hand I know I was hesitant to buy a quote new sci-fi book but it's 2019. Okay. A quote new sci-fi book but I enjoyed other Bennett stories so I decided to take a chance. I should have listened to my warnings. I should have listened to my warnings is a really great thing to say. The stories, essentially a number of short stories combined into a novel, are weak and all resolved by impassioned speeches.

That's what I think all Star Trek. Yeah, to me, that's what it all is. Okay, okay. Not well, you would say that for the okay, that's true. That might be true at the TOS to the next generation. But again, I feel like DS 9 because it is a war, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a speech.

It's like, you know, uh, Cisco engineering the assassination of a Romulan senator or something. OK, I was watching this. I watched this movie recently called In a Violent Nature they made in my country of Canada. And there's this crazy thing where they where they like put the I won't spoil it, but they kind of like rip somebody's neck right up backwards off of their head. Anything anything like that, like really cool kind of. Yeah, actually, a Voyager.

There's a lot of there's a fair amount of body horror in a little violent. Then then I would say voyage it up. I do like I do like body horror, honestly, I really do not. So he goes, I was able to overlook the white privilege analogy early on, but couldn't believe that the author would reinvent vent Kirk to essentially hate America. And remember that Kirk was well defined as a history buff who was proud of his

antra ancestry, Omega glory, Savage curtain, for example. Yet. Oh, blue, no matter who. Yeah, he is. Yet Kirk saves the day by telling an alien that America committed the worst genocide in the planet's history I mean he's right So we end with another author unable to tell a good story

But all in all all in on a millennial anti-american sentiment. I knew better wasted my time and money Anyway, I won't make that mistake again My guess is just for the record. Just for the record, you don't buy that same in the Star Trek. I was just thought to say, well, like actually, like you would say that Star Trek could be just like anti like status, I guess, because there is a world government. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think America is like a thing like you said. Someone lives in Louisiana.

Oh, I don't like that. But Louisiana is just like Louisiana. I mean, there is still a part of America. Yeah, they keep a sort of sort of regional character and this right home names of places. But as far as the United States as a nation state, as a political and economic entity, that that is that is no more. They still go down by the bayou.

They still this guy goes could have been an OK story but was ruined. Could have been an OK story but was ruined. The characters were not themselves, but seem like wooden statues that just do not fit with the original series and the political agendas all through the book. Immigration refugees and God, anti patriotism, white privilege, racism, global warming, fake news, LGBT, et cetera. Not what I read science fiction, not what I read science fiction.

I don't read science fiction to learn about how better worlds are possible. No, but it is social systems. The only thing I agree with is throwing in something like fake news, you know what I mean? Something that is like so sort of ripped from like the the like, you know, the collective conscience of now or whatever and like reality and putting it into sci fi like that can take you out, maybe, you know, like, oh, that's the fucking Trump thing that the conservative, you know, like that.

That's a nice thing. Calls it SJW trash. Yeah. Well, you know, in fairness, this reviewer, if there is one throughline throughout the entire Star Trek canon, it's that when you encounter peoples of a different civilization, culture or just refugees, shoot on site. Show them no quarter. Do not trust them and certainly do not recognize their humanity. You know, you're right, Will, because we saw this in an episode, I think.

Was it past tense? I think the DS. Oh, yeah. Kind of famous DS 9 episode that goes back right now. That's happening right now. Goes back to the early 2020s. Right. Actually, the bad shit that happens before the good shit. I mean, this is this is what Trek is known for. Well, this guy says, S.J.W. trash do not buy. Do you know James T. Kirk only got a starship command because he's a white male human?

Human like the humans now part of it, you know, that's the ideal. This author does. He tried to make Kirk a reckless idiot always needing to be rescued by, quote, better qualified Starfleet officers. We have hires. Well, he does, which happen to be rescued by quote better qualified Starfleet officers, which I hires. Well, he does, which happened to be dark skinned aliens. Even has Kirk apologize for his bro. It's not even racism. It's colorism.

They're just like they're dark skinned aliens. So they have to be black. Yeah, they're not even so they're they're a different species altogether. He's mad. He is the actual guy that's mad about literal skin color. Like it doesn't have anything. It's just like he looks different and I don't like it. This is this is this is giving the lie to the old canard of I'm not racist. I don't care if you're black, white, yellow or purple.

No, clearly you wouldn't mind if someone was purple. You would be mad at that. I also have to add though that I meant to bring this up with this episode. There is one incredibly racist episode of The Next Generation, the fourth episode of the first season called Code of Honor, where literally they go to a planet full of black people. I'm not saying like when I say black people, they look like they're trying to make them look like indigenous, indigenous Africans, African tribes. It is one of the most racist pieces of television that I've ever watched, but I still recommend people watch it.

You got to be still check it out. Last guy goes, this novel is filled with garbage about identity politics. One character gives a stupid rant about humans and Starfleet having a special advantage because they're supposedly born with privilege Then Captain Kirk checks his privilege like some beta male idiot To be honest, it's novel to sound annoying Like like the idea of like a species having certain privilege I guess the word privilege now is like, you know I was gonna bet, you know, it drives people crazy.

But it's like, yeah, people have privileges and that would exist in this like universe, you know? But yeah, if they're saying stuff like fake news and using buzzword stuff, that is annoying. I mean, I would argue that humans do have, I mean, I don't I mean, I like Trek, so kind of sometimes the Federation kind of seems like a stand in for America sometimes, you know, and this kind of changes throughout the series. But humans in the franchise are kind of like they're specially gifted. They're unique.

They're the ones that try to build bridges and gaps right between cultures and shit like which isn't really real life. So I did want to get a few. I wanted to get a few reviews of the movies from Rotten Tomatoes. So this is Star Trek the motion picture from 1979 bread First one. Yeah, Brent a gives it a four two stars and then says 40% rating which is funny like listen It's the stars not the percents. Don't try to work the math out

Terrible storyline with a villain that is basically a cloud Had some decent sci-fi special effects for the seventies, but overall lackluster film. So they were fighting a cloud, but then silo gives it five stars and he goes, I can see why the general audience thinks this movie is boring. If you're not interested in nuance in intellect, the feeling of a human, if you're a stupid fucking dope, I can understand if you're a fucking simpleton and you don't. Yeah, that's I love that. I get it. I get why you don't like it.

I live in a mud house. I had to stay completely. And you're fucking ignorant. You know what's good. And you're like a fucking boob. I get it. You wouldn't like it if you're a fucking moron. Because the feeling of a human made experience, essentially of being home,

combined with a bright vision of the future from the perspective of the 20th century, the opportunity to sink into a colorful beauty and philosophy that you will probably dislike this film. Otherwise, this movie is truly fascinating piece of art, which shines a new perspective on your life, widens your mind. As I said, I get why the general audience perceives this experience as boring. They want flashy fast cuts with a lot of dumb action sequences, tough guys and shallow dialogue that everyone can understand. I like that.

That well, no shit. They want everybody to understand. They just want dialogue that they can understand. They just want to know what's going on with the thing they're watching. They just want movies in a language that they understand the words. They want to be able to follow along with the fucking narrative of it. It's not for me. They react extremely defensive against nuance.

That's why they label everything as generally bad if they don't want to think too much. It's kind of like classical music or literature of the 19th century What are we talking about original motion This is actually a review of guys that I just posted about This is wild Just not even the best original series movie that goes to the wrath of Khan. I even know that is I even know that good review. Yeah, I know one bad review other than guys saying like, I don't really like Star Trek.

So I didn't get it. He goes, it's kind of like classical music or literature of the 19th century. Kids would describe it as boring, but just because they're not able to understand it yet, the sad thing is that most people nowadays stay in this infantile state of mind. That is a five star review. One star for humanity though. I would say.

Yeah, that one star review of human. Yeah, that is a really horrible, insufferable kind of person to be around, I would imagine. I mean, I'm sure a lot of them here. I'm gonna introduce you to a man named harsh C. He reviewed it and he said brilliant concept, but excruciatingly executed. Yes, they wanted to show off their visual effects a little too much and start Trek style has always been annoyed in for me.

I think he says has always been annoyed with me. So it was a chore to watch again, but still worth watching for the concept concept and I got through it with copious use of the fast forward button, which is psychotic Through it, why would you watch a movie and I think people like that should have their thumbs taped to the sides of their chairs Like one and a half speed They can't use it like you just you just watch movies on like one and a half speed That's that's different cuz at least you know, that's weird in a different way But like this is like you're missing large parts of it It's like almost like you just you just want to tell people that you watch movie You can just say you watch it just read the description about it. Just lie

It's like a resume. Nobody's gonna look that shit up Where I feel like it, I'm just thinking now. I feel like I'm like making fun of this person, but I do kind of now I have to admit I have like sort of experiences before where I'm just watching a movie and I don't really like it, but I'm like, I've made it like three quarters of the way through. I want to like sort of get to the end and say that I finished it and know what happened, I guess, but I'm like fast-forwarding heavy I gotta get it on letterbox. You can't give it a review until you've so harsh C did review wrath of Khan too

Okay, so this is a good one. This is a good good. I'm supposing the best one which stars and he goes Read using your best Spock impersonation voice. Okay Star Trek stories indicates that the writers are thinking two dimensionally. That's, excuse me. Yeah, it's a pretty good one. This, so finally I went to the new series, which I haven't heard you guys say this.

So I guess I'll say it, the Kelvin. Yeah, the Kelvin universe. That's what it's called, the Kelvin timeline, Kelvin universe. Why is it called that? Is that's the that's the captain? No, the captain's captain Kirk. It's I think the ship is called the Kelvin. So so the captain Kirk is back. Yes. On the new series, the 2009 Star Trek movie. But what is a re Abrams is a reimagined it's a reimagined. It's a reimagined. I thought it was a new series. I thought you were talking about the new one, the new woke one.

No, this is the, these are the ones that I watch. They have, they have that guy who's great. The guy who crushed himself with a car and that wonderful actor. He's my, one of my favorite actors. I mean, Anton Yelkin. Yeah. I was thinking Jeremy Renner for a second. Yeah, I was thinking Jeremy Renner.

That was a snowplow. No, no, this was like the saddest story. I love that guy. He's so good in Green Room and he's just so good in everything he does, but he couldn't even save this for me. It was so... Well, Amir gives it to stars and he goes, listen, I'm no Star Trek fan, nor do I really care for the characters.

I don't for the characters. I don't even like movies, but it was it was. I'm not a fan of watching things or listening to them at all. I like to put my head in a dark box. Deal for me. I was just outside to say, and here's my unbiased review. And it's so funny that I said put my head in a box because remember that guy on Tom and Bunny's channel that likes to have his head put in a box and get slapped around by a dominatrix? Oh, yeah.

What the fuck? Yeah. He goes, listen, I'm no Star Trek fan nor do I really care for the characters. But it was cool to see Leonard Nimoy Spock. I'm not going to watch the original movie because there's like 17 of them. Zachary Quinto Spock. I'm not going to watch the original movie because there's like 17 of them. Zachary Quinto Spock sucks. I'm not going to lie. I almost punched my TV. Don't do that. Appropriate response, I would say. Now you got it. You got it. I've broke a TV before when I was younger. It's really a terrible feeling. You didn't like the Spock?

Well, because then you can't watch any good things. I was a young, I guess, person with a I guess you could say out of control temper, and I believe I was playing the video game FIFA and gave up a goal. And I punched my 37 inch TV and it like did the little like broke after. And it's like I felt so much shame, like the most shame, you know, I was like, oh, my God, because I immediately feel bad after anyways, but now I've got this broken TV. So don't be for man. That's really funny, man. Holy shit. This guy goes five stars, the very best Star Trek movie of them all. Bar none. Anything less would have been a disappointment

after so many years to reboot the franchise. the producers came up with a scintillating and an innovative idea to redo the timeline, thus making the impossible possible, creating a whole new story from the older material, giving it a fresh and wholly satisfactory new history where all the previous scenarios are now seen in a new light with different outcomes. This allowed the screenwriters to reshape the material and explain this new storyline for those unfamiliar with the old and make of a younger generation new of newvo Trekkies.

Oh, that's why they hate it. Pete Trekkies must hate this redoing the whole thing and making all of the previous stuff be seen in a different light. How can you think anyone would like that? I mean, I think this person should be institutionalized. Listen, this is the best that the new track, like, think Stranger Worlds tried to do something similar, where they have this because I did watch some of that, right? I did watch the first season, or I think the second season, they tried to do this timeline kind of like readjustment, you know, where everything

kind of makes more is supposed to make more sense to new viewers But nobody cares about that shit, dude The only people that care about continuity are the hardcore fans, right? And sure you can like you can like, you know, you can throw those people like a bone I guess but nobody cares about that shit dog. Nobody's going back and saying I mean, okay people are doing that in core comments and Reddit replies sure, but those people are fucking losers man. There's no need to do it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that though, I guess I think in my mind, you should try as hard as you can to kind of maintain continuity because the only people that are guaranteed to watch your show are the fans of the show.

That's the way I always think of that stuff is like, well, so finally, here we go. This is a three star. The new Star Trek movies are pretty good, but in retrospect, there are a lot of annoying sequences with unnecessary children in this film. The most utopian thing about this, most utopian thing about the Star Trek franchise is famously there are no children. There's Dr. Wesley Crusher. Except for Wesley Crusher, that annoying brat. Shut children. Well, there's Dr. Wessley Crusher, separate Wesley Crusher that annoying brat.

Shut up. I know he's the worst guy that will we. Oh, I remember when he got offended because somebody bonked Elmo on the head. Yeah. Yeah. I have to speak in the defense of will we is because he's done interviews where he said that people hated his characters So much they would see him in person and harass him and shit like that Like I was saying before the fandom could be so nice, you know those like actors or whatever

But if you're a really hated character and you have a fan base that, you know, gets lost in it and sort of, you know, skews the line or like blurs the line between reality, then they could be really nasty to you, you know, like, fuck, that would suck shit. And is it kid? Yeah. As a child, a teenager, he's like a teenager. Although Michael says half star, that's as low as it gets. Because you can't give a zero. Many people wish many people talk about that. They wish they could they start their review by saying I wish I could have given zero. Although the casting is mostly excellent, this film takes an amazing series and twists it into garbage with an astonishing lack of understanding of the source material.

Retcons are poison. JJ Abrams needs to find something at which he actually has some skill car washes. Perhaps I will say this, that that that's it for the episode. I will say that I appreciate how scathing these people are at people that they do not like, like the, the things, the things that they all agree on, whether it's two Vicks, the actions with two Vicks and Janeway or like things like that, like the things they hate, they really fucking hate. Like they, they

don't care and they're just mean about it. So I love that. Thank you guys for coming on the show. And and and it was so fun. And, you know, we'll start with Aaron, what tell me where to find you. People can find me at Afro Cosmos on Twitter, but they can also if they like what they heard today, they could check out the trail Billy workers party. The trail Billy's and um, yeah, man, thanks. Thanks for having me on and defending, you know, one of the greatest cultural products that this country has ever made, you know, one of the greatest cultural products that this country has ever made. You know, if I could say the best invention of the last, like to the last 200 and so years of this country is probably Star Trek, you know,

an Air Jordan disagree. Well, I mean, now that there are Jordans on, now that I know they're Jordan, I think I am going to try to watch something. I got to figure out how, because like, I still have this on like a TV or whatever. Well, no, no, I like I still have this unlike a TV or whatever Well, no, no, I have I still have this like fucking nerds that like I'll never be able to get rid of that out of my head It's just who I was and it's hardwired. Well, I know you you're doing and I think this comes out before you do it live show in Chicago. Oh, it's already sold out. Yeah, it's already sold out. But you'll be in Chicago for the DNC on August 21st.

Maybe you'll be there as well. At the moment, I'm on Twitter and just you just just cosign something Aaron mentioned earlier in the episode. If you're not familiar with Trek and you just want to like have a one off Trek episode, I would recommend the Deep Space Nine episode Far Beyond the Stars if you're looking for, you know, 45 minutes of science fiction TV writing that really, really opens up the throttle and like becomes kind of a meta commentary on science fiction reality. But a way that like shows that like intelligent writing in the 90s was able to confront things like racism

and you know like just the racism and racism in science fiction particularly in a way that is very Really moving and thrilling to watch how many explosions? none Explosion of racist prejudice I think that I I mean I'm never going to watch an episode of it. I got that. God, I would, if anything, listen, have, you know, experiencing this has turned me off

even more. It it seems more like it's just too much of it. But yeah, I do. I appreciate I don't I don't have any hatred for people who I'm not just saying that because you guys are on the thing. I don't have any hatred for people who I'm not just saying that because you guys are on the thing. I don't have any hatred for the fans. They do seem like, I don't know, pretty normal, genuinely compared to the people that we deal with.

I just cannot. This is like the Renaissance fair, guys. It's like they're just having they're having fun. They're having fun. It's nothing wrong with it. They're not getting really weird with it. And like, you know, they're not getting wrong with it. They're not getting really weird with it. And like a date, you know, they're not getting creepy with it or whatever. It's it's just some shit

that I didn't I didn't look for erotic. Yeah, you're right. Probably some of them are getting preview. I mean, my favorite brand of trucker, Rodica. No, we're closing out, but it's probably like the the shipping of Kirk and Bones or you know what I mean? Like just the original series cast like these manly manly men who are just, you know what I mean? Like just the original series cast, like these manly, manly men who are just, you know, we're going to bring that manly. We'll bring that to the Patreon guys. Plus murder X Brian or Patreon.com. So I was murder X Brian.

We will see you next week with something I don't fucking know. All right. And.