Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 82 - Death Metal Guys with Joe Thrashnkill

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

We went to the darkest place we've ever gone. (with the exception of the extremely evil real estate guys) this week on Guys we talked about death metal guys. Will they ever grow out of it? We read 2 of the weirder reviews I've seen and does Chris actually like Deicide? Joe runs the website  https://toiletovhell.com/ and you can find him at http://Twitter.com/joethrashnkill  See Guys Live in October bit.ly/top3weekendon 10/11 and 10/12 we will be performing at the Biltmore Cabaret in Vancouver. Come hang out with, Chris an I and the Blocked Party guys!!! There is much more Chris at twitter.com/thecjs and of course https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/murderxbryan twitter.com/murderxbryan and  https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social   Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to guys. I am Brian and I'm your host. That was pretty good, right Chris? Chris is here. He's a big Taylor Swift fan. Wow. A little bit concerned about the audio. It just says someone who deals with the audio now. I'm just a little concerned with your scream vocals up top. But yeah, no, I'm not listening.

I don't have a problem with Taylor Swift. I'm not a fan. I don't, I don't listen to, I don't seek out her music or anything like that. They are. And it's, you're just like all these other people that like Taylor Swift and not death metal. So if you haven't guessed we're doing one or the other, it is, it actually is. I've been reading a lot of posts by men who like death metal and it is definitely one or the other Chris But did you like that? I'm doing pretty good. We have you know, I was I was telling our guests before

The show we do a few different types of show So sometimes you know, we bring on a guy like Jesse Farrar to talk about drugs. That is a You know, we bring on a guy like Jesse Farrar to talk about drugs. That is a I guess you could call it like almost a fish out of water show, a show where the person wouldn't understand. We bring Mike on to talk about porno guys because he looks at porno guys all the time. He's an expert in porno guys. Just to be clear, porno guys, I just have Mike as a friend of mine. He's an expert in porno guys. Like he looks at guys

who watch porno or who are obsessed with sex and stuff. He doesn't watch a lot of, I mean, he might, but he doesn't. Yeah. So this time we have an expert. He runs a website called toilet of hell. Joe thrashing kill. Hi Joe. Hey, I'm so glad to be here and share what has essentially ruined my life with you guys. I've done your show and we mostly talked about corn and stuff and and like I probably did you guys get to you didn't get to carrots. I'm just messing around. Of course, I'm well aware of corn and their famous band member, the monkey.

It's monkey, not the monkey. But Toilet of Hell is not a super corn. Like I felt, I remember being done and being like, oh, those people probably hated me. Is it mostly heavier stuff? Yeah. It's underground heavy metal, which again was how I've ruined my life and made it hard to relate to other people.

But you know, I've said this before a million times. The reason I got into death metal specifically is through corn. Uh, yeah, I read an interview with, uh, either a head or monkey. I'm really not sure which one, uh, who said that, right? I'm sorry, Joe, did you see how he said it? Right. He said head or monkey. Just think of it as I listened to an interview and it was

either with head or monkey. I'm not think of it as like I listened to an interview and it was either with head or monkey. I'm not really talking super serious at the moment. No offense, you know. Sorry, I didn't mean to get you off, Joe. Essentially, they said what they thought of they were making was super slowed down, Morbid Angel songs with grooves to them, which is completely inaccurate if you try to map any of the music one to one. But it turned me on to Morbid Angel and that led me down this, this horrific path that's,

well, I guess it's led me to talking to you guys today. Yeah. Morbid Angel. Is that like a fame? I like them. Does everybody know Morbid Angel or? Yeah. Everyone knows Morbid Angel.

I know one song by Morbid Angel and it's probably from their death there because it came out when new metal was popping off. song by Morbid Angel and it's probably from their death there because it came out when new metal was popping off. So you know how every metal band was like, I'm going to do like a new metal album. Like Slayer did one, a few other bands did one. And Morbid Angel tried to do one. And there's a song that I used to listen to all the time called Where the Slime Lives. That song goes so dummy hard. I love that song. Yeah, where the slime is.

So fucking cool, man. So death metal guys are somebody asked me. I posted a thing from a ticket master review, which we'll be getting to later of a person saying he took his eight and 12 year old to see. I forget what the band was. Maybe it was morbid angel. Maybe it was the aside or something like that. And I said, Oh, cannibal corpses who it was, which is the one everybody knows that's cannibal corpses, like a fucking Justin Bieber of, uh,

I feel like that's cause of their name. Like genuinely, that is the reason why like in mainstream, they're kind of for me, they were like a really shocking name, you know? And so it's kind of interesting. So I don't know any of their music. I don't know that I could tell you a song, but I do know that band name for sure. I know that you probably heard one of their songs because it's in a movie. If you've seen Ace Ventura Pet Detective, of course I have. He goes to a heavy metal bar and there's a band on stage and that band is cannibal corpse playing their hit song hammer smashed face. Okay.

I don't remember that part. Like I remember the part where he was like he had the package at the beginning and he's kicking it around to the dog and everything and Dick butt kiss, but I don't remember that part. But that's like maybe the moat. Would you say Joe, that's the most famous death metal song? Yeah. The most exposure death metals ever had. And especially like when it was at a moment where you could actually make some money with it. So that was the apex. Yeah. So, so Cannibal Corpse is the big one. Deicide is the

other big one. And back when, when I was a teenager, I was a big Marilyn Manson fan. And I think there, of course, the music I liked quite a bit, but I think the other thing I liked was, hey, you go to this concert, there's gonna be some people protesting outside. And I just thought that was like the coolest thing in the world. So I would go to his concerts because of that. Why I'd read this story and like a alternative press or something where DS Glenn Benton from D side, he has an upside down cross tattooed on his forehead and or carved into his forehead and branded branded it he's repeatedly branded it dating yeah well yeah and he would put a bandana on and go out and protest with

the people out front I just thought that was the coolest thing anybody's ever done good job Glenn Benton even though like we're gonna listen to a little bit DSI why don't we do that so So Chris, I wanted to do this. Remember the jam band episode, we listened to some jam bands. So I thought, well, there's only three death metal. You just said these are like, these are the three death metal bands. Isn't there a lot of them? Like tons of them. Now, sorry to if I'm going off track here, but the thing I know about death, is it a different genre? You remember the in, um, in like Europe, in where they would burn down all the churches and stuff? That's black metal. Classic normie mistake. That's not, that's not death metal. See the

reason that it screws with me is because I think one of the famous guys is literally named death. Yeah. Yeah. Dead. Specifically dead story. Sorry, dead. You're right. Dead. That was the guy. And he had the corpse makeup on that he would wear all the time to make him look like he was dead. And then he died. Yeah. Because he was not dead enough. He thought he wanted to be full dead. But that's a different genre. Yeah, whole different genre. One Euro-centric, one American-centric. They actually had a lot of beef back in the day. They beefed a little bit like what East Coast, one American centric. They actually had a lot of beef back in the day.

They beefed a little bit like what East Coast, West Coast. I would think that the European ones who were burning down all the churches and murdering each other won that battle. You don't think the rednecks from Florida won that battle? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know a lot about them. I'm about to learn. So who knows? I mean, like good news is that most of the rednecks from Florida couldn't get passports. So they couldn't, they couldn't go over there. It really, it was, it really was a death metal is a Florida thing. Like it started in Florida, which makes so much sense. So let's, uh,

let's, uh, real quick, listen to a little bit of a deicide song, of course, see what that sounds like it's a bit it's a bit quiet i like that seems like up your alley chris right i see this is odd because I feel like there's some concept. I don't know where it comes from that I wouldn't like the music or something that I'm like going to be some fucking guy who's going to be like, Oh my God, I can't I can't handle this music. Like I used to I used to be massively into like thrash metal.

So like locally, there's a band in Vancouver called Street skateboarding, totally rules, everything else totally sucks. And then they broke off into a band called Bison BC, and then also Children in New York. And so I was like, I mean, I definitely listened to I don't know, music that sounds very similar to this and really enjoyed it a lot when I was younger. So yeah, I think my concept of your music case is from things you've said on podcast, which isn't like, I guess, not really an accurate representation. Yeah. I mean, you've said on like when you went on the pod cast, you're not a fan of any of the bands, but it makes sense. But I know you like like, yeah, I don't like new metal at all. No, I hate new metal as a genre, but I like I like metal music. And yeah, I guess more recently I listened to like more ambient music

like Brian Eno and Hiroshi Oshima and stuff. But yeah, I definitely this music. I like this shit, man. I like it gets me pumped up. Deicide, Chris, let's get to our slash death metal. Can we hear a bit more deicide? They are here. slash death metal. Can we hear a bit more deicide?

Yeah, yeah, we're here. I wouldn't mind hearing his vocals. He's coming in, I'm sure. I mean, it's kind of banging right now. Yeah. Okay, this is like actually good. Yeah. I'm way into this right now.

Oh, here we go This is like I Listen, I wanted this to be like the jam band episode. Oh just be like this sucks, but now I'm like this fucking rule Yeah, this is not the same vibe as the jam man episode episode what were you were playing a dead song a grateful dead song Yeah, this isn't the same vibe. I am very much into this and Yeah, I I might I might listen to some of this afterward. Let's get to some vocals here It is the singing is leaves a bit to be desired. Yeah, it's a little rough around the edges. Yeah, totally. It wasn't, I guess I, it wasn't what I was hoping for.

Yeah, you're hoping for something a little more like, I, like, you're always hoping. I think there's a thing where like the reason I could never like make the leap into death metal really was the like it's just not as melodic as like the guttural the guttural scream yeah like singing yeah I I was kind of hoping there would be a little bit it wouldn't be so low but are they all loaded low? Do they all? Oh, yeah. They all sing like, right? Not everybody specifically. And then there's a million. Oh, God, there's a million different sub genres that you sound like a real

asshole if you start going into. Hey, let's hear about it. Let's hear about it. Let's not. Here's the thing. Everything on this episode is death metal. I'm not getting it. We're not going to do an episode about a genre like another subgenre of death metal. I'm not getting any, we're not going to do an episode about a genre of like another sub genre of death metal. It's just not going to happen. This is, this is a catch all episode. Let's go to the page. Let's go to the Reddit. Uh, first Reddit post I saw

from was, uh, the, the subject line is still with this shit. You know, you're 40, right? Last Friday, my ex-wife dropped my daughter off earlier than expected. At that point, I was still in the garage finishing off a workout. And when I lift, I usually listened to loud music or a podcast, depending on my mood. That's very, two very different things. Normal. That's normal. I feel like I'm the same way. Sometimes you want music.

Sometimes you just want a little little a little talking or whatever. Well, that day I was in a devilish mood and I had cyto toxin blasting at levels that would have kicked me out of the neighborhood when her and my daughter scared the shit out of me by suddenly appearing in the garage doorway. I turned down the music and my ex wife just looked at me and said, still with this shit, I guess we're Canadian. You know, you're 40, eh? Yes, we're Canadian. You know you're 40, right?

And he goes, are you seriously surprised, I asked her? And no, I guess not, came the response. They better not throw me in an old folks home down the road because I'll be giving the other residents coronaries blasting tech death in my room all day. I'm with this shit till I die, so that is. I thought he was, he kind of lost me at the end as far as he didn't seem as cool anymore. He's like, you can lock me up in the old folks home,

I'll be still be blasting my tunes. Of course, that's such a weird thing for her to say. Are you still listening to the music that you liked 10 years ago? It's a funny thing for your your ex wife to say to you. Yeah, it is a funny way to phrase it. Like I was still with this shit, eh? Like classic ex wife maneuver right there. I love the idea.

I do have to say, I do love the idea that like, you're in it until you die and that I'm going to shock everybody with my death metal, my whole, like that's what I like shock everybody with my death metal my whole like that's what I like I think about death metal guys is that like they're like when I when people hear what I listen to they get a little freaked out that's like that's every death metal guy like if it's not shocking to some unnamed normie out there, some, some square then like, what's the point, right?

Yeah. And you can look at the song titles a lot of times and get what you're trying to get. Cause I remember looking at the song titles on that cannibal corpse album. Cause this guy we used to hang out with Chinese Eric gave it to my brother. And he, he gave him a cannibal corpse album. We listened to it and One of the songs on there was why did you call him Chinese Eric? Is he Chinese? Yes. Okay, I think But yeah, we call him Chinese Eric he sold us acid a lot and I don't think he liked being called that He seems like a really he's a really sweet guy and we shouldn't have done that. But anyway, uh He just want he would he would we shouldn't have done that. But anyway, he- You just want, he would have preferred just Eric.

Probably Eric, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He didn't care. It wasn't like we were- If you had to do it over- Goodbye, yes. With everything you know now. But obviously when we're younger,

we don't understand that type of thing. But if you had all of your knowledge now, you'd probably just call him Eric. I would, yes, yes. I don't know if the other guys would, but I definitely would. Um, he brought it over and I was looking at the song titles and, and like one of the songs on it is called necropetaphile. And I was just like, Jesus Christ, this is

too much for me. Like it was way too much for me, which I think is the goal. But like then as you get a little older, you find out like, oh, these guys are fucking around. The guys that make the music aren't that, aren't as weird as you might think they are. It's the guys that listen to the music, right Joe? Yeah, well, I mean, I will put an asterisk on that. Like a number of OG Florida death metal guys have been arrested for God knows what kind of crazy things. A former guitarist and obituary did have like human remains

found with like a meth lab set up in his home when he got raided a few years ago. But yeah, for the most part, like it's shock value stuff, you know, that song specifically, like you can tell that they're clearly giggling to each other, trying to one up with the lyrics, this will really get them. Then the fans that I guess have a little trouble separating facts from fiction. Yeah. Well, I mean, as a guy that does a thing, as a guy that does a podcast, I'm-

As a guy that does a thing. Yeah. I'm, I'm largely the thing with me is like, I'm one of the more normal people out there, but then they, the people that are on the show as guests, they like oversell me being like a weird guy. So then people in public think I'm like a really weird guy when I'm really not. And I think that is the kind of thing that happens with death metal band. I spend a lot of time with you. I would say I talked to you a lot. Anybody about my wife? Yeah. And I would say that you do have a few things that I've maybe learned about you that I wouldn't necessarily say I've ever heard another human being say ever in my entire life and never

even considered that a human being could ever act that way. But yeah, I mean, for the most part you're pretty normal. I would say Chris is doing a bit there. Swerve 13 drum says metal isn't a phase. I'm an unapologetic lifer. Age 47 than the most metal dad I know. Torrens up brother. Although like if you're the most metal dad, you know, are you even doing it right? Like you should maybe be surrounding yourself with like even more metal dad so you have something to aspire to and that you're just sort of in that light, you know, like it's like, whoa,

so you don't even hang out with any other hardcore metal dads. That's not right. It's like a success mindset thing, right? You know, if you're, if your inner crew isn't talking about, you know, the latest from two mold, like you gotta, you gotta get your paper up. Yes, absolutely. This guy goes spot on. I remember telling my wife's grandmother, if it was a phase, I would have come out of it by now while wearing my cattle decapitation t-shirt and grandma, she's got to be an older elderly woman, right? And you're saying even if she's a 50 year old, you know what I mean? Even if she's like a young grandma.

But I don't, I don't think so, because it's like it's also his partner. So they're older too, at a time, you know, I feel like this is an elderly woman. And what a cow decapitation, is that the name of something? Or is talking about it's a band you know it's an image of a cow decapitated no they do a image it's like he's the guy behind the bands like a vegan so his imagery is like humans being farmed like cattle yeah and this person says people like what they like I'm not gonna stop listening to metal just cuz I age sure some stuff ages badly and does suck when you're older, but death metal is fun and complex music. And honestly, I put it in the same lane as classical music and some jazz genres.

I mean, this whole thing is just confusing to me because like I think most people like who are really into a type of music, keep listening to it. I know. Right. into a type of music, keep listening to it. I know. Well, I guess you're supposed to grow out of metal though. Metal is like a special sort of metal. I understand that you should grow out a new metal. We can agree, Joe, as far as metal goes, is new metal not like a childish form of metal?

Look, I'm just saying that new metal, it has come around again. So something was there. Yeah, I mean, children that New Metal has come around again, so something was there. Yeah, I mean, children are born every year, Joe. I mean, there's a new breed of teens coming up who can enjoy this very simple music. It's not simple at all. You've never even listened to the Deftones, it feels like. Well, I have, unfortunately, because I've lived in society, but yeah, I wish I hadn't had

And honestly, the death tones are like the perfect band to play for an alien if they come to earth, okay You know This guy goes We wouldn't have death metal without jazz after all and I guess I mean we wouldn't have death metal without cavemen Banging on rocks in the second century BC. We wouldn't have without the big bang. They're mad at each other. Now doesn't mean bands like Sepultura death and possess were jamming Miles Davis when writing our first albums. Sure. Maybe cynic won't exist, but

that's not death metal as a whole. And then there were a reply, you're being sarcastic, right? That's one of my favorite message board replies. You're being sarcastic, right? It means you're saying something incredibly stupid. Yeah. And really upsetting to somebody like so upsetting that they they're not even sure you're being serious about it. Because bruh, you know nothing about death metal. If you think that, especially if we talk about technical death metal, it's very influenced by free jazz and jazz fusion.

Even the band's death itself was influenced by it. And then a guy comes in and goes, not at the beginning, they weren't read interview with atheists. Chuck thought jazz had no place in death metal. Certain bands or sub genres wouldn't exist. Sure. But that's not what you said. Technical death metal does not require any jazz influence at all.

Some bands use it. So we're in an argument now about jazz. We're already in the weeds, man. This is this is serious stuff. Yeah, they they guess they finished arguing about they like they did all their arguments about metal and stuff. And then so now they're doing a jazz argument. I mean, they I think music guys do love to argue and they also love to make a list. Oh my god. The best thing about the death metal

guys is that you Chris, you know, when we did sky guys, prog guys, all those episodes, we would, I would search the word under rate overrated overrated. Yeah. It would be a lot of people getting furious about somebody calling their favorite band, like saying, this is negative. We shouldn't even be talking about this. This is, you know what I mean? Like that did not happen when I searched for it in death metal. They went along with it and they're like, I'll tell you who's fucking overrated. And then they'd say one of the, like, it's like, you know, it's overrated

cannibal corpse and people would be like, Oh, look at you. You're a fucking hipster. And it would just turn into a hell. Yes. This thing that I've been, I've been on my soapbox for like a decade about this, but like, you know, you, you watch enough arguments about, you know, sub sub sub genre death metal with like literally maybe 150 listeners. Yeah. And you realize that you got involved in model trains as a hobby, or like fly fishing as a hobby, because it's all the same forum argument over and over again. Yeah.

This person says 41 here, been listening to black metal all day, your ex wife sucks lol. And the OP comes back and day. Your ex wife sucks. L.O.L. And the O.P. comes back and he quotes your ex wife sucks and he says frequently until I put a ring on it. So she used to give a head. She's the second dick a lot. Well, that's how it goes. You know, they put the ring on there and then they say goodbye to oral sex. Any kind of sex, even penetrative sex, pussy and vagina sex.

It doesn't any idea. But shut up. I love when I love when Brian I love when I make fun of Brian and he takes a second to realize that it's happened. Yeah, yeah. I also looked up if there were any erotic death metal lyrics a guy asked death metal with sexual slash erotic lyrics because I'm making a Spotify playlist about slanish from warhammer 40k so this guy is already what who's is that just like one of the guys yeah it's one of

the guys he goes I mean the next guy goes I mean a lot of slam slash brutal death metal has what I would consider sexual lyrics. It's just not all consensual or alive. So that's something they they do. And guy replies and the OP replies to go somewhat unrelated but I always wanted to listen to a band that sings about sex and eroticism in a way that isn't rapey or gory. Okay, there's a lot of those. There's most of those. Well, it's death metal, like we discussed with these people who are trying to shock. And so obviously, they're talking about it's quite easy to shock with sexual stuff. So I'd imagine that's what they try to do with their sexual lyrics, right?

Yeah, like R&B, maybe. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There. Yeah. R&B, maybe. Yeah, that's what I say. There's actually like R&B music that is. Or yeah, rock and roll, soft rock, contemporary rock. Some of that stuff will just have, you know. Yeah. But R&B definitely genuine. Have you heard genuine? Every genre of rock music base, like every genre of pop music, basically.

Everything else, even some hip hop you can find definitely. So I would say all other genres of music other than the one you like. He goes, I was always interested in stuff like orgies or something in movies and stuff. Are you reading something now, Brian? Or is that was not? No, I'm reading the post. I was always interested in orgies or something in movies and stuff. And it'll be really cool to see that in death metal I feel like sex is a perfect lyrical theme for death metal Sure sex is love and all but that's some but sometimes sex is a sin in other words

It's dark not in the sense that you want to look at it like gore imagery But you want to look at it It kind of makes this cool contrast of reaction while both being dark concepts. Maybe instead of uncensored Gore for album art, maybe it should instead have uncensored porn or maybe instead of detailed Gore lyrics, it should instead have detailed sex acts as lyrics. So this guy just number one, he wants porno album cover. He wants to I guess he's like finding that he's short on time and he wants to be like, he's finding he's spending a lot of time jacking off, spending a lot of time listening to death

metal and if he could combine those two things, he could save some time in his work week perhaps. Because I don't, I don't understand why you would want to gather. But why would there be porno on the cover? Like what is what is that for? Well, that's porno. If there's one thing I know about sexy, it's porno. Porno is like one of the more sexy people. Are you not trying to be, oh, in this sense he's trying to put He wants sexy death metal. He is shooting for like, I don't know why, but he wants sexy

death metal, which is something that I'm going to be honest with, with you. I don't think exists and I don't think will ever exist. Joe, is there anything you can think of as an expert that would you would be like, have you ever listened to a song before and you got a little bit or a little twerked up on this? Yeah, there's nothing more erotic to me than like a guy with really long hair that's graying, big huge on Kent beard going, This guy brings up Gore grind.

Yeah. And the OP says, can you give me some recommendations? I'm not very familiar with the sub genre. I only know odor of torture by gut I'd love to know more the guy responds and goes clit eater clock and Clit eater cock and ball torture gutta lax torco fuck wake. Oh, Jesus What's the first one clit clit It's a part of the woman's vagina no, I know that I let you know it's a it's a good place to work I

Know and I know but I just say I said it like have you heard of that banjo Is that like a known band? Yes, but I would say that we're getting off. We're getting off the rails We're getting somewhere. Can you play a song from Clit Eater? Are they on YouTube? They certainly are, yes. Oh my goodness. Okay, I would love to hear a bit of Clit Eater. I think probably I'm not the only one listening right now

who's like, I wanna hear what. You're a nuke. They have a song called Nuke Them All. So their first song. Yeah, that's the one. It's the official video we'll do Clit Eater this is Clit Eater nuke them all all right classic short song Oh, the choice to have a rebel flag on the ever Confederate flag. Very it's like I was probably maybe they didn't realize, but it seems very prominent in the

video does seem to be emphasizing it quite a bit. So Clit Eater, are they would they what you would call racist? I did. I would think if you were Clitit eater, you'd write a sexy song or two. You expect better from clit eater, to be honest. I'm going to write a letter to clit eater and say I'm pretty disappointed in you guys. This is track three of their latest album from enslavement to cliteration. Pretty good. Pretty good. It's good. I get it. I get it. Yeah. I got CBT and torture torso fucker. Great. Don't know

the others though. I've only ever heard of some of them by name, but I'll have to check them out. Thanks. This guy goes Soylent Greens debut album pussy soul. So that sounds kind of sexy like honestly as far as the names we've heard so far. That's the first one I've heard where I think that could be a sexy song Oh, what about this next guy? He goes he just simply says I come blood Of course cannibal corpse classic. Oh, that's that's a famous song. No, no beast wrote gorgas And then the guy finally goes thanks for all the

Things for all the recommendations guys cuz he's tired of it And then a deleted post Chris We got ourselves a crossover here. Everybody get very excited a crossover guy. There we go Sorry to be that guy But slanish is about hedonism in any form if you roll with this idea suddenly There's much more death metal available to you any bands with lyrics about killing sprees ecstasy of violence drug use etc are all prime for use and then the op says you're right thanks have a nice day so this guy was like ah you're not getting the vibe right for your warhammer character we can help you with a better war hammer.

I understood slanish. I forgot that this had anything that there was any war hammer mentioned in the beginning that I wonder that that is so how did that guy find his way there? I want maybe he's a death metal and there's a lot of crossover. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's gotta be one of the one of the greatest death metal bands of all time is called Bolt Thrower, which is named directly after a bunch of Warhammer bullshit. I don't really know. I don't know how Warhammer works, but yeah, it's somewhere in there. Well, it's pretty simple. I don't know how you're talking. It's the most complicated thing I've ever heard.

I had it. We did a whole episode on it and I was nowhere closer to understanding anything about it. You paint little guys, you paint little guys. You spend a lot of money first, then you paint the little guys. And let's go to little guys with your money. Yes. Yeah. Let's go to Ticketmaster.

Joe, I don't know if you know this, but people review concerts on Ticketmaster.com. The first time I had ever heard of this was on your episode about Jam Bands. I was like, what the fuck is this? Why are you reviewing Umphrey's McGee on Ticketmaster? Maybe we can ask why John is reviewing Morbid angel and crypto, um, crypto would be the support act there or is it a, is it like, are they on the same level? Yeah. Good.

Just like a lady death metal band. And that will come up last night's morbid. This is a five star review from John for the Baltimore soundstage. So John really liked this show. Last night's morbid Angel show was pretty awesome. The pit was lively and the crowd was nothing short, but crazy wild. He got that wrong. I didn't get that wrong. Nothing short, but crazy wild. Not to mention the amount of women that were in the pit as well. Love it. Krypta played their 30 minutes at first. These Brazilian queens

are going to do special things in metal. Even got to meet and greet them who were very nice and extremely genuinely gracious, but I refused to take a picture with them, but just shared my appreciation seeing them and welcoming them to the States. I just refused to partake in the zoo like tourist frenzied attitudes at some were exhibiting. Geez people, vitriol and revocation also played. He didn't get his picture taken because.

Well, he's just a little bit above that. It's like you guys are fanning out a little bit, but I'm not really like, I just respect the music. Honestly, though, even the way he phrased it, he's like, I meet and greet. He's saying he greeted them. The way he phrased it was almost like,

it's just we're greeting each other. You know what I mean? Not like they're doing a meet and greet that I came to. I like his attitude. Like I'm not, you know, I don't want to be a part of the celebrity culture machine. I just bought the meet and greet ticket, the extra VIP ticket that you do the meet and greet with. You know what I mean? Just to like vibe with them on like a person to person

level though, you know? Honestly something must have been pretty vile there because he writes about women creepily in this bit, but he must have seen like his fellow nerd going like crazy gross around these women. Oh yeah, putting their arms around them. That would probably happen. I was thinking about, he's like writing about women. I wonder, I was thinking about it if it's creepy and I think it probably is. I was like thinking about the way he says like, I love it that there's women in the pit, but there's the other side of it where he's just like,

hey, it's cool to see that it's usually just all guys in the pit. Like it was cool to see like a more diverse like, you know, in the pit. But I mean, yeah, most, most likely I'm giving them unnecessary benefit of the doubt here. He goes vitriol and revocation also played last night. Both also brutally shook the pillars of the Baltimore sounds town stage. However, while talking with the lead singer of crypto, Fernanda Lira, her and I were both surprised with the choice. Lira. Her and I were both surprised with the choice. Why don't this guy is like I was basically doing the concert and in a lot of ways, like I was kind of on that side, whereas you guys were on that.

You know, we we weren't like they were discussing. I love the way he goes. However, while talking with the lead singer of crypto, Fernanda Lira, her and I were both surprised with the choice of background music followed by hysterical laughter the song you may ask Sue studio by Phil Collins, SMH, those guys from revocation love their Phil Collins lol and the crowd ate it up too, which was cool as fuck. And last but not least, morbid angel. So he has spent all of his time talking about how he talked to a woman in a bed. He's a red letter day for

a death metal fan. Yeah. He's not even gotten to the show yet or in this review. And he's written like a lot of words. It's so fucking funny to frame it. Like he, it wasn't just him saying, isn't it weird they played Sue studio. And then her, and then she's like, what was that? Sorry. Like it's kind of loud. Like what? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She politely said, oh yeah. They love the Sue studio. She didn't hear what he said fully.

You heard just like a couple of words and she sort of like did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he thought they were having like a couple of words and she sort of like did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Like a deep conversation like it was frost Nixon or something He goes Borben angel there were more What's there more to say they triumphed and their live sound was so refined and crystal clear their new material Translated well and the crowd was just as receptive But then again that soundstage system has and is the best sound ever. Again, all bands sounded and were superior.

So no, that's not how superior works. They were superior, superior to what? All the only one of them. Okay, nevermind. Yeah, I know this guy is very positive and I appreciate that. It does feel like he's kind of like, he kind of thinks of himself maybe as a bit of a guy who should be maybe doing this professionally in like a magazine of some kind, you know? Like those sort of language he is. I appreciate that. You know, he takes it serious. I think he feels like a big deal.

And I think he's doing the thing where it's like, so I've met guys in bands that I really like and I'm melted down every time. It was just, I didn't, I haven't met one since I've had the podcast and I actually understand that people are just people. So every time I met the guys from corn, I was like scared. But I met the guitarist for death tones, Stephen Carpenter once and I didn't meet him. I just said, Hey man, will you sign my ticket?

And he is like, do you have any cigarettes? And I gave him a cigarette and then that was it. And I told that story like me and him were on the same level at that moment so many times that I'm thinking about this guy and thinking about the moment that I said I had. Yeah, I just I, as you say it, I've just I've pitched I had the same thing. I had a moment like that as well when I was younger outside Richards on Richards in Vancouver when I met Robin Pe, old from Fleet Fox's, who's like the lead singer of Fleet Fox's, not a metal band, obviously.

But they were like I met him before they were big, you know, and it was like the most nothing interaction ever. And I just like told it like that. I was chill, like talking to fucking Robin Peck, no, like just shooting the shit. It was like we said no, nothing. It was like not we said no nothing It was like hey, what's up? I like your music like that was it. I did the same thing. I Would just see Cole chamber and slip not one and Cole chambers guitar player Raina woman and

The dream of I mean everybody's dream woman at that time at the show, cause she was a woman, she stepped on my foot while she was walking back to the green room. And I told that story a bunch of times too. I was like, she turned around and said, sorry. And I was like, Hey, don't worry about it. You always just have to like add a little bit of something in there because you recognize that it's not good enough on its own. So you have to lie a little bit. But not too hard. Not too hard. The bones of the story are true.

Yeah. I talk to musicians pretty regularly. I put it out of my head like you're just a normal person, we're here to talk shop or whatever, help promote your record. But one time I saw a musician that I really liked at a bar where I had had 17 or 18 drinks. And I made NASA myself, I walked up, I'm like, Oh my God, you had a huge fan. I saw you guys on this album cycle when I was in college. He was like, yeah, that was a long time ago. And then he walked away.

He's so weird. I guess, I mean, like, I don't have any fame or whatever, but like when we would do live shows and people would talk to me outside of the show, it really was like, for me, it was like the same kind of weird as it is for them. So when I think about it now, it's like, Oh, when these guys are meeting these people, it's weird for both sides. You don't know what to say. Like a lot of times you have no, like a lot of guys

would come up to me and be like, Hey, I was going to bring you some Xanax, but I took it and it's like, you know, that's funny. That's funny. That's a funny like, you know, that's a nice little icebreaker. Yeah. Yeah. I think Brian and our way down, we're going we're doing a live show coming up soon, too. So if people are at the live show, you feel free to come talk to me. I'm very social. I'll talk. I will. I will enjoy it. I will. I won't come on the podcast afterwards and talk shit about the interaction on the

podcast that you're probably listening to. Don't worry. You off. Brian, he starts panicking because he realizes it. He's like, okay, I got to step it up here. I will suck you. This next guy gave it three stars. He goes, it's all right.

This is a Grimer C theater in New York venues, clean, but small and tough to get around in during sold out shows. Acoustics are average expensive drinks, of course, but seating was the main problem. Getting a seat as a free for all. And if you're a normal sized adult man, you're going to be uncomfortable sitting in one. So this guy, normal sized adult man, he might be a big metal guy though. A lot of metal guys are pretty big too. I've noticed. Let's go to cannibal corps. I mean like big. I'm

not saying fatty. They're like big, huge guys. Let's go to cannibal corps. Now I'm going to tell this guy, this first cannibal corps fan is like a young Brian for sure. And I'm going to tell you, it's unbelievable that I saw this and it just reminded me of being younger. The film, this is a three-star review. The Fillmore and the Underground host great bands. Just understand that when you go, you'll get profiled for what type of band you're there to see,

what you wear and how you present yourself. Security here comes down much harder on rap, hip hop and metal crowds. No chains, no face pain, full pat downs and scans. Don't expect to let loose and have fun. Just get lost in the crowd. Keep your head down and watch the show. Bring a credit card and expect to pay out the nose for anything, including

parking, don't waste money on a VIP or any add ons as they get you nothing. No early entry. Even if you pay and you get. If you pay and you get, if you pay and you get to stare at a pole or behind the stage for VIP, the bands were great. And I only came here because of the bands they book. But with the way security profiles, the metal crowd here, it's pretty much like watching metal bands at a funeral or church mass. I have a, I have a question and that is that this is a venue that just has one show going per night.

Yeah. So then why, what does it have to do with what you're wearing? They know what the band is that's playing. Yeah, well. They're not like, oh, this guy's got metal gear on so he must be a metal guy. And they know the music that's playing at the venue, right?

So when I was 19, maybe 20, me and my wife were, were out driving and we got pulled over and the cops pulled me out of the car and search me. They didn't, they didn't search her, but they pulled me out of the car and search me and I told that story like I'd been like racially profiled for a long time saying like, just because I dress like this, they think I have drugs on me, you know, and I like would tell people that story. And you thought it was because and you're like trying to make it sound like you're like, it's so ridiculous, but really you think it's very cool. Like, you know, I mean, you're like, Oh, it's so annoying that they do that. But it's like the purpose of the story is so people know that you like are like, cool. You're so cool that the cops think you have

drugs. You look dangerous, sir. Let me put, but yeah, I used to always say, Oh, I've been followed around the store too. Cause the way that I dress and probably cause you were like a known fucking shop lifter, your pants were clearly big enough to fit several items. You had those huge cargo pants on. Yeah. I mean, I followed you. I mean, truly, if you've seen a photo of Ryan in that era of his life, if you are doing

security at a store and he came in and you did not follow him around, you should lose your job. This person says sold out. Yes, indeed. It was sold out. Many cannibal corpse fans that attendance perhaps room for more scalpers should be scalped bootleggers need their legs removed. Fire up the chainsaw. Next show the forum. I mean, that's kind of, listen, I, I do appreciate the sentiment. Yeah, I hate the people driving the prices up He's not scalping them. That's yeah. Yeah, you got scalp on and kill them and really nasty This Samantha. Oh Gave it five stars and says what was amazing. They came to play and kicked my ass

They did a one and a half hour show and just killed it loved Loved how some of the security looked when some of the songs were announced. Oh yes. This is so cool because they've got their, the only normies in the building are the security guys because everybody else is like, they're, you know, they're working the venue or they like, you know, plan to be there. So it's like the only people that they could possibly look at to look down on are the security people. I once asked the I was at a corn show and I was talking to a guy and he was like I was

talking to the security guard and I was like this probably craziest crowd you've ever seen in your life. Oh Brian you are so lame. You are so lame dude. Is that a crazy? He's probably like, shut the fuck up. He did. He did. He said, well, Jackal was here last week and that was a lot crazier than Jackal. Huh? He said Jackal is the craziest show he's ever worked.

For some reason, I imagine that's like a favorite band of Tom and Bunny. Like I'm jamming Jackal? And that would be a difficult crowd to handle, let me tell you. Absolutely. Rock me, roll me, jackal me off. Yeah, that would be tough. That would be tough. It was so embarrassing when I think about it now saying like, oh, this probably blew

your fucking mind. You were probably freaked out by this pit. He's like, I'm here all the time. And it's like there's like it's like an all ages show. I'd imagine, right? It has to be an all ages show if it's corn because they can't sell it otherwise. Oh, get out of here. This person says weird four stars.

Cannibal Corpse was way better at Fonda. Will Turn Crowe was the weirdest. Seemed like most people were lounging in the waiting area on their phones. Seems like family night at the show, whatever happened to leaving your kids at home first band and dark funeral were making me sleepy that by the time cannibal corpse came out, I was ready for bed. This guy sounds like he might be aged. He's too old to rock.

And you're mad at all the people bringing their kids like, yeah, you're not rocking at all, dude. You know, you should be at home. This guy goes great show, but awesome time. Only bad part of the experience. Oh, this is a good one. This is a good one. How many stars?

How many stars is this? Five, okay. Five. Awesome time. The only bad part of the experience was having to use ticket master as they unnecessarily Complicate the process of attending and had ludicrous fees that don't even go to the bands

Thanks for nothing ticket master. Is this not the review you were looking for? Oh At least that was an appropriate use of the ticketicketmaster app review system, I think. Right? You're right. No, it's not. No, but he's because all of the other people, you're supposed to review the event. You would think that that is the right thing to do, but this guy is kind of saying to them, like, hmm, guess you never thought of this.

I guess you were probably hoping I'd do a review on the show, but I've actually turned my scope on to you. Hoisted by your own petard. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's funny just to say it like, like, like you're like, you're the Joker or something like you just did, like, but you didn't expect me to do that. And the other issue I think I have with this review is again, it's five stars. Oh, well, I think I think this is this is listen, if

I know anything about this type of subterfuge, I would say that this guy, he needs him to read it. He wants to make sure that the ticket master the big wigs will read it and they only read the five star reviews. We know that. So then he throws the five star view, puts it in there. Now it's getting in front of their eyes, you know, finally, this is a four star review for the Fillmore silver Springs. Uh, the show that the show, what I saw a bit was awesome. Cannibal Corpse was better than ever.

The experience getting into the film where it was not so good. The lines were extremely long getting into the Fillmore. We got there early enough, but the lines moved at a snail's pace. We were slowed down heavily by many people who regularly attend metal shows that wear all types of metal spikes, et cetera, and other heavy metal fashion wear. Definitely slowed down the metal detectors process.

Once we got past security, they were unable to scan my digital barcode. My party of three were then instructed to go back outside to the box office window and get them to send us new barcodes that were scannable. We then had to go through security a second time. Not the best experience. Holy shit. You had to like go back out and then come like, I mean, that's not, I mean, I guess that's what reviews are. I don't know. Cause I would never think about reviewing something like this. But I mean, it doesn't sound like it was that bad. And yes, you're going to a metal show. You have to expect that some of the other people are going to have

metal stuff on them. It's in the name. Yeah. Well, I went to Amazon looked up Morbid Angel. We are going to read a review from illude, Divinam, Insanus. Oh no. Is that the right one? Right? Why do you say that? Chris, does this mean anything to you at all? Of course not.

So Morbid Angel had a run of like six, seven great all time landmark death metal records. And then this, this was the stinker. This is the one where they got really into EDM and like dubstep. I see. So they went electronic with it and changed like almost genre changed. So in terms of like heavy metal history, this is considered one of the worst records ever made. Oh, well, Disco Devil disagrees.

He gave it five stars. I mean, Disco Devil, I feel like he likes different type of music. I think you're going to like this guy, guys. I do think the listeners will like this. I think Joe and Chris will love this. Joe might hire this guy to tell you the truth. You might like Disco Devil. He goes, you the truth. You might like disco devil. He goes you fool.

These eyes are never for you. This was on August 17th. He goes in 2011. So this is all one big oh, so and the taxonomy of extreme metal. There is nary a shadowy crawl space for subjectivity. No one has seizures when they look at the best of lists and see alters of madness. The rough parameters of the style were established crusty eons ago by people that played the music that they would want to listen to and by accident what fans wanted to hear.

The great bands old and new rise like flame to the heavens and are recognized. If this comes off as a bit fascistic, I agree that your soul is free to live in whatever illusion it desires, but there's no freedom without truth. And the truth is that this album is jaw dropping, use once and destroy awesome. And he Brian, so when you said that you were going to like love this guy, Right. Well, he's not done yet.

But you meant in the way of like, we're gonna really hate them and it's gonna be funny and we're gonna love them for that reason because it's you can go either way. You're like, you're gonna love this guy. Sometimes it's just like a fun loving character. I think this guy is incredibly annoying. Keep going. Too extreme is an ecstatic shock to the senses. It brings to mind hard hitting electro house and London base as much as hardcore techno by the years of an old school raver, new school dessert, desert burner. This is manifestly state of the art for a link. Manifestly state of the art. This is manifestly state of the art. Is that somebody smarter

than me could tell me if that means anything at all? It goes for a link between Burning Man and Heavy Metal. Consider the lyrics of Flame to the Surface by Cryptopsy. So that's and then he goes. People are looking for that link, though, right? That's the thing, Joe, if I as an expert, people are especially especially not with Cryptopsy either. That is that's the band that has nothing to do with any of this shit. Well, the next he's reviewing a few of the songs here, he goes, uh, I am

morbid is the premier rallying cry for death metal unity in a parallel dimension. Anyway, where the listeners are highly sophisticated. It could also be a reply to the title of Tom G warrior's book about Celtic frost. So it could be that. Okay. Yeah, it could be, I guess it could be a really whatever, right, it could be I guess it could be really whatever, right? I mean, there's just a bunch of random shit out there. What is it? Is this like, is it considered bad music? Like, do

death metal people hate it? Or does I do also like EDM people hate it as well? You know what I'm asking? I have never encountered anyone that actually likes this record. Can we listen to one of the songs? We should listen to like I Am Morbid. Yeah, like on, sorry. No, no, no, sorry. Raticult.

Raticult is the one. Oh, there's a review for that too in here. Let's uh, you want uh, you want Raticult? Well, here he goes. Let's hear the review first. We'll hear the review of Raticult and then we'll play it. Yeah. The next guy, the next one is Destructo versus the Earth. Destructo versus the Earth is the only true answer to Iron Man ever made.

If you want something to stick to your God damn. God, it's that's odd because I feel like people have been trying for a long time. The answer to Iron Man. Like Ozzie wrote this song it went out of the void nobody even thought about answering it yeah yeah we haven't had a new Iron Man in fucking decades but now we do he goes if you want so we do he's Dr. Death that's an inside joke it kind of works it's like for the Marvel heads out there. Nevermore has sounds. Guitar that

reminded me of golden age tech step drum and bass as a got as a goth off is the Tom Morello of death metal. It has come to my attention that some has failed to find enjoyment in this album. If this album did not sit well with you, perhaps it will be some consolation and know that there are serious metal heads who worship material like this, which only a band of morbid caliber can deliver. It might suggest a departure from the usual chemical formulas, those spelled out and goddamn electric by Pantera. One of the worst Pantera songs, just one of the worst Pantera songs from the worst record. Yeah, it's a terrible album, but the exquisite panache that this album radiates as the result of musical genius married to decades of performance.

Let's consider the matter of lyrics. Traditional death metal lyrics, a reductionist study of the human body and its frailties are alternatively metaphysical speculation as to the limit. alternatively metaphysical speculation as to the limit of powers of the mind. Oh, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no.

No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no.

No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, I don't think so, but it's just it gets me thinking that for a moment because it's so over the top. It doesn't sound like anyone could actually talk this way, but it is in it is over the top in a way that like it's over the top in a way that like, you know, it's real. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's I don't like I said, just to be clear.

I do not think it's a bit. I just thought it for a moment as I was hearing some of those words. It crossed my mind. Vincent takes the latter path most often channeling the voice of a vainglorious deranged deity calling us faithful to celebrate his Magniloquence is unmatched. See this one. I mean like is Magniloquence even a word like it. I'll look it up. This guy has a real one in the day. I've never heard that before. It's a Magniloquence using high flown or bombastic language. So it is a word.

He's not making that word up. So this guy, yeah, this guy is a thesaurus word a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a hero, a leader. He chants in Latin for God's sake. Here are the brilliant camp and irony and Vincent's lyrics is executed with Tarantino levels of style and confidence. It brings to mind the Mars. Buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy, hang on. Don't talk over that. Everyone listening has to... I think that's a lie. The Tarantino levels, I mean, that is, this guy is really painting a picture for us now. The Tarantino-ification of,

that's how he should have said it. Yeah, he should have said Tarantino-ification, yeah. The Tarantino-ification of this genre of music would have been what I would have said he he goes It brings to mind the Mars of Edgar Rice Burroughs or the Conan of Robert E Howard while we're on the subject have you ever read the lyrics to beneath the remains or the negation cherished treasures? They are the him outsiders take on our language as part of the charm not to mention an alien challenge to our conceptual scheme Incidentally the newest decapitated as some of the best lyrics ever to grace a metal album penned by Jared Seuss bricked

I'm gonna be honest with you outside of interludes 95% of the time I have a serious problem with electronics even keyboards being used in extreme metal aside from a few tracks on remanufacture another really bad album. Who's that? Who's that by? It is Fear Factory, but it's a remix album, which people who listen to POD guys who know me know that I hate remixes. They're the worst things in the world. Like love covers, hate remixes. Interesting dichotomy there.

Yeah. Oh, covers. There's never been a bad cover, but remixes, they're all bad. So he goes, I'm not sure that's all changing now. I'm not sure if it's a result of advances in studio technology or their heightened sophistication of the artists, but for empirical proof of the evolution, you need only hear the terrifying type, terrifying sub base of bring me the horizons dubstep remixes, the shocking studio manipulations on the new one. We need to break this. Can you play one of the songs now? We know we haven't even gotten to that time, but can you play it? I just, I feel like we need to break up this. I mean, this guy is an incredible reviewer,

but he's kind of getting into his words now, you where it's becoming a bit of a salad I feel like oh yeah well I mean it's been that from the beginning but we'll do radical I'm presenting so this is considered one of the worst metal songs ever death metal this is one of the worst death metal songs anybody's ever heard right jo? That's what I would put out. Yes. All right. As a plus side, it's also seven and a half minutes long. Yeah. We might have to jump forward a bit. It's going to have some real big buildup intro or what? Yeah, here. Yeah. Let's get into that. I want to hear some synth.

Here, we'll move up here. The walls are high, we know they got to come down. Okay, that's good. We've been crossing the line since 1989. We're moving the world because of power is a shining thing. It sounds almost like rockabilly music. I'm going to be honest, I could probably jam to this. Really? Yeah.

That's not bad to me, no doubt about it. I immediately like that part of it right there just sounds like. It's the part I like. All you hear it like somebody jamming out in a bar or something, you know, just some real shitty cover band. It's not edgy enough. Like, are you saying it's like kind of not edgy? It sounds like a cover band is like, you know, in the middle of their shows, like, here's

one we wrote ourselves, you know, like that's what it seems like Yeah I think that's good. Did you have a little bass? I kind of disagree. I kind of agree with disco devil Tell you the truth and and like he's not done yet Anyway, he goes up finally I kind of agree with Disco Devil. Tell you the truth. And like he's not done yet. Anyway, he goes up. Finally, I would be remiss if I did not point out that your ears will not be murdered by

faux opera singing on this. After I drafted up this review, I saw that Metal Hammer had reviewed this and gave it nine out of 10 stars. I was relieved, but at the same time felt a little less special guard against that feeling. If everyone in the world loved metal, would you hate it? That would be a sad comment on existence, but such abstract questions need not trouble us. This is a marginalized art form that should be hailed with as much fanfare as

classical music was in ages past with its patrons, Kings and Queens. So that is disco devil's review of, uh, an album that, that a lot of people don't like. We also got a two-star review so we can hear the other side of this. I did like the Disco Devil at the very end kind of gave away the game. Like, okay. Yes, I am being contrarian here and it pisses me off that somebody else gave us a good review. It's like somebody else ought to be contrarian and that's bullshit He this guy goes crossing the line in 2011 T amount would not be pleased I'm not sure what happened to morbid angel I'm a fan since alters of madness and was looking forward to this

Especially after hearing nevermore on YouTube for the last 26 years, but this is a severe disappointment I actually like some of the more experimental stuff on past albums But this but the stuff that appears on here is just too not good, too extreme. Are they too extreme to start a side project where David Vinson can spout his moronic lyrics over rapper techno beats and not tarnish the name? I can almost see the moron cast of Jersey Shore beating back the beat to this song. Oh shit. So he's thinking this is fucking straight up music for the situation to groove to.

All right. You're in a club on Jersey Shore. I mean, yeah, this is pretty much Cascada, right? He goes to this song, the Mars attack song, seriously? I know Trey is a video game anime nerd and so am I, but I wouldn't write a song about it. Oh, come on. That's not fair. It's like I would hide my interests. But that's, this is, this person does like, that's a pretty normal thing to do if you're

in a band and you have a distinct sound and then you want to like, you know, you do a side project, right? Like, like number of members of the band still, you know, you just do it as a side project. That is a good point. I don't think that there's any reason maybe not to do that unless you want to completely change genres altogether, you know? So Trey did have a side project with his ex-wife. It was called the Genitortures. You remember that one? Oh, I do know the Genitortures. I've never seen them, but I do know the name, the Genitorture. Was that straight death metal or was it?

No, that was a lot closer to like electronic stuff, industrial. I see. So it's clearly, it's him. He's the driving force. Like he wants to make that type of music, clearly. There's been a lot of speculation over the years. We're not sure entirely still. Let's go to Quora.

Here's a question. I don't know if he goes, how can one attend metal concerts without feeling terrified all the time? I would say maybe like anxiety medication or TV therapy or something like that. Perhaps I'm not really. Try going to your first one. Yeah. Just try going to one.

You don't want to not be terrified. I mean, this reeks of somebody who actually went to one and was terrified the whole time. Yeah, that's true. Maybe they did go to their one and they had a bad experience. I mean, I don't think I've ever, yeah, I've never really been terrified. Maybe the mosh pit, I guess, can be a little bit intimidating for people. If you're like close to it and seeing that type of like. Seeing like violence or like aggression at that, you know, that could be a

little bit scary for people, I guess. I'm mashed when I was 110 pound wirely, wirely little freak and it was fun, but it was, it would get kind of scary. You know, like my daughter was talking about the recent chapel Rome concert where that, that audience and Lollapalooza, have you seen those aerial pictures of that? It's crazy. It's the most people you've ever seen. So I was like, I was kind of in that city. She said her friends were there and they're like, it felt like I was going to suffocate. There was just so many people. It was crazy. And I're like, it felt like I was going to suffocate there. It was just so many people. It was crazy. And I was like, I was, I was in a thing like that.

And it is scary. Cause when I went to Woodstock 99 and I was at the front of the pit, when Limp Bizkit started playing break stuff, I took off running as fast as I could to get the fuck out of cause when you watch it, it's so scary to see. So I couldn't see somebody maybe, but at small shows. Yeah. Bigger shows that you get crushed. Yeah. At small shows, you can literally stand right on the outside,

and you might get pushed or something every once in a while. But Brian, you're speaking from your perspective, and so you wouldn't feel that way. I'm powerful. Yeah. Some people don't like seeing the aggression and violence, like, you know, in their close proximity. But yeah, I don't, I think maybe a death metal show might not be the place for you if that's-

Well, it goes, you could try not judging metal audiences. There's that. In my experience, and as someone who is delicately framed, metal peeps do their honest best to protect me in the pit. If you're at a concert where this is not the case, you maybe need to rethink your fandom metalheads are total gentlemen. Well, I don't know about that. I don't know. That's like the people who's like my pit bulls never bit anybody, you

know, like that doesn't mean that they're all safe. Yeah, they're very much gentlemen in the like 2009 Reddit sense. My lady, lady, a lot of the chive sense in the like 2009 Reddit sense. Yes. My lady. My lady. It's not in the Chive sense. In the Chive sense. Yeah. I've talked about this.

I haven't been to a death metal show. So Joe, this is a great question for you. What's the, I've been to, okay, so I'm going to throw Woodstock 99 out of this because that's not fair. The smelliest concert I've ever been to in my life was a mastodon concert. And I wonder it smelled like somebody actually took a poop in their pants down at a like literally like, you know, the difference between farts and poop. This guy didn't fart. It was like actual it smelled like poop. And I just was wondering, is the death metal audience maybe gentlemen in a way that they they smell not like poop? Maybe?

It really does vary. I've been to some death metal shows where, you know, folks were fine. Nobody was, you know, super embarrassing and it didn't smell bad. But I've also, the most of the smelliest show I've ever been to, and again, this isn't necessarily because somebody pooped their pants. It's because it was in a warehouse in the middle of August in Texas with no like AC or anything. And everybody just smelled like unwashed ass. Yeah.

So like, who was that? Who was performing? So that was a part of a festival which Bolt Thrower played their last performance ever there. So I get to rub, you know, rub my death metal cred and other nerds faces over that one. That's like when I say I went to Woodstock 99, Joe. It's like, yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. You like Limp Bizkit? Did you like him enough to drive a few states over and go to a disastrous festival to see him? That corn was great there. Back corn set and that Limp Bizkit set to the best set you'll ever see. I doubt that. But the smelliest place I ever went to is TwitchCon.

I've said that many times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to go there too. The corn was intensely smelly. I don't think it's like the year I went to was just everyone was packed in really tight and stuff. We're going to have to get Chris a visa, which we're going to start working on. And then next year we'll go to Twitch Twitch crop.

Yeah, well, I can go to TwitchCon. I don't need a visa. No, but we'll go there and we'll do a show and oh, yeah, smell it. You know, here's another question from Quora. Why is death metal not popular? I mean, I could. Here's the thing. I could 100 percent tell you why, because it's very inaccessible music.

Yes. Well, I don't know. Yeah. Like it was weird. I tried to show my mom Clit Eater and she just was not into it at all. She didn't appreciate the racist overtones with the Confederate flag. Yeah, she was. She was all of the shash. Yeah, she had no problem with the name whatsoever. I'm sad that Clit Eater has the racist over time.

That like kind of made me a little sad because you want Clit Eater to be. Yeah, good. You want them to actually be teaching you how to eat a clip. We have you lick a clip. You want you do this. I I I I. What the fuck are you doing? Don't do that.

Oh, this guy goes mainly because most people don't understand it. People tend to gravitate to what they understand. And death metal is so misunderstood. It's almost offensive. Heavy metal in and of itself is very misunderstood. Genre music is very heavy. It's loud. And on the surface, at least appears very inane and noisy. I think they mean insane and noisy, but that is far from the truth. Heavy metal

is a very deep genre of music and completes very talented or and combines very talented use of musical art along with lyrical talent. And in some cases, poetic meaning heavy metal is deep in the sense that it appeals to that raw primal instinct, but the lyrics are usually very meaningful and deep. Behind every angry song, there's some sort of positive message. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. I'm going to say that's not true. I'm going to say maybe some of them,

but I'm going to say some of the people writing those songs are just writing songs, writing words down that they think sound cool and, you know, badass and shit. And also writing nasty songs. I can't really think of any metal with a positive message. Sorry. I think there was their power trip. I thought got close. If not us, then who?

You know, that was that was a cool one. But again, power trip was, you know, a little bit closer to punk than metal. And the best metal. I think they honestly best metal band in the last like 20 years. I agree. I saw them at a club with maybe 40 people in 2012, I want to say one of their first shows and I was immediately like, oh, this is the greatest band that's ever been. They were so good. I, we, I, I, at the risk of sounding like man cow, I think we were the last people to interview Riley before he died.

And I'm always just like, man, that guy was so nice and cool and he made the best music ever. Uh, let's go. Maybe someone else interviewed him. Just don't, I mean, I just know I'm not saying we're the last one. We're one of the last, because don't, don't look, why did you just cow that situation? You're like, I don't want to sound like man. You didn't know it because he wasn't like I could see the life leaving his eyes. That would have been no, no, no, no. Yeah, I wasn't man cow.

He found that 100 percent. And Brian, by the way, you sent me one recently. Can you what was the one that you said? Oh, man. You have had a yeah, there's a there's a more there's a recent one where man cow is claimed to be the last person to talk to someone. Which, by the way, Brian, I looked it up. Absolutely. This one's verifiable because he claimed to be, no, it's not true. It's a hundred percent not true. It's a lie. I found out it's a lie.

He goes, I was just telling my, so this person posts, I remember when man cow had Scott Weiland on a show and when they were talking about the song, interstate love song, man cow asked, did you sing feeling like a ham and mustard shake scott laughed for that's a bad joke and then what i tried to do was do that feeling like a ham and so it doesn't even fit you know what i mean yeah yeah you know he gave him like a polite laugh yeah a ham and mustard shape feeling. I thought he was doing the chorus and man cow goes, I was just telling my wife about that and how I did the last interview with Scott and it was so sad because I knew he'd be dead soon. He had the death rattle. So he's claiming he heard him have the death rattle. Like the death rattle is like the last thing the last thing the last comes out of your mouth like the last audible sound you make before you die like moments before

like the other thing i do aside from talk about metal is i'm an er nurse so i can tell you what happens when somebody's dying and it's not politely laughing at your bad joke I can tell you what happens when somebody's dying and it's not politely laughing at your bad joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had interviews afterwards. I looked it up. I found the actual last interview. It's documented his last interview. Did you find Man Cow's interview? No, it wasn't with Man Cow. That's what I'm saying. There's no mention of the Man Cow thing. It's just the last interview is Yeah, is a different interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm gonna do one last thing here

before we get out of here. This person asked on the subreddit, what have you seen or experienced really strange during a metal concert or festival? This is from r slash death metal. Now I've seen this, this guy, the death metal guy, some face sitting during the autopsy set at Milwaukee death fest now I've seen that there's video of that somebody sent it

to me yesterday and there is a lady sitting on a guy's face in the mosh pit and he's just eating the fuck out of her pussy it's crazy super nasty it is a weird place to do it I'm gonna tell you, I, you're in a blazing hot parking lot with people that haven't showered in days, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was going to town. That's admirable. He was going to town. He wasn't complaining or nothing. You know what I mean? Um, he goes, this, this person goes, uh, um, I saw two dudes crouched in a pit playing Yu-Gi-Oh right before Bandit started playing. Pretty sure there's a pic of that circulating around too. So guys playing Yu-Gi-Oh.

I kind of don't like that one because I don't know when it happened. I feel like nowadays people do shit like that to try it. You know what I mean? They're like, I'm going to go to this thing. I'm going to do something you wouldn't expect me to do, you know, and like try to get a viral photo or whatever. I mean, you can say what you want about me, but I'm probably going to eat pussy before I play Yu-Gi-Oh!

in the day of the week. I know you. Yeah, you are. Don't clip that. I'm going to eat pussy. Do you eat, Brian, do you eat pussy? What do you think? I don't know. I'm just saying. He's going to get his finger through.

Are you not to be too vulgar but do you do I like it is clear I Go crazy on a pussy. He don't Ryan strikes again And no respect man big respect big respect a little I don't know that you should yeah You probably shouldn't talk about it, you know That means you shouldn't talk about it just cuz your wife is I shouldn't have even asked it was kind of rude You know rude that's okay This guy goes in static X and download UK some guy wandered past with the Tesco bag that was buzzing moments later There were wasps everywhere that motherfucker. I loved a wasp nest into the mosh pit. Now. This is true

There is video verifying that somebody threw a wasp nest in a mosh pit, and it looks terrifying. There's so many wasps. That's a very rude thing to do, I think. I said that I a couple of years ago when I went to the gathering of the jugalos, I said the same thing like people bring fireworks in and they shoot them at the fucking stage. And it's like it's not just ICP playing at this fucking thing. Like people bring fireworks in and they shoot them at the fucking stage. And it's like, it's not just ICP playing at this fucking thing. They were shooting them at fucking kid and play. Those guys are like 50, you know, those guys are probably pushing

60. They're up there trying to do their fun little ain't going to hurt nobody show. And guys are shooting fucking bottle rockets at. So would everybody think, is there anybody who would be like, Oh, fuck, yeah. When that when that be, you know, when the fucking wasp. I think all of them were. I think all of them. That's what I'm saying. Like in the moment, like it's a bad thing to do. But like at a death metal show, are people so hyped up and into it that they're kind of like, this is so fucking hardcore and they actually like it. I can't imagine being in that moment surrounded by stinging angry wasps and thinking like,

ah, this is cool. The thing that I like is clearly rewarding me for liking it. Yeah, you don't think that people would be like super pumped on, nobody would be pumped on it, you don't think? I don't think so, man. I think it's a story. Sometimes you gotta think about like, I think you could be, I just pumped on it. You don't think I don't think so, man. I think it's a story. Sometimes you got to think about like, I think you could be, you can, I just

thought about it, you could get, you could get hurt or be allergic to it as well. And then they get like, it could be a real serious thing, you know? Yeah. It would be a funny thing to tell people though. It is funny. I agree. I agree. It's definitely funny.

And like in hindsight, it's funny in the moment. No, I imagine everybody's actually pretty pissed off. I'd be mad. This person like, it's like when you go to a back and down I don't think this happens as much anymore But you go to a metal show and somebody brings stink bombs and you're like, why'd you bring stink bombs? Why'd you do that? Now you just ruin everybody's time I used to have it all the time at the skating rink when I was a kid when we would go a guy would bring

Stink bombs and it's just like great. Now the whole place smells like shit. Uh, this guy goes, somebody threw a dead rat on stage when I saw full of hell a week, a few weeks ago, also went to an origin show where the lead singer did a stage dive and got back on stage with a dislocated middle finger. It was bending like a solid 90 degrees. He popped it back in and they kept playing the show. I mean, okay. I mean, okay. I mean

He's not a guitar player Yeah, yeah, he doesn't need his finger. Yeah this uh Yeah, yeah, this is it's this guy goes didn't see it But apparently a girl got ate out during an autopsy pit at Milwaukee death fest when I was there and then this guy responses Goes pretty sure that was the same chick who pissed on a dude. I think I got picked safe somewhere. Um, so he, that guy has the pictures of it. So, and finally we've got two more here. Singer of Morbo Sadaf lit a Bible on fire, threw it into the crowd and we treated it like a beach ball at a grateful dead concert, knocking it into the air as long as we could. Good, unholy, wholesome

fun. I don't think that I don't, I, I, I don't believe that because it just physics, it doesn't, the beach ball works because it floats up and it has and says you can't be hitting that Bible. It would, it would hit the ground almost immediately. I feel like Joe, I have a suggestion though for the next time you go to a big festival, can you dump, dunk a beach ball and gasoline and throw it up? It won't burn forever and people can hit it to be a big fireball. Sure. I mean, I could see that being fun. I suppose. I don't know the logistics involved in this.

I don't know who's going to let me bring in a bunch of gasoline to a festival. That is usually a problem when you're trying to get your gasoline into. I would say that I would say that pretty much everybody will let you bring that gasoline on account of the gun that you're going to bring with you. Finally, this guy goes, I think it was a hex and throwing blood and dead rats at the audience. The room was super hot, so it started stinking real bad soon.

That's that's yeah, that's again. It's like, yeah, man, this is fucking this is so fucking grimey. So nasty and shit. But it's like, yeah, in the moment, it's smelly, disgusting, bloody dead rats. And it's pretty nasty. For some reason. Now we go circle playing with circus Mundus absurdist, lots of stretched genitals and pierced nipples and a circular saw. So I don't know if you know that band, Joe, but I wasn't familiar with them doing, I guess, the pain Olympics at origin shows or circle and spell goth doing his usual CBT act on stage. And for you people that think it's cognitive behavioral therapy, it's not,

it's not. It's a much better. It's a much better thing for your psyche. Joe, I want to thank you for doing this. I'm glad you came on the show. We had, we had an expert and your website fucking rules. It's, it's the best metal site because it's, it's funny. It's not like the serious ones. We suck. I appreciate you having me on. If folks for some reason want to hear like 500 episodes about metal guys specifically, that's my show. It's Toilet of Hell or Toilet Radio, whatever.

It's out there. Toilet Radio is a great name by the way. Toilet OV Hell. So check it out. It's good. Joe's good. We're Murder X. I'm murder X Brian on Patreon. So patreon.com slash murder X Brian. You'll find more me and Chris. Uh, recent, I mean recently did a too hot for Twitch stream. So, uh, and it was very good. And you know,

bunny showed us all of her dildos and stuff. I think you'd really like it and we'll be in Vancouver on October 11th, 12th. Go to bit.ly slash top the number three weekend to get tickets and come and see it. We're great. We'll see you all next week. Goodbye. Bye. All right.