Guys: With Bryan Quinby - Guys: Episode 95 - HxC Guys with Brace Belden

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Brace is back!! We talked about a million topics and always came back to hardcore music. We talked about crowdkilling, moshing, Brace's gun, punk houses, and bad shirts. Brace does a lecture on what is good hardcore and if you are mad about it please contact Brace. There were also several lies told about me Brace does Trueanon and is also an all around good dude There is much more Chris at twitter.com/thecjs and of course https://www.patreon.com/notevenashow And for more Guys content, streams and SHOCKTOBER: a deep dive into shock jocks you can click patreon.com/guyspodcast twitter.com/murderxbryan and  https://bsky.app/profile/murderxbryan.bsky.social  Guys is on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/guys.pod Guys has a Post Office Box now! PO Box 10769 Columbus Ohio 43201

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys. I'm Brian with me is the tourist, Chris James. Hmm. So, yeah, I don't know that. I don't know. I'm Brian with me is the tourist Chris James hmm so yeah I don't know that I don't know I'm on the scene I'm in the scene like doing stuff and hanging out with bands like the Cro-Mags and braces wearing a Cro-Mag shirt I want a sick Cro-Mag shirt it's so heavily screen printed or make your nipples bleed I have one of those I have a fucking typo shirt. It's so heavily screen printed or make your nipples bleed. I have one of those. I have a fucking typo negative one.

That's like that. It frankly sucks to wear. But I want to give a free view to the company that made the typo negative shirt because they just basically laid a big flat. It feels like there's a rubber like the whole front of the shirt is made out of rubber. Yeah, but I still wear all the time.

I know you're gonna rep the rep the problematic bands that we love your shirt right now just as an upset on pineapple on is that no it's got Godzilla on it. Okay. Yeah, I wear a lot of Godzilla shirts, but sick. Yeah, I have the I have the I have the corn adidas shirts. I don't have any band shirts anymore, but that type of negative shirt is just the most uncomfortable thing I've ever worn. And it's from a website that takes heavy metal bands and puts their logos on like hockey jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I can't wear a hockey jersey. I'm not Kevin Smith. I think you could.

And I think you are. No, I did. I did used to wear a Mighty Ducks jersey when I was in high school. I like the movie. People might wonder what hardcore is. And I saw this. I think some people know, like, obviously, hardcore is a lot different. And obviously, with this podcast, people are immediately going to hardcore sex hardcore pornography No, because I'm gonna make it be H X C guys and oh

Okay, well I you know to To add to what Chris is saying there there are a lot of different kinds of hardcore and frankly most of them stink Brian I know that you're more open-minded than me in basically every way, especially sexually, but. No, I'm not. The amount of like, when I was younger and I was really into hardcore, like really into hardcore, but I was basically only into music that was made between like 1979 to like 1986.

But what I would say to people that like, oh, what kind of music you like a big hardcore. They thought I meant things that were, in fact, completely the opposite of what I actually. Let me let me tell you. Let's say that's tough. Let me name a few. OK, banana bandana thrash, Christian hardcore crossover thrash,

crunk or cross punk, DB, deathcore, digital hardcore, easycore, emo, electronic core, grindcore, heavy hardcore, jazzcorepunk, DB, deathcore, digital hardcore, easycore, emo, electroniccore, grindcore, heavy hardcore, jazzcore, krishnacore, mathcore, melodic hardcore, melodic metalcore, metalcore, nardcore, nintendocore, new metalcore, positive hardcore, post-hardcore, power violence, progressive metalcore, queercore, rapcore, sass, Screamo, Skawcore, Thrashcore. So that's the hardcore genres, if you were wondering. Well, I feel like there's 80s hardcore as a singular genre itself. Isn't that because, okay, this is what being in a hardcore thing is, I've noticed.

So we say Chromags. They're crossover. Their first two albums are hardcore Or first album is like just a straight-up 80s hardcore album But later it's more metal influenced and crossover, which is I don't really like crossover I'm more amenable to crossover bands and I like some crossover bands But I interestingly enough because crossover is a crossover between hardcore punk and thrash metal, I like bands that come from the more metal

edge of that to hardcore, as opposed to hardcore to metal, because they're usually better musicians. But I don't like heavy metal that much. But you do like, oh fuck, I forgot the name of the band, Biohazard, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't, well, no, not really, frankly. I hate breed. I've seen hate breed. Oh, really?

Are they good? I mean, I read that they're good. You know, I don't think so, but I think other people think so. I think many other people think so and I recognize that at this juncture in time The kind of hardcore I like is very much not what people think of when they think of hardcore And it's all canceled to it's what is 80s hardcore. I mean every band that you like is canceled. That is true That is what I like a variety of things. Is it that's a bunch of different things I know but I know because I got into like typo negative like during the pandemic

And I then you know, I was like, I really like this man. This is pretty good And then people are like, uh, you ever heard the things Peter Steele said and I'm like, you know what? He's dead He's not gonna say any more racist stuff. You have a 10 inch penis. It's a big penis. It's actually on my wall Really very big penis. It's actually on my wall. Really? Very big penis. I look at it every day. Um, yeah, I have a Peter Steele, uh, blanket with his big penis there. But yeah, he was in Playgirl, but like he said some pretty nasty stuff.

Like he was a conservative guy. All those New York guys were like these, they weren't like Reagan guys or anything, but they like beat the crap out of each other and and kind of had bad opinions on What can you tell me a band that is like a hardcore band that I would know minor threat? Yeah, mine is a black flag a black flag. Okay black flag I do I know my threat but like I don't know their music where black right there what we said by her threat I mean no, I was gonna blank stare. I noticed. I didn't I didn't know what I didn't I had never heard their music before I got I got however with black flag. There's a caveat because they were a hardcore band in fact, I would say that they are the the

like the platonic ideal of a hardcore band for quite a while. However, a massive shift in their music happened after the beginning of my war, slip it in, and then they eventually ended up as a Grateful Dead style like noodle band with no vocals and now they're back. Greg Ginn, the guitarist, is one of the most insane people in history. Like he's a freak and now they're guitarist, is one of the most insane people in history. Like, he's a freak. And now they're back, like, with one of the worst album covers of all time. Chris, do you have a screen?

Can you type into something? Look something up? I could get a hold of the screen pretty quick here, yeah. I want you to Google Black Flag and then what the... Oh, that's the name of it? This is the reunion album. Black Flag. What the... It is the worst album cover of it. This is the reunion album. Black Flag. What the?

It is the worst album cover of all time. And this is a band who is famous for having the best art of any other albums because they were all done by the famous artist Raymond Pettibone, who is Greg Ginn's brother. However, a falling out occurred between the two brothers. I didn't believe that would happen in this. I know. It looks like some kind of adult swim, kind of like after hours.

It looks like a gushers. Yeah, it looks like a gushers. Yeah, it's really bad. Well, I'll go into this now because I do have a thread on R slash hardcore about, you said that they had a falling out and I wanted to I wanted to talk about the band turnstile which is a yeah 2010 hardcore band they've been around for a while they release an album very commercially successful now that's not against the rules I mean it kind kinda is. They hate it when a thing is commercially successful.

But they then sold one of their songs to Taco Bell. Which that... That's not good. Yeah, but honestly I do love when the bands are just like considered like a sellout band just because they were successful. You know? Like, oh you sold them out. So you sold out. We just made an album and people bought it. But yeah, selling a song to Taco Bell, I think is kind of selling out actually. I mean, there is one genre of music where you're not allowed to do that. And it's this one. There isn't any other kind of music where like Korn could sell their song to fucking an insurance company, it wouldn't matter.

No, they haven't. They haven't done that. They are doing the thing with Adidas, which is kind of no. You're right. You're right. Like it's hardcore is it's funny because I think that ethos stems from like punk or hardcore it was in like the the 70s and 80s which like Was unpopular was popular in some ways, but like unpopular in many other ways culture was like it was a counterculture like

Frankly, like it's not really counterculture anymore Like it is a little bit and there's certainly like a lot of anti-social personalities involved in it But it's not like a new like cutting-edge thing anymore And so I I still think selling out is wrong. I wouldn't sell out I do look down upon people that sell out but I would turn style is like First of all, they're like not a hardcore band like they're kind of Is like first of all they're like not a hardcore band like they're kind of Can we play some of this music I mean can you just like pull up and like I would love to hear a little bit of the music so I could

Singing is the problem with turnstile right? Yeah, and you know the drummer is the brother of Lee fang About that I did hear that that is so fucking But yeah, I would say that like there's no other genre of music in the world where you you cannot do There's no other genre music in the world where it's wrong to sell your stuff I mean punk punk is kind of is that like it's wrong to sell your stuff. I mean, punk, I guess, but punk is kind of is that like, I mean, the funny thing about punk is like the most famous punk band,

which was the Sex Pistols, was like selling out from the beginning. Like their whole thing was like we're going to not selling out, but like playing giant places going on TV, like things that would now kind of be seen as selling out. Well, and I would also say this about about like The early bands the the minor threat or you know, yeah nobody was gonna offer them any money Well, I will say I will say I love minor threat. I do not like fugazi. I do not like me neither

I do I think they're bad, but but but but fucking Ian McKay and I think the other guys, but, but, but, but, fucking Ian McKay and I think the other guys in Fugazi, whose names I can't fucking remember, they have never sold out. Like they don't make, I don't even know if they make merch. All their shows are like five bucks

and they won't do reunion shows because they can't like, I can't remember why, but there was some like- Because of Live Nation, probably. Probably. It's hard to book venues big enough for them to do a Fugazi tour. Yes, yes, and so I respect that. I respect that a lot. It's hard to book venues big enough for them to do a fugazi that yes. Yes. And so I, uh, I respect that.

I respect that a lot. I mean, I'm just saying like some of that ethos in the seventies and eighties was because nobody was offering them money. You'd be curious to know if Taco bell came waltzing into the scene and offered SSD control some money, You know what I mean? Well, Henry Rollins, Henry Rollins, Black Flag is like the biggest sellout ever. I mean, he is. Have you seen his commercial for LAX?

Yes. Have you seen his TV show called like America's Book of Secrets on his channel? He goes around and like looks at American artifacts. Like he's like, this is I'm in the White House basement And here's a gift that like somebody Have you seen his have you seen Henry Rollins stand-up comedy special live in Israel? You made that up. I did not make that up made that up raised. I did not make that up Made that up braised. I did not make that up

It's so like the 90s I think early 2000s maybe but it is real my brother listen, okay we can listen it I don't necessarily agree with but what were the punch like what were the punch lines? It's not how many bad is comedy is bad. He makes broke. He makes Rogan look like kinch cliff. Yeah His comedy is bad. He makes rogue. He makes Rogan look like Hinchcliffe. Yeah Brian loves Tony Hinchcliffe. That's Chris. It loves I hate Hinchcliffe, but I love the program kill Tony I watch it all the time and so I'm a big kill Tony head So I'm Joe Rogan goes on kill Tony and he bombs so hard. It's so wild. He'll be like a stadium full of people and he's just laying down like line after line. He's getting nothing. And they love him and they love him. He owns the club that they do it and he's the owner of it. Yeah. And they still just, they can't even muster up a chuckle for some of these things I know because he's such a bulbous individual

So I think you'd think when he walked out they just thought if I saw a guy look out on the street I'd start chuckling. You know yeah, yeah Look at this be cup dwarf here If you fuck Rogan I think that counts as an alternative sexuality because the the intersection will say of fetishes that you have to possess in order to get either a You know horny vagina or penis and fuck Rogan are so absurd and so arcane and obscure That frankly you might have a Brian style like fetish

Stew within that well, I don't have a fetish stew, but well you I don't have a appreciate you by the way brace I've been getting a lot of notes about you sort of you know bringing awareness to Brian and his lifestyle on your podcast which is quite a bit I'm just saying the the the, and it's, yeah, I Brian, I saw your tweet about that. And I got to tell you, I've said it like three or four times. A hundred percent. There's people that think it happened. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So I took a look, you know, r slash hardcore. I went there and I looked up a section that the brace will know from years ago that I'm very fascinated with. And that is, uh, tips for starting a punk house. Oh, I'm thinking of starting a punk house, but right now I only have myself and one other person who's interested.

How do I get the word out? Get more people who are willing to move in. Just the two of us couldn't afford the rent alone and so on. What should I keep in mind in picking a place? What else should I know? Also, what's the coolest house name you've ever heard? Now, I'm fascinated with punk houses because it seems like hell.

Like, I would rather die than sleep in a punk house. Brian, let me tell you this. 2004, I'm a runaway. I'm staying at a punk house called the hole Not a great name not like enticing name. Oh no off of Ocean Avenue In one room. I think there was four guys who live there to there's like sliding glass door closets one two of them Two guys slept in those closets guys slept in those closets. They lived in those closets. And I think there was one main guy in the room. In the other room, someone had just had their own bedroom.

And then I lived on the couch in the living room. And there was someone else that lived there too. I don't really remember exactly. Was the own bedroom guy, was he like the alpha? I would say quite the opposite. I mean, it was definitely his house But there's another guy that lived there to his Asian dude that lives there. I can't remember But the guy who lived in though, I don't remember he was not an alpha

But I don't remember his name just like money guy right he's any does not I with the money gets the bedroom I'm gonna be honest. I don't know if any of you guys had money I think it sounds like a five-hour month place and everyone's paying like a hundred bucks But I lost my virginity in that bedroom and to a shaved head. I think she had a shaved head Yeah, she did have a shaved head and All of my fucking friends were pounding on the door on the outside yelling price illusion of virginity price illusion of virginity and like And it was so and I just remember being like

I'm a, I have no home, I'm homeless I'm in, losing my virginity but not coming I like faking it, because I was so nervous And I live at the hole I have no money, I subsist on barf bags from 7-Eleven And I was just like, it was like a moment of clarity where like an older self reached back in time and was like, Brace, this actually, this sucks.

This sucks. This sucks. Me and you have so much in common, because I've talked about this before, when I lost my virginity, the girl's boyfriend was banging on the door and my brother was like. What? Wait, what do you call me? My brother and a couple of my friends were like, Boyfriend was banging on the door and my brother

Wait my brother and a couple of my friends were like get the fuck back and like kind of guarding the door because he was Out there crying and banging on the door. Oh fuck dude. That's like I'm really twisted-ass Still having sex having sex with The fat teardrops not yet the fat teardrops like pounding on the floor like like heavy footsteps of like booted feet His name I would like to humanize You are the Progenitor of a like traumatic incident in this

Argenitor of a like traumatic incident in this young man's life. That's not my fault 100% I didn't know anything his name was Kevin and I used to hang out with him sometimes Yeah, also a few times even after you betrayed him or this was after you saw him. Okay, let me explain this I was at school. Please explain the situation to us. This happened in school? No, no, no, no, no, this didn't happen at school This happened at a guy named Dennis's house whose dad worked overnight and said we can come over there and we can smoke weed in the house, but no cigarettes. Dirty Dennis. Yeah. Well, yeah, you can call him Dirty Dennis. That's what I'm calling him.

This house was a place where we all went on Friday night. Everybody would just go there, kind of party. We kind of respected it, keep it clean, but we'd smoke a bunch of weed in there. One day when I was in like, I would have been in 10th grade and lunch, she sent her friend over and was like, and she wants to have sex with you. And I was like, okay. And uh, that, then we went to the house and we went in the room and we were going to have set. We were in there doing the thing. Oh, we're doing kissing and stuff like probably Heavy patty my brother I think we know what Brian was Like two or three oh You're a breastfeeder, huh? Oh I don't

Breastfeeder huh? Oh, yeah, I know I don't This before I don't love to do that. Yeah, you actually it's coming up on. It's actually out already on the page Yeah, yeah, I'm not either. It's just what I did cuz you know what I think That's what I'm thinking It makes me feel like a it's not like a masculine like less of a man But it's like less of a man in that I'm now a baby and like I can't I can't rock with that cuz I'm already wearing the diaper Yeah, well my brother was like I didn't hear a lot I heard some pounding on the door, but that was it

But I just kind of thought it was somebody coming in and then my brother and a couple of my friends Sean and Nate Porn oh Sean porno Sean yes, and Nate. We're like this guy's trying to get in a fucking room He's pissed off at you. He's kind of crying out here No after I got done, and I was like well nothing fucking do about it and left way just left the house That was the whole thing wasn't like a big Were you named were you? Name of Kweeber at that yeah, yeah, well that would have been so you were going by Kweeber Did you by chance have the braided hair in front of your eyes at that point? Maybe I did yeah

That would be a time where I would have had the braided hair. Yeah You know could you pull the photo up just to show part of Ryan when you were when you were like? Exerting yourself heavily during your lovemaking were you like like sort of blowing the hair out of your eyes The brain the front braid was bouncing on your forehead like a pendulum. If you, Brian, you gotta tell people what to Google so they can look this up while they're making. Have you ever had cornrows? No, I wanted them.

I couldn't get them because my hair was never, my hair was never like thick, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, the idea of, I just love the idea of like quiber like this angie girl being like She thought she was into me. I have to get quiber. You know with the braids I got Chris imagine the rumors at school angie fucked quiber Hey, I heard about hardcore guys. I heard angieweeber last night. I was a new metal guy.

I can only get you this. Hey, the Kweeb lost his virginity. That's you? No, that's the hairdo I had. I know it's really small, but that's the hairdo I had. Anyway, you can look up the man guys episode and it's there. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it wasn't, I wasn't intentionally like bullying a guy.

I actually had no idea that we're dating. So, so for putting a punk house together, uh, the guy, the main guy, Chris, I want you to get the idea for this. Cause it seems like I've always said, it seems like the worst possible way to live. Your life. Yeah. It goes, the guy, this guy goes, put a padlock on your door. You'll only be able to afford a keg once it's Natty ice and

reservation cigarettes from here on out. Bob know your rights with the police. Everything that isn't nailed down will eventually be stolen. Never leave a pack of cigarettes out unless you don't want them anymore. Fleas will rapidly transfer from dog to human and vice versa. Your landlord will eventually get tired of your shit and, uh, and your landlord and do it, you'll have to do an evict miss pride party in which you render what was once your home and unsafe structure.

He goes, eat food, not just booze. Uh, so there's a lot of like, get a hair trap for the shower drain, get a 55 gallon trash can for beer, for beer cans. And the next rules are, if you make a mess, clean it up. Which, Bryce, do they follow that rule? They do not follow that rule. That was, that was, uh. Also, I don't know if you noticed, I disconnected for a sec by accident. So, I hope that doesn't fuck the recording up. No, it's good. I don't know if you notice I disconnected for a sec by accident So I hope that doesn't fuck the recording up, but let's keep it pushing. Yeah

Also, just sorry the first thing that they said was get a padlock for your door Like if that's the first rule of a thing then I'm gonna look elsewhere. Well, I'm gonna look elsewhere though personally Get a thick door Get a thick door. That's what the guy said Fucking idiots are putting in a new door door door fucking idiots pretty new I would say I've been in a lot of punk houses all across this great nation

and I would say there's actually usually less doors than in the average house because people have broken them. A punk house is just where like the most juvenile fucking morons you know live in filth and squalor and like pretend for some reason That that is what they have to do in order to listen to like a certain kind of rock and roll music It is crazy to me. I've never except when I was 14

I've and I stayed at one when I was a runaway I've never lived in a punk house because even from an early age I was like these seem a punk house is just a regular house But grosser and like now nastier and smells and like I've always lived with with you know Big fans of of like rock and roll music or I did when I was younger But guess what we just lived in normal apartments. It's good. It's smart cuz I was there was one in yeah Yeah, there was one here called. There was one here called Legion of Doom and I used to I used to walk by it

like on one of my regular wall. I know about that place. You can smell it from the street like from the sidewalk. You can smell the house smell like dogs and BO. So, there's a thing that happens at these shows called Crowd Killing. I don't know if this happens at things you go to, right? No, no, that's not that. This is like a more like heavy. It's new. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To do with moshing. Is this no, no, no, it's a reference. It's a reference to the Bataclan

massacre in Paris by ISIS. No, it is when at a hardcore or metaphor show, someone hardcore dances along the border of the mosh pit with the intent of hitting the people that are not moshing. Crowd killers apparently believe that it's not hardcore to not participate in dancing when at hardcore shows. Ironically, crowd killer toughness is questionable. It would be socially unacceptable for a

member of the crowd who hasn't been hardcore dancing to begin throwing kicks, punches, etc. And defense when approached by crowd killers as they frequently hit unsuspecting crowd members. So I looked at a thread about crowds telling that you're you have a keen interest in Brian, this is basically stranger attacks. I know it's dancing. It's the's dancing. It's the knockout. It's the knockout.

It's not a stranger. It's dancing, but it is. I hate them too. I hate that too. If I'm not, we're going to read a thread about this where my feelings are very, I'm pretty conservative about it. I think you should have to stay. I think you should have to just stay in the pit.

You don't hit people that just stay in the pit. You don't hit people that aren't in the pit. That's my rules. That's the rules at a corn concert. Okay, I could listen. I know you're pretty conservative, but at the end of the day, I think that you show up at a hardcore show. You better be ready to get punched in the face kicked in the

guy, you know, job, bro. Somebody tried to punch me. Like if I was standing there watching like some horrible like, like chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga kind of band, and then some like freak who's like, it's not hardcore if you're not my, he was like, because they do,

is that where the floor punching happens, Brian? Yeah, we gotta shoot things. See, that was crazy, and so if someone was floor punching in front of me, guess what I would do? I would call the police and say that I saw a gun in their belt and then I heard them muttering about Botoclon and I'm like you gotta take this fucking cocksucker out I would I would leave yeah, I would absolutely leave it I would call security and say that the guy touched my penis like that

Yeah, well they don't care about that a lot in the hardcore That's that's true. That is true those videos where Guys are like moshing, but it's they're just punching It's all you can't just be like I'm at a concert so now I'm gonna start assaulting About to get the other side of this Okay, that goes I love fucking around as much as the next guy. But what's the actual like thing to do when some guy just won't stop kicking the shit out of you?

Just whale on him back if he's got buddies who kick the shit out of people that shove back, what's the move there? Been to a few shows with this crew that just love swinging their boots into my face. And I'm getting a wee bit sick of it. So this guy has gone to several shows and gotten his ass fucking beat every time. And he's in the right here and he's done nothing wrong. But when he comes in post about he sounds like such a little wimp, you know, what do you guys suggest here? I keep going

to these fellas keep sort of beating my ass every time. This person goes, this is why I don't mosh. Call me old. Call me a pussy. Whatever. Same reason you don't crush guys in beer league. I got work in the morning and dental care is fucking expensive. Oh, yeah, that that is a true thing in beer league. So we did beer league softball. That's the thing is, oh, oh, like, yeah, like beer league softball. It's like you're yeah, you you don't like go slide in super hard at second base,

like try to take them out and break up a double play To win a game because yeah the guy it's just for fun and the guys got a fucking wake up and go to work or whatever You know, here's the here's our centrist opinion Bro, it's okay part of the ecosystem of hardcore shows is all the people too afraid to get in the pit and all the people in the Pit who think they're pussies. Nobody's wrong in either role. They It's it's a both-side situation There's the guy punching the stranger and then there's a stranger who is fucking being punched

Don't forget that they're also being punched in this situation. I will say this This is a different type of hardcore. Obviously the shows that I've been to so like people don't do this yeah, because I that would just be a crazy thing to do but Hardcore like this seems fucking miserable I know you just have it's like a bunch of people like stimming but like aggressively We're like punching the it's literally it looks like like when you know how sometimes like it'll be you'll see some fucked up Viral video that like I like a right-wing

Twitter account will post be like yeah like this fucking autistic kid goes crazy and wails on his teacher or whatever They all look like that like a 16 year old autistic kid going crazy and wailing at his teacher, but there's no teacher There's no way they're just punching the air If I saw a guy punching the air like if I took a hardcore dancing on the street, I'd be like, oh he's tweaking He's a yeah, yeah, like across the street and baby go down another street And if I'm standing near him and he punches me like guess what drawing and firing? Because that is not like are you out of your fucking mind? What if I just want to watch like whatever these bands are called like go goth?

Oh, but like I don't think you know like I I don't this shit sucks This seems miserable and all these people think that they're in some weird like culture Well the weird part about that I got to get to the other part of this guy's comment because he does say both sides Are okay, then he goes That's how you get cool Storylines like someone being too scared until they finally come up with the courage to go in there along with the monsters you have to Face the reality that they must retire from pitting. So there's some good stories Well think about he's thinking about like a major motion picture type situation

Yeah, I like oh now you're finally in the fucking Slayer pad like and what are you learning in there that you're just also stupid That's the conclusion your story Punching in the air videos. I just saw one recently. They really do look so stupid. They look so stupid. They look so stupid. I posted one on Twitter yesterday of a guy walking on his hands and just getting kicked.

See, I'm just like- Why are you walking on your hand? We used to do circle pits, I guess, at shows. Although. Hey, Brian, why is he being kicked? You're blaming the wrong person there. Sorry, praise. He's walking on his hand.

No, no, no, no. And like those were kind of, I mean, they're very sort of silly looking. But like, you know, people kind of pushing each other and punching each other. But like, I would never do that now. But it's just like, it's, it's, this seems just like, you're going there to get beat up, and they're all guys in like these fitted caps, and like, they all look like if you gave Brian, like,

a huge amount of testosterone replacement therapy and human growth hormone. And then just were like, and you're gonna listen to like the word like the longest six-minute breakdown of Like chat GPT ass generated like sad poetry there Of like some fucking guys called like avenge the day and I've talked about this brace But I met a hardcore guy in like 1996 Mm-hmm, because there were none where I grew up. It was all rap, metal, or country. That was like it. That's all anybody listed.

And I only liked the second two of those. Yeah. So I meet this guy at this Pantera concert we're at. We go see Pantera. And that's a different kind of crowd than like Korn or Deftones or something. Although Deftones were at that show. But it's a different kind of crowd.

The Pantera crowd does trend more hardcore, but they're still too metal to be considered a hardcore band. And in between the bands all night, we stood there and asked them questions like he is a fucking alien. We were like, so you don't eat any meat and you don't do any drugs.

Oh yeah, he was like one of those guys. And you don't, yeah, we got a few of those coming up. Don't worry. I got a thing or two to say about straight edge I hope so this guy goes i've met i've found most of those who crowd kill will fold when confronted Unless they got a crew to back them up seems to be an activity that attracts the cowardly Oh shit, so this guy's like he's not in the mosh pit, but he's fucking tough enough to be in there He's basically saying you know this guy too. He goes This guy just says punch and kick back I usually stay on the edge and love the crowd kill interaction some folks take it too far

And they usually get the hint when getting punched back, so this guy is like I just punch each other I wear glass. I wear glasses like if you punch me my night in the face without me expecting it my night is over Like you can't see anything. Yeah, hey, please just fucking punch back, dude like I Carry a piece with me. I'm like if you punch me in the show. I'm gonna draw a gun on you. I wear a knife Like literally anything. Yeah Don't punch me. I'm like, I'm a normal guy.

You punch me. Guess what? I'm going to kill myself in front of you. Put that gun right to my fucking, my fucking temple and say, I just love, you know, saving Sunday or whatever fucking man was saying. Hardcore fucking move. Yeah. Wait, wait for the breakdown. Wait for him to say, wait for him to say this is for the youth or whatever. And then I'm popping my pimple for the last time.

All over you, all over your fucking like eight color screen printed t-shirt bitch. Here's another interaction I like. Put your hands up and watch out. Nothing you can really do. If you go to shows you're inevitably going to get knocked out or rocked. It sucks, but part of the fun for me Put your hands up and watch out. Nothing you can really do. If you go to shows, you're inevitably gonna get knocked out or rocked. It sucks, but part of the fun for me is trying to avoid getting hit.

Oh, oh, is that so? Yeah, what getting a concussion is often bad, but it's really fun not to get one. It's true. Sorry, sorry, repeat that, because I sort of, I became so incensed that I like yelled out what you said. put your hands up and watch out nothing? You really can't do if you go to shows you're inevitably gonna get knocked out or rocked it sucks

But part of the fun for me is now trying to avoid getting hit. This is like a yeah, that's kind of a cool way It's like a video game kind of though. Do you know what I mean? We have to avoid damage Well, then a guy replies and goes, I've been going to shows for 18 years and haven't gotten knocked out yet. I guess my time is coming. And that guy replies and goes, lucky man, I took a nasty kick to the face

during Shattered Realm last year and had me out cold. All will suffer, Bell dinged and I woke up in my buddy's arms a minute later. All these bands are called like Game of Thrones Yeah, they are getting like shattered realm Shattered realm shattered realm is the worst band one of the worst band names I've ever heard I I have to say he goes it was a fest and it was the very end of the night after I've been moshing all day So that probably contributed still the only time of my life. I've been knocked out. So

It's good. This guy goes, I was at a show in a real small VFW and some fuck nut kept bringing it back to me. I would just shove them back into the pit that pissed them off. Kept coming back harder. So I matched the energy and the singer from the headliner broke it up. Not on stage. He was in a crowd like the rest of us.

I think the dude's car ended up getting hit because he parked like a fuck wit at night, too Anyways, it's just be near the edge of the pit You should definitely be keeping at least 50% of your attention on that and your arms ready to block Yeah, I agree with that. I I agree that you should be I what I can pan I'm sorry Like we used to beat the shit out of people at shows and frankly used to get the shit beat out of us at shows But like those were not like in the pit like those were like because of whatever stupid confrontations

that you get in as a kid um i this does seem like a lifestyle that i think that the government should crack down on like i think that like i think your band i mean it kind of does if your band is called like against the against the cloudy sky or whatever like I think that agents of the new maybe a new government law enforcement agency should come and and Both crowd you with a lot of agents and then kill you with their service rifles It's funny you bring that up because so every hardcore show should be Waco Where they lock the doors and then just send in the tanks and oh, there's a fire.

It's funny because now I'm gonna go to some Ticketmaster reviews because we love to do that on episodes about music. This is where people review things on Ticketmaster. What? Yeah, you didn't know that? If you buy a ticket on Ticketmaster, you get an email afterwards

and then you are able to review the concert. It's weird and the biggest psychos in the world are the ones who do it. Yeah, weird people don't do it and utilize it because you are entitled to that review on Ticketmaster. Knocked Loose is a band that's pretty big now. Oh yeah, they're big. Yeah, they're huge. You can't find like, there's no Fugazi reviews on there because they don't work with Ticket. You know, there's there's one Chrome ads review. I do know that this guy goes best hardcore band ever. Had about 30. This is crazy to me. Had about 30 of my coworkers and best friends here to enjoy seeing knocked loose

in a farewell party for my last week at my employer. Had an absolute blast. About 80 percent of my 30 people party have no idea about metal or hardcore and they all absolutely loved it. I am guessing they didn't all absolutely love it. What are you going to be like, actually dude that sucked. I'll say this. I like, I hate going to like large concerts where I'm not familiar with the band. Like, I don't like that because I don't want to. I don't like discovering new things.

I'm 35 years old. I encountered a new thing probably every 10 minutes when I was a baby. Everything was new and I've reached my limit and I know I'm not going to discover a hidden gem and sometimes I do, but I don't want to. I don't want to and more often I discover a turd and you just want to listen to something. But you don't want to like back then I would go home at night and put a CD in and listen to it and just kind of stare

at the wall. Yeah. You know what I mean? I listen to records, but this is Brian. This is why I like heroin so much, because you can take a shot and then just put on television or whatever. And you're like, I actually I'll tell you one of my great memories in my life was popping six Percocets and listening to the Mars Volta

D Laust in the Commatorium on vinyl in my house alone. And and it was like this is the best feeling i've ever had It's a good feeling I don't read birth of your child. Yeah. Well, it was better than brian wasn't there for that brian wasn't there for that He was at like a while. I was with he's trying to get pills. He was trying to get trying to get pills I kept going outside. He was trying to get pills at a sex party. And so like outside He was trying to get pills at a sex party and so I know he was he's trying to get pills genuinely That's the story that he would drive up to the hospital and bring them to me at one point I went to the nurse and I was like my back kind of hurts. Mm-hmm. You guys take a look at that I was trying to try I was so fucking desperate brace. Yeah, this guy goes fun

This here's an old man at a knock to lose concert fun, but don't hurt yourself Go when expecting a rowdy crowd, but there's no need to overdo it One of the guitarists keep saying push the person next to you and barely anyone outside the main circle pit flinched No one wants to do that and no one should get carried away on a stretcher because of someone else. This is brace I Mean I will. I do. I don't like to be hurt.

Like, I don't. I don't either. I'm like, I think that it's funny because it's almost like cargo cult where they like imitate the like whatever, like in late 80s, kind of 90s, hardcore, like very aggressive thing. But they've just taken to this thing where like the violence is completely divorced from like reality or whatever Yeah, so it's just literally like a guitarist of some band called like I don't know like black phone jar jar being like I

Fucking punch the person next to you. What's wrong with you? You play like drum trigger ass fucking chugging chugging music puts the person next to you Why should I listen to anything you say? Orders unplug the guitar But I kind of have an issue I think like if I was in the band if I was in the band I would be so in I would love watching people go crazy my brother. I wasn't a bad. I was in like a Low lower no no I was in a lower medium popular hardcore band in my youth and

We did encourage violence in our shows that was just so I am a hypocrite here however I was 17 16 years old and I thought my thinking at the time was if I just give our like live sets a dangerous and bad reputation People will ignore the fact that we're not that good at playing music and it worked and it worked We did all kinds of shit. We put up at one point We put up an SS flag and an Israel flag behind. Yeah, like we were just like Anything to get negative attention and it worked. We had people snapping our records. We got our slashed. Oh, no, we got tires threatened to be slashed

We got shows canceled, but every time something happened to us We we acted like we were victims and got more popular however, however I was also 16 years old and only understood negative attention. And once I grew a little bit older, I realized that actually I don't like to be hurt. And people were hitting me all the time. And that wore on me. And it's interesting because once I once I realized that, like, that wasn't good, I I stopped getting punched.

Yeah. I mean, I don't mind getting punched really to tell you I mean I kind of my thing was I'm you got punched. Yeah, be honest. It sucks. It does suck man I've been punched in a while, but it's I guess it would be when I got injured at work I got punched and broke my wrist, but that way it's not a big deal. How did you get punched? I got punched and broke my wrist, but that way it's not a big deal. How did you get punched? So I was story. I thought I've told it on other stuff before, but yeah, I just, I was working at the cable company, I climbed to the top of the ladder and there were two guys

standing at the bottom of the ladder, like asking me questions the whole time and stuff that I went to the box on the side of the house, one of them punched me and they pulled a gun on me and I jumped out a flight of steps and I remember. Yeah. So this guy goes, uh, uh, this is a good one where they talk about contradictions. In the, uh, punk scene or in the hardcore scene. And I kind of liked some of the ones, uh, it goes, what are your favorite contradictions in hardcore?

First guy goes, get kids in the hardcore. Who fucking cares if you don't understand how they dress. This shit has always been for the youth and we got to support the next generation. Five minutes later, fucking pussy ass, tick tock kids with their clown makeup and hot topic bullshit. All these bands are no man. I went into hot topic. I actually, I'm not even joking because I was buying a belt for my live show. Brian, you saw the belt probably. It was a big shiny belt. But God, man, that shit, as a guy who's like a real legit old school kind of guy,

I've seen that Hot Topic bullshit. I was sick in there. We did. I will say we were very vigilant against posers when I was younger. Yeah, I like that. That's what a tourist That's what they call tourists now. Oh really? That's why I called Chris a tourist if you're a tourist if you're a guy that like isn't Like if you show up in the wrong shirt or like if you're just if you're complaining about crowd-killing That was a lot of what I saw but about crowd-killing was like only tourists complaining about crowd killing, that was a lot of what I saw about crowd killing, was like only tourists complain about crowd killing.

I would definitely complain about crowd killing. Actually, I just wouldn't be there. There would be no circumstances in which I was there. This guy goes, people who are vehemently anti-cop slash military but defending their favorite bootlicker old head makes me giggle. So true. I hate when people defend their favorite bootlicker old head. Who is that? It does make me giggle. I hate when people defend their favorite bootlicker

Make me giggle. I mean the better who's my favorite bootlicker? Who's a bootlicker old head? It's probably I'd look I can guarantee. It's probably one of the New York hardcore guys well Yeah, okay. I got it. I got it. I got to intervene on this real quick People who play loud aggressive music often do not have. Thoughts that are here. And I feel like on occasion, people mistake somebody who can play a riff for somebody who can think in a coherent way and express their thoughts in a manner which is understandable and amenable to a person who might not be able to play killer riffs but enjoys them. So looking to like any like especially older band for any like political advice, I say

this from from a lot of experience. These people are fucking idiots. And I'm friends with a lot of morons. I'm a moron myself. Don't look to like, don't look to like the singer of, I don't know, like, you know, Ron Reyes from fucking Black Flag for your political opinions. Like, read a book. I say that a lot too. Like, that is a thing that happened with, I think,

in the past like 10 or 15 years, cause there's like a lot of uh there's a lot of people who who you know are very like they know all the band's politics and they think that it's like they think that it's they don't the bands don't are just saying stuff yeah and like we just wrote lyrics that sounded cool like we didn't really like there wasn't like a message necessary, but there has been some big drama, which I can't talk about lately involving stuff like that and People do that with wrestlers too, though. Yeah, they'll be like, oh like little wrestlers and conservative wrestlers

There are but like not I mean, but the conservative wrestlers They're just like, you know, this guy's a Trump guy It's like he gets dropped on his head for a living like I don't know what you want him to be like like Chris Jericho Donated to Trump and people get very mad about that and I was like he's a moron. He's Chris Jericho. He's a wrestler But I said he's Chris Jericho. I know yeah, yeah Like what do you expect like yeah him to be like I stand with our like LGBTQ You know, it's like you expect the undertaker to be like you can't dismantle the master's house of the master's tools

Really it was I was really disappointed to find out That a guy who had donated to a lot of conservative candidates was Chris Benoit, you know Yeah, it's so disappointing to find I know it hurt Brian that Hulk you know endorsed Trump and yeah, I saw Hulk when I went to Madison Square Garden and I Know that I know that it was the longest experience my life It fucking sucked, but I know that you really like Hulk not necessarily because it was wrestling but because of like certain lifestyle decisions that he would know He does he's not first of all he's not in the lifestyle Different I certainly he's a ball neither am I he's a so I wouldn't know but he just fucked a guy's wife

He's a bull they call him a bull But he just fucked a guy's wife. He's a bull. They call him a bull How do you know that maybe he was a single guy, but I think that he was Divorce he's a bull. Yeah, he's a bull definitely in that situation because yeah, Bubba's wife at that point was a Registrar hot wife Yeah, I went to our straight edge and it says what are the things you personally abstain from that may or may not be generally? Edge, but they are for you I know the big three are illicit drugs cigarettes and booze or I've heard as much and that's how I apply it But I'm just curious as to what other add-ons are important to other people Brian if I may if I may interject here

Straight edge people I have the signing straight edge is one of the craziest things ever But me too straightedge people in the song Where it was defined by minor thread? He goes I don't drink I Don't smoke and I don't fuck yep, and I love that song by the way Really crazy to be singing that and by the way, I don't oh really crazy to be singing that yeah, and by the way I've heard he has a bruski every now and then I think he was rather regretful of what he created

I like he I I've heard so many interviews with him where he's like I made a song when I was 17 Like and it's to me like first of all every straight-ish person ignores the I don't fuck part But and unfortunately about to see some Horny it gets bad sometimes but the It's just like it's crazy to live your life By like rules decided upon by like 17 year old ass Ian McKay in a mind of threat song from 1982 It's like and like and then like 40 50 years later. You're like

No, thank you. I'll tell I don't I don't smoke puff bars. Are you familiar with the 17 year old Ian McKay? Yeah, no, I will not be having yeah I will I will not be getting this blowjob from you miss Stormy Daniels I will I will not be getting this blowjob from you miss stormy Daniels What Donald Trump would have said if you've been raised in the hardcore lifestyle now truck hardcore Trump is That's almost a Saturday night live. We love that well. He did hotline bling on there I mean that could be that could be honestly like a An opening sketch that they you know and he does the hotline from New York Yeah, well here. Yeah, he got this guy. This is so sad to me by the way he goes for me

No self-harm is something I follow as an edge thing Maybe it just gives me a reason not to I don't know but it's important to me I've heard sex is one for some people I know some people don't take any medication OTC or prescription that can affect you in a similar fashion drugs and booze and other swarov caffeine, too That's insane like well the caffeine thing I believe a lot of that comes from hardline which started in Salt Lake City Where they don't drink coffee and like like I I was when I was young

People always like yeah, it's all like city like straight-edge guys will beat you up if they see you smoking a cigarette and like I Is that is hardcore we didn't happen in Boston to I think so yeah We I was in a band with a straight-edge guy And we just who I just don't think he'd ever had a beer in his entire life We were also 15 which is another ridiculous part of straight edge because like okay your straight edge like It's like an ugly guy being like yeah, don't fuck like it cuz I don't want to Like you haven't even gotten to yeah

I mean really I mean we drank a lot when I was young but like it you're not legally allowed to do any of this and We but he wasn't like that into it He was just I think he just didn't want to drink but it was like I'm just gonna be straight edge But we made him we played shows we had we made him draw X's on his hands But he wasn't like that into it, he was just, I think he just didn't want to drink, but it was like, I'm just gonna be straight edge. But we made him, we played shows, we made him draw Xs on his hands and wear a hockey jersey because we thought it made him look more straight edge. And we called it, and his name on the first record, this guy's great, he's like, his name's Shaw, but he's like a, he's like a genius.

And I think he's getting his PhD or maybe already has he already has his PhD and I think slavery in early American history, but he's like Not in doing it it just in reading and writing about it, but they even give that PhD I don't know How you get a job? However, we did. Well, we didn't. I did. When I made the insert for our first seven inch at high school on the photocopier, I did put his name in there as Adolf Edge. That's interesting. Two stories about

the first first insert of a seven inch. Yeah. Yes. First insert of a seven inch. Mine's probably seven inches. Yeah. You're rocking a seven inch? Good ties, man. Because for the joke to work, I had to give you more length than you probably deserve.

Brother, I got a flexy. What does that mean Brace? Flexi is a record that's like a thin and like can wobble. Oh, yeah What kind of record they used to put in like not rare But they used to put them in like magazines and stuff and they're like really brittle and like well fuck up your needle I think of your record player It always sounded like it was fucking at my needle and like but they're like like paper thin records So you have a tiny little thin penis? I got a little thing little flopping in the wind man fuck up wherever you put it

They rent me out to airfield sometimes sick me up in a fucking like in a in a tower and my shit I just dangle my shit. It's like a windsock Because that's that's mostly for the foreskin because I have I have they call me windsock often I Have this this person goes Ian McKay minor thread who's who created the straight-edge movement and literally coined the term straight-edge Wrote in the song out of step don't smoke don't drink don't fuck I always thought sex was one of the three X's this guy replies to her. This is the quintessential Hardcore experience this guy replies to her. This is the quintessential hardcore experience. This guy replies to her and goes,

Holy shit, I love that you tried to give me a history lesson. Like I've never heard a minor threat or something. Please shut your stupid ass up. You have no idea what you're talking about. Three X's, LOL. Well, it's funny because I feel like minor threat was like the only, there was like a couple bands that started in New York after like in like 84 85 like Gorilla Biscuits

Or whatever wait. I don't mean I think they were straight edge. I actually don't even think they were but like Mind if that was like the only straight edge band for like several years and So all the rest of the bands that are straight edge don't sound like minor threat like sometimes bands will try to sound like them as like a retro way But like the like this next wave of straight edge bands were like kind of more like thrashier Crossover or like more. I mean straight edge hardcore became its own thing I like straight edge hardcore like from the mid 80s late 80s much more I don't like any new straight edge hardcore, but the whole thing. It's just ridiculous

Yeah, is minor threat like their thing is just ridiculous. Yeah. Is Minor Threat, like their music is really good? Or what? Yeah, they're just, they're like actually good musicians. So that's the whole thing probably is that they were like straight edge, and then they were really good. And so a lot of people liked them.

And so they really probably had a lot to do with. I kind of did. No, they 100% did. Yeah, they did. Yeah, but like also I think only Ian McKay was straight-edge Yeah, that's what I had heard and they live in the net what I believe is probably the nastiest punk house prop the discord I'll score it has him a boy was just there yesterday. Is it gross? Well, I know where I've actually have been there, but I didn't go inside. It wasn't gross. I mean, yeah

Look, it looks like a dump. Where's that? Where's that where's that it's like a fancy? It's a washing me see I see this guy goes or she replies and goes does the song not say this you don't mind Or threat therefore you know how the song goes calm down. What's all the angle anger for I'm straight edge for over 15 years While being straight edge doesn't solely revolve around sex it is is very much a big part of it. Guy replies and goes wrong. So. No, it, well, it is kind of wrong cause I feel like they don't practice that.

You know, there's a website, I don't know if it's still around, it's probably not, called howsyoureedge.com. And if somebody broke edge, like if they drank or they got like a, I guess a blow job or something, you put their name on there and like they were like branded with the Scarlet letter of having broken edge which no way still here. It's still here Yeah, yeah, yeah

You're telling me you can pull someone's edge card because you can definitely pull we learned to happily about pulling someone's man card There's a website to pull someone's man card So this is the can you share it with us, Brian? Adam Bender broke edge in 2021. Fuck. I don't know who that is. It's a long list of people that broke edge, to tell you the truth. I don't think they're famous people, right?

Wait a minute. Like, Bryce, are they famous, or are they just like any person? Oh, well some of these are like, oh no, these are about record rip-offs now. These are about people who like rip off People for selling oh Okay, good. So it's not it used to be edge. There used to be edge break people on here That's so good, dude. This is so funny

Wow wait Yeah, yeah, I mean I I haven't looked at this website in a long time, but it's crazy. It's the, there was like that ecosystem is so well, cause I was looking at rate your music today too. I was reading like some Cro-Mags reviews and, and I thought that was so like the guys were all like, kinda they all loved them. So there wasn't really anything funny to say one guy did get mad cause he said they were thugs. The person replies to wrong and goes, I've done research, written college essays, et cetera.

Sex is always brought up. I don't know if you just try to convince yourself otherwise for personal reasons. My intentions were not to start an argument at all. I'm sorry if I offended you anyway. And he goes, I'm super impressed with your college research, you fucking nerd. Oh shit.

So this person's running, this is a bruiser. He's a bruiser. This is a, cause he goes, she goes, no need to be angry. I don't know why you're so intent on fighting. Just saying, if I'm wrong, can you tell me how I'm wrong? You say I'm not right about this, this yet. Give me no evidence as to how. And he goes, I'm intent on fighting because you're fucking stupid. Why isn't my job to

be your goddamn fact checker? If I love that, that is the world's greatest thing to say. And he goes, if you're smart enough to understand why you're wrong, you wouldn't be wrong in the first place. Dip shit. Wow. This is nuts. That's the kind of guy he's in the pit. He's what's the thing we learned about the guy who's crowd-killing I I think that like a lot of the like floor punching started with straight-edge guys So they need something to like do with their hands Yeah, however my hands have a big old nice bruski in him a cigarette clutch But still holding the beer same hand other hand around a woman I am not married to because guess what I drank I smoke I fuck

I've been out because of smoking cigarettes. I would have been told I know I ever not even considered it I am technically straight-edged, but I fucking I'd vape and so But I know a big deal. It doesn't do anything doesn't do no oftentimes It made the people I know crazy, but guess what you can just not drink like a lot of people in society Yeah, you're fine like it's not making a lifestyle out of something You don't do oftentimes like they had to keep inventing stuff so like a lot of them became posse which is like a Like they had to keep inventing stuff. So like a lot of them became posi, which is like a Mentally ill kind of straight it well, yeah man. It is a PMA positive mental which I think is from bad brains

Who were ironically very not? And then a lot of people are like figuring out their life views from these lyrics from like from like morons Yeah, okay and views from these lyrics from like from like morons. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And then a lot of them, I will say, did get into Krishna during the 1990s. Yeah. Very into Hare Krishna. And there was a lot of hard Krishna been shelter, for example. But I do like Gandhi, right? I don't know, but probably I think people got really mad at me for saying

propaganda is a scar band that then that they suck on our show Because I only heard that one song ska sucks never was like they're really good They're really good. They have good lyrics and I listened to him like this is not good This is I checked it out. I was like, this is not this is not good That's Scott. I guess it was like a joke ska song about how bad sky is but I'm like this is Desmond Decker is better than this. Well, doing the, Brace, on a political show, a show where you talk about politics

and a lot of your audience is like leftist, saying propaganda sucks is gonna, I got yelled at for saying skanking pickles suck. They do suck. The thing is, a lot of people, but the problem is I've insulated myself since I was like 12 years old with people who basically like the same kind of music I do and I Much of my life and still is kind of surrounded by people who guess what have the same interest as me and the same taste As me obviously different in some ways, but

It is an echo chamber and guess what? But it is an echo chamber and guess what? It's echoing with the sound of good rock and roll. And a lot of these motherfuckers out there are like, hey, have you heard like against the saves the day? Or it's like, get out of here with that shit. People could not believe on our show that I've never heard Godspeed, you black emperor. Guess what? I've been a punk rocker since I was 12 years old. When would I have encountered that?

When would I have encountered that? You could check them out, Brace. They out brace the real you should fucking here commercial. Yeah Car I got a Kia there's nothing wrong with key well easy to steal I have that that's it That's a myth we discussed it. I had a Kia. I had a Kia Mm-hmm it got stolen Well started, that started here. That's anecdotal. That's anecdotal. I have never had. Well, guess what? I have a Kia. It's never been stolen. So there you go. It's a Columbus, Ohio thing because like if you look it up,

it started here. And if you go on next door where I live, yeah, it's all people worried about the Kia boys. All the boys I've, I have heard of the Kia boys, but only from live. Yeah. It's all people worried about the Kia boys. All the Kia boys. I have heard of the Kia boys, but only from Brian. Yeah, here's a very funny. I want to read this breathtakingly stupid post by a guy on our slash hardcore before we get out of here. It's all it's on the contradictions of hardcore and he goes any ban that is anti cop is just as lame as the whole tough guy acting hard thing Which is a lot of hardcore lol I get the idea behind no cops But any band that is anti something or preaches against something that lives in a society that usually

Benefits from the things they preach against is goofy to me Obviously a debate that's been going on. What is the real benefit? Some people definitely do benefit from the police, but not all people. No, no. And I, you know, we can do without it. He goes, I get it. Go ahead.

Go ahead. He goes, I get it. It's okay to have a stance on something and still exist. I mean, what can you do? The only way these bands could really practice what they preach is if they live in the forest off the grid Not abiding to any laws or whatever But still lol is definitely a fine line of finding entertainment in this stuff and then he goes I love the down votes Yeah, like he likes it you're not even getting to him at all by down votingoting it. I mean, it's like, I think that society would benefit

if police did go to these little crowd killing shows and just block the doors and one by one, everyone comes out, we're checking for warrants and guess what, you don't have one or writing a new one. Two years, four years, super max. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what about the people who are just out on the outskirts are you watching the the concert to see if there's any innocent people or they might be cycled in and out of that you might be you might have you might have gone crowd killed yourself or

crowd killed others and now you're taking five to like rest your muscles what about somebody who's a spouse has brought them or whatever i'm sorry But yeah, if you can't date a hardcore guy, unfortunately. Chris, if you're married to a woman and that woman shoots 500 people and you're standing next to her, I'm sorry, you're going to super max to. Yeah. I just think that. No, I wouldn't. No, I would. I would get off in my. You would. You would not get off because I would cut your penis off.

So you would never you would because that's if I would. I would shoot it off because people always like how could people how Come the cops don't shoot somebody in the leg or whatever. I'm shooting you in the penis. I'm taking it I'm shooting you right. You've seen it on Robocop. Oh, oh, yeah Penis that's not even how I get off Shoot his prostate What is a prostate? It's in your butt.

I know, but why? Watch us get yelled at for that. It's not actually in your butt. It's actually in the... Well, the doctor checked my prostate recently. Uh huh. Hey, hang on. I loved it. Weirdly enough, the doctor was just a guy at the bus stop. No, no, no. It was my lady doctor.

And I liked it. And and made me very happy. And I'm going to tell you why. Okay. Before you get all crazy and shit about, oh, Brian's getting off because his doctors ramming her finger up his ass. Okay. Yeah, it was. I feel like that's just because people are going to take it out

of context. People are going to take it out. What I liked was what you think they're going to take out of context. The fact that you that your female doctor put her finger into your asshole and you became like, I guess like aroused. No, I didn't become aroused or anything. And actually she said I was pretty strong back there because I was like kind of, you know, flexing because yeah, your finger in my ass, you know what I mean? So you were OK. So now it's an act where it's not she's not just participating in it now

because you're sort of flexing your anus on her fingers. Sort of. She can't get in there. I like rejecting it. You know what I mean? Like this is going to kill the Brian Quinn be out of context. Subreddit will. Yeah. But anyway, so the reason- You're trying to close it up and keep her out of there like a cat and mouse game? Like this is really-

No, no, no. She was like bend over the table and pull your pants down. You know what? And nurse walking by says pause. So she puts the lube on her fingers. What? Oh my goodness. Hey, God, I-

I can't wait till I'm 55 or however old Brian is. 45 and you could get it done now. You should be. They should check your prostate. I was peeing was just the hell for me. Right. If God gives that to you, you need to keep it. That's what I'm saying.

If God curses you, you got to keep it. So I'm sorry. It's if you, you gotta keep it. So I'm sorry. If he wants you to go, it's time to go. But my old doctor didn't do it ever. And so when this doctor did it, I was like, well, this doctor means business. That was what I liked about it.

How long did she spend in there? Yeah, how long did she spend? She just kind of fell around for a second and pulled it out, you know, it's a pull your pants Yeah, she recognized that you know, you know what he was finished. So you know what a term I heard yesterday I don't I feel strange saying this but a term I heard yesterday From another podcaster is something called painting Hmm. I haven't heard that one before and I'm quite a disgusting guy. So I'm in

Well, it is when you when two guys have I guess that could happen with a woman too But when two when anal sex occurs and the rod is released from the sphincter And often painted with dark earthy hues if you know what I mean, and I was wondering if your doctor Released her long spindly finger from your from your garbage disposal asshole. No, I'm clean down I'm so clean with no No, you did not because because I would say that I have a bad day. You didn't do right. You didn't do. I was going to have a bad day. But Brian, I think like I think guys who are in were like having

not in the lifestyle are like, oh, the alternative lifestyle of gay sex is what you're talking about. I'm not doing that. I'm saying it's normal. I'm saying that if your doctor is too afraid to put her finger up your ass then it's not a good doctor that's what i was worried about all those years i was like hey man you know and and and all this stuff and when i was 19 they checked my prostate a doctor did um so i knew it was a thing that happened hmm no and you're supposed to do it at that age but i'm not a dog was like the emergency high school doctor no i was in the emergency room because I felt like I couldn't pee But anyway, he did it and then for all those things that just to be clear though

You were saying before we sort of glossed over it, but you're saying peeing was a nightmare You're peeing so much that that's that's what made that and it just always feels like I had to pee, right? So I convinced myself I have prostate cancer Okay, it's not that's I'm gonna tell you this. That's not even a symptom of prostate cancer But I just figured and it was just like that guy checked it out and I when I was done. I was like, alright Well, I don't have prostate cancer. That's great But then for the several years after I'd be like I'm having trouble pissing to the doctor and she wouldn't do anything She went when it was oh you're having trouble pissing was just dribb she wouldn't do anything. When it was, oh, you're having trouble pissing. It was just dribbling out or what?

Somewhat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, I'm having a little bit of trouble pissing in my, in my like thirties. Doctor never said a fucking word. Are you making, would you make noises? No. Sometimes like you would like laboring kind of as it's dribbling out. Like, no, no. And so then the new doctor I have was like, well, we're going to have to check the prostate. And I was like, she means business. And she also made me get a

colonoscopy. So this doctor I believe has my best interests at heart. And that's why I thought it was a good thing that she checked my prostate. That's it. You know, because I'm trying to give, I'm trying to do wellness now. Can I take your prostate? Yeah. I mean, if you want, uh, I did a guy that loved the cops too, does reply to himself and go, I don't really follow politics or X hot topic enough to care or let that persuade me in any way or facts I can get behind and support the subject matter and positions band take, but I have my own beliefs, I don't need to latch onto someone else's ideas. So for me,

I know people will always say hardcore is inherently political, but for me, music is an outlet. So I don't really pay much attention to all that shit unless a band really does something wild and offense. So I will say, I think a lot of people's instinct that comes from extreme music are like, it is inherently political. It's blah blah blah blah Yeah, guess what? It's not it's rock and roll music and sometimes people who play that rock and roll music have good political opinions and express them in Their songs more often than not they're just writing like victims of a bomb raid or whatever and like they have like a vague sentiment like I just it's one of those things where I was younger I

probably would have thought differently about this but with with being a little older and seeing just like Knowing a lot more I guess it's like people are kind of just writing whatever, you know and like yeah, sometimes like there are like right-wing or like Nazi bands even and like sometimes there are like sincerely left-wing bands but like Hardcore I hate it when people are like punk is inherently, and then they'll describe this like list of liberal values. Like, no, I'm sorry, punk is about being annoying. Hardcore is about being annoying, then also beating the shit out of people in various ways. Because like, that's just what it is. Like, you're not, if you want to be political, it's go to the workers,

but you're in a counterculture. If you're trying to be like political communist or whatever a lot of these people are anarchists It's like you actually want to not be the counterculture you want to be the regular culture like you're not trying to be Rebellious you want to rebel until you win and it's normal and so like a lot of people are into punk The whole thing about punk is that like it's kind of like nasty and people but like no one even thinks that anymore No, you know, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it was, it was hard to find threads that didn't have somebody like sort of at times bringing up like blink one 82 or the offspring or something as being like inspired by like this music. And it's like, there's such a disconnect between what this is and what that was

that like, I don't know, like like like the offspring guy sells hot sauce and I truly can't imagine a hardcore band being like hey we sell hot sauce I can I can but I will say Travis Barker I think is like a guy who loves like really bad hardcore music. core music. Isn't he annoying? He's a drummer. He's a drummer. Yeah. I from listen, I not into this music at all, but I would say like from what I'm hearing, it just seems

like it's kind of a lifestyle you could get into if you're like just sort of like a dirty person who just wants to live kind of a dirty like biker like lifestyle, you know, there's that. So Chris, there's so many different kinds. So there's that. I used to hang out with a lot of Hesher's

there around this band, which is one of the best bands that existed in my lifetime called Annihilation Time, who lived in sort of notorious, I guess, punk house in Oakland, where I saw the grossest thing I've ever seen in my entire life, which I'll explain in a second. But like those guys were like bikers basically. And then there was like punk guys Like really like bullet belt mohawk kind of that was like

Adjacent to us, but not really what we were we were all kind of just normal but dirtier than normal Yeah, just dirtiness seems to be a big aspect of all of it though. Yeah, I heard it It's like a lack of cleanliness and sort of well, but we weren't like stinky crusties Like I always hated crusties even though Yeah, because there were a lot of those and they got their dog at the show and like get the fuck out of you Yeah, you're fucking dreadlocks and you're fucking you're like, but what are they called chaos pouches? Which is there they all have for some reason fanny packs But like made of leather with a stud on it and like that whole thing. I'm like, you're like dressing in a costume You know, yeah that that kind of thing would happen a lot outs like there there was a decent amount of those cross punks like hovering around

the street fight stuff, but like when I was like 1516 I wore like engineer boots You sort of blew like Levi's blue jeans and like a bandana and it's like a chain wrapped around my Like waist which I would use to beat people with I beat up the fuck out of this guy my high school with it and Like a like a punk band t-shirt and like a leather jacket So was it like I didn't like stink I took shower like almost rockabilly I was a rock and rolla. I was a rock and rolla. I was a rock and rolla, but I was not I was not rockabilly No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Garage Rock and like shoe gaze and stuff like that definitely. Shoe Gazi. Shoe Gazi.

I do not like shoe gaze that much to be honest, but that's because there's only like four shoe gaze bands from back in the day. They're good, but all the rest of the shit that tries to sound like it, it is watching apes at a typewriter, monkeys at a typewriter. But anyways, I'm not going to say which punk house ass it was but at a punk ass I went to once an individual There's a mice problem mouse problem. Hmm, and Those mice were killed which isn't fine

But then the mice were hung from many nooses at a long gallows that were constructed out of some material and It was an installation called mouse mouse a witch's jeez and That was did they take it down after like a day. It was not even a they situation It was one person it was like I think it actually caused like quite a scandal and a stir believe that and I think it was like I think it actually caused like quite a scandal and a stir. I believe that and I think it was not a There were some problems even unrelated to the

Obvious ones from I believe it doing the comic book mouse, but from the bad guy's side Jesus, but uh It was right though. All this stuff is more about being annoying There's nothing coherent about any of the fucking I say this is a guy who like I frequently go to like Like shows and stuff, and I'm still pretty I'm not pretty, but I'm like minorly involved in the punk scene. Thank you but like It's it's a lot of it is people play acting. Like when I was a teenager, we saw that Penelope Spherus movie, Suburbia, with Flea in it.

Oh yeah. I love that movie. We were like, we want to be those guys. We'll dress like those guys, we'll act like those guys, we're going to become those guys. And so there's about 300 kids tops, probably like 200 kids in the Bay Area who were basically basing themselves off of Penelope Spheeris movie from like 1984 and acted like that dressed like that played in bands that sounded like that And it was really fucking fun, but guess what? We were just part of a big part of that. I watched the Burberry again recently I'm like damn these guys are fucking annoying

These guys are like actually really fucking anti-social shit But like when you're young and like you really invest in this like you're you don't you're not like thinking You're just thinking of like I'm gonna rebel and so I'm gonna rebel and so I ended up doing a lot of stuff to like Just like I would war for instance. I remember I wore a dress we played at our drummers high school I think this is the show this happened at like one of my fans first shows We put our drummers high school and I wore a dress with a swastika on it My if you if you had pointed a high caliber pistol at me one of the big fucking desert Eagles right at my fucking face I'm looking through that thing like at the tunnel and I and you're like wire

What does this mean? I would not be able to give you an answer because the reality was I knew that both of these things discreetly would make people be like, what's up with this guy? And combined, it's like cigarettes and alcohol. They combine to make a new chemical in you. The dress and the swastika combined on my wiry, gangly 14-year-old body was so incensed any normal people there that it just made them mad and I thought that Energy was like that's that's what I was seeking

However, I was fucking stupid and 14 Yeah That was an attitude that I can definitely understand because I had I felt that not in that same exact way But that just sort of feeling of like wanting to do stuff like yes like wearing like ridiculous shit or whatever Just like just cuz like oh no Imagine if a fucking normal person saw this shit how much it would fucking freak them out You know and I didn't really have any real coherent thought behind it or anything like that Other than I just knew that like they were old and lame. Yeah, I was young and cool

You know yeah exactly and I and I was cool in some ways And I had a lot of fun but like the problem is like I Might my lifestyle was just based upon one of like fuck everybody and like in reality actually I love everybody yeah Race you're one of the nicest guy, but he really is one of the nicest guys I've ever met they call me brother I love he is the love brother. Yeah, he but yeah, we've hung out a bunch of times She's braces the most fun dude, but Brian hit it hit a dog when we were driving around Driving over a bag of laundry

Listen that is something people might actually because of my It is h2. He fucking he said he had a collar Maybe you're out. Thank you to call of duty 3 wrapped h2 and he fucking we were driving down. He's going He's drunk as hell. We're driving down the fucking tree. He sees this pooch run out And it was the smell of rubber and gristle and blood has I can smell it now It's funny you say that because people do get mad at me when pets come up So we try to never bring up dogs or cats on because he hates animals. I don't like It's like one of the only things where people sort of because you know, we talked about the most ridiculous shit

Opinions and things Brian is done, but that's one of the only things where people are like oh what the fuck yeah Yeah, the cat shooting thing is fucked up, too I didn't see the cat he shot the thing and it fell on the cat. Oh wait. I forgot that oh Yeah, oh you guys you're gonna. I'm gonna be in tons of trouble this one But you killed Pepe Lupe as well right? Well, that's because he's you know he's problematic well you started those rumors to smear reputation Started the rumors and just to be clear we're talking about the voice actor the voice no no I do hit him in the h2 also

actor the voice no no I H2 also We're on our way to the fight if you go to if you see Brian at a gas station filling up his fucking Call of Duty 3 Rap h2 you see you'll see above the gas tank a bunch of like scratches with lines through them and that's kills Killed a person in my life on he gets out driving on the highway thinks he's in that he's in the Quentin Tarantino Robert Roderick is Proof I did I'll say this because I got grief from my wife about it we were going to this thing and my daughter and her boyfriend were in the backseat and We were running late and this guy in front of me was driving like so slow in like the in

like speed limit I would imagine well he's driving very slow in my opinion and I didn't do anything I just was like I wish I had a gun in this car to wave at the guy oh you don't want to do that brother you don't want to do that I saw crazy viral video about that yeah well you got a gun you're gonna wave it you better be ready to use it cuz the gather guy might have here's what you do Here's what you do. You point the gun. Well, I don't want to say that but Got it a passenger and then you do that and you're like, huh? Yeah, I'm willing to do that to my loved ones Imagine what I'm willing to do to you

Brace his face faces he stopped himself there was Yeah, it's good that you got your license revoked Oh, yeah, I do have my license that is that's such a hardcore move that I've never thought of race that I will be using From now on no at your loved one or yourself, you know, like somebody confronts you and you just put the gun to your head Yeah, I don't even fucking value my own It's like one like a badass guy in the movie though like someone like that like the bad guys like a gun to the hostage His head and the guy just shoots the hostage and then shoots the bad guy. Yeah Yeah, exactly. They teach. I mean everybody from like whenever that movie has shoot the shoot the hostage

I think everybody believes that is like a Government rule. Yeah, I would speed and by the way it probably is I remember I like when like we'd like check the bodies of Isis guys Like they all had these little suicide vests on and I was like That's kind of a good idea like right as you're going out. You're just like Blow your ass away. Well a guy did it in our base and his ball. Well. I'm gonna say that but He ended up in a lot of different places I'm like that's a good ass thing to do like if you're wearing a suit like you're not doing a suicide bombing

You're just wearing the vest to get what you want Like if like I've never seen what's that movie with the priest who's going to blow himself up? You know what I'm talking about? I never saw it. It's like the Poultry Raider movie. First reform. First reform. I didn't see it, but I've seen images from it.

I've seen it. It's a really, really good movie. At the end of that movie, he should keep the suicide vest on, but then just go to McDonald's and be like like free hamburger or Yeah You can probably get like a week's worth of shit for that Give me the fucking PS 5 and the best buy is just like I don't want to deal with this take the PS 5 Because my other thing is if you're robbing someone always ask for kind of a low amount So they just give it to you without much fuss. That's smart. That actually is

Just give me give me a hundred and seventy five dollars, okay? So they just give it to you without much fuss. That's smart. That actually is. I get a ride in a bank. Just give me give me one hundred and seventy five dollars. OK, that's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they're like, we are. We have so much we can even like that. That's like they'll wane out at that point, whether it's worth the time to call the police and like deal with that the rest of the day or just like give this guy 175 and go. That's like that's just like a thing that they'll have is like a discrepancy

on the books or whatever. You know, yeah, like that's like you spilled coffee on a drawer. You know, they probably lose that amount of money on a day to day anyways or whatever. You know, yeah, you're good. All right, we're going to get out of here everybody before you guys get me in more trouble. Brace. Wait, I want to talk about I want to I want to I want to lecture about hardcore really quickly. Okay, go for it Yeah, hardcore music and I hate to say this hardcore music in its heyday was from 1975 to 1986 but I gotta tell you by 1986. It was getting a little rough. I Know that a lot of people who listen to this will probably disagree with me Unfortunately, I am objectively correct the book American hardcore, which is a great book And please kill me an American hardcore like the only punk books when I was younger. I love that book a lot

It's great. Have you read please kill me? I love please kill me I like better than that American Hardcore because like that is like the stuff like the death and stuff Yeah, like I love that. I'll tell you I Johansson from the hole in the New York dolls. Oh I met him in Scorsese say night nuts. Yes, Scorsese and I Was so because it was like David Johansson They made like you made like a concert movie and I've never met a guy like that before, you know It's like a guy. I'm like, I love your shit cuz I don't I don't just love the dolls I love his solo albums.

His two fucking solo. And he also did, It's Getting Hot, Hot, Hot as Buster Poindexter. And so he's there and he looks so fucking cool. And he's got this little mustache. And for some reason in his dotage, he talks like an old black guy. Like he doesn't have an old white guy voice.

He has like an old black guy voice. And I'm not trying to do a racist impression. That's just how it sounded. It's clearly cultivated. So I don't, but in a cool way, and I just like I met him And I sat down and I was like hey, and he was like hey, what's your name? But he was like so cool, and I shook his hand I rose I have nothing to say to him I am what am I gonna say you know this guy is so much cooler than me There is nothing I can say this guy that will prove this guy's life. And so, you know what I did I got up and left

Because I was like I'm gonna fuck anything I do is just gonna make his day worse Like there are guys that if I I met them I would probably I would I haven't I don't think met anybody that was like like a hero of mine. So, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, maybe because I know, you know, I think at some point you will meet Mr. Vance. J.D. Vance, J.D. Well, maybe.

I mean, I'm going to try to get him on the show. I think I mean, I mean, you hey, you joke. I had him on my show. I have a cell phone number. So I mean, we could you all like had him on my show. I have a self-number. So I mean we could you are like the white Amy Therese, bro That sounds yeah, but I got out of the politics game Yeah, I'm down with depressed me and I think it was

But maybe the perfect time after this election. So brace but but no, no, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish Let me finish I Understand that a lot of people like hardcore that's made after that. In fact, I would say most of the people who like hardcore, like hardcore that is not the hardcore that I'm talking about. Unfortunately, that is what hardcore music is. The rest of this shit is just weird metal emo music that I'm going to be honest with

you, I dislike more than I kind of dislike any other genre of music and not from like a territorial thing where like, actually the real hardcore is this I just think it's bad music. I think and their messages to Brace directly on this to the hardcore fan. Do not do it. I will not listen I am you're in my opinion contact him directly if you see him on the street confront him about it But remember he has concealed carry and he is not right to use it. I don't have concealed carry. I just do it because if they don't, that's gonna arrest you. That's actually braver to do it without concealed carry. It's kind of a pussy thing to get a concealed carry permit.

But but I'm just I'm just going to just that's just how it is. And also the record by the band Saigon, which I think we're from L.A., like kind of obscure early 80s hardcore band, I think is one of the best hardcore records ever made. Okay, a couple of the bands that you can listen to that are real hardcore, just a few of them. Well Saigon is fucking great. I mean I'm just going to do the easy ones. Chromags.

I do also love SSD, but I think people like Native Approach is big again, which is funny because they got back together because the guy was at the ah voice. So Native Approach I think is a good like one that people could probably get into because you know they're sort of nice sounding and I don't know. I don't want to name too many. I did I just go you got verbal abuse I thought they were really good although that guy is really scary to me now I thought they were really good. Although that guy is really scary to me now And I frankly frustrated stuff actually let me take that back as one of my favorite band is strange man. I love judge

Judge is a fantastic name for a straight edge. Oh, they're really Oh my god, they're really good bringing it down is a great album. I love Judge. I did save Annihilation Time on my phone because I read the description and it sounds like something I'd be very into. Really? Annihilation Time 2, their second album, changed my... I went on tour with them when I was like 16. They had to call my dad and get permission.

I went on tour with them in Municipal Waste when I was like 16. Oh, see, that's a band that a lot of people around Municipal waste is a big band too. They make Themselves sure and I have to and I have to I'm gonna make amends right now When I was younger, I really thought the guitarist in municipal waste did not like me And I think I was frankly probably correct and frankly, I think he was correct to not like me Frankly probably correct and frankly. I think he was correct to not like me When I was older when I was in my early 20s I was at a show like a fest that they were playing and I was peeing and I was like yeah

I really think that guy hates me like and I was like I was minorly talking shit because I felt Rejected and he emerges from the bathroom stall behind me He's like fuck you cuz he heard me. I wasn't talking major, but I was talking minor shit. I always felt guilty about that so I'm sorry I didn't mean that I didn't I thought you didn't like me, and you probably didn't and I was wrong Is it hard to pee with with your foreskin? No, cuz my mine is it sort of funnels because it narrows at the end And so it's almost like you know How they make those devices so women can pee on the street? No. Oh, well, they do you don't know that they do

Yeah, anyways my shit is naturally like that and not at Asian time, too I think is the it's not really a hardcore, but it's the greatest punk or punk adjacent record I think of the past 24 years. I've been checking out when we're done here, but great fantastic You know true and on and you know braces always around He's king of the punk king of the punks prince of the skins. That's that's brace and and we'll see you next week with fucking something I don't know. Bye